I know you miss me, but you're just too proud to admit it.
It's still my favorite, and I say that with no irony at all. I beat all of them, but have logged triple the hours on DS2. It's comfy and better suited to methodically exploring with a shield/spear. Also I don't mind that most bosses are humanoid knights because it's castle - based so I expect to find the majority of those types of bosses. /V has been pants-on-head dumb about DS2 for years.
>>338614502
Dark Souls 3 is a great game, but fuck me it felt like it took too many steps back compared to DS2
>no poise
>no proper dual stancing
>smaller weapon and armor variety
>less spells that are even shittier and nerfed than in DS2
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much fanservice, which ironically is one of the reasons everyone shits on DS2
>even more liner
>way too many gimmick bossfights
I like them all, but DS1 will always be the king.
>>338614502
It's a marginal thing but i liked it more because it had new cool areas like heide, eleum loyce, tseldora not anor londo again, izalith 2, valley of defilement 2, generic catacomb #3647474
>>338614502
I like DS2 more than 3 at the moment. 3 is such a chore to play.
1>3>2
DS2 > DS3 > DS2 > BB > DeS
not poo - posting at all. That's how much I enjoyed each
>>338617079
you wrote DS2 twice,
which one did you mean to be just DS?
>>338615441
People thought 2 was fanservicey? Jesus, 3 has more "get it, like DS1??!!??!? Xdxdxd" than any game ever.
>>338617079
I like Bloodborne and DS2 the most, which basically means that most /v thinks I should be put in an oven.
Ita so bullshit i need to go to the ng++ to get the last miraclea and pyromancys there is anyway u can rush thia game? I'm lvl 180 and i just started ng+
it was a more interesting sequel, but 3 is the higher quality sequel
>>338617510
People threw a massive shitfit because it had Ornstein on it, which I guess is understandable, the four Great Ones had the souls of the DS1 bosses, which was such an obscure and subtle reference to them, plus you got them only on NG+, and the Sunlight Altar. All things DS3 has, in even larger amounts. It's like playing Bloodborne with a DS1 coating.
Also I forgot to add DS2 had much better NG+ than DS1 and DS3.
>>338617370
oh come on that's obvious
DS2 is a much worse looking game, but I feel like the lighting is actually much better if you run around with the torch. I just started scholar of the first sin after playing the original game and they added like invisible hollows that you can only find by their shadow and they give you great stuff.
Also DS2 switching so many things up between SotFS and both NG+ makes it the only game worth playing more than once. It's like an entirely new game with new weapons/armor to collect and all sorts of new encounters. It's really a shame that all DS3 offers is the full lothric sword and rings that give you +40% cast speed instead of the normal +30% that's pretty much max cast speed anyway.
>>338614502
The only thing I miss is guardbreak which is so much better than the shitty kick.
Everything else can fuck right off, especially powerstance and those giant ass weapons inspired by korean mmos. DaS2 is pretty much Dark Souls: Anime Edition.
Also, next to zero invasion in 350 hours played.
>>338614502
Going to play it as soon as I'm off work. Love it.
>>338614502
I really did not.
2 is a chinese knock-off game that was a slog to play start to finish. Every other game in the souls franchise is miles better in every way.
DLC was good though
>>338615441
I have 500 hours in Scholar
>>338615423
finally someane who thinks like me about dark souls 2. it seems like the people on /v/ either don't like it or are just following the 'meme' to call dark souls 2 a bad game. even though it had alot of great features that are not to be found in dark souls 1 or dark souls 3
>>338617510
I haven't even played 3 and I thought that 2 recycled way too much content from 1. Christ that's terrible. Maybe I'll pick up 3 if the issues are fixed in the dlc.
i can't buy the game . because i live in faking poor country . i have only the torrent version
>>338620763
Steam family sharing is your friend.
>>338617908
>Great Ones had the souls of the DS1 bosses
This was in NG+ though.
Are we really supposed to believe that NG+ additions are canon?
>>338619226
DaS1 and 3 feel so easy after playing DaS2 though. After putting 500 hours in DaS2, I feel like I just slept through DaS3 because of non-stop unpunishable rolling + instant Estus.
Dark souls 2 is literally the worst game of all time made me vomit and sterile killed my father raped my mother etc.
As a long time extreme souls fan, I have never gotten tired of ANY souls game as quickly as I did with das3.
I have literally no desire to play 3 after putting hundreds of hours into into the others. It's just SOOOOO BLAND.
If you have beaten ds2 more than once you're retarded and need to kill yourself for the benefit of humanity.
Since this is a souls thread, I wanted to ask a question:
I'm looking to pick up Demon's Souls, a bit late, I know. Did Demon's Souls get any dlc, and if so, is there a version of it I can get that has all of it? Or would I have to get it through PSN.
>>338622434
Ironically, it makes even less sense to play through DS3 more than once due to the crippled nonlinearity, lack of viable builds, and lack of NG+ content.
>>338614502
For all the shit people gave about the pve in DaS2, at least it had some level gimmicks that changed things up. DaS3 is lacking areas like the gutter, shaded woods, shulva, brume tower, earthen peak, amana, no mans warth etc. All it has is a poor mans valley of defilement. I was so hyped for the giant archer, but it turned out to be nothing.
>Not playing Bloodborne instead
What's wrong? Not gud enough or no PS4?
>>338622821
pretty much this
>hmm what should I do today.. guess I can play dexfag, pyromancy.
What is even the point of armor in this game. It literally does anything and vitality is pointless
>>338622665
It's never too late to pick up a classic. No DLC and yes I think you can only get it through PSN.
