>Samus is now a sex symbol for horny teens
>Other M bastardized the series
>Federation Force
How do we save this once beloved franchise, /v/?
We can't. Just be happy you got to enjoy it while it was good.
>>338568478
>Samus is now a sex symbol for horny teens
>Now
She's been like that since 2008 when Brawl came out and made the Zero Suit easy access.
>>338568570
Yeah thats pretty much what I meant.
Had there ever been more ridiculous butthurt over a fucking spinoff than Federation Force?
I'd really hate to see how you mongoloids would have reacted to Hunters and Prime Pinball.
How do we save the franchise? It's simple. But you don't want to listen to it, because it involves some heavy changes. Changes that /v/ would despise the very moment I mention them. It would shatter their desires because said desires overrwrite their want for a good game. It's a true pity.
>samus is now a sex symbol, in a series where the player is rewarded with less clothing with faster clear times since the very first game
nice revisionist history
>>338568926
What if I was to tell you that this was the worst part about Metroid, and by allowing it, we let the series devolve into focusing around her sex and her body, instead of her attitude and actions?
Metroid Prime was the savior of the series by completely rejecting disgusting sex fanservice and putting Samus in a bikini. Prime 2 and 3 threw that out, but what can you do against an audience of horny kids?
>>338568815
Well are you gonna bullshit or are you gonna give them?
>>338568478
>now a sex symbol
>now
Nigger, she's been getting her pixelated tits out since the NES era. Metroid's problem is that its last real entry was six years ago and it was a heaping pile of shit, and Nintendo has made a fine effort of ignoring Metroid's existence as an IP. When federation force sells like shit, and it will, it'll be yet another nail in the coffin for the brand, despite it not even being a real metroid game.
>>338569119
I'll try not to make it too long.
>remove all fanservice, including the Zero Suit and the original suit as said here >>338569113. We know Samus is a woman, so putting her in skimpy outfits only belittles her character because it leads to people hating Metroid games that don't have her in her suit (if you like Metroid Prime, for example, you're called a "primefag".) It also leads to games like Other M, where they want to take her out of her suit more often for fanservice, even at the detriment of gameplay.
>remove any and all excess story from the game. That means give a barebones, unique solo experience different from other Nintendo titles. Remove cutscenes, remove cinematics, remove everything that isn't letting you interact with the game in some way (the absolute max you should need is about 2-3 minutes of context scenes)
>remove all multiplayer possibilities. If kiddies want MP, they can play Smash Brothers, Splatoon, Mario Kart, or NSMB. Metroid needs to be singleplayer so the environment can fully immerse the player without them needing to worry about achievements or multiplayer splitscreen or other junk
>game needs to have less magic in it. The Chozo should be displayed as more of a superior technological race. If you start throwing magic in there, then it opens the way for George Lucas/Chris Metzen syndrome, where suddenly there's gotta be prophecies and chosen ones and all that. It diminishes Samus as a fighter with a free will because it implies that she's bound by destiny and has to do it, instead of doing it because she wants to the right thing
>remove all emotional garbage. If you need a scene to give an emotional sting, have it be done subtly and through the gameplay. Samus crying is not as effective as a scene that affects the gameplay and makes the player themselves cry
Justf or starters.
>>338568797
>would have
You know those games really came out right?
>>338568478
Replace fans with Normie shitters who will accept anything Nintendo pumps out like they did Mario and Zelda.
>>338569437
To be fair, it used to be a special thing to see her out of the suit, except when you died. And really it still is in the games. But Brawl made it commonplace and now more people fap to her porn than have ever played the games.
>>338568478
Let it die with dignity desu senpai even if it pains my heart
>>338568570
Exactly. Fuck Brawl, should have put in Dark Samus instead or nobody at all
>>338568478
>>Samus is now a sex symbol for horny teens
>implying people weren't recording Samus' death sequence in Super Metroid on VHS and jerking off to that
It's like you don't know how to live
>>338570041
Oh man i would had cummed buckets if Hackurai had made Dark Samus a fighter
>>338569886
Smash Brothers is Smash Brothers, Metroid is Metroid. The only metroid games where you spent a large amount of time in sexy mode are Zero Mission and Other M, in Zero Mission it was absolutely the best part of the game because it completely switched up how you had to play, and then payed off with you ripping through those sections you had difficulty with. Other M was shit, but it had nothing to do with the zero suit and everything to do with it being an otherwise underwhelming game with a depiction of Samus that can only be described as character assassination, and way too much focus on story.
>>338569672
What fucking magic? There is no magic in any of the games.
>>338569739
I'm saying most of these people weren't fans back then. In the last couple years the Metroid fanbase has become complete garbage. It's now composed almost solely of angry dumbass 20 year olds who are more interested in throwing shit fits than actually discussing the games.
>>338568797
I actually like Hunters and Pinball is literally prime 1
>>338570267
I literally said exactly that in that post.
>>338570240
>Landmaster Final Smash
>Down B Counter
You rike it?
>>338568570
>Brawl was 8 years ago
>tfw love metroid games
>love samus
She is hot so what? I dont see the problem
I honestly just want them to leave the series alone. Let Samus fall into obscurity where she can be fondly remembered and remain unhurt.
>>338570301
>what fucking magic
http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Chozo_Ghost
http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Ruins_Test
Oh gee, I don't know. Maybe this?
>>338570402
I'm not saying they're bad games, and I'm totally willing to give FF a fair chance. I'm just annoyed by the massive backlash against this game's very existence, as if Metroid spinoffs are some kind of sin against nature.
>>338570718
It's moreso the fact that Nintendo wants to shove multiplayer into everything.
