>Siding with Hoshido
>Not wanting to protect that smile
So whats the verdict on FE: Fates?
Garbage/10.
The only saving grace is Conquest's gameplay.
>>338948583
I'll tell you as soon as these neckbeards on gbatemp finish the uncensor patch.
I was playing the fan translated Jap version and it's great, but it bothers my autism that all the support conversations are still in Japanese so I stopped playing.
It's pretty good. Just finished Conquest.
>>338948583
I like it. Eugenics isn't really a thing anymore, reclassing isn't broken and they added a lot more to the weapon triangle.
>>338948583
Sorry, my hatred for Garon and his fag-enabling children outweighs my love for this precious cinnamon bun
Also this game is really good. Does /v/ still get triggered whenever it is mentioned?
>>338949495
>Does /v/ still get triggered whenever it is mentioned?
apparently >>338949130
>>338949440
Can I still choose sides no matter what game I get, so if I take conquest I can choose the other family, itll just be harder?
>>338949906
no, if you bought conquest you will go with Nohr.
Only if you have CE edition you can choose because everything is on one cart.
It's shit
>>338948927
Isn't gameplay the most important part though?
>>338949495
You do realize that Elise is one of his children, right?
>>338948583
great:
>conquest gameplay
>lunatic mode with no DLC
bad:
>beyond garbage story
>meh nip voice acting
>perfect example of how to not localize a video game
>characters not as developed as Awakening, light on personality
>DLC
It's the XCX to XC. I would never replay Awakening/XC, but it was more memorable. I would replay XCX/Conquest, for gameplay alone.
Censored/10
Conquest is good, Birthright and Revelation are bad
>>338950452
>Isn't gameplay the most important part though?
Modern Fire Emblem fans don't play the games for the gameplay, they play it for the waifus and the shitty dialogue.
>>338951145
Sounds like people who hate modern Fire Emblem don't play it for gameplay either, since all they ever do is bitch about waifus and shitty dialogue.
>>338951450
Gameplay is obviously important, but it's also a fucking RPG. Fates has a horrible story which really drags it down.
>>338951450
if every FE fan played for gameplay, Thracia would have been the most popular. FE 7 is garbage next to thracia, but it's muh first FE nostalgia
So old fags have shit taste as well.
Allowed to impregnate your 10 year old sister/10
>>338952195
I'd put her at at least 12-14.
>>338950924
Got tired after doing Conquest and Birthright so I skipped revelation and have no intention of going back.
But yeah, Conquest was pretty good. I read a lot of comments where everyone said Conquest was more challenging and had better gameplay but Birthright had a better story. I think that's all true except that Conquest's story was a lot better. The characters were all a bit more nuanced and the side characters were most certainly better.
>>338952776
I was in the minority of I like Conquest's story over Birthright and Revelations.
Most people were complaining about how muh actual Corrin will never act like what he did.
There is literially no reason to ever choose Hoshido
>ayyy we yo real family, lel just kidding no we ain't
>>338952050
>Thracia would have been the most popular.
Harder =/= Better. Thracia had some goddamn retarded mechanics like healing staves missing.
>>338952776
Birthright's story is only better because it's more straightforward and lacks as much of the stupid shit as Conquest, and also because Azura and Corrin don't go full retard. Conquest does have better characters and of course gameplay by far though.
But then I'm not too arsed over the story in these games. Dumb, yes, but not enough to completely lose my shit over. If anything it's just easy to take the piss out of, like a Nicolas Cage movie.
>>338951450
Playing the game and talking about the game on an imageboard are two very different things. No-one buys a game just so they can complain about it.
Conquest is good.
Birthright is a waste of time.
Revelations is meh.Pic related.
>>338949495
Meh, the only one of his children who deserve hate in that regard is Camilla, probably because they were so busy trying to make a sexy character that they forgot to develop her fully. Xander actually knew nice Garon for a while so he still harbors familial love, Leo flat out disobeys Garon at every chance he gets and is the only person with his shit together in the story, and Elise is self explanatory if you play Birthright. Camilla kinda just blindly follows orders and acts like a smug bitch for the entire game.
>>338954105
Camilla has more of a personality than any of the other female siblings though.
>>338952195
looks about 15 to me dude
>he fell for the FE14 meme
>>338954237
Nah, Elise has way more personality than her still. Hinoka is bland as hell and Sakura is just a moeblob, so saying she's better isn't saying much.
>>338954526
Elise is just as much of a moeblob as Sakura, if not even more of one. Only difference is that she's a genki instead of a shy miko. Camilla is the only one who has any sort of flaws and isn't just designed around being loveable.
