*presses LShift*
You sure you're not confusing it with *presses E*,kid?
>>338707843
might be
I dont know which the flashbang is, I don't play mccree
>>338708245
You should try. He's fun.
>>338708275
but if i want brainless combos for brainless kills ill just playpyro
>>338708334
Ah, so you're THAT type, I see now.
>>338708334
>pyro
people still comparing OW to TF2?
why it isnt even played the same the heroes are off and comparing hanzo to the lucksman is pure bs.
lucksman / huntsman is a weapon of luck and managin to do good with it is hard. Same goes for Hanzo but his bow can do far more...
like his ulti.
>>338707614
*presses left click*
*gets play of the game*
>>338708674
oh oh iho iih he hiii iiiih
>>338707614
"hang on, let me just stand perfectly still in plain view of 4 enemies with a nice loud callout, i'm sure that'll go over well"
>>338708674
>dying to bastion
You can only blame yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlS-VtssopY
>>338708657
there are obvious comparisons, but they arent mirror images by any means
unfortunetly ow doesnt have enough depth to make it last
>damage falloff
when does it start and what is max range?
>>338708768
You have no idea how much I'd barter for a useful widowmake ON MY TEAM FOR ONCEr that could stop most obvious. loud ults
>>338708768
>implying his ult is what makes him OP
He literally has a guaranteed kill button.
Press e then shift then right mouse button.
Bam, free kill.
Now just wait for the cooldown and repeat.
>>338708805
well blizzard is blizzard and see how hearthstone turned out
>>338707614
>try out Mcree in the arcade mode brawl
>rolling everywhere and flashbanging people like there's not tomorrow
I think I'm in love.
>>338708334
Just don't play that way then. McCree is arguably better if you're good at clicking on heads at medium range and only using the combo stuff if you have to. There's nothing more satisfying then deleting Tracer with two shots.
>>338708919
It's a class-based team-based game. You're not supposed to be able to 1v1 every hero with your "main".
It's McCrees role to shut down anyone in close quarter combat.
>about to kill reaper
>presses left shift
remind me why I bought this?
>>338708919
He's not saying that his ult is OP, he's saying that anyone with half a brain could avoid the ult since he's so vulnerable and loud
Learn to read please.
>>338708919
naw man i know. his problem is that he's so fucking simple that, depending on damage numbers, will always be either god-tier or absolute garbage.
>>338709042
>y
Mercy's Rez range needs a severe nerf. McCree that got waxed by me gets rezzed nearly a mile away from where Mercy was, then "lolgg" stun/hammer combos everyone into oblivion.
>>338709091
kek
>>338708797
I got a quintuple kill using D.va's special. I don't think le die die die man is that OP.
>>338708334
>pyro
>TF2
>>338709021
It's also his role to pump out consistent mid range damage and snipe people from long range with his ultimate
>>338709034
>avoid the ult
You don't need to avoid it, just kill the slowly walking glowing le high noon man.
Good McRees can do the wombo combo and also outshoot people midrange with their regular revolver shots.
>>338709128
pyro takes skill
>>338709286
possibly, but its the least skillful of the classes
>>338707614
Fanning the hammer needs nerf. Mei's range on freezing needs nerf. Bastion's turret mode needs more spread. Zenyatta needs at least 25 more health. Did I miss anything?
>>338709139
His ultimate is hot garbage unless your team makes an opportunity for you to use it. His midrange damage is solid, but Soldier will outgun him at midrange every time due to no falloff. McCree has his niche.
>>338709336
Fanning the hammer is ok. His mid-long range damage output needs a nerf.
>>338708919
It's a team-based game.
Lion in Dota 2 can just press R then click somebody to instantly kill a huge portion of the cast at level 6. And that's not including the damage from his stun if he stuns you. Not everybody is supposed to be equal 1v1 in these types of games. It's not a fighting game.
>>338709336
stop running around solo as genji and go help the team instead of trying to get your KDA up
>>338709145
>playing on that one payload map with the foliage at the end
>I ult while standing behind it since it's doesn't count as blocking but McCree's ult still locks on through it
>mfw High Noon like 4 guys behind a bush they can't see me through
>>338709425
Okay I'd actually nerf flashbang a little bit then. Maybe half a second less stun?
>>338709336
Zenyatta is fine, he's pretty strong already in good hands.
>>338709336
D.va needs everything
>>338709479
Then it would be a 0 second stun.
>>338709474
But I mainly play a tank or Zenyatta depending on what my team needs. Every game seems to be 5 dps and me being a tank or healer trying to keep shit together.
>>338709461
theres hard counters, and then there's a press of a button
>>338709504
I agree. I just don't like the combination of needing LoS to using his orbs and widowmaker one shotting him with a body shot. Maybe take 25 damage off of widowmaker's 100% charged shots?
>>338709021
so much for reaper
heh watch this kid
*spins around
DIE DIE DIE...
*kills eveyrone with dual shotgunz*
heh that was easy...
*turns into a ghost and soars away*
>>338709539
really? i've been getting pretty good spreads of 2 tanks, 3 damage, and myself as mercy or lucio. i did end up on a team of 4 people OLOLOL WINSTON STRAT xD but that's the only garbage i found
>>338709390
>but Soldier will outgun him at midrange every time due to no falloff.
Soldier 76 has falloff - all the hitscan "gun" classes do (except for Widowmakers assault rifle for some odd reason). At medium range Soldier's advantage has more to do with his speed (wiggling soldier is hard to hit sometimes), heal and burst damage from his rocket. That said, if McCree can click on heads then he can still win almost any offense vs offense 1v1 seemingly out of nowhere.
what's this mcgree combo I keep reading about? I just got the game, still in training mode testing every hero and its abilities
where's the cheapest place to buy this in the UK? can you only buy it from battlenet?
