What went wrong?
What you mean
>>338815986
/v/ did
as usual
Literally the best Total War to date. I'd shill it for free.
DENUVO
>>338815986
Nothing. Runs better than Rome 2 ever did.
I never played a Total War
Convince me to buy it, or not
>>338815986
are you making this thread everyday for the next few months you have to wait for a crack?
>>338821189
This. I was so pissed yesterday when it crashed on startup. Then I learned that I just had to wait on the intro screen during the first time startup. It's been running just fine since then.
>>338815986
Unfortunately the Total War part of the game, the core gameplay, has been dumbed down and simplified quite a lot from previous TW games. In some ways it makes the game easier but reduces the strategy involved and the overall satisfaction of completing a campaign. There are only 4 races, plus an included DLC race, and you can only go to war with certain factions, so it feels pretty barebones and restricted. I'm sure CA will be adding more races as DLC but I feel even with the Chaos as a pre-order inclusion there are not enough races. Not being able to play factions like the Skaven, Lizardmen or Tomb Kings is a shame and when you start the game just seeing 5 of the factions as playable is very disappointing (much more so than I was expecting, I knew there would be 5 factions before I bought the game) it feels very much like the game has been chopped down to sell to you in pieces. I don't think making the Chaos faction a pre-order hostage was a very good move either, it should be included free for everyone, without Chaos the game would feel even more limited than it does already.
TLDR: What is in the game is very polished, but it feels like Mannfred von Carstein has rampaged through the game and only left the minimum bare bones that CA could get away with selling at full price.
>>338818557
I'll be honest, I didn't come into Total War: Warhammer with much faith in CA. After the release of Total War: Attila, I was worried that the franchise might not rebound, but with Warhammer it seems to be on the right path, but not necessarily the right direction. What I mean is that I'm playing Warhammer, but it doesn't necessarily feel like Total War. The game has been dumbed down dramatically, in particular with managing provinces and raising armies. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but it lacks the Total War feel. Of course you have to expect some give and take in that regard, but it's also the reason why I only gave it a 7 and not an 8-10.
Yes the game has great graphics, yes it runs much smoother than Attila, however it didn't really expand on the elements that made so many of us love Total War in the first place. In fact it felt like they tried to do the same things they did with Attila, for instance, there are only 4 starting races, with one bonus race if you pre-ordered. That's about the same amount of factions in the first game, as far as unique unit types. So what you can expect is numerous new factions being added, but only at a cost. The trick to appeasement is to offer new stuff, but not significant amounts of new stuff, to make us believe that they're not trying to nickle and dime us on additions to the game.
Alright, so the game play is good, simplistic, but good. The addition of a fantasy element really does make you think. Is it a bad game? By no means. Is it everything I'd hoped for? By no means. Would I still buy it knowing what I do now? Most likely, but I'd still be griping about what I felt should've been changed or kept the same. Maybe I'm just one of those people that can't be satisfied. Anyways, I hope that helped
>>338821256
If you saw Braveheart, The Last Samurai, The Patriot, or the Lord of the Rings movies, and you thought "those battles were cool, I wish I could play something like that in a game", then you'll like the Total War games. Some will appeal to you more than others, since they're set in different times and places. Warhammer is, of course, fantasy, so expect dragons and wizards, etc, thrown into the mix. If you're down for that, I think you'll like this game.
>>338821662
>you'll like the Total War games
Nah, pretty much everyone of my friends liked those movies, but only two of them have the nerve to play TW with me, and they both are no good at it.
People are extremely shitty at the kind of multitasking TW requires to be played competently on average, and they tend to hate what they suck at.
>>338821913
This is exactly what I am afraid of, I suck at stategy games
>>338815986
I don't know if it's something peculiar, but some people are having trouble starting up.
I'm glad I bought it. Fun factions, decent combat and AI, runs smooth.
I was on the fence, but I figured if it was a catastrophe I would refund. I haven't.
>>338821913
This is a good point. The Total War games, love them or hate them, are definitely not for casual players.
Good: It works on day one and the AI is pretty decent, it tries to surround you and guards its ranged Units at least.
Factions have a great amount of variety and things like WAAAAAGH, Corruption and Dwarf Grudges have been made into really well working mechanics.
It's Porn for Warhammer Fans, the Units and the Map are incredibly Detailed.
Cavalry and Mages are incredibly satisfying to use, the Hero System is also really well fleshed out.
Bad: It's really simplified compared to Atilla and it doesn't look as good graphically but at least it's not Vanilla Shogun II levels of "made for retards".
No Town Sieges and City Sieges are limited to one or two at most angles of attack, the Cities are also far smaller than Rome and Atilla.
Bretonnia is in the game but unplayable.
No Seasons, no Weather Conditions, no Times of Day.
No Naval Units at all.
>>338822360
>Bretonnia is in the game but unplayable.
You can play as Bretonnia in multiplayer but not the campaign. It sucks, I know. CA promised to bring in another playable faction as free-DLC, who knows who it will be.
>>338822619
Wasn't saying that Bretonnia sucks, it sucks they're not playable in the campaign.
Fucking nothing
This is the GOTY 2016. Obese weeaboos and twitch blizzard shills can fuck off
>>338822714
it had a legitimate problem on launch and with the Rome 2 bullshit it's normal to be guarded
glad about what they did with the game though
>>338822858
Werked for me :)
Won't run on my laptop :(
It seems like if I want to afford three big armies I have to make so many tailor guilds that the world is just going to be covered in coats, what's going on?
