>Square Enix finally listened to fans and formed a development team to exclusively make oldschool JRPGs like they used to
>Came out with their first game called I Am Setsuna which is similar to Chrono Trigger
Why is nobody talking about this?
Square isn't even talking about it, in fact they are trying to figure out how to scam microsoft/sony/nintendo to cover any and all development or localization costs of games while writing the contract that gives Square money for doing jack shit.
>>338577443
>Why is nobody talking about this?
First time i heard about that name here.
>>338577443
>Why is nobody talking about this?
whats there to talk about? theres pretty much no information about the game or the new company in general.
>>338577443
i personally hate the way the game is handled
its looks ok otherwise
you cant make chrono trigger again
>>338578159
>theres pretty much no information about the game
Except there are tons
>>338577443
The characters look like the shit they used when ever the ported things over to the DSes
>>338577443
>those character designs
Until they go back to fantasy designs and ditch this anime/boy band faggotry I don't care about any RPG they release.
>>338578860
The character designs look pretty cool imo
I hadn't even heard of it before.
>Literally no marketing for the game
>Just made it and plopped it on PSN
>Still sold 75k
Not bad, I guess. But as usually it will be up to the global market to make the game successful. We'll see when it comes out on Steam.
>>338577443
Because they sold out their true fans to try and cater to the steam sale crowd.
It's insulting honestly.
>>338578860
Yeah! They should go back to having characters designed by Akira Toriyama, the creator of the popular anime Dragon Ball Z.
>>338579461
>those belts
>those cute trinkets and gloves and waifu bait bullshit
>those retarded comical weapons
>the chibi artstyle of the game
Yeah, no.
because it's not on vita
>>338582635
It is though
>>338582397
It's like you've never seen a JRPG before.
>>338580012
It is on Steam.
>>338577443
Looks really low budget
Do it for her
>>338578860
JRPGs have always been anime as fuck. It's just that 90s JRPGs used a 90s anime style.The 90s was the worst decade for anime character design.
10s anime character design >>>> 90s anime character design
>>338577443
Because it won't be actually "oldschool".
It will only be marketed as such, just like BD.
In the end, it'll be an abomination that sits in the middle because S-E lacks the balls to make an oldschool game these days, missing the point entirely and not pleasing either audience.
>b-b-but you didn't even-
Bravely Default.
Every JRPG made in the last 10 years that was marketed as "oldschool" or "return to form".
Every modern Square-Enix game.
>>338579461
STOP THROWING BUCKLES, BELTS AND STRAPS ON EVERYTHING SQUARE
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>338583120
You're opinion is wrong.
>>338583129
In terms of being old school, I'd argue BD hit the mark while also giving you the option to remove (or increase) the tedium by tweaking encounter rates and such. Game still shits the bed hard with the rewind shit, so who cares
>>338583317
Were you even alive in the 80's?
JRPGs have always represented anime of their own time; the only difference is that 80's animes looked more tame/western and less like a vomiting mess of bright color shit and wings.
>>338577443
How many games have said they are returning to its old form/roots?
Now how many of those actually keep their word?
From what I heard it's not particularly great. Also the vita version runs supposedly like ass. I don't know if that one will be localized though.Personally I'm going to pirate it for PC because fuck em.
>>338577443
That looks like a goddamn mobile I just want something that looks at least as good as Radiata Stories did and that was on the fucking ps2.
What shit is this out already?
>>338578306
Post it then nigra
>>338583613
Fuck, I still have tons of games to play on the PS2. Emulation is no problem, but it's not as comfy as playing it on the actual console. Forget the PS4, I'll get one in 5 years.
>>338577443
>>338579461
Just fucking hire Toriyama again.
>>338583613
The point is to make an oldschool 90s RPG, not an RPG from a few years ago.
>>338583613
Radiata Stories did so much right.
>>338583438
They integrated a literal cheat to skip encounters if your health was low as a general game mechanic.
They gave you minimaps.
They integrated that villager shit that relies on a gimmick to unlock important content.
There is also a cash shop that sells you those potions that do something broken, I forget exactly which.
