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Dustbowl is the best map.
>tfw Overwatch killed TF2
I hear many people got banned
What was the problem
>>338701742
TF2 isn't killed, it's just for poorfags.
so TF2 had no response updates/DLC for the overwatch release?
Lame.
>>338701754
cheating
>JUST RAINS FROM ABUUAAAAHHH
*crickets*
Accept your new overlords hat faggots.
>>338701382
>tfw you'll never grow up playing the superior TFC
>>338701942
>*crickets*
>>338702067
You first you inbred nigger
>>338701382
Overwatch skins and maps for TF2, when?
>>338702032
I did just that, fuckboy.
is it worth crafting a class token to make a class specific hat or should I risk it with a random hat?
I'm new to this crafting shit.
>middle schoolers and curries getting BTFO
>>338702107
Stop using faggy sound effects and I will.
>>338702032
Speaking of, is it entirely dead yet? Been thinking about picking it up.
>>338702124
Why the fuck would you want the maps? They're all terrible in their own special ways.
Lets spend all of our money on keys, guys!
>>338702246
>Speaking of, is it entirely dead yet? Been thinking about picking it up.
there are still 5 or so servers that run it in Murica/europe, and some password-protected Ozfortress servers
On another issue, pic related
Soldier is already one of the best classes in the game. His only weaknesses are reload times, losing health for rocket jumps, and low ground movement speed. So why the fuck does he need pic related?
>>338702198
you can buy almost any hat for less than the cost of crafting it.
scrap.tf is a good resource for random hats at a reasonable priceeven though it's run by a couple of horsefuckers from /vg/
>>338702525
He doesn't, but as broken as it sounds, it borderline useless against anyone who's competent.
>>338702525
That's a great way to get yourself killed. Disciplinary Action is better.
>>338702629
>it borderline useless against anyone who's competent
It's not useless though, because Soldiers use it to get to the front line in a similar fashion to how Heavies use the Gloves of Running Urgently. They damage themselves with a rocket jump, then run forward with the Escape Plan out for a bit, put it away just before they see the enemy, making the mini-crits go away, and thus they've gotten a free speed boost for no downside. It's called the "escape plan rollout".
That's why it's the most equipped Soldier melee weapon in 6v6, in pubs (http://tf2stats.net/weapons/?sort=equipped), and in Highlander after the whip rollout is complete.
>People think that Overwatch will kill TF2
TF2, a F2P game, dying to a game worth $40 - $60 will be very slim; Especially with how much content Overwatch has at the moment. Maybe later if they allow modding and other freedoms that TF2 currently has. But until then, it's not gonna happen.
>>338701754
Vac banned for using LMAObox or other cheating programs. People even in high level competitive TF2 got BTFO and lost numerous amount of money from the items they never sold before getting VAC'd.
>>338702736
>That's a great way to get yourself killed
You put it away before you see the enemy. The mark for death only takes 1 second to fade, and then there's no downside past that. You get a speed boost for free. And my question is, why does Soldier need a free speed boost when he's already one of the best classes in the game?
Disciplinary Action is broken too, but for a soldier who's roaming/spawning solo, or trying to secure the middle capture point early, you will use Escape Plan over Disciplinary Action, because either your allies move fast enough on their own, or there are no allies spawning with you to whip.
DA also needs nerfing, but so does EP. Soldier is already a good enough class without free speed boosts.
>>338702872
>>338703017
>free speed boost
Yes, because taking out almost half your health doesn't hamper your ability, eh?
>all this shitposting about how Overwatch will kill TF2
>TF2 was released in 2007
>tfw you realize TF2 is nearly a decade old and its tattered remains are still Overwatch's biggest competitor
I've pretty much dropped TF2 by now but holy shit it's impressive.
>>338701754
Valve finally decided to do something about the lmaobox kiddies, and went on a mass banning spree.
They even got bunch of comp players too (like comp tf2 wasn't a joke already).
Anyway only lasted a while, a new version of lmao was released and the hackers are back.
This is all according to steam forums, I stopped playing tf2 a while ago.
>>338703203
Whats even funnier is that in a month it will be back to same.
>>338703265
There was actually a new VAC wave just a few hours ago. It's detected again.
>>338703160
Soldier was going to take out half his health getting to the front line anyway, that's how the class rolls out. He gets all that HP back from the large/medium health packs at mid (think Process or Gullywash) or when his Medic gets there. Escape Plan is a free speed boost on top of what he was already doing.
I'm assuming you're not familiar with rollouts. It is standard for Soldiers to rocket jump their way to the front line, they're not going to walk there because it takes too long. Escape Plan makes the rocket-jumping-to-mid process quicker for no downside. It really is a free speed boost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kocJnNMcKQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoM7SDAI1C4
and here's one of some slav failing it lel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykVS9_CF4h8
>>338701754
OH MAN
You missed one of the best, one of THE BEST TF2 moments in years.
Sorry TF2 friends, but your time has gone. Overwatch is the new king now. Soz.
>>338703696
image is incomplete, needs a price tag on there to show how much his inventory was worth saying "$20,000 down the drain" or something
>>338703621
I don't follow Competitive TF2, so I'm not too familiar with 'professional' rollouts.
I find walking works just fine unless it's a big map or your team is getting buttfucked.
>>338703696
COMPLETELY
INTENTIONAL
>>338703852
Even in pubs, pubstompers use these rollouts as the tried and tested way of getting to the middle of the map quickly. Your team will be getting buttfucked by people who know these techniques.
That's why I'm saying the Escape Plan is a free speed boost for Soldier he doesn't need. He's one of the best classes in the game, and EP allows him to get around more quickly for free.
I came here to shitpost the same way you do on OW threads.
>playing a free "competitive" FPS full of mlp ERP and hat traders
>>338703696
>Hats causing drama in the TF2 community
What else is new
>>338704114
it wasn't hats itself, just that a lot of big name cheaters got banned
the fact that he spent around $20,000 on hats was just icing on the cake
>>338702629
Every soldier uses it because it's so OP.
