Will the new Unreal Tournament save arena shooters?
>>338435178
It will only prove how dead PC gaming really is. There's like 250 people playing it regularly and the game is fucking free.
No.
>>338435279
>how dead PC gaming really is
>>338435279
It's in development retard. There's absolutely zero advertising for it
>>338435305
Why?
>>338435279
It's not even out yet.
>>338435508
>It's in development retard.
PC retards buy shitty games in development all the time from non name shit lord devs who don't advertise at all.
>>338435579
>what is early access
>>338435640
Go shitpost elsewhere with your platform war shit you retarded child
>>338435824
Good job refuting anything I said. I love UT. PC gaming is dead so UT is dead. That's just a fact you'll have to accept.
>>338435178
Who is that handsome man?
>>338435178
If they can get the fucking advanced scripting going, or better still a method of easily porting mods from the previous UT games to UT4. UT99 has some really fuckin neat and popular shit as does 2k4, and porting those over to the new engine would help immensely.
>>338435928
Refute what? People do retarded shit regardless of platform
This game has so few players because
>in development
>no advertising
>not on steam
Now fuck off with your retarded meme arguments
I'm not sure how many dead arena shooters we need to go through before people get that it's a niche genre that can't support a healthy playerbase.
Hell even at this moment far more people are playing Epic's MOBA that has a pay gate and is less finished than Unreal Tournament 4.
>>338436229
So you're saying only steam users buy games in development. Steam users don't play games, so I'm not entirely sure how that would help increase the player base.
I said to fuck off with the meme arguments
>>338436371
Uh no they're not. Paragon is pretty shit. The new UT will save arena shooters once it is actually out. Soon as they put it on steam, it'll be up there.
>>338436673
Great contribution to the thread.
>>338436896
>Soon as they put it on steam
They already said they have no plans to bring the game to Steam because the store is integrated into their client. Why would adding DRM save the game anyways?
>>338436896
Wasn't saying Paragon was good, but it'll always have more players than Unreal, released or not.
wasn't toxikk supposed to save arena shooters?
>>338436920
>Steam users don't play games
Great contribution to the thread
>>338435928
>PC gaming is dead
like, i understand trying to shitpost in every thread you see, but you can't unironically ironically post something so delusional
>>338437071
They don't. Don't you remember all the Valvedrones saying Steam would save Tribes? How about Toxikk?
>>338437232
You need to be 18 to post here.
>>338435279
Yes anon, PC gaming is happily dying since 1995.
>>338437335
>Don't you remember all the Valvedrones saying Steam would save Tribes? How about Toxikk?
Unreal Tournament is neither
Arena shooters don't have an audience of more than like a few thousand people at best.
>>338437553
Tribes was just as popular back in the day as UT.
>>338437335
>You need to be 18 to post here.
>cries the entire thread about meme arguments
>>338437637
It really wasn't. Plus, UT didn't change developer with almost each iteration
>>338437767
>genre is dead
>platform is dead
>literally nothing to show otherwise
>implying I'm wrong regardless
You think Steam is relevant to PC gaming, that's enough to show you're either underage or just got your first PC. PC gaming is just console gaming at a higher framerate/resolution. And that's even assuming the ports aren't complete shit in the first place, which they usually are. I don't get why people are so unable to accept this.
![[worried laughter].gif](https://i.imgur.com/bmgc79k.gif "[worried laughter].gif")
>>338438468
>PC gaming is just console gaming at a higher framerate/resolution. And that's even assuming the ports aren't complete shit in the first place, which they usually are. I don't get why people are so unable to accept this.
>>338438468
I honestly don't know if you're baiting or this delusional
its doa
>>338435178
>game made by Cliff Blizinski
Probably not, depending on how soon it is coming out. Seems like Overwatch is stealing the spotlight from all non-MOBA PC competitive games.
>>338439315
That guy isn't in Epic since 2012
How long before its officially out?
Maybe when it starts to get promotion we will see more people.
>>338435178
Absolutely not. Epic completely killed UT with UT3.
Plus there's 0 advertisement for UT4. No one even knows it's a thing.
Are people really debating whether PC gaming is dead?
It's obviously so, it's only kept afloat by the shittiest and most cancerous genres and games
>>338440658
No idea honestly
>>338440934
It's nothing like UT3, have you even tried it?
There's no advertisement because the game is still in development
>>338441326
I know retard.
My point was that UT3 was fucking garbage and it alienated whatever fanbase UT had before it. It's also been 10 years. People have forgotten about UT, especially when UT3 was utter shit.
No one believes in Epic Games anymore.
Even if they advertise UT4 as "return to its roots" it's going to be an extremely steep hill to climb.
>>338435279
>>338435178
I play it every day, it's very good and polished for a "pre-alpha"it's more of an alpha but i think its a good idea they call it pre for now. This game's success relies on word of mouth, it's good period.
I think the problem is arena shooters are pretty high skill and possibly rough on new players. A the new rank system is a step in the right direction though.
>>338435979
Good thought but the base game should be attractive enough to gain decent mass on it's own imo.
>>338441732
Could I run it on a toaster?
>That webm
Fucking Japan.
It's okay but it will eventually get eaten alive by its "pay for cosmetics and mods" business model, just like TF2.
>>338442193
It's Korean you dunce
>>338442410
Oh. So can I run it on a toaster?
Reflex is better.