>y-you can just ignore it!
You can play every shitty mobile game with the biggest penalties on yourself and have them be the hardest games ever, too.
You can play through Monster Hunter with the starting weapon to make it harder on yourself, but is that as good as making genuine hard encounters? Not even comparable.
I want developers that can design videogames instead. Not leaving a cheatlist expecting me to know what will give me the best experience, which usually always leads to ruining your first playthrough in some way or another because you naturally can't know before-hand.
>>338583831
Was literally thinking the exact same thing when I saw that pic. Already have the iso downloading
Emulation is not the game as playing it on the console, its just a different experience.
>>338583883
>11 years ago
>a few
>>338583883
Then they've fucking failed in spades because that looks like casual mobileshit you can find on the app store today.
>no vita version of a vita game
>pc port
Welp, I'm going to pirate it. Nice job Square.
>>338583883
It sure as shit doesn't look like a 90s RPG with those designs
See>>338583292
>>338583860
>I refuse to play a game unless it looks like DBZ
>>338577443
Because it's not chrono trigger and never will be. Chrono Trigger was a once in a lifetime video game that can never be replicated
>>338584147
>x was a once in a lifetime video game that can never be replicated
literally nostalgia
>>338583983
It's an oldschool RPG made in the exact same format as classic square games. If that looks like "mobile shit" to you then it might be because mobile is the only format classic JRPGs even exist on anymore.
People's addictions to AAA dark souls style shit kills any chance of making classic games like this. Kind of unfortunate.
Well I hope they try harder because I am setsuna looks really underwhelming
>>338584235
The game is the literal perfection of the jrpg formula and no jrpg has even come close to it.
>>338577443
Heard it's kind of mediocre and very short.
>>338583912
>Kicking everyone and just becoming an overall menace to the kingdom
>>338584374
You wanna elaborate, OP?
You gave us no reason to think it harkens back to the classics so far besides the team behind it
>>338584380
>I wish Square would make classic games like the days of old!
>Wow, you just made a game like the days of old? That's not even impressive. Try harder next time
>>338583860
Why? So we can get
>Goku but a different height an hair color
>Bluma with a different height and hair color
>Generic anthro animals
>>338584512
>all old games are good
>>338583860
Toriyama doesn't even draw anymore
>>338584592
>Chrono Trigger isn't good
>Look at me Im so edgy and contrarian
>>338584235
CT is almost universally loved, even among people who didn't play it on release. That's not nostalgia. Personally, it might just be the only SNES JRPG that I'd put on par with my favorites in the PS1 era.
CT had that x-factor. Everything just fell into place perfectly to create a very well paced adventure with an amazing world and memorable characters. The x-factor is called the x-factor because it can't really be reproduced just by looking at the parts that made up the work.
That's not to say that there can't be other great games that are just as amazing as Chrono Trigger. However, those games won't be Chrono Trigger 2.0.
>>338584612
Isn't he drawing the next characters for Super?
>>338584374
>>338584512
This only look classic on the surface.
Don't be so fucking desperate that you are grasping for anything looking remotely similar at this point.
>>338577443
never heard of it, looks like a 3ds game in 1080p
It's still a few months off of releasing, so that's mostly whatever.
We can have this thread early july and it'd be a lot more productive.
>>338584612
Looking at this, he was most famous at his most awful. Curious.
>>338584983
He is writing super he isn't drawing. All art for super is done by toei except the super manga and the super manga is being drawn by the guy who did dragonball af. Jaco was toriyama's last series he drew.
>>338585094
I personally rather have threads discussing games than e-celebs so I don't care that much.
>>338584612
That's the dawnfall of anime standards in general, not just hackira toriyama
>>338585130
He's not exactly writing super, he just draws up general plot points and lets other people fill in the gaps.
>>338585120
>implying contemporary isn't the worst
>squeenix is making oldschool rpgs again
whoamyg-
>for mobile platoforms!
fuck you
>>338579461
>those designs
>cool
And people wonder why modern JRPGs are garbage.
