>watching HCS pro league on the official Halo twitch channel
>most people in the chat were going on about how Halo is dead and that 343 killed it
>they even hated on Reach
>come to /v/
>pro 343 shilling everywhere
>anons unironically saying that Halo 5 is the best multiplayer Halo since Halo 2
And people seriously think shills aren't a real thing. How does it feel that shitters on Twitch actually have better taste than you fags?
>>338524087
Feel free to keep browsing Twitch then, you won't be missed.
/v/ is one person
>>338524184
TwitchfagsON THE OFFICIAL HALO TWITCH CHANNEL NO LESSactually have better taste than the /v/irgins here do. That's absolutely fucking pathetic. What the hell has happened to this board?
I like Halo but seriously, you watch 'pro Halo games'? Might as well watch paint dry since you care so little about your time.
>/v/
>remotely saying anything good about Halo 5 or 343
This is bait.
>>338524508
>the best Halo multiplayer since 2
Oh you are unaware of how many people actually said this?
>>338524345
It's better now. A long time ago moderators actively deleted halo threads and halo fans were bullied and we had to sneak threads in really late, that was the pinnacle of the halo community on /v/. After halo became sort of acceptable we all hated on reach and 343, but now I think the leddit posters are here and actually like the new halo
Reach took more skill than Halo 5 ever will, bloom was not perfect but it was nice counterbalance for DMR hitscan. At least they tried.
>>338524508
here is my shit opinions on halo and you will read them because you are a little bitch
Halo 1: Amazing campaign decent fun multiplayer
Halo 2 : Great campaign amazing multiplayer
Halo 3: Amazing campaign and multiplayer
Halo Reach: Amazing campaign ok multiplayer
Halo4: ok campaign trash multiplayer
Halo5: wtf are you doing tier campaign Amazing multiplayer
4chan has been dead for a while m8.
Just waiting to find somewhere else to go.
>>338525001
I'll post mine
>CE, amazing campaign and fun MP
>2, decent campaign and great MP
>3, great campaign and MP
>4, bad campaign and atrocious MP
>5, ok MP and campaign
Reach was alright too
>>338524087
Threads about halo 5 before and during release were just a 400+ post thread about the game looking like shit and the 343 defensive fanbase swarming in
After release halo 5 threads became rarer than SF5 threads post launch , game comes out and is dismissed by most of the halo community on 4chan namely vg
I don't own a one but I did play it and thought it felt like a slower CS with COD running
>>338524759
>Reach having any skill to begin with
I'm not a fan of 343, but why do Bungie fans do this, why do they keep trying to say anything after the Halo trilogy was good?
lmao
>>338525001
Finally someone with a good opinion about mainline Halo games on /v/.
>>338524087
Halo 5 is fucking shit. All people care about is REQ packs and didn't care that 343 basically fed us back the content we had with the previous releases on DAY ONE.
>inb4 Halo hater
>git gud
>snarky reddit-esque comments
>>338525431
I agree. Although I had fun with reach and consider it still leagues ahead of 4 and 5, it was absolutely the beginning of the end and wasn't really a halo game. The story was a disappointment, armor abilities were a straight up mistake and the maps being just single player areas was a massive blow going from the god tier map design of the other games. If reach hadn't of existed, 4 might've been an actual halo game
>>338525001
Halo 5's multiplayer is trash.
>>338525001
Agree with everything except halo 1. I find the campaign to be really boring. I'm okay with reusing levels since it really was fun to go through previous levels and find them wrecked by the Flood. But I didn't like how many hallways were copy and pasted and how it felt like 90% of the game I was fighting in a cramped hallway
shills do exist in /v/, its common knowledge
there was a thread pointing that out and it got autosaged and deleted in minutes
>>338525894
This shit always gets deleted. Just like when people posted the emails of furfag mods colluding to promote furshit here ages ago and threads would be deleted within seconds. They can't be trusted
>>338524087
halo is fucking dead you idiot. youre just too late. even the biggest scrub can tell that halo 5 is nothing like the originals
>>338525795
no the majority of maps are shit but the core gameplay is 10/10
i bet you just need to GIT GUD because someone always thruster pack strafes and out brs you
>>338525707
How to spot a shitter: they think that maps were designed for singleplayer when bungie themselves have said in vidoc that they put multiplayer maps into campaign as fun easter eggs.
>>338526102
> because someone always thruster pack strafes and out brs you
Here we go, now your opinions mean shit to me now.
>>338526116
You actually believe that shit? Bungie lied all the time and they were lazy on top of that. It's amazing that the games were as good as they were.
>>338526102
>but the core gameplay is 10/10
yes because we can all remember when arena shooters had sprint..h5 is literally worse than pic related
>>338525795
Git fud nigger
>>338526102
Halo 5:
>lowest base movement speed in Halo series that makes conventional strafing useless
>dedicated SUPER SKILLED one time strafe button as a substitute
What is skill gap compression?
>>338526253
GIT GUD
>>338526116
Yeah, because devs build mp maps and then build campaign areas around them all the time, right? No, that makes no fucking sense. Devs build the campaign first. You're fucking delusional if you thinks maps like Boneyeard and Spire werent just shamelessly ripped out of the campaign as mp maps
>>338524623
We're all aware. But that's ignoring everything else like
>Power Ranger spartans
>MC is now Space Jesus
>retarded ass aesthetics
>retarded ass lore stomping
>boring as fuck campaign
>story that makes no sense and is as emotional as a rock
>MP avatars never shut the fuck up
>Graphics looking outdated already
>Music was ok but very generic
Halo 5 does have an amazing multiplayer component. And that's pretty much all it has going for it. Even Sonic 2006 atleast had some catchy music. Saying that doesn't mean I'm shilling.
>>338526436
Literally wrong. Reach had the lowest base movement speed.
>>338526441
nice man. was that you? I fukcing miss bxring. halo 3 should've kept it in on purpose. it was definitely something else that separated halo from other fps'. gears had active reloading, cs had weapon patterns, quake had strafe jumping. they really fucking dropped the ball by taking it out
also anyone who thinks halo reach was good is a delusional fucking idiot
>bloom rng as fuck
>armor lock lol what is this n64?
>worst form of sprint which 1-3 never had/needed
>gimped jump height unlike 1-3
>nuke nadee and only spawning with one (wtf is that supposed to do?)
>worst 4v4 maps unlike 1-3 (except 3 was kinda meh for maps)
>literally the worst ranking system since halo came to XBL
I can criticize almost all the armor abilities too
>jet pack
ruins map control/layout
>spawning with camo
what the fuck? OP as fuck this isn't crisis and you'll never git gud by hiding in a corner cloaked
>evade
complete get outta jail free
>>338526494
>>338526280
Of course i don't believe actual developers, anonymous persons on the internet who pull shit out of their ass is the only credible source!