>>338709510
How? She's not really bad if you know how to use her. It's super easy to get multikills by boosting then using her ultimate. Boosting into people then meleeing them is also pretty effective.
>>338709504
>support that's expected to be near the frontlines to be effective
>has a massive hitbox and the least health in the game and zero mobility
>fine
He dies to a charged widow bodyshot, he is not fine. Why does fucking Lucio get 200 HP, constant regen, a speedboost and wallrunning while Zen has fucking nothing to help keep himself alive? Even Mercy can fly around a little.
>>338709474
>stop running around solo as genj
But that's what Genji is supposed to do.
You flank and harass enemies, leaving them with a choice to either turn back on the rest of your team, or risk their health being whittled down by your shurikens.
You charge your ult with harassment, then disappear letting the enemy team forget about you, and then you cut them to pieces when they're busy dealing with your team's attack.
>>338709662
Key sites but its shady
>>338707614
ITS HIG-
IT-
ITS HIG NO-
ITS HIGH NO-
>process repeats
>>338709643
you press E and then you right click on the head
>>338709531
>Stun Time: .7 second
Wow I didn't think it was that short... maybe just reduce it .2 seconds. It's just slightly too long.
>>338708674
Played for almost 7 hours straight once the servers went up and only saw one Bastion PotG, and it was someone on my team.
I generally make short work of Bastions.
>tfw still can't get the hang of McCree even though I want to play him a lot more
>tfw my friends make me tank all the time since I'm good at them
>tfw just wanna be a cowboy
>>338709613
Reaper is still a better tank-buster if they have more than one, and especially if they have more than two. McCree can blow up any tank in isolation but if you're playing KotH and getting piledrived by monkeys then Reaper's sustained close range damage is going to be a lot better.
>>338709613
Reaper isn't a frontline fighter. He's more of a tankier and slower spy/scout. You can't oneshot people with your shotguns, you have to catch them off guard and be able to get a few free meatshots on them.
>>338709727
Don't need a tank when the whole other team is dead anon.
>>338709727
>mfw my life is the same
>>338709710
>right click on the head
Fan the Hammer can never headshot. Aim center mass.
best class that is credit to team for a total beginner?
>>338709817
Lucio is pretty helpful even if you're bad and he's very powerful if you're good. No team will ever be upset that you picked Lucio because every team needs at least Mercy or Lucio.
>>338709817
Lucio
You benefit the team just by being near them and alive, if you can shoot some people that's icing.
>>338709815
>Fan the Hammer can never headshot
I'm pretty sure that's wrong.
>>338709817
probably zarya. shield yourself, shield your allies, right click for big aoe damage, set up your team to murder them with your ult
>>338709817
Lucio if you need a healer. 76 if you need dps (and he has pretty good heals too desu). If you suck don't be a tank. Nothing sucks like a bad tank.
>>338709862
>Mercy or Lucio
Being Symmetra or Zenyatta is suffering
Why is nobody playing Junkrat? I've been getting PotG since the servers went live on maybe every third match, just from spamming bombs in the general direction of a chokepoint.
The bear trap is a free kill, the mine has a short enough cooldown to be used basically as a main weapon and you can't get close to me because fuck, I'll just ALLAHU AKBAR us both anyway.
AND his Ult is a Team Kill by itself if you know where you're putting it.
>>338709945
Blame Tracer and Genji, since they were so good with healing orb or armor that Blizzard had to nerf Zen and Symmetra.
>>338709662
Good ol' Tesco my chum, I already have a £6 voucher from buying whiskey with that shit Tesco card thing, it's gonna be £40+ everywhere, It's £42 at Tesco
>>338709817
bastion or lucio
>>338709915
No, it absolutely cannot headshot. It's still 70 damage per hit at close range, so it doesn't need to headshot to kill almost anything.
If it could headshot you could kill Reinheart with a single FtH without even having to roll-reload and do it again, and since most tanks have huge heads it wouldn't even be hard.
>>338709921
>Zarya
>beginner friendly
No. You need to constantly keep your energy high, otherwise you're better off just playing Rein and holding down rmb for the whole match.
>>338709989
i was wondering the same. i always do well with the guy, and the few that i see are scary as all hell.
>>338710014
They're both still amazing in the right hands. There is a reason why competitive teams are running Zenyattas even with the nerf.
>>338709989
Literally every match has a Junkrat/Mei on the team.
>>338710030
Hm, you might be right, the wiki says the same.
But I could swear I've seen the red headshot indicator when I used it. Maybe they changed it or something.
>>338709989
Does he have any good skins? I think he's a solid (hero?) (character?) (soldier?), and has a noice potential with swanky plays
>>338710034
>>338709921
Zarya is definitely not a beginner character. Her entire playstyle is about balanced aggression, game sense, and knowing who can do what to whom at any given moment so you can counter it with the right timing. A new player's not even going to know what everyone can do much less when they're going to do it. Also, her laser's not the easiest thing to aim since it's pretty much just a point target hitscan.
>>338709474
>killing the enemy doesnt help your team
Spot the "pybro"
Buffs and nerfs needed:
Bastion: Not able to turret on top of moving objective
Mercy: Revives herself too
Symmetra: Ceiling turrets should be visible with sniper chick ult
Its what I have so far.
>>338710090
The only niche Zen has now is making a single target dead very quickly with Discord. He's great as a counter to the monkey, who is also very popular in comp for his disruptive potential.
>>338709325
I'd argue that heavy takes less since you just hold down left click and medics just magnetise to you and providing you actually play the game you can unlock an item that heals most of you or your medics HP.
