Is there hidden mmr in this game?
At the start I was dominating left and right, wining like 95% of my games. recently though it has been more like 60% win rate and it feels like my opponents are much better. Like the widow players actually unscope continuously and jumps around/change their positions when before they were more stationary.
I don't know what MMR is.
>>339036651
are you retarded or is this the first time you play a multiplayer game with dedicated servers?
of course there fucking is LMAO
everyone got better; you didnt
it's time to give up
you're old, worn out
the new blood is coming into their own.
>>339036701
This game is just for you buddy.
>>339036701
minstrel man raving
>>339036710
I thought ranked wasn't implemented yet though? Is it based on win rate and loss rate? Didn't blizzard hate that model and that's why they scrapped it?
>>339036748
explain further in detail exactly why this is for me and exactly what MMR is.
>>339036823
Same shit. In quick play it's just hidden, but the matchmaking mechanics are exactly the same.
>>339036701
Match Making Rank or some shit like that. Just guessing
>>339036823
i mean all of your questions could be answered by you doing one google search yourself.
but if you think that there's no system in place to effectively separate people based on performance in games even in casual non competitive quick matches similar to in games like Dota, League and CSGO and multiple other competitive oriented multiplayer games, then honestly youre just a fucking idiot and you must've started playing videogames a year ago
>>339036995
I think it should be based on damage/healing and elimination/death. It feels like I am getting matches against fps pros just because at the start I had a high win rate. I suck at this game honestly.
>>339037338
ok im gonna stop shitting on you and explain a bit
MMR didnt reset from the beta to prevent a lot of early newcomers being alienated from the game, so if you've played those youre probably effectively a moderate number of MMR points ahead of them.
A matchmakers job is to create a match where both teams have a 50% chance to win. Now unfortunately this is pretty much NEVER the case nowadays due to various reasons. I've played DotA 2 for about 5 years now and when the game came out eventually as you got really good the matchmaker was designed to pair high mmr players against other high mmr players, this led to extremely long queues and the same stacks over and over again, but ultimately guaranteed you quality over quantity.
Now with current day DotA and Overwatch you have the quantity approach where you yourself may have high mmr, lets say an arbitrary 5000, but the matchmaker can only make a game in the 4000-4750 range or something of the sort. What the matchmaker will do is, because of your high rating it'll find someone that's 3750 rating to balance out the game. This is probably what's happening in a lot of your games, due to your recent surge of wins you're being given people with considerably less mmr than you.
The queue should have an option to pick detailed search and quick search, but that involves the server handling multiple algorithms and if Valve couldn't do it then I'm pretty sure Blizzard aren't going to put in the effort. (The same probably applies for CSGO but unfortunately I don't play that enough to say.)
Basically this isn't going to change, for now its going to be hectic but a year down the line it'll be the abysmal faggot shit that is Dota2 matchmaking where if you win 5 games in a row oh fucking boy enjoy the peruvians and other shitskin subhumans for 10 games in a row.
>>339038038
I didn't pay the closed or open beta, man. I got this game because a lot of my friends also bought it.
>>339038202
if youre playing in a group with them and they played the beta youre basically gaining twice or three times more MMR per win, so you reach their point quicker.
even if thats not the case the more you win the quicker its going to scramble to find shittier people to fill up the empty spots in your team.
the game can only be truly enjoyed when played with 5 friends
>>339038038
>a year down the line
competitive mode s coming in June
>>339038038
>Now with current day DotA and Overwatch you have the quantity approach where you yourself may have high mmr, lets say an arbitrary 5000, but the matchmaker can only make a game in the 4000-4750 range or something of the sort. What the matchmaker will do is, because of your high rating it'll find someone that's 3750 rating to balance out the game. This is probably what's happening in a lot of your games, due to your recent surge of wins you're being given people with considerably less mmr than you.
This will only be a problem if you're literally in the top ~300 players of your region, which nobody here is
>abysmal faggot shit that is Dota2 matchmaking where if you win 5 games in a row oh fucking boy enjoy the peruvians and other shitskin subhumans for 10 games in a row.
oh it's another conspiracy shitter forced 50 babby get the fuck out
>>339036651
>Is there hidden mmr in this game?