>>338526102
>core gameplay is 10/10
>The aiming in this game different than any other titles.
>There is sprint in an arena shooter
>There are no interesting weapons added into Arena Multiplayer other than the Hydra
>Automatics have faster TTK than precision weapons
>Maps look like BO3 clones and have no verticality
>Boost jumps and Spartan mobility speed the game up to the point where you feel like a chicken with your head cut off
>Clambering made it to where there are no scared spots on map because you can just sprint and climb up anywhere
>There are ADS bonuses for automatics
The only good thing about the game are the graphics, they are absolutely stunning for an Xbox One title. They blow Star Wars: Battlefront out of the water.
>>338526683
>nuke nade
God damn that shit brought out some WaW veteran difficulty flashbacks. Majority of big team matches was spent running away from grenades
>>338526436
>lowest base movement speed
Literally fuck off halo 3 is the slowest one.
halo 5 is pretty damn close to the speed of halo 2 and protip conventional strafing works just fine but im sure silvers dont know shit anyways
>>338526836
You know it's true, that doesn't make sense at all. They got lazy, again
>>338526593
Nope, it is Halo 5, sprint was optional in Reach, it is mandatory in H5.
No love for Halo 1? I can give you pages of reasons as to why the game had the best multiplayer, but I'm sure they're the same opinions you'll find scattered across the Internet.
Halo 2 had its bright spots, but Halo 1 multiplayer was the peak of the series.
>remembering playing custom games with a full lobby of friends
>remembering spending whole days messing around in forge and having childish banter
WHAT HAPPENED BROS
>>338526906
except halo 5 has massive maps so it doesn't really matter how fast you're moving especially the fast as fuck kill times slowing the gameplay down even more. no need to use your environment anymore since you can pretty much die from anywhere, literally cod, git gud you delusional bastard
>>338526436
>lowest base movement speed in Halo series that makes conventional strafing useless
>What is Halo 3?
>Tfw want to start streaming but can't decide what to make my twitch name
>>338527137
Have a long walk and you'll get some inspiration
>>338527053
Halo CE gets slept on mad hard. I was born for H2, but CE is hands down much more fun and engaging. I love the classic Arena feel, despite the EXTREMELY slow movement speed. It was pretty much Quake-lite.
>>338527137
please don't start one. halo 5 is bad and you're probably terrible
>>338526906
Nope you are wrong, shill, H5 is the slowest base movement speed in series because of mandatory sprint.
>>338527076
spoken like a true silver
Map control is still important, kill times are close to halo 2 and far longer than halo 1
i have a few legit complaints. Alot of maps are poorly designed and showing people a fucking power weapon count down is pure casual shit.
other than that its still a great game
but kill times and hurr you dont need map control are not complaints
Can someone explain to me exactly why the series so called shit the bed when 343 took over? What is it about the old Halo games that is supposedly better?
>>338527137
>Want to start streaming Halo 5
Literally out of all the thing you could want to do with your life why stream this trash game?
>>338526836
In this case, yeah I wouldn't trust the devs. I'm sure maps like Boardwalk, which was at the VERY beginning of Exodus, was developed along with with the campaign, but if you believe that very map, especially the bigger ones, was designed for multiplayer first, then you're delusional. And if you're right? Then that's just lazy design.
>>338527453
>designed and showing people a fucking power weapon count down is pure casual shit.
spoke like a true plat, most pros have countdown timers anyway lmfao. yeah, you're terrible
>>338527342
>>338526906
i'll just leave this here for both of you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iedeG7SVPCE
Halo 1-3 are slow moving trash compared to Reach, 4 and 5. The faster movement speed improved Halo.
>>338527652
bait
>>338526538
>>Halo 5 does have an amazing multiplayer component
This, and really only this.
>>338527615
>wtf are you even on about?
yes and pros keep track of timers that with a fucking coach you dipshit.
holy shit you must literally be retarded to take what i said and say pros have countdown timers anyways as an argument against me when i said showing it to everyone was casual
FUCK ME I GOT BAITED GOOD
>>338527213
I'll do that.
>>338527289
>>338527569
God no, Halo has gone downhill after 3, everything after reach was shit. I just want to stream in general
>>338527834
you got baited hard if you bought h5 after the shit show that was mcc and h4. seriously, you like getting fucked in the ass eh? you must be a fucking idiot to still follow this shit
>>338527968
but anon getting fucked in the ass is fun
its why i have bad dragon dildos
>>338527453
There is difference between ideal kill time in old Halos and easy as fuck perfect kills in H5, also automatic weapons with CoD level TTK is not Halo. I'm tired of your blatant lies and shilling.
>>338527510
343 is just opting for following the status quo of the current leaders in the FPS Genre instead of accentuating what made Halo "Halo".
We now have a "strafe-button", sprinting, strong automatics that outclass precision weapons, microtransactions, and a divided community that want's to be the kid who is the mediator and balancer of the game.
Y'know that one kid that would come over to your house take the controller for you jack up the mobility speed to 500%, give everyone Energy Swords, decrease the gravity, and somehow tell you that the game is balanced? That is basically what 343 is doing, and there are Pro-343 people and "Anti-343" people who just want Halo to be itself again.
Old Halo titles aren't necessarily "better" and the new titles certainly aren't "better" they just provide different experiences but the latter really does feel like generic future military shooter #4758.
>>338528105
is this...is it baiting? is it trolling? have the trolls evolved? is this a new way of trolling??? how can anyone honestly defend 343 after h4 and mcc.i would say technically h5 is the best since 3 but definitely not better than it.
It is amusing the legions of fans and owners of the Xbox One you can find the moment to critizice Halo 5 comes.
All of them own the Xbone, all of them bought Halo.
I can't fucking explain to myself how the bone would be the least sold console given how pretty much everybody and their mother played Halo 5 and has an acutal opinion from experience.
>>338527593
And who are you? An expert in map design?
>you will never get to play Halo 3 on your desktop
>sprint
>shit maps
>no gametypes
>Warzone is shit
>btb is all forge shit
>lol we Spartan now abilities
H5 is fucking shit
>>338528428
I really regret buying my Xbox One. The thing I've noticed about Xbox fans is that we are all equally retarded we just act like we are all smart online.
I shouldn't have bought this shit console to be lumped in with a bunch of retards.
>>338527652
even if that was true,
the loadouts, 'killstreak' rewards, armor abilities, and supply drops make them utter trash. any one of those will destroy balance.
