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DirectX 9 games on Windows 10 (and 8) cannot use more than 4gb memory.
It works fine on Windows 7, but Microsoft intentionally crippled DirectX 9 on Windows 10 to push DirectX 12, which is Win10 exclusive.
If you "upgrade" to Windows 10, you will no longer be able to play heavily modded DirectX 9 games, like Skyrim.
Even if you buy one of Nvidia's new GPUs, where 8gb VRAM is now the norm, you will be unable to use it.
Be warned.
>wanting to play skyrim
dont know that feel bro
>>338747987
Don't be a fucking moron. Even playing something like rainbow six siege with the uhd turned on uses 4.5gb of vram. Microsoft is trying to push me to Linux idk why
>2016
>still playing dx9 games
what next, glide, opengl? it's time to move on
>not using GWX control panel
>>338748249
>>338747987
Shills
>>338747987
Skyrim is pretty neat.
>>338747789
What about S.T.A.L.K.E.R.?
Got a "Your Windows 10 upgrade will begin in 8 minutes" pop-up yesterday, despite declining the upgrade every time. Went in control panel, turned off automatic updates, removed the checkbox next to Windows 10 in recommended updates. Start my computer this morning
>"Your Windows 10 upgrade will begin in 8 minutes"
Why the fuck do they want me to upgrade that badly? I don't fucking want it and the more they push it, the less I want it.
>>338748623
I got that too.
>Source: my ass
>>338748623
Go into your installed updates, find KB3038853 and uninstall it, after the restart, hide this update.
This is the one that tries to make you upgrade to Windows 10 every day.
>>338747789
>you will no longer be able to play heavily modded DirectX 9 games, like Skyrim
but I can
I don't understand
>people didnt disable windows update after using dazloader
I'm lmfaoing at your life
>>338748623
http://serverfault.com/questions/695916/registry-key-gpo-to-disable-and-block-windows-10-upgrade
>>338747789
You got a source there pal?
>>338748623
They're pushing Windows 10 hard as fuck, to the point that a lot of new updates for 7, 8 and 8.1 are new ways for Microsoft to try and install Windows 10 on your computer.
My guess is, they've got plans for Windows 10 and before they announce them they want as many people as possible using the OS.
I cant believe all the people saying to just install some third party program or edit the registry. You shouldnt need to do that stuff to not get updated. Fuck M$.
>voat dot co/v/technology/comments/853510
>run script
>no win10
>>338749440
>I cant believe all the people saying to just install some third party program or edit the registry. You shouldnt need to do that stuff to not get updated. Fuck M$.
>not a single person has said this ITT
>>338749364
Win10 will be a rolling updates OS anon, so the "last" windows as they aim for it.
Get as many sheep inside, close the gates, unleash the Windows Store exclusive shit.
And who would want to be an Xbone10, wait a Windows1....whatever the two will be one and the same, a bad console.
>>338747789
>No source
>Everyone's talking out of their ass again
I hate this board.
>>338749587
Are you blind???
>>338749440
I agree, but you are using theirs software.
unless you want to use Linux
get ready to be cucked
>>338749302
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36367221
No seriously I need a source.
>>338748623
Different anon, the funny thing about my laptop is that I don't think I can upgrade it at all because the C drive is so fucked up. I have the Windows 10 box but the automatic upgrade never comes up.
>>338749702
>http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36367221
Thanks but it doesn't say anything about ram or DX, I was more hoping for a source on that stuff.
>>338749642
>Win10 will be a rolling updates OS anon, so the "last" windows as they aim for it.
I'll believe that when I see it, but even if it turns out true, how the fuck are they going to make profit anymore if they're not selling OSes? Clearly they have a plan, and this plan requires lots of people be stuck on Windows 10.
My guess is they're going to try to monetize people being on Windows 10 somehow. Maybe some kind of subscription fee of some sort.
>>338749905
>how the fuck are they going to make profit anymore if they're not selling OSes?
Probably paid subscriptions for updates.
>>338749905
Most of their money comes from business licenses, the home sector doesn't bring much profit
>>338749905
Theres many many ways anon.
Ever thought how hard it would be to become the competitor of Steam?
Gog has like less than a 10% share of the market and they are the 2nd.
Well imagine that you can just "roll out" your gaymen store to all Win10 PCs at once.
Suddenly you are the biggest competitor - and they can stuff it full of exclusive games - hi gigantic and quantum shit
>>338749905
>how the fuck are they going to make profit anymore if they're not selling OSes?
Make it free to home users but make businesses and OEMs pay. Plus the money they bring in from other things like Xbox.
>>338750086
That is essentially how Ubuntu earns money for canonical (though when I checked a few years back ubuntu was a money pit, but things may have changed) - they give the OS away but sell support contracts and whatnot.
>>338749830
https://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/details/1263324/gpu-memory-allocation-limit-on-directx9-windows-8
>>338749478
https://github.com/th3power/aegis-voat/archive/master.zip
>not just linking the github
>>338749642
Funny thing is they said the same thing about Vista, and look how long that lasted.
They aren't going to make future updates free forever like they claim. From a technical standpoint it would be impossible. But the real reason will be the fact they aren't going to give up those delicious shekels from Windows sales.
