Is Sonic the most powerful character in Smash, lorewise?
Who would win: Mario with a Super Star or Super Sonic?
>>338514767
There is Kirby and Bayo, not to mention that Palutena is a goddess.
Wouldn't the strongest be Shulk, or at least the Monado?
>>338514767
kirbyinfinitepower.jpeg
>>338515043
Super Sonic has killed gods.
>>338515063
The Monado's weakness is the wielder.
>>338515043
>Kirby
It's probably Kirby, yeah. Palutena isn't that strong for a goddess, though, and I'm not really familiar with Bayonetta.
>>338515237
What does it say in the original Japanese text?
Could just be a hyperbole
>>338515205
Dude, even Ike has killed a god.
>>338515205
Even Mario has killed eldritch gods.
>>338515205
Pit destroyed Hades' body and can kill Palutena
Wouldn't Metaknight be the strongest, since Kirby is just a younger member of his race?
Also, let's flip this, who's the weakest character on the cast? Olimar?
>>338514767
Super sonic > Bayonetta > Kirby
I don't know where muh nado fits in because I didn't play that game, but those three would be in that order
>>338515529
Duck Hunt Dog
Olimar killed beings far bigger than him
>>338515529
Yeah but even as an infant Kirby defeats Metaknight on a regular basis
>>338515568
Wasn't Kirby like super broken lorewise?
>>338515568
What's Bayo's weakness? Sonic needs rings to maintain super form but he's literally unstoppable in it, and can use the absolute horseshit that is chaos control freely.
>>338515678Metaknight lets him win, its all part of his training. Why do you think he throws you a sword?
>>338515723
She's a glass cannon
>>338514767
Ike and Roy would probably be the strongest Fire Emblem characters.
Mario and Luigi are going to get undersold but are probably really good w/ power-ups
Cloud with Ultima Weapon and good Materia would absolutely wreck shit, up there with Pit imo.
And Meta Knight MIGHT be better than Kirby. Kirby only defeats Meta Knight by breaking his mask, remember that.
And that's all the autism I've got.
>>338514767
Sonic with rock music blazing in the background is strongest otherwise is the pink handball followed by red anime swordsman
>>338515723
Fatal wounds, she's human. Her strength doesn't really make sense considering she's a fairly typical witch who summons demons to do her heavy lifting, and somehow managed to kill the creator of the universe with no special powerups or anything
![latest[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/nCHIpon.png "latest[1].png")
>>338514767
>Mario
Has killed planets, suns and Gods. On good days can breathe underwater indefinitely and in the vacuum of space.
>Luigi
See Mario
>Kirby
Regularly kills ancient gods/stars/planets. Can crack a planet in half with a single Punch.
>Ganondorf
Unkilliable under most conditions. Only holy weapons can kill him, and even that's not without a margin of error. Can control the minds of other beings.
>Rosalina
Literal space Goddess.
>Palutena
Literal Goddess.
>Wario
Immortal. Cannot be killed, only affected. Can digest most forms of matter and energy. Herculean strength. Infinite lung capacity.
>Bayonetta
Kills Gods. Stays Stylish. Dante levels of plot armor.
>Ness
Has killed the very concept of evil itself.
There are others but those are probably the biggest examples.
>>338515680
Gamewise, Kirby is capable of cracking planets with a punch and his fight with Nightmare destroyed 1/4 of the moon. In the anime he physically threw a guy into the sun. That's game and anime, though. In the lore, Kirby is stated to have infinite power.
I think Bayonetta is on that level, too, not including the infinitepower.jpg. She did punch someone throw multiple planets and into the sun as well, didn't she?
I don't recall Super Sonic doing anything on that level save teleporting the ARK, and he had help from Shadow.
>>338515837
It's hardly training if you're letting someone win
>Name: Shulk
>Origin: Xenoblade
>Gender: Male
>Classification: Hom, God
>Age: 18 years old
>Powers and Abilities: Super strength, speed, durability, agility, stamina, immortality, flight, pre-cognition, healing
>Weaknesses: None notable
>Destructive Capacity: At least universe level+ (Comparable to Zanza)
>Range: Universal
>Speed: MFTL+ (Flew from the moon to Mars in seconds)
>Durability: At least universe level+ (Took blows from Zanza)
>Lifting Strength: Unknown
>Striking Strength: Unknown
>Stamina: Likely limitless
>Standard Equipment: The Monado
>Intelligence: High
http://www.outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/8-character-profiles/3056-shulk
>>338515237
Reminder that the game was translated along with the development so pretty much most of the text is near literal.