>>338435178
Hopefully the'll advertise for this one.
>>338442193
>>338442450
Yes actually, the game is surprisingly optimized. I'm running it on a laptop and not once do i dip below 60 fps at 1080p. On most games i have to play in lower resolutions for acceptable frame rates.
>>338442450
I'm not him so I have no idea what you're asking about, I was just pointing out that that was Korean on the screen.
>>338442193
Yes
>>338442535
Sweet. Love Unreal Tournmanet, I'd even play UT2007 from time to time long after release.
It's great.
Lol no.
As far as PC shooters will go, you'll either be in one of two camps.
Overwatch or CS:GO.
>>338437031
Visibility.
>>338442782
>what is team class based shooter
>what is tactical shooter
>what is arena shooter
>>338435178
those nails are fucking nasty
it's ok for UT fans
Reflex is ok for quake fans
>Le dead
all you've gotta do is play them nigga
>>338441518
This game is literally being developed by both the community and Epic though, not just Epic. They are showing the fanbase they can listen.
>Start Unreal Tournament 4
>It's so fucking dead I can only join servers that have maybe 5 people playing
Most depressing situation.
The problem (not with Unreal but modern gamers) is that there's no Get Out of Jail card in Unreal. You suck and that's it you just suck. People want safety nets.
The future is Overwatch.
>free
>optimized
>pretty
>fast
>challenging
>yet somehow people fall for blizzard memes
Doom already did
>>338442934
I just realized that the Quake Guy is literally just Doom Guy. Quake 1 is such a beautiful mess in terms of theme.
>>338443297
>>338443339
ON D E V E L O P M E N T
I'm sure the game will have a decent fanbase when it releases
>>338443430
Doomguy is a sissy boy. Ranger (Quakeguy is what retards call him) is permanently pissed and doesn't fuck around. Ranger won and defeated evil while Doomguy ate shit and couldn't kill off bad guys.
>>338443503
They are going to let you download the game from Steam at some point right?
Because I am certain many gamers just aren't aware of Unreal and the client.
They also sadly need to shill to the Let's Players so they can get their kiddy audience on the Arena Shooter train.
>>338443775
nope
>>338442782
Why one or the other? I'm big into CSGO but I also played the shit out of the Overwatch beta, I've even pre-ordered.
Rainbow Six Siege is my favorite multi-player FPS of this age though.
>>338443637
>if i wanted to play quake i would just play quake
that's shitter logic and if they wanted to try something new it has to be at least as good as the older games which is rarely the case
you retards deserve garbage like overwatch
>>338443775
If they want it to succeed they should. But I'm not sure as they are trying to push their own marketplace
>>338444049
Overwatch is fun. Enjoy your no players
>>338435279
I guarantee it's because it's not on steam
>>338443740
>Talking shit about Doomguy
Literally immortal and will never stop killing the Demons. Beat even the hardest Joke WADs.
Anyone in NA want to play some CPMA?
>>338444779
>Not playing default deathmatch all day every day
>>338445019
Played a bunch of Quake Live but hankering for some legit promode.
>>338443740
>Doomguy ate shit and couldn't kill off bad guys.
[citation needed]
>>338445019
>posting coalburners
>current year
>>338435928
>PC gaming is dead
If you're going to give others shit for not "refuting your argument" why don't you bring some proof to show us how PC gaming is dying eh? Probably because you know googling info would show you're wrong.
>>338445192
Any videos of this wench burning some coal? Just curious.
>>338438468
This gotta be bait. It's gotta be.
Sadly, I don't see it doing THAT well. The game is good I think it will have a dedicated following, but even with the positive word of mouth Doom is getting, I think the multiplayer population is really small. I regularly get matched with the same players in both Doom and UT. Gamers these days are just plebs, end of story.
>>338445725
doom mp is absolute shit
I'm glad it's already dead
>>338445738
did you fuck with lod or does quake 3 actually look like this
>>338446108
>faster speed
>no regenerating health
>Maps with verticality
>fighting over power ups
I dunno, the more I play it the more I like it. It's not Q3 or UT but you can't honestly say that it is worse than CoD or whatever else is popular these days. The gameplay is solid, the weapons are good. Loadouts are questionable and demons suck, but those are the only negatives.
>>338446431
Lowest LOD. r_detailtextures 0
I prefer less visual noise. However, I need to find out the setting to remove the dark shadowing from the walls.
>>338446431
Faggots set all settings to low to pick out their oponents more easily. Quake 3 obviously looks way better than that.
>>338446431
lowered way down so the enemies have maximum visibility
pretty much how serious players would play it
>>338435178
Arena shooters died a while ago and they will never return.
>>338446954
This truth fucking hurts, anon. Why continue living in a world without perfect multiplayer gameplay?
>>338446954
>>338447168
I still get my kicks on QL but they are fleeting thanks to the major fuckup they made with Steam integration.
>>338444779
23.81.90.204:27961
>>338445542
>>338445405
>>338444386
>there are people on this board so young and stupid they don't even realize steam is actually what finally killed quake live
>>338448807
A price tag is what killed quake live
>>338449036
A price tag that exists because Steam is run by the largest Jew in the industry, both physically and metaphorically. Do you retards honestly think putting a game on Steam is free?
>>338449135
>valve decides on what games have a price
Are you retarded? Blame Bethesda you fuckwad
>>338449326
Valve charge for their shitty service so companies can attract 10 year olds and r edditor retards to their game. To pay for that shitty service, companies charge more for games. Why do you think Steam is actually the worst place on the fucking internet to buy cdkeys?