>>338710101
Literally zero matches I've been in have a Junkrat before I pick him, and I've been waiting since the end of the timer just to see if anyone wants him. But I'm on EU so maybe we're just shitty over here.
>>338710102
If you played in very early beta and MAYBE the first stress test a bunch of things could still headshot that can't anymore. Even Zarya could headshot at the very start of the beta, shit was so dumb. I'm pretty sure that was changed by the first stress test though.
I made this mistake myself for a while but believe me you'd hear a LOT more bitching if FtH could headshot. You could just throw out stupid yolo right clicks and hope one of them randomly plinks the head and get kills basically for free at medium range.
>>338710164
Literally kill yourself on the first two, Symettra I could agree on.
>>338709336
damage dropoff on mei's right click
buff pherra to 150 health/50 armor
make junkrat's mine do damage to himself
increase damage on winston's ult
buff 76's ammo to 30 rounds
give reinhardt a quick melee
increase spread on widow's auto rifle mode and charge time on sniper mode
increase lucio's rate of fire
increase mercy's rate of fire
reduce spread on dva's mech guns
>>338710164
>Mercy: Revives herself too
That is easily the dumbest suggestion I have ever read.
>tfw you high noon at the same time as an enemy McCree does and kill him first
>>338710164
>Mercy revives herself too
that is unbelivably retarded and op, the only thing that makes her ult balanced is the fact that it cant do that
Bastion is already one of the worst heroes in the game
>>338710236
Maybe it's because I played the minute servers went up and everyone I played with knew the beta inside and out. But literally every team has a Junk/Mei combo. They may be defensive characters but they do way better than most offense characters and do not die.
![[screaming internally].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VC9pycJ.jpg "[screaming internally].jpg")
>>338709989
>never played Overwatch
for a odd reason, i can't get my mind off RoadHog once i see Overwatch gameplay,
>Soaring across the map as Mercy
>Those bone-snapping noises when you hit or kill somebody with your hammer as Reinhardt (occasionally followed by double/triple/etc kill)
Is there anything more satisfying?
>>338710404
Do you want him to goosh goosh your boyhole
>>338710403
For real. Junkrat's my main now I think. Haven't seen a single Mei yet. Not one.
>>338710330
>damage dropoff on mei's right click
It does, though. It actually has more aggressive falloff than McCree, it goes down from 75 to only 22 at max range.
>give reinhardt a quick melee
Since quick melee allows you to animation cancel any other previous action that would be really broken. He could do 105 burst damage basically in an instant.
>>338710164
Nah to all of those. You have no idea what balance is.
>>338710476
mei is like a slightly slower to the draw mcree what with the freezing you and ice spike headshots.
survivability is nice though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWIYYDCZ7YU
>>338710481
The simple solution is to make Reinhardt's left click not melee-cancelable.
>>338707614
>tfw playing as medic in tf2 was satisfying and its actually rewarding through helping your team
>now playing as mercy i feel like healslut and constantly have to run away from rapes because mercy can't defend herself for shit
>>338710462
Oh god no,
its just weird how fat characters easily become my favorite out of that game/show.
>>338710529
She does do 75 instead of 70, though, which means 150 headshots which means one-shotting Tracer if you randomly land one. It's actually a big deal sometimes.
It also means she completely shits on Zenyatta, but that's hardly noteworthy.
>>338710585
What's the point of it then? If you can't melee quickly it's not a quick melee, and you're just swinging for less damage after the same delay.
Honestly I don't see why he even needs one. Rein's melee is already crazy good.
>>338710481
>He could do 105 burst damage basically in an instant.
so when reinhardt does it its broken but when roadhog does it it's by design?
>>338710330
Just fix the damn netcode and half of these things won't be problems. You have no idea how many times I get killed as pharah when I'm already in the air, but the game was so laggy that I was basically afk on the ground and an easy kill.
>overwatch is so cool yay megusta new better tf chichi
braindead game for brainded failures of real fps games
>>338710685
Yes because Roadhog is largely shite in every other area. He moves slower than Rein, can't stay alive and is the world's biggest target.
>>338710685
Roadhog doesn't have a mobility option and no giant fucking shield. His close range burst DPS and high health are all he has going for him.
>>338709336
I agree with none of those.
>Fanning
Only usable if McCree sits RIGHT in your face. Keep some range on him and he is mostly harmless. If he runs away into a building, for the love of good don't chase, He will sit around the first corner with his stun ready.
>Mei's freezing
I don't think so. Either use a movement ability to get away from her or shoot her in the face, Usually you can force her into her Iceblock, she is quite squishy. Same rule as for McCree. Don't run right up to her, that's where she is most dangerous. (you wouldn't stay in an open field when a Sniper sits on a tower, so why hug a close quarter fighter?)
>Bastion Spread
I know it's sometimes annoying when you get caught off guard by a bastion but really that should only happen once at best. Bastion has one thing he does well: Deny an Area by laying down hell downrange. Don't step into that area if you want to live Nigga! Most people fail here because they're too much in the mentality of "I picked this hero so I'm staying with him" This is the time to switch to a different hero!
>Use Reapers TP to shoot him in the back,
>Snipe him with Widowmaker
>Lay down some explosive whoop-ass with Junkrat or maybe Pharah.
If you're D.Va you can hold your E out while you fly into him. Or just plain throw your ult at him. If he's shitty you can usually get an easy kill thanks to Genjis deflect.
Basically: If Bastion is racking up kills, that means someone is playing like a god damn retard and just keeps running into him DSP style and then yelling "THIS IS BULLSHIT".
Remember for Overwatch: If something doesn't work out? Switch it up!