>game literally designed to pander to nostalgiafags who scream about muh golden age and how modern jrpgs are bad
>they still aren't happy
Fuck em desu
>>338579461
Change the color of that dude's jacket and I'm sold.
I thought thats Bravely team
kek
Bravely & Second were good
>>338577443GIVE HIM BACK YOU FUCKING CHINKS
>>338580012
Which game exactly is on psn?
>>338585235
That's honestly too simple and generic to look good.
>>338585235
>modern jrpg's are garbage
>posts z grade shounen trope rubbish
:^)
>The whole OST is piano music
I'm not sure how I feel about this
>>338584069
I'm more bad that dropped the vita version of romancing saga but kept the fucking phone versions
Literally who plays shit on their phones that isnt freemium bullshit?
>>338577443
Because it's not out for another month yet. And physical purists and vitafags cry buckets about it anytime somebody tries.
>>338585424
Yeah dude you're totally right
Let's slap more belt buckles on 'em
>>338585235
>Those designs
>Good
I'm not saying modern JRPG designs are amazing either but those aren't good
I wasn't talking about it because its not out in the US yet. Will be getting it though. I like its atmosphere. The soundtrack is exclusively piano music and every part of the setting I've seen of this game involves snow. Seems like it'd be a very comfy game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZzPUbpjaGg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGKFh99C9V0I say this as someone who's never played Chrono Trigger
>>338577443
>Why is nobody talking about this?
Because visually it looks like shit and reeks of low budget.
The game needs to do more than "the combat is like Chrono Trigger!".
>>338585130
Mangakas have a hard life
>>338585468
It's not like PC fags ever cared about it or jrpgs in the first place
>>338585470
Just saying something like this is way better. It isn't overly complex but still has its own flare. Suikoden suffers from plane characters because you recruit 116 of them
>>338584612
>tfw never liked the look of Toriyama's stuff
I will say his designs for armor and clothes and stuff like that is way better than most anime characters, but everything else just feels off to me. Not even sure why. Maybe it's because everyone looks even more samefag than usual, maybe it's that overly simplified style that makes it feel a bit like a kid drew them.
I remember this getting announced and then hearing exactly nothing more about it.
Just looked it up and apparently it's been out in Japan since February and is coming out here in July? Did Square even forget it exists?
>>338585640
I never understood why LoD never took off, but FF did.
LoD did turn-based battles better than most MODERN jrpgs, and that's pretty impressive.
Guard was op though.
>>338585713
>actually wanting to do a 10-second long timing minigame every time you attack
>>338585654
>>I will say his designs for armor and clothes and stuff like that is way better than most anime characters
I fucking love his monster designs. Dragonquest monsters are very entertaining to look at
>>338585640
Not him, but that looks way worse.
There is an elegance to simplicity and I wish Japanese(and indeed western ones for that matter) artists would realize that.
It's funny how pretty much all generic one line NPC's look better than all the main characters in jrpgs.
>>338585468
They have good reason to complain though.
>>338585523
The game is on PS4 too you know. He was referring to how the Vita version isn't coming to the West and how its not being released physically anywhere. Which to be honest he's being kind of a dick, because it does suck for Vita and physical fans, even if that version wasn't exactly an optimal version from what I've heard, what with loading times and all.
>muh PC shit
Kill yourself
You aren't helping. Also
>implying
I will be buying I Am Setsuna day one.
>>338585640
Outside of the anime sword Cloud is about as simple, and both of their costumes are pretty bare bones
>>338585778
It made battles skill-based as well as stat-based, which is such an art.
>>338585713
>LoD did turn-based battles better than most MODERN jrpgs, and that's pretty impressive.
It did not, by any stretch. Timed hits are cool, but a rhythm game tied to attacks is not. Doesn't help that the rest of the game isn't very good as far as jrpgs go.
>>338585781
Of course, why do you think they never change their monster design for 30 years?
>>338585781
Never having played DQ it's amazing how many of those monsters I recognize from watching The Hero Yoshihiko.
