So according to /vg/ every MMO is dead or dying.
I'm really craving for one lately but there are too many, and too many bad ones; I tried a few and didn't last long.
So.. What MMO are you having fun on right now /v/ ?!
Dfo
>>338472020
I re-installed WoW after 5 years of absence. The game is a bit over-simplified, and I don't know if low level content is broken or if the game is too easy but I two-shot every mob I meet.
Yet, I'm still having fun.
>>338472357
Yeah, ERPing on Moon Guard is lots of fun, too.
>>338472020
The final fantasy one.
Was pretty fun, enjoyable story and main missions.
Actually the only thing I disliked were the 'jobs'.
Crafting shit always tends to be tedious though, at least these guys tried to me it a little game.
>>338472357
I might try that, I remember having so much fun in WoW especially with the outdoors PvP, questing was insane. But I heard everyone just sits in queue and wait for dungeons nowadays. Might still try it again
>>338472502
I've been on FFXIV, but the lag killed it for me. The EU server wasn't even in EU to begin with if I remember correctly and you could count like 2~3secs between the time your attacks hits and the time the enemy actually lose its health. That killed it for me but I remember the Crystal Tower thing being awesome and the classes fun to play..
Thanks for the answers so far !
Vanilla WoW of course.
Kronos 2 best realm confirmed.
>>338472020
warhammer
The Warhammer Online private server is great.
>>338473703
>>338473775
Wow I totally forgot this game existed, I was in college when it came out and it got stomped on everywhere, so much that I never bothered trying it..
But now, why not give it a shot it could be fun !
>>338472835
Oh man that sucks for you, I played on EU and everything went smoothly.
All in all it was a fun experience for me and I would pick it up again if I could, but it's been too long.
>>338472020
Yes
All Meuporgs looks like wow clones with disgusting overdesigned "artstyle"
All of them have retarded stat and damage combat system
All of them have no social experience, playing with people is annoying
All of them are pic rel
Eve online
Been playing it for 9 years. Nice and niche, just the way I like it
>>338472020
Runescape tbqh
Blade and Soul
>>338474075
>not the 'oh boy I can't wait to slam my 10 inch dick in your ass all night' edit
I'm not sure if you can count it as an MMO but I've been playing Phantasy Star Onlineon a private server.I missed a lot of content the first time I played it so I'm enjoying myself
>>338474368
Any chance I could get a link?
>>338474471
Just google Ephinea. It's not true to the original in that it has bonus exp during events and a luck system borrowed from PSU but it reduces the grind so I don't mind. I think all the drops and stats of characters and items are the same, whether or not this is good is debatable since some classes were flat out bad
>>338474368
I played hours of PSO on dreamcast then GC, did a bit of BlueBurst as well; but why don't you come on PSO2 ?
I find it way funnier and it's basically PSO1(&2) updated often and official
WILDSTAR
>>338474656
Thanks, I'll definitely look into it.
PSO1 & 2
>>338474368
The game is really damn fun and the bosses are cool as hell. The story is pretty creepy at first which is a nice touch.
>>338474749
I played a little of PSO2 back when I think there was no English patch. I didn't really enjoy it but not really knowing what was going on might have had something to do with it
>>338472020
Just play Legion in 2 months.
Just surrender to the fact WoW is the last MMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC2nzmN1M-4
>>338475505
Isn't this guy a huge blizzard shill.
>>338475539
It'd be weird for a Blizzard shill to basically shit on missions and followers.
>>338475505
I will, just like everyone else IMO, but 2 months is a big period of time.
>>338475505
lol no
>>338472020
I'm playing WoW: Wrath of the Lich King on a private server. At least this expansion has meaningful content, more than two raids and doesn't treat their players like morons.
>>338475505
>There are people who still aren't tired of WoW
>>338475646
more than you think, it's the (sad?) truth
we all at some point in our lives had a blast playing WoW so don't shit on it now
>>338475505
Fuck, WoW has the art style you'd expect from a dumb, Saturday morning cartoon that gets cancelled after half a season because even kids think it is shit. Why do people like it?
Project Gorgon
life is good
>>338472020
what do you think of an MMOBA- an mmo with two factions where you pick from a LARGE number of classes, you're pretty much playing out a war and a round takes like a month, after which the game is reset?
Black Desert was fun to pick up for a bit. It didn't turn out to by my speed in the end, but I still got a few week's enjoyment out of it. Exploration, trading and crafting is pretty interesting. The only reason I dropped it was because I felt like I ran out of things to see fairly quick. The fact that it's not subscription based was a bonus.
If it looks interesting to you, see if you can get a 7 day free trial key from someone
>>338475775
go to bed, Crowfall dev
B&S
Just fucking play Wildstar, it's good enough.
>>338475737
Maybe because not everyone is a whiny faggot like you who can't look past graphics and therefore missing out on the world's greatest MMO experience ever.
>>338473874
>>338473775
>>338473703
is it any good now?
I played on release and the launch was decent. Level 20-30 was some of the best pvp I've played in any MMO but then once you hit the top level every game was pretty much the same, and there wasn't really much else to do.
They released the keeps and it was pretty much a zergfest that hardly gave rewards iirc.. and other than that there was literally no content
What the fuck was with MMOs being released unfinished back then? Vanguard, AoC, and WAR all had so much potential but were released in like early alpha state...
Tera. The new ninja class just came out
>>338476038
Loved TERA's outdoors PvP, the best imo aside with WoW.
But..
Gunner = FEMALE human only
Reaper = Elin only
Ninja = Elin only
I got bored of trying to tell myself that I wasn't a pedo while playing this game, but it's a fun game for sure, too bad it has those weird restrictions.