>Zenyatta
Sounds reasonable enough actually, alltough I'm not sure if it's really needed.
>>338710672
Useful for finishing off someone who isn't high enough to warrant a slow melee I guess?
>>338710685
Roadhog's combo is the only thing he has going for him. 90% of the time he's a liability to your team because he's just a big fat ult-charging battery for the enemy to build off of. He doesn't actually prevent damage the way all the other tanks do.
There's a reason why Reinhardt is the "standard" tank choice you usually build around. Blocking damage is always better than healing it after the fact in this game.
>>338709715
I played for 3 hours and saw at least 5 bastion PotGs. That said, it does seem way more even. I saw a Symmetra and a few Mercy ones for the first time. I also got one as D.Va because self destruct triple kill into team wipe with pistol. Most of the people I saw getting PotG did deserve it though.
>>338707614
Which one is the most embarrasing?
>DIE, DIE, DIIAAAGHGG
>I GOT CHUU IN MY SIAFHASFH
>JUSTICE RAINS FROM AAAAGH
>IT'S HIIIIGH NOOOooooooo
>[tank noises] [system error noises]
>MOOOOLTEN COOOUUAAGh
>RYU GA TEKI WO KURAAAAGH
>RUJIN WO KE WO KUREEEEGHhh
>>338710741
>play Hanzo
>fire frag arrow at Roadhog's feet
>he dies instantly every time
He's such a fatass target
>see Bastion camped up on a ledge in turret mode
>grenade his dumb ass
>pop up to the ledge he was on, put a bear trap in plain view, mine on the wall by the door
>few seconds later, get the alert that my trap was destroyed
>detonate mine
>Bastion comes flying through the air at half health
>grenade his dumb ass again
I love Junkrat
>>338710782
>keep some range on him
Maps are too small, too lienar, and capture zones/payloads are clusterfucks. Have you even been playing in groups? Every fucking game, there's a mccree with 20-25 fanning kills.
>>338710782
I concede that the top one is dumb and the other two are arguable, but extra health on Zen would mean a world of difference. Just a little bit more would put him out of one shot range by widowmaker and a lot of other damage ranges. He has no mobility and needs LoS so it seems fair.
How the fuck have they not nerfed Mei since the Beta?
I don't have trouble with any particular characters other than that fucking chink.
>holds left click for a couple seconds
>you are completely frozen
>she gets a free headshot, killing you
>manage to out maneuver her or get the drop on her
>start going ham, she almost dies
>she hits left shit
>completely invincible and immovable, heals back her health
>throws her ult
>your on the edge of it
>lol too bad, the slow is so strong you cannot run out of it before your completely frozen
What a fucking joke.
>>338709581
Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Is Dying To McCree Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Walk Away From The Guy Like Nigga Keep Some Distance Haha.
>>338710887
Is it part of the balance that characters announce their ultimate skill?
Because it just seems retarded to me.
>>338710887
Because of how Bastion's ult drains if he dies before he finishes trainsforming or even just slightly afterwards he doesn't lose any ult%. It doesn't even begin to drain until the animation is completely finished so killing him as he's transforming only delays it.
>>338710945
>See Mei
>pick Pharah/Roadhog/Jungrat
>laugh
>>338710740
I feel like it's more like super smash brothers than a first person shooter
But it's more of a first person shooter than it is a fighting game
>>338710945
The real problem is healing herself. Her ice should be absurdly vulnerable when she heals. It's one thing to have a self heal like bastion, it's another thing to basically have an invincible tank on a defense unit.
>>338709862
>no team would be mad when Lucio thinks he is some hot shit DPS punk and constantly dives into the enemy team solo without strafing or wallruns, and spends most of the game dead I.E. not healing
A rubbish tank or healer is more disruptive than a rubbish DPS, because one is a backbone, and the other can still create momentum by pressing Q.
>>338710658
It's because you're transfatget it?
>attacking, London map
>enemy team has Hanzo
>RYUU GA WAGA TEKI WO KURAU every 30 fucking seconds
I'm already starting to feel buyer's remorse.
>>338710976
yes
imagine how OP McRee would be if he had no sound indication for his ult
>>338711052
It is fucking horseshit and broken.
It is basically roadhogs self heal, only it also makes you invincible.
Have one or the other Blizzard, holy shit.
>>338711057
Good DPS is actually make or break in a lot of game it seems actually. You can get away with just decent tanking or healing, but you NEED good DPS to get anything done.
>>338709669
I've played quite a bit of DVa and it seems that she really shines when you use her mobility. Most people don't expect you to fucking jet up to a roof and plasma gun them in the face. Defensive matrix is a little slow cooling down but it can be really helpful if you use it correctly. I too feel like DVa is fine.
>>338711090
I mean, you already move slow as balls and glow like a fucking light bright.
>>338711090
>pick Dva
>as soon as you see an arrow launched from a location thrust boost into that area
>freshly served Hazno with vegetables
>>338710025
>>338709935
>>338709921
>>338709874
>>338709862
Thanks bros, god I'm hype, can't wait for my download to finish
>>338708797
>Soldier 76
>Not just headshotting Reaper with the Triple Rocket
>potg is mccree missing 5/6 shots, then completely missing 2 fans, then finally getting a single stun+fan kill
>>338711084
>complaining about an ult that is extremely easy to avoid
>>338708797
disliking for shilling own video
>>338711157
meant for
>>338711084
>>338711174
not when you're getting funneled through an alleyway, it's also grating hearing it OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER gain.
>>338711057
While a stupid Lucio pressing his ult at a bad time is really frustrating damage dealers that just don't kill anyone and die for nothing are always more frustrating. At the end of the day it's an FPS and in an FPS you gotta kill the bad guys.
