Metroidvania thread
Just finished Shantae from the humble bundle and became addicted to Metroidvania games. Metroid Zero Mission. Playing Castlevania Aria of Sorrow and Rabi-Ribi. Gonna play Super Metroid soon.
>>338583598
is rabi ribi really dat good?
>>338583850
Aye. Very challenging too
>>338583850
Neigh. Very easy as well.
>>338583909
>>338584090
>>338583850
Eh. It's pretty middling in all respects.
Treasure Adventure Game is amazing and free, I don't know why no one ever talks about it.
I really like Unepic, even if the dialogue is cringe-worthy
>>338584525
Shitty faux retro sprites.
I agree that the game parts are great though.
>>338583734
Circle of the moon is also pretty solid despite a few bosses being ass, and Symphony of he Night is great.
Also Enviornmental Station Alpha is a solid game that's rather unknown. Valdis Story is also dope.
>>338584637
Yeah, the art style was dumband holy shit that final boss especially was retarded. I'm amazed the remake somehow picked an even worse art style.
The gameplay more than makes up for it in my mind though.
I want to impregnate a bunny
>>338584873
>Valdis Story is also dope.
Hell yeah it is
>New gear is side-grades and build variety is all user preference even on the hardest difficulty.
>>338583734
Was Shantae and the Pirates curse the one that came with the bundle? Because that one is better than the other PC releases Shantae.
>>338585150
The big issue is having your towns get destroyed so you can't upgrade your armor right. I got stuck on the final boss like twice because my build was too ass to beat him on hard.
>>338583598
wait, i thought we called them Castlemanias
>>338586126
Nah, we call me meaty-metroid-likes.
Strider from the humble capcom bundle is great, grab it now if you haven't.
Aquatic adventure of the last human is basically Shadow Planet underwater with pixel graphics. Its a lot harder and the ending sucks though.
Shadow Complex remastered is also great. Got it free using epic's shitty launcher, not sure if you can get it free now.
>>338586465
Strider and Shadow Complex were both terrible. Have you never played any decent metroidvanias?
>>338586702
>hating Strider and Shadow Complex
WOW that shit taste
>>338586041
The VERY final boss can be beaten by basically anything because all you have to do is reflect his balls back at his face.
But yeah, I guess if you go into the game blind, losing towns could be a problem, but you'll always have weapon and light/dark armor upgrades available, you'll only get locked out of neutral armors and some (really good) accessories like Weighted Bracers
>>338583850
do you really think a game with that artstyle can be good?
you should know better
What was the name of the hentai metroidvania?
>>338584525
Same with Hero Core, though I imagine the TI-84 graphics turn most people off.
How is Somewhere Out There?
>>338586932
I think he meant the previous final boss because of the healing thing, I got stuck on that battle on my first run too because my build was super shitty.
>>338587129
Its a puzzle game mostly
I don't consider it a metroidvania
>>338587276
How is it as a game though?
>>338584576
You have to play Unepic on spanish (original languaje), the dialogs are much better.
New metroidvania from same devs:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/463270/
>>338586997
kurovadis
>>338586892
Strider is an awkward attempt to adapt an arcade game into a metroidvania format; it doesn't work at all. In the absence of carefully designed stages, the button mashing close combat mechanics come off as tedious and all of the bosses save for maybe the last couple are both easy and boring as shit. Also, the devs didn't have a clue how to properly implement special attacks and ended up with mediocre and rarely useful secondary weapons.
Shadow Complex was basically a generic FPS shoved into a metroidvania format, there's nothing decent about it. Color-coded locks from the start to show retards how to explore and underwhelming shitty combat mechanics that had no thought put into them. Oh yes, we totally want to reload boring generic assault rifles in a metroidvania with really bad background aiming mechanics.
>>338587425
Its okay.
I'm not really a puzzle game fan so ymmv
>>338586932
I thought you had to do damage beyond that ball phase.
>>338587097
Didn't the Hero Core guy make some other decent game?
>>338587573
yeah he made Iji, which is a pretty good game
Reminder that if you haven't played and beat pic related your opinion on this topic does not matter
>>338587505
This.
>Using default analogue stick controls for a 2D platformer
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING
Post most underrated metroidvania
>>338587505
Valid points but I still consider them to be pretty good games despite the flaws
How about that salt game that released on PC recently?
Friendly reminder that Spider-Man had two top tier Metroidvania games on the DS.
>>338583850
yes it's one of the best games to come out recently. Even if you strip off the weeb, it has a great game underneath with good mechanics and lots of unlockables and nice music.
>>338587712
>never beat the upside down castle
I really should replay that game. How do you even reach the thing again? You equip some glasses Maria gives you in a fight or something?
>>338587846
I played it for 10 minutes before I refunded it, I really disliked the art and the fact that you have to use the analog stick to move in a 2d game was just terrible
>>338587804
This game is so fucking good. WayFoward knows how to make top tier metroidvania's.
>>338587997
>wayforward
>top-tier anything but waifus
Their games are meh as fuck.