>>338823845
gets cold man
>>338815986
Literally nothing. Its one of the best TW games ever.
Pretty much everything unfortunately. Removed and ruined everything that made modern Total War games such a massive improvement over old ones like Rome 1 and that god awful garbage Medieval 2. Just way too many steps back in every way and yet it still runs poorly and is graphically worse than even Empire and Napoleon which are 7 years old. Very disappointing.
>all these historyfags upset that TWW is fantastic
Ouch. Must have hurt when the lead designer came out and said this was the TW game he always wanted, you historyfags literally paying for demos.
>>338824112
I bet you liked Shogun 2
>>338824254
>falling for bait
>>338822360
>No Naval Units at all.
Naval was always shit in the lategame, because you had to manage huef fleets which always turns into a clusterfuck. Especially with the fire mechanic.
>>338822360
>It's really simplified compared to Atilla
No its not.
This is for sure the worst game in the entire series. So many things wrong with it. Simplified, archaic, ugly, and thoroughly regressive.
>>338815986
AMD did.
>>338824532
>>338824112
Do you enjoy being stupid?
>>338824532
>I haven't even looked at the game let alone played it: the post
Well done.
>>338824690
Not as much as you enjoy eating shit you cum guzzling mouth breather.
>>338822360
>No Naval Units at all.
This is a good thing though
Did ANYBODY enjoy naval battles in Total War? I did one, once, then never again
>>338824771
You're trying way too hard to fit in, stop being an idiot.
>>338824771
You aren't very good at this are you?
>>338815986
>Buying warhammer games
It's like you want to be scammed.
>>338824818
Only naval that I liked was Fall of the Samurai
>waiting for this game for ages
>my shitty laptop apparently doesn't have the minimum specs to run
life is suffering
Give it to me straight, as somebody who mostly only plays grand strategy
How dumbed down, errrr, accessible and streamlined is this game?
>>338825378
Not at all. It's actually the most complex total war to date.
>>338825378
Completely. Total War has always been grand strategy lite, but this trash pretty much removed and simplified all of that.
>>338825378
It's warhammer. A franchise literally built around people that can't play strategy games. Take a wild guess.
>>338815986
Literally nothing 10/10 GOTYAY.
>>338825378
They removed the ability to adjust tax rates and now it's just an on/off switch. That should tell you everything you need to know.
>>338825561
it was always a garbage mechanic
>>338825378
Every single TW game is casual as shit, anyone who pretends otherwise is a moron.
That being said, this is way harder than other TW games.
>>338825465
>>338825473
>welcome to /v/: where imbeciles have not played the game in question and have no idea what they're talking about, but will shout as loud as they can at every opportunity
Thanks for propagating the meme, friends.
>>338825561
No they didn't. Are you retarded?
>>338825378
>mostly only plays grand strategy
Fuck off. TOTAL WAR is about the WAR, not fiddling around with sliders.
>>338825465
>Total War has always been grand strategy lite
PFFFFFFFFFFFT
No.
>>338815986
Honestly? Nothing. It's literally GOTY thus far and will probably be my personal GOTY.
>>338821659
Attleboro aren't simplified, if act they are more advanced with spells and such. Yes, they removed most formations but spells add more than formations give.
The strategy map is simplified but I see that as a good thing since the grand strategy element has always been poorly implemented. They are not capable of making it into Europa Universalis and should stop trying, ad they have done.
I'm happy with the game, way better than Attila were you spend most of your time managing public order because of some irrelevant shit is happening.
>>338825453
>>338825616
>>338825684
>>338825646
>>338825615
These are shills, and they're lying.
>>338825684
Holy fuck. LOTR mod when?
>this is the most dumbed down total war ever
>this is the most complex and most difficult total war so far
Getting mixed messages here
>>338825772
Modding support is there, but nothing copyrighted is allowed.
Thank GWS for that.
>>338825831
Its not dumbed down at all, but it is the hardest TW game.
Seriously, I must have some 2000 hours between all the TW games and even im getting my ass kicked in on very hard.
>>338825772
>LOTR mod when?
Never ever, read the EULA.
>>338825762
>I played Total War for the grand strategy
Said no one ever. The strategic map layers has always existed only as a way to justify battles, nothing more.
>>338825762
>muh evil CA/SEGA
Piratefag tears are delicious. Good luck finding this game in a bargain bin before 2020.
>>338825831
See
>>338825762
All of those posts are full of shit, the people telling you it is dumbed down and lacking are giving you the sad truth. This game is a big step back from the past 5 TW games.
>>338825917
>literally taking this picture straight from reddit
:^) whats your account so i can upvote you
>>338825831
On the one hand you have salty piratefags who repeat shitposts. On the other hand you've got people being wrecked by the improved battle AI.
What's so hard to understand?
Do you think it would run with these specs ?
Asus X552C
>>338826038
>710m
You serious? It won't.
>>338826019
It's not about difficulty, it's about complexity and being mentally challenged
The simplest game in existence can still be difficult
A game being difficult because the AI cheats does not make it a complex game
>>338825762
You're not just bad at this, you're a complete failure. Lurk moar please. Come back when you can get it right.
>>338825831
The people saying it's dumbed down are memeing you.