>>338953227
Yeah this really got me. Choose the people you grew up with or literal strangers with no relation or real reason to be around you.Not even the Queen, since she's their stepmom and she took dragon dick to make you.The only reason to choose Hoshido is because their kingdom is in the right politically, but that shouldn't matter to someone like Kamui who is choosing based on family. Even then, Ryouma is so retarded that he doesn't know that Nohrians live in poverty and famine a lot of the time, just that they're the "bad" guys that Hoshido refuses to trade with.
>>338948583
Which cutscene is this from? I'm half way through conquest and I haven't seen it yet
>>338955060
Revelations, when Elise joins your party.
>>338952050
>Thracia isn't you favorite Fire Emblem
>>338955186
Geneology is the best FE actually. Thracia is just the hardest.
>>338952410
>>338954359
>damage control
>heirs of fate map 4
>shiro and siegbert refuse to work together because both accuse each other of killing their alternate universe fathers
>even though shigure just finishes explaining how anankos is the likely killer and suspect
Glad to see the plot is still retarded
>>338954237
>Camilla
>Personality
"I want to fuck Corrin" is not a personality.
You married best girl, right /v/?
>>338956607
By personality they mean big tits
>>338956384
Siegbert is ugly af lmao.
>>338956674
Of course I married Rinkah
>>338948583
>BLUH BLUH CENSORSHIP OH MY GOD THREE GAME SPLIT GOOD JOB JEWTENDO
There's /v/'s verdict.
M verdict is that it's a great pair of games (pretend Revelation doesn't exist because it's shit) for all fans of the series. Birthright is a much better starting point than Awakening and Conquest has some of the best gameplay since Thracia 776.
Good difficulty on all levels, gorgeous art, great characters with more personality than the ones in Awakening ever hoped to have, and the music is fucking godly.
The only people who hate it are either: waifufags for face petting being kill or nostalgia babies who are mad that new people want to try the series and actually have a chance at it instead of losing every single unit on the first map and then just giving up. Hell, I started with Awakening, then went right to the first, then Genealogy, Gaiden, and now I'm working on Conquest.
just do the third path then, everyone is happy
>>338954237
>camilla
>personality
Fucking Hinoka was designed only to opposite her and she ended up having more personality.
>>338957198
>Hinoka
>more personality
I'm not even a Camilla fan but this is bullshit. Zero plus zero is still zero.
>>338956384
>Choose your side; loyalty or blood!
>Jokes on you they're both non-canon!
>Now purchase the "canon ending" route at the same price!
>JOKES!
>ON!
>YOU!
>That was non canon as well! Now buy the extra canon ending!
>>338957460
Tomboy tsun warrior princess is better than just sexy killer with motherly love. Both have been done to death but at least Hinoka is better for the setting. Camilla looks like a medieval pin-up girl.
>>338950452
Gameplay is obviously the most important part, but the window-dressing can play an important role in your enjoyment of a game.
Good writing, graphics or music can make a terrible game seem mediocre.
Awful writing manages to actively hamper Conquest's great gameplay.
>>338957585
>tomboy tsun warrior princess
Yeah no. Hinoka is like a cardboard cutout, she has next to nothing in terms of personality. Camilla doesn't have much either but saying Hinoka has a character at all simply isn't true.
>>338957567
Actually revelation is the canon ending, the heirs of fates is basically an alternate universe or some crap.
But yeah, you still shill out like 80 bucks for a full game.
>>338957460
Camilla gets some nice development in her supports with the other Nohr siblings, and with some other characters like Niles.
I think you can sum up why people prefer the Nohrian siblings by comparing their supports with each other to the Hoshidan ones.
Leo/Elise gives us background on Nohr as a nation and what Garon used to be like, Camilla/Xander shows how the siblings come together as a family in their own little way. Takumi/Sakura is about two characters not wanting to attend parties and Hinoka/Ryoma is a lobster saying "man, did you know that you're a girl?" over and over again.
>>338957567
Don't forget THAT extra canon ending is no longer canon as another "joke" to make way for that Superfriends crossover miniroute between Awakening and Fates.
Oh and the kicker? You MUST have Awakening AND the Future Past DLC. So the actual """canon""" (until the next retcon anyway) route is $150.
>>338948583
Hoshidon't
>mediocre story
>shitty characters save a few
>bad maps
>easy as fuck
Nohrible
>awful story
>okay characters for the most part
>great maps
>pretty challenging
Please remain invisible kingdom
>bad story
>all characters, so it averages out to mediocre
>gimmicky maps
>middle term in challenge, units are horribly balanced
All in all, Nohr best
>>338957894
Not him, but heirs is indeed the canon ending. And boy does it shit on the 3 main games.Basically after you beat Anankos in the ending of Rev, one of his alternate universe selves learned from it. That self then proceeded to slaughter the realms of Birthright and Conquest across several universes before they could act against him, and proceeded to kidnap the children in the hopes of finding a Shigure who was the true reincarnation of the old king of Valla.TLDR:After the end, he comes back and murders everyone.