>>338703696
>mfw that whole post about the VAC ban
I've never felt such a strange combination of pity, and indigestion
>>338704314
Is there a link to this shit at least or a summary someone wants to give?
>>338701742
>tfw overwatch is going to kill himself
thatshit get stale quick
there's no learn or anything , is just spaming buttons general.
>>338704037
>>338704330
Seems counter intuitive to me, which is why I rarely use it.
Now bear with me here: a Soldier injures himself with a couple of rockets so he can go fast. When he gets to the midpoint of the map, now he has to fuck around and go for a medkit, or wait for the team's Medic, if the team even has one. Not only that, but if he gets ambushed, he's dead because he's a glass cannon since he injured himself.
All this bullshit so you can through the map just a little faster.
>>338702942
Also you forgot to mention that 90% of TF2 players don't even play the game competitively
Friendlies, pony fuckers, roleplayers, traders, people who exclusively play stuff like deathrun and jailbreak, and people who use TF2 as their own version of Second Life will never get the same satisfaction out of Overwatch as they do with TF2
Overwatch may or may not be the superior game, but there is NO way that it will ever kill TF2
If anything, Overwatch may kill TF2 competitively, but it will NEVER kill it casually
>>338701382
I don't understand how people think Competitive Matchmaking is going to solve TF2's problem of disparity.
Anyone who's still stuck at the bottom doesn't really care enough to really progress and they consider TF2 a casual hat simulator. Anyone who gets to the top in terms of personal skill is usually too autistic to bear playing with and thinks that TF2 has an infinite skill ceiling despite players of Arena Shooters being leagues ahead of most of the Soldier WebMs you see posted. Anyone who really cares about competitive to play as a team is already playing in TF2's many tournaments.
What made TF2 work is that overall, the community was made out of people that played for fun, but people still wanted to play well and to win. It's a quality that a quality that online multiplayer games are missing nowadays, but TF2 as a team-focused, class-based shooter is hurt severely because it no longer has that middle ground that made the game enjoyable and fun to play.
Until then, TF2 is only good for the rare occasional server that you can find people with that balance, but then again there's a reason so many people go >tfw fav old serb is dead
>>338701641
My nigga
>>338704507
well the best summary i can give is
>lmaobox cheating users were being extremely blatant for ages and everyone was telling valve to do something
>somehow, nobody is sure how, Valve got a hold of the LMAOBOX source code and did a massive banwave, wiping out nearly all the cheaters and devaluing their inventories in one fell swoop, including a large amount of high-profile Snipers or Heavies in competitive TF2
>tens of 1000s of dollars were lost because these dumb smug cunts thought they would never get banned and used their main accounts to cheat on, the ones with expensive hats
>everyone proceeded to mock them, a lot of the cheaters did the usual "we don't care b-baka!" or "oh yeah i wasn't even trying anyway"! shit, and a few of them said "well we'll just develop a new cheat and come back, valve won't bother fixing it again" and did just that
>valve did ANOTHER banwave today and those guys got btfo, everyone proceeded to laugh again especially because they were dumb enough to BUY MORE SHIT and lose it TWICE
>>338704628
I agree 100%
>>338704604
If it's bullshit why does every competent team use it?
>>338704749
This. Finally someone else gets it.
TF2 is a poor competitive game. esports doesn't work and Valve gave up trying to balance it years ago. It is, however, an excellent cooperative game where in the right server with a good community, people can have a damn good time beating the shit out of each other. The middle ground was what made it so appealing, and that atmosphere of camaraderie was why I spent 2~3 solid years playing it.
>>338704954
Fuck if I know.
>>338705020
Every once in a while you'll come across a nice pub server where you can get some pretty good teamwork going. Fuckin' magical, it is.
>>338704875
Even though I don't see eye-to-eye with Valve these days, that's pretty based of them. Serves those fuckers right.
>>338705135
>Fuck if I know
Because it's free speed.
>>338705231
i prefer the equalizer desuor even better the old equalizer
nothing like getting a lucky crit at 10 health
>>338705231
But it's not free. You're tearing away health to go faster, and then you buttfuck around looking for a medkit or your Medic. During that time, you could actually be contributing to your fucking team by attacking the enemy or going for objectives. It's a retarded tactic, and I cannot fathom why it's considered the meta.
>goes pub
>goes demo
>2 medic starts pocketing me
>mfw
best pub. 10/10. Would pubstomp again
>>338701382
All the Overwatch shilling has gotten me to play TF2 againn after having it uninstalled for almost a year and not touching it for even longer.
The characters and gameplay feels refreshing, but I've just been screwing around alone in a hosted 2fort game while reinstalling mods. I think that playing Overwatch and hearing the shitty audio production and lame characters has actually made me appreciate TF2 more. I especially like the Spy more than I remember, and I missed the Soldier's ridiculous screams.
>>338702525
It was the fact that the War update was the introduction to a "high speed with low health" item that would help soldiers being unable to get out in a pinch. If you equiped a shotgun or any other secondary that isn't the gunboats you'll usually take around 40 - 60 damage each jump and valve really wanted to help those guys out that would go into battle with around 100 HP from his jumps, get bodyshot by a sniper then retreat safely without getting fucked, like any normal type of pubber would do.
But now that gunboats are made it's really unnecessary for anyone that plays roamer but still gives them a safe edge. They could remove/change the speed boost to a buff or something, but it would remove the whole idea of what the "escape plan" is, a way to escape. Minicrits on it isn't half bad either because it really can fuck you over if you aren't prepared while running away and you can't use it to fight without the odds being stacked against you. In the end it's a easy "high risk for rewards" for anyone that isn't a pocket and unless it's removed you'll just have to deal with it.