It was a mistake to do it no matter the series. Yes, I'm including Hunters too, that pile of garbage Nintendo thought was good enough to release.
>>338569672
lol how is any of that controversial? It's what the metroid fanbase has always been crying for, except for the barebones story, maybe.
>>338570301
Or maybe Federation Force looks way worse than those and people are less willing to give Nintendo the benefit of the doubt with Metroid than they were a decade ago due to their track record not being what it was a decade ago and fuck you, Hunters was pretty shit and should not be held up as a reminder not to be overly harsh on new Metroid games.
>>338570718
I'm only mad because chibi style does not fit with metroid at all, WHY DIDN'T THEY JUST MADE THEM LOOK LIKE AT LEAST IN HUNTERS. FUCK
Only cucks and faggots have a problem with the sexualization of Samus.
>>338570951
>how is that controversial
Well, for one, if you hate Metroid: Other M, then you're called a tumblrite because you "hate sexy women", as if hating the game for its terrible gameplay surely isn't the prime issue here.
>>338571153
For example, I present you exhibit A: >>338571117
>only cucks and faggots have a problem with Metroid: Other M
>>338569113
You are delusional.
>>338571000
Regardless of the quality of the games, it has no effect on the future of the Metroid franchise. It's not replacing an actual Metroid game. It's a spinoff.
My point is having meltdowns over a spinoff is really fucking stupid.
>>338571117
I have a problem with it. My problem is she will never be real
>>338571153
I wouldn't have imagined even tumblr actually liked other m.
>>338571153
Anon's absolutely right, as seen here: >>338571117
>>338570301
Prime 3 had a race of shamans fighting a a literal holy civil war.
Maybe the Ing too since they literally act like a cross between ghosts and some lovecraftian horrors.
>>338571414
Prime 1 literally had ghosts in it. So did Super.
>>338571358
They don't. The only people who like it are complete mental midgets like Movie Bob.
The amazing thing about Other M is its ability to trigger people on both extremes of the gender politics spectrum.
>>338569672
>>remove any and all excess story from the game. That means give a barebones, unique solo experience different from other Nintendo titles. Remove cutscenes, remove cinematics, remove everything that isn't letting you interact with the game in some way (the absolute max you should need is about 2-3 minutes of context scenes)
Idk, I'd like to see about as much story as MP2, maybe, with Samus speaking, but handled with the utmost care, so that her personality that is established makes you think she's really cool and a fucking badass.
But it should be minimalist anyway.
>>338571414
>>338571508
I've always seen it as science magic. It's said the Chozo were so technologically advanced that they essentially ascended.
>>338571597
Prime 2 is about the upper bound for how much story a Metroid game needs. I'm against Samus talking though.
>>338568478
>Other M bastardized the series
Nice meme. Let me guess, you got mad at it because Samus isn't "MUH INDEPENDENT WOMYN" anymore?
>>338571597
Samus should not speak, ever. If you're desperate for her to express herself have logs that you unlock via percentage completion, i.e. every 20% completion you unlock one of Samus' logs that are told from first person perspective. Something about her personal life, thoughts on a mission, something like that.
Erase the existence of any game after Super Metroid.
Done.
Prime raped the series by turning it into a shitty console FPS.
>>338568797
It isn't about it being an spinoff, it's about it being an spinoff without a good metroid game in years.
Prime and Hunters were released along with GOOD metroid games, nintendo didn't neglect the main saga for the spinoff, unlike this...aberration of retard federation, and even so, if it had a big, good old metroid game at it side most people would even give it a good look instead of bashing it for what it is.
also, metroid is dead, that's all there is to it, the fanmade remake of Metroid 2 will be the last good metroid game once it's done.
>>338571730
>I'm against Samus talking though.
No, if there's a Nintendo protagonist who should speak, it's Samus. The problem is that Nintendo went full retard and allowed Other M to happen. If Samus was a quiet badass who still only spoke in the rarest instances and had some good, badass lines here and there, no one would complain about Samus speaking.
>>338571958
You mean Fusion and Hunters.
>>338570718
this has been stated time and time again. when pinball and hunters came out (pretty nice games honestly) metroid prime was still going and mainline titles were still being made. other m was 6 or so years ago and thats been the last metroid game since. left a shitty taste in everyone mouth and next game after that long time is federation force is it any wonder people are disappointed?
>>338571960
>No, if there's a Nintendo protagonist who should speak, it's Samus
Why? She's the one who spends the most time completely alone.
>If Samus was a quiet badass who still only spoke in the rarest instances and had some good, badass lines here and there, no one would complain about Samus speaking.
I'm not a big fan of trying to push the "she's a completely stoic 100% badass all the time" narrative either.
She clearly cared about those dead soldiers in Prime 2 and the lost animals in Fusion.
>>338571960
Samus doesn't need to speak, 99% of the time there's nobody there for her to speak to anyway.
>>338572260
>Why? She's the one who spends the most time completely alone.
It's fine if she meets fellow, rival Hunters like in MP3 or something.
>>338572260
>I'm not a big fan of trying to push the "she's a completely stoic 100% badass all the time" narrative either.
>She clearly cared about those dead soldiers in Prime 2 and the lost animals in Fusion.
That's not what I'm trying to push either.
>>338571958
There hasn't been a game because there's no one to make it. Retro is busy and Sakamoto is not touching it again.
I'd much rather the series go dormant than for them to shit out a game just for the sake of having a game.
You know how series get killed? Not by one bad game, but by continuing to have bad games year after year because executives mandate it. That's how Sonic was made into such a pile of crap.