>>338711052
You have literally 3-4 seconds to lineup a headshot on her fat face the second she comes out of iceblock
She either quickly uses it to dodge an attack, gets very little healing but leaves herself less vulnerable, or stays in, heals herself, but 9/10 times gets skullfucked immediately when it ends. It's perfectly fine as is.
>>338710976
Yes, they even announce it differently from friendly versions, so that you don't get confused.
Everyone feels like a really noisy spy in this game. Its a headscratcher how it can be competitive when any decent FPS player should be able to pick off the idiot announcing his ult with a few headshots.
>>338711052
>>338711124
it also makes her a sitting duck for Widowmaker/Junkrat/Roadhog/Hanzo etc.
get fucking gud
>>338711173
>play of the game is widowmaker getting a headshot on phara while slowly aiming throughout Pharah's ult and doing literally nothing else
This actually just happened to me, in a game where reaper got 3 quad kills and a Mercy revived her whole team twice
>>338710645
>can't defend herself for shit
So just like TF2 medic then?
>>338711289
No, it is proper shit.
It shouldn't heal her, the invincibility is enough.
>>338711259
>>338711289
If you have 3-4 seconds to wait for mei to emerge while ignoring every other enemy, you're playing against scrubs.
This is the stupid shit about balance. You all talk about the game in a vacuum, like every fight is 1v1 even though its a team game where it's very hard to kill people quickly without ults.
>>338711174
Good Hanzo ults don't give you the opportunity. The best way to use it is the scan arrow a wall that you know enemies are somewhere on the other side of and then drop it RIGHT on that wall so the dragon literally spawns on top of them. There's spots on every map where you can do it if you're sneaky.
The arrow that turns into the dragon actually even goes through walls and can headshot people before the ult activates.
I'm not saying it's OP, but saying it's always easy to dodge isn't exactly true if you're playing against someone that knows what they're doing.
>>338710645
Her gun and melee attack can be pretty powerful if you use them at the right time. Players will always leave themselves exposed around Mercy (low health, standing still, etc), because she isn't usually focused on killing people. I've successfully defended a number times, even winning against people I should not have.
I found she excels when the whole team is loosely together. That way you can soar from one person to the next. Since she is so mobile and can still use her staff when out of LoS, you can also grab the medpacks from around the map pretty easily.
Is there no way to select what game mode you want to play? Really?
I don't want to play CP, I want to play payload
>>338711271
>Its a headscratcher how it can be competitive when any decent FPS player should be able to pick off the idiot announcing his ult with a few headshots.
What is teamplay? It's a lot harder to pick off the McCree charging up HIGH NOON when there's also a pissed off Winston jumping around in ult slapping your shit. Or a Pharah shooting off her ult while shielded by a Reinhardt.
>>338711417
They should add this eventually. I prefer control over other types. Hypest fucking shit happens on control maps.
>>338710645
>>338711350
Mercy actually does 100DPS with her dumb gun, with headshot capabilities.
She defends herself far better than the tf2 medic.
>>338711373
The thing is though, most Hanzo players are pretty bad. I can count maybe 2 or 3 ults that were actually placed well throughout every match I have played today.
>tfw getting commended as symmetra
makes my peepee hard
>>338711560
Right now, yeah, even the good Hanzo players I saw today didn't know the game in and out. With the MMR reset the matchups and skill levels were all over the place.
>>338711541
The TF2 medic is actually more mobile than everyone but the scout without needing teammates around though. If your whole team gets wiped in TF2 you're not going to automatically die if you're a medic whereas you will as Mercy.
>>338711518
>control map
>pick Junkrat
I know I'm in for a good time.
>>338711586
It's worse if the only other person to commend was a torb's turret kills.
SURE DO LOVE PLAYING RING AROUND THE ROSIE WITH REAPER AS MERCY WHILE NOBODY FROM MY TEAM HELPS
>>338711560
That's because a lot of bad players play characters that get them easy PotG. There are a lot of bad Mcrees, Reapers and Hanzos despite the players being really good in the right hands.
>>338711368
>Mei iceblocks anywhere where she's remotely exposed
>Iceblock ends
>Widowmaker casually headshots her, or Roadhog casually hooks her, or McCree flashbang and fans her, etc
If her team is covering her, sure, she can survive. But she's not accomplishing anything in that case, so you've effectively neutralized her impact at zero cost to yourself, especially since the ice block gives time for your team to maneuver away from her so she can't do shit when she gets out.
>>338711586
More likePOO
>>338710909
I disagree. I feel like every map has enough open area to not be in McCree stun range. If he's really wrecking the team why not try to counter him a bit more? A Widowmaker headshot or two body shots will straight up kill the guy. Throw in some Ice Walls, fly up and kill him with Pharah from range, Use your reinhardt shield. Bully him a bit. He has almost no defensive abilities and will go down like a bitch. It's the Bastion problem all over again: "Nobody does anything against this problem, so it's just mowing trough our team"
>>338710927
I guess that would be nice but I hate to admit, as much as I hate Widowmaker, I guess there have to be a few targets that she can one-shot. Such is life. Or some day we end up slowly removing widowmaker from the game by slowly upping HP until she becomes less and less viable to do pickoffs.
You could consider pairing him with Symmetra. The shield will move him out of one-shot range, giving you chance to react.
>>338711678
I really need to work on getting a premade together because of this shit. So many games where nobody is on objective and nobody actually cares to work together.
>>338707614
>Not pressing triangle
>Lose 5 games in a row because of retarded teammates
>Then get thrown into 2 games that have 5 seconds left before we lose
Oh man, I hope ranked doesn't turn out to be like this because if it does, I'm gonna be so mad.