>>338585778
>>338585862
Quest 64 had a very interesting combat system, it's just a shame that literally everything else was horse crap
>>338584785
Personally, I want oldschool JRPGs to retain their roots but naturally evolve with better content and more complex/more mechanics.
So no, carbon copying the simple mechanics of CT would produce a shallow game TODAY.
CT was good 20 years ago because there was no competition. Time happened inbetween and the quality bar should rise.
I'm absolutely fine with a turn based JRPG but it needs to be up to standards, because people made things like Grandia, FFT, Transistor or Vagrant Story ever since that time, and they all have some good elements that surpass CT's own mechanics objectively in some way (not saying they are overall better games, I'm talking about individual mechanics, bits and pieces).
The trap that these games fall into often is they are carbon copies of the original in terms of depth. After you played the 850th JRPG, it just isn't good enough with that barebones simplicity. And no, the answer is not to CHANGE it to action.
Just design it well like what square did with FFT.
tl;dr CT was a high quality game industry-wise back when it released. It would lack in several areas if it released today for the first time.
Developers misunderstand what the "roots" of a genre are and change the wrong things, while not improving the right things.
What do you think about Itoi's character designs?
>>338585778
Just equip that fucking ring you casual and let the game play it self
>>338585778
>tried replaying on my vita
>that input delay
>>338585859
I want a cotton jump suit pajama of that Soldiers uniform so bad.
>>338585424
>simple
>effective
>functional
>stylish
>nope, too generic
again, this is why modern jrpgs are hot garbage
>>338583317
>You're
>>338585424
kill yourself quickly
as in soon, but slowly
>>338585894
The rhythm game was perfect for what it did in LoD and has rarely been integrated that well into JRPG combat. It rewarded the player for playing well.
I will admit that the rest of the game left a few things to be desired though.
>>338585235
>casual clothed teenagers going to war
>the smallest one becomes the king of the rebel army, looks like a cosplaying toddler
>good designs
Nostalgia.
>people talking about design and art direction
Honestly, this doesn't have a lot to do with the change in the genre.
What happened is that rising costs in game production and the shitty Japanese economy gradually murdered the feelings of adventure that the genre used to have.
You could have a grand adventure with Meruru and company or Neptune and company, if you had an actual overworld (not just line paths or what's essentially a cursor) and large, interesting dungeons with a wide variety of enemies that aren't copypasted over and over again. Why don't we have that? Because good luck getting anybody to approve the budget. In Gust's case, it's certainly not due to a lack of talent from their game designers.
>>338583860
This was his best most creative work of his career.
>>338585950
But golden sun is simple but not generic looking. The suikoden 2 protag just looks like he stole sun-wukongs clothing
>>338585950
Dark Dawn had better art
>>338577443
Oh shit I remember seeing a trailer or two for this shit but never got the english name. Did they really just release that shit?
>>338585654
Got to say I honestly want toriyama to make clothing and vehicles for other mangas or animu
>>338586026
>It rewarded the player for playing well.
too bad you also had to level up the attacks. Why use the new, harder to time attack when it does less damage than the one you've been using? Also why put in inputs when there's an accessory to do it for you
>>338586051
Well, aren't both based on Chinese literature, or was that just Suikoden 1?
>>338583860
Talentless hack
>>338585778
>he doesn't know they literally aren't mandatory and only add bonuses to your attack power
>>338585937
Anyone?
>>338585235
Nanami's chest was so perfect.
She's not wearing tight clothes, but instead puffy and soft, so when you do stroke your hand up her belly you can feel those breasts through the soft texture.
>>338577443
Because it's literally a 5 hour game with zero replay value and character progression. Literally jap Child of Light, i.e, shit.
>>338586117
Because you unlock the best additions by leveling all of the other ones to 5.
This game is on pair with mobile garbage
>>338586169
>grinding
>>338585640
Inferior gameplay customization
Inferior worldbuilding
Inferior setting
Inferior character designs and personalities
Inferior story
Inferior backgrounds
Inferior pacing
Inferior music
Sure you have a gimmick that involves pressing a button during attacks, but it's always the same and its novelty wears off after 2 battles. It's nothing compared to the materia system.