>most difficult to date
>most complex unit balance to date
>flying units add an entirely new branch of strategies
>most advanced racial system to date where every race literally plays completely differently and requires vastly different strategies to beat
>not a single system has been dumbed down or removed besides naval units which were generally shit to begin with
>>338815986
nothing, its a fun game, compared to Attila its unfortunately quite simplified on the strategic layer (funny thing is that most of the people complaining about simplification are the same retards that were bitching about Attila being to "tedious")
but the battles play well and are fun, the addition of magic, heroes and monsters has made it sufficiently different from the predecessors, I was so worried that it would feel like more of the same, that I actually stopped playing previous total war titles to avoid feeling burnt out, but my worries were unfounded, its different
>>338821494
>nd you can only go to war with certain factions
lies you can go to war with anyone you like
>without Chaos the game would feel even more limited than it does already.
its going to be in the game even if you dont own the DLC, you just wont be able to play as it
>>338826096
You won't find that in TWW. Do you also go to FPS threads and complain they lack GSG elements?
>>338826096
Literally no one cares about your arbitrary semantics
>>338825242
I liked the battles themselves, but having to deal with the single ship spam constantly bombarding the same farms and mines was tedious, and bloated the end turn times dramatically.
>>338826096
>it's about complexity and being mentally challenged
Then go play Factorio
This isnt a puzzle game, its TW. Its about being in difficult situations and having to make judgement calls on strategy and tactics to win.
>>338826096
The post beneath you is the most blatant shill I've seen in a while. Take a good look at it and know the opposite of his words is the truth. The game removed all elements of strategy and just made the AI cheat harder than it ever could before and instead of sitting there brain-dead in battles will at least attempt to attack you. It isn't complex or difficult, just more bullshit with a lot less features and options.
>>338826232
>difficulty
>complexity
>>arbitrary semantics
Chicken special and a coke please
>>338825831
The strategy map is does not have all the features Attila had, but unlike Attila everything works wekl. In Attila most thing were shut and barely working.
Combat is more advanced and more fun since no faction had any shared units. Also the factions play very differently.
Vampire counts have no ranged units but they have plenty of good flying units and many spells for they lord and necromancers. Also they do not flee, but instead crumble and die when cornered or when the Lord dies/is wounded.
Dwarves have no cavalry but good defense and the best ranged units in the game. Also late game they have gyrocopters.
Greenskins are quite balanced and the orcs don't care when most goblins flee because they have the passive ability "expendable". This gives you the possibility to use loads of tactics that would otherwise be unviable.
>>338826310
You really are terrible at this aren't you? Please quit now, you're embarrassing yourself.
>>338826348
Thanks anon
So from what I understand the battles themselves have gained complexity, but the campaign map has been dumbed down?
>>338826314
Just because you dont understand TW isnt anyone elses problem, you're literally just arguing semantics crap because you dont understand what you are saying.
Fuck off.
>>338826103
I agree with you in all points except for Naval units. Yes they were generally a shot, but great for Shogun 2 FOTS
>>338826420
>So from what I understand the battles themselves have gained complexity, but the campaign map has been dumbed down?
pretty much yeah
>>338826432
If you're treating your customers like that you won't get tips
>>338826420
No, campaign is dumbed down and battles are just less fun and more gimmicky than they were before
>>338826420
Compared to atilla? There are fewer broken, meaningless, options cluttering the screen, but significantly more that actually matter. It's also completely different for each race.
>>338826093
I don't know anything about specs or such, sorry. Should I consider buying a new graphics card or something? I imagine updating the drivers won't do much
>>338826420
Pretty much.
>>338826485
How has the campaign been dumbed down at all?
Family trees are gone, thats it. And they were always irrelevant.
>>338825832
To be fair it avoids a whole lot of potentially bothersome lawsuits. You hear stories of modders getting in trouble with big companies all the time on moddb and these days companies are really trigger happy. I heard the company Rebellion (the people who made sniper elite and AVP) tried to sue Ironclad (The people who made Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion) because they used the word rebellion in the title for the sins expansion.
It's just not worth it these days.
Will this game teach me about Warhammer lore? Always wanted to get into it
>>338826772
There are quest battles for each race that have some relevance to the lore I think.
>>338826589
Compared to Attila:
family trees are gone
sanitation is gone
food is gone
governors are gone
functional inner politics (the absolute best addition of attila) are gone
>>338826589
No sanitation (it was a shit feature) and you can change tax levels except for taxes or no taxes per province. Of course you could never change taxes on a per city or per province basis so that too was a poorly implemented feature.
Everything removed was poorly working and/or poorly implemented features.
>>338826862
Jeez really? is that the best you got?
Family trees were only relevant for offices, they have no purpose outside of that. We still have offices in TWW.
Sanitation was irrelevant. Food is in TWW. Governors have been replaced with deeper character trees and more character options. You can still have a character who 'governs' a province by giving it buffs, you just dont put them into a building, they actually exist on the map as a character.
>functional inner politics
Oh boy, because the loyalty system was so fantastic
>Oops, someone is about to rebel! Better spend 20 of my 2000 influence to make him loyal.
>>338826748
Modders don't profit off their creations, therefore they can't generally be sued. Plenty of previous Total War games had mods like LotR and Star Wars
>>338826862
Don't forget no taxation options anymore and very few uses for agents.
>>338826862
Compares to attila:
Chaos is in,
corruption is in,
WAAAAAAGH! is in,
Underground passages is in,
Raise dead is in,
Global recruitment (the absolute best addition of warhammer) is in
>>338827052
>very few uses for agents.
>literally every single faction has entirely unique features both on the campaign AND in battle, which is a first
Your a git
In terms of the launch, this was pretty smooth. I don't think I've encounter running issues or bugs, which is pretty impressive due to the shitfest of R2 and Atilla.
