I thought this game was going to be overhyped shit but it's actually really fucking incredible. I just got to the part were Luca Blight made that bitch act like a pig and just fucking murdered her. Shit is hardcore
Anyways let's have a thread about this game. I can easily see this being my top 3 favorite JRPGs of all time
It is tied with Chrono Trigger and Dragon Quest VIII as my favorite JRPG. And if the series didn't fall apart, Suikoden would easily be my favorite video game series overall. Suikoden I-III is still the best ongoing story I've seen in video games. Its just incomplete.
Also, you should stop posting here and go play the game. Before you get spoiled. You're not even 10% through the game.
>>338418474
How long is the game?
I wish I could get into it, but the combat system sucks so much ass that I always drop it a few hours in. I'm sure the story is great and all, but the game itself isn't fun to play for me. Bummer.
Take your time with the game and vary your party loadout as you progress, there's a certain boss battle a fair bit into the game where you'll be thankful that you did this
Also upgrade the MC's weapon level rating thing (at the blacksmith I think? It's been years since I've played this game) over time too, there are duels later on where this is actually an important factor
>>338420094
>I wish I could get into it, but the combat system sucks so much ass
>>338419908
Depends on how much side content you do. Some people can beat it in 10 hours. I usually beat it in about 25. A first time player may take 35-40 hours.
And of course, one of the characters doesn't join your party unless you get to that point of the story within 10 hours.
>>338420607
>And of course, one of the characters doesn't join your party unless you get to that point of the story within 10 hours.
Who?
>>338420094
>the combat system sucks so much ass
Fucking kill yourself.
>>338421110
>>338421857
There's not time restriction for him to join, you're thinking about his questElza was a qt
>>338418056
good taste OP
one of my all time favorite games
>>338422183
This. There are however characters that only join for a period of time, so be prepared to visit places again and again to be sure if you want to grab all of them.
But I wouldn't even go for all 108, or even the best ending on the first playthrough. Just enjoy the game. I think I only went for that on my third or fourth time playing the game.
>>338422225
>ywn have an imouto like Nanami
>>338422501
I've never been able to find how to recruit the guy making bath on my own or that fucking squirrel
>>338422225What are they doing after the end of II?
>>338422812
>that fucking squirrel
There are multiple squirrels. On top of my head I only remember the one right in the beginning, when you had to walk behind the tree above your home, and the one that randomly joined you on the worldmap beneath that library city.The ghost story was best story. That was old-school jrpg perfection
>>338422892
adventuring in that foreign kingdom that the next game was maybe supposed to take place in
>>338423431
*by next I mean after 3
>>338423071
All the squirrels apart from that first one, join you randomly in battle in the overworld area between Two River, Library city, and uh Knight place.
>>338423592
The story was eventually suppose to lead to all the surrounding nations, the nations you saved in Suikoden I-III, teaming up to fight a war against Harmonia.
>>338424014
I wonder if her rune had other powers beside turning people into vampire
So much wasted potential man
>>338420094
the combat does suck, i have no idea what those idiots are saying
>>338422892
Didn't you get the best ending? The last image literally showsthem setting out to an adventure, backpacks and all
OP again
Are there any characters that can be missed easily? Because so far I'm having an easy time recruiting everybody. Just completed the part where you lose the mercenary base to Luca
I'm so addicted to this game
>>338424385
>>338424212
There are well over two dozen characters who had enough backstory to have their own game. A game focused on Sierra, Viki or Jeane would have been better than the prequel games we got.
>>338424532
prove me wrong
i was able to auto attack in the game
>>338424460
You could just google missable characters in Suikoden 2, to get a list and keep the spoilers to the minimum. There are certainly a few you will most likely miss, if you don't know where and when to look for them. I mean the game has 108 after all, so its only natural that they don't all run into your arms
>>338424460
thats like a time difference of 10 minutes since your last "progress" post. stop looking for attention u lil shit
>>338424640
>prove me wrong
>doesn't even have an argument of any kind besides ad hominem and "it sucks"
>>338424861
i just auto attack the average random encounter and used rune for bosses
its shit
>>338424861
nigga i love the games but you are just acting like a retard if you think the combat is anything but average
its flexible though
>>338418056
I bet you love shounen anime too.
>>338420094
>the combat system sucks so much ass
The music, writing, translation, characters and level design are even worse.
>>338424861
Not him, but is it necessary to reiterate why the traditional "press attack until it dies" combat system is terrible? We've known it was terrible for decades and no RPG uses it anymore.
I got my legit castle to level 2 but it started feeling tedious so I stopped playing it. Plus bad translations just piss me off.