>>338956607
>>338957198
Camilla definitely has more to her than the others. That's not saying a lot mind but for the purpose of this it is something. Again, she's the only female sibling that has any sort of flaws rather than being lovable and endearing all of the time. She also shows the most personality traits out of them.
>>338958129
Yeah I actually like Camilla more than the Hoshidos but Elise and Leo were my favorites.
>>338948583
Conquest is Ophelia/10
>>338958412
those all sound terrible, being the best means nothing in that sense.
>>338958586
The problem is that her obsession with Corrin is treated as a funny/positive thing. It gets to Solas/Elise support levels of creepy at times.
The only one to rightly call her out on it is the army's gay asshole.
>>338949130
....uhm. anon. They did that like the day it released in the west. The version I have on my 3DS is the Japanese game with all the content intact with the full English script inserted. It's been around forever.
>>338959139
If you mind the story, sure
Nohr's gameplay more than makes up for it
>>338959249
Gameplay wasn't even the best though, older Fire emblem games had better gameplay.
>>338959148
Except she does in fact have reasoning for it that is explored. And really it's your opinion that it is 'creepy'. As far as Corrin seems to be concerned she's just overly attached, and considering that Corrin spent the largest portion of their lives with her it isn't like she's just some literal who.
>>338959357
>implying
The gameplay was at it's best with Fates
Not even Thracia compares
>>338959249
fire emblem never had good gameplay to start with
>>338948583
I WANT TOHATEFUCKTHAT SMILE
Conquest is the only one of the three to really show the new gameplay mechanics' potential, but even then, I feel like only half or 2/3 of it is even any good. It takes a couple chapters to finally get the fun ball rolling, but then somewhere around chapters 19-21 the game starts to divebomb into No Fun Allowed territory. That's not even going over the fantastically retarded story and writing.
I'd still say Conquest was worth buying though, I don't mind owning it. I just wish we could get a Fire Emblem experience that's actually enjoyable on an overall level instead of only picking one part of it, and even then only specific aspects of that one part are really good.
>>338956674
She's cute but she can do fuck all in battle. That doesn't fly with me
>>338960010
They just need a new staff on helm of the story.
>>338948583
FE is dead to me.
>>338960167
>he didn't give her an Exploding Shuriken
>>338960202
Then why are you here
>>338952410
>>338954359
In the Japanese version, Azura says she left Nohr before Elise was born. She left Nohr ten years before the game's beginning. Do the math.
>>338960290
To piss in your cornflakes with my negativity.
>>338949440
Sakura is cute! CUTE!
>>338960365
Just another plot hole in a game riddled with them
>>338960427
Okay
I hope that brought at least some joy
>>338960431
Staff~ Staff~~
>>338960480
It's not a plothole, it doesn't contradict anything else in the game. It just makes it way more fucked up.
>>338948583
I preffer red heads tbqh
WITCH BEST MAGICAL CLASS
BERSERK BEST PHYSICAL CLASS
MAID BEST FUCK YOU CLASS
>>338960953
>use berserker
>never hit anything
>>338961010
>use berserker
>critical everything like any other class
>40 base strength
The whole marriage thing really butchered the story in Fates. They had to end up making the Hoshido siblings unrelated to you just so that you marry and fuck them, so it voided the main reason why you joined them. It also meant that they had to add more time-travel/alternate world bullshit just so that they could explain child units in the game. Also the child mechanic thing doesn't really work well in Conquest when you can't grind for supports. I don't mind marriage and child units as a gameplay mechanic, but it ends up negatively affecting the story. And it's not exactly like the writing for the support conversations are good either (regardless of whether you play the Japanese or NoA version).
>>338960953
Ballistician best vehicle class
>>338960431
>all the other Hoshidan sisters are a shit
>Camilla has no personality outside of onee-chan who wants to get into your pants
Younger sisters confirmed best
>>338961143
>We sent the kids into a pocket dimension where they grew up faster
I gave Awakening a pass for its time travel but Gates excuse for child characters is retarded
>>338960953
>best class
>anything but Hero
It's been the most based class in practically every game since its inception
>>338961421
Which just brings the question: why not do it like in FE4?
I want to make a Guts avatar.
Should he be a berserker, hero, vanguard or something else?
>>338961735
>Guts
>With Corrin's beta-ass faggot personality
Don't
>>338961421
Even more fucked up because those are their actual kids rather than kids from an alternate timeline
In Fates they lost 99% of their time to be with their children during childhood
Even dumber corrin has a fortress in the deep realms that they choose not to use, even its a place they all go to constantly
>>338961735
Hero would be the closest but you can't really get a big two handed sword or anything
You'd be better off trying for Griffith desu
It's worse than Awakening, which was not very good.