>>338571960
I think Samus doesn't really need to speak. Part of the appeal for me is that Samus is usually alone and the player can easily fill in her thoughts without the need for monologues.
>>338572605
>I'd much rather the series go dormant than for them to shit out a game just for the sake of having a game
Exactly, which is why shitting out Federation Force is such a bad idea.
>You know how series get killed? Not by one bad game, but by continuing to have bad games year after year because executives mandate it. That's how Sonic was made into such a pile of crap.
Which is exactly the pattern they are establishing with Other M followed by Federation Force.
Get Masato Kato to come back as the main designer/writer for the series. And have him oversee the Metroid Zero Mission team to make a new Console 2D game. Have it play like Metroid II, no story, total isolation, focus on hunting Metroids and some sub bosses.
There. Series is fixed.
>>338568478
Seriously nothing wrong with a character being sexy. I feel like only prudes who cringe at the idea of anything being sexualized have a problem with something like that.
>>338573898
>console 2D game
Literally never ever. Why do people even suggest this because it absolutely won't happen.
>>338573898
>Console 2d
please no, i'm down for a 3ds 2d game tho
>>338573643
what area was this in echoes?
>>338574659
Space Pirate Fortress
>>338574236
Nintendo made mor ethan a few 2D games on Wii and Wii U. And since Metroid kind of established a major sub genre, they should work to improve it. Since its still stuck in the year 1994.
>>338575101
What 2D games were there that Nintendo made besides the NSMB U shit? Retro made DK.
I don't mind her being hot but I do hate that she's now just a symbol for busty Nintendo girls and no longer remembered as a ruthless hunter.
She's probably one of the best vidya protags to ever exist but not as of recent.Happy 30th anniversary, Samus.
Does anyone out there also think prime 3 was the best of the prime games? I feel like I'm the only one.
>>338575182
Warioland Shake It
Multiple Kirby games
Multiple Mario games
etc.
>>338575463
For me, it's 2>3>1. But I rank them all very high.
>>338575463
You probably are,yeah. It was more objective focused and had way more cut scenes, which Metroid fans tend to dislike.
>>338575898
Its a shame, i found the different world in prime 3 to be the best, and the other 3 hunters in the game were fuckin cool
>>338575413
>Happy 30th anniversary, Samus.
Fucking nintendo
>>338568570
>>338568650
>>338570041
Actually you can blame Metroid Zero Mission for that.
Just think, if zero mission had ended right when Samus flew off of zebes there would've been no zero suit.
>>338577058
They still had to go through the entire Zero Mission game though.
And let's be real, even if there was no zero suit she would still be sexualized to fuck.
>>338573643
Prime 2 is the best metroid
>>338568478
There's no hope.
Put a bullet it's head, lay it to rest next to Advance Wars and F-Zero.
>>338568797
Hunters had fucking amazing multiplayer and wasn't THAT shoddy in single player.
>>338577058
>>338577269
There's a big difference in sexualization here. If you don't see that, you lack common sense.
That ass shot in Zero Mission is what started the whole sexualization of Samus.
>its another 'Zero Suit Samus killed the franchise' episode
>Zero Suit Samus is only featured in the last few minutes of two games and Smash Bros
>>338579431
And which would you say leaves a lasting impression?
>>338579431
That's not the point, the point is how they presented her in Zero Mission.
- they gave her a flab ass
- they gave her fat thighs
- they shaped her suit like a thong
- they put her in vulnerable poses
- they shot a highly sexualized commercial in Japan which focused on her flab ass
Samus in the early games wore less clothes, but the sexualization was minor.
>>338579431
I thought it was three games. Four if you count the worst thing ever created as a Metroid game.
Anyway, I'd want the Miyamoto approach. I think what ruined Sticker Star and Paper Mario forever would work much better here. Forget the story, never make a Metroid 5, have Space Pirates and Metroids, it's just some Samus space adventure and it doesn't matter when or where it takes place as long as it makes for good levels and enemies.
Then have some crazy guy like Koizumi on board sneaking optional story bits in on the sly to give it some flavor, without getting in the way of the actual game.
I really want to have a 3D Metroid game that captures the acrobatics and movement options of the 2D ones.
>we'll never get Prime 1 Samus again and will forever be stuck with cartoony Samus
It'd be nice if someone at Nintendo actually cares about Metroid.
>>338579692
>Zero Mission
>- they gave her a flab ass
>- they gave her fat thighs
Except she has the typical skinny anime thighs and a tight ass. Which is actually what most young males drool over.
But no matter if you like skinny or thick girls, you're exaggerating things. Smash Bros is the only series to really over emphasize the sexuality of Samus. And even then, its pretty tame. And nowhere near enough where her Zero Suit took over the focus of the Power Suit or destroyed the series.
And as people already pointed out, seeing Samus nearly naked has been around since the beginning. You're crazy if you think this started with Zero Mission.
>>338579898
Prime did have some nice platforming once you got the space jump, but I would love to see the movement expanded.
I don't care too much for Zero Suit either, but it's ridiculous to blame it for the death of the franchise.
At worst it's bringing in horrible secondaries from Smash.
>>338580182
LOL, come on - that's not a tight ass. Everyone can see at the first glimpse that's not a tight ass.
You seem to judge entirely based on amount of exposure. Sure, Smsah has her most exposed but Zero Mission has the thong lines on the suit, the flab ass and several blatant butt shots.
>>338580258
Yeah, definitely. I want to see proper wall jumps in a 3D metroid, and a grapple beam that works something like the hook in the Just Cause series, or with proper freeform swinging mechanics.
>>338580504
>just cause grapple beam
I'd prefer Prime's swinging any day over a take-me-to-this-exact-point magic wand.