>>338750086
They're still losing a huge chunk of profit. If the claims of 200+ million Windows 10 users are true, and the average OS sells for like $100+, that is billions in lost profit.
Clearly they're not going to just throw away billions for nothing. They have some sort of plan in progress that will end up in them making much more profit.
>>338747789
I'm not saying MS isn't pushing 10 down people's throats, but isn't using a 4gb patcher the standard?
I've used it for new Vegas and skyrim when getting out of memory errors in win7 & 8.
>>338748249
>still buying every new piece of garbage because it's new.
>>338749905
>how the fuck are they going to make profit anymore if they're not selling OSes?
Selling your information to companies?
>>338748623
If you by accident upgrade, you can go into control panel -> security and update to roll back to the previously
>>338748623
disable wuaserv
>>338748623
download never10
dont have to worry about fucking with install updates
>>338747789
Weren't Bethesda games locked to 4gb anyway? So much that people had to patch it out?
>>338750286
I don't even remember the slightest rumour of vista going for rolling updates
Probably they'll sell upgrades - it'll be just the same OS all the way, probably gonna even copy the naming convention off Apple
There would be a lot of money saved for them if they only have to provide support for just one OS instead of several at once.
>>338747789
no thanks, with vulkan, we don't need dx12, it's basically the same shit but proprietary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_I8an8jXuM
look at that cpu usage
>>338748249
haha, fucking retard, opengl is as advanced as dx 11, the fuck are you talking about? your prolly too uneducated.
>>338750291
Note that they say users, not number of units sold. Very few individuals actually buy Windows, most people either have it pre-installed on their computer or just pirate it. Most of the money comes from selling licenses to businesses. The home market is all about selling Office.
I don't get it, you guys are literally getting a new OS for FREE and you don't want it?
You save like 200 quid
>>338750217
Wait, so the source on this is just a support ticket? Not trying to be a dick, but one dude's memory issues aren't necessarily indicative of MS gimping DX9. It seems like something they would do, but I'd be interested in seeing more substantial evidence.
>>338748623
That happened to my desktop a few days ago, except the second day I wasn't fast enough and woke up to it being 80% through the update process to become Windows 10.
Well played Microsoft.
>>338750508
Listen, Pajeet, I know its your job to shill things on here, but please try to gain a sense of humor.
>>338748623
>Why the fuck do they want me to upgrade that badly?
So they can datamine your information and sell it to advertisers who will then send your targeted ads within the OS
Microsoft no longer sell OS', now they sell you
>>338750618
>tfw can't get windows 10 for FREE because on linux and most recent version of windows you own is win95 and it won't let you upgrade to windows 10
it's not fair
>>338748623
>tfw I have never seen a single box demanding that I update to W10
Maybe it's because I disabled auto updates years ago.
Jokes on them, they can't update your computer if you just don't turn it on.
>>338747789
What about DX10?
>>338750807
Just pirate 7
>>338750618
A buggy spyware-ridden OS, what a wonderful chance.
>disabled automatic updates since two years ago
>MS never bothered me trying to install its botnet without my permission
>will stay on 8.1 forever
feels good man
>>338750618
I can give your wife a child for FREE and you don't want it?
You would be saving yourself from a lot of effort anon.
>>338750618
You're an idiot, have you never heard of the expression there's no such thing as a free lunch?
>>338750373
>spend $2k on a computer so you can play gamse released in 2005
>>338750898
>install OS
>turn off UAC
>turn off Updates
My routine since 2006.
Never fails, 8.1 works okay for now.
>>338750978
And what's wrong with that if the game is good? Does that hurt your consumer culture indoctrinated brain?
>>338748623
Turn off automatic updates.
Uninstall and hide KB3038853.
Did this a couple of months ago and haven't had anything about windows 10, system tray icon is gone.
They're cheeky cunts though, they republish KB3038853 every now and then to try and slip it past you.
I'm still using Windows 7 and my computer is fully updated.
>Not just not installing the W10 updates
>>338751082
This is fucking ridiculous. Why is it that we have to go out of our fucking way to NOT upgrade? How are they getting away with this?
>>338750745
I'm not trying to shill anything, microshit. It's funny, because if you read your manual you'd know not to slander opengl, it's a stupid practice. Cause opengl/vulkan is made by the Khronos Group, which is a consortium of companies including, but not limited to Microsoft, Nvidia, AMD.
Vulkan is the standart of today and the future, proprietary graphics api has no place in a gamer's life.
>>338750618
>paying for a OS
hello shill
no one in their right mind pays for a OS
I guess the reason I'm not getting these is because I haven't updated in like 2 months. I wonder if peoples systems got wiped because of the new OS install or how does it work? I would have been so pissed of that I would have shat and pissed all over the nearest microsofts office HQ.
>>338748249
>he doesn't glide
fuck off degenerate
>>338751187
Who will tell them no?
The internet police?