Salt & Sanctuary's really damn good. Easily the best indie Metroidvania I've played. About on par with SoTN and the DS Castlevania games. Haven't felt strongly about anything else really. Bunny Must Die was somewhat interesting but the sloppiness ruined it. Environmental Station Alpha had consistently good boss fights and enjoyable platforming but felt too by-the-numbers and the exploration was unrewarding. Momodora was quite good but too short and the combat was kinda tedious. Outland, Valdis Story and Ori just felt like I was playing on autopilot for the sake of finishing them. Haven't played Ribi Rabi yet and hear it's good, but the genre overall has been feeling very stale.
>>338588107
probably haven't played most of their games then.
>>338587846
It's very good, but not flawless. Has good build variety, the bosses are solid, exploration's pretty good and the game has a lot of room for sequence breaking. Locations are nice and varied and neatly comnected together although most of the shortcuts felt like they were there just for the sake of it and weren't useful. Combat is satisfying too, although there are some issues with enemies switching directions too suddenly and awkward grab attacks. Weapons have very similar movesets too which is a shame but understandable.
>>338583850
It's a bit overrated around here. Exploration ranges from decent to pretty good depending on how perceptive you are of hidden passages. The dev has made a number of accommodations for 0% runs, so it's worth at least a few playthroughs just to try out how different it can be compared to a 100% run.
The dialogue is acceptable if you're used to weeabo conversations. A bit of implied yuri, but nothing erotic. Some anime/game in-jokes here and there, no may-mays though.
Bosses on Hard mode are just challenging enough to require a few (3~5) deaths to overcome. On higher difficulties, expect to become a bunny hopping master or face extermination. Also, bosses scale depending on number of items, so you want to avoid picking up unnecessary upgrades on maximum difficulty.
>>338587970
just make sure you equip the gold and silver rings before meeting Maria at the clock, then wear the glasses she gives you during the fight with Richter so you can destroy the orb.
>>338588129
The exploration in Vladis Story and Ori are both pretty limited, but they're solid games. Vladis has a bigger focus on combat and Ori is more about platforming.
Enviornmental Station Alpha is underrated though, and it's dirt cheap.
>>338588591
>Also, bosses scale depending on number of items, so you want to avoid picking up unnecessary upgrades on maximum difficulty.
Just started playing this. So do I just not pick up any HP upgrades?
>>338588187
Yeah, you probably haven't if you think they develop anything but mediocre trash
>Finish game
>Think it's alright, nothing special
>Boot up NG+
>Suddenly it's a shit ton more fun because of all the movement options, speed and sequence breaking
Well that felt like a waste.
>>338589409
You can try, but you won't last long. The boss scaling effect doesn't really matter, so just get everything.
>>338589667
>Played a game twice
>Enjoyed it
>Called it a waste
???
???
>>338588129
>Salt & Sanctuary's really damn good.
I know, right? I'm really obsessed about that at the moment. Hell, I've already got a bunch of A4's with a detailed map of the game drawn on them. Just to make sure I won't miss anything. I progress slower because of that, but it's really exciting to pay that amount of attention to the game world since it's really nicely crafted.
>>338588129
I platined Salt & Sanctuary and it's very poor. The controls are bad and the map is terribly connected. A DkS fan will enjoy more this game than a metroidvania fan.
Rabi-Ribi is the best metroidvania since Order of Ecclesia. Shantae Pirate's Curse and Ori are hard contenders.
> Who cares about graphics? Gameplay is all that matters!
> Meanwhile nobody talks about this game because of the graphics
>>338589817
Just feels like it would be better if they gave you more powers early on and then had more stages built around it since the final moveset is really fun but you only get to use it for a very short while and NG+ is too familliar and easy
>>338589881
>I platined Salt & Sanctuary and it's very poor.
>>338589902
It's the art style that puts people off.
I like it, especially the menu-chibis.
>>338589881
>. A DkS fan will enjoy more this game than a metroidvania fan.
It's the other way around, the game is more like a metriodvania, castlevania even.
>>338589881
How so? What's wrong with the controls? Also elaborate on the map connections. I enjoyed it more as a Metroidvania game than a Souls game because despite ripping off a lot of Souls mechanics and elements the 2D perspective, combat, platforming and movement made it play like Castlevania more than anything.
![header[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SN61ekG.jpg "header[1].jpg")
Anyone else played this game? I really enjoyed it. Quality exploration, shit ton of boss fights and it offers an actual challenge on exploration with insta-kill traps up the ass that don't feel super cheap like in a lot of games.
Any easy newer Metroidvania that casual like me can enjoy? Similar to Axiom Verge easy.
>>338590148
Sure. I loved that little game.
>>338590148
I liked it, it was cool
Great for the price, it also doesn't have the usual retarded level design of metroidvanias
Axiom Verge and Guacamelee! are some of the best Metroidvanias i played recently, need to try Ori and the Blind Forest sometime
>>338590224
Shantae and the Pirate's Curse is pretty easy.