>>338475936
>Maybe because not everyone is a whiny faggot like you who can't look past graphics and therefore missing out on the world's greatest MMO experience ever.
I play plenty of older games with simple graphics. Graphics is an issue of poly count, textures, particle effects, etc. The problem that WoW has is art design.
The art design, that is to say, characters, races, armour, weapons, animals, is shit. It's the lowest tier of fantasy aesthetics.
Keep playing your cartoon.
I play EVE online. I gank noobs with imperial navy slicers as they mine or tackle, and then spend 75% of the time mining in a procuerer, waiting for dumb asteros to attack me and then I gank them with my mining ship. Literally more entertaining than the 2 years I played wow, or FFXI or FFXIV. Still not as fun as old SWG though.
>>338475692
>we all at some point in our lives had a blast playing WoW
Speak for yourself. After I got over the skinnerbox leveling, I found myself with almost no motivation, satisfaction, or fun to get past level 40.I played during the burning crusade so maybe leveling was slower back then but I sure as well wasn't ever going to make it to max level
>>338476219
Yeah. The devs realized that the people who spend the most money on the game are elin players buying costumes for their characters. The assholes even disabled appearance change.
>>338475750
Yo I just looked this up, anon.
It looks pretty good. Thanks for the name drop.
>>338472303
Came to post this.
First post best post.
>>338472020
Vanilla WoW
Go to Kronos 2, its been up for a month, pretty nicely scripted and /vg/ got a guild with 300 players in it, about 40 online at all times.
>>338476238
I am Anon don't have to tell me that twice, hue.
>>338476498
is it even fun to play WoW on private server? the world is SO BIG you must barely see any other players while questing etc I don't get how people stay that long.. it was understandable for Nostalrius since it has a crazy amount of people on it, but all the other ones, what.
>>338476638
On a server like Kronos yeah.
Also
>Implying Nostalrius was the only big server
Lordaeron WOTLK has a steady 12,000 people most of the day. 12k is its limit, so yeah.
Then there's their second realm, Icecrown which has about 8000 people because it used to be two realms with about 3500+ players on each side.
>>338476638
Ayy.
If anything its the other way around, you see players questing or ganking every 20 second.
STV is so full you pretty much need to skip it.
>>338476735
>>338476763
Well I did not know that.. Interesting.
![You-Make-Me-So-Happy-Meme-18[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/sYSTj3s.gif "You-Make-Me-So-Happy-Meme-18[1].gif")
ESO. Doing Undaunted pledges until Dark Brotherhood gets released, by then I'm gonna spend all the keys at once.
>>338476794
WoW has become so shit now that more and more people are getting tired of it and moving to expansions with more meaningful content.
Only the biggest Blizzdrones remain, along with retards who don't know any better.
I've played them all. Recently reinstalled swtor to play as a single player rpg but got bored in lvl 30. Played FFXIV in 3.1 but had no guild, so I did everything outside of raiding.
Now I'm in wow again and started leveling a paladin from scratch. I don't know if I'm gonna get bored before lvl 20 or if I'm gonna pay a month. I might give it a chance if I'm able to farm the monthly fee with gold though, so I might use my old cata character.
Probably gonna end up doing nothing, since I bought overwatch, but I'm all in if blizzard decide to bring the legacy/nostalgia servers back.
>>338472020
Playing WoW again, but I'm just running old dungeons and raids for mounts, pets and transmog items. I'm also leveling my Death Knight, because their class quests sound awesome in Legion.
>>338475606
I think the Legion pre-patch will go live in June, so there should be some stuff to keep things interesting. I will be leveling my Gnome Hunter, and doing the pre-Legion event.
Just play old runescape ya fuckin plebs
>>338475737
not everything needs to be brown and grey
>>338477947
runescape is shit tho
So whats next hyped upcoming MMO since Black desert flopped?
>>338478316
that's the problem : NOTHING.
>>338478010
nice bait because nobody can be that retarded
>>338476238
^This.WoW's art design really put me off years ago that is why i didnt give it a shot before.It just looks so bland and uninspired with warhammer aesthetics which i also hate.Well i hate MMOs anyway.Not because of the concept, i actually love the objective of MMOs where you play with alot of people you do quests raids and such but they all have shitty and boring gameplay mechanics and awful to mediocre art design.
>>338474075
the problem is they don't have good gameplay
they have all the bullshit fluff, but it plays like shit
>>338472020
none because they're all shit
not even WoW can hold my interest anymore, all the good private servers are close to dead anyways
>>338478316
Dunno. Maybe someone knows korean and can look up if there are any interesting projects in the works?
![1c00898[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/XlBlUdB.jpg "1c00898[1].jpg")
>>338478507
>>338476238
The main idea behind warcraft from the start was having a super serious edgelord plot that is portrayed with goofy aesthetics
The main reason wc2 and 3 ( and wc1 but to a much lesser extent) still look decent is because of that artstyle with heavily contrasted colors.
And you can't deny that they tried their best to maintain that style for over 20 years.
Hate the gameplay all you want, but the artstyle is what made warcraft age a lot slower then most other mmos.
most mmos that look stunning today will look like shit in a few years.
Because style>graphics
Now if you don't like the style well that's just personal preference
>>338478870
As if korean mmos ever worked for us
>>338478927
Just because the artstyle is iconic doesnt mean its anything close to being good.
>>338476498
>300 players
what the fuck, didn't the horde guild on the first realm have a lot of people already?
>>338474656
I started playing, having fun so far.