This game is such a giant piece of garbage it will single handedly taint the series beyond redemption. Nothing short of a complete rebuild from the ground up will save it from being the blunder of the century.
>b-b-but it's a pre-alpha!
I've seen indie shovelware shit on steam with a shorter pre-release. they're just looking to scam nostalgiafags at this point.
>>338449473
Explain why there are mods like Cry of Fear and Sven Co-op hosted there for free
>>338449942
>Explain why there are mods
>mods
Because Valve are planning on charging for them.
>>338449862
(you)
>>338435178
No, not unless it'll have some cosmetic system similar to CSGO or Overwatch. That seems to be the thing to keep this current generation of players interested.
>>338448807
Are you the same guy from above? If so, you are so hypocritical it's quite funny actually.
You say that others only use "meme arguments" against you, yet when someone asks for evidence towards your claims, you just ignore them. And you don't prove anything you post. You simply insult.
You're filled with ad-hominems and the inability to prove your own argument.
>>338450027
Sure thing pal. Not sure why you had to choose this thread to shitpost
>>338450112
It has a cosmetic system similar to TF2
>>338450192
Do you not remember Skyrim's bullshit? Are you actually just this oblivious to reality? Valve can't charge for mods because they don't own the rights to them. They are quickly (and successfully) removing your rights to ownership of them. They just need to get you retards to finally accept paying for it.
No. UT was never the best pure arena shooter. Onslaught and Bombing Run were the peak of the series. Especially the custom Onslaught maps.
UT4 is an HD remake/tech demo nobody really cares about.
>>338437054
i totally forgot about that game. i remember people talking about how good it was/was going to be and how glad they were about the idea of it not being f2p. what happened at the end?
>>338450453
It was a fiasco for a reason, people aren't going to pay for mods, much less standalone HL1 mods
>>338450886
People did pay for them. Valve just couldn't sell them without any issue because the only people who had any fucking sense are the people who didn't sell out to Valve and refused to put their shit on Steam. This caused assload of incompatibilities and that's where the real fucking issue was. Developers will either solve this or continue removing the ability to mod games all together because they can make more money selling DLC.
>>338446771
>pretty much how autistic players would play it
ftfy, the extra visibility is mostly imaginary. i just wish you didn't have to force everyone to be the robot just because the hitbox/visual relationship can get really fucked on some models.
>>338451052
http://www.businessinsider.com/valve-ends-paid-skyrim-mods-2015-4
Paid mods generated like 10k, so no, it didn't make financial sense
I just downloaded it. Any tips on rebinding the dodge? Doubletapping is fucking retarded and breaks the flow completely.
>>338450027
lol
>>338451535
you can bind dodge to single button in options menu. Its v by default IRC
>>338451535
use shift.
also dont forget you can dodge backwards and all.
also, to fuck with your opponents, instead of instantly dodging off of a wall, wallrun for half a second, it always trips people up
But Halo 5 is great
>>338443345
>>338445725
The new doom isn't an arena shooter. The MP has loadouts and the SP obviously doesn't qualify
>tfw still playing quake 3
Gonna wait for something till then
>>338449862
explain
>>338451851
>>338443345
>>338445725
Actually, I take that back. I'd say DOOM qualifies as much as H5 does, both are on the edge
>>338451909
ya, but I really dislike a lot of the quake weapon design. A global range, constant firing hitscan gun that's also the most powerful is a tad annoying. There's no reason to use any of the other weapons if you have any 1 of the big 3, meaning the RL, rail and lightning gun
I like UT guns because even if they're not all direct combat weapons, they all have some niche role that they excel really well at. This makes almost every part of the map have some strategic value
>>338435279
PC Gaming isn't dead, just arena shooters. I would feel bad because I grew up playing them and have lots of great memories, but the current arena shooter community is so unbelievably obnoxious, I can't help but feel its poetic justice in a way
>>338452038
Both have shit multiplayer, not sure what you're even on about
>>338452023
you won't get one.
It's summer you see. The rampant shitposting is on us.
We've always had raging autists, but the summer always brings out the worst in people.
"Oh, a pre-alpha with no advertising is already an amazingly fun and functional game? Blunder of the century operating off of nostalgia"
Just watch, any PC exclusive game has naysayers saying it'll be garbage. If you press them, they always end up being sonyggers. DoW3 announcement trailer threads were plagued with them
>>338452482
and rts and mmos and point and clicks and roguelikes and the list goes on.
inb4 some retard claims roguelites are roguelikes.
>>338452563
MMOs needed to die.
>>338452023
>almost 2 years of pre-alpha
>supreme edgelord voice acting when you get a kill
>3 completed maps, a gorillion half-assed maps
>customization might as well be non existent
>weapon physics feel like ass
>weapon balance is non-existent
>0 community, 0 hype
I start it up every few months to see if things have gotten better and within 15 minutes i quit because of the overwhelming stench of failure the game exudes
>>338435279
I didn't know it existed until I happened upon a random YouTube video about it. I'd be playing it now but my toaster can barely run it at lowest settings. I'll play for sure when I build a new rig in the near future. It's fun.