>>338590148
Hated the shit physics, linear progression, barebones combat, instakill shit everywhere with checkpoints at every screen to compensate. Kept playing anyway and I've gotta say, it really grew on me. Most of the issues were still there, but the insane amount of optional content made it really rewarding to explore, and the extra weapons you could get were both unique and satisfying to use.
>>338590341
>Ori
It has good visuals, but I came off unimpressed. Not sure why people suck so hard on it's dick.
>>338590436
Its visual and audio design were gorgeous enough on its own to please me, but I enjoyed its momentum a lot as well. I just wish there could have been boss battles instead of those instant kill running sequences.
What did you guys think of Guacamelee? Ithe was pretty barebones when it came to exploration but I found the combat to be pretty well meshed with the movement mechanics. Memes aside I digged the art style and music as well.
>>338590646
>meme game
Seriously, I liked it (still need to play the newest version), but it was more linear than Metroid Fusion.
>>338590646
I liked it
It's a shame they listened to the one fucker on the team that said they should add more memes. They regret ever doing that after the reception it got.
>>338590092
No map
The roll is very imprecise
The combat is limited, you can only hit in front of you
The traps re-activate every time you rest on a shrine making them annoying as fuck
The platform levels with huge downfalls are annoying
The biomes are almost the same during all game
The tree of skill is bad, they could have also copied the dark souls leveling method
I enjoyed the game but it is a bad metroidvania and a good dks clone
>>338590646
Very enjoyable. Any other co-op castleoid?
>>338590646
I really liked it, the music was really really good in some areas too. I'd play a sequel and I'll likely buy the physical version when LRG prints it. Same goes for Ori and the Blind Forest getting a physical soon.
>>338590792
>co-op castleoid
apparently Insanely Twisted Shadow Planet is one, though I don't remember it too well.
>>338589409
Items you pick up in the game doesn't scale bosses as hard as equipping badges do. Feel free to get all the upgrades you can find and buy.
Damage items and playing very aggressive with the sun ray boost helps a lot. Makes bosses skip certain patterns.
>Needing a map
>Not counting Rolls, Jumps heavy, light attacks and combos into combat
>Getting hit by the same trap twice
>falling down holes
>implying the level design isn't vastly different in each section
>implying the skill of tree isn't exactly the same as a Dark Souls leveling system, in fact it helps people not build shitty characters.
Some real compaints would be not using enough platforming elements in boss fights, I haven't fought anything that uses the wall jump yet.
>>338590364
I this a good enough starting point for Shantae games? The qt genie finally got to me.
>>338590990
Being familiar with the characters provides an additional "oh you..." feeling, plus it's pretty different from the rest of the series since Shantae can't actually transform in this Pirate's Curse.
>>338590598
The games combat system wasn't really built for bosses and more around platforming so I can see why they made it that way.
Still, that whole dashing mechanic was really neat. Don't think I've ever seen a similar system.
>>338590771
>No map
Good, maps dumb down the genre and remove critical thought from exploration.
>The combat is limited, you can only hit in front of you
That's how it works in most games in the genre. There's nothing wrong with limited combat if the mechanics themselves are engaging and well balanced, and they were in Salt & Sanctuary. What exactly do you want?
>The tree of skill is bad
The fuck? How so? It's very similar to Dark Souls levelling except more interesting since there is a bigger degree of planning involved, and the weapon tier skills are useful even if you don't plan on using the weapons.
Agreed with the rest
Still feeling the sting on this one. Look at all that wasted potential.
>>338591286
What's wrong with it?
>>338591397
at launch it was a technical mess with unresponsive controls and the like.
Apparently from reading, they patched it, but that killed its momentum and reputation.
![arm[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/hEkrpfs.png "arm[1].png")
Anybody else played this? Found the bosses challenging and enjoyable. Exploration was nice, but very bareboned in terms of items.
>>338591286
Apparently it was delayed and still had technical issues.
Shame, the art design was great. Too bad they couldn't make the game good enough to fit around it.
>>338591517
Played it. It was okay. Ending sucked balls though.
Note to devs: Having an ending that basically says "everything you did in the game for the past few hours was for naught" leaves a really shitty taste in your mouth.
>>338591681
There wasn't much left to do other than avenging humanity tbqh.
>>338591517
Wut gaem
Also I don't see why people list lack of difficulty as a negative for Metroidvanias. Most of them aren't really difficulty at all. It's always been about exploration than challenging combat to me.
Any news from Bit Blot working on a new title? As far as I know, they've been just working with Aquaria and pushed that to various platforms.
>>338591923
Difficulty adds to the exploration. The most obvious example of this is with save points. The more difficult the encounters in the game are and the longer it expects you to go without save points, the more enjoyable discovering them becomes. Same applies to other things like upgrades, although to a lesser extent. You don't need to make them as difficult as arcade games or anything but keeping the player on edge goes a long way in this genre.
>>338591923
The game is called "The aquatic adventure of the last human".
It's a metroidvania/boss rush where you play as a submarine with limited firepower.
>>338587712
Only the playstation version right? Fuck that bastardization on the psp
>>338593217
Image seems to have been deleted, can you upload it somewhere else? I'm curious.