In Hearthstone I have less than 300 games and I constantly play against gold players. Blizzard can't balance games for shit.
Are they gonna make a proper bot mode?
The current one is garbage and my shitty internet makes playing against humans impossible
>>339038579
Hearthstone is p2w though There is no way you can reach below rank 10 with only basic cards.
>>339038450
theres still hidden MMR, theres tons of threads in the dota 2 reddit that explain hidden mmr in great technical detail
>>339038481
>This will only be a problem if you're literally in the top ~300 players of your region, which nobody here is
wow nice so how many thousands of hours into a competitive game do you have and for how many years have you played it
because youre fucking objectively wrong and if you dare post this dumbshit opinion on NAdota you'd get your dumb ass banned. also its entirely based on how the matchmaker server handles the matchmaking - quantity over quality/short queues with worse results or longer queues with better results
>oh it's another conspiracy shitter forced 50 babby get the fuck out
hurrr i understand nothing about matchmaker algorithms let me just call you a conspiracy theorist even though theres countless data, technical summaries and statistics made over the course of thousands of matches XDDDD
>>339038647
I know. That's why I never took the game seriously. Waste of time and money (If anyone bothered to pay)
>>339038627
Why did you buy an online multiplayer game if your internet is shit?
>MMR
>not ELO
disgusting
What the fuck is wrong with you?
It matches by character level.
>>339038783
To play it
>>339038627
Is it wifi? If it is then you gotta play at the time when no one else is using the Internet.
>>339036651
There is but Blizzard are dipshits so who knows how well implemented it is.
They used SC2 matchmaking for HotS thinking that a 1v1 matchmaking system could work out just fine when applied to 5v5 matchups. They then took months to even acknowledge how retarded they are.
>>339038697
>NAdota
lol
I've played dota 2 for nearly 5000 hours, I hover around 5.8 - 6.2k depending on the month. You find average mmr games where you aren't out of the norm as long ss you stay under 6k, the problem arises once you start going over you'll find 5k average games where your team is 4.7k and you're 6k
Your forced 50 retarded theories are shitters (such as yourself) coming up with any kind of excuse possible to make sure they can blame something other than themselves. You fail to realize that the same peruvian who feed and call GG at 5 minute mark dominate in other game, consistency is hard in dota and even pro players are bad at it let alone pubbers
keep being delusional though I'm sure you deserve a higher rating than you have, it's just a coincidence every actually good player always gets to good ratings :^)
>>339039187
wow thats a nice profile you linked little fag, or do you unironically expect me to believe some fucking random ass shitter on /v/ is top 200 (inb4 youre some fucking european joke)
how about you also talk about the technical aspects of the matchmaker and even all the disclosures valve made http://blog.dota2.com/2013/12/matchmaking/ about how the matchmaking system works. or are you some kind of xd so randum haha :^)))) smiley face using european scumfuck that you can't get 2 neurons in your brain to work with each other to produce a coherent sentence
>>339039545
>muh NA
>europe
>europe
>europe
I see you're just a typical /v/ shitposter, nothing new under the sun
keep being shit at dota I'm sure you'll break 4k some day if you try really hard, even if the damned gaben agents are doing their best to keep you down
>>339039826
nice you didnt post your profile
good to know youre a lying little shitter who can't prove his worth
stay the fuck in your own place european scumfuck
>>339036651
>Is there a hidden MMR in this game
The simple answer is we don't know. Anecdotal evidence is worthless and the devs haven't said anything.
One would assume that the answer is no because people in quick play aren't sitting at 50% win rates and a ranked mode is going to be released soon.
>>339036651
Overshit is incredible bad that you bought a competitive game WITHOUT competitive rating/ranked matches
>>339038038
sauce? As far as I can tell devs have said absolutely dick about whether there's MMR in quick play, much less whether it reset after beta.