I terms of gameplay and the campaign, I think this is also the hardest TW to date because the AI is significantly improved. The AI actually knows how to use fucking its different troops this time, go figure. AI likes to bait and switch, will not be focused on attacking but disorienting your army and separating your forces by using fast troops to flank. You'd sit there thinking there AI is stupid on some instances, and you will fuck yourself like having your hero in the middle of the field spamming spells, only to have the AI swarm your hero to make your army mass route. I had to change the difficulty a few times.
The only qualms I have is: I wish there was hero vs hero animation, and the city sieges; even though you get a huge spectrum of its immensity of the town your sieging like buildings from a huge faraway distance, you only get to play in one little section of it.
>>338826862
Don't forget:
awful performance
boring factions everywhere
low-energy cavalry
constant town battles
shallow religion mechanics
steppe horsefuckers
>>338827261
Yes, with TWW we are back to Rome 1 horse charges and it's glorious.
I need to play a custom game with Brettonia vs a bunch of goblins.
>>338827010
>Family trees were only relevant for offices
they tied into the inner politics system
>Sanitation was irrelevant
how come retards complained about being unable to manage it then? also having no disease in a game that has a fucking God of Disease is odd dont you think?
>Governors have been replaced
no they havent been replaced by anything, there are no governors at all in warhammer, making generals better doesnt replace civil management
>Oh boy, because the loyalty system was so fantastic
good to see that you never figured it out, probably played Attila on easy or something. Playing as the WRE you had to carefully manage offices, adoption, marriage and your gravitas and support because as your power falls the whole thing could quickly spiral out of control and before you know it you have a million rebellions all over the place
it was also a good system that had a lot of potential, just cutting it out instead of trying to improve it is simply lazy
they for some reason also removed day and night system, they still have a mechanic that works just like night battles (lightning attacks perk), so why not just make it dark?
>Jeez really? is that the best you got?
I am not trying to imply that TWW is bad, I am playing it right now and having fun, but it is definitely simplified compared to Attila. Which is to be expected because they are reaching out to a completely new audience, so they want a more simple title, and lets be honest, most of the "old guard" are fucking retards too who couldn't figure Attila out and complained incessantly
I just woke up from a coma
Can you fucking play as the Skaven yet?
If not then fuck it, any WHFB game that doesn't let you play Skaven is shit-tier
>>338827052
>taxation options
They removed the dropdown and integrated it into 3 different racial systems. It's MORE complex.
>very few use for agents
There are more uses out of battle and an equal number of uses IN battle now.
Did you play the game and are an idiot, or are you parroting idiocy you read here from people who also did not play the game?
>>338827514
I was going to reply to each posts but
>Playing as the WRE you had to carefully manage offices, adoption, marriage and your gravitas and support because as your power falls the whole thing could quickly spiral out of control and before you know it you have a million rebellions all over the place
You are just making shit up to try and save face, so I wont bother. This is a straight up lie. Dont pretend the family/governance system in Attila actually meant something when I have a legendary completion as WRE and never had to bother with it once.
But honestly, if you think bringing up sanitation is a valid point, you are beyond hope.
>>338827514
>but it is definitely simplified compared to Attila
Yeah, na, its not. Family trees were shit, they served no purpose. Sanitation is shit. Governors HAVE been replaced. You're an idiot, fuck off.
>>338827578
>>338827712
Why is no else calling out this fucking shill already? He's been spouting nothing but lies this whole thread, come the fuck on.
>>338827150
additions in one area dont mean you should regress in other areas desu
>>338827261
>boring factions
thats subjective, there is plenty of variety in cultural groups in Attila. Also Attila has 48 siege layouts, Warhammer has 10 (with reskins based on the race, the actual layouts are identical, apparently orks and empire design their cities with the same layots)
>low-energy cavalry
oh fuck off, Attilas charges were far better than the crap we have in Warhamm where giant armour clad warriors get tossed around like toys by a charging pony, CA went to far in an attempt to appease the "muh collision" nostalgia fags
>shallow religion mechanics
as opposed to no religion mechanics at all in Warham?
>steppe horsefuckers
get good
>constant town battles
so you think town battles being field battles isnt just laziness?
>>338827514
>>Family trees were only relevant for offices
>they tied into the inner politics system
If you want politics go play a GSG. Even Attila's "Politics" was a totally pointless shitfest that served no real purpose. You married a daughter off to a random faction, spammed influence to keep generals happy, and posted people to offices randomly because it had no real use.
Fact is you could literally ignore every single aspect of the family tree and politics and still beat the game on any difficulty.
Good fucking luck ignoring anything on the campaign map for warhammer.
How do I get into the Total War series? Will I hate it if I've never played an RTS?
>>338827860
1: that's 2 people. You can easily tell by the posting style and vocabulary
2: you're still VERY bad at this. Please try again after lurking moar.
>>338815986
It came out on a weekday evening and now I am tired as fuck at work.
Great flavour, great fun. Almost a great game.
>>338827860
>S-STOP DISAGREEING WITH MEEE
Fuck off
>>338827981
The tutorial seems to be rather fleshed out so if you want to be introduced to a strategy game this might be it
>>338827712
actually it is true, in my legendary campaign both Flavius Honorius and Stilicho died in battle, control fell and two generals rebelled instantly, I lost Mediolanum to one of the generals with further applied -1 loyalty to all character, in a matter of 10 turns half the faction was rebels and at war with me
and again it was a good system to build upon, instead it was simply discarded. And again how does sanitation not make sense in a game with Nurgle - A GOD OF PESITILENCE AND FANTASY AIDS?