>>338435178
>Will a reskin of a perfectly functional game drawing less than 100 people on weekends save the dead genre
Yes
>>338452563
MMOs are definitely not dead, dying maybe, no way dead. RTS, roguelikes, point and click, sure, I don't disagree.
>>338452608
I fully agree, but they're still dead nonetheless. The only games that get made for PC and designed with controllers in mind. That right there just killed 80% of the good genres.
>>338452608
At this point MMOs is mostly dead.
>>338452491
see >>338452627
>it's a pre-alpha! it's supposed to be bad!
enjoy your ded game
>>338452482
> but the current arena shooter community is so unbelievably obnoxious, I can't help but feel its poetic justice in a way
what is this autism I'm witnessing? What is this blatant lying that has shown itself?
I have never had any experience playing arena shooters that was nearly as bad as playstation network, xbox live, dota2, league, counter strike, or any other main stream or big game.
The arena shooter communities are small, and they're extremely nice. You're so full of shit that I'm unironically triggered right now. When I get a headshot, people type "nice shot" not "fucking little hacking fag"
You have no idea what you're talking about, and I doubt you've ever ACTUALLY played an arena shooter. The smaller communities of videogames in general are bro-tier,
I've been playing UT4 for over a year now, and only once has someone started flaming and called someone else a hacker. And guess what? He was saying "get fucked noob" and "this game isn't as good as CSGO" the entire time.
Take your idiotic, lying ass elsewhere, stop shitting up an excellent community with your lies
>>338435178
we will see when it's released, only retards play pre-alpha games
>>338452960
Your post basically proved my point. You're right, I haven't played an arena shooter recently, I'm just talking about arena shooter threads on /v/ and leddit, which are mostly people obnoxiously jerking each other off about how much better their games are than COD/CS:GO. The community (that makes these kind of posts) seems to be defined by hating other games, like aggressively proselytising atheists or something, rather than liking their own games. I'm sure the ingame experience is different.
>>338452795
>>338452627
>almost 2 years of pre-alpha
and the game is fully functional, in fact more functional than any AAA shooter at launch I've played for the past 5 years
>supreme edgelord voice acting when you get a kill
you only get kill messages when you get special kills. This is evidence that you don't actually play the game
>3 completed maps, a gorillion half-assed maps
actually it's 7 fully textured maps, with all other maps being fully functional gameplay wise. Fully textured maps are Lea, Pistola, Facing worlds, Bio tower, Titan's pass, chill, and outpost 23. More evidence you haven't played the game
>customization might as well be non existent
this is you complaining you can't play dress up when the game is extremely fun and ready gameplay wise.
>weapon physics feel like ass
funny, because they're remembered as classics by the arena shooter community.
>weapon balance is non-existent
your opinion versus pro's opinions. Meaning I'm going to side with people who have experience over some sonygger
>0 community, 0 hype
I see 500 people online and duel good friends over the weekends. Better than playing a 6 hour walking simulator I paid $60 for.
Go back to your shitty games, consolefag
>>338452960
This, I had a lot of games with people where there was just friendly banter and people saying which countries they were from, etc. The game is hard to master and that keeps the retarded kiddies away
>>338435640
are you tumblr faggot?
>>338442934
Reflex isn't okay for Quake fans and I say this as a CPM player. Reflex at present is a shitty version of CPM and the only thing you can do in it is duel unless you're in EU and can get pickups.
Quake Live is similar. Pickups are completely dead in North America lately so unless you like duel or CA then the game is effectively unplayable.
Midair is the only hope I have for being able to play an FPS that isn't shit and also has players at some point in the future.
>>338453292
You made baseless accusations, then admitted you have little to no experience with the community you made those accusations about.
It's like you're saving me the trouble of proving you wrong, you just upfront admit "I have no idea what I'm talking about but I'm pretty sure ur wrong"
>>338453431
I'm looking forward to Midair as well, hopefully it'll play like Tribes 2
>>338443637
I'm dumber for having clicked this. I hope you catch AIDS.
>>338453482
Are you struggling with reading comprehension or something? I'm talking about arena shooter general threads, which are mostly populated by unpleasant people. I've read hundreds of them, enough to get a pretty serious dislike of the community. These are obviously not the same people you're playing with, and I'm glad you're having a pleasant time, but the public face of arena shooters is these gigantic goobers and I guarantee you they exist
>>338444181
enjoy this year's evolve
>>338453684
read your own post. You said you haven't played arena shooters for a very long time. You literally admitted to not having years of experience with the current community. Your opinion is worthless
>>338435178
Halo 5 already saved arena shooters
>>338443637
are you retarded?
>>338453684
>the public face of arena shooters is these gigantic goobers and I guarantee you they exist
>>338453759
I'm talking about the fucking community that posts on leddit and 4chan, jesus fuck
>>338453767
they ruined it with p2w microtransaction bullshit
>>338435178
fuck no it won't, I still get nostalgia thinking about playing UT99 but 4 is shit pure and utter shit.
New quake or bust
>>338453902
its all cosmetics and shit that you can unlock with REQ points anyway
>>338453767
Bait
>>338453884
Deny it all you want, arena shooters are dead as fuck anyway so not like it matters
>>338453895
>hurr durr the 4chan community hurts my feelings so the entire community of the game is also mean
you realize how retarded you are, right?
>>338453963
>4 is shit pure and utter shit.
nice reasons
>>338453902
Its only cosmetics...
Can't tell, it's in barely-functional-alpha territory, and the publisher client sucks ass.