>>338747789
>Microsoft intentionally crippled DirectX 9 on Windows 10 to push DirectX 12
good, maybe now developers will finally start living in 2016
>>338751007
this
I don't understand the criticism against 8.1, it's basically 7 with better memory management, a better task manager and native ISO virtual mounting
yea there's the metro menu, which you can easily deactivate in the settings if you are not a retard
then there's Windows 10, Cortana is useless, "Virtual" Desktops are a fucking scam and the Start Menu is a piece of shit
>>338750508
>no thanks, with vulkan, we don't need dx12, it's basically the same shit but proprietary.
more like its the same shit but no one will use it as MS will pay devs to go dx12 exclusive. just get win 10 faggot. its literally free.
>>338750618
You can get AIDs for free too.
>using kebab currency
Don't you have a game of thrones reaction video to make or something?
>>338751198
In an ideal world, sure.
But then we have been under directx lockdown for decades.
>>338751198
>Vulkan is the standart of today
Seeing as exactly two games currently use it, that seems like a bit of a stretch.
I'm on their site right now trying to figure out how to actually contact customer support to tell them to eat a bag of dicks.
>>338750978
If i'd want a system without backward compatibility, I'd get a console.
>>338750978
I have a $70,000 car and still go for walks
Tough luck cuckieboys. Windows 10 WILL be installed on your system, and you WILL enjoy it.
>>338751308
It has its issues I'd say, but all in all it improves in places over 7 - but fails on other ones.
Honestly if you are happy on 7 I see no need to go onto 8.1, I just don't see the need to go back either.
>tfw pirated windows and it doesn't try to force me to upgrade
>>338751419
Why do you think that telling some minimum-wage customer service representative to eat a bag of dicks is going to accomplish anything?
>>338751601
Indeed - always make sure to ask for the manager first.
Won't accomplish more but atelast the CSR gets a breather and a laugh at his boss.
>>338751601
It's constructive feedback from their customers regarding their current business practices.
>5 years from now on
>win7 and win8.1 support dropped and don't even work on newer hardware and filled with issues
>most new games are UWP or dx12-only
>vulkan never took off
>none of the newer games work on Linux even with Wine due to bullshit
>Windows 10 still the latest windows that's just getting a bunch of updates rather than increment the version
will you still still be sticking to win7 by then?
>>338749905
Selling your info nigga. They already do it.
>>338751363
What ideal world?
Mobile all use opengl and will use vulkan.
Half of the consoles(if nintedo doesnt do a new console) use opengl and will use vulkan.
As well as macs will suport it.
Not only that, but windows 7 through 10 will support it as well.
We're not under "directx lockdown", it's just that devs are too lazy to develop for opengl, that means nothing most of the time, though as major engine makers do develop their engines for opengl, so in the end it doesn't matter. You can compare the list of games for Windows with the list of games for either Mac or Linux, they are getting bigger by the day.
I personally don't mind dx12, as it is the same thing as I said previously, but what I don't want is windows 10, I will never upgrade my win7, my next os upgrade will be to linux, the last time I gave up on linux, cause it didn't have codecs for hd video, that was when ubuntu was released I think or little before that.
>>338751750
Yes. No games released then will be worth playing anyway. I still have enough games to last me several lifetimes and that's just the PC library.
>wangblows 10
>>338751820
But I live in a country where the law states for someone to sell my information they have to explicitly contact me first and tell me the terms of the deal and then ask my permission to sell it.
I don't ever remember getting an email, letter or phone call from Microsoft asking me this kind of thing.
Updated to 10 six months ago, the world didn't end and everything works better and faster. Don't listen to all the paranoid retards spouting misinformation based on rumors and twisted facts
>>338751750
Probably yes.
And Valve will probably push their SteamOS if Microsoft is misbehaving again.
Honestly, the PS4, Xbone and Win10 altogether could not manifest a single game I MUST play in all this time.
I doubt they'll do so much better in the next 5 years that I would give up the freedom I have now.
>>338747789
This makes me happy
>>338751936
>GNU/Toejam
>>338751945
You're pretty fucking naive.
>>338751945
>But I live in a country where the law states for someone to sell my information they have to explicitly contact me first and tell me the terms of the deal and then ask my permission to sell it.
You honestly think they care? That is adorable
>windows updates
lol
>>338751945
I doubt your country would risk having themselves get banned from such giant like microsoft.
>>338751936
Year of Linux desktop fucking when? I'm tired of dualbooting.
>>338752103
>>338752053
>>338751945
>>338751820
>>338749905
>ITT: Paranoid kids
Microsoft isn't selling you're data you stupid fucks. We wouldn't do that.
>>338751838
Neat and logical on paper but when 99% of the relevant market is on windows, its logical to not bother with an opengl or vulkan version too.
These companies are saving money on everything and a version that brings in next to nothing is nipped into the bucket very fast.
So while Microsoft is baiting everyone with DX12 to get into their Win10 garden..... what is the competition?
Where is Vulkan being utilized while also offering an OS matching win7/8?
Who will make it?
Valve in Valve time?
>>338752103
>>338752176
This makes me VERY happy
>>338747789
>>338752220
have a (you)
>>338751950
>upgraded 6 months ago
> since then Win10 shilling propaganda just appears on my computer
>realized whenever I post one online I get 0.05 dollars in my bank account
>>338752186
Bad reply, there's no connection between windows and linux, linux is the superior operating system, just developers don't code for it as much as they do for windows, but it's slowly changing. Also linux is hard for some retards, but its way better in some ways.