No real urge to pick it up again, wasn't hooked. I'm a huge JRPG fan too. Luca Blight might have been edgy in the 90s but he seemed like a caricature to me.
>>338424532
>>338424861
how about you weeb fuck off
you guys love to shit up a good series
>>338424972
>the option to auto attack is shit
Is this your supposed argument? Its laughably pathetic
>>338425118
>We've known it was terrible for decades and no RPG uses it anymore
You obviously haven't played an RPG in some while.
>>338425280
not him, just stop
go shit up a #fe thread not suikoden
>>338425264
>>338425507
typical stupid weeb
didnt even post the 10000X10000 version of it
just fuck off if you cant shitpost correctly
>>338425410
Name an RPG outside of indieshit that uses the Final Fantasy 1 battle system.
>people (probably samefags) shitting up a Suikoden 2 thread
I didn't believe it. I didn't think it was real, but Neo-/v/ is actually a thing. One can only shae his head when reading some of the plebeian drivel in this thread
>>338425690
you mean the guy posting anime?
Time for some art. Shitposters please go.
>>338425828
did i stutter?
post the 10000X10000 version of it or fuck off
>the combat sucks
I don't think anyone, even the developers, are going to claim the combat in Suikoden was amazing. The focus was put on thestory, even more than in a Final Fantasy game. But I'd still contend that the runes, combined skills, 6 party system and unique characters makes Suikoden's combat better than any Final Fantasy game.
>>338425641
That sentiment doesn't even make any sense. You were obviously referring to S2 using said "hit it until it dies" system, so that alone would be a game you're looking for.
Literally all JRPGs use that very system in one form or another to this very fucking day. There's absolutely no fucking sense to anything you said there.
>>338425909
If anyone has any specific character/couple/group requests I'll see what I can do.
>>338422501
I did and it's really not that hard. You just need to remember a handful of information to not fuck up.
From the top of my mind there are only like two situations where you can permanently fuck up a completionist run. Picking the wrong great beasts which was a male and a female octopuss and not recruiting the two guys in the section where you can never return to.
Picking up all 108 stars and having the best ending is sure a highlight you don't want to miss out on.
>>338426079
The Suikoden 2 combat system in no way changes up the FF1 formula outside of the partnership moves, which are simply lengthy, animated basic attacks.
If it makes you feel better, then, name a recent RPG that uses the S2 combat system. Every modern RPG at a bare minimum puts a twist on the old style.
>>338425958
final fantasy was never good either
its hardly a comparison
>>338425958
>makes Suikoden's combat better than any Final Fantasy game
not really, the combat in X, Tactics and V blow it away, and I'd sooner take an ATB FF over its combat
there's nothing wrong with it, it's just average and it doesn't help that the game is really easy aside from Luca
I liked its story better than most if not all of the FF ones tho
>>338426227
>>338426158
>I did and it's really not that hard
Yeah if you use a guide. There are so many little things to miss that shit on the good ending, or at least looking shit up once in a while, the chances of getting it, are very slim.
There are definitely way more situations where you can fuck up your run. Be it hidden characters or not taking Nanami, without knowing what and where, its nigh impossible.
>>338426416
>>338426558
This is true. Getting the best end in Suikoden 2 is definitely a lot harder compared to any other Suikoden game.
>>338426319
You still don't make any fucking sense. You probably fucked it up by calling it "hit it until it dies" which literally applies to 99% of everything.
>>338426558
There is nothing wrong with using a guide and JRPGs are in the category of games you don't want to replay for at least 5-10 years so it's good to get the most out of your first playtrough.
>>338425690
I'm the guy who posted about the combat system sucking at the beginning of the thread. I didn't think you guys would shit yourselves over a simple opinion this hard.
It's not even that the combat system is bad. But the combat system doesn't feel good enough for a game that I should play for 30 or 40 hours FOR ME (this is the important part), it just doesn't hold my interest. I played tons of jrpg, but I also dropped tons of them when the gameplay just doesn't feel entertaining.
Arguably, the combat system in Breath of Fire 3 isn't good either. But it still feels entertaining to me. This is simply personal preference, there is no objective metric to judge a turnbased menu combat system by, it's all subjective.
I don't see how this is controversial. Why would I bother keep playing the game, when I don't care for any of the actual game mechanics that are in it?
Honestly, this entire reaction to a simple opinion is incredibly immature and makes me think the S2 fanbase consists of children that can't accept differing opinions. Fucking sad.