>>338524087
>Twitch fags watching games they don't like
So much better
>>338527834
You do know that getting a power weapon while an enemy doesn't have sight on you gives you knowledge of when it spawns. Now everyone knows when everything spawns regardless of who got the weapon first removing the timer advantage of past games
5 is fucking shit and I'm positive there were shills on here for it when it was coming out
>>338528637
b-but anon...u don't remember? all arena fps always had sprint! HOW DO U NOT REMEMBER
>>338528712
That's a strange feeling, I have an actual gaming pc that's powerful and I was happy with my purchase.
So can we all agree that the Halo 5 Lightrifle is a miracle of the universe?
>>338528382
>>338528428
I dunno senpai. Surprisingly more copies of Halo 5 sole than Bloodborne despite all of the horribly botched advertising for H5.
I don't really care about the MCC clusterfuck cause I mainly wanted it for the remastered 2.
H5's story was really, really lackluster, but the Arena MP is very enjoyable. The movement feels good, the guns feel good, the maps are a little bit of a step down from 4 aesthetically though, but they're still serviceable.
>>338528526
>he doesn't know
>>338528712
Xbone is fucking horrible, i so fucking hate this console.
>>338526868
>Clambering made it to where there are no scared spots on map because you can just sprint and climb up anywhere
What do you mean by sacred spots family?
>>338528878
label your fucking axis you mongoloid
>>338528947
>>he doesn't know
halo online isn't h3 even h2 vista is closer to h2 than halo online is to h3
>>338529074
I was lifetime sales as of december 2015.
>>338528712
I have a PC, but I enjoy my XBone occasionally to play Halo with a few friends every now and then.
I did quite enjoy Titanfall even if it was way too, uh, is easy the right word?
>>338529074
>label your fucking axis
>axis
Fucking mongoloid, it's axes.
>>338528791
What are you even saying? Halo 5 has 10/10 MP for real Halo pros, because automatic weapons take skill, strafing with one button takes skill, git gud etc.
>>338529149
kek really? I thought I remember reading something about 5 being the most sold or biggest opening
>>338526906
>Literally fuck off halo 3 is the slowest one.
Someone hasn't played ODST & Reach I see.
>>338528878
>no context with image
All boy I do sure love my memes!
I know it's pointless to even bring it up, but the time when the other Halo games released was very different to now. Halo 1 was one of the only successful FPS on console, Halo 2 being one of the first xbox live games (with some of Halo 2's mp system being used by microsoft for testing ideas which would be tacked on Xbox live later on) and Halo 3 having one of the biggest advertising campaigns built around it, not to mention it was one of the very first 360 games. Comparing Halo's just isn't fair, the market is saturated now and the xbox scene is just different.
>>338528878
Keep in mind that while the sales for the game were extremely low (not including the console bundles), 343i is still cheesing off REQ money and they are still trying to show the higher ups at Microsoft that Halo is still worth something.
>>338527652
oh boy... here we go.
>>338529303
I think 4 broke the record for most sales in 24 hours or something
but 5 didnt
5 was DoA because 4 was so bad
>>338525854
Halo, like Doom, is a game where combat changes as the enemies you fight change.
People complaining about the levels really strike me as largely disingenuous. You could have a featureless room and so long as you changed up the specific combination of enemies, it would still make for new and interesting fights.
e.g. a pair of hunters vs a swarm of jackals vs stealth elites vs sword elites - each set of enemies would be a completely new and interesting fight before you even start considering level design. This is what made Halo 1's campaign and gameplay so good. It's also a strong element of what makes Doom's gameplay so good.
They kind of lost this element later on in the series though. AI behaviour didn't differentiate enemies enough and too many of the same type of enemy kept being introduced over and over in the same sort of set piece battle, which indicates Bungie didn't really understand why Halo 1 was good, and I think that's further corroborated by Jamie Griesemer saying that Halo's fun was about this "30 seconds of gameplay" thing; which is wrong.
>>338524087
Any time people can post anonymously and without restraint, you're going to get people posting for their own financial best interest.
>>338529414
Yeah lol, that's why CoD sells just like it was selling in 2007 (same year H3 came out) or better. Could it be because CoD stayed truth to it's formula while Halo games from 343 have tried to be anything BUT an actual Halo games. Hmmm, i don't know.
>>338528174
What doesn't help is the art change
The spartan armor went from being a power armor suit that enhances strength and mobility, to being a skinsuit with football armor on top and slippers on the bottom.
people shitting on Halo 5 multiplayer have never played it, and they certainly haven't played all the playlists. campaign is one of the weaker ones but the multiplayer is stellar (especially BTB/Swat/Fiesta). I understand the hate because Halo 4's multiplayer was godawful.
>>338530173
Halo 5's multiplayer isn't halo and was designed for people who don't like Halo's multiplayer.
>>338530173
h5 may be a step up from 4 but its still pretty bad. even h2a gameplay was better and more traditional halo..
>>338524087
My biggest issue with Halo 5 is that all the weapons are just BR variants and the few power weapons usually have long spawns and very low ammo counts for the sake of balance. Seems like a complete cop out to nerf power weapons just by making them rare.
>>338530173
I have played it, it's shit. Awful maps, awful gametypes, awful aesthetics, awful community
>le kappa XDDD
>superior to anything
Neck yourself
It's crazy how fast Halo dropped off a cliff, from one of the most popular series to not even in the top 10
>>338530553
it was sold to an extremely inexperienced developer who just wanted to make money
and it blew up in their faces
>>338530173
Son, I picked up Halo 5 Day One and played it religiously for a week until I realized that there was no Infection, Oddball, Assault, Firefight, Big Team Battle, Server Browser, and Theatre was broken as hell.
Now its May and while everything that we had Day One is back or is slated to come back, I can safely was I feel like I wasted my money.
Its not this is game is bad, its just becoming more generic and gimmicky. Everyone is just happy and calling it "the best Halo game since Halo 3" because all the other games we got had glaring flaws (4) or were just fucking broken (Halo MCC)
>>338526538
>Halo 5 does have an amazing multiplayer component
Yeah. It's pretty good. But I could do without the microtransactions. That campaign was FUCKING awful though. I think the game is overall better than 4. The multiplayer saves it. They really need to do better with the campaign in 6. They rely too much on the extended universe. I don't have time to read 30 books and comics just to understand what's going on in 5.
>>338530907
5 has microtransactions??
>>338530553
This is what happens when you:
>release an overpriced expansion
>release a shitty prequel that gritty to resemble modern shooters
>release COD in space
>Throw the main character in the garbage while adding features that has been in almost every game late.
You want /v/ to be your echo chamber? Isn't that why we hated neogaf and reddit for so long?
>>338528791
>You do know that getting a power weapon while an enemy doesn't have sight on you gives you knowledge of when it spawns.
Not in MLG settings for 3, and Reach. Or Halo 1.
>>338530173
>bullet magnetism
Aim assist on a console is excusable because of poor stick movement, but baked in auto aim is absolutely crap.