>>338961940
I'll just skip the cutscenes and pretend he never speaks.
>>338948583
Was a pretty shitty experience and frankly the franchise going to mobile explains a lot. Conquest was passable but its not like good gameplay made Radiant Dawn top dog either.
>>338962375
JUSTICE PREVAILS!
>defeatanankos
>he somehowsurvives being turned into dust
>hecomes back and fucks your shit up
what the fuck
>>338962375
Hows arthur lategame in conquest? His personal skill seems kinda useless at the begining
>>338962209
awakening is the best game in the series, sales prove it
>>338962613
>>338962613
Sales are an indication of popularity, not quality.
>>338962375
"JUSTICE PREVAILS!"
>>338962821
sales mean the product is of high quality that people will pay for it
I started with Birthright but it just gets more and more tedious to clear wave after wave of reinforcesments. I'm up to Camillas chapter but I just can't force myself to finish the game right now.
Revelations is completly fucked balance-wise, and if you want to use someone that isn't a royal you will have to grind them up to a useable level.
Conquest is fun so far, but everyone sans Leo is completly retarded.
>>338962537
If he gets average stats he's pretty great
he and Effie make a pretty great combo
>>338962994
Wait untilthe second Camilla chapter. It's horrible.
>>338963083
that chapter was fun though
>All the opposing mages have decent stats, weak in DEF but has some decent RES to make up for it
>Opposing mages actually have MAG
>All your mages have ass for stats
Why?
>>338963083
I meant the Camilla chapter in the sewers where she just chills on the other end of the map and shits fireballs all over your entire army. Please tell that there is one that's even worse than that.
>>338960431
I want to give her a baby.
>>338963196
That's the one, I thought you meant the one where she isn't a total dick.
>>338959357
>>338961623
Too edgy for modern FE fans.
>>338952195
Are you for realises
Why is he such a passive aggressive dick?
>You would attack a defenseless priest like me who halved three of your unit's total HP for the rest of the map?
>So you're Corrin. Too bad you turned out to be a dirty Nohrian Savage
>Hoshido class is literally called Oni Savage
>>338963793
Because Azama is awesome and one of the only Hoshidos with a personality.
>>338948583
Conquest was the only route I liked, and even then it still had some tiresome stages.
The Nohr siblings were better than the Hoshidan siblings, IMO, but the characters in Fates overall are still a mixed bag.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'd even go so far as to say that Awakening actually had better characters. Maybe even a better plot too.
>>338948927
>>338962375
JUSTICE PREVAILS
>>338962537
Not bad, put him as a Beserker for crit hijinks
If you keep him close to his son you can negate that negative dodge modifier and thensome
>>338963980
It's not like any of the characters were particularly good.
>>338964157
That's because Awakening did have a better plot.
>>338948583
I almost felt bad for Xander whenhe killed Elise by accident
>>338964408
Not by much.
>>338964157
>Sprites never ever
what the FUCK
>>338955186
People don't get Thracia, so they make shit like pic related
>>338957823
It's funny because awakening had worse writing than conquest
Is she cute?
>>338964408
Yeah, which isn't saying much.
ISIS saw feedback on Awakening's plot and wanted to do better, so they hired an external writer. And they still fucked up!
I still feel like Fates reeks of wasted potential in terms of plot. You have this fantastic setting of being forced to chose between your "blood" family and your adoptive family, two regions where one is perfect land but the other is more akin to Mordor. I remember thinking that they were actually gonna make it gray area. Like Hoshidans were being brainwashed or something like that.
But no, Hoshido can do no wrong, and Nohr does everything wrong.
>>338964681
what's the objective of the map?
The story is atrociously bad, all over the place, and nonsensical, a lot more than any of the past games. Characters also vary in terms of quality. Gameplay is good though.
>>338964865
I liked the japanese voice better, made her look more like the klutz she is
>>338965005
It's a defend map.
Pic related is an example of an escape map in Thracia.
>>338963689
>>338952195
Guys I'm seriously asking:
Can you impregnate your sister in this game
>>338948583
>So whats the verdict on FE: Fates?
The game is a lot more fun, now that I skip literally every dialogue between the characters.
The person who wrote those lines should be shot.
>>338964543
That's because Xander is one of the few well written characters, even if it's a bit generic. He's torn by his loyalty for his country and his love for his siblings, and it shows whenever you see him in Hoshido. I actually felt bad when I picked Birthright for the mandatory playthrough.
>>338965258
She's not blood related.Neither are the Hoshidians, because being allowed to fuck everyone is more important than not breaking the very fundament of your games narrative
>>338965185
>defend map
holy shit
the escape map doesn't look hard, depends on how early in the game is
>>338965258
Anon, you're not thinking about dumping your seed inside this, are you?