If Dark Souls 2 re-released with Dark Souls 3 graphics, I wouldn't be playing DaS3.
>>338623235
Yeah, me too, they'd just need to make it have 3's animations, level design, and mechanics too.
>>338623518
But DS3 has the worst mechanics in the series.
>>338614502
I never actually got to scholar content because the base game was just so fucking boring
>>338623518
>animations
No
>level design
Fuck no
>mechanics
why are you even typing.
I do not know, man.
Shrine of Amana and The Gutter always persuade me not to replay the game.
>>338614502
No, DS3 is better in every aspect,except for one:Red Iron Twinblade
>>338624014
But Shrine Of Amana is amazing. It's not even that hard, all you need is some basic dodging skill.
And Gutter is pretty atmospheric - again, you can smash the statues with impunity if you have the foresight to bring a backup weapon.
>>338614502
WILL YOU MARRY ME OP?
>>338624014
Shrine is fun as fuck considering dodging magic is the only time in the game where combat (outside of bosses) isn't "side step or roll then backstab".
>>338614502
Played three bosses into this game the other day and quit. It's worse than I expected. I thought the people shitting on it were exaggerating.
>>338614502
I beat 1, started playing SOTFS but stopped early on because 3 came out, and I wanted to play it while it was new.
I have to say, what I played of 2 felt better than 3. 2 actually felt like something different and fresh, 3 feels like more of the same so far.
DS2 is still the best in the series.
My brother on his ng+5 of ds3 and its so ridiclously easy that I installed dark souls 1 and told him to play it and he gotten to the 3rd bonfire so far before going back to dark souls 3, cause dark souls 1 is 'slow and clunky'
He has ds2, ds3 his first ds game so I can't expect much, but I feel like dark souls 2 is prob the 'easiest' dark souls to become familar with, cause he swings like a retard all the time and has his friends carry him.
I know he will never beat dark souls 1 without co-op so my point I'm trying to say is that dark souls 2/3 are more casual than dark souls 1 and that dark souls 2 is prob the most balanced of the 3, considering its diffculty scaling with the estus shard collecting and purchasble healing equipment, compared to the crazy heal amount in ds1 and the overstocked estus in ds3
>>338624161
God I miss twinblades, Dragonrider twinblade was my go to weapon for many of my playthroughs.
But more than anything I miss having full left handed weapon movesets, instead of the fucking retarded blocking animation. It doesn't make any god damn sense.
BB > DS1 > DeS > DS3 >>>>>>>> dog shit >>>>>>>> cock >>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sotfs >>> DS2
I never tried any of the DLC, I traded in DS2 within a month of release b/c soul memory made everything pointless.
>>338624460
Des>BB>DaS2>DaS3>DaS1
Dark Souls 1 was terrible, half of the game was unfinished.
What is the justification for the weird hitboxes as far as DaS2 fans are concerned?
>>338614502
After playing through 3 3 times, I went back to SOTFS. I remember thinking 3 was easier but goddamn I'd forgotten how much harder 2 was.
>>338624497
Found the co-op cuckold
>>338624460
>liking video games and dog poop more than cock
Found the faggot.
>>338614502
>DS1
>to level up, find a bonfire
>DS2
>to level up, find a bonfire, teleport to Majula, talk to the girl, skip her four opening lines, kneel
I seriously hate when things become worse in a sequel.
>>338624460
>rating cock as 5th in your list
>dogshit rated higher than cock
faggot.
What's a babby mode class in ds3 for cruise control PVE?
>>338624574
Git gud
>>338624642
it was lore related though
its still the worst in the series, by a fairly wide margin
I'm willing to accept that different people have different tastes, but I can't think of a single thing that DS2 didn't do worse than DS1
or at best attempted to mix together the features of demon souls without really understanding what made that game good
the proof of this is that all of the changes that DS2 introduced were discarded for DS3
>>338624642
>what is lore?
Retard.
>>338624574
At least half of the people complaining about hitboxes were just people who didn't know what ADP was.
I've never seen anything particularly worse than DS1/DS3.
>>338624561
only area in the second half i would deem shit is demonruins/lostizalith. the rest is fine and way better than any of the areas in 2
its like they took the level designers for demon ruins, told them to smoke crack and make DS2
If Scholar of the First Sin found a need to shuffle all of the enemies, then maybe the enemies weren't placed in a meaningful way in the first place.
>>338624774
and checkmate DS2 sucked.
>>338618324
I got invaded yesterday in sinner's rise at lvl 180. I didn't think anyone was playing anymore on PS4 since there were no summon sign near the bosses.
>>338624752
>I've never seen anything particularly worse than DS1/DS3.
That's a dumb comparison. It's like saying, "Oh, my left arm is broken, but it's only as broken as my right arm, which is also broken."
>>338624774
>Dark Souls
>meaningful anything
These guys can't be arsed to write an actual story and you expect them to pay attention to details like enemy placements?
>>338624748
>but I can't think of a single thing that DS2 didn't do worse than DS1
It was a finished game, for one thing.
>the proof of this is that all of the changes that DS2 introduced were discarded for DS3
Your argument that these features were bad is not based on how they affected the gameplay but that the same developer that introduced those features made the rookie mistake of scrapping them entirely instead of fixing them?
>>338624905
It's a good comparison when Dark Souls fans proclaim that one is significantly worse than the other.