>>338531075
Yah its the trade off for free DLC
>>338530553
Because it ended.
Halo 1-3 will always be considered legendary. It spawned a second golden age in shooters, and single-handedly kept the Xbox afloat. It jump-started Machinima as an entertainment form, and was as strong of a brand as Call of Duty or even Grand Theft Auto.
Then it ended with Reach. Bungie left, everyone understood that, and people were fine with it. Everyone moved on to the next franchise.
Except Microsoft. They made 343, and people didn't like it. They made games, and people aren't liking them. They're improving, but they're selling the game to a different group, and still using the name of Halo while making everything as different as they can.
Basically, nothing happened after Halo: Reach.
>>338524087
>spam epic memes over and over in the desperate hope the streamer validates your existence by acknowledging you
literally human garbage
>>338526538
Halo 5 didn't stomp any lore, 4 did though
>Power Ranger spartans
You've clearly never read the books
>>338530907
>They rely too much on the extended universe. I don't have time to read 30 books and comics just to understand what's going on in 5.
I think this is a bullshit excuse. Both 4 and 5's stories are easily understandable even if you don't read the books. Reading the books certainly helps gives more context then it did in ce, 2 or 3, but it's still plenty understandbale.
both 4 and 5 go out of their way to explain WAY more shit then CE did; yet nobody ever complains about how CE forced you to read the fall of reach to know who the covenant were or what spartans are, etc
>>338531075
Sorta, but it's the most innocuous implementation of them i've ever seen.
Essentially, armor unlocks are tied to something called the REQ system, which is just a randomized card system. So instead of being able to unlock cosmetic armor jyust by buying that armor, you can buy packs. You have the option to spend real money on it but you get enough in game points after a single MP match to buy a pack anyways.
There's also a single bullshit for shits and giggles mode called warzone separate from normal ranked MP where you can use other REQ cards to summon beefed up weapons and vehicles. It plays a little like invasion and is pretty fun, and there are controls in the mode itself to prevent it from being pw2
>>338531363
Every single halo game ever, if not all console FPS's, have bullet magnetism
>>338530907
>that concept art
>we'll never get another Halo with Bungie art direction so god-tier
God damn why did 343i have to make everything look so indistinctive and anime?
>>338531702
>CE forced you to read the fall of reach to know who the covenant were or what spartans are
What did you honestly need to know other than Chief is a super soldier and aliens want to fuck our shit?
>>338531363
Halo 5 has some of the lowest bullet magnetism since halo 3 though.
2, 4, and especially Reach had magical curving bullets and Reach had some 'let me aim this for you' tier auto-aim where your cursor would automatically adjust to people moving near it if you could see them. A pretty good example of this is the halo 2 BR's magnetism compared to the halo 5 BR. Its night and day. Only Halo 3/PC CE have low/no auto-aim/magnetism.
>>338531847
Destiny has god-tier art direction.
Unfortunately it has the worst match making in any game ever created.
The PvE side becomes stale fast, too.
>>338531702
>You've clearly never read the books
I never read the book for Dark Knight Rises, doesn't make the opening scene any better. The books aren't going to save 4 or 5 from having Spartans being a bunch of misfit retards who don't even seem like they were chosen from UNSC spec ops and shit. They expect me to believe that a bunch of undisciplined 2 dimensional teenagers with attitude were the equivalent of modern day Army Rangers before given power armor and not think that they're Power Rangers?
>>338531486
>ut they're selling the game to a different group, and still using the name of Halo while making everything as different as they can.
I don't think this is accurate.
Both 4 and 5 at their core still play like halo games. 4 borrows some CoD features, but it still feels and plays like a Halo game. And you could always just turn off load outs and ordinance.
Meanwhile, 5 gets rid of loadouts and ordiance and shit entirely, and just borrows titanfall esque movement, and in the end I'd say it feels even more halo 2 or ce then even 3 or reach did in a lot of ways.
The fact of the matter is that every halo game has played pretty differently to begin with. I'm sure if Halo 2 or 3 came out today, people on /v/ would be whining about how dual wielding or equipment are inherently unhalo.
>>338531850
What do you honestly need to know about the didact or Prometheans in Halo 4 and 5 other then they are forerunner and they want to fuck over humanity?
>You'll never play custom games in 3 with all your buds all night again
>You'll never explore the campaign looking at funny easter eggs, looking for skulls, and trying to get out of the map
>You'll never play with bungie employees and freak out when you see a flaming head or recon
>You'll never get that 50
>>338531486
>Then it ended with Reach. Bungie left, everyone understood that, and people were fine with it.
This is incorrect, people were pissed at both MS and Bungie because 1. Halo 3 was supposed to end the series and 2. they didn't expect to get an overpriced/short expansion and a terrible prequel trying to be a modern shooter. After Reach people were happy Bungie were leaving and were interested to see where 343 would take Halo. Unfortunately no one expected 343 to take the garbage that was Reach and build on it chasing the modern shooter trend more thus making more people leave Halo because no one has still made a traditional Halo game since 2007.
>>338532208
>4 borrows some CoD features, but it still feels and plays like a Halo game
you dont belong here
Fuck 343 for ruining the forerunners, the mystery behind them was one of the best parts about the trilogy, but now we realize they're weird reptilian faggots obsessed with tron
>>338532205
I may have misunderstood what you meant.
By "power ranger spartans", do you mean all the supehero-esque backflips and shit they do in the opneing scene of Halo 5, or S4's in general acting like dudebro teenagers?
If you mean the former, then yeah, reading the books would make it better, because all the shit they did in that cutscene is totally normal for Spartans in the novels, and it's the most accurate the games have ever shown how superhuman they actually are when they want to be.
If you mean the latter, then I agree they are going too far in that direction,. but if you look at how sergeant Johnson or random generic marine's dialog was in the first 3 halo games, S4's aren't THAT much more gung ho or obnoxious then they were, which makes sense since S4's are basically just the better marines given augmentations and armor.
>>338531702
>Halo 5 didn't stomp any lore, 4 did though
I think you mean Reach, m8.
>>338532592
No, it's the armor.
When Bungie left, the art direction went from utilitarian plausible future to crazy anime power rangers future.
>>338532710
>utilitarian plausible future
lol
the spnkr is not utilitarian, you have to carry around multiple 20lbs tubes to reload it
all the vehicles in Halo are not utilitarian, they're rule of cool
like the entirety of the covenant is rule of cool
>>338532604
Reach didn't stomp any either, people just think it did because they never bothered to read the journal.; which is super hypocritical because they are whining about how reach conflicts with an EU book but refuse to read another EU book that explains how the conflicts aren't actually conflicts.