>>338827981
I'd start with one of the better ones like Shogun 2 personally, this one isn't up to snuff and needs a lot of work still. That one looks better, runs better, and is also easier to get a handle on because it's very focused on the basics of swords, spears, archers, and cavalry with very few more complex or unique units to worry about. It's tight, fun, and will teach you best.
>>338821494
While I agree, we need more factions, at least these factions actually play differently rather than the old TW differences (this faction has best cavalry but weak infantry, this faction has best infantry but week cavalry).
I'm also slightly worried based on the hero base power that the army compositions will become less relevant as your hero becomes more imbalanced than they begin.
>>338825561
Oh so instead of keeping it at yellow until I want some growth I now keep it on until I want some growth
>>338815986
>has a goddamn AMD logo on startup
>runs worse on my AMD system than it does on my friend's 4 year old intel/nvidia setup
What!?!?
>>338825378
>How dumbed down, errrr, accessible and streamlined is this game?
For everything that has been removed, a deeper layer of something else has been added e.g. using magic.
Saying it's dumbed down is like saying Attila is dumbed down because it doesn't have the region and technology trading from Empire and Napoleon
>/v/ praises TW games that were more accessible and weren't overly bogged down with economy
>/v/ then bashes Total Warhammer for being more accessible and not overly bogged down with econemy
>>338828651
Region trading was a good mechanic
>>338828887
None of the other TW games have ever been this streamlined and casualized before except for that free to play mobile cancer.
>>338828084
There isnt nurgle (yet)
Anyway I can see why they removed food, squalor, pestilence and corruption
In my attila campaign I spent more time juggling food and squalor than fighting actual battles
>>338815986
Campaign mechanics are a bit simplified, but the battles have more depth to them than any of the previous games by a wide margin. Really great addition to the franchise. Hopefully they will expand on the campaign mechanics in the expansions.
>>338828205
subtle, I like it
>>338829158
They're likely holding them back for new factions, since they intend on most of them, and each one needs unique mechanics.
>>338821152
/thread
>>338828646
Your statement implies you bought something with an AMD logo in the last 4 years, that wasn't a console.
You're getting exactly what you deserve.
>>338826019
>someone saved my screenshot
Anyways I am thankful half the chaos horde ended up suiciding against my upgraded border cities walls
>>338826019
Is that a beastman? I know Beastmen are aligned with Chaos but shouldn't Beastmen be a separate faction altogether?
>>338827205
>AI is significantly improved
Are we playing the same game?
The AI is no better than medieval 2, maybe worse on normal difficulty.
It's a good game but the AI is still shit tier.
>>338824818
I liked the smaller naval battles in Empire, but when it's more than 5v5 it becomes a clusterfuck real quick.
>>338825242
That was only fun because you could shit all over primitive japanese bamboo canoes with modern ironclads.
Same in the Sengoku period, with the Portuguese galleon.
>>338830213
Was AI ever good on total war?
I honestly see no fucking difference
>>338829864
Its dragon ogre.
SEGA here, we can't afford shills, we spent all our shill money on the Sonic Twitter account.
My only complaint is... lack of variety.
I know each race is different, but 5 factions isn't enough. And it'll take at least 4 years to finish their "trilogy"... so it just means giving CA more money. They want all major races of 8th edition, but they'll only drip-feed the new content to use via paid DLC anyway, so it's not really something I'm looking forward to.
>>338830213
>The AI is no better than medieval 2, maybe worse on normal difficulty.
I think you should go back and actually play M2 sometime.
>>338830579
>My only complaint is... lack of variety.
>I know each race is different, but 5 factions isn't enough
It literally has more variety than any other Total War game though?
>>338830506
they improve it slightly one tiny step at a time, in attila the ai will block of streets when attacking your settlement so that you can easily flank it and hit it in the back
>>338830579
>so it just means giving CA more money.
Rome 2 taught me to never buy a Total War game ever again.
I won't even bother if they manage to release a non-dumbed down game that actually runs well on today's hardware, because I know they're going to bilk me with dozens of DLC that will feel like a necessity after buying the base model.
>>338830737
How? it's pick and mix...
>oh look, you get big giants
>but no cav for you
>here, some flying units
>no cavalry though xD
It may be more diverse, because it's fantasy, but the variety isn't that deep.
>>338830579
What are you taking about? For example the Empire and Chaos armies have nothing in common. Meanwhile take attila where all Germanic factions share most units.
No fucking formations
>>338830840
That is what mods are for
>>338830840
What the fuck did you honestly expected?
How can it get more varied than that?
Or are you just shitposting?
>>338831003
If you're looking to mods to add shit to the game that should already be in the game since it's just become standard over time, there's something wrong with the formula.
Such a lazy defense of an indefensible position.
>>338830840
Which faction has giants but no cav? or flying but no cavalry?
>>338831104
>Factions are different
>I want them to be same
Fuck off. This is the first time TW has given us such unique factions and you want to turn it into reskinned same unit?
>>338830840
Yes. It gives every race an actually unique playthrough.
>>338831185
>strawman the post
I'm talking about the generic 'mods will fix it' response, faggot.
>>338830840
>It may be more diverse
>but the variety isn't that deep.
Those words literally mean the exact same thing
>>338831193
For now. Then they add 10 more races and there is no identity.