>>338964336
Eh they vary. For instance the Nohr royals are generally better than the Hoshidans aside from maybe Takumi, but Hoshido still has a few nice characters like Saizo and Oboro.
>>338965406
totally agree, while on Nohr I felt bad forTakumi because I couldn't save him, after all he got edgy due to the curse
>>338965447
Yes, by her request. While hugging, kissing and holding hands.
>>338965780
I don't mind incest but keep that degenerate "handh*lding" thing in /d/
>>338965447
Of course not. That's what big sisters are for, not little ones. Although then again Sakura looks like she might be more developed than Hinoka.
>>338965432
It is to get all the houses, avoid the gigantic force of troops at the north which auto-advance after 4-5 turns, and then a super-boss who appears around 20-ish turns and every member must escape before Leif does.
Staff~ Staff~
Post bench warmers.
Playing Conquest and got the Mage that has the "I'm older than I look" cliche. Which is better, she or not-Owain?
>>338960431
that the fuck up! UP!
>Use time bubble bullshit as a way to not use the "time travel from the doomed alternate universe" shtick from Awakening
>End up using he "doomed alternate universe" shit anyway in an even worse way than Awakening did
What's the fucking point
>>338966809
Honestly they both kind of suck. I ended up using Nyx as a pair up for Leo to boost his magic.
>>338966806
I always hate to leave people behind, so I try to get everyone around the same level.
This is pathetic I know.
>>338966809
I'm inclined to say Owain because he can get you a map that has promoted units for that EXP and a free unit when he breeds.
>>338964936
>Conquest is advertised as you subverting the traditional EVIL ARMY of a Fire Emblem game from the inside
>oh cool so lots of tense situations, shifting alliances, potential for backstabbing and set-ups and having to fight enemies without and within, right?
>No your MC is literally retarded and everybody just carries King Evil to victory until he touches the plot device while General Genocide and Court Vizier Sadism murder innocents in front of you for kicks
Trying to make 3 games just gave us three average Emblems, imo. Even Conquest becomes a joyless slog near the end.
>>338965590
>tfw when you can't even hate Takumi
Don't know why everyone hates him besides his hard ass chapters. Despite his edginess towards you during Nohr route, he shows at multiple points that he just wanted his older brother/sister at his side. Maybe he has too much tsun for some people?
>>338950220
Actually, you can side with hoshido once you reach the branch of fate, you just have to pay the 20 bucks for birthright.
>>338966809
They're both shit, you should have Owain fuck someone and use his daughter instead.
>>338965447
No, but she is.
>>338966976
No, one of the reasons why I actually like Awakening is that it scratches that autism itch of seeing all my units be promoted level 20 max stats.I have fucking 100 hours in FE:A and I'm still trying to get every single convo.
>>338966806
Is she really bad or something? I'm using her and she seems alright so far.
>>338966954
>>338966986
>>338967169
Sounds good. I'll get Owain married and do whatever while doing that.
It' pretty stupid how similar the characters are to Awakening.
>>338967380
She's great if you reclass her into a spear fighter. Pegasus knights are just kinda shitty in this game.
>>338967090
I like the fact that he doesn't suck your dick when you wake up in Hoshido and both doesn't trust you and is mad at you immediatly after your sword went terrorist and killed your mother.
He also shows that he suffers from horrible middle child syndrome in his supports.
He's a dick, but a dick with a reason.
>>338966806
She's decent as a lancer.
>>338959201
where
>>338967380
She's decent if you reclass her to Spear Fighter. Even has better growths than Oboro as one.
>>338967448
Well, Odin is literally Owain.
>>338967448
They're literally the same people.
You can make odin talk to Lissa on the awakening map
>>338964915
They hired a manga writer, what did you expect.
Honestly pretty much all video games have either incredibly basic stories, generic cliche stories or stories that try too hard to be deep and end up being riddled with holes. This wasn't that much worse than most games.
>>338964816
Really? I thought the whole timelines thing, while nothing special, was pretty cool. Andyou being the big bad the entire time[spoiler/] was an interesting twist.
Fates on the other hand, is "No I don't want to kill anyone" and two different groups of 1-dimensional freaks lusting over your hot dragon dick.
Both are still shit compared to the older games though.
>>338967090
Takumi was actually a decent character up until the dream sequence. Then he showed up and said "I actually loved you all along, that's not actually me btw so feel free to kill me".
>>338967803
Awakening had a very generic story, "an ancient evil awakens" and "you were actually the bad guy all along" is an overdone trope. All the characters were also just as one-dimensional as the Fates characters. While Fates (at least Conquest) had the gameplay to back it up, Awakening didn't even have that.