>>338516115
Roy's weak as fuck though. Just because he has a nice sword doesn't mean other characters don't have shit like the fucking master sword.
>>338516432
>Weaknesses: None notable
Jesus christ he's like an edgy deviantart OC
>>338516578
He's actually somewhat of a dork in game
>>338515371
I don't know, but in English it comes up twice.
>>338514959
Super Star lasts like 7 or 8 seconds. Super Sonic is required to last at least 50 seconds.
>>338514767
Super Sonic got fucking cancelled by Eggman in Sonic Unleashed's opening.
>>338516672
Rekt
>>338516671
How the hell can something be "near infinite?"
>>338514767
Where is the red emerald ?
Mr. Game & Watch
>>338516735
Eggman is on a tier of his own
>>338514767
Shulk with the Monado III, all arts at max level, all monado arts, all skills, the best skill links, lancelot armor, glory gauntlets, perfect Unbeatable VI and Debuff Resist VI gems at max tension with Fiora and Dunban in a chain attack with max affinity is unstoppable
>>338516735
Eggman is Batman dialled up to 11, he had a very specific trap set up and was relying on Sonic not just killing him.
If Sonic just went all out he'd be fucked.
Kirby killed Buu
>>338514767
Super Sonic is only a planet buster
http://www.outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/fictions/1202-character-profile-sonic-the-hedgehog
>>338515837
This would be a nice idea if it weren't for that fact Kirby beats characters who shit on Metaknight all the time
Regular Knuckles punched the chaos emeralds out of Super Sonic in Sonic 3 so he's a fucking pussy
>>338514767
Who the fuck cares? Sit your autistic ass down
Kirby is established to straight up have infinite power in Robobot
Dunno why people are arguing this now, I mean even before Robobot it was agreed Kirby was league above everyone else aside from maybe Bayonetta and Shulk
Sonic is only at this level if he has the chaos emeralds, and a ring count high enough to win a fight.
Other than that, he's very, very killable. Even in the best case scenario, if you can wait him out long enough, he loses his ability to fly, breathe in any inhospitable atmosphere, invulnerability, and do damage on contact. Plus, he has no rings meaning any touch of damage finishes him.
>>338517871
Hyper Sonic can breathe underwater
>>338514767
What the fuck is so strong about super sonic?
It's basically sonic except he can fly and not get as hurt as usual.
>>338518052
Read the post again, stupid.
>>338517310
When has Super Sonic even gone as high as planet busting?
All I remember him actually doing is teleporting ARK, breaking those battleships Metal Overlord throws, and other non planetary stuff. He can't be hurt, yeah, but his offense really doesn't seem that high.
>>338518134
He has all the power of the Chaos Emeralds at his disposal.
Using only a few Chaos Emeralds you can blow the fucking moon away.
The only reason he doesn't blow planets away is because he's trying to protect them.
>>338516827
You can't quantify infinite. Thus you can't know what is truly infinite. You can only estimate it thus "near infinite"
>>338518336
>Using only a few Chaos Emeralds you can blow the fucking moon away.
Yeah if you have Robotnik levels of technology.
Just cause he looks like a Super Saiyan doesn't mean he can fight like one.
>>338516672
Sonic needs 7 Emeralds+50 Rings.
So let Mario have 7 Superstars at bare minimum.
>>338518336
Half the moon, and Eggman had like 6 out of 7 at the time IIRC. At least he did by the time Sonic actually got there. Plus that's the ARK, and apparently the only way it could destroy the planet was by fucking ramming it even with all 7 emeralds.
That reminds me, didn't Eggman break the planet apart (without destroying it) in Sonic Unleashed? Did he have all 7 for that?
What about Sonic equipped with 7 super emeralds, 7 sol emeralds, 6 chaos rings, 999 rings, the entire Wisp race inside him, five super Flickies at his side, a lightning shield that attracts rings in the environment, all his friends cheering at the background and Live and Learn as the BGM?
Can someone defeat him?
>>338519238
>That reminds me, didn't Eggman break the planet apart (without destroying it) in Sonic Unleashed? Did he have all 7 for that?
Yes, because he sucked them all out of Super Sonic.
>>338519731
Mr Satan
>>338518589
Exactly, and he consumes all of those things at once. Doesn't translate to Mario consuming a superstar every time it runs out.
>>338518587
>Yeah if you have Robotnik levels of technology.