>>338426567
I'm playing Suikoden III right now
It's fucking hilarious putting all five dogs in my party and watching story cutscenes with the MC's legion of dogs behind him
>>338426810
its just an autistic guy starting shit and the other guy who agrees with you who is mad as hell
>>338426810
>the S2 fanbase
More like a reflection of /v/ if anything
>>338426810
>and makes me think the S2 fanbase consists of children that can't accept differing opinions
yep, a couple autistic people in a thread with less than 20 IPs means that an entire fanbase is shit.
You didn't need to post this follow-up at all to be honest.
>>338426706
I'm not sure how I can make this any clearer to you. In S2, the only thing you do -- the only choice you make -- in combat is press the attack button (or whichever skill is most damaging) until the enemy is dead, occasionally stopping to use an item. Maybe this changes at some point in the game, but 10+ hours in this is all that was necessary.
If that describes 99% of modern RPGs, then you're the one who hasn't played any.
>>338426383
>not really, the combat in X, Tactics and V blow it away
No, it really doesn't. FFX is better than most FF games, but is really poor compared to almost anything else. You have less options for attack in FFX than a game like Dragon Quest II on NES.
Is FFTactics the only Tactics game you ever played? Because it has so many flaws as a Tactics game. Its major strength is the character customization (aka class system). But that doesn't overtake the flaws of the combat engine.
FFV is the same as Tactics. Good class system bogged down by the shit ATB system.
>>338418056
Dead franchise. I liked Suikoden 5 but the sales were so low that it killed the entire franchise. Square should have taken it, too bad.
>>338427074
well considering how small the fanbase is
20 is pretty significant
>>338427108
>Square should have taken it
Then it would have just died under them too. Since Suikoden isn't Final Fantasy or Kingdom Hearts. Suikoden would have also been shit if someone like Nomura or Toriyama got ahold of writing the story.
No, pretty much the series should have died with Suikoden III when the original creator/writer/director left.
>>338427173
The cooking minigame was the best! Surprised no one has mentioned it so far.
>>338426810
the combat in s2 is fucking trash. there's no justifiable reason to have 6 party members, since every pair only has maybe 1-2 moves at most. if you could swap them out during battle maybe it'd be different. also, it's laughably easy, and there are way too many same-y characters. the cusomization system doesn't help things much either. it's like a gimped materia system.
>>338427294
>>338427107
they are still bettter than the combat in S2 though, especially X with the CTB system
and there is literally nothing wrong with the ATB system
>>338427278
I know IV is irredeemable trash, but is V really that bad too? I'm planning to play it after I finish III
>>338427401
Also, not sure how many Suikoden fans are in this thread that keep up with series news, but the two Suikogaiden games are both fully translated now.
The only thing that makes this game a 9/10 instead a 10/10 for me is that you play some underage milkboy and everyone pretends that you're important for some reason.
>>338427074
Those 20 people are the contact point for me with the fanbase. And my first impression is that you're all children. But that has probably to do more with /v/ than with your taste in games.
I can post whatever I like, I just wanted to make my standpoint clearer.
>>338427492
V apes II a lot so it can't be bad, it's just derivative
>>338427501
>>338427558
Why the fuck are you even still posting, this is the dumbest argument I've seen on /v/ all day
>>338418056
You're nowhere dude.
The writing in this game has yet to be topped
It's so fucking memorable.
It took hundreds of you to kill me but I killed THOUSANDS!
I am sublime!
I am the true fave of evil!
what were good mechanics of this game?
>>338427652
>Why the fuck are you even still posting
Because your Janitor Application got denied, I guess.
>>338427512
I love how III gives you options to play as an older mercenary or a lady knight as well as generic teenage boy #274 for MC
>>338427614
Best girl.
>>338427730
the unite attacks and the duels
>>338427730
the dice game was fun.
>>338427492
A few people love it. But as a huge Suikoden fan, I felt like it lacked everything that made Suikoden good. Basically, you can't just throw 108 characters into a political story and expect it to be a Suikoden game. Let alone good.
>>338427720
>It took hundreds of you to kill me but I killed THOUSANDS!
>I am sublime!
>I am the true fave of evil!
I also enjoy Akame Ga Kill and Attack on Titan.
>>338418056
would've been better with a smaller cast.
>>338427730
The best thing about this game is hands down that your castle grows and gets more alive as you collect more and more units to your army. Every game should have a home base. Shit is so comfy.
>>338422183
could someone summarize his quest?
>>338427558
You're being as autistic as the small handful of guys you're getting upset over, that's all my point was.
>>338428029
Luca had a hard life.