>>339036651
yes
it artificially enforces a 50/50 w/l ratio by putting you with shitters against competent teams when you win too much, and then puts you against those shitters and as a 5th wheel in premade teams of competent players when you lose too much.
literally every game with matchmaking does it, they just like to pretend their "algorithms" (LOL) are super complex.
>>339036832
It's a number, dimilar to Elo in chess.
You win a game -> MMR increases
You lose -> MMR decreases
This leads to relatively balanced matches.
>>339039887
>anime
and there's the icing on the cake
fyi I'm an American I'm just not a braindamaged little manchild shitstain like you. Don't you have some faggoty ERP shit to do somewhere? Maybe go to NAdota and whine about matchmaking while you suck dick every game because you don't even begin to understand how dota works?
>fw shit on other players with no remorses
>game ends always early
>get moved to """""""balanced matches"""""""
I have to pretend to be pathetic on a abyssal level to keep the game matches going without any interruptions.
>>339036731
I honestly believe this
>>339040178
>>339040167
>>339039059
>>339038697
>>339038389
>>339038038
>>339036995
>>339036934
>>339036710
Please link me to where devs confirmed there is MMR in non-ranked play
>>339040272
u mad?
>>339038923
what a fucking idiot.
>>339040340
it's not mmr though. all it does is check to see whether your win/loss is going over/under 50% and adjusts your next game based on that. especially if you win too many games in a row in the case of Overwatch. it doesn't care how many you lose in a row but if you win too many in a row it immediately finds the dumbest players it can and matches you with them, or finds a steamroll people have left to put you in.
>>339040178
>What does MMR mean?
>DUR MMR is MMR wtf u fagfag!?!?!?!?
>>339040340
>>339040509
blizzard uses mmr in sc2 and hearthstone unranked mode, why wouldn't they use it in overwatch too
>>339040509
I don't care about the logistics of it, I want confirmation from the devs that there's any kind of skill-based matchmaking outside of ranked. Google just provides a ton of threads where people argue about it with zero evidence.
>>339040663
>I want confirmation from the devs that there's any kind of skill-based matchmaking outside of ranked.
then no, the artificial 50% inflation is not skill based by any stretch of the imagination.
>>339038697
>>339039545
>>339039887
Look until you start showing up in tournaments then don't even speak, in fact don't even think that you are good or even remotely talented at video games. You are nothing, just another shit stain in the online community experiencing the game at the same level as everyone else.
>>339040631
That's a stupid argument. In fact it's less than that, it's a non-argument.
Show me the devs confirming MMR in non-ranked in Overwatch
>>339040178
So you mean ranking, which literally every game I have played has called it?
Explain what the fuck an MMR is you enormous faggot.
>>339040446
>buy game
>play it
>have fun
You're right, what was I thinking?
>>339040715
;)
>>339040778
>buy multiplayer game
>post on an anime image board about the game not having good bots
>get called a fucking retard for wasting your money
>kill yourself
do it
Hey, I'm sort of on the fence about buying this game with my mates, but there's one question I havent really been able to get a definitive answer to. Will Overwatch be releasing new maps and characters as PAID dlc, or will the things you need to actually play the game all be free and only skins and cosmetics be things you pay for?
>>339040734
you're retarded pham
>>339040714
>artificial 50% inflation
What the fuck are you talking about? My win ratio is 65%
>>339040846
yes!
>>339040835
I should have bought all those incredible singleplayer games this year
>>339040857
I can see dev confirmation of MMR in SC2, I can see confirmation of MMR in Hearthstone.
I see dick from the devs about Overwatch matchmaking.
You're assuming based on literally nothing, which makes you a moron.
>>339040778
>have fun
fucking buzzword using retard
>>339040778
I hope they never do
>>339040968
buy black desert online and rant on the forums for not having an offline mode you spastic subhuman pile of shit
>>339040982
You do realize the matchmaking server is just a bunch of mathematical algorithms....right?
>>339038627
How does it even work? It looks like you can set what characters the bots use but you can actually scroll down past the set handful
>>339041020
no
mmr is magic idiot
>>339041020
your life is just a bunch of mathematical algorithms
makes u think
Win too much and your account gets flagged for some losing and it matches you with the 20% win rate apes.