Although I will say that having the child units come from a failed timeline is a better excuse than a magical land where time speeds up conveniently.
>>338968375
No he was himself until he jumped/fell off the wall.
>>338965406
>That's because Xander is one of the few well written characters
>>338967803
>you being the big bad the entire time was an interesting
If they didn't spoil you in the prologue maybe.
>>338961735
you better go with the vanguard class and not berserker
>>338968840
By Fates standards? He most certainly is.
>>338969187
That doesn't mean he's well written at all.
>>338968790
Quite early on in the game, he said that killing Corrin and the Nohr siblings would "make the pain go away". And just before he jumped off the wall, he was covered in some ghostly aura. There was obviously something wrong with him before then.
Although I was talking about how his character does a complete 180 during the dream sequence. He has a perfectly valid reason to hate you and the writers just threw it out the window. The fact that he was already dead by that point just turns him into a generic evil guy that you could beat. They could have left him out of the dream sequence and have him still technically alive, but possessed and basically on life support. Then when he dies, him thanking Corrin actually makes more sense. It would also be the only time that you actually are forced to kill a character in the Nohr route.
>>338969253
Yep. Xander is basically a really poorly written Camus archetype.
I wonder why the only games to copy FE is like X-Com/VC/etc. It doesn't seem to be something most devs bandwagon on despite the malleability.
The genre seems like it would benefit from modding heavily and custom map/unit/etc creation, kinda like how Starcraft/WC3's map editor worked yet no one wants to bother.
>>338966806I kinda like her english voice. It's cute in an odd way.
>>338969607
Now I want an FE/XCOM crossover. The alien would be the dragon, obviously.
>Modern Fire Emblem focuses too heavily on Skills and other RPG elements instead of strategy
True or false?
>>338969927
Because a crossover with FE worked out so well last time.
>>338970076
To some extent, but Conquest proved they can still be mixed well enough with strategy demands through proper map design.
>>338970303
>proper map design
Like more ninjas with poison. A lot of the early maps were solid though, Chapter 10 is godlike
>>338970076
>Skills
False. In FE:A this was more true because lol galeforce, but in fates they seem a lot more neglagable with some exceptions like poison strike.
>Stats
True.
>>338970095
I heard PXZ 2 was alright, I heard
>>338970413
Yeah that's my problem. Conquest's best maps are around the middle, but the later part of the game tries too hard to be hard for the sake of being hard to the point where it's more frustrating than fun. I'm mostly referring to chapters 8-17.
>>338963409
No it's not, the kids DLC proves it.
It's just dumb decisions overall.
>>338969607
Because Codename STEAM sold really well, right? The genre is very niche and the games never sold particularly well in the past. Awakening was going to be the last in the series but they found a new core audience with the waifu mechanics and that's what every single future FE title will revolve around.
>>338970076
Eh, Conquest made good use of skills to make for interesting challenges.
>>338970076
4,5,8,9, and 10 all had skills, they're nothing new.
13 and 14 have a greater emphasis on them sure, but Conquest proved you can still have strategic gameplay around them.
>conquest has le best gameplay in the series
Where does this meme come from? Is it rationalization as a result of how undeniably awful everything else is, GBAkiddies who don't know what they're talking about, or do people genuinely think Radiant Dawn 2.0 is the pinnacle of the franchise?
Are the maps in Conquest better? In most of the maps in Birthright the best thing to do is wait until your opponent comes to attack him with your full army. They aren't really fun.
Conquest was the only good game of the bunch. Revelations had the best gameplay balance but the story was fucking abhorrent
Go play Soul Nomad
>>338971451
>Revelations had the best gameplay
Not with those maps it ain't.
>>338971451
>Revelations had the best gameplay balance
>>338969927
It's not so much that I want a cross over as I want something like RPG maker / tool kits / map makers / etc. Something so the community can start tinkering around and shit. Granted this is probably a very bad idea for an industry that heavily depends on MUH DLC but those were fun times to be had.
People these days rig unity and SFM models all day, so if you had a method to allow model animators to plug in their works into a game real smoothly the amount of parody fun would be through the roof.
I'm not saying FE should do it, cause they got their own brand to protect, but it's amazing no one's bothered to grab a slice of the pie so far when there's so few contenders.
And then there's the untapped multiplayer potential. The mechanics would need to be changed quite a bit (revolving turns can't stay for example, but rather it should be more like rock paper scissors where both players submit their moves at the same time and having to guess the enemy's moves) but I bet it'd be doable, maybe not from a balance perspective but from a engaging gameplay one for sure.
>>338971451
>Revelations had the best gameplay balance
I'm gonna have to call bullshit on account of the most terrible unit base levels balance that tops even Radiant Dawn. The only saving grace is you can at least grind the shitty ones up, but that doesn't excuse how poor it is to begin with.