>TL;DR It's meant for players that use the shotgun/banners to escape
>TL;DR Roamer was made after the gunboats were introduced and doesn't really need it but will use it anyways
>TL;DR It's 'alright' but could be nerfed a bit more
>TL;DR Valve usually thinks of everyone and not to much of the competitive side of the community
>>338705363
Every soldier with any skill or experience uses it.
But somehow you know better.
>During that time, you could actually be contributing to your fucking team by attacking the enemy or going for objectives
You use it when you're low or when rolling out. You're a retard. Stop posting.
>Go to a pub server
>Play Scout with default loadout
>Map changes to 2fort, capture the intel
>Rush in, grab intel, rush out unharmed, never once die
>Every single time
>Before I knew it, I was the only one left on the server
It was like waiting for a Jenga tower to fall over, but it never fell over.
>>338705471
Are there any good mods for TF2? I just use a custom hud sometimes
>>338701641
I exclusively play Dustbowl on skial servers.
Not even joking. I really enjoy the chokepoint battles.
>>338704604
The point is it allows you to easily retreat from situations you shouldn't be allowed to.
>>338705527
I never said I knew better, I just don't like the tactic so I don't use it very often.
>>338704604
>now he has to fuck around and go for a medkit,
That isn't fucking around, it's easy. If you get there early, the health pack is in easy reach because you're the first one there to take it. See pic.
>Not only that, but if he gets ambushed, he's dead because he's a glass cannon since he injured himself
Since you get there first, you get the health pack, and you can kill whatever shows up later.
>All this bullshit so you can through the map just a little faster.
It's very important to get to the front fast, before the enemy can get there. It means you control the middle point, the good high ground locations (which protect you from splash damage and allow you to splash damage the enemy), and you control the health packs (thus denying them to the enemy).
If you walk to mid, you'll get there only to find the enemy raining down rockets/bombs on you, and they're sitting on nice juicy health packs as they begin to capture the point.
If you rocket jump to mid and the enemy walks, then you can deny them both the mid healthpacks, you can splash damage them while they must land direct hits on you, and/or you can start capturing the point right away, forcing them to revert your capture before they can capture it themselves.
I know it may seem odd to you, it was odd to me at first, but that's how it works. Escape Plan makes soldier EVEN BETTER at being quick to midpoints/the front line, thus giving him these advantages, and making other weaker classes less attractive picks in serious games of TF2 by comparison.
>>338705625
I almost exclusively play Dustbowl onValve servers
Are face stabs and stair stabs still a thing?
I remember TF2. Good fun. I bet it's even still a bunch of fun for people who can't afford Overwatch.
>>338704875
Another banwave came today? Nice.
Any sauce? I want to read any potential reactions cheaters had to it and have a merry laugh.
every competitive soldier loadout
Primary:default or original
Secondary: default or gunboats
Melee:Eacape plan
>>338701382
>TF2 Thread
wow it's like 2007 in here
>>338704875
Amazing. I am happy to hear this
>>338703696
>>338703265
>>338704875
>>338705208
Here's all the people that got banned on Competitive teams in the first wave of VAC bans. Most of their steam profiles say that they don't mind being banned or having people call them faggots with some of their accounts being unused since the bans.Some people have over $1k of items in their inventory and one plat sniper is going onto the forms saying he never hacked
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dfcMHrF3dGByk-UV8CEDhhhDVBhb3Uo2QC7kWU6ciEs/htmlview?pref=2&pli=1&sle=true#gid=0
>>338705928
Best ass would have to bethe Heavy
>>338705659
Why shouldn't the Soldier be allowed to escape from certain situations?
>>338705698
>If you get there early, the health pack is in easy reach because you're the first one there to take it.
You know, unless of course a Scout or another Escape Plan Soldier gets there before or at the same time as you.
Also, I'm not saying it isn't viable. I think it's dumb, yes, but it has its uses. If you are the first to arrive to mid, you are at an advantage.
>>338705928
Nah. It's all meme now. Even f2p backs up when spy is trying to pull some honhon baguette shit out.
>>338705843
Which is restrictive as fuck.
>>338701641
>>338705625
>>338705712
I have to agree with you niggas, I play a lot of dustbowl too.
Dustbowl is objectively a TERRIBLY balanced map which is really bad for showing off player skill. Low ceilings, long round times, only one spawn exit on many spawns, narrow corridoors. All the combat gets funneled into single areas, and you can turtle for years.
However that's also what makes itfun.Not having to think too hard or put in too much effort, you can just spam for a bit and still get results, or you can let your team take the brunt of the frontline fighting and just fuck around, and the rounds are nice and long and comfy- no need for rapid change, or rebuilding Sentries every 3 seconds. And when you break through an ironclad defense, it's really satisfying because you've been edging for 20 minutes and then you jizz all over the defenders.
That's why, despite being a terrible map, Dustbowl is fun and comfy, and I think that's why it's so popular. The only thing I would change is adding more spawn exits and rebalancing around that; getting spawncamped is objectively unfun.
>>338705843
Disciplinary Action would be used a lot more, but it's banned in 6v6 because they don't like fighting heavies at mid. But yeah, the best Soldier melees are DA/EP.
>>338706034
Someone redpill me on why are there so many hackers in comp TF2 all of a sudden? Or has this always been a thing and people just realized it was going on til recently?
>>338706034
Serves them right. Fucking faggots.
>>338704875
you forgot the fucking petition the banned cheaters signed to get their hacks back because they believe that they can't play without it
>>338705928
Your attempts will prove fruitless.
Genji.
>>338701382
TF2? Is that a mod for Overwatch already?
Modders work fast these days. I have to say though, those designs look pretty shit.
>>338706147
Sauce? I can only imagine how much hilarity there is to be found amongst those stupid enough to sign a petition like that.
>>338704628
Why don't those people keep all that autistic shit in gmod?
The whole lmaobox debacle makes me wonder if Valve is going to pull a Cheater's Lament mk.2 and reward those who didn't stray from the path of not being a cheating asshole.
>>338706196
well good for you casul. Now you have your own game to fuck off.