>>338571935
But Fusion is a good game
>>338568478
You know what? I don't care if she's sexualized. Porn happens, whatever.
I care more about the fact that Federation Force is a thing. What the fuck, Nintendo?
>>338579984
Hunters had the best Samus in that image while being the worst game.
>>338568478
>How do we save this once beloved franchise, /v/?
We can't do shit, only Nintendo can fix what they fucked up. If they make a 2D Metroid only make Zero Suit appear when Samus dies and when the game is completed at the fasted time then everyone will shut the fuck up about Other M and muh Metroid is dead. The other way s to make MP4 with Samus as the main character, thus retards will shut the fuck up about FF too.
>>338569113
>Worst part about Metroid
I bet you started with Prime. I'm not even defending Zero Suit Samus.
>>338578552
>next to Advance Wars and F-Zero.
Why is modern Nintendo so shit
>>338579173
I still remember how amazed I was when I saw that scene in Zero Mission. Her ass is HUGE.
I expected a small, tight ass but got the complete opposite.
>>338581113
Primefag here, please don't lump me in with retards like that.
>>338579173
Brawl spread the sexualization faster than a game literally 9 people played.>>338579431
>>338568478
>Samus is now a sex symbol for horny teens
No this is how faggots see her, Sakamoto wants the bitch in armor at all times. This was one of the only good decisions he made in Other M to keep Team Ninja's perverted asses from slapping the bitch everywhere in the game without her armor.
>>338581270
That may be true, but it didn't start it.
Besides, Brawl is the only post Zero Mission game that has portrayed Samus with an athletic ass instead of a plump one.
>>338581232
Sorry about that, I can understand him not liking fans throwing Zero Suit everywhere but complaining about Samus endgame, come on.
>>338580504
I'd rather see Metroid become a third person game. And have a true spider ball that allows you to climb any surface like in Metroid II. Not just magnetic tracks.
But I also want a 2D game made as well. Metroid should follow the example of Mario and have both a 2D game and 3D game every gen.
>>338581326
The sad thing about this post is that it's the other way around.
>>338568478
Prime Gameplay single player and Halo/COD like Multiplayer.
>>338581414
How many games actually showed her ass? Pretty much just Zero Mission and Other M, right? She looked pretty thin and lean when out of her suit in Prime 3
>>338581649
>Halo/COD like Multiplayer.
>>338580873
Federation Force is a continuation of Nintendo's brand new "Disappointment" marketing strategy where they take a budget spinoff eShop title and try to pass it off as the next installment in a beloved long-running series and charge you full price for it. They've been trying it out for about a year now and the results really speak for themselves.
>>338581578
Does anyone have that pic of Sakamoto telling the Team Ninja guy to fuck off when he asked for more Zero Suit? If not I will post the video.
>>338581854
I actually didn't know that, I thought Sakamoto was doing most of the retard decisions. He told Team Ninja to use a sideways Wii remote and the retarded coloring of the Gravity Suit.
>>338581661
Zero Mission, Other M, Brawl and Sm4sh.
She looks thin and lean in Zero Mission too...except for that overweight ass of hers.
In Sm4sh she looks athletic, except for her ass which looks fat.
Nintendo is trying to make her curvy and sexy, but the real Samus would not have such a squishy butt as she does in Zero Mission.
>>338581946
Yes most of his decisions were crap but the less Zero Suit one was actually good.
>>338581946
He did make most of the retarded decisions, but Team Ninja gonna Team Ninja, of course they're going to want as much skintight bodysuit as possible. Criticizing them for that is like criticizing a dog for licking its own balls.
I mean frankly the zero suit is just a symptom of the more serious writing problem. Rachel in her ridiculously stupid outfit is probably a stronger female character than Samus in Other M.
>>338581751
Lets not lie to ourselves now. Metriod is a prime franchise Nintendo ruined. It needed a 10 hour campaign and a multiplayer for people to binge on. Just make a game like Halo/COD where you play as the federation force against whomever with Samus like weapons. Call them Proto Arm canons.
Yeah its different but hey at least your getting Metroid games and you can still get the normal metroid on the 3DS
>>338582317
hunters remake when?
>>338568569
This
>>338582149
I don't care if Team Ninja going to Team Ninja, when I play Metroid I'm not playing it to see some bitch in a skintight catsuit, I play to kill aliens as some warrior in badass armor so again less Zero Suit is the only good decision Sakamoto made on that game. If Team Ninja want naked women, they can go put that shit in their own franchise.
>>338582149
Other M haters have to be the most autistic faggots on internet. Sakamoto presented Samus as a strong character with weaknesses, while these retard fans wanted her to be a perfect robot.
To this day I don't understand why Other M gets so much hate. It's as if 4chan turned SJW overnight.
>>338582473
Not bait dead serious. It would suck but atleast the franchise wouldn't be dead. Retro Studios can keep making the campaign but one of Nintendos biggest issues is the fact they dont have a shooter with good online to show off. People love them and you can use Metriod for it.
>>338577058
That's fine. That suit is the underwear for her armor. She loses the armor and has to stealth to survive. But brawl made it strong enough to use in battle effectively killing the idea that she is weak without the suit
>>338582317
>It needed a 10 hour campaign
>>338577058
Holy shit what a fat ass! It looks ridicolous on her.
>>338582637
Dobson please. Get some better taste
>>338582686
Well they've got Splatoon now. Hunters was pretty good but not enough people liked it.
>>338583027
Shut up. Other M is actually a masterpiece when it comes to portraying Samus. It doesn't go the easy way and just potray her as perfect or with the usual complexes - it makes her a unique character.