>>338472020
Marvel Heroes 2016It's shit.
>>338478961
At least they're trying something and from time to time they make interesting mmos. Western devs just emulate WoW and have zero innovative ideas.
Black Desert would have been a true next-gen mmo if the devs just stayed on the sandbox path instead of doing a 180 and transforming the game into a generic themepark freemium cash cow.
![bored-teen_wifhdo[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2lrgEHt.jpg "bored-teen_wifhdo[1].jpg")
>>338479061
You're confusing your personal preference with fact
>>338475505
>marrowgarr dies in 2 hits
>random moose takes 5-10 hits.
All this time we were never needed to save azeroth from the lich king, Random moose number 4 could have been the hero!
>>338479274
It's just objectively bad, mate.Only nerds with no sense of artistic vision would find WoW's art design appealing.
>>338478316
Chronicles of Elyria
There is also
Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen
Camelot Unchained
Crowfall
Gloria Victis
Albion Online
Worlds Adrift
Project Gorgon
Forsaken Legends
Everquest Next was also cancelled in case you missed it.
>>338472303
shit they released f.slayer 2nd awakening
time to go make my milf
>>338479128
Everyone who played on K1 left for K2, so the K1 guild got like 4 players left now.
It might actually be closer to 400 players in the k2 ally guild atm
>>338473703
I thought they closed the doors on this or are you on a private server?
Why aren't you playing Ultima Online on private servers?
![qa_bored[1].jpg_itok=gL8YDTln.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wPqxaIS.jpg "qa_bored[1].jpg_itok=gL8YDTln.jpg")
>>338479668
>It's just subjectively bad
FTFY
>Only nerds with no sense of artistic vision would find WoW's art design appealing.
From the nerds point of view you're a sperg with no sense for visual design and color theory
Still doesn't make either of you correct
>>338472020
Once in a while I play DCUO. it doesn't have much depth but I love the combat
>>338472020
WoW- Cleared heroic raid with a guild, didn't have the bodies for mythic so everyone quit. Log on occasionally to finish loremaster.
Tera- Nice graphics, Elins. Combat is slow and repetitive, UI is a clusterfuck. They are having an event right now, I'll stop playing it when everyone quits in a month
Tree of Savior- Fun leveling, no endgame. I think I'm having more fun playing with the class build tool than I am actually playing the game.
Mobashit- Intentionally losing games in ranked league of legends to piss off shitters while I wait for Overwatch to release.
Diablo 3 is fine too.
>>338476448
I've played for a few weeks now and loving it. I love the fact that I can literally set out and do anything, and I will probably find something to advance my character, PLUS I will find people. The playerbase doesn't seem huge, but I guess it's really active? I mean, I can log on, sit in some random cave, and some people are gonna show up and likely group with me.
On the surface, when I first installed and saw the character creation, I thought it was gonna be barebones as fuck but there's a lot of items and doodads that are linked together in a lot of ways. It's an alpha but it's very playable and updated constantly.
If I wasn't playing this, I'd probably be playing Asheron's Call 2. A friend got me into it recently and I just love the exploration and the community.
OP here, thanks for all the answers and constructive addings in this thread, got an idea overall of what people are doing and it gave me some ideas too !
Have a great day everyone !
>>338480473
Maybe you shouldnt include your nostalgic feelings when criticising things.
>inb4 le meme comeback
>>338481338
did you reply to the wrong post?
>>338472357
>I don't know if low level content is broken or if the game is too easy but I two-shot every mob I meet.
It doesn't change at higher levels. I just finished a free week of play along with the free upgrade to WoD and nothing can hurt you. Sure it makes questing faster but it's an insane change compared to what it was like questing in Vanilla again.
>>338476498
do not play with /vg/
/vg/ guilds prop themselves up as a resource for /vg/ to play together but that's not what they are. there's a group of like 4-5 autists who have been there FOREVER who control everything. every single guild, every resource like discord, etc.
if you do not suck up to them and kiss their asses, if you go against even one of them, you will be out of the pecking order and will probably be kicked out of everything. it's a massive waste of time.
Can why talk about why BDO failed?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SwjiJtJYQA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7oo33mR-dE
I've developed beaten wife syndrome for Runescape. It's a shit game but I'm currently back playing it off and on.
>>338472357
What are you enjoying about it? I'm considering resubbing for some casual play (used to be a naxx40 raider)
>>338475505
I think I'm actually gonna resub when action cam is implemented and just take it slow.
Does anyone know when action cam is due to hit retail?
Runescape the new one
>tfw you'll never play maplestory again before everything went to shit starting with pirates
>tfw you'll never sit around the training ground, screen clearing the low level mobs with your high level dragon knight while chatting with friends you're pretty sure are all 30 year old virgins
I will play some mmo when there be something interesting. I played wow for 5 years, and eventually got bored. Than all of mmo was just wow with different textures and sometimes different battle system. When there be finally truly new and interesting MMO, then i play.
But it probably will never happens, couse doing really good MMO is expensive task, and stupid mobile games still bring more revenue.
>>338474135
How do you feel about CCP trying to implement daily quests for SP rewards?
>>338482447
Not him, but I can't imagine he gives a shit. Honestly though, those who criticize it only do so apparently because "but I'll feel like I have to do it", as if missing out on 10k SP is going to fuck with them at all. That little amount of SP is an issue to them? What about all the fresh players missing out on 50M SP vs. everybody else? Empathy.. Game design.
>>338472020
Around 600 hours in guld wars 2
>>338472020
WoW. As has been mentioned it's become somewhat dumbed down and some retard decided that being social is for autists, so that's non-existant. Yet, I still find it fun enough to play. If you like single-player games with optional multiplayer, then WoW is right down your alley.