>>338593492
>>338590734
Well even they apparently realized it since in the latest version of the game (Super Turbo Championship Edition) they actually cut out most of the memes to instead plug other indie games.
Whether that's an improvement or not is up to debate.
>>338593596
>Rockin Android: "HER VAGINA MUST BE IN FULL VIEW"
They know me so well.
No better place to put this:
I have U.S. codes for Shantae and the Pirate's Curse on 3DS and Wii U. Already have it. I don't know if it's possible to have a code for these, but would anyone want to trade a code for, or gift me, one of these in exchange?
Axiom Verge
Rabi-Ribi
Valdis Story: Abyssal City
Guacamelee: STCE!
Odallus: The Dark Call
Environmental Station Alpha
Ori and the Blind Forest
Bunny Must Die
Not trying to rip anyone off. I don't know the prices, so I'm sure some of those would make an uneven trade.
>A zillion indie 'metroidvanias'
>Not a single sucessful Zelda clone
>>338583598
Will anything top this?
>>338597068
Every now and then, I like to look up the complete lack of progress on Delver's Drop and sigh wistfully.
>>338597113
The original, for starters.
How's Salt and Sanctuary as a Metroidvania?
>>338597113
this game is bullshit hard
>>338597352
Eh, the "you will die a lot" claims are blown out of proportion. The real bullshit is knowing what to do next without a third party source telling you.
And finding/not falling into pits in Hell Temple.
>>338597845
This. At the same time the game is insanely rewarding for someone who can still hold a pen and do some notes while playing. I still kind of prefer that over automatic journal and map as painful as it sounds.
>>338597113
No, it is the ultimate Metroidvania ever made.
>>338583850
It's shit dont fall for the shilling.
>>338597352
>>338597845
>>338598078
I'm playing through the game right nowin the original Japanese freeware version.Am I doing it right?
>>338598271
There's nothing wrong with the Steam version. Improved if anything.
I'll just leave this here.
>>338590646
>First playthrough of the game and enjoying myself, not minding the memes/game references
>Reach new town
>Billboard with huge Leddit meme face
>Never play game again
>>338594646
super turbo edition is stull full of cringeworthy reddit memes
>>338597178
>Delver's Drop
Everything I've seen of this looks like shit.
Zelda is fucking hard as balls to pull off development wise. The games tend to have far more non-trivial interaction in them than you'd get in a Metroid, which otherwise tend to play out as a single large dungeon instead of the variety of overworld/underworld structures Zelda has.
By the way how are Momodora 3 and 4 ?
Momodora 2 is a pretty cool metroidvania even if it lasts only one hour.
Are the 3rd anf 4th better ?
>>338599060
3 isn't a metroidvania at all.
4 probably is, but I wouldn't know since I didn't even watched any gameplay videos.
>>338583850
It's okayish. Weebs like it because they never played Super Metroid or Momodora and think they are hardocore.
The controls are alright, the story is abysmal and the art is obviously weeb pandering. Overall it's a good game but way overrated.
Does this count?
Was pretty alright.
>>338589881
Agreed with this, the game is shit. I beat that unspeakable deep or whatever it's called, got about one hour further into the game and then dropped it.
The difficulty is piss easy
The music is literal shit
The skill tree is too limited and gives the illusion of choice
Buyers remorse out the ass. Luckily I only have 1 hour 46 minutes played, so I'm going to refund this shit and buy something better.
>>338599060
Momodora 4 is my favorite game I've played in a very long time, i couldn't even tell you why exactly
Calling it a metroidvania is almost a stretch as there's very very few restrictions on where you can go but it does feature an open map you explore so I think most people would think of it as one
Literally the only fault I have with it is that I wish it was longer
I've never played any other Momodora game so I can't say how it compares to those
It has extremely limited RPG-esque progression as well so you never really grossly overpower enemies, even those from the start of the game. This is a plus to me but for some people it'll seem bad
anyone else playing this?
It's phenomenal, I'm in the new areas and am having a blast with it.
>>338599801
>Calling it a metroidvania is almost a stretch as there's very very few restrictions
I liked it a lot, but since you can do most area in any way you like I fought the Pardoner first after the first two mandatory bosses, it was a hard fight but very fun, the downside is that all the other bosses felt lacking and very easy. Going to her seemed the more logical progression to me too. The last boss was kind of a letdown too, it was pretty easy nut it looked great and the soundtrack was pretty awesome overall. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls98Vx_v4aU
>>338599060
Momo 3 is fun, but it isn't a Metroidvania and you will 100% it in an hour.
>>338583909
>>338584090
>>338584485
I do need serious answer sometimes /v/
Good, bad or generally mediocre?
>>338599640
>The music is literal shit
>The difficulty is piss easy
>got about one hour further into the game
Also, defeating Cthulhu in the beginning is no merit if you're better than an average player.
Glad to hear that there'll be one less moron sending bottled messages though.
>>338600294
Good, not Great or Amazing, but Good.