Her character is just like her looks - super strong on the outside, but with a soft feminine core on the inside. What's wrong with that?
Fucking hate faggots.
>>338582317
You're the reason Prime went to shit. I love Halo but no.
>Wanting FPS shit in Metroid Prime
>>338582806
It would be a easy to sell and marketable game. At this point its better then nothing. Just needs to be good and fun 10 hours
>>338583131
Metroid Hunters wasnt a online console game.
>>338583223
>It would be a easy to sell and marketable game
A metroid prime game is easy to sell already. We dont need that shit.
>>338583223
>At this point its better then nothing
This kind of thinking got us Federation Force. Just let it die.
>>338583357
Hey :)
>>338573643
I've always wondered if Dark Samus remembered everything it did as Metroid Prime. Is it angry at Samus for kicking its ass in the first game or just acting on instinct here?
>>338582741
They could've at least made it to look like it actually connects with the power suit.
Like so.
>>338583357
Retro doesn't want to do another Prime. Do you really want Metroid to become like Halo 4 or Crash Bandicoot?
>>338583496
Why does it need to?
>>338583223
You and Tanabe should be friends, you both want the Metroid Prime series to be a soulless generic FPS
>>338570659
Same deal as with Krystal and Star Fox. Two things happen at the same time so people assume caused the other. And it's an easy target that you can take your anger out at.
>>338583496
also this with a bit more covering her skin
>>338583213
I don't like Halo but normies do and a multiplayer will attract them to the franchise.
>>338583439
No..... Federation force isn't anything like my idea as they use the federation for single player on a handheld. Samus= Singleplayer. Fed ForceVS Aliens= Multiplayer
>>338583561
It just makes sense.
>>338583501
>Halo 4
Last time I checked Halo is still alive just not very popular anymore. What the fuck does Retro not making Prime have to do with turning it into a generic FPS?
>>338583501
Current retro can't make a good prime.
Reminder.
>>338583665
No it doesn't. Does your underwear plug into your pants?
>>338583609
When Halo 4 tried to be COD, it didn't attract anyone. Instead it lost most of the fanbase. COD players are going to play COD not Halo. What the fuck makes you think Halo players will migrate to Metroid Prime because it plays like "new" Halo?
>>338583863
My pants aren't an alien supersuit that shoots beams anon.
>>338582637
>To this day I don't understand why Other M gets so much hate
I see you haven't played it. Seriously, play that garbage. Not even talking about the cutscenes or story. Hope you enjoy pixel hunts.
Make a futuristic Zelda game with little to no "dungeon" areasAlso, copy MGSV's approach to storytelling
>>338583978
Do alien supersuits that shoot beams not work without having high tech underwear for some reason? Sounds like a huge design flaw
>>338583872
It should have a multiplayer like Halo/COD people could get into not play exactly like Halo or COD. What I'm saying is people love FPS multi player games and Metriod is the best Nintendo franchise to do it with. Nintendo lives on its classics and if Mario can go off and race cars/play tennis, golf, basketball and soccer/paint pictures and more then Samus can have a Multi player
>>338584062
Disappointment and anti climax?
>>338568478
By making a new game for starters. I mean she really has nothing going on aside from Smash so it's no wonder.
>>338570041
Dark Samus is fucking shit. It'd basically be the same as Dark Pit.
>B-B-BUT DARK SAMUS IS TOTALLY ORIGINAL AND WOULD HAVE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT MOVESET YOU KNOW NOTHING JON SNOW!
And I guess that's why it's called fucking "Dark Samus" and most of it's moves are some variation of Samus'? Dark Samus would just be another clone and you know it. Fucking Rundas would be better.
>>338568478
>Federation Force
I like how you don't actually make any points here, you just post the name of an unreleased spinoff title like it means something.
to bad its to much to ask for a metroid game to, god forbid, focus on gameplay first and everything else distant second
wouldn't even have minded other m as much if it had actually been fun to play
>>338584081
They already have Splatoon for this, they don't need to do this with Metroid.
>>338584059
Pixel hunt and the lack of good music were the only bad things I can think of.
>>338583187
you're an autistic waifufag, that's what's wrong
>>338584130
her assist trophy in sm4sh has plenty of unique moves
it could have easily been done
honestly if it hadn't been called god damn dark samus it would have been in
>>338584141
It's going to be shit.
>>338584065
I like how the zero suit only shows up in the games that are earlier in the timeline, while the games set later have her use that bikini looking deal. Almost as if over time Samus gets so good with using the power suit she doesn't need something to work as a middle man between them anymore.
>>338584172
You know Splatoon is not a Mass Audience shooter and plays nothing like it.
>>338571017
>chibi style does not fit with metroid at all
kys my man
>>338584332
Why do you want Metroid to die?
>>338584234
Not really. It's only 'unique' because it's a trophy and doesn't have to conform to a playable moveset. And even then the only really unique thing is the tentacle thing.
>>338583496
This is a series with bird ghosts and other shit. You really think the zero suit needs a bunch of bulky plugs all over it to seem like it connects between Samus and the Power Suit?
Besides I always thought that glowing pink symbol on its back, and the smaller one on her chest, was what connected to the Power Suit.
I mean we have flat, flexible plugs like that now.
>>338583843
Such bad photoshop skillz.
>>338583843
I want to spank 2004 Samus, just to see if tht gargantuan ass is firm muscle or soft flab.
>>338570659
> this
While I agree with everyone saying Samus shouldn't be sexualized (bed she's a badass with more substance than that) I don't see an issue with the original zero suit. Its not over the top sexy and you don't see it often anyways. Part of Samus' charm is being a femme fatale, and part of that is being hot.