>>338453738
I only play like QW and CPM and I can tell you with 100% certainty that that piece of shit game is going to be popular for a long, long time. Literally anything that Blizzard develops and publishes will be. Believe me, I wish it would fail, because it makes me sad to know that I can't even get enough people together to play a game of Quake and that my only hope for anything similar in the future is to have a company as big as Blizzard or Valve to decide that that's the next genre they make big.
The porn's good though so thanks to all of you idiots for spending $40 to give patreon people internet welfare so I can jack off to 3D bitches.
>>338453973
>(you)
>>338453979
I asked you for facts now please show me them
>>338453684
A lot of deathmatch FPS people are unpleasant because the games are 100% dead and it stings to have to watch thriving communities while yours is on its deathbed.
>>338454060
it's literally not. you can pay to have extra vehicles on the field for yourself.
>>338453964
It's always preferable to have money separated from any sort of ingame advantage. Let skill be skill, and let no one's wallets affect their prowess
>>338454168
halo isn't an arena shooter that's why it's bait
>>338454285
how isnt it?
haven't played 5 btw, last one I played was reach
>>338454091
>I only play like QW and CPM and I can tell you with 100% certainty that that piece of shit game is going to be popular for a long, long time. Literally anything that Blizzard develops and publishes will be.
like hots?
>>338454285
It is, it's just that every Halo game post-CE is a shitty one.
>>338454050
No need to get so defensive it's merely my opinion.
Shit movement, shitty sensitivity/accel customization, spammy game play.
UT4 is style over substance once again
>>338454168
Go back to playing Halo on your shitbox and let the adults talk kiddo
>>338454168
See? Look at it. I mentioned it exactly here >>338452491
There are desperate, pathetic ps4 owners always lurking in PC game threads trying as hard as they can to justify their $60, 720 'cinematic experiences'
not only is >>338454168 a mobile poster, but he saves those dumbass wojak memes with the PCfat guy
there's always a falseflagger. Like that retard who says Halo5 isn't p2w, or that inbreed claiming arena shooters have 'mean' communities.
Just a bunch of liars spreading their bullshit
Overwatch already did though
>>338454394
it feels like ut99/2k4 and they made specific engine changes to fix mouse controls
I dont know what the fuck you are feeling
>>338454359
Sorry I meant to say dead or effectively non-existent genre. There wasn't a "big" (as in AAA-audience scale) online TCG until Hearthstone and nothing tried to compete with TF2 or fill its niche literally until Overwatch (and don't cite some gay ass chink ripoff either).
No because Overwatch already saved it
>>338454315
>>338454369
>weapon limit
>regenerating health
it has these things so its not an arena shooter
>>338442193
Never talk to me or my wife's Korean son ever again, gaijinn
>>338454315
>aim assist
>barely any strafe jumping or any other mechanics
>regenerating health
you must be joking
>>338435178
It on Steam yet?
Else I can't bother.
>>338454480
mobas are literally the most popular video game genre in the world right now (I don't understand why but these are facts)
>>338454463
Overwatch is more akin to TF2 crossed with WoW battlegrounds. Even TF2 is barely able to be compared to deathmatch games. The biggest defining characteristic of deathmatch games, in my opinion, is armor/health/weapons/etc spawning on the map, which sets up the foundation of the game.
>>338454472
just stop trying to reason with them. They're falseflagging.
Look at >>338454168. Why would someone in a PC arena shooter thread have an anti-PC meme? because he's a console fag trying to spread bullshit
>>338454394
feels a lot like ut99 to me
>>338454636
the core gunplay and movement feels a lot like arena shooters
>>338454472
Literally senpai, ut4 is on par with nu DOOM mp.
into the trash it goes
>>338454508
Halo CE is a game in which most weapons are non hitscan and you exert control over the outcome of the game by Picking Up Weapons And Powerups And Timing Them And Then Fighting To Maintain Control Of Them so yeah, it is. I don't like Halo but at the minimum CE is a deathmatch FPS.
>>338454504
>Overwatch
>arena shooter
>>338454734
>ut4 is on par with nu DOOM mp.
PFFFTAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>338454714
OW and TF2 are to deathmatch games what Spelunky and Nuclear Throne are to roguelikes.
>>338454734
>game made to be like ut99
>ugh its nudoom
why would you go on the internet just to tell lies? and for free too?
>>338454824
true
>>338454734
>>338454802
doom 4 has terrible multiplayer and ut4 is very different
>even more microtransactions
Fucking sad
>>338453356
>Implying I own a console
>hurrr, customization is gay
then why bother putting it in? just another thing for them to half-ass i guess?
>500 people is a gud community
Pic very related.
If you're playing games that aren't fully functional at launch, sounds like you have some shit taste in games. Not that I'm super surprised since you seem
>>338454923
you completely avoided every single point I made. congratulations on showing that you have no real argument, you would have used it if you had one.