>>338624574
SHOCKWAVESThey also excuse it by saying that 1 had bad hitboxes too (which it did), even though 2's are still consistently worse and it still doesn't justify anything.
>>338614502
I hope Alsanna was freed from watching the Chaos by DS3 and lives happily ever after
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UScsme8didI
>>338624752
Here's some pasta for you senpai.
Good changes DaS2 made that FROM removed in DaS3 for some retarded reason
>Ascetics, not to respawn enemies but to respawn bosses
>Able to use a weapons full moveset in the left hand
>Powerstance
>Upgrading shields actually improved their stats, not just the stability
>Depleting your stamina caused your character to breathe heavily
>You didn't lose your momentum from falling down 2 feet
>Poise wasn't as retarded as in 1 or as useless as in 3
>Slower estus recovery animation
>Increased rolling stamina cost
>Interacting with the environment unlocked secrets, like lighting all the scones in The Gutter
>Other secrets like the pig and the pickaxe
>Pharros Lockstones and Fragrant Branches to manipulate the environment
>Getting wet reduced your characters lightning resistance while boosting your fire resistance
>NG+ didn't just increase enemy HP and damage, it added new enemies and items
>rolling in poison pools made your poison build up continue even on dry land because you were still covered in it
>rolling in snow/poison/water covered you in it, and it slowly disappeared
>You could activate several pools of blood at once, resulting in hilarity
>You could be invaded even if you were hollow and if the boss was dead, but at a lower chance
>You could burn an effigy to block invaders, but as a result you blocked summons as well
>Poison builds were not only viable, they were useful
>You could roll in more directions when locked on
>Hexes were fleshed out
>White phantoms couldn't Estus with an invader in the world
>Small soapstones if you wanted help with the area before a boss, without having to Black Crystal to solo the boss
>>338614502
I would actually reinstall you if the online wasn't dead.
DaS3 PvP bored within a few days thanks to broken covenants and the straight sword/cestus meme.
What's with the random red enemies in SOTFS? I'm not talking about the invading ones, just the basic enemies now coated in red.
>>338625197
Even though this will go over poorly, and is probably false-flagging, I can't help but be happy that you're giving this guy more views.
>>338625197
jesus, looks like a ps2 game
ds2 truly was the dark days of souls
>>338624460
>DeS
>above anything
LMAO
>>338625197
Doesn't prevent me from enjoying the game none the less.
>>338624254
I played the game with proper brightness settings and had to use the torch to see the deep water.
I dodged the soul arrows by actually running around them. Shit was fun as fuck.
Screw those miyazakimatosis cocksuckers for being petty bitches.
>>338614502
Objectively speaking
DS = BB > DS2 > DS3 > DeS
3 just barely edges out DeS because it has good bosses, but the world of DeS is better. DS3 had the weakest environments/level design in the franchise.
>hold your shield up and circle strafe, the game
no thanks tanimura
>>338625237
This is all your fault. You decried DaS2 as a bad game. You made From roll back these changes. You're the reason these features were removed.
Hope you're proud of yourself.
>>338625275
Those are NG+ changes, unless I'm forgetting some from NG.
Demon Souls had them too, in NG even.
>>338620509
they just couldn't make the transition from fighting one enemy at a time to multiple (read: git gud) so they say the game is bad.
>>338624774
So do I have to buy DaS2 twice to enjoy it remotely?
>>338625002
>rookie mistake of scrapping them entirely instead of fixing them?
Besides ascetics and NG+, scrapping them WAS fixing them.
>>338623518
DaS3's animations are so fucking bad compared to DaS2.
This isn't even a subjective topic.
>>338614502
I have two gripes
The floaty feeling of movement doesn't suit the stye of gameplay
Enemy placement was designed to be as tedious and not fun as possible because it had to follow up with the Prepare to Die™ monikerCaestus was fucking baller though, I'm fucking pissed about them in DS3
>>338625460
half of that shit doesnt make te core game any better
its fundamentally flawed
it's time to give it a rest tanimura, let big m handle game directing from now on
>>338625503
This explain why I couldn't remember ever seeing them before.
I'm almost done with DaS1 and I want to buy Scholar, but all the negative opinions make me scared.
>>338625593
You're fucking with me, right? There's no souls game with worse animations than DaS2's floaty, mocapped player animations.
>>338625703
SOTFS is better than DS2
>>338615423
>It's comfy and better suited to methodically exploring with a shield/spear
My brother.
The halberd moveset was wonky at first, but I fucking miss it -- especially the thrust from behind shields
>>338624685
Assassin if you aren't totally brain dead and only tend to die around bosses and tougher enemies
Pyromancer if you just die at every turn
>>338625703
Save your money. The dlc isn't that much better than the base game anyways
>>338625593
>DaS2 floaty bullshit
>better than anything
>>338625583
Removing the two best features of DaS2 was fixing them?
>I want my NG+ run to be exactly the same as my NG run.
How can anyone hold this opinion? They even had the foresight to include ascetics for people who didn't want to go into NG+ but still experience the content.
should I bother? I just beated ds3, and i never touched the dlc before, but having already beat the game by punching everything to death im unsure if any other build will be as satisfying.
JUST
>>338625967
>for people who didn't want to go into NG+
You mean scrubs who weren't gud enough to get up to NG+?
>>338614502
I dont miss you
Fuck You
Fuck every last extra ass healing item
Fuck them easy ass bosses
Fuck your elaborate ass story
Fuck your forced ass Dark souls 1 memes
and last of all
Fuck all 500 hours i spent in that game ;-;
>>338625967
>Besides ascetics and NG+
Try reading my post again.