>>338706301
I'd be happy if they did, desu.
>yfw some of these hackers probably had a Cheater's Lament
>>338706294
Because in Gmod you can't show off your goofy hats
>>338705601
These are the ones I've reinstalled, not including m personal sound mods I use.
http://tf2tip.maxofs2d.net/
http://tf2.gamebanana.com/skins/138479
http://tf2.gamebanana.com/skins/124706
And a bunch of particle mods from this guy:
http://tf2.gamebanana.com/sprites/4595
http://tf2.gamebanana.com/sprites/4380
Sadly, a lot of his stuff is outdated, but the comments will tell you which.
>>338706141
Hard to say, but it probably grew after it became f2p and TF2's competitive scene becoming more popular after more balances happened with competitive being a rumor at the time
>>338706301
Probably not, TF2 has a pretty big player base and most LMAObox players that got VAC'd is pretty small in comparison. Shit would be cool though
>>338705712
Name? I just played a valve server and it was worse than skial. No communication, HEY GUYS THERE'S A DEMO SHOOTING IN THE WINDOW ON RIGHT PATH PLS KILL, nope, nest down, rolled. We also had 3 spies on blue.
>>338706138
EXACTLY!
>>338705819
I have Overwatch and I'm not going to leave TF2.
>>338706810You're Waifu
i was probably there if it was a west coast server
>>338706049
>You know, unless of course a Scout or another Escape Plan Soldier gets there before or at the same time as you.
Scouts do not get to mid before Escape Plan wielding rocket jumping Soldiers, my friend. For example, Solly takes about 11 seconds to get to Badlands mid rocket jumping correctly, while Scout takes ~20, or 15 seconds with Cancer-Cola.
It normally goes: Demo or Soldier gets there first by explosive jumping (depending on map as to who gets there first), then Scout, then Medic due to his 107% movement speed. Those are the standard classes. Then for offclasses which you will rarely see run to mid in 6s but might see in HL and pubs, Pyro if the Pyro is running detonator, then GRU Heavy if GRU is unbanned, then Engineer, Spy, and Sniper come in last because they have no quickly available speed boosts to get them to mid and have to just walk it in (though Sniper/Engineer also need to walk less far to reach their effective ranges).
does anyone know how tow fo this annoying bug where the characters' eyeballs don't show? I've had it forever. their eyes are just all white.
>>338706138
Yeah, fun map but as you said, terribly balanced to the point where a song was made because of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y009oQEa8d8
Is there anything more pathetic than some cheater who's been caught that tries to explain himself with shit like
"i dindu nuffin"
"it was research"
"i just wanted to know what I need to look for so I can catch cheaters myself!!"
"it was my mom"
>>338706913
whoops fucked up, put GRU heavy behind Engineer, Spy and Sniper (they move at 100% speed, GRU heavy runs at 99.67% speed)
>>338706868
EU, ah well, we'll meet eventually.And you'll get stomped.
>>338707178
>I-I-I DIDN'T CARE ANYWAY
>I WAS BORED
>H-HEH NOTHING PERSONNEL
>>338706953
Make sure your autoexec has
r_eyes 1
r_flex 1
r_lod 1
r_rootlod 1
r_teeth 1
>>338707220we'll see, anon
>>338701382
As long as tf2 has DeGroot Keep we keep playing it. Basic tf2 starts to get boring but melee only is the shit.
>>338702942
I've never heard of any of these being called TF2 killers, they simply didn't have the marketing to be considered such
>>338706913
Alright, I see your point now. It's a useful startegy, but it can be dangerous in a few cases.
>>338707365
>melee only
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>338707178
>I-I could have avoided it if I WANTED to! h-haha
>>338707534
I mean medieval weapons.
>>338707254
>>338707538
Yeah, it's the best when they have actual money in their inventory
>I-I don't care at all
>>338701641
That's not turbine, anon.
>Tfw a single lucksman sniper is able to wipe a whole enemy push through the ventilation things just by spamming arrows
>Tfw you are said sniper
>>338703203
I don't know if that's good or bad.
TF2 is depriving potentially better games of a sizeable player base, whether you think OW fits that bill or not.
>>338707736
>TURBINE
>CTF FUCKING TURBINE
Whoever designed that map deserves to be shot.
>>338701742
Valve killed tf2 long before overwatch was even a concept.
Why can't we have a nice Tf2 thread without the insecure blizzcucks trying to defend their shitty game?
>>338707941
agreed, turbine is worse than 2fort
>>338707737
>TF2 is depriving potentially better games of a sizeable player base, whether you think OW fits that bill or not.
That might be the case now, if only because of how far TF2 has fallen.
As much as I used to love TF2 I kind of hope Overwatch kills it just so Valve loses their steady stream of hatbux and start actually making games again.
>>338708059
>Implying 2fort is any good
You can't even walk though the centre of the map without getting shot, as the sniper spots are literally half of that area. If you come out, you are exposed to a headshot.
>>338708279
i didn't say it was good, i just said turbine was worse
>>338705483
> Minicrits on it isn't half bad either because it really can fuck you over if you aren't prepared while running away and you can't use it to fight without the odds being stacked against you
It's actually way better for killing than the Shovel.
The reason why people almost never use Soldier's Shovel as a melee weapon is because he's so easily kited with his low ground movement speed (80%). Escape Plan boosts you up to as much as 129% movement speed when injured (for comparison, Scout moves at 133% speed), meaning nobody but Scouts can kite you.
EP might make you take more damage, but you'll also deal damage in return because you can catch people. Trying to get kills with Shovel will get you killed having done no damage.
As can be seen in this fragvid at multiple points: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh2ipr01vKY
On Escape Plan's use for escaping, I disagree that the minicrits sufficiently balance it out. If you're at 3 HP, for example, there is no reason not to have the Escape Plan. Taking 35% more damage means nothing when any hit will kill you anyway. So the "minicrits while active" does not balance this.