>Nyx joins in conquest in Chapter 9 at level 9 with Fire and Fimbulveltr
>Nyx joins in revelaion several chapters later than 9 as a level 9 with just Fire and the same chapter gives a promoted level 10 Shura with a Steel Bow and Mend StaffSoul Nomad is really good though, good tastes.
>>338971432
Conquest has the best maps in Fates, period.
There are still some stinkers, but as a whole it is leagues better than Birthright and Revelation.
>>338971432
They're okay, it's mostly just gimmicky shit. Not worth the money imo.
>>338971451
>>338971683
>>338971720
I didn't buy the Jew ending, can someone elaborate?
>>338949440
>>338971683
>>338971720
>>338971832
Nigga don't cut off my point. I meant that it had the best balance between Awakening/Birthright's casual gameplay and Conquest's classic gameplay. I obviously prefer Conquest but if they make the next FE a single game that's essentially Revelations but with more care taken into the content and quality in terms of ACTUAL balance (which is what you're probably yelling at me for), I wouldn't really mind.
>>338971915
Also asking this. I don't know if I should even bother with the effort to get the half assed fan translation because you need to do a bunch of extra shit that I don't have or something.
>>338961010
>Use Berserker
>Inherit Certain Blow
>>338971959
Revelation has shitty maps that can be cheesed far too easily. You can either fly past whatever gimmick obstacle they set up for you, or once that stops, you just have Ryoma and company to fuck everything up.
How do we Make Fire Emblem Great Again?
>>338972109
>tfw sniper mozu died
>only one who can pass down certain blow is Noodle-arms McGayboy.
FUCK.
>>338972201
Take a gun to the each one of the game designers' heads and force them to play though each SNES game in order and write a 4+ page essay on what made them so good
Don't mind me. Just dying without any indication.
>>338972201
Go into the mountains and find the great hermit Shouzou Kaga and beg him to share his wisdom
Or ask him to keep working on Vestaria Saga, hurry up old man
>>338972201
Better written characters with actual context to the setting. There's so much emphasis on supports and My Castle interactions, but they're all segregated shit that doesn't amount to anything in the big picture. Fire Emblem's a series that doesn't need a particularly innovating or twisting story, it just needs to ride on characters being written well enough and giving them enough context in the setting. Some proper world building wouldn't hurt either.
Aside from that, just the usual map design stuff that Conquest proved IS is at least capable of if they really try.
>>338970693
Personally I thought the aesthetics and combat system of Codename STEAM sucked dick, so it didn't surprise me it didn't take off.
To begin with, anything that relies on shooting as the main mechanic of a SRPG is gonna be very limited because in a turn-based system, traditionally what's a large factor is in how you could create tons of animations/different attacks so to speak. Having everyone just go pew pew pew sucks donkey balls and gets old fast.
X-Com and VC worked, but one pandered heavily to AYYY LMAOO and the other to waifus. FE/FF Tactics/etc was a lot smarter about it. It's the same idea on why something like Advanced Wars might be popular for niche, but who the fuck gives a shit about how dinky sprite tanks and shit shoot each other up?
Basically, if you're gonna limit yourself to the 'cutscene' moments you better make damn sure your game doesn't suck, and that's asking too much.
What I'm saying is to go the path that Starcraft/Warcraft 3/Skyrim/Minecraft/etc went and have someone create a decent base game, but allow people to change it how they please. That alone will win over every other title so long as the foundation is strong.
You only need to be kinda decent in aesthetics and game play to win everyone over, as proven by the examples I listed. Fan content will do the rest of the work for you.
>>338972201
>get better writers
>get a new character designer
>remove dlc or make it free
>only add in marriage and children if it makes sense plot-wise. If it doesn't, keep it to the endings like old FE games
>remove customizable MC
>>338972343
Just use MyCastle ya fukin' mong
>>338972539
That's fine. I worked my ass off to save Kaze in Birthright but he got shit growths. You can have all the speed in the world but that means fuck all when you're only doing 3 damage per hit while dying to a sneeze.
>>338972201
Put it out of its misery.
I'm scared to imagine what an attempt at an FE4 remake would be like.
>>338972634
Customizable MC is fine.
>But it's a self insert
It's not a self insert if you have no say in any decisions the character makes. You get to make like 2 choices total and none of them affect anything.
>>338952195
>If there's grass on the wicket lets play cricket
>If it's old enough to bleed it's old enough to butcher
>>338972634
I don't mind a customizable MC so long as they aren't ridiculously strong compared to everyone else and just stay at the standard Lord level, and you actually have more of a "choice" in what they do and how they act.
>>338972851
The problem is the character is still treated like a self insert in development which leads to terrible writing for the protagonist plotwise.