>>338815986
They went right in capitalising on warhammer fanboys, pandering to these autists is basically printing money as they'll eat shit and call it caviar
>>338831337
Am I talking about a generic mod?
Don't reply to my post if you want to talk about generic mods dipshit.
>>338831413
>Lizardmen
>High
>Dark
>Wood Elves
>Ogre Kingdoms
>Tomb Kings
>Beastmen
>Skaven
>Daemons
Every single one of them is unique and has an identity of their own.
>>338830682
Solving the pathing issues by simplifying the map design is not improved AI.
You can still split an enemy army in half by second one unit of cavalry to run around behind them. They will still charge you one unit at a time as reinforcements arrive rather than forming up into a force that would crush you in one charge etc.
All the stupid shit from the previous games happens apart from the pathing bugs.
>>338831489
Are you illiterate or just so full of impotent rage you're simply not reading what's being said?
>generic mod
What does this even mean?
Read, you idiot.
>>338831523
So what do they offer, except reskinned versions of current units?
They're going to have their own monster/cav/flying units, with minimal stat changes... may as well just flesh out the existing races with the same shit.
>>338831587
Don't reply to me and my post again faggot
>>338831613
Well the Orcs and empire campaign mechanics/economy work in extremely different ways and this is done with lots of flavour.
Jesus Christ I want this game. Had to spend all my money on exam books. Feels bad to be a normalfag. Maybe I can afford it next autumn.
>>338831413
not as much of a problem in the warhammer universe, everything's more distinct and diverse than in, say, shogun 2 where they arr rook arike or in rome 2 where you ended up commanding 40 different shades of dunecoon gray
>>338831003
>>338831574
>You can still split an enemy army in half by second one unit of cavalry to run around behind them. They will still charge you one unit at a time as reinforcements arrive rather than forming up into a force that would crush you in one charge etc.
Are you talking m2? Because I haven't seen any of that shit in warhammer.
>>338831694
Eat a cornucopia of assorted animal andh human dicks and wash it down with a pitcher of horse piss, bitch nigger.
Can we talk about the game itself, bros?
>Turn 120 or so as VC, playing normal
>I get word Chaos is coming and I should be prepared
>Not too concerned as my army has fought off pretty much every Greenskin/Goblin/Empire incursion so far
>Notice the Chaos army approaching from the north, but there's at least 3+ factions in the way
>They're at my doorstep in 2 turns
>Proceed to single handledly wreck my shit with more doomstacks than I thought possible
>Manage to wound Archaon and save my horribly crumbled empire before it was too late
>desperately trying to rebuild before the next invasion
I know I sound like a /shill/, but this is honestly the most fun I've had with a CA game thus far.
>>338826038
it will i guess,
look this video and R2 is bad optimized!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9atZit4GU0s
>>338815986
I want to get the game but I don't know if my comp can play it at an acceptable state. My comp can play Starcraft 2 on medium is that good enough?
I feel like the only thing this game is really missing is more factions.
I don't feel like a lot of the things that are present in Atilla that are missing in TW:W are things that made the game more fun or interesting, like negative public order farms or goat pens that let you recruit cavalry units. Total Warhammer focuses on the battles first and foremost and I think that's perfectly fine, because they're more fun than the campaign will ever be without radical changes to it.
>>338832174
I'm starting to think that VC are there solely to be a speedbump to chaos since they will cause attrition to their forces.
>>338815986
Nothing, CA finally got his shit together, this only means next game is going to be awful tho
>>338831757
wait for goty bundle with all dlcs, I'm gonna wait a year for this
>>338832903
>I'm gonna wait a year for this
The game is split into 3 parts, you'll be waiting at least 2 years before it's going to have a GOTY bundle with everything.
>>338822002
Wait for rome total war to be in sale, I buyed that one for 1 dollar and got hooked into the franchise
>>338832965
2 years? fine at least good PC will be cheap so I can play on ultra.
>>338832524
Needs more units in some factions too. The Empire is so fucking boring.
>>338821256
Shallow turn based strategy aspect with battles that consist of throwing units at other units.
I'm not a fan of total war games but I love warhammer, I'm proper conflicted.
>>338831121
>flying but no cavalry
dwarves
> giants but no cav
hes talking out of his ass
>>338822360
>Corruption
>well working
I'd argue against that, Corruption with the AI how it is gets seriously bullshit.
>try to play Vamps
>Empire subfactions just send endless heroes into my territory
>grants me negative corruption, lowering my Public Order
>they then give me more negative Order
>suddenly villages rioting everywhere
>22-27% assassination fails far more than it should AND costs ~300 even for a failed attempt
How do you deal with demigryph knights? Also does chaos feel very weak?
>>338833946
Can't say I've had an issue but I only play on hard
>>338815986
nothing, im having a blast, the imperium will vanquish all its enemies
>>338833635
If you haven't played a Total War game before then let me tell you that every element of roleplaying gets bogged down in managing settlements (even at their simplest), retarded AI (even at its smartest), bugs (even in the most bug-free games), and other frustrating shit I can't remember right now, the point being that whenever I feel like starting up a new campaign because I want to feel like a conqeurer, I get a kind of 'Oh right, I have to deal with this shit again' feeling. Rome 1 was probably the best game and it's hardly great.
But if you're a fanboy then you are also exactly the type of guy this game is marketed towards, so it's your call.
>>338827205
The AI also builds good armies. Man, some of these Dorf armies I keep running into as Orcs are brutal.