DAoC
Remember this horrible pay2win game?
>>338475505
When I'm taking, I find the default camera to be absolutely awful. Dungeons often have ceilings that fuck with the camera, and having something that could fix how impossible it is to get the screen in a place that isn't completely blocked by the boss is a nice idea.
>>338482706
Could have been so good.
>>338472020
only the BEST
I play Wakfu with some of my friends. There's tons of bugs but it's pretty fun for the most part. It runs on toasters too.
>>338475775
>4 button gameplay
>top-down click move
Nah. If it's standard MMO movement and gameplay though, you're basically suggesting just stuff to do, like taking areas.
>>338475893
>Wildstar
>have to level shit all over again
This is the main reason most keep playing WoW. Prove me wrong.
>>338476219
>An MMO has class restrictions based on race
What fucking news. If you can't get over playing as the mini elves, you might have security issues.
>>338481542
The writing was on the wall when we heard the vision switch years ago already like anon said >>338479197
>>338481541
>playing with anyone you know from 4chan
This is where it all goes wrong.
>>338476238
>>338478507
>having a problem with cartoons
What's it like to be a complete fuck?
>>338476219
Elins taught me the glory of chubby thighs. I do no regret it
>>338476265
Where?
>>338483229
Sorry for not enjoying playing little girls that looks 6yo and who show their butt-cheeks by just running.
Also, go back to your loli threads please.
>>338479197
Except almost this whole board has absolutely no creative input for MMOs becoming more sandbox focused like they should.
Currently: TESO
Whenever there's new content: The Secret World
>>338483051
>tfw /vg/ guild died
>>338479197
>Western devs just emulate WoW and have zero innovative ideas.
Have you not been paying attention to shit like Life is Feudal, Gloria Victis, Project Gorgon, Camelot Unchained, Shroud of the Avatar, etc. The problem is that they're all in alpha development hell.
There is also EVE, Trove, and DDO that aren't copy-paste WoW.
The only Korean MMO I want to try is Civilization Online before it's DOA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh2Gf-T41a4
>>338482706
>>338483737
wait Vindictus is still alive?
>>338483527
M8, little girls are endearing. It seems like you have no fondness for the simple, which are some of the greatest treasures.
>>338483889
ye mang
new character soon™
>>338484010
where's the vindictus general thread at tho?
>>338484080
with most of the playerbasegone
>>338475893
it's deader than fucking death itself m8
Eff Eff Ecks Eye Vee.
>>338475893
I'd be playing Wildstar if having 250 ping wasn't such a handicap.
>>338472357
It has been like that since Cata. I remember actually dying if I fucked up still in WotLK especially during low/mid levels but in Cata suddenly every mob was made of paper and they got rid of all world elite monsters. Soloing basically is just a chore, you don't actually have to try at all.
>>338482447
I don't really care, I already have 207 million skillpoints. I have everything I could want, I put points in capital ships why I don't even fly them.
>>338482565
Thus
desu wow is the best mmo to date and still is a very good game. i really like the new raid mechanics they introduced with mop.
the problem with wow is that,
1. the end game content (excluding the mythic raiding) is a bit short and easy to do so after couple of months people dont have much to do with the game. desu heroic raiding should be a bit harder.
2. welfare legendary items that even the worst player can get by doing the lfrs. lfr should be out of the game. then the casual gamer can say "but i cant do raids if there is no lfr", you dont need lfr, normal mode is piss easy you can ignore majority of the tactics.
3. heroic dungeons shouldnt lose significance at end game. this means item level upgrade from raid tier to raid tier should be less. we started wod with 630 heroics and now we are at 730 heroic hfc gear. this is very bad design. tbc heroics were very good imo, they were not easy and even at end game casual raiders still needed it due to whatever type of valor points they dropped for buying good gear and they were still challanging to some degree. right now a heroic hfc geared tank can literally pull half of the "mythic dungeon" mobs.
4. wow requires socializing if you want to do the raids in a fun environment. even wow devs admit single player experience of wow is pretty bad. but when you are in a fun group, it is really nice game.
so go ahead, play it. call me shill or whatever. i still like the game.
Playing XIV. I enjoy playing with my cute cat girl.
>>338474749
PSO2 is a terrible Phantasy Star game and most nostalgiafags are massively butthurt over iti like it but it contains many fucking flaws, literally no reason to keep playing once you obtain BiS weapons, long ago you would need multiple weapons for BiS but nowadays all you need is 1 or 2 of each kind, except for DB BO and probably FO would require 2 elements, was going to say TE but its stupid with the current state of the game and can do fine with a light 13* wand
>>338472357
>vanilla deadmines
>if some retarded hunter breaks the sheep you might seriously wipe
>modern deadmines
>rush through it and aoe everything
this is boring
>>338472020
I flip between multiple free or B2P MMO's now to stave off the boredom of content droughts.
I switch between LotRO, GW2, and ESO.
Basically whichever one it's been the longest since I've actually played so there's more new content to do.. that's the one I play more of at the time. Right now that's ESO, since before this month I had not played it since last August, since then they added wrothgar/orsinium and the Thieves Guild, so there's stuff to do. Before that it was LotRO, since they added a new zone and raised the level cap (which I hate that they raised the cap).. it was kind of a shitty update, so basically I got to 105 and stopped playing.
Then there's GW2 which is currently in a content drought.
>>338483070
>Those Moon Island mobs
true fucking scum.