>TL;DR It's 'alright' but could be nerfed a bit more
>They could remove/change the speed boost to a buff or something, but it would remove the whole idea of what the "escape plan" is, a way to escape
I think the "90% reduced medigun heals while active" should be changed "-25% healing from all sources on wearer".
Instead of getting 100 HP from a medium health kit, for example, you would get 75 HP. And instead of being healed for 25HP/sec, you would recieve 18HP/sec.
This nerf would keep the unique feature of the weapon, while also making the speed boost always have a relevant downside attached.
im going to buy an unusual knife and name it anal probe
>>338702223
this is like the most obnoxious laughing.gif
and yes, they are all obnoxious
>>338708369
>Using worst suit.
>>338708369
Unoriginal
>>338704628
>Overwatch may kill TF2 competitively
>Overwatch
>Competitive
Don't get me wrong, I'm playing Overwatch right now and having fun, but this game is hardly competitive. Its such a cluster fuck, that it should never be considered more than just casual fun with friends.
At the very least, they need to set Ultimates so that they don't charge over time and only charge via damage done/kills/healing done etc, and have the charge wiped on death.
At least that way the game isn't a massive cluster fuck of ults and clutter every 30 seconds
>>338708335
No, that nerf would ensure no soldier ever would use it. As much as you go on about how broken it is most of it is just armchair hypotheticals when the majority of the time it does as it was designed too without causing any key balance issues.
>>338708484
I've only met one graylien spy and he didn't have a knife named that. You have?
>Overwatch finally releases
>literally hundreds of threads saying it's shit come out of the woodwork
>people now creating TF2 threads on /v/, which have been dead, like TF2 , since 2011
Could you guys be more fucking transparent? It's time to move on. Stop pretending that your hat collection can be used as a retirement fund and play a new game.
>>338708687
It's almost as if a new game coming out which is very similar to TF2 has brought back people's interest in TF2.
Woah...
>>338708645
Spy knife name: either bad anal joke or edgy shit.
>>338708857
what would you name it?
>>338708687
>Implying there were no Tf2 threads before.
Are you retarded? How often do you lurk /v/, anon?
>>338708930
>Backscratcher
>>338708930
Wanker shanker
>>338708930
my peenus weanus of course :)
>>338708687
>game releases
>barely any content beyond what was in the beta
>people complain about how shitty that is and how the game got boring fast
>people shilling overwatch by calling it the TF2 killer have it backfire because people start talking about TF2 again now that Overwatch is the disappointment many were expecting
>play tf2 since 2008
>get into it
>play for years, find a clan to grow into through tf2
>go to dota2 when its in beta
>drop off tf2
>dota2 for years, no tf2
>csgo beta
>wash
>rinse
>repeat
>meanwhile next to no tf2
>tf2 got shitty and i never knew
>feels good man
>>338708531
>No, that nerf would ensure no soldier ever would use it
I disagree, I think plenty of Soldiers would use it. Giving up small chunks of HP would be worth the speed advantage to many, just like how permanently losing 15HP is still not enough to discourage Scouts from using Sandman.
Besides, this is balance we're talking about. The key priority is eliminating the overpowered things. Once you get rid of all the OP things, weapon usage rates naturally even out because there is no "clear best" option remaining. And Escape Plan is overpowered, with its strength superseding its weaknesses.
>As much as you go on about how broken it is most of it is just armchair hypotheticals when the majority of the time it does as it was designed too without causing any key balance issues.
You're calling my arguments hypotheticals and dismissing them that way but not actually adressing how they could be wrong in practice.
What I am seeing is
(1): one weapon being used to the exclusion of nearly all others, and
(2): it giving Soldier an undeniable advantage over other classes.
Those two things ARE key balance issues. The game IS imbalanced in favour of those weapons.
>decide to play tf2
>join 2fort for old time's sake
>play engineer
>spy with bright yellow gibus keeps sapping sentry then just stabing
>keep unsapping sentry and it kills him for me
>when out of sentry range he just chases me holding down stabbutton when im not even in range
>shoot him to death
>also dealing with a soldier who was trying to attack my sentry nest with a rocket jumper
I fear for the next generation of "gamers" if they're this brain-dead.
>>338709610
The next generation of gamers will just be little faggots ERPing and being "friendly" because they're too afraid to put in the effort to git gud
this is the product of the soft, pampered SJW generation who are protected from any sort of conflict
>>338709610
yea I've seen enough rocket jumping soldiers trying to attack that weren't joking around that it worries me.
>>338709610
>IP:trade.skial.minecraftfun.pony.farmville.com
>Map rotation: 2fort with no time limit
Great.
What are some not-shit TF2 servers that allow client-side mods? If I join Valve severs, it boots me out of the game because one of my mods would break with the pure server.
>>338701742
Overwatch is the biggest ilusion i've ever seen on gaming, it's the product of publicity, it's not going to take much time until people realize that the game is blend and sucks.
It's is going to die pretty soon.
>>338708949
Almost daily since 2007. Why do you ask? Are you genuinely, honestly, seriously going to pretend that we have TF2 threads like we used to? Sure you can pretend that /tf2g/ killed them, but we have constant New Vegas, Dark Souls, MGS, ect threads up even though they also have generals. We used to have generals, raffle threads, the retarded TF2 single player threads, TF2 edits, ect but all that shit dried up years ago after the f2p scum and Valve's jewishness and laziness killed the game.
>>338708335
>EP might make you take more damage, but you'll also deal damage in return because you can catch people. Trying to get kills with Shovel will get you killed having done no damage.
That's true, but either way you're still risking yourself for big damage either way. It's basically the idea of a glass canon.
There has also been times where you could be running away from a pretty far distance with something like ~15ish health and a shot to your back with almost any weapon will take you out when it normally wouldn't. The minicrits mostly confirms that if you hit him with the escape plan he will die.