Who will ever forget finding out Samus was a girl? For me (and I bet a fair number if you guys) the thought process went like this: "HOLY SHIT. THE BADASS BOUNTY HUNTER I'VE BEEN PLAYING AS IS A GIRL?! FUCKIN SICK! Hey, she's pretty hot too... Hell yeah."
I was so damn excited I immediately called my friends and told them. I then tokd any family member who would listen.
So I woukd say the problem isn't the zero suit or Samus' attractive-ness, but rather the idea that she is nothing more than that, which is a terrible disservice.
>>338569672
>remove all fanservice, including the Zero Suit and the original suit
I'm going to say that the zero suit was an important and enjoyable part of zero mission from a gameplay perspective. Samus losing her suit was an excellent change of pace directly after the climactic mother brain encounter. More importantly, the stealth section served to highlight the second climax of recieving the gravity suit and rampaging through the previously life threatening space pirates. Acquiring the gravity suit was the ZM equivalent to the hyper beam in SM. Her ship crashes and she comes out of it weaker and more vulnerable than she was at the start of the game, but then after the chozo boss she comes out of it the most powerful she's ever been.
Too many people get blinded by the skintight suit as being 'too sexy' and it is sexy, don't get me wrong. I just think that weaving the sexy revealing suit into an actual gameplay mechanic is a far more clever way than all the previous games (>>338568926), even super, where seeing samus in a sexy outfit is an arbitrary reward for beating the game under a certain time. I would be more than happy if the zero suit were included in a new metroid game if it had an impact on gameplay in a meaningful way.
So zero suit haters you are wrong and just as annoying as the fetishists that focus too much on tits and ass. Having said that, what they've done with zero suit samus in smash 4 is fucking retarded and absolute trash.
>>338584521
It's not photoshop - her ass is that fat.
>>338584386
Look all I want is a more Prime games and I think a Futuristic shooter would help it. If anything thanks to Nintendo's retard business moves in the past its dead now.
>>338584184
Doors that lock behind you
Overpowered dodge button
Can't fire missiles while moving
Only one way to go for 95% of the game
No hidden powerups except generic health and missile expansions and those charge powerups
the fucking gravity suit
The art style
The entire concept of controlling a game in 3D space using only a D Pad and 3 buttons
The idea that samus has to look boring and plain jane and dress like a prude or else she isn't badass annoys me more than the waifufags. Sexy and badass are not mutually exclusive concepts.
>>338584689
>director has plans and concepts already in the works for the next Prime game
>discusses it with every interview
>lol, it's dead, stupid Nintendo, I am so smart! SMRT
>>338584647
>stealth gameplay
>remove power suit
Geez it's like they didn't want to make a Metroid game.
>>338584714
LOL, what?
It's not overpowered.
Which the game is designed around.
Yes, it's a linear action title.
You still have to look pretty hard for those hidden things, though.
Rest is blah.
>>338584907
Yeah, having gameplay variety is sooooo horrible.
You Superkids are the worst.
>>338569672
everything except for the MP
MP was the shit on gamecube prime 2
>>338571682
That's basically what was described in Prime. As they became weaker physically, the became stronger technologically, until they basically experienced a singularity, with the only Chozo remaining physically being the corrupted "ghosts".
That's one aspect of Prime I enjoyed in particular (aming others). It fleshed out the lore of Metroid nicely without being stupidly story driven and ruining other aspects. Masterfully executed imho
>>338584573
Well the main issue here is that most of this fanbase is coming from Smash. The last Metroid game was Other M and it was considered absolutely terrible, so right now all anyone has is Smash. It really doesn't help that ZSS is high tier while Samus is low tier.
>>338584647
I disagree on this. It was an alright bit but it was nothing special and isn't really necessary or anything. While obviously it doesn't mean much anymoe, back then the whole completion time was though of as a big deal just because you never see her outside of her suit.
Also thing is that for most of the part Samus looks just plain better in Smash 4 than in Brawl. And not just from a sexual perspective either; she looks much more fit than the stick figure she was in Brawl. Your complain with it is basically that she's too attractive.
>>338584798
Not that anon but until they announce something I am not believing shit. Not only could another Prime game have some behind the scenes issues and get silently canceled but
>director has plans and concepts already in the works for the next Prime game
How do you know he wasn't talking about FedForce? Granted I have not kept up with interviews so if he talks about FedForce and then goes on to talk about the next Prime game as a separate thing I'd like to hear it.
>>338584798
Havent heard of a new Prime game, just Federation Force and that was universally hated the moment it was shown
>>338569672
Points 1, 3, and 4 are idiotic. The Chozo have always been space techno-monks that transcended the physical realm, multiplayer is fun and not something that detriments the single player experience, and there is nothing wrong with the image of Samus outside the power suit.
>>338571906
This is a really good idea. Like in the classic games, except voiced.
I really like this, I think it fits nicely.
>>338584962
the gameplay is entirely automated, you have to purposefully try to get hit
actually the game follows a bunch of shit modern gaming trends, complete linearity, handholding, focus on narrative, QTEs, fake "ur a badass!"mechanics with the retarded pseudo stylish executions etc
>>338585043
>the only Chozo remaining physically being the corrupted "ghosts".
From what I remember those ghosts are actually Chozo that did ascend but the corrupting influence of Phazon is so great it was able to somehow drag them back down while turning them insane in the process, which is why they attack you on sight.
Of course this was the old NA lore which I believe is no longer considered canon, the EU lore is and I don't know how it differs on this subject.