>>338600317
>You will never be this asshurt because a game that you like is considered shit.
lmao tbqh
>>338600294
I torrented it
It's alright, very qt. I really don't have any draw to go back to it though
>>338600294
Personally I love it. Exploration has many hidden items, and even if many are in pretty obvious places, there are some you probably won't find without the item radar.
Boss battles are the meat of the game. Combat has a lot of depth for maximizing your damage output and you will seriously not make it far if you can't dodge for shit, depending on difficulty.
>>338599801
>I've never played any other Momodora game so I can't say how it compares to those
1 & 2 are free so you should at least try those.2 is fucking great.
>>338600635
How the fuck are you supposed to dodge her three rock bomb waves on hell mode without the bunny amulet?
>>338599640
What's your Steam name, kid? I'd love to see that achievement for beating that thing at the start.
>>338600769
Kill yourself, my man.
>>338600753
I've been too busyspeedrunning it on normalto start Hell yet. I plan to start it next month.
Is it the attack where she drops grey bombs across the entire floor? You can probably quickfall and jump again to avoid them.
>>338600927
What a shitty edit. I bet you did that in Paint, huh?
>>338590275
>Using finnish when your second language is english
Vitun apina
Has anyone else played this?
>>338601121
>using English because that's more cool
It's 2016, Anon.
>>338601105
It's called being good at video games. You should try it out, my casual friend.
Try not to get triggered so hard, it's just a game.
>>338601178
fucking what is it assface
>>338601201
Shit translations famicom desu
>>338601232
>39 hours to get 100% from Wings
>good
Who's hyped for the new Monster Boy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjg1s6A6VJ8
>>338601331
You know you can set the translations for each game separately?
And where's the fun for playing Street Fighter without shitty translations?
>>338601232
Dustforce only has 1 achievement? Thats weak.
>>338601401
What is idle time?
I've had Enter the Gungeon minimized for most of the time since I got it 2 days ago (Along with Salt&Sanctuary and Rabi Ribi which I've yet to play), so 19 hours played, when I've only put like 4 hours max into it.
Salt & Sanctuary is shit, deal with it.
>>338601596
One achievement is all that it needs. You either SS+ the game or you don't.
>>338601232
Oh it's this guy again. Have you beaten any shmups worth a damn yet?
>>338590646
Gameplay was good. Only problems where the easy difficulty and the over abundance of memes and references. They needed to tone it down.
>>338590646
Loved it, game's super charming.
If they got rid of the dialogue memes and lessened the meme graffiti in the background of towns it'd be a solid 9/10
>>338601697
>Salt & Sanctuary is shit, deal with it
No. I think it's good.
Any good Metroidvanias for my phone? Emulators are cheating.
>>338599640
>The difficulty is piss easy
Compared to what? It's pretty above average for a Metroidvania game.
>The skill tree is too limited and gives the illusion of choice
But other Metroidvania games have almost no choice in that aspect at all. What's the point of comparison here? CRPG's?
>>338601838
Haha
Ahaahaha
>>338601848
>CRPG's?
CRPGs typically only have 'more choice' by virtue of locking you out of other options or otherwise making those options interchangeable. It's very rare for even a CRPG to, say, have alternate endings achieved through differing, but not necessarily mutually exclusive, quest-lines.
>>338599640
>>338600927
>>338601232
Oh look, MaZe showed up. We already proved you cheated the BMD achievements, and then you proceeded to meet the requirements after the fact by the bare minimum.
Please continue to embarrass yourself by attempting to brag and be an insufferable faggot in shmup threads as well.
Post smug anime girl pics as well.
>>338601838
>Metroidvania
>touch-only devices
>>338601889
Well, I'm getting bored of spending all my money on waifu gambling games, I want something with more substance.
>>338601745
All of the only relevant ones. You gonna man up and post a replay anytime soon? I doubt you can even clear the easiest of shmups.
>>338601820
Time to get better taste in vidya then or just quit the hobby altogether.
>>338601848
>Compared to what? It's pretty above average for a Metroidvania game.
I disagree. I found it incredibly easy. Even Valdis Story managed to provide more of a challenge.
>But other Metroidvania games have almost no choice in that aspect at all.
That is irrelevant. If you're going to make leveling up be a linear progression, then don't bother putting in a sphere grid system to pretend that the process is anything but linear.
>>338587804
That game was garbage. Only the graphics were good.
>>338601232
Oh, hey, this turbosperg showed up.
Thread was nice while it lasted.
>>338591978
I fucking hated Aquaria
>>338602098
I can see them working. It's not like most metroidvanias are knows for their complex inputs.
>>338602145
>Even Valdis Story managed to provide more of a challenge.
That and Bunny Must Die are some of the most difficult games in the genre though, and even they're pretty easy. I'm not sure what you expected.
>If you're going to make leveling up be a linear progression
But it isn't linear, you have to either specialize or be mediocre at everything for NG unless you grind a lot.
>>338583598
I swear this was supposed to be a Touhou game early in development.
>>338602228
the thread was already garbage befor he show up
>>338602448
Rabi-Ribi in general doesn't exactly have the most original designs.
>>338602145
I'd rather have a shit taste in video games than go as low as you and cheat achievements.