Sonic is literally stronger than any piece of technology Eggman has ever created.
>>338517719
The final boss in Robobot warps reality and shit, Kirby seems pretty fucking stronk after dealing with that
What about Robin? He/she can never be killed unless they do it themselves.
>>338520203
DELETE THIS
>>338520203
>>338514767
Bayonetta would beat sonic. Her only weakness is big black demon cock, and sonic's little hedgehog dick can't compete.
>>338520415
>inb4 autistic outrage/wall of text explaining his headcanon in which Sonic is the strongest being in the universe and the sexiest hedgehog and how many times he has cum to him.
>>338520317
>Kirby's A button attack during the final battle is named "Planet Buster"
>>338515529
>Also, let's flip this, who's the weakest character on the cast?
>applying Abrahamic God power level to Japanese perception of gods.
Literal retards ITT.
>>338516735
You're forgetting that Knuckles knocked the Super right out of that motherfucker as well
>>338516357
He's still fighting, just not 100%
>>338514767
Sonic's only hot shit if he has the chaos emeralds. Without them he's just a watered-down Flash.
>>338521196
Also, whoever that can use the Master Emerald can nullify chaos emeralds' power.
>People forgetting about the walking tank that can shoot black holes out of her gun and run at mach 8
>>338520398
kek
>Thread about lore
>People still bring up gameplay mechanics as if it counts for lore
>>338521254
>sonic was holding back in a deathtrap against his worst enemy
How many times do you ejaculate to Sonic on a daily basis?
>>338521196
explain this then, faggot
>Link touches the triforce
>I want X dead
woah so hard.
>>338521860
>Link touches the triforce
>HUUH HYAA HYUURP
>mfw this nigger grabbed me as super sonic
i could feel the dunk irl as well
>>338521860
Oh that's bullshit, anyone within arms reach of the triforce could do that
>>338521717
as in he didn't see it coming, same with the knuckles shit. also nice 17s.
>>338521648
>black holes
If it doesn't suck light it's not a real black hole.
It's a glorified vortex.
That said Samus is still pretty powerful
>>338515237
>Sakurai says Kirby is best
Wow, big surprise.
>>338521717
The reason that he fell in the death trap was that he was holding back
>>338521818
I don't know what you're trying to convey, but I was referring to the start of Sonic 3 when Knuckles uppercuts the Chaos Emeralds out of Super Sonic, rendering him regular Sonic. If Knuckles can do that then what's to stop any Smash Bros. character from doing the same?
>>338522018
>if he can reach the Sacred Realm*
>>338522020
>surprise attacks don't count in a deathmatch
>>338521648
Samus is really strong, but she can't exactly crack a planet with a punch.
>>338522143
I was refering to how knuckles did that, yet in this scene, sonic kicks his ass with no problems, emeralds or not
>>338522143
Knuckles had the Master Emerald on him, dipshit.
>>338522143
Knuckles is the guardian of the master emerald, so he's probably the only person who could slap the super out of someone like that
I feel really autistic right now
>>338522174
>if he can reach the Sacred Realm*
You can walk right in there if the door's unlocked.
>>338522107
Sakurai hasn't had a hand in Kirby games since around Air Ride
>>338522107
I'm not 100% certain Sakurai was involved in Planet Robobot.
Besides, with all his Kid Icarus wanking you'd think literal gods would be more powerful. Nobody in that series is as big a threat as Kirby.
>>338522319
Wasn't that already stolen before Sonic 3 began?
Angel Islands already in the water afterall
>>338522675
Because Death Egg's weight.
>>338522473
>if the door is unlocked
>>338514767
Shulk EZ
>>338516432
All this alleged power and a single bullet nearly killed him at he end of his own game.
>>338522869
Right, so anyone fighting Link just does what Ganondorf did.
If anything, you're admitting that Sonic is the strongest character because in a footrace he would reach the Triforce first.
>>338523159
Shulk only had all that power in the 3 minutes between fighting the final boss and then voluntarily giving it all up to create a world with no gods.
>>338523181
Sonic does not have the knowledge nor the means to reach the Triforce.
>>338523368
>>338514767
Knuckles is the strongest cause he can make super sonic become normal sonic with a single punch
I mean Tabuu was able to take out everyone in one attack, and he was about to do it again too until Sanic came along and broke his wings.
>>338522107
>>338522645
Sakurai wasn't involved at all, his last Kirby game was Air Ride and since then his only interaction was over seeing progress of Amazing Mirror & Smash Bros stuff. Kumazaki has been working on the series lately.