>>338585059
I think that guy's point about Zero Suit being trash in Smash 4 was because they gave her rocket boots and more special shit she doesn't actually have in Matroid games, and not that she's too sexy. I might just be steelmanning here.
>>338585172
No, not voiced you daft shit, that's the point.
>>338575463
I think one set an excellent precedent and two and three executed nicely.
All good in my oppinion.
>>338585085
>>338585097
>How do you know he wasn't talking about FedForce?
Because it is mentioned in interviews ABOUT Fed Force. He says specifically that it would involve Sylux, and use Fed Force as a stepping stone story-wise to lead into it.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-06-17-next-proper-metroid-prime-would-likely-now-be-on-nx
There's that, among others. Use Google.
>>338584962
>Yes, it's a linear action title.
You say that like it's not a problem.
>>338584647
The stealth section was the shittiest part of the game without question though. You beat it, and you're feeling good, then suddenly there's his tacked on part past that. The entire section has shitty level design, both the pirate ship and the CHozo temple are not particularly fun to explore (what little there is to do), the AI for the pirates is fucking retarded, the "traps" in the temple are shit (really, a spacefaring technophile race can only come up with a BIG EYE?), and the bosses are fucking horrendous to, with Mecha Ridley being the worst boss in the entire franchise, hands down. Fuck the ZS section and anyone who likes, you're all retarded.
>>338585284
Well those things really have nothing to do with sexualization, but rather to give her more potential for combat. And we all know that in an actual Metroid game she would never want to be fighting without her suit.
>>338585059
>Your complain with it is basically that she's too attractive
Nope, nope, wrong, so wrong. High heels are fucking retarded for an agile fighter and original concept art designs for the zero suit specifically state that she shouldn't have high heels.
>>338585473
>(really, a spacefaring technophile race can only come up with a BIG EYE?)
I was with you until this part m8, big retarded eyes and nonsensical technology are space pirate staples. Are we going to have to bust out the comics?
>>338585532
Her 'heels' are rocket boots though.
>>338585452
it's a shit linear action title too, there's zero challenge, variety and depth to the combat
>>338585532
>series has ghost, ftl, and other shit
>heels are too unrealisitic
Lol, this is why no one takes metroid fags seriously. Do you get upset when Peach is able to do all the shit she does while wearing that big dress? It's a nintendo game, it's for kids.
>>338585473
You know, if all you do is use negative adjective and don't actually show HOW it's all so bad, you look like an idiot. I can just copy and paste what you said, change any negatives like "shitty" or "tacked on" to "brilliant" and "ingeniously worked in".
I liked the stealth section, sorry you didn't.
>>338585490
He didn't say it was trash because of sexualization though
>>338585532
People complain about the "promise" to not give her high heels, but no one complains that they made her ass twice as big as in the original sketch?
>>338585532
>original concept art designs for the zero suit specifically state that she shouldn't have high heels
And that was broken with Other M.
I like how you post that picture like it isn't common knowledge among the fanbase. You think you're a genius because you can add 2 and 2 to get 4.
>>338585532
Smash is NOT a Metroid game in case you didn't realize
>>338585657
Some people get really autistic over a woman showing a single hint of anything that could be considered feminine.
I also love how they complain about the heels yet ignore her retarded hair and the boob-pockets, both of which were fixed in Smash 4.
>>338585729
>no one complains that they made her ass twice as big
Why would anyone complain about that? Fuck off
>>338568478
>Other M bastardized the series
No, Prime bastardized the series with really mediocre FPS gameplay and garbage platforming. It only kept getting worse. The game was good until it left 2D.
>That feel when you can enjoy ZSS and not have it leak over or ruin your perception of the original Samus
>>338585729
You see that's a thing called concept art, art made to see how the concept looks and work out issues with it.
Are you upset that Han Solo wasn't a frog person in the movies like he was in the original concept art?
>>338568478
>Federation Force
That's how we save it. Fed Force is a love letter and a dedicated LORE game. Disregard Superfag memes and enjoy it.
>>338585816
People who are not fond of Samus having a squishy butt?
Why would people complain about high heels? Fuck off.
>>338585863
A lot of people have a hard time with the idea that a female can be both sexy AND strong. For those people a woman is impossible to be taken seriously as a strong character if she's too attractive or 'sexualized'. They also have this idea that other people can't see them as both.
>>338585815
>character has a consistent appearance and aesthetic for 20+ years of a franchise
>latest game shrinks her by over a foot, adds whore heels, and utterly destroys the characterization she showed previously
Wow what a surprise, people get upset about those things. Neon stripper heels/wedges are a totally idiotic and unnecessary addition, especially since she's been hanging out in her underwear since 1986. We already KNOW she's feminine.
>>338585993
High heels are impractical and dumb
Big asses are practical and great
>Fuckbois can't deal with a strong and sexy girl protag and blame the shortcomings in her design instead of the shit games since MP3
Hunters has best ZSS
>>338585863
I just wish for Metroid Prime 4 :(
>>338586065
>the shit games since MII:RoS
Fixed.
>>338586052
This is bait, right?
>>338586054
Samus isn't supposed to have a big ass, her ass is supposed to be athletic.
>200+ posts
>no TUUUBES
>>338586134
Explain what possible part of that post is bait.
>>338585905
So why did they change her ass from normal to fat?
>>338586139
As we all know athletic girls don't have asses
>>338586213
Because they worked out the issues and found a fat ass works better.
>>338568478
it's simple. we buff up samus, make her look like brienne from GoT. give her a similar character archetype and give her some lonely badassery moments.