>>338480383
https://www.returnofreckoning.com/
before live died a guy made an emulator, discontinued it after a while and some dudes picked it up and got it working up to T4 recently.
works pretty well so far, average server pop is around 700. one thing though the server's located in UK.
Having fun playing in a Legacy guild on WoW and progressing with the guild.
>>338476432
>The assholes even disabled appearance change.
Wait, what? Explain, please.
>>338485123
>Mercenary PvP mode
Fuck, it's nice (but Horde always loses).
>>338478316
I was looking forward to Peria Chronicles Online, but that seems to have dropped off the face of the earth.
>>338485419
This should be a thread on the WoW forums. I can't be arsed to be interested in leveling because there's no danger.. no anticipation, and I can't even be carrot'd out by the idea of professions anymore.
>>338476219
I love TERA's classes and combat and cosmetics/artstyle, but hate the content you get to do with it.
It's taken me several months to admit it to myself, after trying multiple times to like doing dungeons in it
But I'm finally at the "I quit again" stage where I don't even log in anymore.
>>338485940
its because majority of the horde (as well as me) are pve players thus suck major at pvp.
>go back to anarchy online
>the game is a complete clusterfuck of basically every monetization model known in an online game
>but the core game that I liked 16 years ago is still there and free
Everything turned out better than expected and I can multi-log like the cool kids were doing in 1999 without paying out the ass.
PSO2 is pretty fun. Logged more hours on it than any other game, somehow.
It's in a wierd place, the bosses and even mobs actually would be pretty challenging, but the huge party sizes and over-geared players make most things a cakewalk. I suggest finding friends who like to self-impose challenges with you, it's definitely got the elements of a great game. Dark Falz Luther is hands-down my favorite boss battle of all time, and he still gives some parties a run for their money.
There should be an MMO that allows botting.. and making real money.
>no grinding
>skill based combat
Why would it be so hard for an MMO to try this?
>>338486682
EVE online
>>338486809
you can only pick one.
examples: Vindictus, BDO
>>338486809
because latency
>>338486809
>le skill based combat meme
there is literally nothing wrong with WoW's combat system
Is making half a billion dollars off of a game annually "dying" though?
It was XIV but I lost just about all my interest not long after Heavensward launched. Blizzard gave everyone WoD and a week of game time so I might try WoW again for the hell of it even if I haven't subbed since Cata.
>>338487069
if it was making over a billion a year just a few years ago? Yes.
>>338487069
dying is usually referred to as the soul or playerbase of a game dying, not the revenue
>>338487172
It wasn't making a billion ever.
>>338486582
Oy vey, did you get good uberchao or are you still the same ERP shitter as always?
The whole game is a cake walk if you gitgud
>>338486994
>playing a game where you press the same five keys in the same order over and over
This is the fucking problem with MMOs, they focus on making the game a grind fest which encourages botting, yet none of them focus on the main feature of MMOs, the fact that a lot of players can interact with each other
Wildstar, cuz.
>>338487289
hasn't it lost half of its subscribers since the WotLK days? It was at 12 million subscribers.
World of Tanks and World of Warships.
>>338472835
>>338473989
The EU servers have actually been moved to mainland Europe now, so ping is way better for European players.
You can also use WTFast as well and get your ping even lower.
>>338487435
Hhahhahahaa. Most games only have you press 3 or 4 buttons max consistantly
>>338487435
You literally have the same level of possible interaction in the current game, the problem is that you guys are autistic and need to be handcuffed to other autistic people to make "small talk".
>>338474075
Gameplay is pretty hot, 9/10 would boink.
>>338487435
>implying that's what WoW's combat is
If you relegate yourself to shitter content, sure. Try some high level raiding or PvP. People who shit on tab targeting always come off as super inexperienced in games where it's utilized well. And what gets me is that action combat tends to be "pressing the same five keys in the same order over and over", just with lag fucking you over.
The only one I play now is Lotro, since it's free and runs on my crap pc. I like exploring the world a lot, but I usually get bored after a couple of weeks, stop playing and lose my house.
>>338487526
Blizzard always fudged numbers. They said "subscribers," but they had a lot of different subscription models. The vast majority of the number were always chinese "subscriptions." Which were pay-by-the-hour, free to open, got a few hours free upon opening and monthly, never closed, and were always considered active (at the time). Later they changed it so the accounts were only considered active if someone logged in once every three months, which resulted in a huge drop in "subscriptions."
Still playing FFXI, 12 years after I started.
Still have shit to do, friends to help, and plenty of people around to do things with. It's gonna suck shit when they eventually shut it down because of the tumor that is XIV.
>>338472020
I'm playing Tera and gw2, preacher I don't play gw2 as much as I run an RP guild because the game hasn't had good to do in it like every other mmo in existence including ones that focus on endgame.
I'm glad mmos are dying though, be nice to clear out the old blood and bring in the new.
>>338487298There's no escape for me.
Anyway, doing something like reducing party size can at least make dying and losing at least an actual threat that you have to work to avoid. I mean, if you can solo this game easily, I can respect that and believe it, there are people who can. But if things like healing items and massive party size weren't so prevalent, the bosses would easily be harder than those in most other vidya.
And I never ERPed. Even attempted, but I can't dig it.
>>338486856
If they allowed botting, I'd play. You're probably a dev giving me the all clear, but then my account gets banned because I don't have proof, so..
>>338487889
You know, people always pull this "durr it's all Chinese subs" but never actually show any metrics or stats that show this.