>>338602228
>>338602091
>tfw me and all of my shmup friends in IRC laugh at this autistic fuck who seeks me out because he's mad that I'm better at Ys, Shmups, Platformers and Metroidvania's than him.
>tfw he thinks his samefagging isn't incredibly obvious
Why do you keep changing which game you say I cheat at anyway? Last time it was Touhou, and the time before that it was Ys OiF.
>>338602381
>That and Bunny Must Die are some of the most difficult games in the genre though, and even they're pretty easy. I'm not sure what you expected.
I expected something that required a little bit more thought than just abusing how rolling works to easily kill bosses.
>But it isn't linear, you have to either specialize or be mediocre at everything for NG unless you grind a lot.
That is exactly why it's linear. If you made a cleric in another game without a skill tree like in S&S, it would give you Wisdom automatically upon leveling up. You pretty much have to go that route anyway in S&S anyway, so the skill tree is not needed in the slightest. Skill trees are there for when you can actually have variety in your builds.
>>338602145
Nope it's too easy to identify me from my score. Maybe after you post that steam profile sugar tits ;)
>>338602668Neither does Touhou
>>338602145
You played it a bit over an hour and call it easy. That makes your statement slightly irrelevant.
>want to make a metroidvania in GameMaker
>/v/ most likely will shit on it
/v/ will probably hate Environmental Station Alpha for its art style but I think that it's one of the best games I've played recently. It's just good all around.
>>338602862
In other words, you cheat at most if not all the games you brag about being good at, and you're shit at covering it up.
That's worth at least 50 smug loli pics. Get to fucking work.
>>338602862
>I expected something that required a little bit more thought than just abusing how rolling works to easily kill bosses.
Like what? Most games in the genre are about as shallow combat-wise. You have some kind of unreasonable expectations.
>skill tree
Making a cleric in another game would give you wisdom automatically but in order to get skills from other classes you would need to reroll your character. In S&S you can remove skill points or for instance go up a branch of your choice a little bit to get what you want without going to the high level unlocks. It's not the biggest deal in the world but it's not even close to being linear. For example you can make either a cleric that wears light armor or a tanky heavy armor one, each one requires you to go up different branches.
>>338600753
Time your jumps well.
Or if you have double jump and air dash you can stay in the air for all three waves.
>>338603024
I would play your game, Anon. Don't give in!
>>338602448
That's the impression I got too. It's like the chinks didn't realize how Zun worked and then changed it up when they got the memo.
>>338602904
>>338602887
>>338600769
Since he's too much of a pussy to do it, here:
http://steamcommunity.com/id/0124353452353425/
He's also too much of a pussy to unprivate, though.
>>338602668
Of course it doesn't. The designers themselves even said that.
>>338603101
>"Waaaah I'm shit at video games, why does this guy keep bullying me off of an anonymous imageboard"
>"Better save face and call him a cheater, I'm sure somebody will believe me"
You cannot make this shit up, lmao.
>>338603138
>Like what?
Like adding in one of the most basic parts to any shmup. Platforming. Have bosses not just be as simple as "Oh look, he's about to attack, now I'm going to do the same thing I do with every boss and roll behind him, hit him once or twice, and then wait for him to do the exact same thing until he dies".
>For example you can make either a cleric that wears light armor or a tanky heavy armor one, each one requires you to go up different branches.
Boring and might as well be considered linear.
The ideal skill tree has multiple ways of playing each class in more ways that some passive that allows you to wear different armor.
A good example of a well built skill tree would have something like a mage for example, be able to specialize in certain elements depending on which way he goes.
Playing Rabi-Ribi, it's pretty good for someone like me who is really casual in these games.
Question, for the 3Ds Castlevanias, which one should I get?
>>338603662
>Like adding in one of the most basic parts to any shmup
I've got shmups on the brain apparently.
I meant metroidvania.
>>338603041
Oh and just for the record, I agree with you that ESA is a pretty good metroidvania.
If it had better music, I'd rate it higher since the ost is forgettable as fuck.
>>338603662
There are boss fights where you can't roll around like a fargoth. Try to play the game longer than one hour next time before emptying your fat bowels on it.
>>338603662
>Like adding in one of the most basic parts to any shmup.
There's some bullet streaming later in the game since bosses have projectile attacks that you cannot dodgeroll through. There are more AOE/elemental attacks that you cannot dodge through and have to position yourself preemptively, etc.
>Platforming
Becomes a huge part of the game, one boss is entirely based around it.
>The ideal skill tree has multiple ways of playing each class
Yes, the ideal skill tree's like that but that doesn't mean anything less than that is automatically unnecessary. It allows more flexibility than a linear system, and makes the levelling more engaging since there's a degree of planning involved.
>>338603943
Don't bother. MaZe is only one hour in the game, but calls it quit because he thinks he's special for beating the tentacle monster.