>>338454901
I know
I was laughing at his stupidity
>>338454920
cosmetic only
>>338454901
wow you're a genius
thanks for clarifying for us, really confusing (my first day on /v/ lol)
>>338454923
the maps are fully functional and the game hasn't even launched yet that
>>338455020
>guy has a opinion that contrasts with mine
>he's stupid and im not kek
*tips fedora*
>>338455119
stay triggered
>>338455119
he was stupid
>>338455119
>ut99 is like nudoom
he's literally retarded
>>338455020
All other games with "cosmetic only" microtransactions have been fully consumed by them
>>338454923
lol, what the fuck is this?
you're saying the community is dead early in the morning? Of course there aren't going to be a lot of people on right fucking now
Customization isn't done because the current team working on UT4 is small, less than 5 people if I remember correctly. So what if you can't immedaitely pay $30 to pay dress up?
the point of the game is to play it, if you're looking for an inexperience dressing up, then go to the mall and visit the Hot topic shop instead of whining that a game doesn't let you
UT is to arena shooters what mortal kombat is to fighting games.
Pretty sure even tf2 might have a higher skill ceiling. Who ever came up with idea of having sluggish movement with dodging over good fluid movement deserves to be taken out back and shot
>>338455614
>team game has higher skill ceiling than a dueling game
apples and oranges comparisons never work. They just don't.
>>338455723
>UT
>Dueling game
d-dude
just no pffffhahahahahhaa
>>338455809
>pffffhahahahahhaa
not an argument
>>338452960
>pn, xl, dota2, lol, c-s
I've not played in those shit games besides CS, but I came across people who did/do and agree that a good part of the community in those services/games or whatever you want to call them are pretty shitty but saying that a game with a small community are nice is an exageration because it depends on the game. The nicest people I've ever came across were UT and Quake players trying to give eachother advices or just realizing that the fun in games cames from what you can do in them and that is closely related to how good your opponents are so if you are saying that you are better than everybody in those games you basically lost the match since a big part of the fun is fighting people who are better or as good as you, and I think that's why there are less shittrowers in those games but you still came across elitist and jackass in them. I've came across people trowing tauntrums, insults, and beig elitist in Warsow, Tribes:Ascend, SMNC, and it's shit so small you could considerate them dead. Anyway, even when he fucked up sayng "current arena shooter community" when he did not even play currents games, he still has a point saying that people who drag their fucking taste in games ends up trowing shit like that and that could affect the image of the community as a whole for people who might want to join. /v/ and especially /vg/ are the worst places to judge a game anyway, but there is some truth in what he says. I hope Midair does not turn in T:A
>>338455871
Sitting here arguing over opinions doesn't prove a fucking thing. All you can do is sit there and refute every single point until you get the confirmation bias you so desire. If the games so great why are you shilling it so hard instead of oh I don't know playing it?
Oh right it's dead
>>338455083
amazing map selection.
>>338455003
>addresses most points directly
>cites names """"""pros""""" to defend the awful weapons
stay salty nostagiafag
>>338455501
>maps are half-assed
>weapons are half assed
>customization is half-assed
it's just part of the pattern, but apparently all it's """defenders""" get it's jimmies all rustled when you mention it. If you're saying it's okay to be in this shape 2 years down the line because it's only 5 people, i expect this game to be """"released"""" around never.
>>338456019
each mode has different maps and its a free alpha, what were you expecting exactly?
>>338455920
I'll give you that jerks exists, but I would say they are extremely tame to the big, mainstream games
for him to say that the arena shooter community has an obnoxious community shows how little he actually knows, and how deluded he is
>>338452485
Halo 5's MP is great. Doom's is okay, both only sort of qualify
Halo 5 has weapons and power ups on map and arenea shooter map design and gunplay, but it has modern CoD/titanfall esque movement. Most ot the other halo games are proper arena shooters
Likweise, DOOM is an arenea shooter in all but 1 way, in that it has loadouts
>>338454459
>Like that retard who says Halo5 isn't p2w
But it's fucking not, the hell are you even talking about? You could be talking about warzone but that's a special bullshit mode and even then not really.
>>338454369
>implying
>>338456019
>amazing map selection.
I see 12 maps there, all very good maps, and those aren't even the ctf maps. Most competitive shooters nowadays don't have that many comp maps in them, especially TF2 and CSGO, as well as quake 3. That map selection is fine, in fact it is better than most competitive shooters on the market right now. People play dust2 for literally more than a decade, and now you think 12 maps is too little?
You also never actually made any statements on the weapon balance, only that you don't like it. However, the most experience and knowledgeable disagree with you.
Your arrogance is laughable. I would trust a doctor's opinions over yours on whether or not I was sick, that's because you don't have experience and he does.
Additionally, you call the maps "half assed" despite some of them being more than a decade old and being beloved classics. Once again, I'm not arguing with your opinion, I'm cutting through your bullshit.
you're using misinformation and lying to try to argue your way out of this, but each time you post I'm just gonna keep calling out your bullshit and back myself up with proof.
get fucked lmao
>>338456141
a game that doesn't feel like steam shovelware after 2 years and feels like it has potential once it goes into beta. This game has neither.
>>338435279
pc gaming is now the biggest market share for gaming but yeah its dead.
>>338435178
Nothing can save arena shooters because people who say they want areana shooters don't want to play arena shooters and are just in love with the nostalgia of arena shootes.
Unfortunately +6 companies have wasted fortunes making games for these people without realizing that they will reject them out of hand.
>>338456431
you can literally pay for extra warthogs and tanks during a match, and the grind becomes extremely hard at higher levels
again, I'm fighting liars and disinformation, not actual arguments
>>338455994
again, you avoided my argument and resorted to 'ded gaem'.