>>338625757
>>338625879
The PvP in DaS1 and 3 says otherwise.
The animations are purposely slower to keep retarded ass shit from happening and to punish the played from being an idiot. In DaS1 you can just fish for backstabs and strafe all day like your character was created in terrible stop-motion, DaS3 everything just blends together and you can sanic roll all day to safety and spam attacks like a haphazard retard with the only counter being parrying, which is why the PvP blows so hard and the main game is so fucking brainlessly easy.
>>338625703
Just play it and form your own opinion. Opinions are skewed towards the negative side because many of them are talking about non-SOTFS DS2 which really was kinda bad.
Even if it's not DS1 quality, I can't imagine not getting your money's worth out of it.
I loved DaS2, but I still like DaS3 better.
Sorry OP
>>338626196
My bad, senpai.
>>338625757
>mocapping
>bad
You're one of these 3Dpd spouters aren't you?
Shave off your neckbeard alreay.
>>338625703
If you play on PC just give it a pirate. The port is quite good and sort of toaster compatible even.
So why is the Dark Souls sequel called "Dark Souls 3" when it's only the second Dark Souls game?
>>338625856
But there still isn't an area in any Souls game that gets even close to being as good as Eleum Loyce was.
>recycled AI: the game
>>338626468
>No Demon Souls
Well you tried to sound clever. Maybe next time.
>>338614502
Why do you keep making this thread, you autist.
>>338625197
>Matthewmatosis
Didn't watch
>>338626468
God damn this made me so mad. If DS2 didn't exist we could've gotten another quality dark souls game
>>338614502
Not in the least.
I don't agree with people who think DS2 is the strongest in the series in any way, shape or form, but I've learned to live with their opinions as long as they keep to themselves.
Then again, I'm in the camp that proclaims Bloodborne to be the best, most concise full package game, so most of the PC crowd want me gassed and silenced anyway.
>>338625703
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9jrShSwjPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rrs9bdrwO4
It's just cult drama. DaS2 is a fine game if you adapt.
>>338614502
it's a little slower in certain aspects than the first and third one, and the durability is a bit annoying, but I still prefer 2 over the other by far.
>>338626658
If DaS2 didn't exist we'd be stuck with 1 good Dark Souls game and an easier, clunckier, version of a shitty Bloodborne clone.
At least DaS2 tried to move the series forward.
>>338625703
Don't. It's the worst game of all time. Just play Superman 64 instead, which is unironically a better game.
>>338626876
More like move the series back
>>338626719
>if you adapt
>because adaptability is the only thing that makes the game playable
I don't miss your shitty, Devil May Cry 2 tier attack animations.
Or the broken healing system that lets you basically have infinite healing not too far into the game.
Or how you somehow look worse than DaS1 or even Demon's Souls
>>338626990
This man speaks the truth.
>$20 to upgrade to a playable version of DaS2
What is this shit? Shouldn't this just be free?
>>338626876
>tried
And failed.
>>338614502
I've played the souls game in this order:
BB, DeS, DaS, Das3, and now Im going through DaS2.
Everything about this game is mediocre. And I'm playing Sotfs. The boss fights are horrible, the areas suck (so far, except for the docks, those were mildly memorable).
Its a mediocre, shitty game, and a shitstain on an otherwise great series.
>>338626403
>mocapping in anything unrealistic
>good
It has nothing to do with whatever 3DPD nonsense you're spouting, if Dark Souls was a realistic series then motion capture would work great, just as it has in other realistic games. But if you take a game like DaS or Monster Hunter with slow, deliberate combat and uncancelable animations, and you don't exaggerate it significantly from real life, it'll just end up looking and feeling like trash.
anyone else thinks DS2 had a better base game than sotfs
>>338626680
And yet the entire PS4 crowd hales BB as the single greatest achievement of this generation, if not video game history. There's no middle ground with BB.
>people never had to shitpost about das1 this way when 2 came out
What does this tell us?
>>338625703
Don't. Go straight to 3.
>>338614502
Not really, no.
>>338614502
Having originally only played vanilla on PS3, I bought SOTFS a few weeks after my disappointment began to build with DaSIII.
Before DaSIII I too subscribed to the 'DaSII is bad' meme, but the contrast of DaSIII has made me realise just how innovative and original DaSII was in terms of gameplay and in narrative direction.
Judging by the threads on /v/, with each passing day more and more people have come to see DaSII in a new light. With time, it's superiority over DaSIII will be consensus.
>>338626998
>More like move the series back
DaS2 is better than DaS1. At least the second half of the game was actually finished.
>>338627119
Rather try and fail, than just fail, which is was DaS3 has done. God willing, maybe the DLC can save it like DaS2's did.
DaS3 fails on so many things and gutted the features that previous entries actually did well. It's like a half-assed game they decided to make after they realized they have a fuck-ton of unused Bloodborne assets still lying around.
>>338627454
>>338627521
samefag
In ds2 i dodge rolled everything to death, at least in ds1 i didn't dodge into attacks because i thought i'd be safe with i frames.
>>338627454
So the Zelda cycle of Dark Souls?
fuck me if i want to go back again to gank souls 2. is there anymore blatant gank bossfight other than 2?
>ruin sentinel
>sinner (ng+)
>gargoyle
>flexile(ng+)
>lord skeleton
>chariot
>rat authority
>fredja
>rat vanguard
>dragonrider 2.0
>looking glass knight
>elana
>3 cosplayer
>lud and zallen
>ivory king(he got cool entrance i give him pass)
fucking pathetic. also >>338625593
nice joke i have a better character control in das3 with choppy 10fps on my toaster compared to super floaty + delay movement in das2.