>>338752176
My country sued the fuck out of Microsoft for hundreds of millions though.
>>338752376
t. microcuck
I have't =gmkl;,sdfklgkldf
I haven't updated my Win7 on my desktop and laptop for well over a year now. I had it set to only notify me that updates were available and that I had to manually download them myself.
Something strange happened last month though, and I swear Microsoft pulled a lever or pressed a big button somewhere:
My desktop is by no means a toaster, but I noticed some weird slowdown watching a Youtube video. Investigating it, I saw that a process called "svchost.exe" using half of my available RAM. Worse so than Pale Moon.
Discovered the process was related to the service "wuauserv" which is responsible for the Windows Update. I manually disabled that service, and sure enough "svghost.exe" shrunk immediately back down to 10-20 MB.
The issue popped up on my laptop about a day later. Sure enough, it was the same exact issue with svchost.exe, and wuauserv. Disabling it fixed it.
Mygirlfriend'scomputer suffered the same exact issue as well. Same method fixed it.
This thread will be dead by the time I post this, but if not, can ANYONE tech-literate explain what the fuck happened, and if it happened to anyone else with non-updated Windows 7 installs?
>>338752194
Linux is great for everything aside from content creation, gaming and CAD/engineering. Unfortunately that's what most people use desktops for.
>>338752359
>linux is the superior operating system
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Oh dear God, haven't laughed this hard in a while.
A patched up hackjob of standard-breaking shit that barely works properly half the time and needs a team of computer guru to fix it and can't even work on most hardware is the "best operating system"!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH THANK YOU ANON! I NEEDED A LAUGH!
>>338752376
Fuck off shill
just let it happen, it'll be over quick
Guys... I disabled automatic updates in august and haven't manually updated.
Should I be worried?
>>338752376
hi pajeet
>>338752263
You're retarded, a bigger part of the market is on opengl, just not in games, but a larger part than you think are also dx/opengl, you just don't know it, how do you know, have you checked for all games?
Overwatch, Diablo 3, Dota2, LoL are all games that support or are opengl.
So is every PS4 game. All ps3 and ps4 games support opengl. So do 3ds and wii games(i might be mistaken on the nintedo ones).
>Don't want MS to datamine me
>I use Outlook
Fug
>>338752742
>>338752617
>>338752547
Epic shitposts. I like it.
>>338752798
What does outlook do?
>>338752782
1. Nobody gives a shit about non-pc platforms, its meaningless in this discussion.
2. So? the second most supported OS is fucking OSX man, what a great alternative to Win10 right
>>338752376
You are fucking retarded if you believe in this shit. They want your information not because they want to fap to your pictures but because they will sell it to advertising and marketing companies.
>>338752557
Windows update hogging up RAM, probably to download windows 10, what's not to get.
I disabled updates a while ago, nothing like that happened.
>>338752852
botnet
>have windows 7
>it ends up updating to 10
>been using 10 for a few months now because don't feel like re-installing everything
I wondered why my modded skyrim dropped some frames when it upgraded. Is it really that bad or could Microsoft come out with a fix to increase memory used?
>>338752595
bit even if everything you said is true, it's still better than Windows 10 and Mac
and once gamers move to Linux en masse Linux will get better
let the console fags go to Windows 10
>>338752936
What's the best way to disable it?
I swear I've done it before, but after some time, it reinables itself again.
>>338752991
>could Microsoft come out with a fix
kek
>>338751945
You agreed to the EULA and the ToS. They can do whatever the fuck they want with the information.
>>338752948
>implying using any currency does not botnet you
>>338752595
Linux works on a lot more hardware than windows.
Most finished software works perfectly on linux, ie. it's not in a alpha.
Commercial software and games are growing on linux. Web devs have been developing on linux for ages, due to its superior server/db support.
I'm still trying to find an ide better than visual studio, but I'm finding it hard nowadays to find one that is as laggy as visual studio.
What windows is missing out of the box and will never have - screen cube, package manager, interconectivity with anything without proprietary drivers, no need for preinstallations(ie. no cluttering and shitfilling), good looks, nice community, tech-savvy community
why would you need more than 4gb of ram on a dx9 game? besides modded bethesda games
>>338753007
Wanna know a reason why linux will never be dominant?
Because it can't keep up with the hardware and with it's own bugs.
Nobody in his right of mind would want to game on something that is 5 years late in hardware support and needs patches upon patches upon manual fixes to function.
If i want to play i want to install the game and play, not having to dig for a fix for whatever the fuck one of 10000000 packages is doing that doesn't go well with the other.
Microsoft instead? Click->run
>>338752595
Dumb gamerfag detected. Linux is far, far superior to anything else aside from maybe BSD for servers and embedded systems. Unix systems are generally better for coding and software development. Linux has bretty good equivalents to general Office software. The only thing Microsoft has is DX, which gives them superiority in CAD and games.
>>338750618
And when you swap out enough hardware, you can't just install that free W10 but first have to install your old Windows and then "upgrade" again.
>>338747789
>If you "upgrade" to Windows 10, you will no longer be able to play heavily modded DirectX 9 games, like Skyrim.