Happens in ALL matchmaking systems in any game. Get lucky enough to break through that wall and you successfully break the system and get to the top.
>>339041020
Yes, but the question is what variables those algorithms are incorporating. Since this is an FPS, and those require far more stable connections than RTS and babby's first RTS (ASSFAGGOTS), matchmaking should be prioritizing nearby servers and servers that are almost full. You know, like literally every FPS matchmaking system every fucking made.
You're the one asserting that there is a hidden skill number tied to your account when the devs have never said that.
>>339041074
woah... O_o
>>339041020
HOLY FUCK?
>>339041184
csgo uses mmr.......
>>339041184
Do they really have to confirm it for you to believe it? Everything competitive online with automatic pairing uses some for of MMR... I'd be more surprised they actually just paired random people.
>Select Quickplay Window
>The description: "Jump into a game against other players of your skill level"
Jesus Christ you guys...
>>339041654
THATS NOT A CONFIRMATION THAT ITS USING MMR FFS
>>339036651
>Is there hidden mmr in this game?
Yes
It's pretty obvious when you dominate your first dozen or so matches and suddenly get queued with people 10+ levels above you
>>339041694
Actually, yeah- it pretty much is.
>>339041184
>Since this is an FPS, and those require far more stable connections than RTS and babby's first RTS (ASSFAGGOTS),
wow you sure are walking into this completely unopinionated.
http://www.dotainternational.com/how-dota-2-mmr-works/
>Normal Dota 2 MMR: This MMR number is not visible on your profile, but it is stored in Dota 2 Database. Dota 2 uses this MMR when they are making your normal match. It is different for Solo Player matches, Party matches and Dota 2 Team matches.
http://www.dotainternational.com/calibration-mmr-dota-2-detailed-guide/
And how are you going to explain people being able to check their mmr with some obscure console command prior to getting calibrated in dota a few years ago?
You're so painfully fucking ignorant its embarrassing.
>>339041694
Blizzard has stated they have hidden MMR use google.
>>339041654
>"of your skill level"
can also mean "Of your level" because it won't match you with lvl's 1 if you are 20...
>>339041812
>use google
that's not an argument
>>339041895
yes it is gaytard
>>339041314
In ranked
>>339041552
>Do they really have to confirm it for you to believe it?
There has to be some evidence and right now I'm not seeing any. The best people have is "uhh but my win rate is 50%" which is completely anecdotal.
>>339041808
I never said Dota didn't have MMR you retard
>>339041812
Google gives me reddit and blizz forum threads with no dev posts.
>>339041654
>of your skill level
That could just mean your level or time played. Give me any reason at all to believe there is MMR in unranked.
>>339040548
match making rank
>>339042036
>Give me any reason at all to believe there is MMR in unranked.
The game will queue with people of much higher levels if you don>'t suck
>>339042135
Or maybe those players happened to be on a nearby server that needed a slot
In fact that's far more likely to be the case.
If we're going to be total retards about this and use anecdotal evidence my win rate is 70% and every server I go to has a sub-60 ping, how does that jive with the idea of MMR as opposed to networking-based matchmaking?
>>339042250
>In fact that's far more likely to be the case.
Not if it happens consistently and you can see a clear difference in skill levels and setup when compared to the beginner pool
>>339042036
>I never said Dota didn't have MMR you retard
you cheeky little lying nigger
>You're the one asserting that there is a hidden skill number tied to your account when the devs have never said that.
You're trying to imply Blizzard won't do something Valve did as well. And hundreds of other competitive game developers who run their own dedicated servers.
You're the pissy little bitch going like "OMG Blizzard haven't released a FULL detailed explanation on how their MMR works O M G!!!!" when even Valve took fucking years to release their little snippet of information. Or what I guess you were one of the people who said the same thing about DotA 4 years ago and when Valve released that article you faded into obscurity and have now emerged to shit up threads with your dumbshit little ignore reality tumor ridden brain
Stop trying to save face it's already embarrassing enough.