>>338532419
It's true though. The gunplay, movement, level design, etc is still Halo. I'm not saying loadouts or ordiance is good (ordiance is complete garbage, loadouts CAN be fun for shits and giggles once in a while), i'm just saying it's incorrect to say 4 is as unhalo as possible. 4 is a halo game coated in a few layers of CoD spraypaint that you could just turn off in customs.
I'm not defending 4, i'm just saying you should critizie it for what it actually did rather then speaking in hyperbole.
>>338532710
Ah, okay, no argument there.
>>338532925
Still looked more plausible and realistic and better than the shit we have now
>>338532592
>>338532710
The backflips and shit never really bothered me. I've read some of the early books and even with the clunky hyperarmor of the Spartan 2s and 3s, I recall in the books they did some crazy shit that honestly made sense. That's honestly not that bad.
It's the personalities, the dialogue, their motivations, how they progress the story, their armor design, the fiction behind the tech. They are literally teenagers with attitude in anime armor.
>>338532557
I love the idea that they had that Forerunners were humans from the far past.
Why else would we be able to use Forerunner tech, while the covenant can't?
Why else would the portal to the Arc be located on Earth?
Why else would 343 tell Master Chief "You ARE Forerunner!" when he went rampant?
It made perfect sense, and it was never thrown at you, just implied.
>>338532925
and a stinger is 33 pounds, what's your point?
>>338527652
>>338532208
>Both 4 and 5 at their core still play like halo games.
Halo 4 kind of does, but was really losing the finer points of it.
Halo 5 doesn't even come close and basically dropped all the unique aspects of Halo's gameplay to pursue the call of duty audience.
I'm an actual Halo fan, who got the first game on release and clocked over 12,000 hours in Halo 2 multiplayer alone. I bought Halo 4, regretted it. Played Halo 5 with friends, and had no interest in it.
It is not a Halo game. It's a mockery of a Halo game. Like someone cut up the corpse of Halo and is now wearing it as a skin. I won't be buying any future Halo games, as far as I'm concerned the series ended when Bungie stopped developing it.
And even if Bungie were to come back to it - they've been destroyed from within by Activision and are no longer the company they once were, so I have no doubt they'd fail to do anything proper with Halo, especially after 343's buttfucking of the storyline and plot.
>>338532982
Ignoring your journal comment since the thing didn't come with the standard edition of the game so who gives a shit, where does Halo 4 break lore?
Allow me to remind any breakout players of myleastfavorite Spartan AbilitySpartan Charge
>>338533168
Originally Humans were just genetic descendants of Forerunners if I recall correctly.
>>338533569
Originally, all humans were reclaimers, so any old human could activate a Halo. As seen in Spartan Ops, now only certain humans are reclaimers I guess???
>>338533569
Halo 3 Terminals and Iris says otherwise.
>>338533569
Originally nobody knows because a concrete answer to the human forerunner question never left the drawing board and them having a genetic connection was dropped by halo 3.
>>338533098
The armor for spartans is the really the only thing that looks stupid.
They've done a good job remaking the vehicles
>>338533284
In order to reload a spnker you have to take off literally the entire weapon and put another one on the mount instead of putting rockets in a tube
Halo is rule of cool.
>>338533841
The environments are also fucking terrible, and the UNCS, and the covenant, and the forerunners
>>338533709
>>338533778
I'm thinking of what >>338533679 said
I just remember something about how 343 calling MC a forerunner was more of him not knowing any better and going rampant than MC actually being a forerunner. Humans were just designated by Forerunners to be special
>>338532710
When was Halo ever hard sci-fi in any way?
>>338533841
Halo started off with rule of cool, and I want it to stick with that dammit. The new rocket launcher was ugly generic shit.
>>338525001
If Halo 2 had amazing campaign, I'd be looking at a mirror.
>>338534025
Halo 1 through Reach
>>338533964
yeah nah
>>338534025
The humans in Halo are pretty hard sci-fi.
The Covvies and forerunner stuff is fantasy sci-fi.
It's a nice balance, honestly.
>most people watching current halo talking about how halo is dead
>this is somehow better than not watching current halo and talking about how halo is dead
>>338532604
>>338532982
>>338533404
oh, sorry, and when I said 4 stomped some, i meant:
- it retconning the shape and size of Charon class light frigates
- It retconning how smart AI's where made
- It butchering how rampancy works and what the process is like
- It grossly misrepresenting cortana's personality and making john act out of character as well to a degree.
They could have still done the story they did without doing any of the above, so it's not like they HAD to retcon these to do Halo 4's plot, not that halo 4's plot is that great even putting the above aside
>>338533168
Even in Halo 3 forerunners and humans were seperate, one of the terminals makes that clear. spark's dialog was probably meant to be metaphorical.
The main trilogy has plenty of implications that humanity aren't literally the descendants of forerunners, but are merely their heirs.
>>338532557
I agree it sucks the mystery has been ruined a bit, but the actual forerunner novels that do it are so well written i'm half okay with it. I would have wished they would have waited till they were ready to buy the franchise for good to release them though.
>>338533313
I really disagree. I've been playing halo since 2002 myself and read the first novel the moment after I finished CE. 5 to me feels a LOT like Halo 2; more then 3 did actually, just with actually good weapon balance and with movement systems more like titanfall or AW, which is the one area I agree it feels like a departure from Halo.
Which i'm okay with because the movement changes in 5 actually work well, and it still feels like Halo in every other way. It's probably my favorite halo game in terms of gameplay after 2/2A on MCC.
You don't have to like it but I think it's sorta ridilious that people insist X or Y "Isn't Halo" when every halo game made some pretty big changes. 2 added duaL wielidng and hijacking, 3 added equipment, etc. Are those things "not halo"?
>>338534295
>Dude cool lights everywhere
In the campaign you either get
>Tron
>Awful boring UNSC aesthetic
>Ruins
>Nature that leads to Tron
>Covenant Tron
>>338534025
The novels aren't quite strict hard sci fi, but they were always more of a firm sci fi rather then the action movie science fantasy of the games.
The forerunner novels start out even more down in the hard sci fi direction with most of novel 1 being devoted to detailing forerunner society and technlology in a very dense manner before it slowly unravels into post apocalyptic flavored sci fi, then into psychological horror, and by the last book it's full out cosmic horror with unknowable older then the universe eldritch races and people going insane from learning cosmic truths and biblical war of creation tier shit going on
>>338525246
>>338525001
>>338525572
Overall I agree except for CE's campaign, I pretty much agree with >>338525854
It's not bad, but it's aged a hell of a lot more then even 2's and it shows.
Guys, why did the campaign have to be so lackluster? I liked the environments and the settings, but...the story was just so..."meh." And even more "meh" than 4 and that's bad. I really want to like it, but I just can't.
>>338524087
>they even hated on Reach
Right there is where you slipped up, OP.