>>338523368
>nor the means to reach the Triforce.
It's okay to admit that you've never played Ocarina of Time and that you're incapable of reading. If Link can reach the Triforce, which only requires a door to be unlocked, the door is wide open and anyone else can waltz right in.
The only way your scenario works is if God implants the name of Link's opponent into his head and Link wishes his opponent dead before they even meet.
>>338522264
Sonic beat him in a straight fight but OP was saying Super Sonic is the strongest Smash character, which he isn't because he can be beaten by a random surprise attack, as the beginning of Sonic 3 shows
>>338522319
The idea that the Master Emerald disables Chaos Emeralds wasn't even concieved until Sonic Adventure, meaning Knuckles just smacked the Chaos Emeralds out of Super Sonic in Sonic 3, meaning Super Sonic is a chump that is susceptible to surpise attacks..
>>338523945
>The idea that the Master Emerald disables Chaos Emeralds wasn't even concieved until Sonic Adventure
Get me a quote from the developer who said that.
>>338523489
DELETE THIS
Shouldn't it be Kirby? The guy is death incarnate. He can move faster than lightspeed with his warp star. He's fought planet sized monsters and is magic resistant.
I'm honestly not sure what anyone could do to put him down seeing as the little monster would eat you before you had a chance to do anything.
>>338524228
Yeah, we went over it, he has infinite power. >>338515237
>>338524064
How about you show me the part in Sonic 3 where there's any indication that the Master Emerald disables the Chaos Emeralds.
>>338524228
>the little monster would eat you before you had a chance to do anything.
Inhaling is the weakest of his powers -- he can barely inhale anything larger than himself and you could easily just come up behind him.
Kirby>Shulk>Bayonetta>Palutena
>>338524542
Alien Flamenco > Guillotine Gorilla > Everyone else
>>338514767
No.
Shulk > Bayonetta > Kirby > Pit/Pittoo + Palutena > Sonic
>Smash lore
Aren't they just trophies in the end?
>>338514767
Sonichu?
>>338524475
That's not necessary. The canon power of the master emerald is that it fucks with the chaos emeralds, so it is on you to show that that power didn't exist back in Sonic 3.
A plot does not need to spell everything out for you unless you're autistic.
>>338516215
>>338524542
Palutena could get killed by Pit
She's pathetic for her pantheon's standards
>>338516215
>Has killed the very concept of evil itself.
No he hasn't. He and his friends were completely powerless against Giygas, even with everyone in the game praying for them it still wasn't enough, the Player was the one that saved his ass.
>>338524542
Pit is above Palutena.
She is not really a fighter. Most of what she does is leadership, gathering information, and occasional support. Heck, Dyntos made a more powerful copy in Pseudo Palutena and Pit killed it, so it's not really a matter of the Chaos Kin weakening her or something.
>>338525023
It's some faggot's Amiibo collection
>>338525023
Yes, all of smash is just an autistic manchild's daydreams as he plays with his toys.
>>338525164
pit is only using palutena's powers
>>338524740
I don't know, Sawada, Prime Minister Armstrong and Universe Cube were alright.
>>338525268
The only power Palutena gives him is Flight, which he can get from any other God or Goddess, and he's more than capable of kicking her butt on land, as judged by how easy it is to accidentally kill her in the first Chaos Kin fight.
>>338525070
The power didn't exist in Sonic 3.. because it didn't exist in Sonic 3. The people behind the game didn't come up with the concept until Sonic Adventure, meaning when Knuckles punched the emeralds out of Sonic he did it without the Master Emerald neatrulizing power.
>>338525023
I wonder if he imagines all the tier lists too. It would explain why SS tier is made up exclusively of sexy girls.
>>338525268
Just the power of flight, and maybe her ability to revive him. Most of Pit's actual power comes from his weapons, and he's had access to stuff during times when Palutena is unavailable.
Pit is just way more skilled and way better trained, so even if he is just using Palutena's power, he's in a position to make far better use of it than she is.
>Rosalina couldn't even save the lum abominations she birthed from an overgrown frog with a fleet of flying wooden ships
>>338525737
post more palutena
>>338525969
Daily reminder that Bowser survived getting thrown into a star, which turned into a supermassive black hole, that then exploded in a second Big Bang.
It gave him a headache.
If Kirby ate Shulk and obtained the true monado would he be able to recreate the universe?