It's actually funny how much damage control you're on right now
>>338456529
t. millennial who knows everything and opinion is law
>>338456565
5/10 bait m8 try harder next time
>>338456708
once again, not an argument, just ad hominem
this damage control lol
>>338456775
>>338456675
Please I beg you screenshot the shit you are saying, and save it for 5 years then open it up and read it all.
I'll admit you're right if you just do this for me please.
>>338456284
>weapon limit
>slow movement speed
>regen
It's shit
No Halo is a proper arena shooter
>>338456850
once again, you avoided my argument and tried to use ad hominem
go ahead and screenshot me. The only thing that will be saved is me making an argument that I back up with facts, and you immediately going for "ur a faget"
>>338435178
Wasn't it Epic Games that said that consoles were the future? There will never be a good arena shooter anytime soon because all the companies that developed games in that genre lost their touch.
>>338456974
no that was cliffy b
>>338456529
>People play dust2 for literally more than a decade
Oh, so you're someone who plays 2fort all day long. got it.
>You also never actually made any statements on the weapon balance, only that you don't like it. However, the most experience and knowledgeable disagree with you.
You know if you're gonna do that """"apeal to authority"""" shit, you need to actually point to the authority, right? since you asked though:
Bio-gun is useless
flack cannon secondary is useless
enforcer might as well not exist
and that's just off the top of my head from the last time i tried playing
>Your arrogance is laughable. I would trust a doctor's opinions over yours on whether or not I was sick, that's because you don't have experience and he does.
I'm sorry your fee-fees are hurt that not everyone is slurping up this shitty game.
>Additionally, you call the maps "half assed" despite some of them being more than a decade old and being beloved classics.
Man, those rose-colored glasses are a bitch, aren't they?
>>338456850
so I've been lurking in this thread for a good amount of time and I came here to call you an asshole
>>338457191
>flack cannon secondary is useless
why?
>>338456675
REQ shit for halo 5 only is usable in a single unranked mode and even inside that mode buying REQ's with actual money doesn't give you an advantage over using the in game currency
>>338456852
half of the halo games don't have regen health, and even the ones that do have it so slow it might as well not regen.
Movement in halo isn't actually slow, it's just that the environments and stuff in them are realistically scaled. You walk at around 20 mph and run at 36.
UT4 has a weapon limit, doesn't it?
Also, any single qualifier is artbitary. I'd consider having no loadouts a pretty key part of what makes an arenea shooter an arena shooter, but DOOM has them and still has areana shooter like map design, movement, and gunsplay.
>>338457318
>UT4 has a weapon limit, doesn't it?
of course not
>I'd consider having no loadouts a pretty key part of what makes an arena shooter an arena shooter, but DOOM has them and still has arena shooter like map design, movement, and gunsplay.
unless they remove the weapon limit it isn't an arena shooter
>>338457191
>Oh, so you're someone who plays 2fort all day long. got it.
projecting, not an argumenet
>Bio-gun is useless
>flack cannon secondary is useless
>enforcer might as well not exist
biogun is for setting sneaky traps, not direct combat. This is what's known as weapon variety.
the flak cannon secondary is great for indirect fire, and one flak ball can kill someone
the enforcer is a fast firing 5 hit kill gun. In fact, some players feel it is too good in the community.
once again, you show a lack of experience and knowledge
>I'm sorry your fee-fees are hurt that not everyone is slurping up this shitty game.
once again, you do not have an argument, but rather an insult. this shows that you have no real reason to disagree with me other than desperately trying to retain your pride.
>Man, those rose-colored glasses are a bitch, aren't they?
again and again, you try to weave away from the conversation and say "ur a faget". Why don't you just give up? you have literally no argument to support your beliefs, at all
surely you would have given me a reason why you feel the way you do if you had one
>>338457191
>flack cannon secondary is useless
literally wut
>>338457619
Since you're dense, I'll spell it out for you in small words, I'm saying you only like the game because you would play anything named UT in hopes of getting back the glory days of arena shooters. I am telling you, this game ain't gonna do that. ever. never ever.
>biogun is for setting sneaky traps, not direct combat. This is what's known as weapon variety.
too bad none of the levels are built for that kind of gameplay. and the movement allows you to negate traps with ease.
>the flak cannon secondary is great for indirect fire, and one flak ball can kill someone
now who is making things up? flak cannon secondary shrapnel hits like a pillow.
>the enforcer is a fast firing 5 hit kill gun. In fact, some players feel it is too good in the community.
again, these imaginary pros in your imaginary community think i'm wrong, what a surprise.
>once again, you do not have an argument, but rather an insult. this shows that you have no real reason to disagree with me other than desperately trying to retain your pride.
you made a shitty analogy, how did you want me to respond?
>Since you're dense, I'll spell it out for you in small words, I'm saying you only like the game because you would play anything named UT in hopes of getting back the glory days of arena shooters. I am telling you, this game ain't gonna do that. ever. never ever
See, this is where you show everyone just how far behind the argument you are.
In any discussion, it is important to debate an idea based on its merits, rather than accuse someone of having a certain characteristic.
Your accusations of me chasing the wisps of former glory do not actually prove me wrong, or prove you right. At no point, during this entire thread, have you once actually addressed my argument.
If I were wrong, it would be easier and faster for you to just do so. But instead, you rely on insults instead. You lack intellectual honesty, you do not have the capability of putting forth a coherent thought. Because you are not mature, you resort to childish antics such as insulting your adversary.