Dark Souls 3>Dark Souls>SotFS>Demon's Souls>>>>>>>>>>>>Dark Souls 2
I've played Blood Borne and I adore it but I feel l like its less a Souls game and more heavily inspired by them instead.
>>338626998
Ironic that you post this because for every step forward DS3 takes, it takes two steps backwards.
>>338627521
I'd rather have an unfinished masterpiece than finished trash any day.
>>338627647
Then you were playing DS1 poorly because the dodge system works the same way.
In fact, DS1 was far more generous with the i-frames than DS2 and DS3 is more generous still.
>>338615423
>Completed Dark Souls 3 times
>Completed Dark Souls 2:SoTFS 8 times
>Completed Bloodborne 3.5 times
>Completed Dark Souls 3 twice
I don't have the enthusiasm to start another Dark Souls 3 character, yet would happily start another SoTFS playthrough without hesitation. It's the one out of the entire series I enjoy playing the most.
>Favourite combat
>Favourite build variety
>inb4 "muh disconnected world"
>>338627595
Incorrect.
>>338627671
I don't think so, besides the bosses which are markedly better in DaSIII, DaSII is better in every way that I can think of.
>>338615423
Same here. Comfiest hub as well.
Although I've already put 140 hours into DS3, so I'm 60 hours away from catching up with DS2.
>>338624185
>the worst designed levels in the game are amazing
dude, come on, the gutter is a boring piece of shit if you don't run through it and amana is a slog
>>338627595
Those two posts aren't even written the same.
>>338627708
>nice joke i have a better character control in das3 with choppy 10fps on my toaster compared to super floaty + delay movement in das2.
That proves my point you retard.
Any moron can get through DaS3 just mashing roll and throwing out random attacks like they're fighting a pinata. That's the whole fucking crux of DaS3's problem.
>>338627840
>unfinished
>masterpiece
Pick one.
Lost Izalith is literally the worst area in the entire fucking series.
>>338627949
Sure, if you enjoy eating shit
>>338624014
I recommend actually exploring Shrine of Amana, finding the Helix Spear room was awesome when playing through the game for the second time. Plus, the Helix Spear itself is a unique kind of weapon that should have been brought into Dark Souls 3. Really, Dark Souls 2 beats Dark Souls 3 in all combat sectors except for moveset size (not diversity, but potential of what you can do with one weapon), overall feel, and enemy design. From Software seriously should have put the Dark Souls 2 weapon team to more work.
>>338627521
please tell me what exactly that das3 did fail so bad with no redeem point other than weapon balance adjustment which always can be fixed gradually with patches like previous entries do and poise meme?
>>338627898
Really? I distinctly noticed getting hit by gargoyles even with the roll, at what time are the i frames active?
>>338628276
You can't hold your shield up and circle strafe
>>338627708
All I'm hearing is "I get upset and frustrated when more than one enemy is on the screen" because at least half of those fights are super fun.
>>338628198
It's always Lost Izalith. That one admittedly terrible area in a whole game is somehow the breaking point, but you'll celebrate 2.
why do people hate emerald heart but love the firekeeper in ds3?
>>338628276
no full off hand weapon moveset.
>>338628198
>implying you can't just roll through ds2 with ease
Fuck off.
>>338628293
I don't know when, exactly, the i-frames activate but the number of invincibility frames is public knowledge.
>>338628617 emerald herald is a qt.3.14
>>338628198
>LOOK AT ME I CAN EAT THIS ROTTEN SHIT IM SO COOL AND TRYHARD. THAT FOOD WASNT ROTTEN ENOUGH SO ANYBODY CAN EAT THAT BUT NOT ME I WANT CHALLENGEEE!!
>>338628276
Where to begin...
>Most linear game in the series by far
>The narrative is extremely uninspired compared to DaSII and draws much of its impact from DaS/DeS references
>PvP is 'what where they thinking' tier
>Hideously unbalanced (Dark Sword and Estoc are silly)
>Magic is boring and objectively terrible
>Covenants don't work
>Bad enemy variety, you fight those Greirat lookalikes in Undead Settlement and are still fighting them in Grand Archives without so much as a reskin
>Samey environments (how many churches are there in this game? 5?)
>Several of the genuinely good ideas of DaSII have been completely abandoned
>Mechanically flawed, rapid estus sips and rolls being as good as they are was a bad idea, especially for PvP purposes.
It has better bosses than DaSII on the whole and better voice acting on the whole. That's literally it, DaSII is better in every other way.
>>338628684
Well that's no use, if ds2's i frames activate instantly then it's basically just a invincidodge, all i know is that i tried the same "hit b as the enemy swings" that i learned in ds2 and in ds1 i'd get my ass hit.
>>338628416
Hilarious considering I did that and died no more than 5 times on a single boss (Aldrich)
>>338629020
>hurr aldrich never used the move that explicitly punishes me for doing this "strat"
>boss is ez pz
cmon
>>338628617
BEARER SEEK SEEK LEST
>>338628276
>Let's ignore Poise.
Alright, I'll break it down for you.
>Instant Estus
Pretty much makes PvP a joke once more because everyone can roll away and drink to their health unpunished 9/10 times.
>Everything to do with rolling.
Do I even need to extrapolate on this?
>Stats
Numerous stats, outside of "le ebin Poise meme" are fucking worthless. Resistances are terrible, Armor is worthless, Vitality has no use, etc.