>>338586186
>hanging around in underwear is ok
>but wearing heels, even if they have jets attached to them, is going too far
Also let's not pretend that Samus has a deep, rich characterization. She has some (obviously not taking OM into account) but it's not a ton. And none of it was really 'destroyed', especially since Smash doesn't even remotely fit with Metroid canon anyway.
>>338586304
How does a fat ass work better on a bounty hunter who is supposed to fit and in great shape?
Fucking troll.
>>338583187
What a joke.
Samus was portrayed as vulnerable in multiple entries before Other M. Other M failed where others succeeded because it was way to heavy handed.
Yes, Samus is more than just a stoic pair of robo armor tits, but the fact remains that she is a badass among badasses. She saw the destruction of her world as a child. She was raised by an alien race as warrior to seek her revenge. She succeeded and nearly wiped out her aggressors single handedly, as she does with all threats. Yet she does not hesitate to help the downtrodden, or feel sorrow for fallen allies, or wistfully remember the past.
Yes Samus has a gentle side. Yes, she is a woman with womanly charms.
But before all that, she is a warrior with a warriors spirit.
I rest my case.
>>338586405
It looks better you idiot.
>>338586323
She never fights anyone in her underwear. If she did that would be retarded too
>>338575898
Also the imbalanced gameplay. Hyper mode is too strong and too much of the fighting revolves around puzzle enemies that involve doing certain things to get them to reveal their weak point so you can nail it with hyper beam. Either that or the enemies were straight damage sponges that took ages to kill with regular beams, which sort of halfway forced you to use hypermode to dispose of them. Prime 2 sort of had the same problem but not in the same magnitude.
>>338586139
athletes can have big asses you know
ever heard of squats
>>338586483
And the ZS isn't underwear.
>>338586507
And yet Corruption was still better than Echoes, which had it's own set of issues.
I just want another good 2d metroid with like super or zero mission
>>338586323
The nerf heels are retard on concept because she's in Brawl and didn't have them and still leapt around just fine. An utterly pointless addition that is both tacky and ugly, much like the zero suit itself. I don't care much for how she's represented in sm4sh but the alternate costumes from ZM/Fusion are nice. I'm not talking about smash in regards to her character, I'm talking about Other M obviously.
>>338586518
You don't think this ass is the result of squats, do you?
>>338586451
To you, maybe.
>>338586620
>Corruption
>better than Echoes
Man you're really retarded.
>>338572341
>>338572772
I don't know why some people are totally and completely unopposed to Samus speaking. It's not like she hasn't done so before. She spoke in Metroid Fusion and was going to speak in the Metroid Prime intro before Retro took that out.
It's like people for some reason think that there's no way they could handle it intelligently and with grace, only having her speak in rare parts of the game where it'd make sense. It's like MP2's ammo system and occasional NPC. I'd say most were okay with those. What's wrong with taking risks? As long as they don't go full retard like with Other M and think that people play Metroid solely just to hear Samus speak, then it should be fine.
>>338586620
>And the ZS isn't underwear.
It basically is; it's just the shit she wears under her suit.
>And yet Corruption was still better than Echoes
How are you so wrong about everything?
>>338586005
if this was facebook i would like your post.
>>338586620
>And yet Corruption was still better than Echoes, which had it's own set of issues.
>>338586821
>I don't know why some people are totally and completely unopposed to Samus speaking. It's not like she hasn't done so before. She spoke in Metroid Fusion and was going to speak in the Metroid Prime intro before Retro took that out.
Also she speaks in Brawl and 4, and while those may not be canon, those probably have the best Samus personality-wise out of any game yet. What's wrong with Samus being a stoic badass who actually speaks from time to time? Just handle it with subtly and grace ffs.
>>338568478
romhacks. make our own damn metroids
>>338586652
Star Fox got its reboot and Zelda got its first isometric title in a long time with LBW, so maybe it'll happen someday.
>>338568478
we don't, we can't. the only thing that eases the pain is i know i finished the original metroid and super but i still need to go through prime (all 3).
>>338586419
/thread
>>338586419
other m samus is such an inept stereotypical fragile waifu tailored to trigger the oily fedoras instinct to protect her smile she'd feel unrealistic as an office lady, let alone as a legendary galactic bounty hunter
>>338586750
Wow, she's wearing a fucking thong suit! Look at dat THONG!
>>338585289
> daft shit
Somebody's cranky.
I stil like the idea, voiced or no. Data logs was something I enjoy in Prime my first playthrough. I was lore hungry.
And while I'm not sure 100%, I don't think giving Samus a voice woukd ruin things per se, although I'm on the fence.
>>338586821
Because she's like Link. Sure, she's technically a character, but she's supposed to be a player avatar that you can project yourself into.
>>338586716
And they basically exist to 'justify' her jumping around and being more acrobatic. And I'm not so analpained about the idea of heals that I can't see that she looks much better in Sm4sh than she did in Brawl. I'm happier that they fixed that retarded-ass hair she'd had since ZM.
Also Other M is best put into it's own category, because i haven't seen anything in Sm4sh that implies she's like she is in OM.
>>338586801
>>338586832
>>338586906
Sorry but it is. I get that Echoes has hipster cred now but it is far from perfect. Obviously Prime was the best of the three, with the other two trying new things and kind of floundering.
At least Corruption doesn't have mostly-bland environments with even more bland and obnoxious 'dark' versions of them, and doesn't bog you down with the worst end-game fetchquest in the series, to name a couple of things.
>>338586750
anon if you want man ass there's a board for that.
>>338587135
It didn't need to be justified in the first place. Brawl Samus is better by leaps and bounds, she's proportioned a hell of a lot better.