At launch, Reach was treated with just as much criticism as 4 or 5 are. Only with time have some of the younger Halo 3 babbies actually become nostalgic for it.
I actually hope you do leave this board now.
>>338534789
When I talk about "the campaign," I meant with 5.
>>338534293
No they weren't:
>Space donuts that can destroy the galaxy
>That's not how plasma works
>There is no possible way to drive a Warthog by today standards
>Child soldiers is something that will never happen
>Those Augmentations are impossible
>Ship explosion powerful enough to destroy a planet sized ring
>Slipstream explosions
>The Flood
Where is this hard sci-fi again, the only two Halo games that tried to be realistic were ODST & Reach and they both failed at that because people loved the epic shit from the trilogy.
>>338534864I liked Reach
>>338525001
>3
>amazing campaign
You guys will never be right about this one. Never.
It was the worst campaign until 5 rolled around.
>>338534567
are you trying to tell me the covenant aesthetic isn't metallic purple with lights everywhere
>>338534789
Because 343 really, really ran out of ideas a long time ago.
All they can do now is ride off the back of modern shooters and whatever Bungie left before they left.
>>338534864
I always liked reach and felt people's hate for it was exaggerated. Also, 3 and especially 2 got a bunch of shit at launch as well.
>>338534923
see
>>338534769
>>338535036
It used to be, it hasn't been that aesthetic since like Reach
Halo: CE had the best covenant aesthetic
>>338534923
>>There is no possible way to drive a Warthog by today standards
Seriously. Why does it have six pedals, but only four directions?
>>338524087
fuck 343
>>338535230
Did they get WWE to do the mocap?
>>338535013
>Incredible vehicle combat
>Amazing enemy encounters
>Scarabs
>The Covenant
It's an amazing campaign, Reach on the other hand was shit.
>>338535315
The Covenant and The Ark are 2 of the best missions in any Halo game
>>338535315
>TWO SCARABS
Best fucking part of that campaign.
I would say every campaign of Halo, aside from 5, was good, though.
>>338534769
>>338534320
I agree, it kind of reminds me of Metroid when I ignore the Prime series and look more at the main series. Humans are somewhat hard sci-fi like Halo but when you go into the Space Pirates, and Chozo it becomes sci-fantasy.
>>338534963
>I liked Reach
Yeah I liked Reach too but only because I'm not an overly critical contrarians fag who criticizes every entry at launch. And yes, EVERY ENTRY has been criticized heavily by the core fanbase at launch and if you don't remember that then it's very easy to do some digging on the subject.
You and me liking Reach doesn't change the fact that for a solid year after launch, Reach was the game that "killed Halo" until people finally started to see the benefits of its forge world and realized that it's campaign really was an improvement from 3, if only a slight one.
Even Halo 4 is the game that finally broke this cycle. It will probably never be seen as better than Reach or 5 overall but even Halo 4 has been less criticized than it used to be. A lot of people state they think the campaign is fine now for instance.
>>338535148
>Halo CE had best covenant aesthetic
My nigga
Halo threads on /v/ are way, way, way, way worse then even that shit comic that 343 made
They are nothing but bitching and whining, with no discussion over actual pros/cons of certain games or people wanting to set up custom lobbies or campaign co-op runs or matchmaking parties, even though literally every single Halo game is playable on xbone right now.
So, in an effort to make this thread a little better, post 1 thing you like and dislike about each Halo game, wars and spartan assault/strike aside
>>338535148
>>338535864
I'd say reach's or H2A's does.
Pic related.
>>338535315
>Reach campaign
>Shit
I'll give you the story since it was shit, but the actual gameplay was fun imo. Multiplayer could have been improved a lot. The segments of Reach are varied enough to be fun.
>Ayy we foot soldiers
>Driving bby
>Dank corridors
>We wuz snipers
>We going to space bby
>Low gravity combat
>More footwork
>Fly around a city as it burns
>Tank still beats everything
>Hold out until the package can be delivered
>Fight for your life
Lots of variety compared to Halo 4
>Ayy push this button lmao
>Ayy on-rails shooter
>AyyQTE boss
Pretty varied and fun. Plus, Marty O'Donnel and Michael Salvitory are blasting great tunes during this
Twitch chat fucking blows dude it's just emoticon spam.
Halo 5 isn't perfect but it's a step in the right direction when we compare it to 4. It's far too sweaty, 4 was too casual and 5 is ultra competitive. But I mean It's okay. 7/10 I guess maybe a 6.
>>338534505
They also retconned how/why the arbiter is chosen
>>338536039
Not that guy but kekked at your description.
They shit all over Fall of Reach though, still mad.
>>338536449
How so?
>>338536484
see
>>338532982
You have no right to whine about how reach conflicts with an EU book if you aren't willing to read another EU universe book that explains how they don't actually conflict
>>338525001
>3
>great campaign or comp multiplayer lol no
>>338528174
I agree with everything except the "strafe-button". If we had a Halo 2 with the weapon balance and the thruster packs it would be a great addition and add a really great layer of gameplay over what we already have. The issue with thrusters is that it's an added movement layer meaning we have 3 instead of the 2 we could, and since aiming and moving are effectively separate because of sprint it feels like nothing more than a free strafe button. If there was no sprint, thrusters could be tweaked so we could still aim while using them and it'd add an interesting dynamic to the existing combat.
>>338535897
Got it, Nye.
>Halo 1
I love the setting. It's really amazing to see such an alien landscape, and when the Flood comes into the picture, things look even better sometimes. However, I dislike the lack of online multiplayer. When even the Dreamcast could have online modes, why couldn't the Xbox?
>Halo 2
I love it's mechanics. It's gameplay is one of the best in the series. It was a great evolution of the original Halo's combat. However, I dislike the final "boss" fight. Halo was never good with person-level boss fights, and while things like Scarabs were good to fight, a Brute who can survive getting shot so many times is bullshit.
>Halo 3
I love the campaign, period. It's amazing, and a great end to the story arc. But I don't like the Drones. Fuck drones. They were even worse in this game than in 2.
>Halo: ODST
I like the story, but I don't like how the Rookie is a fucking mute. Not much to say about it.
>Halo Reach
I love the story, and I think it was a good end to the Halo saga as a whole. But fuck the armor abilities. For every Jetpack, there's an Armor Lock that makes things shit.
>Halo 4
I enjoy the Pelican piloting, it really felt powerful and fun. What I don't like is how they brought the Forerunners back to life. Fuck ruining the mystery.
>Halo 5
I enjoy the Warzone. While it isn't the same as normal Halo multiplayer, it is fun in it's own right. Unfourtunately, I hate the campaign. Fuck only playing as the Chief for three missions, and fuck having Locke and his crew be shoved into our face. Buck is the only good character of the four.
>>338535315
We are talking about HALO 3 here right?
You sure?