>>338487774
LotRO runs like shit for me, even after upgrading my computer and getting new computers over the year the same hitches happen, like when you run into another player the game hitches because it's loading up all the irrelevant shit about that player like their bio, their bank contents, etc (Yes, LotRO is based on spaghetti coding). It has some bad memory leaks too, when you go around minas tirith if you're in DX11 mode and have graphics on higher settings you will CTD because the game is still a 32 bit client and it runs out of memory. (GW2 fixed this same problem by making a 64 bit client)
a lot of newer games run a lot better for me.
>>338486938
What pisses me off with Nexon is that they make a game like Vindictus, then pull a 180 with Dragon Nest and make a game that is way overly simplified and super heavy on the grind factor.
Every fucking high level mob in that game is simple as fuck to deal with, they just become ludicrous damage sponges. That and leveling takes for ever, so you have to run the same dungeons ten million times over to get anywhere.
>>338486994
How about that everybody's already played it for about 5 xpacs?
>>338488365
I said WoW's combat system, not WoW itself m8.
>>338487673
High level any combat requires a certain amount of skill. However in wow it has more to do with proper rotation than any reactionary skill, inb4 someone tries to pretend like raids aren't ability based DDR.
>>338488240
You know, people always pull this "THERE'S NO STATS OR METRIC TO PROVE IT SO THEREFORE ALL BLIZZARD SUBSCRPTIONS ARE PAYING 15 A MONTH THUS WOW IS MAKING GORRILLIONS A YEAR" but they never acknowledge the fact chinese wow account practices are documented (with links between huge subscription dips and changes to chinese account policies) while blizzard has a vested interest in saying "subscriptions" and letting their braindead investors think that means 15,000,000x$15x12 = WHOAMYGAWD
Traditional MMOs are dead. All you have now are private servers for older games, Korean grindfest skinners box simulators, world of casualcraft, and EVE online. Personally, I think mobas have dethroned mmos. So you're better off finding a different game to play.
>>338488507
>However in wow it has more to do with proper rotation than any reactionary skill, inb4 someone tries to pretend like raids aren't ability based DDR.
I'm more talking about PvP where you have a lot of other factors besides raw DPS/HPS. Things like mobility and staying on target, offhealing, CC, proper CD usage, positioning, etc.
>>338487673
DFO has combos, and it's super fun to play.
>>338488502
But you'd point to WoW as an example of decent WoW-like combat, because there aren't really any tuned alternatives.
>>338486112
Agree pretty much
I have more fun leveling new classes than playing endgame. I have 8 different classes on lv65. Not saying endgame is compleatly bad, most of the dungeons are fun and challenging but they get super repetitive and it's the same gameplay loop every patch. That is get the new gear and grind the same dungeon with shit players over and over.
I guess what keeps me playing is the fun combat system, cool classes and elins ofcourse.
>>338487673
I know for a fact that you could set up a macro in wotlk for warriors that required you to spam 3 keys and hold shift while doing it for aoe. Would top DPS charts easy.
>>338488816
Protip: it's not by Nexon anymore.
I'm sure most have stated it already but FF14 is pretty excellent. Huge community, looks great, and it's fun to play. The early game stuff (anything before Lv.30) is piss easy but it slowly starts to get more and more difficult from then on. Lv.50+ is pretty awesome to me. I can understand why they did this to ease in newbies so I'm cool with it and getting from Lv.1 to 30 is a cakewalk. Hell, you can get from Lv.1 to 15 nigh instantly and the daily bonuses help tremendously in getting from Lv.15 to 50. I got the newly released Dark Knight from Lv.30 to 50 in about two weeks from pretty much only doing daily content.
I also like how the game demands you to understand your character and make efficient use of all of your moves. Like, for Black Mage, you don't get rid of Fire 1 when you get Fire 2. Every Fire and Blizzard move, from 1 to 4, have their place and need to be used at the right time. It is dumb that the Thunder moves are all just upgrades but whatever, I guess.
>>338488907
... literally every class could top DPS charts by switching to aoe.
Except rogues lol
>>338488790
As I said the same deal, honestly gw1&2 PvP was and still is better than wows combat in terms of PvP. Which in itself is stupid because it's all instanced garbage that does nothing to create guild competition. WoWs PvP has always been terrible and pointless.
there's that soul worker game, that's bound to waste an hour or two
>>338488907
WotLK warriors had 50+ keybinds in order to play properly in PvP.
>>338488839
Even the leveling isn't very fun.
I like the combat but the questing, the dungeons, the PVP, it's all shit.
I want a Dark Souls MMO.
It would take some creative thinking to make it work, but, it'd be different. It could be what we need to inject some life back in to MMOs.
I was playing FFXIV a lot since 3.2 released, but my sub ran out, and I'm trying to drop the genre for good.
>>338489116
I disagree with this entire post. GW2 is all-in-all terrible, GW1 was great because of the customization you could get lost in, and the small group objective oriented PvP. WoW arena has yet to be surpassed in terms of MMO PvP.
>>338489167
There's not even a DaS server game.
>>338486059
>optimal mana/health spending rotation
>bunching the correct quests together
>planning your leveling routes that you can visit towns when needed
>doing pulls and cc without fucking yourself over
>death might mean that you spend the next 10 minutes running through STV as a ghost
>buffs actually meant something
It is amazing how many small things you can ruin by making the one aspect of the game piss easy.
>>338480398
Because I played UO at launch and nothing will compare to it.
Maybe it was because I played retail when I was a kid, but every private server I've tried feels like a soulless husk compared to the original game.
Unlike WoW, where private servers like Nos can recreate not only the mechanics but the sense of community and "feel" of the original (at least until they're shut down).
Me and a pal recently started play DCUO. Its his first time and im a returning player.