LoD overall lacks any emotion. It's very stiff and uninterested. The direction was terrible. There was no general vision whatsoever.
>>338586153
mother is a shit series that had abysmal reception at the time of its release, only for everyone to suddenly change their opinion over time because it stood out as less generic and more off kilter than all the trash we get in modern times
its literally a contrarian opinion to think this series is good or even looks good, even the creator thinks the games look like shit
>>338586123
Doesn't give you an excuse to out right steal an outfit instead of making one yourself. Why Suikoden 3 is the better game when it comes to character clothing
>>338586158
But Child of Light was good
>>338579461
The person on the right looks like she tied cardboard slabs to their legato use as shinguards.
>>338586029
Never saw the fun in overworld maps. It's still just a line map connecting other different linear areas only now you have to run back and forth trying to find the correct dot to advance the story.
What many jrpg's really need is better level design I think. Not just linear corridors with occasional branching paths leading to a chest. But more openness, height, and movement. Some more logic wouldn't go amiss either.
>>338586158
jap Child of Light is Mario RPG as that is what inspired it. Are you saying Mario rpg is trash?
>>338586309
Legs to*
Fuck posting from my phone.
>>338586289
I don't know, man. That looks pretty generic. You sure they didn't take that armor design from somewhere else?
>>338586287
>even the creator thinks the games look like shit
Source please?
Is the mobile version of final fantasy tactics worth a download or should I just play the original ps1 version?
(I am not paying for either)
>>338586153
Way back when I first played Earthbound I found the aesthetic too simplistic specially after having played Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, Terranigma, etc.. But I realized that Itoi's style was part of the narrative and it ended up growing on me immensely. It's a shame that now it's being used as an excuse for lazy artistic direction by so many developers.
>>338586051
>Golden Sun
>not generic
You can tell the gba kids based on their opinion on GS.
GS was the peak of generic shallow shit during the early 2000's.
Absoluely average game ovverated to fuck because toddlers didn't know any better.
>>338586374
Yes. Also, it's more similar to Grandia.
>>338586153
It's okay but it's sort of hard to distinguish it from other really simple styles.
There's a reason most pictures here are from the boxart and stuff and not in game. Because in game everything just looks like a bunch of pixels jumbled together.
>>338585235
You could actually see designs decline over the series. Nowhere near as accessorized bullshit that became the norm, but S5 was already walking down that road compared to earlier entries.
>>338586362
You improve overworlds by having more things to discover and in a more interactive way; you don't improve it by replacing it with .jpg paintings of a map to click on.
>>338586446
PSP version is the same as PSX but with some new characters and a few new animated cutscenes. ios version has a terrible UI
This is the best designed jrpg protag.
>>338586446
Emulate the PSP version, make sure you remove the delay with the patch.
>>338586624
PSP has the infamous game slow down and if you don't have cfw or emulating the game runs like garbage
>>338586446
Mobile version is the psp version but it runs better. If you have a cfw psp get that version instead because like that anon said the ui is shit
>dat feel when Ludger's designed was almost dropped because he "looked too much like some NPC" according to devs
>>338586578
Or you improve it by not having it and instead focus on better connecting your areas together and stopping the game from basically completely taking you out of the moment but having a few giants walking around trampling cities.
>>338586641
The delay fix works the same on ppsspp? How is ppsspp anyway haven't touched it since it game out and maverick hunter x couldn't run on it correctly
>>338586158
Is it really a short game..? I hate it when "low budget" becomes "tech demos".
>>338586720
To be fair. Is there anyone that still use their PSP this day and age?
Mine has just been gathering dust since PPSSPP became nice and playable.
>>338586474
Golden Sun is better than any Final Fantasy game by an order of magnitude, and is likely better than your favorite RPG.
Debate me.
>>338586806
I use it. Shit has like 500 games on it.
>>338585781
I'd say they're good only as much as they are iconic
>>338586743
Didn't the other devs mock the artist too after their design was picked making a hostile environment from them? Remember someone linked an article about that
>>338586824
Golden Sun is a great game if you like stone jumping puzzles.