>Armor
What armor? There's so few armor sets, and most of the armor sets in this game are just fanservice to DaS1.
>Weapons
Horrible fucking balancing issues, but I'm not supposed to complain about this because there might be an update anywhere from a month to six months from now that might fix shit, or you know, break it even worse, because this is From.
>Covenants
I don't need to explain this. They're fucked or worthless, most of them are just shittier variations of DaS2's.
>Magic
Borderline useless, but maybe it'll get fixed.
>Weapon Movesets
Fucking terrible. Offhands are now there to be half-assed as fuck. Powerstacing is gone. But at least we got Naruto-tier "Weapon Arts".
I'm not typing up an essay for you, because you're clearly a blathering moron who can't see obvious flaws.
>Linearity
So much so that I felt two playthrough were more than enough.
>>338628652
>Comparing DaS2's roll, which has the least i-frames and requires the most timing to use effectively, to DaS3's 13 i-frame faster animation tiny stamina cost roll.
You fucked up, go sit in the corner and never talk about this topic again.
>>338628416
>turtling strafe is acceptable now
let just ignore the fact that it was one of the biggest criticism in previous souls series. also use a greatshield and for fuck sake manage your own stamina consumption.
>>338628637
minor shit. plus they gave room for weapon art which is much better.
>>338629408
The time at which i frames come into effect is more important than the ammount of iframes themselves, having it close to the start of the roll creates a situation where you just roll whenever someone is swinging at you, i'm not gonna deny that ds3 has this too, but implying that ds2 is better because it has the same flaws of ds2 makes no fucking sense.
>>338629127
Aldritch is easy you dumb cocksucker
>>338629304
yes, dialogue - just like with the firekeeper
seriously, can I get an honest answer, or will people just admit to being hypocrites?
>>338629408
Off hands and power stancing serves no purpose other than muh dual wielding
Weapon arts are so much better it's not even worth debating
>>338627068
It is. You get the dlc and "better graphics". The free patch added some shit like new enemy placements.
>>338629710
>hurr durr soul arrows with homing soul arrows with arrows of ultimate death
>ez
I beat OnS in 3 tries first time with a broadsword and unupgraded armour, go suck a dick.
>>338629635
You could of had a full left handed moveset AND weapon arts, but of course that would require basic thinking.
>also weapon arts is a shitty gimmick no one uses.
Theres a difference between a direct sequel referncing the last game and a game doing fanservice.
>>338629710
Still harder than 90% of the bosses in 2
>>338614502
Been playing this recently since I just got into the series with DaS3, and fuck I can't wait to be done with this garbage and have more fun going through NG+ DaS3, while I wait until I either have the money for a PS3 or until From puts DeS and DaS on PS4 in some form.
>>338629642
>>338629000
The only info I can find with my five second google search is a fucking gamefaqs thread which claims DS1 i-frames activate instantly. It's a terrible source, but I have no reason to believe he would be wrong about such a simple point so it's really on you to prove that your anecdote on rolling is correct.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/606312-/63774400
>>338629642
While you're right, it's mostly that rolling costs almost nothing in DaS3 and the ending lag from a roll is easier to cancel into another roll more quickly.
>>338629739
>Off hands and power stancing serves no purpose other than muh dual wielding
No shit you stupid fuck.
>Weapon arts are so much better it's not even worth debating
Because having both was just too difficult, despite the fact that there were weapons in DaS2 that practically had the proto-version of Weapon Arts during Power Stance.
>>338629739
It's about variety. In DaSII, you could mix special weapon effects in with dual wielding by having, say, the Channeler's Trident in your offhand.
You could also reap the benefits of two different kind of weapons, you could have a speedy dagger in one hand and a long range spear in the other, for example.
>>338628905
>legit argument
>lol fuck no there are nothing more shittier than das2 narrative
>weapon balance problem can always be fixed
>again weapon balance read my fuckin post
>almost legit argument although magic has always been boring in all souls game unless you think 2-shotted bosses with magic is fun.
>only darkmoon which can always be fixed gradually
>minor shit
>not true
>few minor quality life adjustment isnt worth a salt
>because of the nature of the game pace itself. you will never got passed vordt or god forbid pontiff if you have das2 cripple roll iframe.
also oppositely
>better bosses by a miles
>better environment
>better level design
>better lore and subplot
>better atmosphere
>more distinctive music
>better graphic
>better npc quest excluding quest bug and complexity.
>>338630186
This desu. allowing for a full moveset for off hand users opened up the potential for many interesting builds. Now, I probably see about three different builds in DaS3.
>>338622358
I was only able to put about 100 hours into DaS3 before getting bored and uninstalling. Went back to bloodborne and had infinitely more fun and finally got platinum.
I'm glad Miyazaki is done with souls 2bh
>>338627260
You could lead a better life by not making up issues, m8.
But that would require growing a dick.
>>338630367
>more distinctive music
90% are just some loud af choir, nothing stands out besides oceiros and cursed greatwood.
>>338625237
>Fist weapons still sucked
>>338630186
you do less damage in power stance and your attack comes out slower so what's the point? It's a fucking meme at this point don't even try and defend this shit
>>338630367
Explain to me what was wrong with DaSII's narrative and why you believe DaSIII's is better.
>>338630367
>DaS3 isn't bad because I can cover my ears and scream about how From will go out of their way to practically overhaul all of the things wrong with the game.