>>338711464
>a lot harder
As compared to spy instagibbing half your team from behind quickly and quietly? While a heavy or soldier distracts from the front?
Spies are already plenty shit on the merit that if you shoot them, they die. Noisy spies that yell out ballagoos and shit before striking? If the autistic cs:go community moved over for a day, they'd murderrape every single one of these dumb streamer wannabes. By actually hitting things in the head when they shoot.
>>338711721
>symmetra
>poo in the loo
kys
>>338708674
UNGA
>>338711541
I think when he said she can't defend herself, he meant that when your team gets wiped because they're garbage, you're going to get wiped too. It's pretty hard to escape with her. The biggest bullshit about medics in general is that they're too easy to single out. Tf2 medics were a nightmare to get rid of, especially with uber.
>>338711713
Again, you're acting like this game happens in a vacuum.
>>338711736
But since there is no team deathmatch, all maps have objectives and thus close range clusterfucks. You don't even need to get a direct hit with the stun for it to work. It's absolute horseshit, there's 2 mccrees on every team.
>you will be removed from the match if you remain inactive
>stuck in a eternal loading screen
had this shit happen in beta, blizzard pls fix
>>338711771
In the beta at least people did actually communicate and try to build decent teams and counter-pick. People that didn't give a shit just kept playing Quick Play since the only thing getting better ranks got you was bragging rights.
That said Ranked probably will have rewards if it's gonna be a 2.5-3 month long season like they talked about today in the Q&A so we probably will see retards clogging up games, refusing to change heroes, etc.
>sneak up on Mei
>headshot her for good damage
>she instantly heals and stays safe while her teammates protect her
or:
>she instantly turns around, freezes you and your aim becomes too slow to finish off her little sliver of health left
It's just retarded how good her survivability and close range kill ability is
And then you have McCree's flashbang which means easy close range kills with no skill whatsoever needed
>>338711052
>play reaper
>chasing Mei
>she blocks.
>sit myself outside of her block, behind her.
>aim right at her fucking head
>4 secs are up
>dead Mei
This or something like this can be done with almost every fucking hero. Fucking hell, She only has 250HP. if she was made vulnerable during that time you would change her "OH SHIT" Cooldown to a "IMMA FREE KILL" Skill you fucking retard.
This isn't CoD. Play around the enemies abilities. Why do people not get that?
>>338709989
Because he isn't cute/cool.
>>338711980
is his grenade actually a flashbang, meaning it has an effect on enemies even if it detonates some ways away from them, or is it some concussion nade that requires more or less to connect the thing to the player directly?
>>338712025
You can repeat yourself all you want, but overwatch is not a 1v1 game. Fucking mercy can kill most offensive heroes in a 1v1. You're missing the fucking point here. In the middle of a large fight, mei can repeatedly heal herself while turning in to an invincible tank that, at worst, forces you to stop whatever you're doing, hide, and hope the rest of the team doesn't counter you while you wait for someone to switch to widow and ohk her. Oh and you'll have to keep doing this repeatedly since it's not even an ult.
>>338712120
It's AoE. You can hit multiple people, pop it around corners, even throw it above Rein's shield if he doesn't react in time (and it's practically impossible to react in time).
>>338712209
Dang sounds OP as fuck
>>338711825
objectives and thus close range clusterfucks.
Fuck you can still play around the nigga. Just pick Phara or Junkrat or Widowmaker or Genji or Reinhardt or Hanzo or D.Va and fuck him up.
What the fuck are you guys doing? Just constantly running straight into the guy? HE HAS 200 HP JUST FUCK HIS DAY UP NIGGA.
>>338712298
It's pretty frustrating sometimes, but it does have counters. Genji is really hard to deal with as McCree if the Genji is good enough, and his damage falloff is bad enough now that Widowmaker and Hanzo can really fuck McCree up if they just don't get close to him.
McCree is probably the "best" all-around offense right now but he's not a silver bullet. Really good Genji and Tracer players can just run circles around him and Tracer in particular does INSANE damage per second at close range (I think it may actually be the highest in the game other than Bastion).
>it's a Bastion behind Reinhardt episode
>>338712424
You act as though these mccrees are just running around on their own without any help. Everything is easy to kill 1v1 you stupid fuck. The issue is when certain elements combine into unstoppable waves. For instance, you want to hear the dumbest counter by far? Genji's reflect is actually the best counter to pharah's ult. You can block fucking rockets, which is absurd, and instantly kill her mid ult. All genji has to do is run into the blob you're shooting at and you're fucked. Ult denied, try again next time.
Certain combinations are really exacerbating the poor balance of heroes. With the exception of a few weird ones like zetyanni, almost everyone is overpowered in some capacity.
>>338712207
>fag is convinced that the worst character is the game is secretly op because he's a casual shitter that can't just kill her
every /v/ overwatch thread
>>338712425
I think Tracer is going to get nerfed because right now, she can solo kill anyone except Mcree or at least force a draw.
>>338712425
Genji isn't that good against him, the flashbang makes short work of him anyway. If Genji deflects the actual flashbang he's stuck in the deflect animation and can't capitalize. Swift strike lets you cancel it but then McCree is already out of stun.
>>338712651
If they do nerf her I hope it's something like a small damage reduction and nothing more. She's a tricky character to balance well and any nerf could easily make her garbage.
>>338712298
He forgot to mention that it has quite short range: https://youtu.be/agb-nlbdb40?t=44
you can't really throw it any further than that. basically "If you can spit on it you can stun it" and lasts for less than a second. It becomes a real fucking danger if you're retarded enough to run after him into a house or around a corner. other than that, it's fine. It's like getting caught by a Roadhog hook.