>>338832174
They game throws heaps of shit to trip you up which breaks the normal TW repetitive slog that happens when you get steamrolling. It's really refreshing actually panicking in a TW game.
So how much of the difficulty is obvious cheats like in previous TW?
>>338832174
>Turn 160
>2 chaos armies show up and attack fortified town with a full army of Black Guards and Black riders
>They have to build drive engines
>Use this time to build a second army
>Get 6 black guards and move to the town
>Bigger of the enemy armies attacks my new army
>Don't like the odds and retreat
>Big army follows and attacks
>Close enough to another town for reinforcements
>Kill the enemy general and barely win with a chain route
>3 units left
>Sigvald's army breaks siege and runs
>Chase him for 3 turns
>3rd Chaos doom stack shows up
>Both attack. Can't run
>Sigvald has taken heavy attrition
>Reinforcing chaos army enters behind my army
>Run whole army uphill and wipe out Sigvald
>Charge back downhill into full strength army
>Kill both generals and cause chain route
I can't believe I fucking won! It's shit like this that makes me love Total War.
How do I deal with chaos corruption? The moment they introduce the chaos rising phase, 4 or so chaos agents spawn in my territory and I'm gaining 3% corruption per turn on all cities.
Assassinating them has abysmal chances either so I can't get rid of them.
Please send help
>>338834945
Your agents have passive corruption reduction, try to invest in the skills that increase it. Either that, or go and beat the shit out of chaos to draw their agents towards your armies and not your territory.
Imagine Attila running 60fps and as optimized as this game
Fucking die you little fucking turd. The arrows do nothing and he's fucking melting my shit.
>>338836604
DAWI
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IBig Un's and Arrer boyz are your only real answer, Arrer boyz actually do a bit of AP damage
>>338836604
Look at this fucking shit. Everything he touches routs.
>>338836378
attila is prettier though, on max settings that is
>>338836837
>Army with all goblins and one unit of boys.
>Complaining about low moral.
>>338837241
It's a support army I got together in a rush. It got caught out. RIP
>>338836837
that's because he's an ugly motherfucking Dwarf
>>338836378
it's not optimization, it's just all the useless shit
>>338815986
They made a fantasy total war when they couldve made Medieval 3 thats what went wrong.
How is the ruler system? Like older one where a leader dies and gets replaced by family?
>>338829246
>subtle
so where do I really start then, wise guy?
So, they're looking to do all the factions:
>Beastmen
>Tomb Kings
>High Elves
>Dark Elves
>Wood Elves
>Skaven
>Lizardmen
>Daemons of ChaosOne of these does not make it in, but you get to choose the sacrifice, who do you kill off? I'd kill Tomb Kings for being Vampire Counts in fancy dress.
>>338837637
Time doesn't really progress so leaders don't die of old age. It's a way to get around the question of what happens when legendary lords die and also handily avoids the idea that the campaign will progress into the End Times and then Age of Skubmar. Just imagine that it's chaos fuckeryWhich it is.
>>338837761
You forgot Ogre Kingdoms, and I'd probably do away with daemons of chaos since I feel like chaos already has enough factions. It seems like Kislev is actually going to get a faction DLC too, based on placeholders on the total warhammer website.
>>338838021
What happens if a leader dies in combat then? Just temporarily unavaible?
>>338838131
Yes, although everyone other than your legendary lords can die.
>>338837761
Fuck that shit, give me Nippon and Cathay
>>338838243
Alright, sounds like an alright system
>>338838243
Legendary Lords can die once you take all their settlements, I believe
Is it done yet?
http://steamspy.com/app/364360
>all these agents shitting on my horde
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck, dealing with them is harder here than attila because the main stat that determines success of assasination is hero level and not abilities, and I only recruited heros late into the campaign so mine are low level and have no chance to assasinate those cunts that keep harassing me
>>338838021
>Time doesn't really progress
So there's no seasonal changes? Not really important for me, but unexpected if so
>>338815986
Nothing. It's quite good.
>>338837761
Daemons can (and should) just be added to the Warriors of Chaos.
>>338838947
I don't think so. There's a range of environments in the game and chaos/vampire corruption changes the environment, but seasonal changes don't occur.
>>338815986
Cant believe somebody gave this a possitive review. There are like half the utility options and units compared to shogun 2.
I MUST believe sega payed off reviewers
>>338839141
>Someone enjoys something
>I must delude myself into thinking everyone but me was paid off
>>338832174
>Chaos showing up on turn 120
How? I'm getting buttfucked by Chaos on turn 70. They started to show up around 50.
>>338839234
Enjoyment isnt the point you zero reading comprehension simpleton
Why Karl Franz though? He's a busta and a bitch. Why not Sigmar's reincarnation or Ulric?
>>338839352
>Positive reviews aren't supposed to factor in enjoyment!
>>338825917
Well... I play Total War Games like they were grand strategy games... barely play the battles...
>>338839324
That's not the for real reals chaos. You get a cutscene and everything when Archaon shows up.