>Incredible vehicle combat
Vehicle health being tied to shield health was the worst vehicles related decision Bungie has made in the Halo games. There's a reason it has gone away and not returned since (with the exception of the Mantis for some reason but even that still has its own health bar, it just slightly recharges)
The Hornet also breaks the vehicle sandbox so much so that they had to offer a nerf ed version as an alternative for forge.
>Amazing enemy encounters
Bullshit. Halo 3 has terrible enemy diversity coming off of Halo 2. Brutes are pushovers compared to elites and even on legendary can easily be melted to death if you can get close to them.
And I counted. Halo 3 has FOUR (4) hunter pairs in the entire game. That's pathetic. Some Halo CE levels alone have more hunter pairs than that.
>Scarabs
Probably the most innovative thing in the campaign. But even then the single Halo 2 scarab encounter is more challenging than all 3 in 3.
>The Covenant
Yes, it's great. It's also one level. It doesn't make up for the fact that the rest of the campaign is hyper short and none of the other levels stick out that well. Maybe the Ark is the only other notable one. No, Tsavo Highway isn't anything special. There's also three fucking flood levels.
>It's an amazing campaign, Reach on the other hand was shit.
Reach has its own problems, but the Halo 3 campaign is still regarded by the core community as a huge disappointment.
Not just for the reasons stated above.
The ways it butchers some of the characters. The ways it outright ignores several of the Halo 2 plot threads. The length. The difficulty (seriously, legendary halo 3 is a joke).
The list goes on and on.
>>338524184
First comment once again best comment.
>>338536754
Except Bungie never wanted the books to be made so it makes a lot of sense they would try to retcon them and only worked with 343 and Eric Nylund to try to cover their screw ups with Reach's poor excuse of a story. Just to let you know that journal didn't fix all of Reach's mistakes.
>>338526436
Halo 5 has faster base movement than 3, reach, and 4 you fag.
the sprint speed is also slightly faster than CE (the previous fastest)
>superior to /v/
That's not a very high bar.
You can't talk about vidya here. See Undertale, Klonoa, Pokemon Gale of Darkness or Smash threads.
Half the multiplayer maps were ripped straight from the campaign and the other half are forge world shit
The campaign is supposed to show this big war going on Reach as humanity makes a stand to defend the planet, yet you spend most of the game either alone or accompanied by one or two noble team members.
>>338537115
You mean Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness?
>>338537041
Halo 3 campaign is not amazing by any stretch.
It has the best level in the series. But the rest of the levels drag it down.
And stop trying to reach further than what it gives us. The Ark is not the second best level.
>>338536449
Not really
>arbiters used to be a badge of honor
>then the elite leaders made a pact with the jewish prophets after forcing their hand with their forerunner ship
>an arbiter tries to rebel, gets killed and now arbiters are used as a badge for someone in power who brings shame, making them up to be perfect tools for the prophets
it lines up perfectly fine
you niggers need to read and watch the terminals so you stop saying such stupid shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X871whYZ6M&list=PL6PPeCHuSnRIEx4BN5doTpnhiaug3QUqK&index=11
>>338528105
But perfect kills in 5 are harder due to lower aim assist and magnetism than 3 or 2
>>338537406
2 yes 3 its pretty even.
4 shotting people in 3 is really only hard when the BR spread RNG fucks you.
Now, here's an important question.
ASSAULT RIFLE OR BATTLE RIFLE?
>>338537047
>Vehicle health being tied to shield health was the worst vehicles related decision Bungie has made in the Halo games.
Are you on something son?
>Bullshit.
Brute pack mentality was handed really well in Halo 3 whether you like it or not.
Halo 2 Scarab was basically a Lich and a Kraken
Every level in Halo 3 except for Cortana was good. "Three Flood levels" so what Halo CE had the Flood for half the game and every level the Flood appeared in Halo 2 sucked your point?
>core community
The core community at the time thought Halo 2 campaign was a disappointment, along with ODST and Reach.
>>338537908
Only decent AR in the series is the CE AR, the rest are useless pea shooters that aren't fun to use.
Fight me.
>>338537378
fuck, they just need to have whoever wrote the terminals do the main story
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KInqNZOZSI
They're better than the entirety of cutscenes after Halo 2.
>>338538032
>he doesn't know about the way vehicle health is handled in 3
Then stop posting. It was am abomination and it hasn't returned since.
>>338538072
Post trilogy AR is objectively better than Trilogy AR
You can legit semi snipe people with it and it kills faster
>>338538072
4's is like CE's, but does more damage and is slightly more controllable. Reach's does less damage, but it's way more accurate. I'd say both are better then CE's.
5's, meanwhile, is more powerful then 4's and is more accurate then reach's, it's unquestionable the best AR in the series, pic related
Even without zooming you can hit guys at medium range while bursting
>>338539347
It was handled the same way it was handled in Halo 2 you mentally challenged faggot. Did you start Halo with Reach? How old are you? How could you possibly not know this?
>>338539662
H1's AR wasn't great at killing with bullets, but it had the best melee hitbox and fastest animation.
>>338539662
Another webm showing how controllable the AR is and how even without zooming it's pretty damn accurate.
This was also back in the demo where headshots on shields did bonus damage, which helped reward people who actually tried to be accurate with it.
In the final game spraying and praying is a little too effective in comparsion due to that being removed.
>>338536031
For how much wrong Reach did wrong, it had the best-looking Covenant map in the series.
>>338540207
That's because this map wasn't made by Bungie.
>>338535315
nope nope nope
The Ark and The Covenant were two 10/10 levels in a sea of 5/10s
>>338540348
Zealot wasn't that bad either. 343 designs Covenant stuff to look too organic, when it really never was.
>>338540348
Certain Affinity is made up of many Bungie members who were around for Halo 2. So in a way, yeah it was, sorta, not really.
>>338540207
The anniversary DLC came out like a year and a half after the game launched though.
Reach's base maps were all garbage minus Zealot, and even then Zealots default spawns and default weapon balance is FUCKED.
>>338538072
5's is actually really decent.
>>338540434
yes yes yes
The only campaign in the series where I didn't feel like quitting halfway.
>>338524087
>people on /v/ thinking Halo is good
fucking post 2010 fags, get the fuck off my board
>>338540991
I used to play CE with /v/ in 2008
I've been here since 2006
Get at me faglord.
>>338540756
5's is almost too good.
>>338540476
Covenant stuff always had a insect-like carapace after Halo 3
Halo 5 just expands on that with the models. Like the new spirit and phantom look fucking great.
Wraith is big miss though
So the common opinion about halo 5 is
Campaign is shit
Multiplayer is great
How long until they release firefight update?
>>338541189
I think 5 makes them look too organic. They look cool, but it almost makes them look like flood stuff.