>>338712638
Bullshit. While some heroes do make for strong combinations, you can always fuck them up. You can ALWAYS fuck them up. I had teams where I said "fuck they're playing so much better than us, better co-ordinated, better reactions" but I NEVER had a game where I said "Fuck this combo is unbeatable" because there is no such fucking thing. You just need to git gud.
>>338712832
>Bullshit. While some heroes do make for strong combinations, you can always fuck them up. You can ALWAYS fuck them up. I had teams where I said "fuck they're playing so much better than us, better co-ordinated, better reactions" but I NEVER had a game where I said "Fuck this combo is unbeatable" because there is no such fucking thing. You just need to git gud.
This man speaks truth.
>>338712832
You've never seen a zaryu ult with a hanzo ult?
What's the lore implications of it being possible to have multiple of the same characters in one team?
>>338712970
Yeah I need to "git gud" with two entrances to the next part of the payload push. The map design is absolute ass.
>>338712739
I'm not sure she needs a nerf. She's a glass canon kind of character. With 150 HP she is quite fast to kill, You just have to hit her. I quite like playing against tracers.
I Imagine she's pretty shitty on consoles because of the turn time on analogue sticks. You blink past somebody and then you turn like a fucking ship.
>>338712638
Genji's deflect will have the same accuracy as whatever hit him, and Phara's ult is pretty inaccurate so it's not that simple
Besides, Genji's strength is turning the enemy team's defenses against them. If a Genji hears IT'S HIGH NOON then he should try to deflect those fagbullets back to mccree
>>338709989six hours played with junkrat
i got high noon'ed when i was already around the corner. come on bliizard, you are filthy rich, invest in better tickrates or whatever
>>338713058
>I'm not sure she needs a nerf. She's a glass canon kind of character. With 150 HP she is quite fast to kill, You just have to hit her. I quite like playing against tracers.
Yes and no - she can die to very quick burst damage quickly, but Recall means her effective HP is usually more like 250 since she'll usually use it around 30% or so.
I randomly got queue'd against some of the "pro" players a few times during the open beta and those motherfuckers are insanely hard to pin down and burst on Tracer. Every time you think you're about to get them, even if what you're doing is split second burst, they manage to react fast enough to recall out and leave or fuck you in the butt.
Honestly, the only real glass cannon in this game is Zenyatta, which is weird since he's support.
>>338713048
> two entrances to the next part of the payload push
please tell me which part of which map does that, because I've never seen that happen
>>338713048
Where is that
>>338713250
>>338713058
I should also say I don't really think she needs a nerf either since at the end of the day really, really good tracking does just flat out beat her.
The only character I'd actually like to see nerfed is Widowmaker. Bodyshotting people to death is so stupidly easy in this game. Headshot damage should be the same, but bodyshot damage should be like 75-80% of what it is right now.
>>338713298
Watchpoint: Gibraltar
This part is so fucking stupid. Just leave the fucking gate open.
>not high nooning to force the entire team to take cover so you can push the payload then cancelling and keeping 50% ultimate
>want to play Winston
>is a giant gorilla in a mechsuit
>has worst gun in the game
>gun is weak and has no range
>his 500 gets torn through quickly
>Ultimate just pushes people away from you so they can shoot you
>shield defends against like 1 shot
What the fuck.
>>338713452
4 entrances actually
>>338712984
Or Zarya ult plus Junkrat shots/ult
Or Zarya ult plus tracer ult
Or Zarya ult plus Pharah ult
Or Zarya ult plus Reaper ult
Or Zarya ult plus Reinhardt hammer hits
Yeah, Zarya ult makes for some strong combinations. But chances are if you're getting caught in it, and a DPS is near, you would have died anyway. No need to throw in that Hanzo ult. It's FAR from an unbeatable combo. Plus it has a ton of downtime. If your whole team gets caught in it, you might have done a retard.
>>338713508
>implying all heroes can jump up to the second level
>implying randoms will go a different way
>>338713058
>Hitting a Tracer
lol
>>338713589
a good bunch of them can and there are stairways up there anyway!
>>338713589
There are stairs up there...
>>338713636
You still have to go to the hill part and get fucked repeatedly.
>>338709461
this is wrong, lions ult at lvl 6 does 450 raw damage, considering lion is usually played as support he gets lvl 6 around 7-10 min mark, at that point everybody in the game except supports and retarded carry with midases have ~1000 hp. Lions stun doesnt do much damage either, in any case, you arent going to kill anyone from full hp alone, unless you hit lvl 6 real fast and you are targeting another squishy support.
On the other hand mccree can kill a fucking roadhog by pressing E - right click - shift - right click.
Also when the fuck is ranked coming, this game is unplayable garbage without any "skill" based matchmaking, unless you stack with friends
>>338713482
Stop fighting tanks. Leap behind everyone and assassinate the squishy healer in the back. Drop your bubble and leap away. Leap in and out of combat, it's a pretty short cool down.
And zap that retarded Reinhardt to your heart's content because he doesn't realize his shield doesn't work against you.
who else /autistically saving loot boxes/
>>338713452
>that
>two fucking entrances
are...are you blind? or just completely retarded?
>>338713589
>implying all heroes can jump up to the second level
There are stairs up there you complete and absolute retarded idiot
kill yourself
>>338713452
>t-there are only two entrances
there are four
>>338713589
>i-implying you can get up there
there are stairs
>>338713697
>b-but the hill
holy shit stop making up more and more excuses just to cover up your shitposting
pathetic
>>338711084
L O N D O N
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why is torbjorn such a meme
>>338713482
it's because idiots like you think that Winston can just jump in 1v5 and get kills instead of getting blown up in a second
stay with your fucking team
shield your fucking team while harassing nearby enemies with tesla
if a squishy character is near half hp jump on him/her and get a kill
rinse and repeat
use ultimate when the enemy team goes for a large push only
>>338714225
what the fuck is the point doing that?