>>338586082
And that's about the only thing it had better.
>>338586782
It's one of the best 3d emulators nowadays.
>>338585424
>>338585315
couldn't disagree more
>>338586946
And really boring, redundant dialogue.
>>338586625
He looks like a faggot desu senpai
>>338586625
I like old Adol.
Before he went generic boy band member.
>>338586156
You are one creepy dude, I'd recommend trying to talk to people in real life but you'd probably end up in jail
It's too late for you bro
>>338586824
My favourite FF is tactics. My favourite RPG is BG2. Both slaughter your little game to a point where I feel I need to apologize for the rape.
>>338583713
It has come out in Japan already, dumbo.
>>338586035
You should take a look at Dragon Quest Heroes 2 main characters.
>>338585519
seems lonely.
>>338587057
You're a faggot
>>338587093
Adol is a very respectable choice.
>>338586967
It had better music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S_MmhTRg4w
>>338577443
Doesn't it release in 2 months?
It's for PS4/Vita/PC, right?
I still have to buy Stranger of Sword City
Not exactly related, but when does the Valkyrie profile type game come out? Heard it was coming out soon.
>>338587480
Vita version isn't being released in the West.
Hey OP
I tried talking about this when the game came out and I imported the vita version.
Sadly, it has a lot of lag even in standard battles, but the battle system and story seem fine.
The biggest + point of the game are it's environments. The world is simply beautiful and feels interactive.
You can expect a way better performance on the PC port
>>338587530
>JP December 17, 2015
>NA October 18, 2016
>EU TBA
Did it turn out well?
Also waiting for any EU news.
>>338587687
I have no idea how it turned out. Curious myself. It came out a while ago in nipland. Figure new would have trickled in.
>>338587530
Which valkyrie profile game?
Indivisible?
>>338587536
PC version though? Fuck buying a game that looks like it belong on the PSX on my PS4. Vita would be perfect.
>>338587747
Exist Archive.
>>338587747
I think he meant Exist Archive
>>338585640
>Suikoden suffers from plane characters because you recruit 116 of them
LOL
You're confused. You think overdesigned = good.
Suikoden has a large number of characters and designs that generally fit what the character is.
For example it makes no sense for a peasant or commoner to run around in fancy clothing with tons of bells and whistles. However pictured is royalty from a queendom and naturally she has more fancy and odd clothing.
>>338587747
Exist Archive.
Arguably all Tri-Ace games are "VP"
>>338577443
>copypasta jrpg with cute outfits and generic storyline
wow, they surely saved the genre. This kind of generic copypasta was good once for BD, but not everytime. Nostalgia cucks eat shit like it's hot pockets.
>>338587819
>Arguably all Tri-Ace games are "VP"
>>338587815
I like it, she even has her waistcape attached to her ankle so its not flipping out all over the place.
>>338587815
Hes not wrong really. Of those 108 characters, maybe 20 of them get any serious characterization.
>character design thread
>not a single good design
Plebs, plz
>>338586540
>royalty of a queendom
>doesn't understand why the clothing is more intricate and cluttered
The game still had tons of more "plain" looking characters where it made sense.
>>338587819
Don't see how Star Ocean games are VP.
>>338587897
There are some changes of course but they play a lot like each other, really.
>>338587815
>calling lod over designed
Top fucking kek
>>338584526
hey fuck you. Frog is the shit bro. Ayla and Robo are dope to.
>>338587978
The only tri-Ace game like VP that isn't VP is EA, and that's because it literally uses the combat system.
>>338587932
If her tits were scaled down to atleast C's she would look acceptable
>>338587815
I only played II, but most character in that may very well not even exist.
>>338587824
Get fucked you niggerfaggot.
>>338585713
>There still are people who insist LoD isn't a complete pile of mediocrity at best
>>338587791
Yes, a PC version is getting released. PS4 and PC only. Sucks for Vita players but I heard it had long loading times on Vita if that's any consolidation.
>>338588071
PC version it is.