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>>338541189
I like the Wraith, but 5's Covenant maps are way too blobby. There are hardly any flat surfaces anywhere.
>>338541171
I honestly think 5 has the best weapon balancing in the entire series, and I will fucking fight anyone on this. None of the utility weapons are too dominant, and a dude with an AR can actually totally beat a guy with a BR if he plays it right. The SMG is also actually useful for once in the fucking series. Hell, the fucking Storm Rifle can do work, which is insane to me.
>>338540991
>only people who like what i like are allowed to post here
kys
>>338541296
I believe they said around August, but first impressions of Firefight is it's a bit lackluster. Hopefully they add changes
>>338541449
Storm Rifle is surprisingly good, I think it has a faster TTK than an SMG at close range. It's a fun weapon. And while I agree that 5 has the ebst balance, I have not yet found a use for the Promethean AR/pistol equivalents (forgot their names). They just seem completely useless
>>338541449
I think the autos are a bit too powerful for how easy they are to use. It would be better if the SMG/Storm Rifle were tier 2 weapons, and the AR spawned with no extra ammo to discourage using it all game.
And get rid of the DMR.
>>338541296
End of June.
>>338541987
I think the better solution with the AR would be if they reduced the base damage, but added back the headshot bonus on shields that was in the beta, but make it scale with your spread so if you are just holding down the trigger and are are spraying the bonus doesn't triggerr
halo is fucking dead why is this thread not joining it? https://twitter.com/TomRyanOGRE2/status/734195860209205248
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tksLPPPEoSY
>>338542931
>discussing anything halo 5 related
fuck man, halo 3 had it right. if you didn't 4 shot something mid range with a br you'd probably get "out ar'd"
>>338543316
Everything in Halo 3 that didn't kill instantly or wasn't a BR or Mauler was beyond useless.
>>338543316
The AR was shit in 3 though
Past 10 feet you were better off with the BR, closer then 9 feet you were better off with the SMG.
The AR in 5 nails it, it's so close to being perfectly balanced
>>338543641
Pretty much this.
>actual discussion on twitch chat
I dont go there often, but from my understanding dont they just spam their silly meme faces the entire time?
>>338543698
The SMG was better than the AR in every practical situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkQ5sPQZUbw
>halo 5 is bad
>halo is call of duty
t. Rank 5/Private/Warrant Officer/Bronze 1 point or lower KD Shitters
Nobody gives a fuck what you're saying.
>>338525001
>Halo5: wtf are you doing tier
People knock the campaign for only having MC and the rest of blue team only star in 3 levels, yet the entire campign itself is literally 4 hours long.
>>338544001
That's what I was saying, there's basically only a single foot of range where the AR was the best gun to use in 3
>Past 10 feet you were better off with the BR, closer then 9 feet you were better off with the SMG.
>>338543641
no, git gud lol
>>338543698
>the ar was shit in 3
shoot a bit...melee...wow that was hard
>>338544465
You can shoot a bit and melee with literally any gun, and still be more effective than the AR.
>>338544001
except you spawned with the ar why the fuck should it be so powerful?? have you even played quake 3. the MG is absolute garb
>>338544589
>quake is halo
>>338544560
I bet you thought the smgs were underpowered in h2 when you spawned with em you scrub
it's your fault you get too far or too close with them when fighting a br user, literally git gud
>>338544673
I bet you think the mg needs to be as strong as the lg..so bad dude
I REMEMBER WHEN ARENA SHOOTERS HAD SPRINT TOO BRO
>>338544923
>halo is an arena shooter
>>338544724
>I bet you thought the smgs were underpowered in h2
They were.
Halo 2's weapon spawn system was retarded, and wouldn't start the respawn timer until the weapon was dropped or despawned. So if one team got all the BRs on a map, you literally couldn't do anything to stop them.
>>338544982
then what is it?
>>338544982
>implying it isn't
It plays more like UT then any other game. The map design, gunplay, movement, etc is all very arena FPS
>>338527510
new writer for the lore is a fucking old-ass feminist britbong
>>338524087
Why do you cry about shilling and start a fucking Halo 5 thread? Well played shill.
>>338545124
why the fuck should smgs be as strong as a br( when it's a pickup) ? you can literally dual wield them too. even with recoil they're pretty easy to use. you shouldn't just charge a br user from far and expect to kill them. this isn't fucking cod
>>338545241
wrong
>>338545134
A shooter with a focus on teamplay over 1v1s, and a 2-weapon inventory limit.
>>338545228
Slow movement and a weapon limit are like UT?
>>338545308
>why the fuck should smgs be as strong as a br( when it's a pickup) ?
Why even bother spawning with a gun if you can't kill anything with it?
>you shouldn't just charge a br user from far and expect to kill them. this isn't fucking cod
You shouldn't expect to kill anything in Halo 2 when you don't have a BR or power weapon.
>>338544982
It is. Its balanced way differently than Quake though. Its balanced around moderate paced 4v4 and Quake is balanced around fast 1v1. They really aren't comparable so i don't even know why he brought it up. The Quake MG =/= the BR.
halo's competitive gameplay is balanced around having an usable off spawn utility weapon and power weapons, its why AR starts are so bad (Halo 5 excepted). Having a weak spawn weapon that can't even be used to teamshoot effectively is a recipe for shitty lopsided 50-0 games where map control is impossible to break. Halo simply flows better at a high level this way whereas Quake can get away with having you be weak off spawn because of how its balanced. So they are same genre games but don't play very similarly at all.
>>338545694
>Why even bother spawning with a gun if you can't kill anything with it?
because halo isn't cod or cs bro. it's literally why halo is dying/is dead and has been dead since 2010
>>338533540
i was expecting you to say drop shield
>>338545873
Halo has always spawned you with a worthwhile gun in the good gametypes.
>>338545873
you always spawn with a decent gun in Halo unless you were playing garbage AR starts gametype in Halo 3 if it somehow wasn't vetoed or god have mercy SMG starts in 2
>>338545694
>Slow movement and a weapon limit are like UT?
UT 4's MP had a weapon limit from what I remember.
Also, Halo's movement isn't actually slow, it's just the environments are realistically scaled. you walk at like 20 mph and run at 36
I think it's bullshit to go with 1 specific qualifier and say that defines it. it's a combination of features. The gunplay being a certain way with a good amount of nonh histcan guns, the lack of loadouts, with weapons and power ups on maps, the gunplay, map design, and movement being a certain way, focus on map control etc. You can add the lack of a weapon limit to it, sure, but my point is Halo matches the vast majority of of those qualifiers.
>>338546185
>>338545996
>>338545873
>>338545694
Halo's weapon balance has always been mostly shit till 5. 5's is good, CE and reach's are meh, every other halo game's balance is utter garbage.