>>339042250
>If we're going to be total retards about this and use anecdotal evidence my win rate is 70% and every server I go to has a sub-60 ping, how does that jive with the idea of MMR as opposed to networking-based matchmaking?
Why not both, the game has enough players
![cool-story-bro-500x499[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2N3UBrX.jpg "cool-story-bro-500x499[1].jpg")
>>339042412
>I have no confirmation that Overwatch uses MMR in unranked and I misread your post so here's a bunch of projection
It matches you based on your level, how does no one understand that.
You can't join random matches and switch teams like in TF2 for example. Your win loss ratio will always be at 50% because it's fair for everyone who plays solo . You should play in a full party if you don't like that.
>>339042756
Because it doesn't in many cases
>>339042375
You do realize that commends effect matchmaking, right?
Players that commend you are more likely to be matched into the same server and vice-versa. That is something demonstrable and confirmed, unlike the assertion of MMR, and would easily explain this behavior.
>>339042849
>and would easily explain this behavior.
Except there's only 4 commendable players out of the 12 participating in the match
>>339042705
get blown out kid
I JUST NEEDED TO TELL SOMEONE
YOU CAN KILL PEOPLE BY SUMMONING YOUR MECH WITH THEM IN FRONT OF YOU
IT COUNTS AS THEM SUICIDING BUT IT CAN BE DONE
FUCKING AWESOME
>>339042932
And if you're doing well you'll be one of them, and over time many people will commend you.
Or you'll commend someone high level, and the matchmaking will place you with them, and then you get commended or commend more high-level players, and so on.
This is a more than adequate explanation for why someone would be playing higher-level players consistently. Further, the fact that you're all saying you keep playing the same high-skill players instead of a constant stream of new ones further supports the idea that this behavior is caused by commends and not a hidden MMR.
>>339043156
It's only 50 damage
>>339043185
>And if you're doing well you'll be one of them
You'll also win a lot of games, which means that you rise in ranking
Commends are usually for rather arbitrary things, like 'time frozen' for Meis which can be a complete shit way to spend your time when you do it instead of furthering your objective.
The clearest way to figure out the skill level of a player is looking at how well he does in general, aka how many games he wins
It's why dotoclones also don't use factors like 'damage dealt' to increase the rating of a player, because a metric like that can't ever consider all the little things a player can do to increase his chances of winning. A Mei blocking out a bunch of the enemy team with her wall won't have any measurable metric, but will still be more game-deciding than plain damage or freezing time in many cases
>>339043185
>Or you'll commend someone high level, and the matchmaking will place you with them
Furthermore, this also doesn't differentiate between a bad player commending and a good player commending, which makes it useless. The shittiest of shitters could always commend the 'best' player of every match and play in high-end ranking with your system
>>339043602
That's a fairly convincing argument as to why commends shouldn't be used for matchmaking, but we already know that they are.
It doesn't seem like anyone has any confirmation of unranked MMR or any convincing evidence.
>>339043829
>this also doesn't differentiate between a bad player commending and a good player commending, which makes it useless
What?
No, you must have misunderstood.
If a player commends you, that player is more likely to get matched with you. If you commend a player, you're more likely to get matched with that player.
>>339043890
>That's a fairly convincing argument as to why commends shouldn't be used for matchmaking, but we already know that they are.
Do we have a Blizzard post explicitly stating that they are? A quick google search provides nothing
>>339040509
Makes sense, I was winning games like mad with my friend last night.
Then today I solo queued games for 2 hours because he wasn't in.
I didn't win a single match.
>Play Reinhart
>All 6 players on the other team smash down my shield
>5 of my teammates are just jerking off elsewhere
I think I absorbed 30k damage that match, a new record
>>339043994
>If a player commends you, that player is more likely to get matched with you. If you commend a player, you're more likely to get matched with that player.