>>338714638
>new skins come out
>playing Mercy
>team is just fucking trickling into the enemy team
>keep spamming "GROUP UP WITH ME GROUP UP WITH ME GROUP UP WITH ME"
>our Reinhardt says "fuck we're getting demolished"
WELL I WONDER WHY YOU FUCKING RETARD
FUCK! I can handle losing, it's when I lose because my entire team decides to trickle instead of grouping up that gets me super salty.
The fuck do you think you're going to do 1v6? Score some SIK MLG KILLS BRA? Fucking idiots.
>>338713482
While winston can get some kills, He really shines in area denial. The wild ape is what you use to clear people from the spot and send them running so you can cap/prevent capping.
When playing overwatch, try not to think in terms of "how can I get the best K/D?" try "How can we best take that capture point" "How can we best push that cart" The Objective is so much more important than plain kills. You can go 20-0 and still lose because while you were playing Call of Duty someone else just took the objective. Happens on Hanamura a lot
>defenders go up to the enemies spawn
>engage in a fight there
>defenders kill and go past
>easy first point.
So yeah, Try to go for the objective over the kills. It racks up points too!
>>338714694
that is actually a fair point if the loot crate's content is not pre-determined
>>338714746
just switch to Lucio in that situation, and press in with boosted speed
team is guaranteed to follow you
>>338714750
>How can we best take that capture point
But standing on a point is boring, getting kills is fun. And no-one got POTM for standing on a point.
>the only character i like playing is roadhog
>sometimes the hook goes nuts and the target is pulled behind my back
>can't one shot him
>die like a scrub
JUST
>>338714876
>stay on stairs
>hook someone
>they stop at the bottom of stairs
>they run away
thanks
>>338714843
I suggest you go play CoD then instead, since this game is clearly not made for you
>>338714843
actually standing on an objective is a multiplier for POTG points so almost all POTGs are on points
>>338714746
Excuse me, but I'm TRACER the MASCOT CHARACTER. I can definitely take on a bastion + rein + mercy + 2 reapers sitting on the payload by running directly at it.
>>338714936
>see a soldier
>right click into hook into left click into melee
>he doesn't die, drops his medic and survives
JUST
Mercy should have a suicide button called Mercy Kill where she shoots herself in the head with her own pistol when you're stuck with a team of retards. Just to stop the enemy team getting the satisfaction of killing you.
>team has no support
ok let me pick one
>Lucio, aka wins the game by existing but your weapon is literally the least satisfying thing in the game
>Mercy, aka group up with me! group up with me! group up with me!
>Zenyatta, aka holy shit Blizzard just make the orbs distance based
>Symettra, aka I should be in defense but Blizz needs to pretend we have more than 3 support options
Sombra can't come soon enough.
>>338714876
That's to make up for every time you hook someone around a corner, through a wall.
>>338715113
>Lucio, aka wins the game by existing but your weapon is literally the least satisfying thing in the game
Learn to right click.
I've seen a lucio knock an entire team off a bridge with his right click in a highlight. That shit is CASH
>>338715129
Nothing more satisfying than dropping a big, fat left click right on Tracer's slag face
>>338715201
Hiiiighly situational.
>Team has two fucking widowmakers
>Play Winston
>25 fucking kills
>Multiple triple kills
>We barely fucking won thanks to me being the sole person on the team bothering with the objectives and an amazing Mercy backing me up while our two Widowmakers remained useless
>Play of the Game went to a Junkrat camping the spawn at the start and getting a whooping two kills
I'm beyond fucking furious right now.
>>338715454
Nooooooot really.
Have you actually looked around the maps? Each map has at least one area with a LOT of ledges and dropoffs very very close at hand.
Fuck there's a giant hole in the middle of one of the Greece maps. And Nepal has a control point with a fucking bottomless pit all around it. Lucio is KING on those maps.
>>338715504
>caring about PoTG
Autism.
>>338713974
To be fair my anti-Drow strat still works with lion
Even if she gets some moderate str items she can still be R-Q-AA to death at 6
Same with Nyx, you can really take drow to pound town with heavy nukes
Even easier with a Zeus mid thats paying attention
>>338714694
You're fucking retarded. If that happens, they will drop from NEW loot boxes that are the only ones that can drop new stuff.
Open them boxes faggot
>>338715504
PotG are there for comedic value - they're hilariously bad, and irritate autists.
>>338710150
>hitscan
>not the easiest thing to aim
I agree with you except this part. It just doesn't make any sense.
Zarya really shines when you have an actual team, preferably friends with voip communication. Her ult is the best setup your teammates could ever ask for their ults. And her shield is only really useful if your allies you put it on actively get in the harm's way to keep you charged.
>>338709619
its like they seriously took those memes and put him to a physical form. i want to see some cosplays of this character in the next year or two
>>338711327
POTG have different categories. That was a "Shutdown". The game decided Pharah's ult there would have been incredibly profitable but Widow shut it down.
There's a category for across map snipes (Sharpshooter) and one for racking up kills in quick succession.
This game should be cheaper.I can afford it, and it's no problem to me, however, I find it terribly stupid to do so, as the game has microtransactions, just like CSGO, Dota 2 and TF2. I'm fine with free games selling skins and the like, as long as it doesn't affect gameplay values other than looks. Why would I waste money on this? It has nothing else but a few maps (though, it has many characters) and a few gamemodes, there's nothing else to it.