>>338815986
/v/ has disappointed me numerous times before, but not as much as in the present with the shameless and visceral attack on Total War Warhammer.. Why on earth need a bunch of alienated, nihlistic young adults with social maladjustment spend their short, numbered days attacking a video game that fails to live up to their arbitrary standards? Good or not, the ideal game /v/ imagines is unattainable. These people spend their time bemoaning the lack of polish and features to a game that nonetheless be accepted and enjoyed by the vast majority, and push for features that will only be found in their imaginary ideal game. Most of the hairs split by these posters are indeed confined to the realm of fantasy. They see themselves as the arbiter of taste in the medium yet have no experience or qualifications in creating content to justify their insatiable thirst for perfection. Their very bodies tremble at the thought that normal people such as you or I may find fun in something they deem to be so disingenuous and flawed in its very nature. What you or I see in good, valuable content to them appears twisted and distorted. Ultimately the posters who so viciously attack games made by passionate people in the industry are channeling their own frustrations at never being given the chance to create the game that lives up to their impossible standards. This, and this alone, is the true reason that /v/ has continued to be a source of insecure, disagreeable young 'gamers': a term I use loosely, for these people, in their hatred, have lost the true spirit of what it means to be a gamer in the end..
Should I buy this now or wait for the eventual all inclusive GOTY edition with a mountain of DLC for $20?
>>338839426
It should, but not be based on it, again you zero reading comprehension simpleton
The reason why people enjoy TW games is the core which is the same for every TW game. The rest of what made the games also interesting is gone. They took previous games and removed stuff, added literally nothing in process.
This game deserves to be shit on same as infinity warfare, because its nothing than a dumbed down copy. Enjoyable for sure, but not thanks to these devs, who made only warhammer skin and slapped it on the TW core they copy pasted.
Why is Karl Franz not getting order with the turns?
>>338839765
>>338824818
I liked Napoleon naval battles and Rome II naval battles a lot
Anyone else think the heroes need toning down a bit?
I'm fine with legendary lords being OP, but the lesser heroes, especially the melee ones are so fucking powerful. It took fucking forever to kill an empire lord while he was surrounded by 4 squad of swordsman and some reiksguard.
>>338840007
Not in this case, there's a ton of people getting into Total Warhammer purely because they like Warhammer and this is their first TW game. They don't care about the empire management stuff, they want a real-time video game version of the tabletop.
>>338821189
can't wait til dx12 as the cpu usage is pretty shit atm
gpu works really well tho
>>338841271
Everything is perfect with heroes.
>>338841271
>Get on the bad side of the empire
>Suddenly 30 billion heroes putzing about in my territories, harassing my armies and settlements
>Too many to assassinate since they're all midlevel and I keep failing 40%+ attempts
Just fucking fight me instead, this is awful
Can my own ranged units hit my infantry if they are too close to the objective?
>>338839426
Reviews should also contain facts about the game, rather than harping on about one thing you did in a battle that was awesome
>50 turns in
>crash on end turn
>LOAD FAILED LOAD FAILED
>last save is 20 turns ago
TELL ME BROS IS IT FIXABLE
HAHAHAHAAHA look what reddit found
https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/4kyylb/warhammer_damage_doesnt_scale_with_unit_size/
"Spell damage (and probably every kind of damage) DOES NOT scale with unit size. Magic is OP in normal and small and worse in big and ultra sizes."
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>338845165
Why are you laughing?
No torrent no buy. CA ain't getting my money no questions asked anymore, I've been burned too many times by those fuckers.
>>338845165
man i thought this might be the case, i'm playing on ultra and magic seems weak titty
>>338822360
>No Town Sieges and City Sieges are limited to one or two at most angles of attack
False, play the game more. Have walled towns.
>No weather conditions
Also False, but whatever
>>338823845
expand moar
Any time I try to attack (about 75 turns in as Empire) I get attacked by a force big enough that I have to turn around or lose 2-3 towns. Advance towards the chaos twats and Heinrich/Manfred turn up with stacks, go after the vampires and there's lots of small armies of chaos that can still fuck up the garrisons so if I don't send an army they'll get razed. Also there's like 5+ chaos heros and some banshees that I can't do anything about, that's good.
>>338824032
it's missing the ability to place individual units like TW rome.
I want muh legions at the edge of the world back
>>338846790
And thank god for that
>>338834945
anti-corruption building + agents
>>338821494
>>338821659
Exactly how I feel. They removed half of the fun when empire managing is dumb downed. Guess I have to wait a few years for another historical game.
>>338848060
I feel the exact opposite, I couldn't stand the building tree from Attila with its dozens and dozens of similar buildings with slight variation. I even alt f4'd once when I had the choice between two buildings both named goat pens within the husbandry of the agriculture part of the tree.
Too much is too much. Now I agree a bit more options wouldn't hurt (like adjusting the tax) but overall I think simpler is better in TWW's case.
On a side note, I'm loving the AI and the diplomacy. I witnessed some amazing behaviors that actually make sense instead of the usual stupidity/stubbornness we usually get in those type of games.I fucking love the fact that Dwarves can be real bros
>>338846710
Get more than one army and build the defensive buildings everywhere
It's really not that hard.
Diplo works well too so use that as well.
>>338845560
I get ya but this one is actually good.
Resembles Rome 1 a lot in terms of combat.
It's fulfulling several of my vidya dreams.
>>338822858
For what, a few hours at most?
>>338841271
An Anon earlier was getting his shit wrecked continuously by a lone hero.
Shit was amazing.
>>338848742
>Dwarfs were totally cool with vassaling to the Empire
Honestly surprised me
>>338841271
Yes
I tried to take a screenshot before of 6 entire units of Goblin Wolf Riders taking like 5 minutes to kill a lone Dwarf Engineer
>>338837761
Least necessary faction are wood elves or beastmen
Is there a mod that removes demigryphs and other post-6th edition units?
How do I fucking get the dwarves out of their fortresses?
They just turtle there and no matter how much infantry I get there the siege predictions are always against me.