I literally played a heavily modded skyrim on windows 10 yesterday
You are an absolute gobshite
>>338749364
>tfw haven't updated my Win7 for 2 years or so
did I do good?
>>338753129
Never had updating re-enabling itself.
For the Win10 notification, I heard good things about GWX Control Panel http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/
or maybe this, saw it posted earlier in the thread
https://github.com/th3power/aegis-voat
+ there are tons of win10 notification disablers, just check google.
>>338752902
>Most played AAA games support opengl.
>Some of them linux/macos.
>This isn't relevant to the discussion.
You don't need to port your game to linux or macos in order to use opengl, opengl is on windows as well and it works fine and it's as easier to develop for it as it is for dx. Also, for games that are also multiplats - dark souls, diablo 3, etc, it means that there is already an opengl version. SC2 too.
>>338751308
the best part about 8l.1 is how fucking fast it is.
My shit laptop has a boot up time of 25 seconds from on button to browsing the internet and I don't even have an SSD.
>>338753450
This, I upgraded my mobo and had to buy a fresh copy of Windows. Which is better honestly, a retail copy is probably better than an upgrade. Although there's still a lot of bloat which is retarded.
>>338751950
$0.02 has been added to your MS Wallet, Pavel.
>>338750448
>>338751820
There's fuckall money in selling info btw
>>338752991
Isn't this a problem with the games themselves? It's been a while since I've modded those games but I thought you needed to download a 4gb patch for beth games?
>>338753690
you don't seem to understand what it does during shut down and boot
it doesn't really shut itself off when you shut down, it's some weird hybrid sleep and hibernate
so when you boot up again of course it feels faster
>>338750923
>You're an idiot, have you never heard of the expression there's no such thing as a free lunch?
But there is
>>338753838
That's why the two information collecting giants, Google and Facebook, are struggling in the gutter.
>>338753435
Fun fact, many CAD softwares draw with opengl, but remain a windows-only software, cause due to market research they found out most potential users are using windows anyway.
>>338753418
That can easy change with Vulkan and Steam on linux, but I really don't care about linux, I don't care if I use dx12 or vulkan, but I don't want to use win10, win7 was a shit upgrade from my beloved xp and I hate it, I literally don't see a difference compared to xp, it's the same shit.
someone post the screencaps of the guy from some 4chan board who claimed he worked on win10 and they did not know what they were doing
>>338753973
Really? I even hear the HDD platter stop and click into the stop position when I shut down.
I guess it makes sense though.
>>338753838
false, you would know this if you worked in a company that specializes in sending out not only spam but the kind of flyers and ads you see crammed in your mailbox
thank fuck I'm out of there
*unsheathes gwx.exe*
you don't stand a chance, grandpa
*teleports behind you and installs Windows 10*
heh, nothing personnel
*it was a recommended update*
>>338747789
Good thing I click "cancel or reschedule" like someone who's not a dumbass
Fuck this gay ass Metro bullshit.
>>338753683
Yes, all irrelevant as long as performance is negatively impacted.
Which it is.
And moving to another OS will also do that, because they can't support all hardware nearly as well as a company giant like MS could, because our gpu drivers aren't pushed out day 1 onto any other OS.
And because theres a thousand more ways to throw something into your wheels and make you fall over before you get to your "ideal OS with vulkan support"
Also if you can't read - don't reply either, because your last green line did not come out of my posts.
>Implying the big bad boogeyman doesn't already have all the data they want on you from your smartphone, your "off the grid" computer, your Google/Bing/whatever searches, etc.
Just upgrade already and get it over with, we already know everything about you.
>>338754358
If ya wouldn't be a dumbass you would never've gotten the suggestion either.
>last update was august 2015
>>338753353
>linux
>nice community
>any question you ask they answer with rtfm
>they don't even pointer where in the fucking manual that particular clause is
Did you try anything that jetbrains have churned out? Their PHP and Java IDEs are a blessing from higher beings. Holy shit.
>>338749654
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36367221
>>338750618
>free
this free has a massive price tag though.
the most obvious are
>they monitor what you do
>they display ads based on that data
>they sell your data to companies
Also you as a non company are basically beta testing Windows 10 for the business versions. So there's a real chance there especially if you use exotic hard/software that someday and update will brick your PC. And there's nothing you can do about it because Windows 10 only listens to Microsoft, not to it's user.
We also don't know what Microsoft is planning for the future, but as of right now it looks like Microsoft has the potential to go full apple style walled garden with windows 10. So there might be some additional costs in the future, like special versions of apps for a higher price, upgrade fees, monthly fees etc etc...
If you install Windows 10, you surrender your PC and your Data to Microsoft.
>>338750618
Why would you willingly discard this amazing piece of programming for something that looks like a glass window?
>>338751308
The same argument can be said about Windows 10 but hey just call me a shill and ignore everything.
>>338748249
Designated street shitter found
>>338754370
>Yes, all irrelevant as long as performance is negatively impacted.
It's not, though, opengl games don't run worse than dx games, they run the same.
>because our gpu drivers aren't pushed out day 1 onto any other OS.
Microsoft doesn't develop gpu drivers, vendors do - Nvidia, AMD and Intel.