>>338588064
no YOU get fucked irrelevant tripfaggot.
http://mmoculture.com/2016/05/lord-of-vermilion-arena-square-enix-shuts-down-another-moba/
It's over, SE is finished.
>>338587932
>posts the worst looking character from the game
>>338587530
exist archive comes out for vita and ps4 in the west sometime this summer
>>338588070
yeah I don't get it, LoD had an interesting combat system, but the game was entirely mediocre otherwise.
It's the epitome of a cult classic video game, you can see why people like it, but theres a lot that keeps it from being truly great
>>338587791
>>338587810
>>338587819
Shame I don't own either system it comes out to.
Tri-ace doesn't port their games on steam, I take it?
>>338587907
>maybe 20 of them get any serious characterization.
Yes? This is how it should've been.
Or are you telling me they should try and give all 108 stars equal amounts of screen time and development?
Focusing on fewer characters in a such a big roster is not a negative. The games flesh out the characters a lot anyway and S5 is particularly good at doing this.
Most people weren't even aware Richard participated in the games because they didn't explore and find him in the infirmary, etc.
You can even bring Richard back and let him challenge (over your protag) the antagonist that won the games and get special dialogue as well as controlling Richard instead in said duel.
Not only that, you can also bring along 2 other contestants as well with Zegai and Belcoot and also challenge said antagonist.
>>338588209
It was trying really hard to cash in on FF7's popularity, but failed in a lot of ways. A remake would actually fix most of the issues. Including the absolutely horrendous writing. My god the dialogue in the game was so bland and halfassed it was almost unbelievable.
>>338588220
You can get a used Vita with memory card for around 80€
>>338586153
its a just ok game that every retro hipster puts on a pedestal today because every one parrots about its unconventional rpg setting.
>>338588282
>Having 80% filler characters is good
>>338587981
>missing the point entirely
Congrats on being this dense.
>>338588220
Tri-ace is owned by SE now so who knows what will happen.
>>338588356
>Tri-ace is owned by SE now so who knows what will happen.
SE doesn't own Tri-Ace.
>>338588338
>>Having 80% filler characters is good
Except they're not filler.
Or do you think every single character in a story needs to be fully fleshed out and developed, otherwise they're "filler"?
You're a special kind of retarded and can't be older than 18.
>>338588071
>Consolidation
>>338588424
That's what I thought when first reading his post, but didn't SE actually buy the mobile company that bought out Tri-Ace?
>>338588424
So they don't. Weird. I just figured since virtually everything I've played from them for the last like 10 years had SE slapped on the box SE had bought them up. SE just seems to be their go-to published now.
>>338588338
To be fair. Pretty much all of the discussion have been on the character designs, not the writing.
>>338588481
>filler shit has a purpose!
That's a heavy dose of fanboyism you injected yourself with.
>>338588356
>>338588507
Tri-Ace just makes mobile garbage now, the only reason Star Ocean 5 is coming out at all is because Sony paid for it.
>>338587239
Not that anon but I will say your choices do indeed slaughter his.
>>338588510
>not the writing.
But the writing is fine and even above average. Heck it's better than in the LoD game he's praising.
He's just upset LoD didn't take off so now he flings shit at everything else.
>>338585781
>Toriyama using the same monster designs since ever.
Come on, he even slaped shenron and you have 4 fucking slimes, 2 of them exactly the same on that picture.
Toriyama's a hack.
>>338588037>>338588183
>>338588183
It was the first image from google, in general Valkyria has great character designs, much better than anything in this thread
>>338582397
>comical weapons
did everyone forget about CHAINSAWS?
because it's just another tryhard attempt at capturing nostalgia and it fails in every way
we liked FF7 and all those JRPGs that sold so well because they were high quality and memorable, not because they were trying to recapture a fucking formula
>>338588506
No.
>>338588507
SE (first only Enix) was the publisher for Valkyrie Profile & Star Ocean, SE becoming the publisher post-merger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tri-Ace
Not really bound to one single publisher.
>>338588563
>let me use a buzzword that doesn't even apply, that'll show him!