But the thing with TF2 is that it's a game with movement as one of its most important things in competitive play. The escape plan really helps with the movement options and that is why it's used the most just like how the Disciplinary Action being one of the other higher used items in matches of highlander. If you want the EP to really be fixed the only way to do it is to fix the speed increase but if that never happens then people will still continue to use the EP as long as it gives that personal speed buff.
>>338708930
Go for some classic Diablo 2/Boogie Nights memery and name is The Diggler.
Post your man costumes, we all know that that is the only thing that keeps this game going
>>338710670
>>338709991
Of course we don't have as many as we used to, the game is old as fuck. T¡But still, there are threads up ever now and then about people complaining about balance issues and that stuff.
so...................this........is..........the......power.....................of.............overwatch..............fags
TF2 would be so much fun if they had focused on gameplay over hats again.
>>338710670
This is my current heavy cosmetic loadout.
Love it.
>>338710168
>That's true, but either way you're still risking yourself for big damage either way. It's basically the idea of a glass canon
He was saying a downside of the Escape Plan is that "you can't use it to fight without the odds being stacked against you". But the odds with EP are actually better than stock, because with stock you won't get to hit anybody.
It's not so much about being a glass cannon, it's about actually being able to use it. EP can be used to kill without being kited, stock can't, so that makes it far better as a weapon (unless in an enclosed space where the enemy can't escape).
>There has also been times where you could be running away from a pretty far distance with something like ~15ish health and a shot to your back with almost any weapon will take you out when it normally wouldn't. The minicrits mostly confirms that if you hit him with the escape plan he will die.
True, but the Soldier with the Escape Plan is fully in control of when the minicrits are applying to him and when they are not. If he thinks that having it out for an escape will get him killed, he just puts it away, and is at no downside compared to if he'd just chosen the stock Shovel that day.
It's fully up to the Soldier using it, which means with basic common sense, you only reap the upsides and not the downsides.
You can even not use it as an escape tool at all if you think it's unsafe, and just use it to get into combat more quickly. And this is why I say it is a "free speed boost".
> If you want the EP to really be fixed the only way to do it is to fix the speed increase
I think that making it reduce healing you take from all sources, like i said, will balance it. Right now, the "-90% healing from medics" downside is actually an additional upside too, because it can be used to help build Uber.
>>338711328
Hopefully, with the thread of overwatch and the implementation of matchmaking they will.
They already did a tin of balance changes not-so-long ago.
>>338711448
*threat
>>338701905
They've literally been relying on the community to make content for them for the past several years now. Their dev team is miniscule compared to when it launched with updates every few months.
Anything that they actually can do is short-lived and often just limited to holidays or events.
>>338702942
Monday night combat was better than TF2.
>>338711535
>Their dev team is miniscule compared to when it launched with updates every few months.
this
valve has 300 people in their company working on Dota 2, CS:GO, TF2, the entire Steam platform, all their old game servers and occasional updates for their old games (l4d/ricochet/hl2DM etc), and whatever wacky project they have out at the time (steam machine, the lab)
compare that to a company like riot games, who has ONE THOUSAND people working on a SINGLE GAME (league of legends)
I'm not excusing Valve's shitty minimalist hiring policies, but it is impressive that they ever get anything done at all
>>338711795
Not really.
>>338711795
Monday Night Combat is better than current TF2, but not the pre-hat ortress 2
>>338711953
Current monday night combat is dead as fuck, what are you talking about?
>mfw a 2nd VAC banwave just went down
http://imgur.com/a/m6SU3
>>338712086
I'm talking about the games themselves, not the player-base. UBER pretty much killed MN with the release of the shitty SMNC.
>>338709857
>maximum damage control
>>338712273
It's true tho
>>338712340
yeah keep spouting damage control memes, I'll go have some real fun on Overwatch.
brb
>>338712180
>Ponyfag claims he/she/xe didn't do anything but got banned
>>338712180
>Raritybro
>"I did absolutely nothing wrong."
>>338712180
>furry, brony, "LE GAMER GURL," lmaobox mod and doge memer got raped
AAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA BLOWN THE FUCKING FUCK OUTTTTTT
Good riddance of those human scumclumps
>>338712404
You are the one spouting them against an argument, but k
>>338712180
>saw that Mordx guy in a thread here a couple weeks ago talking proudly about his hacks and posting videos of them
>mfw I see he got fucked
feels good
>>338712180
P U R G E
U
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G
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The more fags are banned, the better.
Anyone else been playing the Alternative modes in quickplay or whatever it's called?
It's been the most fun I've had with the game and I can finally find tc_hydro servers with players now too.
I don't care how many times people call hydro stalemate-y or confusing cause it's fun as fuck
>>338712634
Yeah, me. Just got out of a cp_degroot game
i actually don't mind Medieval despite the gimped melee hitboxes, but it's got some pretty serious balance issues. Seems like demoknight and sniper dominate all the time
>>338712634
yep
based volvo adding alternative servers, this game has some good shit on offer in the way of maps
>>338701742
It's still the 4th most played game on Steam though??
>>338712634
Custom or official servers?
>>338713547
official, valve put out an official server in every region now for maps that don't fit into other categories (hydro, doomsday, degroot, watergate)
>>338711365
>EP can be used to kill without being kited, stock can't, so that makes it far better as a weapon (unless in an enclosed space where the enemy can't escape).
To be fair though, you can say that about most of the melee weapons on the soldier. Because almost every allowed competitive melee weapon for Soldier has something to it that is better than stock, there is a downside but the shovel is probably one of the worst options in choices of melee for him. The Half-Zatochi can give full heals, Disciplinary has more range, Equalizer has dmg for less health, etc...
>If he thinks that having it out for an escape will get him killed, he just puts it away, and is at no downside compared to if he'd just chosen the stock Shovel that day.
If he just leaves it in, he'll just be as easy of a target just with more opportunities to get shot on because of how slow he is, It's one of those ideas where you could accept what could happen or try to escape it and live; and even then there are possibilities of just not expecting when something could happen and you could pull it out then immediately get shot by someone you weren't expecting.