>ideal OS with vulkan support
Ideally I want to remain in w7 for a few years, then move to linux with a steamos boot or something wacky like that. Literally the only reason I'm not moving to linux right now is visual studio and solidworks, not some stupid games. I play diablo 2 and dota2 from time to time and some new games. But I'm pretty okay with dropping new games if they are win10 exclusives.
As someone who games both on Arch Linux and Windows 10, here are the problems I've discovered with Linux gaming that need to be fixed before widespread adoption can happen.
>Needs more games. (This is getting better though) Wine is still hit or miss and fails at 64 bit applications.
>GPU issues with DE's, almost never plug and play. Need to write scripts to get most DE's to stop screen tearing
>Nvidia proprietary drivers dominate Linux because AMD doesn't support the latest version of OpenGL. With Vulkan this will matter less but it's still worth noting that as an AMD user you will typically be at a performance disadvantage.
>ALI/Crossfire support is virtually nonexistent. Don't even try. Screen tearing/stuttering out the ass, almost zero game support. It sucks on Windows but it's worthless on Linux. If you have multiple GPU's sell one or set up a VM with passthrough.
>Cool Nvidia/AMD features like downsampling typically aren't supported even with proprietary drivers.
>Good luck with nonstandard hardware like Freesync/gsync monitors or weird laptop tech. My bluetooth controller still doesn't work with Steam despite them saying they would add SteamOS support in January.
>Even good ports generally don't have mod support, even if they supported mods in Windows. 3rd party mods like SweetFX sort of work in Wine, but there's really no direct equivalents to a lot of popular Windows software.
VISTA WINS AGAIN BABY
>>338754652
>not spoonfeeding every retard means that somebody is not nice
Nice newage problems, sjw liberal shitter.
>>338752220
Hi Bill Gates. If I install Windows 10 will you buy me the new Doom?
>>338753690
That's because Windows 8 dumps some data on your RAM when shutting down as far as I know.
RAM ofc is a fuckton faster than an HDD, so it takes a lot less time to boot.
>>338750508
OpenGL is shit mate.
>>338749116
This thread is for the people that believe every lie they read on the internet. Find a different one.
>>338747789
I was forced to upgrade because I fell for skylake meme :c
>>338755063
I doubt that the manual has every workaround for very specific issues.
Like some packages randomly breaking/removing your ethernet/wireless drivers.
>>338749478
>voat
Might as well link to /g/.
>>338754969
In case you use AMD on Linux, use the community drivers. They're better than the proprietary ones
>>338754969
Really, theres a gigantic ecosystem of stuff that relies on Windows being the one platform it is all on.
In the worst case this'll force us onto a pile of shit like win10
But even in the best case it just fragments the market and we'll need a decade until shit comes together again.
Log onto Xbox app because I had to check something, sets computer password to my xbox password
>>338754505
>last update was never
>disabled action center
>>338755063
(not the same anon)
Installed lubuntu on laptop, on FF webms (and other embedded stuff) didn't work, needed to toggle a FF config but doing so broke flash (youtube videos).
No answer found, all posts from 2013-2014 at best, all pointed towards older versions of FF or told to install packages i already had (and the very first version to boot, not even the updated ones)
Now the laptop has died for good (was kinda old) but sure as hell i'm not trying linux again
>>338754337
>*it was a recommended update*
>>338755696
It specifically asks you if you want that. While it is retarded and annoying that they're trying to tie your PC account to your XBox account, you're equally retarded for not paying attention for what you're doing with your computer.
>>338747789
>going above win7
topkek
it's win7 or no windows at all
linux looks more and more interesting, vulkan will also help alot
>>338747789
>It works fine on Windows 7, but Microsoft intentionally crippled DirectX 9 on Windows 10 to push DirectX 12, which is Win10 exclusive.
>If you "upgrade" to Windows 10, you will no longer be able to play heavily modded DirectX 9 games, like Skyrim.
Source: Your ass
do i have to format all my HDD to whatever linux partition or can i just partition my OS instead?
>>338748623
So glad I'm not a tech retard and learn to read changelogs. Kill yourself.
>>338747789
Yeah, I saw this when I tested my VRAM with this enb vram+ram testing tool. On Windows 7 I get around 11GB Vram+Ram but on Windows 10 I only got 4GB
>>338750903
>raising someone elses child
C
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>>338752693
You have updates beyond KB3038853 so find it and delete it.
Otherwise no you are ok.
>>338756315
Nobody said I would raise him, its just a free kid for you.
Its FREE, how could it be bad?
>>338748623
>Why the fuck do they want me to upgrade that badly?
M$ makes money off of Win10 users due to built in spyware
>>338750676
if you google
"gpu memory allocation limit directx9 windows 8"
you will know people get
D3DERR_OUTOFVIDEOMEMORY
error when vram usage exceed 4GB
>>338747789
>Pester users for months to switch to Windows 10
>They say "No" again and again
>Force the upgrade unless they use some third party tools to disable it
This seems flat-out illegal.
>>338749905
I guess we'll find out once they reach their 1billion doomsday mark.