Outside the Linearity, useless covenants, and complete removely of good mechanics from previous entries, or the fact that the game in general has been casualized and dumbed down, where as DaS2 tried to go in the opposite direction.
Almost all the Bosses in DaS3 were easy as fuck.
>>338630884
I think you might be retarded.
i and my steam bro try to finish dark souls 3 with whips
it's suffering, whips were so much fun in dark souls 2
>>338631005
you're the retarded one who enjoys garbage games like ds2
>>338630823
But that's not true.
>>338629913
>shitty gimmick where no one use
>a warcry art that can literally oneshotted enemies in 1 combos.
>a spin2win art than can literally stunlocked you to death if it combined with weapon buff.
>sword stance/shield splitter that can be super useful in pve against tutrtle mob
>stomp that literally gave you hyperarmour
>morne hammer wotg/swordspear lightning stake
>preserverence than give you a literal poise in this nonexistant poise state.
just becasue you butthurt shit and doesnt know how to use it doesnt mean everyone doesnt like it.
>>338631153
Isn't it impossible to hit the Greatwood because of the whip's hitbox
>>338629913
>full left handed moveset that's pretty much useless because you're only ever needed to use 1 weapon in pve anyways
will the parry -> one shot thing ever get fixed?
>>338630774
still better than 90% das2 music. and i dont even know what that 10% is.
>>338631535
DS3 does not change that, but they also decided to give the finger to anyone who wanted to have fun with a two-hand build.
>>338631595
kek
>>338631561
hornet ring baby
you can't do anything about it
>>338631005
>le prepare to die namco bandai meme
fuckoff if the only thing that can ramping up the difficuty factor is by gimping the player control then it was shit to begin with. and fuck no outside of overrelliance with gank mob and player horrible control das2 bosses can eat das3 dirt shit.
>>338631228
>you're the retarded one who enjoys garbage games like ds2
Well at least we know you ran out of retarded shit to argue with.
>>338631351
>just becasue you butthurt shit and doesnt know how to use it doesnt mean everyone doesnt like it.
It's pretty obvious that Weapon Arts are useful.
It's also obvious that From is retarded, and removed shit that didn't need to be removed.
>>338615423
>exploration
>in Dark Souls 2
the majority of areas are just hallways
>>338631987
>I'm too stupid to put literally 10 points into ADP to make the game play identically to DS1.
>They gimped the controls!
>>338626198
>>338625593
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OejmEDvpvE
"Good animations"
>>338614502
Dear Dark Souls 2
So many times I have shitted on your name because of climax, or estoc, or hackers on the PC version. But the truth is I will forever miss the twinblades, the ability to dual whatever weapon I wanted, the balance in the damage output of your melee weapons and the actual viability of spells.
I will NEVER forget the hundreds of hours spent on the Iron Bridge, PVPing all the way, having great fun and losing just 50% of the times instead of getting ganked by chuggers all the time.
I will forever miss being able to have a weapon that did 3 kind of damage to surpass the enemies resistance and had it working. I will miss being able to fight the same boss twice without having to play the game another time to do so. I will miss the very special and unique NG+ mechanics.
I will never forget how the Moonlight GS didn't suck dick in damage output and how everytime I lost a fight I would accept it and actually git gud.
I am sorry for having hyped the fanservice, new content lacking, pvp murdering shitfest that took your place.
But now I know you were right: Miyazaki is just a nigger who masturbates to his own reflection in the mirror.
>>338632090
from is an incompetent team i give you that meaning we cant always have the nice thing without from fucking it up at some point.
>>338632158
>literally defending ADP
I want Tanimura to do the DaSIII DLC by himself. Miyazaki can go do something else.
>>338614502
I miss your arena mode, not much else.
>>338632294
>red phantom everywhere
>unique mechanic
DS3 was substantially better than DS2 in terms of level design and bossfights.
I'm also happy that they brought back the full red eye orb. And matching weapon levels is a much better way to reduce twinking, without completely killing off SL builds.
DS2 had some really cool ideas and its depressing that DS3 didn't keep all of them around, but DS3 is fundamentally a much better game. Easily the best of 2016 so far.
>>338632123
At least they weren't reutilized assets from Bloodborne with Demon's animations and Dark Souls 1 enemies in them tho. They were fucking ORIGINAL, even if they were not that good.
>>338632294
I just miss the small white soapstone and maybe the soul heal gems.
"Hey guys, lets make an enemy that doesnt stop jumping and has nothing else then grab attacks"
>>338614502
I played Dark Souls 2 immediately after I beat Dark Souls 3.
It's trash.
Dark Souls 3 is mechanically way better than Dark Souls 2. Dark Souls 3 just felt really linear and boring, with very little in terms of memorable boss fights, and failed to give any kind of closure to the series. When the fire keeper goes "Oh, well embers will come back eventually" it's like Miyazaki whipped out his tiny nip cock and slapped you across the face.
Dark Souls 2 has some stuff I respect, like trying to do lighting, but it is a garbage game. Mechanically it's terrible. It's both simultaneously floaty and slow. Recovering from attacks is slow as fuck, sipping estus is slow as fuck, they basically made estus worthless because of lifegems and it requiring upgrades, NPC storylines are garbage and they lock you out from a lot of areas in the beginning.,
>>338632569
I was talking about the boss drops, but yes, having more enemies made the NG+ special too. In DS3 it's just the same game with a ring behind some corners who has a 2%+ betterment on its NG counterpart.