>>338514767
Kirby>Sonic>Bayo
But bayo could still kill sonic
>>338525576
>The people behind the game didn't come up with the concept until Sonic Adventure
See, you're confusing "they didn't come up with the power until Sonic Adventure" with "they didn't explain the power until Sonic Adventure" which is why you need to provide a developer interview stating as such. Like I said, you must be autistic if you expect a game with as little plot as Sonic 3/Knuckles to spoonfeed you everything. After all, to say something doesn't exist because it is only referred to in the sequel is like saying Lando popped out of the ether in Star Wars once the events of the second movie start occurring.
But even if you are correct, that's just a thing we call a retcon. You may never have heard of the term before, but it means that while the cutscene was originally supposed to be Knuckles suckerpunching the chaos out of Sonic, it is now just an example of the master emerald's powers.
>>338522221
>OFF BY ONE
>>338525576
There are signs that Perfect Chaos was already planned in Sonic 3. It's not farfetched to think that Sonic Team thought stuff that far ahead.
>>338524542
>>338524740
>>338525394
Season 2 Never Ever
>>338526569
>There are signs that Perfect Chaos was already planned in Sonic 3
>>338525576
It probably was thought up later in SA, because the Sonic Team realised how dumb it would be if some guy just uppercutted super sonic out of his super form, with no other power aside from his fists.
>>338526853
Good, it doesn't need one.
>>338526853
>you will never experience that ride again
>>338526987
What show?
>>338527246
try googling text you see appear in the image
If you don't think it's Captain Falcon, then you're fucking stupid
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=esY2zdIsKaI
>>338526551
Nothing you say changes that it seems as though the developers intent when making Sonic 3 was that the Super can be knocked out of Sonic. You say "they just didn't explain it" but that's irrelevant. Super Mario could be green fucking dinosaur for all we know and Nintendo just "haven't explained it".
>>338526930
This is an extract from a translation of Sonic 3's japanese manual. Notice the mention of a dragon:
"Knuckle wandered outside the alter in a daze. Then, with no energy left, he looked out over a distance…and noticed the appearance of something mysterious next to a lake. Looking at this huge, round, egg-like object, he felt himself jump. "Does that huge egg belong to the legendary dragon..?" There was no doubt that this egg was the one that appeared in the writings on the altars of the Chaos Emeralds, the one that was to bring catastrophe to the island. "
Also, in Sonic 2's japanese manual, it's said that West Side Island was a bigger island that was destroyed by the gods because people used the emeralds for selfish reasons.
Even more, there is a strange creature that appears in Sonic 3's concept art fighting with Super Sonic: http://imgur.com/a/RfsY0
>>338515205
so would Super Sonic with the Monado be super strong?
>>338526930
Some of the platforms in Lava Reef Zone have a horned face on them, and the mural in the background of the Knuckles fight (which is obviously a reference to The Doomsday Zone). That's literally it, it has nothing to do with Perfect Chaos.
>>338527401
>this meme again
The clip is out of context. Captain Falcon punched Black Shadow into the doomsday device, it's not actually his power that you're seeing. Not to mention Falcon fucking died too.
>>338514767
Just a reminder that Bayonetta killed both Jubileus and Aesir.
>>338523945
Maybe Super Sanic ran out of rings right as Knuckles punched him in the fucking face.
>>338527767
>seems as though the developers intent when making Sonic 3 was that the Super can be knocked out of Sonic.
Given that it's called the Master emerald and that Super Sonic is later takes much stronger blows without flinching, you are making far too many assumptions. But that is irrelevant given your argument here:
>Super Mario could be green fucking dinosaur for all we know and Nintendo just "haven't explained it".
Because you clearly don't understand or deliberately ignored the rest of my post. If Nintendo released a new Mario game explaining that Mario was a green dinosaur all along, then we would have to accept that canonically, in all of the older games, Mario was a green dinosaur and keep that in mind when interpreting any unexplained elements of the plot of those games.
With this new knowledge of the capabilities of the master emerald, it is now stupid to assume that you can just punch Sonic out of invulnerability when a) he takes much more abuse without getting knocked out of it, b) the only person shown to have done that has the power to cancel the emeralds, and c) if Knuckles has the power to cancel the emeralds it wouldn't make sense for him to _not_ use it.
>>338528695
Yeah, you're right.
Super Sonic can be crushed though. So he would lose to Bayonetta when she uses that giant demon heel stomp thing. So not the strongest smash character.