I suspect they'll just roll out ads to everyone or something. You can't even stop it if they wanted to, microsoft can make any update mandatory now and the only way to stop them on windows 10 is to not connect to the internet
>>338747789
>believing things you read on /v/
>believing things you read on /v/ with no source
>>338756495
They are above the law
>>338756205
You don't have to format the whole thing, your distro installler will let you manually partition it so you can have multiple OS's on the same drive. Just be careful you don't accidentally your whole hard drive.
Also remember to always install Windows first.
Windows Vista and DX10 came out 10 years ago. DX9 is not important to anyone any more.
>>338750768
they do that on win 7 and 8.1 too genius
>>338752376
(you)
>>338756671
And Windows Vista and DX10 were never important to anyone ever.
>>338749905
Google makes billions with just a fucking search engine.
Imagine what a company would pay to know every program installed on your computer, every word you've ever typed on any website you've ever visited, when you're on your computer, if you paid for the software you're using, and a million other potential uses from having constant status updates sent back to MS HQ.
I'd rather burn my fucking computer and live innawoods than upgrade to 10.
>>338756261
Yes, that's exactly what I did yesterday. And the "windows 10 upgrade in 8 minutes" thing still popped up today. Fuck off.
>>338756690
They're showing me targeted ads on 7?
Where?
>using more than 4GB vram anyway on DX9
>skyrim
Yeah, keep trying to find a reason cucks.
>>338756738
It's kinda funnyseeing so many games on Steam that require either DX9 or DX11. It's like developers just skipped DX10. I imagine it will be similar with DX12 to an extent. Square Enix is playing it smart by adding optional DX12 support.
>>338754704
I don't see the big deal. They have my data, they throw a small, barely noticeable ad I only see when I bring up the task bar menu. There are small bugs here and there, but I have had no issues with Win10, it plays my vidya perfectly fine and runs the programs I need perfectly fine as well.
>but muh data
Keep tipping your aluminum fedoras
>>338756943
Well it brought very little to the table.
>>338753973
>>338755226
Actually windows 8+ just has a faster boot time
http://www.techspot.com/review/561-windows8-vs-windows7/page2.html
>>338756775
They make billions with AdSense, which helps advertisers (With easy, cheap, widespread ads), small websites (With ad revenue cuts) and themselves (Obvious reasons).
Their money all comes from adsense pretty much and also Nexus and Play Store sales, I guess, but they aren't worth much
>>338756261
I have some bad news for you anon...
hope you enjoy windows 10!
>>338751007
>Turn off UAC
I remember when everyone used to recommend that, /g/ included, because it's annoying and doesn't actually do much anyway. Then a few years ago I saw a bunch of people on /g/ saying that not using UAC is retarded.
>>338750826
I didn't disable all updates on my desktop until after this shit started happening and I still never got it.
Had to delete the GWX.exe bullshit from my laptop but that was before it started trying to force upgrades.
>>338747789
In which way does directx12 get pushed if games that don't support it, nor are to be supported forever as they are very old and use outdated, buggy technology?
Let me tell you a new one.
Sega Saturn intentionally cripples megadrive games, as it does not have a compatible cartridge slot.
>>338757428
So /g/ became stupid a few years ago just like this entire site.
Makes complete sense - people who cant handle their computers should never turn it off.
To this day I regret turning it off once for my dad.
>>338747789
Name one D3D9 game besides Skyrim that uses more than 4GB
>>338747789
>DirectX 9 games on Windows 10 (and 8) cannot use more than 4gb memory.
In fact, Directx9 games on windows 7 don't even use directx9, as it is a legacy product and it is only emulated, which is what has caused bugs for people that got fixed sometimes and others not.
>>338748249
> talking shit about opengl
It's a mess of an API but OGL4.5 has the same features that D3D11 has
>>338757323
They also charge to lift limits from their API, more space in your google disk and custom domain for your gmail address.
It's amazing how much google achieved in only 20 years.
Fucking hilarious seeing all these delusional tinfoil hatting dips still trying to preach sourceless bullshit.
As if any agency or software service doesn't already monitor you and your shit, that phone you use everyday yeah..
I think it's just salty poorfags with toasters in the end who are upset over this shit.
I've yet to see any ads or issues with 10 after upgrading and I was one stayed with 7 for the longest.
>>338757428
Vista stigma
Vista asked you for everything, 7 was a lot better at knowing when to ask
People still shit on Vista when it was pretty good after SP2
>>338748249
Let's see, I got six (You)s, not as much as I hoped but it'll do I guess.
>>338748623you should at least upgrade once, then roll back to 7, so you'll have reserved the upgrade in the off-chance you ever do in the future decide to upgrade, because if you don't by july it'll have to be a paid upgrade
>>338747789
Huh, that suddenly explains why I've been having problems with Path of Exile on Windows 10 with my current settings.
Had to reduce the amount of stuff it holds onto in memory despite me having 32GB of ram, because it kept crashing when I ran mapworks for awhile.
>>338758080
>I was one stayed with 7 for the longest.
Hah!
Still windows 7 here.
>>338747789
Wait, I can't play modded Skyrim on Win10?
>>338758129
>because if you don't by july it'll have to be a paid upgrade
They're going to extend the time, just you watch they're fucking desperate to get people to upgrade
Why wont you update? Havent we been through enough? Its not fair, all we want is to make a profit sharing your information. Please update
>>338747789
>If you "upgrade" to Windows 10, you will no longer be able to play heavily modded DirectX 9 games, like Skyrim.