>>338632603
>original looking turd is better than copy pasta pizza
>>338632456
You don't even need ADP if you time your rolls anyway. The ADP change is a fucking scapegoat that everyone wants to squeal about because they fucked up and didn't roll at the right time.
Played through DaS2 as a Bandit with 3 ADP and did well enough.
>>338632674
and lets make it rape your face
>>338632456
I'm not the one claiming DS2 gimped the controls when it plays exactly the same as DS1.
>>338614502
this is unashamedly my favorite game in the dark souls series (not including bloodborne)
>going down the well in the middle of comftown and findingall kinds of crazy shit
>the pursuer chasing you through the whole game
>the misty ghost forest
>the approach to the castle at the end
>the crypt with the bells you desperately have to avoid striking
A lot of my favorite areas both concept and design wise, best gameplay, great atmosphere, ok lore.
>>338632674
FUCK these things MY GOD
>>338632603
>Its totally fine when DS2 copypastes Ornstein and the Gargoyles though
Drop the double standard.
The tiny cramped levels in DS2 stick out like a sore thumb compared to the other 4 games. I didn't feel like I was exploring a Castle in Drangleic, I felt like I was walking through a DMC stage.
That might have done it for you, but it really turned me off.
>>338632603
DaS3 even has a chalice dungeon.
People defend this piece of shit. Holy shit.
>>338632827
Let's introduce a chain grab mechanic.
Wait.
What if Dark Souls 3 has so many callbacks to Dark Souls 1...
because it's a sequel?
>>338632656
I miss being able to start a fight club to stack on humanities.
I miss invading as a sentinel.
I miss asking pardon for your sins for a fucking reason.
I miss covenants NPCs being pissed at you for switching covenants.
I miss the arenas.
I miss having to defeat an hacker using gravity or petrifying it instead of having my profile softbanned.
I miss the swordwhip, the good pyromancies and all those awesome weapons that were replaced with spinning dexterity greatswords and straight swords with a boring moveset.
>>338625237
i wish estus was slower in dks3
its incredibly hard to punish without lloyd talismans
>>338621692
DS2 difficulty isn't engaging or fun though, the reason 3 and 1 feel easier is because they have far fewer infinite stamina enemies with 100% tracking on all attacks, and you don't have to waste 20 points in a useless stat just to make your dodge work.
>>338632964
Have you been taking PCP or some shit? There is no such thing in DS3, you nigger.
>>338632812
There is no in-game indication of how ADP or AGL affects your i-frames. To the point where 8 out of every 10 levels literally did nothing.
Are you going to sit there and tell me that was a good idea? Ar eyou really that incapable of admitting DS2's flaws?
>>338632456
I actually beat the game with only putting one point in ADP because I didn't understand what it did at the time.
Just git gud - base ADP is enough to beat the entire game if you can time your rolls perfectly.
>>338633016
>I miss asking pardon for your sins for a fucking reason.
To be completely fair, this is one thing that hasn't changed throughout all three games. The pardoner only ever reset NPC aggro and not your invasion sin level.
>>338633095
What? 3 only has infinite stamina enemies.
>>338632797
>original looking turd is better than copy pasta less smelling turd
fixed
I love DS3, full of expert players to pvp against
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0BklYrg15k&feature=youtu.be
>>338632874
>Musical 1-2/10
>Any from Demon's Souls
I unironically think Dirty Colossus is better than everything in DaSIII.
DeS' boss music was technically simple, but it was all very unique and evocative of the image/atmosphere of the boss.
DaS series music is almost universally heavy orchestral regardless of the boss, I feel there's a layer of variety missing that Demon's Souls' had.
>>338614502
Replayed DS2 right before DS3, 3 is so much better it's ridiculous
>>338624014
I used to play as a guy called 'tortch bearer' invade in the gutter, and lead people all the way through. Got enough tokens of spite from people fucking up, and crystals out once they reached the rotten. Gutter is easy to navigate for me. Only have to worry about the dogs really.
Personally I think DaS3 is the better overall game, but it just makes so many dumb decisions that I find myself putting more hours into DaS2.
>No blue eye orb despite it being in DS1/DS2
>Merging dorkmoons and blueberries for literally no reason
>Making estus heal instantly, which removes the ability to chuggers
>No dual wield for varied weapon combinations, instead being limited to only certain weapons
>Takes the worst meta of DaS2 and makes it the only viable meta
>No viable and fun magic to use
>Instead of fixing poise like DaS2, just outright remove it and lie to your fans
>Strip out all of the non-linearity of DS1/DS2
>etc.
I really want to like DaS3, but it's my least played Souls game for a reason.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10292703
>>338633289
This does not reflect my experience with DS2 tho. Can you prove it? Do you have some actual data I can look at? I remember avoiding being invaded by blues by asking pardon and have it working, it can totally be just luck tho.
>>338632874
I really wouldn't put Watcher and Defender that high. It was such a dull fight, they literally had 3 moves each.
Old Dragonslayer was another stinker. It clearly wasn't designed to be fought without Smough pressuring the player.
Chariot was actually a really fun gimmick fight, even if the 2nd was kind of dull
>>338633347
>implying bloodborne asset and das1/des is a turd to begin with
>>338633247
I think you'd have a stronger point if the values in DaS games ever told you any hard data on what any of them did.
Outside of a (very few) stats like HP, Stamina, and Attack or Def stats, you can't tell what the shit any of them do. People didn't know the breakpoints for Resistances or anything else for a long ass time either.
At least Agility straight up tells you that it increases the effectiveness of evasion.
>>338633652
http://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Sin
You can even see the sin stat on your screen.