We just shit talk kids in pvp saying shit like RUN BARRY RUN and when we win we say im the fastest man alive. Just a good game for shits and giggles. Customization is real nice. Slightly p2w in that you have to buy the rest of your powers from the marketplace and you only start with 6.
>>338472020
I used to play a shit game (SHIT GAME!) called Phantasy Star Online. I do hope they bring it to the west and will play it only if they start at Episode 1. But the moment we get to Episode 3 it goes to shit and I will quit again.
Now I play.. Blade & Soul, Black Desert Online, Dungeon Fighter Online, Kiritika Online, Moonlight Blade Online, Monster Hunter Online, Soul Worker Online, Closers Online.
I registered an account so I can play the FOTM Lost Ark Online when the CBT goes live.
I'm maining Black Desert and Dungeon Fighter right now.
>>338489385
>running in circles at max 5vs5 need to be surpassed in MMO-pvp
shill some more
>the golden age of simple open source MMO's that could be completely customized down to the server code + graphics will never return
RIP Graal Online
>>338489385
Arena PvP is the worst thing to happen to mmo PvP, it turns a massively multiplayer game into a shitty arena game with subpar combat system with autism.
>>338489795
lad I hate current WoW. It's a shit game currently and Legion will suck dick. I'm not shilling anything, I'm talking about the system WoW utilized being a good combat system for MMO PvP. I'm trying to have a conversation about it with you.
>running in circles at max 5vs5 need to be surpassed in MMO-pvp
That's a gross oversimplification of it. Do you have much experience with WoW arena?
>>338489923
graal wasn't open source though
that's like saying game maker is open source
>>338490067
Why do you feel WoW's combat system is shitty and subpar?
>>338489060
Would top dps even in single target. My roommate who played during vanilla and bc set it up. He came back to play right before cata came out and destroyed a lot of smug faggots in our guild while wearing shitty greens. It was funny too, because a lot of people in the raid were talking shit about having to carry him through regular raids to get gear.
I know it's not at the same level going to higher ranked raids, but i guarantee if he actually gave a shit about WoW again and got a full raid set, he could do it again.
>>338489147
Yeah but that's because your facing each other and have to react to an actual person, dps in raids is simple.
>>338490174
Open enough to make it whatever you wanted I guess.
Someone was working on a true open source client but it's been fucking dead in the water for years now.
>>338490225
>Yeah but that's because your facing each other and have to react to an actual person, dps in raids is simple.
I agree. The vast majority of the time PvE is extremely simple and easy.
>>338483745
>The problem is that they're all in alpha development hell.
This. I can still see a lot of potential in the genre, but there are literally zero developers that have the muscles to push out an interesting product. It is either horrible carbon copies of neo-WoW or Korean scams.
>>338475539
Not really, even the big WoW channels can't bring themselves not to shit on the game
>>338490189
This isn't really a conversation as it is two people slinging opinions at each other. Arena pigeonholes a system that could promote massive player interaction into a closed I'm instanced area.
It's more reliant on keyboard and hotkey counters than it is I'm positioning an stitch based skill, it I wanted to play an arena anything I would and do play UT. That's the problem here and the same!we reason that overwatch DM being based around abilities is awful. It's reliant on hotkeys which are an oversimplification of button inputs but because the combat system lacks a z axis or proper positional skill all you can do is add more hotkeys, which makes it boring and subpar. And completely against the genre trying to play around in as it only focuses on 5v5
>>338490189
terrible arbitrary time between attacks. You literally click an enemy and your character attacks it without you. yeah you can fucking do abilities and move and shit. but the games so fucking easy you don't need to. So yeah you can move and press buttons to make your character do something. But you never actually do anything. you just watch your character do anime spins until something dies. No real thought or effort put in. You don't do anything WoW's combat single handedly ruined every other MMO ever. because people don't fucking understood why people liked WoW. it's good because of the gameplay obvs right, most people would assume a game is good for that reason. but nah everyone who played wow knows the combat is fuckign useless bullshit to get fancy clothes so you can go wait 8 hours for the raid to unlock, because You can't just do it a lot. You pay us for the time to play. but 90% of the time it's dailies, mat farming, or waiting for a raid. The game is pointless, ruined any charm or nostalgia it had, and completely ruined the Warcraft franchise so permanently, that they released a movie based on the first two games like 20 fucking years after their heyday.
WoW is the single worst MMO EVER made. Other than Swotor, which is bad for literally the exact same reasons, just stuff star wars where applicable. But. WoW is older and has no excuse as to why they made it over warcraft 4.
if you play WoW, played WoW, or never played it. Stop giving it attention. Let blizzard fuck themselves to death slowly making bigger and bigger flops over time.
>>338490979
>It's more reliant on keyboard and hotkey counters than it is I'm positioning an stitch based skill
Arena is very positioning based. I agree it's not so much focused on accuracy and twitch reaction times (it has some of those elements in certain situations), it's about using your GCDs and CDs intelligently and coordinating with your teammates. I don't think the system is inherently boring or subpar.
We just have different opinions and I think yours stems from lack of experience and understanding with it altogether.
>>338491303
stupid post entirely
Maplestory
I hate my life
>>338491305
No it's not, not even close to the combat overall, I think your opinion comes a lot from a lack of understanding of what DM and proper positional combat is while having a lack of experience in competitive shooters. It goes into the same reason why rising thunder lacks a lot of the footsie complexity of normal fighters.
I also think it stems from the lack of experiemcing proper world PvP al la daoc, rf, AC, and lineage. It wouldn't even matter how good the arena based PvP is, it's a fucking mmo. So focusing on stuff like duels ( looking at you bns) is retarded and focusing on the weakest of the genre which is the fact that it is hotkey based combat.