>>338603818
Honestly don't bother with them, but if you must, either of the PS2 is fine. Just stay the hell away from Lords of Shadow series.
quick, what are some good metroidvanias specifically in the vein of 2d igavanias (+cotm)? especially if heavy on the rpg elements: items to equip, elemental types, bit of grinding, all that good stuff, but still platformy and explorey and ability backtracky
I fucking loved momodora, recently went through metroid fusion and zero mission, just finished up a CotM playthrough, did AoS and the 3 DS games a few years back... there's a specific flavor here I love
>>338604158
What about the handeld ones?
>>338604201
Salt & Sanctuary is the closest thing. Also Valdis Story. Unepic seems like it too but I haven't played it.
>>338603890
>>338603943
>>338604047
Alright you little faggots, you've tickled my interest. If I have to beat this game fully just to shit on in, then so be it.
I'll add it to my collection of games that /v/ thinks is hard because they're too casual to play any games that are actually legitimately difficult list.
Which class is the hardest to beat the game with? I imagine Chef or something. I'll steamroll the game with ease with that class just to rub salt in the wound.
>>338604313
Such a good boy. Off you go.
>>338604206
The handheld ones are all good. Aria of Sorrow and all the DS games are safe bets, just all around good games. Harmony of Dissonance is the black sheep but it's still a good game and has a very nice mazey map design which I enjoyed a lot although it's not for everyone. CoTM is also kind of the weird one of the bunch because it tries to be a mix of the classic Castlevania games and new ones, but it's very nice and the most challenging together with Order of Ecclesia.
>>338604201
Guacamelee?
>>338604301
S&S looks too much like the dishwasher for me, but I'll check out the other two...
I want bloodstained to not suck, I really want it to not suck
>>338604313
I never said it's hard. I just said it's not shit.
>>338603662
>why does this guy keep bullying me off of an anonymous imageboard
This is what MaZe actually believes. Which is amazing, since I'm convinced his thought process is composed entirely of those stupid pics.
>>338604206
3D Castlevanias on a handheld? I'd wish. They're fine for the most part, but the GBA ones will feel a bit restricted due to the controls. Again, stay away from LoS series.
>>338604313
Classes don't matter, gear does. If you want to make it as challenging as possible you have to not upgrade your weapons or level up ever. You also shouldn't use any rings that give you buffs and either be fully naked or put on the heaviest armor in the game depending on how good you are at rolling. Have fun.
>>338604313
I need to see a doctor for all that edge. When did you stop enjoying your life?
>>338603024
Metroidvania is my favorite genre, I doubt you can screw up so badly it's unplayable so just give it a shot.
>>338604540
It is shit though, and when I've beat the game fully my mind will not change. Games don't drastically change from the first 2 hours to something completely different.
As far as metroidvania's go, this one wouldn't even be in my top 10.
>>338604563
Why do you keep saying my name? We're not in a shmup thread, you don't need to worship me now.
The only thing you're doing is making your posts sound even more cringeworthy than they already are.
>>338604782
When he decided to pretend to be good at games he doesn't even enjoy and shitpost endlessly about them.
>>338604973
We got you picking up the game again though. How bad did you fail that Will check?
>>338592092
That's actually a really good point. Difficulty really does make you feel the reward of going out of your way to find new health and weapon power ups. Like at the start of Super Metroid it's a great feeling to pick up an E-tank, but at the end of the game you really don't care that much about them and finding another missle upgrade when you have almost 200 missles feels like nothing.
Maintaining a solid difficulty could make upgrades much more valuable.
I'm a much bigger fan of save rooms being marked outside their doors. The potential to go all the way through a level missing every save room until the end could be exceedingly frustrating. Space Station Alpha did that and I really hope more games copy it there.
>>338597113
>want to play through this
>heard it can be exceedingly frustrating to figure out what to do
>constantly playing through multiple games at a time
Bums me out, I started it but kind of lost interest when I heard you really need to dedicate some time to fully figure out where to go. Honestly the most frustrating thing about these games is getting stuck and poking every corner of the world to find a spot that gives in and lets you progress.
>>338603024
/v/ will shit on indie game that's not meme-tier or japanese, no point in worrying about it.
>>338605096
>How bad did you fail that Will check?
I rolled a 1 so I failed it pretty hard. I'm a sucker for beating "hard" games after all. Posting my steam achievements and making casuals cry makes it all worth it though.
I dropped this because I found it piss easy, but oh well, if this is what /v/ considers hard I'll just have to deal with it.
>>338604201
You're damn near describing Valdis Story. The game kinda railroads you at the start but it eventually opens up. You get 4 select-able characters and you can build them 4 different ways based off of their stats. There's armor's you can make out of materials found through the game and most of the magics you get are elemental based. It's pretty dope.
>>338605446
No one said it's a hard game, beating it really isn't noteworthy even if you gimp yourself a shit ton. Even some post-SoTN Castlevania games are harder.
>>338605446
The only hard thing in this thread is your penis.
>>338597113
No, never. Even the sequel stands no chance because people know what to expect.
In my life, there was Super Metroid. And the only game since that made me feel like I was playing Super Metroid again was La Mulana. The wonder of wanting to discover new areas, the joy of opening up new passageways, GOD FUCKING DAMN IT RELEASE 2 ALREADY
>>338604973
>S-Stop using my name!!