>You can even not use it as an escape tool at all if you think it's unsafe, and just use it to get into combat more quickly. And this is why I say it is a "free speed boost".
On some competitive maps you can just jump some at some parts to reach mid/point. But one thing that is true is people do use it as a speed boost straight to point.
>I think that making it reduce healing you take from all sources, like i said, will balance it.
It might, but I feel like there could be a better option than just removing health from sources. The problem is the speed, so why not try to fix that instead?If I don't reply, my bad, could've possibly fell asleep.
>demoman never got a slow as fuck room-clearing explosive
>heavy never got that bofors cannon
>engineer never got buildings with different functions
I know it would have fucked up balance but I still wish they'd have gone with more creative weapon unlocks
m-maybe in TF3
>>338704875
>somehow, nobody is sure how, Valve got a hold of the LMAOBOX source code
Supposedly someone got a hold of it and emailed it to a Valve employee.
The lmaobox creator also had their computer comprised, and uploaded a version of lmaobox riddled with malware, so it might have been through that.
>>338702116Good news, we are going to live forever!
>>338713731
>To be fair though, you can say that about most of the melee weapons on the soldier.
For sure, I was just saying that he's not really right in calling Escape Plan a worse weapon than Shovel, which he was citing as a downside.
>he'll just be as easy of a target just with more opportunities to get shot on because of how slow he is
And the exact same thing would have happened if he was in that same situation but using the Shovel. Leaving the Escape Plan sheathed means you're just as likely to get shot as stock soldier. This is what I mean, there is no additional downside that you suffer which stock Soldier wouldn't suffer, unless you stupidly pull it out at the wrong time.
>The problem is the speed, so why not try to fix that instead?
Because I think that's what makes the weapon unique and interesting. I'd prefer to give the weapon a legit downside than to just lessen its upside, though I guess that could work too.
I like weapons balanced so they have a unique major upside from their stock variant, but a unique downside to balance it in return, like the Winger on Scout, or the Kritzkrieg on Medic.
>plays mge
>new player enters
>check'em
>ugc platinum
>mfw
>>338713971
Why would they do anything creative? Hats bring in profit.
You don't even see Valve at E3s anymore, they just don't care.
>>338714118
I said "nobody is sure how" because, and this is a slightly lengthy story but i tried to TL;DR it, there's a well known ex-hacker MaxBox who got caught hacking and called out on it, and he tried to "repent" in the community to become popular again; he claims it was him who sent the source code link to Valve, and I'm not sure if he's telling the truth or just trying to get back into the graces of the public.
At the end of the day I'm just glad I never hacked.
>>338701641
Dustbowl and Mountainlab are the only Attack/Defense maps that aren't shit
>Come back to TF2
>Heavy can now wear the Breakneck Baggies
CHEEKI BREEKI
>>338708687
There was a bunch of TF2 threads for the lmaobox ban wave last month.
>>338713971
>>engineer never got buildings with different functions
>THE SIEGE ENGINEER (MEDIEVAL ENGINEER PDA)
>Sentry is replaced by Catapult, which can be pushed around slowly on its little wheels, has no machine gun but fires aoe-damaging rocks from level 1, and the rocks become incendiary at level 3. Allies standing on the catapult will be launched forward like a boost pad.
>Dispenser is reskinned into Furnace
>Teleporter is replaced by 10 constructable Blocks, which have 300HP each, can be stacked on top of each other, and block enemy attacks and movement (except disguised Spies). Stacks of blocks will collapse if the bottom block is broken.
>>338713971
>>338715840
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Repair_Node
They've tried before.
You either replace the teleporter or the dispenser, and replacing either hurts the game flow.
>>338716098
I am fully aware of the Repair Node blogpost, and my PDA is designed around it, anon
The Catapult retains the function of the Teleporter that Engineer brings to his team, by allowing you to fling allies forward, thus transporting them where they need to go quickly.
The Dispenser stays exactly the same (I couldn't think of a way to change it that would keep things simple).
The Blocks, meanwhile, make up for the defensive capabilities you lose by not having your Catapult (sentry) at the objective. You build them around the objective, and just like if a sentry was defending, the enemy is forced to destroy the blocks before progressing on to the objectives.
>>338712404
It's amazing how everyone "Having Fun On Overwatch" always seems to be here and not playing it.
>>338704330
Every soldier uses it because it's a direct upgrade to the Shovel. Solider has pretty much no reason to ever use a melee weapon for combat, so free non-combat stuff at the cost of weakened combat abilities has no downsides
>>338711361
You better have some holiday punch on that loadout, son
>Not using Market Garden + Rocket Jumper + Mantreads/Base Jumper
>>338710670
I was thinking about swapping out the Skull Island Topper for the Coffin Kit. Any thoughts? I mean I'd wear them both if I could.
r8 my pyro
>>338717282
garbage
>>338717279
Fuck, forgot the picture.
I don't get Overwatch
>>338717165
>those pants
the fuck? his leg clip right through them in default animations.
they seriously stopped giving a shit about quality control with TF2.
>>338717589
What gave you that idea?
>>338717531
generally pretty good/10
medic is the weakest one
>>338717531
What's to get? It's a standard blizzard game. Same as Hearthstone, same as HoTS. People are gonna play the shit out of it, gush about how much they love it, jack off to the SFM porn.
And slowly, over time, people will begin to realize how much they hate it. Blizzard will make shit call after shit call, disappoint with every update, mutilate the balance of the game. The general public will eat this shit up, but fans can only put up with it for so long
Before you know it, people will be begging for vanilla servers and the "days of old" as if it wasn't, from the very beginning, a mediocre waste of time. It's the same asTF2
>>338701742
I like Overwatch but I see TF2 as having more of a deeper customization overall.