Doesn't the game generally try to keep teams together, only splitting them up if too many people leave
New matchmaking rank would then only take effect after you've quit the team and started a new search
>>339040734
the quick play button says it will match you with players at your skill level
there MMR confirmed
>>339043156
>>339043332
I died to this as a Tracer the other day. Dva was spawning her mech and I blinked towards her to kill her before it landed. She ended up at 1% HP and I got crushed and died.
>>339044295
Oh hey look what's that number under your portrait oh hey it's your level
>>339042785
I solo queue a 65% win rate
>>339044612
>>339042785
My win rate is 70%
Your win rate is 50% because every single win and loss you've had has been on your team and not you. You're just a lump, filler, precisely mediocre enough to not be a wasted slot but not good enough to tip the team balance.
>>339044549
If the game only had to consider location and level you'd see a lot of games with virtually equal levels on everyone because there's so many players
That doesn't happen though, you can see rank 5s being ranked with 15s or similar gaps very often
What's the algorithm?
It's not just level because I already got matched to level 30 players as level 10
>>339044851
I bet it's exactly the same they use in HotS
>>339044851
Probably just a cookie cutter ranking system where you start at x value and get +-y after every win/loss, and the game then tries to balance out the average ratings of both teams, so if you have say a 200 ranked player queueing with a 100 ranked one, the rest of the players would be about 150 ranked
>>339039998
https://masteroverwatch.com/leaderboards/pc/us
>le forced 50/50 is a lie!!!!!!!
>level 25.
>every game as of late has been a loss.
>matched with people who are 10 and under.
>they refuse to work as a team, constantly picking all attackers while defending, defenders while attacking, no one wants to play support, no one wants to tank, no one wants to work together.
It's absolutely suffering. I spend almost every game I play on fire, capturing points, pushing payloads, switching to different classes, slaughtering enemy teams, but it's fucking hopeless; I'm always on team retard.
>>339045583
>https://masteroverwatch.com/leaderboards/pc/us
Yeah, the only page that supports 50/50 is the landing page, if you change any conditions or go to another page, or even just switch to look at PS4/Xbone, you see a ton of rates way lower and way higher than 50%
Thanks for proving me right with your own evidence
>>339046016
>lel people who played 3 matches aren't 50/50 i won!! :p :p :p
>its a 50% poster episode
loves you guys on dotes
>>339045608
I don't really care about winning in solo queue, I just fucking hate getting 5 gold medals while my team dicks around and then some faggot Mercy or Lucio shows up on commendations instead of me
>>339046016
can be influenced with premade
and since you get a 20% exp bonus, most people at the top are teaming and obviously you gonna see winrate variations. And farmbot.
>>339041830
>it won't match you with lvl's 1 if you are 20..
it will and it has
>>339046201
So everyone that isn't on 50% is because of premades, and everyone that is on 50% is because they only solo queue.
Sounds terribly convenient.
>>339036731
This hurts because it's true. Tfw 31 and not getting any better at new games
>>339040295
sure buddy, ive literally never met anyone from /v/ or /vg/ who is even remotely decent at any game that they play.
>>339046669
I know this feel all too well
>>339047502
ask about Beesa playing the carry in /d2g/ kiddo
>>339040509
Does it say this anywhere? Do the devs? I think you guys have just encountering what is known as 'random luck.'
>Try to get some practice in with the AI since I just started and so I could see how some characters work
>They made the AI bots do like half the normal damage of real players
This is a terrible way to introduce people to stuff. Wish they had harder training matches or robot settings.
>>339039545
Why do you assume everyone on here is bad? I've known people from /v/ chats in multiplayer games that later went on to become famous esports champions.
A bad team can drag you down immensely. It's incredibly hard to even get kills sometimes if the opposing team has decent teamwork but your people are running around everywhere acting like retards.
I thought it was common knowledge that quickplay uses skill based matachmaking?
It's pretty evident after your first 10 games or so if you're a half decent players. Your first 3 games will be complete stomps, couple games will be somewhat difficult, and then every game later will be very close.
I don't even know why they're adding competitive mode if quickplay is going to use skill based MM instead of connection based MM.
>>339049921
must've been a long, long time ago
back when /v/ played video games
catpcha 2017