>>338472357
Blizzard said they acknowledge that the low level content got fucked up in MoP and they plan to re-adjust it in Legion
>>338492151
>No it's not, not even close to the combat overall
The way I described WoW arena PvP is perfectly accurate.
> I think your opinion comes a lot from a lack of understanding of what DM and proper positional combat is while having a lack of experience in competitive shooters
I'm not sure what DM combat is and I guess you're right about me not having experience with "proper positional combat". I do have tens of thousands of hours with competitive shooters though. CS:S, TF2, early CoD, and a few others.
>I also think it stems from the lack of experiemcing proper world PvP al la daoc, rf, AC, and lineage. It wouldn't even matter how good the arena based PvP is, it's a fucking mmo
I'm not even advocating for arena, I'm using it as an example to show how skill-based and complex WoW's combat system can be. I'm arguing purely for hotkey, tab-targeting combat.
>>338490979
>>338492151
>Arena pigeonholes a system that could promote massive player interaction into a closed I'm instanced area
This isn't a criticism for the actual gameplay viability.
>It's more reliant on keyboard and hotkey counters than it is I'm positioning an stitch based skill
I'm guessing that's "twitch based skill". Which is irrelevant -- there are more types of skill than manual aiming in an FPS, like reacting to the characters are healing or doing a really damaging attack (to prevent them), or to properly time the abilities on and off CD so that the team has the best chance of winning.
I'm not sure your actual criticism with the gameplay beyond that.
>It's reliant on hotkeys which are an oversimplification of button inputs
DFO would disagree, even on the positioning critique.
>because the combat system lacks a z axis or proper positional skill all you can do is add more hotkeys
It could technically have an upward meta and a lot more mobility.
In any case, your criticism is basically just "it's not a shooter" without any real reason why it's actually less skillful to win. Post your 2k or even glad achievement then, if it's so simple.
>>338481665
Leveling is still enjoyable.
>>338490386
I will say one thing though, classes with a lot of random procs can get annoying to play if you don't macro. I played and ele shaman in woltk and when cata came out it was a LITTLE hard to focus on the mechanics and keep my rotation on max damage. I don't remember exactly how it went, but i remember having at least 4 or 5 random procs that would change my rotation and had to be used by level of importance. I'm sure I could have macrod it all, but I managed.
In all honesty I would probably still be playing WoW if guild drama didn't make our raid groups fall apart. Even a shitty game is fun with friends to some extent.
>>338492494
>in MoP
It was way, way, way before that.
>>338493220
Tab-targeting PvE can be retardedly difficult to do perfectly in a lot of different cases. Look at Feral in MoP for the best example of this. The problem is Blizzard is so fucking lazy and incompetent, they can barely ever get it right.
>>338472020
I play WoW, but when I need variety I'll hop over to FFXIV for a month, and after that do some other f2p ones to remind me why I like WoW more.
Also, Star Trek Online is coming to consoles this year, so get excited about that.
>>338476265
>SWG
>EVE
my friend, great taste
When Im not playing WoW I play warframe
Mists of Pandaria was actually good leveling. Everyone complains about it, but I don't understand why.
You only had ground mounts, you had to mind your pulls otherwise you'd get overwhelmed, enemies were generally harder, and there were minibosseses that spawn randomly around the map that gave you rewards for killing them but provided challenging fights with interesting mechanics regardless of your class. There was also hidden shit everywhere.
I've picked up Asheron's Call lately, if you can find a bunch of people to play with it's a lot of fun
>download 1.12.1 client
>register on kronos
>level to 5
>bored out of my mind
I just want to replay vanilla deadmines one or two times damnit
EVE Online, ratting and doing PvE missions, the other players are an annoyance but theres no other game like it so I have no choice.
Mabinogi
I tried the FFXIV trial recently, but dropped it quickly since I played it like a singleplayer RPG and it's a boring RPG. I don't think I know how to play MMOs, same thing happened to me with Tera and Blade & Soul.
>>338474075
But gameplay SHOULD be the fun part.
>SMT Imagine servers were shut down
Goddammit I miss those times so much it hurts.
>>338494485
Playstation 1 has PSN!?
>>338483051
See, I would play an MMO with a combat like this. But the thing about MMOs is that they are boring themepark games. There is no clan fight, territory wars, or good looking weapons and armors.
http://mud.co.uk/richard/The%20Decline%20of%20MMOs.pdf
i've been playing final fantasy 14 for a good while and im still enjoying it though that doesn't mean the game doesn't have it's faults
>>338481542
>two shit streamers quit
>WoW babbys can't handle pvp game
>GAEM IS DEAD NOBODY PLAYS
Go back to FFXV kids
>>338495009
>What is World ofTanks
>>338476238
>I only play mature games for mature gamers such as myself
>>338495306
Not an MMO.
>>338494596
I did the XIV Trial and I really tried to like it because I have friends who play it, but I couldn't, the 2.5s gcd just single handedly ruined the game for me, the boring landscape questing didn't help either.
>>338495306
The free experience system in that game is what many MMORPGs should adopt.
>>338494184
Maybe because sitting through leveling content after sitting through no raid updates isn't appealing.
>>338495363
>A massively multiplayer online game is not a Massively Multiplayer Online game
It has territories and clan wars too, just like you said.
>>338495498
Not if it's still just like 15v15 and instance based.
>>338495498
Then I guess Call of Duty is an MMO as well?
It's not MASSIVELY multiplayer, dummy.