Should I just use your steam profile id, then?
"This is what http://steamcommunity.com/id/0124353452353425/ actually believes."
Just rolls right off the tongue.
>>338605546
welp, this might be my next game - not sure on the style but I suspect it will grow on me
>>338605446
>posting pictures instead of enabling Steam account to others to see
Such a tough guy. What are you so afraid of?
>>338605748
Considering people keep bringing up the first boss and asking me for proof that I beat it for some reason, I would say people have been saying it's hard. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't ask for proof if somebody told me they beat the first boss of a game.
>>338605752
Shit, you got me.
>>338605830
More like "Why are you using my name when nobody in here knows who I am besides you"
If you want to give me even more fame, then be my guest, you've already played a major part in making the thread all about me.
>>338606134
>Such a tough guy. What are you so afraid of?
Feel free to add me nigga, you can post my profile for all to see then.
If you think I give a shit, then you're sadly mistaken. I've posted my profile countless times.
>>338587505
>Shadow Complex
>FPS
OK.
>>338606358
Well, beating the boss on your first attempt is pretty surprising because he one shots you and has a lot of health. Retrying until you beat him right from the get-go is surprising for an entirely different reason though because of how tedious that shit is, not really because it's impressive.
>>338606358
>Nobody knows the faggot who shitposts every shmup & metroidvania thread on /v/ isn't the same guy with the same shit every time
This is what
http://steamcommunity.com/id/0124353452353425/ actually believes.
Post maps
>>338606613
I never said I beat him on my first try though. I never even implied that beating that boss was impressive either. If that would be considered impressive then /v/ would have dropped to a whole new level of bad in my eyes.
>>338606627
>None of you will ever have a dedicated fanboy following you around thread after thread, for years, all because you blew them the fuck out in every single game they've ever played.
Lads, what the fuck are you even doing with your lives? Go get your very own fanboy now.
>>338606885
The biggest of all metroidvania maps.
>>338583850
It's porn.
>>338601178
Is that Bloody Vampire? It was ok, the bumping takes a while to get used to and can glitch occasionally.
>>338607508
Stop lying.
>>338607508
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>>338607431
>I beat that unspeakable deep or whatever it's called, got about one hour further into the game and then dropped it
So you kept restarting the game until you got him? You're so full of shit, did you know that?
>>338606358
Hey little girl, this is what you want right? Guess it can't be helped...
>>338607835
How does that prove he bragged about beating it? Looks like he's just casually mentioning it to me.
>>338590646
I'm Hispanic and was extremely offended by this title. I don't even like guac.
How would you feel if someone made a US-themed game with cheeseburgers made into some kind of pun in the title?
>>338608006
He said that earlier in this thread:
>>338599640
>>338607835
>So you kept restarting the game until you got him?
Yes? It's like 30 seconds into the game. What, you didn't even try to go back to beat him? lmao, why are you so shit at video games?
>>338607865
Give me some more.
>>338608316
Jesus nigga, no wonder you think the game is shit. You spent time fighting by far most simplistic and shitty boss in the game while sitting through the character creation and a cutscene. Would make anyone want to uninstall it.
Anybody else play pic related?
>>338608723
I didn't played it enough.
>>338608705
Only took me like 15 minutes worth of tries. Unfortunately most of that was ate up due to making it past the initial set of enemies before the boss.
Character creation seems to save certain options, I remember only needing to change my hairstyle and class which took quite literally 2 seconds. The rest of the stuff was as I wanted them.
>>338607865
this whole you shit spiraled outta control fast
>>338599184
I beat Super Metroid, Symphony of the Night, Guacamelee and La-Mulana yet I still thought that Rabi-Ribi was fantastic
>>338608142
Best game ever.
>>338605935
Yeah, I can't stand how every woman seems to have a large head while the men seem fairly proportion.
I justpiratedsalt and sanctuary. How do you build if you're a mage/cleric? Do i just grab all of the main stat boosting nodes or?
>>338590364
gotta agree
the hardest part is not popping a chub and fapping while playing.
>>338609287
I'm honestly surprised you didn't get him on the first try. It has like two different moves and roll works ridiculously well against it. Easiest, if the most tedious fight in the game.
>>338593330
>Fuck that bastardization on the psp
What? Isn't it just an emulated original?
>>338593330
It's objectively the best version of the game.
>>338612735
The Sodden Knight is much easier.
>>338612764
It was redubbed.
>>338612764
The dub was from the Sega Saturn version of SotN.
They fixed the horrible/iconic lines from the original playstation release.
>>338585797
The hb one was Risky's revenge, which is not nearly as good as the Pirate's curse imo
It's not a true metroidvania if you can't do shit like this.
The genre has essentially died to me.
New games in the subgenre such as Ori and Guacamelee are very poor to me.
Maybe I'm just too used to the castlevania rehashes, but then again I played that indie super metroid-looking game and I thought it was good (main character aside which completely shit the bed)
I think, I love the focus on exploration and finding secrets the most. That's why I love La Mulana.