I see you really want to push this discussion further down into the pits of retardation. Typical of a person that always resorts to logical fallacies in discussions.
>>338588575
I used to love Tri-Ace. Too bad they went to the mobile shit pile.
>>338588037
>not liking Raita's titty monsters
It's like you decided to put "good taste" last in your priority list
>>338588563
I mean. He's kinda right. Not every character should have a huge amount of story. That would make the entire narrative grind to a halt every single time there is a character on screen. Some are fine just being in the backround.
>>338588578
I just mean, Suikoden was posted here because of the character designs above all else. That's what most of this thread has been about.
>>338587932
Why is she pointing her drilldo at the camera?
>>338588578
I'm not praising LoD. I don't care for LoD at all. I'm just another poster.
I don't particularly care about Suikoden because of the huge rosters.
>>338588734
They are like skeletons with huge weirdly shaped tits thrown on. I don't get the appeal.
>>338588575
Sony sure likes wasting money. Should have paid for a EoE successor.
>>338577443
Holy shit a new ps1 game!
>>338588738
>I just mean, Suikoden was posted here because of the character designs above all else. That's what most of this thread has been about.
And now these people move goalposts because they know they lost that argument. Now instead they try and focus on how "shit" and "filler" the characters are when they're clearly massively ignorant about the series.
He doesn't even understand that many characters gets development across several games because the games are connected.
>>338588347
You fucking missed the point. You said I only think over designed characters = good design yet show lod which has some simple but well designed characters as examples. Fuck off
>>338588738
Optional dialogues?
Or do you also have a reason for why not having that improves the game?
>>338588481
this is you senpai
>>338588790
>I don't particularly care about Suikoden because of the huge rosters.
You don't care about the series because it has a big roster and your autism gets triggered if not all characters gets the same level of development as the leading characters?
>>338588797
I think when you're a god tier artist you can make anything work.
>>338588963
It's not about autism you dumbo. It makes me hard to care about the game if only few characters get focus while 80% of the cast is literally gotta catch em all and nothing more.
>>338577443
It came out? That's it? It looks like a high res DS game.
>>338588870
>You fucking missed the point. You said I only think over designed characters = good design yet show lod which has some simple but well designed characters as examples. Fuck off
But LoD has extremely generic designs.
Seriously, the only "unique" aspect of the design here is the red tinted armor >>338585640
You then also claimed that Suikoden has shit designs because they're "plain" when they are in fact extremely varied and fit the characterts.
Why would a commoner trained in martial arts on the side run around with a bunch of armor and shit?
>>338588882
I was just speaking in general. I mean, would Star Wars have been improved if Mon Mothma, Porkins and Boba Fett had Luke and Leia amount of screen time?
The movies would be like hundreds of hours long if everyone were fulled developed.
>>338589068
>It makes me hard to care about the game if only few characters get focus
So, autism.
You also talk shit about a series you haven't even played, which doesn't win you any points in intelligence.
>>338577443
I really hate the DS chibi aesthetics
90's RPGs never wanted to look like this, it was just the technical limitations at the time
>>338577443
Why is /v/ full of nostalgia fags
>lod faggot shittalking a series that got 5 sequels while his got 0
>>338589167
games are not movies
>>338589202
I have played Suikoden.
And again, you idiot, when 80% of the cast is literally gotta catch em all that might as well be creatures instead of human characters it makes it look very fucking stupid.
Essentially, it means 80% of the characters are "filler" and nothing more.
>>338589296
This is literal autism. Textbook.
>>338589282
No. But their narrative usually take the same format.
A character who is completely optional will have almost nothing to do with the story. So why focus on them?
>>338589281
You will regret your words when LoD2 is announced next year.
>>338589281
Why is louis CK wearing medieval armor? Did horace and pete get a spin-off?
>>338577443
Chrono Trigger wasn't just good because of it's gameplay. This sounds like overwritten melodramatic NEIR bullshit.
>>338589350
Where's your argument? "Autism" isn't an argument.
Does it hurt that much to know that over 80% of the cast is nothing short of filler content?