>too bad none of the levels are built for that kind of gameplay. and the movement allows you to negate traps with ease.
You can put blobs around corners, as well as on lift walls. A lot of lift walls are sometimes obscured by the ceiling, so players don't see them often. And if they do see them, the biotrap also lets you know where your opponent is on the map.
Again, you lack actual knowledge on the game and make baseless assumptions.
>now who is making things up? flak cannon secondary shrapnel hits like a pillow.
It does 100 damage on a direct hit, which means skillful players can kill freshspawns in just one hit. Saying "it hits like a pillow" shows that you are the one making things up.
>again, these imaginary pros in your imaginary community think i'm wrong, what a surprise.
you're welcome to visit the UT4 forums any time anon
>you made a shitty analogy, how did you want me to respond?
I want you to come up with an argument, instead of running away from mine each time.
>>338458623
>>338458065
forgot to mention, a flak ball also does 100 on a direct MINIMUM. It does 190 if the shards hit as well
>>338458775
>>338458623
Just stop replying him, he's literally autistoc
>>338458886
bad opinions are like mold anon. You must expose them to sunlight if you want them gone
>>338458939
>>338458775
>>338458623
>>338458065
huh, guess he got tired of shitposting
>>338456180
Yep, I agree that he does not knows what he is talking about and that he fucked up plenty of times by talking about games he was not playing and on top of that pretending that his point was refering to threads in this site o reddit instead of people in the games itself when he actually refered to community as a whole, but there is something true to get from his comment and thats how annoying and unwelecoming the people who talk about the skillfull games they play while trowing shit at everything else can be. Even when it can take you from minutes, to hours, weeks or months to get decent at those games depending on how much you play per week, who you are playing against, and other games you've played, it's easy to see how annoying it can be to see people jumping in other people's games and talk shit about how bad they feel that just casual games exist and everyone but them are scrubs. If more people would share the videos online that are about improving your game and have more fun, people would be more into getting into them, but these widemount assholes keep being elitist about playing skillfull games (not even being good at them, just playing them) and creating those images about the games and the players. Just see how many games have shitty tutorials and you see people in YT talking about how they wanted to keep playing to try somethin new/coll they saw on YT and that keep new players joining in. Instead, you have people who just like to brag about being better.
>>338458623
>>It does 100 damage on a direct hit, which means skillful players can kill freshspawns in just one hit. Saying "it hits like a pillow" shows that you are the one making things up.
>the flak cannon secondary is great for indirect fire, and one flak ball can kill someone
Sounds like you don't know what you're talking about.
>In any discussion, it is important to debate an idea based on its merits, rather than accuse someone of having a certain characteristic.
comedy gold coming from someone who started out talking about "console babies" and "sonyggers" because someone doesn't like their game.
>Your accusations of me chasing the wisps of former glory do not actually prove me wrong, or prove you right.
They do prove that you would eat up anything just to try and and have it be the glory days again. If you can't see that it's not, well, idk what to tell you.
>you're welcome to visit the UT4 forums any time anon
no thanks, I'll stick to reading about games i care about.
>I want you to come up with an argument, instead of running away from mine each time.
what is you're argument so far? that it's not a complete dumpster fire and it's UT, so it's beyond criticism?
>>338459395
Sorry I'm not sitting around waiting for the UT defense force to reply. I'm playing games I enjoy.
>>338459575
let's just be nice to the noobs ingame, I think that is best
>>338459612
you know what, this is getting boring now. Go ahead and screencap this like you threatened you would.
Each post you have made has not had a coherent thought. Not once have you given me any sort of reason or cause of why you feel the way you do.
Instead, you insult others. Your posting revolves around calling others names. You don't hold conversations with the people around you. If anybody disagrees with you, your first and only strategy is to insult them.
Look at your entire post. Where did you respond to what I said? Not once did you read anything, or think about it.
This is unironic, because you feel inclined to challenge those who you disagree with, but you're not up to the challenge of proving yourself right. Instead, like the insecure person you are, you insult others.
A tell-tale sign of someone who does not believe in their own thoughts or feelings is when they immediately resort to name calling.
One day, you will mature and respond with your own thoughts and beliefs backed by reasoning. Until then, I'll be waiting for a more adult response from you.
>>338459612
This is autism. It isnt regular autism, it's weaponized retardation designed by top secret military scientists from the Soviet to infect others
>>338459575
More or less; when the problem is people not getting into the games in the first place, and on top of that trying to keep those players instead of being disgusted/scared away by the attitude of the players and also the skill level difference, I would say it's a pretty decent topic to be concerned about. If those games had decent ranking, even when shit like good players from other games and smurf accounts will exist, and thing like what T:A did with tutorials, working more o less together with the community to create or feature tutorials so people can see that it can be fun getting into those games, then you could help with the life of the game a little bit. Trying to keep players is hard enought, trying to keep them is even harder. I think the developers could affect that a little bit with things like featuring videos and rankings to make it more friendly to new players.
dont like the new UT. too much UT3 not enough UT2k4. moves slow and the modding model they're gonna us will do more harm than good.
>>338460253
the running speed should be the base speed. sliding shouldn't slow you down.
I'm beginning to think it's a dying genre because arena shooter players are elitist assholes and no one wants to play with them, judging from this thread
>>338460369
>I haven't read the thread: the post
>>338459575
Holy shit. I'm being so retarded today; I missquoted twice.
>>338459660