You wot m8? I played a lot of heavily modded Skyrim on Win10 with no issues. Well, no more than the usual at least.
>>338756943
A lot of DX11 games could run on DX10 cards with reduced features
>>338758125
Please don't antagonize the autists.
This is a safe space
Well, I tried getting one of the processes over 4GB but I couldn't. As a matter of fact I had trouble getting both combined over 4 at all, which is weird. I hit once 1.4GB on TESV.exe and 2.8GB on enbhost.exe, and that was the highest.
I guess most RAM problems with Skyrim are long-term memory leaks.
This was my first running Skyrim on Win10 anyway, this installation had been untouched since late October of last year, and it ran perfectly.
At any rate, I wouldn't write off the possibility of MS having fucked up something, they are often careless and uncaring when it comes to backwards compatibility, but this thread is obviously alarmist Linuxfag bullshittery.
>>338747789
> If you "upgrade" to Windows 10, you will no longer be able to play heavily modded DirectX 9 games, like Skyrim.
completely false, i recently re-installed skyrim with about ~80 mods and it works fine
I want to play KI on win 10
How can I VM or DB or make another partition?
I want to keep win 7 still not fully give into win 10, i just want win 10 for one fucking game.
If it wasn't for games i'd be using linux years ago.
>>338747789
thank god I got my windows 7 disk for install. fuck this shit im downgrading now
>>338758396
>that 6
and I don't mean the one on your post anon
>>338758396
I get over 10gb ram usage when I play Skyrim
>>338758475
Upgrade and block the following through your router.
vortex.data.microsoft.com
vortex-win.data.microsoft.com
telecommand.telemetry.microsoft.com
telecommand.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com
oca.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
sqm.telemetry.microsoft.com
sqm.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
watson.telemetry.microsoft.com
watson.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
redir.metaservices.microsoft.com
choice.microsoft.com
choice.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
df.telemetry.microsoft.com
reports.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
services.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
sqm.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
telemetry.microsoft.com
watson.ppe.telemetry.microsoft.com
telemetry.appex.bing.net
telemetry.urs.microsoft.com
telemetry.appex.bing.net:443
settings-sandbox.data.microsoft.com
vortex-sandbox.data.microsoft.com
survey.watson.microsoft.com
watson.live.com
watson.microsoft.com
statsfe2.ws.microsoft.com
corpext.msitadfs.glbdns2.microsoft.com
compatexchange.cloudapp.net
cs1.wpc.v0cdn.net
a-0001.a-msedge.net
statsfe2.update.microsoft.com.akadns.net
sls.update.microsoft.com.akadns.net
fe2.update.microsoft.com.akadns.net
diagnostics.support.microsoft.com
corp.sts.microsoft.com
statsfe1.ws.microsoft.com
pre.footprintpredict.com
i1.services.social.microsoft.com
i1.services.social.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
feedback.windows.com
feedback.microsoft-hohm.com
feedback.search.microsoft.com
134.170.30.202
137.116.81.24
204.79.197.200
23.218.212.69
65.39.117.230
>M$ artificially limits how much memory DX9 games can use
that's so M$ can sell you "HD Remaster" versions of DX9 games on the Windows App Store that do nothing besides unlock the dx9 limiter they put in place.
>linuxfags still upset
aww poor babbies :(((
>>338753435
>dumb gamerfag detected
>he says this as he's on fucking /v/
Get the fuck out of here you /g/ autist
>>338758685
Holy shit.
>Want to get a new laptop
>Literally every one comes with windows 10
>Some don't even have drivers for windows 7 anymore
>>338758475
>or make another partition
EaseUS Partition Master
>tfw still on win7 because the win 10 upgrade notification never ever came up
>>338748623
how can so many people get this but not me? I own 4 running windows 7 pc's, 3 of them are up-to-date with the OS, so why have I never experienced this focred windows 10 update?Is it because I live in germany?
Hey guys i dont into computer very much
Why window 10 so bad??
>>338758475
Dual booting Windows 7 and 10 is easy, both have UEFI support and use NTFS partitions (which means you can share files easily) and Windows Boot Manager is good at recognizing other Windows partitions. (It's shit at identifying anything else). I'm not sure how to do VM with GPU passthrough on Windows 7, almost every guide is for Linux. UnRAID is a great paid solution but that's probably not what you want.
>have win7
>leave PC on for torrents and go to bed
>wake up
>welcome to windows 10
>canceling and recovering win7 takes 30 minutes
Installed Never10 the instant I logged on.
What? I got Win10 and a HEAVILY modded skyrim. Take the tin foil hat off OP, it's just a operating system update. It would have been a Service Pack if everyone didn't shit on Windows 8
>>338758396
yo that game is 32 bit so it cant use more memory. blame the devs more than microsoft.
This shit is ridiculous. It downloaded the files without even asking.
>>338758129
>if you don't by july it'll have to be a paid upgrade
I assume it will still be piratable. If not then it's Linux any way. Fuck Windows 10.
>>338758947
Fucking Xavier