>>338527840
Maybe that "egg" was simply Eggman. He did after all, bring catastrophe to Angel Island.
No, Wario is the most powerful character, because according to II and 3 lore, he is a shape-shifting immortal being of omnipotent faculty.
>>338529505
That part was just speaking of the Death Egg falling on Angel Island and Knuckles thinking it was an egg from the legendary dragon, but the post in question was specifying the mention of a dragon.
>>338521648
Here we go guys, Metroid fans about to drop their imaginative gravity on us.
>>338523840
But you need to open the damn door you imbred (3 spiritual stones, song of time, ocarina of time).
And Sonic does not know that the triforce exists therefore he can't get there before Link, are you fucking autistic?
>>338515927
Ike maybe but Robin would be far stronger than Roy and Lucina could almost certainly take him down. I'd rate either of them against Ike too.
Corrin is a little harder to place
>>338522221
Has Samus every really destroyed a planet with her own power because I sure as hell don't remember her ever in the entire series being that powerful. Women can't even survive the explosion of the Space Colony Ceres.
>>338529798
>post is over an hour and a half old and has already been responded to
>no one brought up the gravity bullshit but you
For what purpose?
>>338526987
>implying samflam wasn't the greatest ride /a/ has ever seen
>>338523489
The fuck is that shit
>>338530431
Cause someone will slip it in somehow plus I'm wasn't feeling too well to respond to the comment earlier better now, been sick for a week.
Bayo since she's the female Dante, whom is the strongest video game character and could defeat anyone including Asuka and Uchiha Madara
>powerlevel thread
Why not just ask "who is your favorite character"?
>so powerful he managed to will himself into reality
Bow down to the robot
>>338530559
Sonic Lost World's Zelda DLC. There is also Yoshi Island DLC.
>>338530415
Not unless you count the fact that killing Dark Samus destroyed Phaaze because she fused with the planet's core for some reason. I think she also directly caused Dark Aether to collapse by absorbing the light that was supporting, but that's still not really her own power.
So no, Samus isn't really close to a planet buster. The manga has Ridley around, what, mountain busting level? Samus did shrug that off, but otherwise yeah she's not at the level of things like Kirby.
>>338528609
Only with with the help of her daddy and Jeanne
:^)
>>338528609
She didn't, don't give her credit.
>Yoshi's Island Zone
>Yoshi's Story
>>338531357
This is the correct answer.
>>338516432
Why do so many people think that he's all that.
Just because he got a wish granted.
Yeah he beat Zanza, but he wasn't alone.
And Zanza isn't that strong.
>>338531473
Thank you, because I do get tired of Metroid fans dropping that out there as though it's true.
>>338531357
>Turn off console
>R.O.B. is still alive
Soon as he learns how to turn it off he'll truly be the strongest in the smash universe.
>>338514959
Unless Mario has an ability that can override Super Sonic's super state, Super Sonic wins.
>>338532076
What about the stars' power that would nullify Bowser's invincibility barrier magic at the end of Paper Mario?...oh wait, Paper Mario is a different character.
>>338516432
Shulk needs his friends and he doesn't even have the monado at the end of the game. He's not a god.
>>338532076
The Pure Hearts from Super Paper Mario can turn off the invincibility of a shield built to survive the destruction of the multiverse, up to and including the afterlife.
Though >>338532204 is right since I guess that is a different character from regular Mario.
>>338532204
Their power is only able to override the star rod and its invincibility.
They cannot override Sonic's super form as his power doesn't come from the 7 stars.
Batman with prep time beats every Smash character. Prove me wrong.
>>338532693But is that going to stop Alvin-Earthworm from allowing it eventually?
>>338532703
Batman isn't in Smash.
to /co/ with you.
>>338532872Probably not but why would you care about something fanon?
>>338533057Just wanted to mention it. Let's just get back on-topic.
>>338532872No because the second episode is never coming out.
>>338526059
>>338526059
>>338525737
I love Palutena's nerd-glasses.
>>338524542
>Palutena
Palutena has less Health than the second boss in Kid Icarus Uprising who was a mortal. The challenge with her was trying to NOT kill her. She isn't even a quarter as strong as Pit
Shulk is weak alone, he is actually more of a support character in Xenoblade. Dunban and Melia are stronger than him even if he has Monado III
Does Corn kill goddesses?
>>338514767
Nope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13jo37Wv7sQ
before you say it, this was from a Sakurai game.