>Log into TF2 after a period of inactivity
>Drop into a random server
>The map is Hightower
>"Oh right, that Youtuber meme'd this map"
>Both teams are nothing but rocket jumping market garden soldiers and one engie
Other than crouching "friendly" heavies. Market garden soldiers are the fucking worst.
Hats killed tf2 and hats killed Valve
>>338718131
don't worry, that pretty much only happens on that one map. And Harvest
>>338717252
>MOMMY LOOK IM MUSELK!!!
>>338718131
>spam mini sentries
>half of the soldiers will rage in the chat
>other half will ragequit
Playing TF2 sure is hard.
I wonder if anyone here is going to recognize me
Not that you have any specific reason to
I've put 2000 hours into this game and I'm starting to see a decline in quality.
Last year was one of the worst years for TF2. Updates completely revolving around weapon skins? Cosmetic cases with CS:GO-esque tiers for hats? No smissmass weapons? No special Halloween event?
Hell, even the cosmetic case only have like 12 hats.
The last update I genuinely liked was Love&War. Why can't Valve do another one of those?
>>338712180
It's pretty funny at this point
>>338712458
>>338712543
A lot of people did not get banned
>>338712507
I already have a new account
>>338719389
>veil
wow, you're one of the 90% of sniper players
>>338719629
At least it's not the skull.
>tfw just got my first unusual ever a few days before overwatch came out
Whatever I'll still play both
>>338712180
Oh no, they banned a bunch of accounts with 1 game and 20 hours in a f2p game. The humanity!
>>338719602
gunmettle was one of the best updates there's been.
you're overlooking all the balance changes, new maps, and the contract system which all had a huge effect on actual gameplay. Some weapons were completely reworked so may as well be new weapons. If you think cosmetics are shit and only look at what cosmetics they added, then of course it looks bad.
Halloween kind of had the contract system and some new maps, although reusing all the old bosses wasn't as interesting.
>>338719989
gunmettle was good for balance, but its effects on performance were fucking AWFUL
>>338719989
>only one notable update in a 12 month time span
lmao
>>338720691
your point being?
while i would like more updates, there's already a fuckload of content to explore in tf2 for new players
I hate how we've reached a point where we don't even get Valve made updates anymore.
Valve just has the community make the updates, and then sells it back to the community.
>>338721407
It shows how much the devs really care about the game.
Best maps for their corresponding modes: GO!!!
>>338701641
I liked dustbowl when I was a shit player.
I now realise that Gorge is the only non-shit A/D map.
Upward is the best map.
>>338719065
>muselk
how did this faggot get popular? he was always trash in the aus scene, what made him appealing? serious question
>>338721985
Payload: Badwater
5cp: Process
Koth: Viaduct
ctf: Doublecross
Attack/Defense: Gravel Pit
Payload Race: Hightower
>>338721858
valve has 300 employees divided between managing the entire steam platform, dota 2, cs:go, server support for all their old games (eg ricochet/CS: source/HL2DM), and whatever retarded project they're working on at the moment, as well as TF2
compare this to riot games who has 1000 employees for a single game, League of legends, and it's amazing tf2 gets worked on at all
volvo try to only hire the best people with the best creative taste and thus work extremely slowly, but come out with good stuff
i'd like more updates, and there actually is an update on the way, i'd say they do actually care about tf2 somewhat.
>>338722258
star stopped making tf2 content and people wanted someone to replace him
Looking at modern TF2 makes my eyes hurt.
Why ruin such a simple and nice artstyle with rainbow-colored hats bullshit?
>>338721985
>5cp_granary
>cp_gorge
>pl_upward
>ctf_sawmill
>koth_lakeside
>have 3000+ hours
>practise aiming, memorize maps and do my best to git gud
>still absolute trash. too embarrassed to play with my friends
I would settle for being OK in pubs, but I can't even do that. Are there people who simply can't get good at video games? I just don't know what else to try. I tested my reaction time at school some years back, and I actually have well above average reaction time, so it's not that.
>>338721985
Payload: Upward
5CP: Gullywash
Koth: Badlands
CTF: Landfall
A/D: Gravelpit
Arena: Lumberyard
>>338722502
fuck off frogposter
>>338722451
and what did star do that made people like him
>>338722493
because they are attention whores
>>338722323
>viaduct
>good map
if you're a Sniper main then sure
without the product tunnel it's shit
>>338722351
Can't believe ricoshit is still a thing.
>>338722351
Don't kid yourself.
They're not updating tf2 anymore because its not their cash cow, the tf2 team is small as hell because valve doesn't care about it.
If they cared about it, that comic we were told was bi yearly, would have actually been bi yearly.
>>338722527
b a s e d
>>338706147
I'd like to see that as well.
>>338722502
you'll have more fun if you accept the fact that you're not good and take it less seriously
>>338722574
just consistant tf2 content and the fact that star isn't a total faggot like most youtubers I guess?
I still think he makes good content that he puts effort into compared to someone like muselk who goes down the daily, trashy content route.
>>338722662
the limpwristed faggot cunt known as b4nny was invited into the chocolate factory last week and said he's seen their recent update
https://twitter.com/4G_b4nny/status/729824004215689217
>>338723452
>mfw front face of tf2 competitive community is this huge ego fag
>>338723452
So Valve can't even do it themselves anymore and are having bunny do it?
Jesus Christ its worse than I thought.
>>338723610
HURR DURR SHUT UP U IDIOT
STOFFF ITTT PLAY DA GAME PROPERLY UR ALL IDIOTS
I GOT KEKED SO THAT MAKES U AND IDIOT!!!!
EVERYONES AND IDIOT IM THE ONLY PERSON WHOS NOT AND IDIOT PFFFFFRRRRRTTTT
>>338723829
No, B4nny just went there and they showed him what's going to be in the update. He's not actually doing it.Although I hope he didn't try giving them any tips or anything, or all the offclasses will basically be deleted.
What is the manliest engie gun and why is it the Widowmaker?
>>338701742
Free to play killed TF2