>>338972156
Yeah, and I'm not debating that. I just mean the raw mechanics hit a good middle ground, and that focusing on a single game with that mentality would make for a pretty good FE installment. Even if we'd all prefer another classic entry.
>>338972634
>>338973045
>>338973086
They need to go back to how they made Chris in FE12.
Not a major protagonist, just one of Marth's men. Robin completely stole the show from Chrom and Corrin is just one huge problem as the protagonist.
>>338972634
I didn't feel that annoyed by Robin because the story was mostly driven by Chrom and Lucina.
I don't like how Corrin is the one who takes stupid decisions, I don't even get to decide what my idiotic self-insert does.
>>338953227
I think MU's "Xander, dad literally tried to kill me what the fuck" explanation was as good enough as any.
Honestly I found it more believable than "let's just go along with what Garon says but don't kill anybody"
It's a shame Orochi and Azama are the only good (character-wise) Hoshido exclusives.
>>338954962
>she took dragon dick to make you.
You say that as if she hated it.
>>338969927
Fire Emblem Soul Calibur.
>>338953227
best girl was reason enough for me
>>338974381
What time periods and/or locations would you want the next FE Kingdoms based off of?
>>338974193
If it wasn't just Marth + Awakening and Fates characters, that'd be the best shit
>>338970609
>>338970413
>Conquest: Ryoma
>Corrin is locked in a room with Ryoma
>to help him, your army has to divide your forces
>fight more people than you are allowed to deploy
>who are also higher level
>and have inflated stats and weapon ranks
>and have better weapons than you
>for every situation
>and all of them debuff
>and the debuffs stack
>and they have lunge
>and poison strike, so even if they can't damage you, they hurt you
>the easiest way to beat the stage is to just have Corrin beat Ryoma's ass, but then you miss out on experience and treasure
>>338970413
>>338970609
Conquest's late-game maps might not be as good, but they were still passable. Birthright was the one where the late-game maps were an absolutely slog. I got so fed up that I eventually just said fuck it and threw Ryoma in there solo and fast forwarded the map.
>>338975004
I kind of like how the map gave you options, but fuck. The enemies on the right side were so god damn obnoxious with three thousand poison ninjas, three range attacks, and some dudes with high enough damage to deal at least a point of damage to whatever poor sap had just had his HP reduced to nothing by poison. And somehow I had the worst Corrin ever and couldn't take on Ryoma in hard mode. Had to literally aggro Ryoma to the bottom of that room and have my army range attack him to death.
>>338972674
I kept Kaze around in Birthright and Conquest, and both times I ended up regretting the decision. I'm considering giving him Paragon in Revelation, maybe getting twice the experience will offset the fact that each level he gets is only half good.
>>338972851
>>338973045
>>338973325
I just want to be a rank and file soldier.
>>338948583
It's easily one of the best FE games.
>>338960167
Give her a flame shuriken
>>338963196
>Not having Oboro tank rush through everything
She sort of makes up for Hana who gets OHKO'd by just about anybody.
>>338964157
>Camilla holding her axe upside down
>>338974193
That or Warriors, but I second the not just Archanea.
Tellius>Jugdral>Elibe>Magvel>Archanea>Valm
>>338962537
Depends on how you use him. If you marry him to Effie and make him a Hero he's going to be that very, very needed Tank that isn't weak to either armor or beast weapons. I'd advise against making him a Zerker.
>>338976407
What about Charlotte, I haven't started Conquest yet, but I want to use her and Arthur for their smug faces
>>338976624
Charlotte should be paired up with Xander in Guard Stance, that's all she's good for.
>>338976624
Charlotte's def and res are awful and she joins too late to really be useful. Her pair-up bonuses are too good to make her worth using as a combat unit.
>>338965005
Defend.
The funny part is that that map is actually very enjoyable and not really that hard. If you play your cards well you can have a unit with Vantage and this piece of love right here.
>>338976624
I used them both on my first playthough. Charlotte comes like 5 levels below your average so you'll need to grind her a bit on children paralogues early or just baby her a lot.
She will have hitrate issues, and is weak as hell her HP can only tank like two hits or so, but she'll constantly have 60% crit rate on a Killing Edge
If you really want to make the most out of her and don't mind buying skills online, buy her Heartseeker and Death Blow. Heartseeker fixes her hitrate and Death Blow makes her crit rate 80% on a killer axe, so she'll be the most reliable thing you have for killing stuff in a single hit, bypassing Counter and shit like that.
I've heard Velouria is the best child unit. Is this because of her father has good genes and if so should I give Azura to him for two good children?Who the fuck do I marry as Femui?
>>338955293
>people unironically believe this
>>338977423
RhajatMale Kana is a sack of shit