>>338535697
5:30 by the way
>>338516578
Shulk is a fucking nerd. Play the game you faggot
>>338523309
He can literally fuck anyone up in those 3 minutes
So if Kirby and Bayonetta are the strongest characters, how powerful would Kirby be if he absorbed all of Bayo's powers?
>>338531707
>Zanza isn't that strong
>Created the universe
>Destroyed Mechonis and got Meyneths Monado
>The only way to kill is to become a divine entity like him
>>338516357
>Kirby SSU
>Metaknight asks to figh the strongest warrior in the universe
>It's Galacta Knight (Who may or may not be Kirby from the future)
>MK wins
So I think fucking Metaknight is stronger.
You could say Shulk or some shit but it's mostly the Muh-nado and he's only GODLIKE for a very short period on time, he even rejects the "God-hood" at the end.
Sure MK has a sword, but like Kirby, his powers don't come from the weapons.
>>338535006
>Shulk is weak alone, he is actually more of a support character in Xenoblade. Dunban and Melia are stronger than him even if he has Monado III
Read the OP again. A crippled guy and some princess ain't got shit against precognition and all of the Monado arts
>>338537174
It's not the kind of game I would like
>>338537842
That he can see the future doesn't mean he can change it all the time.
Source: When you can't stop an attack in a battle, also, there's a fucking dragon that's strogner than Zanza in that game, and Shulk can't take it on alone, does it mean that the Avalanche Abaasy or whatever can take on all of the Smash cast one by one?
>>338537842
>He can see the future! That means he can prevent it!
Or, let me rephrase that to match you
>I never played the game and missed the entire point!
Shulk is weak alone. That was a major point by the end of Colony 6
>>338537842
Shulk with his monado was able to wound and kill Tellthia by himself and Noskcid with Seven's help in fact, Shulk and Seven are the strongest members of the party
Reminder than even fucking Dedede is stronger than MK because he beat both Sectonia, Galacta Knight, and Dark MK.
Meta Knight couldn't even beat Dark Meta.
Plus the game even says he's "already perfect".
>>338538338
and Dunban was able to kill Mechon without Monado Enchant in cutscenes. That doesn't mean shit
>>338538105
>optional boss means is stronger plot wise
Zanza could erase that Abaasy the way he destroyed Mechonis. Lore wise Zanza is the strongest being
>>338537817
Meta Knight tried to fight Haltmann Works Company and was defeated, remodeled, and programmed to fight Kirby. Kirby defeated not only Mecha Knight, but all of HWC too.
Dark Meta Knight defeated Meta Knight, and Kirby defeated Dark Meta Knight. Amazing Mirror.
In Super Star Meta Knight was actually serious about taking over Dreamland to end its lazy lifestyle, and Kirby defeated him there.
Not to mention Kirby has beaten Galacta Knight, too, in Return to Dreamland.
Kirby is clearly the stronger of the two.
>>338538672
>Dunban was able to kill Mechon without Monado Enchant in cutscenes
He would get stomped by Metal Face if he hadn't Monado Enchant though.Let's not forget that the weapon Dunban used was made by machina
>it's a Power Level episode
Posting the definitive answer
>>338537817
>>338539013
See this too
>>338538423
>>338537631
Din't Alvis create the universe?
And he used Bionis'body to destroy Mechonis, he doesn't do that in the fight against Shulk.
I don't know about that becoming a divine entity thing.
>>338539013
>Not to mention Kirby has beaten Galacta Knight, too, in Return to Dreamland.He has twice due to Robobot bringing him back.
I main ike so I'll say him, I don't really know much about every character but I like him so anyone who disagrees with me is wrong, now fuck off.
>ITT: people who arenmt Kirby fans claim that their character is more powerful than Kirby
Lmaoing @ ur lives
>>338539572
Lore wise, not playable wise
>>338514767
I'm going to say Yes.
I mean other characters have killed gods too, but Sonic practically does it for a Living, what with Chaos, Iblis, Time Eater, Dark Gaia,
Apparently he runs fast enough to Time Travel, Super Sonic is faster than that blah blah.
I'd say its comparable to how the Flash is the strongest DC hero,
>>338539123
>being this retarded.
Please, do yourself a favor and pick up the Kirby series.
>>338540652
>implying the others don't do it for a living
>>338540652
>I mean other characters have killed gods too, but Sonic practically does it for a Living, what with Chaos, Iblis, Time Eater, Dark Gaia,
So do Kirby and Bayoneta.
>Apparently he runs fast enough to Time Travel, Super Sonic is faster than that blah blah.
To time travel he needs a Time Post or a Chaos Emerald.
Bayonetta can outright stop time itself.
He's still easily top 5 though.
>>338540761
I've played Super Star and Nightmare in Dreamland. They're alright. I think power implies the capacity to use it, however
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>>338515237
>infinite power
>>338516671
>ok, actually, nearly infinite
>uuhhh ok just really very powerful
>I mean... powerful
>well, kinda powerful...
>he's decent I guess
>ok, he's just a small pink ball with feet and "arms", who can swallow stuff
this shit is sounding like pokédex entries
>>338541152
Not actually him; but neither of those games properly show off his power at all.
In Triple Deluxe he can practically inhale anything and eats an entire fuck-me beam to kill the final boss.Then in Robobot he fucking GIGA DRILLs the final boss to death with his mech.
>>338541025
From what I've played Kirby needs a significant amount of assistance to kill anything as well.
Either some super fruit, some star rod, a magic star that can fly, some ship that will kill the boss for him.
I've played all the kirby games and they ususally end with something like that.
I don't really know enough about Bayonetta to make any argument there. But the bullshit of being fast enough to move in stopped tiime comes up a lot.
>>338541623
Sonic almost always needs the chaos emeralds when it comes to giant bosses, and Kirby could easily kick Eggman's ass without some kind of special weapon.
>>338541298
Kirby is also an extremely skilled technician, has extremely good reflexes, and can adapt to almost any environment.
And all this shit can be proved in gameplay.
>>338541536
>Then in Robobot
Sounds fucking radical
>>338541940
Man, have you even play a Sonic game? He normally beats like 7 giant robots on his own, and then Eggman is like "whoa fuck I need to go to space or somewhere equally volatile" and then Sanic goes super saiyan so he can fly and also not instantly die.
>>338541298
>One, two, three, uh, FIFTY
More like eighty.
But yeah, Kirby pause screens are basically Pokedex entries. They tend to be pretty great, though.
>>338540120
But I like ike so he's better, duh. This is a "what"s your favorite character thread" did you not read the OP?
>>338516171
Fatal wounds are fine she uses witch time magic to dodge. Her weakness would be someone going 2fast or putting in her in an absolutely impossible situation. So that basically means sanic, or orbital cannon (eggman?)
Im a fucking kirby fan and I know he does amazing shit like in the ending of robobot pulling a giga drill breaker but
>8 inches tall
>>338542401
I have, and the most recent Sonic games don't have Sonic go super to fight Eggman aside from Generations.
Plus Kirby and breathe in space AND underwater, which Sonic can only do when Super.
>>338542997
>Implying size matters when you can bust planets.
If anything that just makes him stronger ala Antman.
ROB cause he got that nintendium
>>338542595
I legit didn't read your whole post. I'm retarded.
>>338543272
I hear it's what Cap's shield is made out of too.
>DK punched the moon out of orbit
>Little Mac beat DK in a boxing match
Mac is at least small planet buster
>>338519731
>and Live and Learn as the BGM?
I laughed. Some Sonic autist needs to make a full fledged Madara copypasta of him
>>338514767
>Is Sonic the most powerful character in Smash, lorewise?
Smash lore is just everyone as trophies
nobody's powerful than the other outside Master Core and Tabuu
>>338544613
DK was toying with Mac the whole fight so he wasnt at 100%.
It depends on if the comics are canon, and considering that the Smash versions are amalgamations, it's a possibility. If it is, then Sonic is literaly the embodiment of Chaos and will ALWAYS win, even if there's a setback. Able to be on the otherside of the planet within miliseconds when he's truly motivated.
He's "Speedforce" type broken.
>>338514767
>Is sonic the most powerful character in Smash, lorewise
Shulk is a literal god m8
Considering that all the Smash characters couldn't beat Tabuu until Sonic came and was able to actually damage him, yeah he's pretty strong.
>>338514767
Of course not lmao
Can't even out speed robotnik in super sonic mode. He got played like a dumbass at the beginning of Unleashed. Only Archie comics Super Sonic is a universe buster or some shit like that.
>>338545662
>tfw Sonic could beat Tabuu but Ness and Lucas couldn't
Based Sonic blowing Motherfags the fuck out
>>338545503
No, Alvis is. Everything Shulk, Zanza, and Mayneth could do was all derived from his power.
>>338541025
Kirby does not kill Gods for a living
He just wants to eat food, anything in his way gets beaten.