>>338428205
>>338428205
Nah he was always a monster
>>338428205
>all anyone talks about
>not even the main antagonist
I started the first suikoden before this one but really wasn't that interested. is it necessary to play that first, or can I just start with II?
>>338426687
And yet I still like the normal ending the best.
>>338428417
Most people only care about direct conflict in stories. Not the nuance. That's why shit like murder mysteries and police procedurals are the most popular stuff on TV.
>>338428304
>>338427426
>there is literally nothing wrong with the ATB system
>>338428417
He was incredibly memorable, their execution of him was great, he felt legitimately terrifying
>>338428608
there isn't, but keep memespouting, it makes your argument look really credible
>>338428484
play the first one
if you want to get more invested in the characters
>>338428417
There are a lot of antagonists in Suikoden 2, yeah. I think most of the Highland ones get talked about pretty equally. Except Lucia, but she gets to shine in Suikoden 3. Who would you like to talk about, anon?
>>338428758
>>338428484
Yes I played 2 without ever playing 1 because the games are extremely similar and I just wanted to play the best of them.
>>338428758
You know Suikoden II is one of my favorite games and I'm nearing the end of III right now and I still cannot remember Lucia being in II
WHAT A COINCIDENCE
I just started playing the first one today. Only got the part where Ted gives you his rune, but I love it so far.
Isn't it popular opinion that II is better than the first? I can't wait to play II if that is true.
>>338429013
Really? I always remember her because her boss fight always gave me the most trouble compared to any other fight in the game. Why? Not sure. I really liked her in both games. She really feels like the ideal "strong woman" trope, because she is a talented fighter and leader that doesn't sacrifice the tenderness of motherhood for it.
The protagonist makes several poor decisions that gets the shit beat out of him throughout the game. Gut punched, slashed, whipped, slapped. And yet they still want him to lead.
>>338427426
>FFX is better because I said so
In that case, I say Suikoden II is better.
>and there is literally nothing wrong with the ATB system
Its a turn based system with a time limit. It defeats the entire purpose of a turn based system. You may not care so much because all you really need to do in a FF game is spam attack and heal. Oh wait, that's the other major flaw of ATB.
>>338429245
Besides Luca and Jowy the only ones I can actually remember are Gorudo and Neclord
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EomxlxMd_k
>>338429449
Gorudo was a real asshole.
Neclord felt kind of forced compared to his appearance in Suikoden 1, though that might be just me.
>>338420094
>but the combat system sucks so much ass
people actually like it so much because it's so fast paced with the simultaneous turns.
>>338429609
Yeah I remember it felt kind of strange that my army stopped what we were doing to go kill some vampire holed up in his castle
The confrontation and music made up for it though
>>338429445
>Turn based system with a time limitThis is not automatically a bad thing
>You may not care so much because all you really need to do in a FF game is spam attack and heal.
>Oh wait, that's the other major flaw of ATB.
The flaw you listed here has nothing to do with the system itself, only the difficulty curve that the developers chose to roll with.
Suikoden isn't hard either if you wanted to pull the difficulty card.Not the guy you have been talking to by the way
>>338429449
You mustn't forget yuber, the devil every neckbeard wanted to be.
>>338429726
His role in II was so minor that I didn't even count him
Doesn't he just make you fight a dragon once and then fuck off
>>338429445
>It defeats the entire purpose of a turn based system.
It doesn't tough, the purpose of turn based systems is being able to input commands manually to multiple party members, and you still get to do that in ATB games
putting a time limit on turns is not inherently a bad thing
and let's not pretend you do anything in a suikoden game except spam auto for the majority of the game
>>338429830
He ran the fuck off in every game
>>338426158
>Picking up all 108 stars and having the best ending is sure a highlight you don't want to miss out on.
>best ending
honestly I think the best experience is to just go blind and fuck up the ending for the first run because the bad end is solid on its own, especially if you forget to go straight to it in the first place and end up having to learn the long way.
>>338429252
I think they wanted him more as a role instead of actually leading. Like he was the son of some great leader in the past and had the legendary rune so they wanted him as a leader for marketing reasons. Though that's just a theory and they probably just wanted him as the leader because he is the protagonist.
What did you guys think ofTierkreis? It wasn't as good as the main games but I liked it a lot for what it was, had some neat ideas
>>338430132
>Though that's just a theory
Pretty sure they tell you that during the game
>>338428484
A lot of people are probably turned off by Suikoden I by the fact that you're first to walk everywhere for the first couple hours of the game until you get elf-dude in your party so you can run.
>>338430193
too anime for my taste
doesn't help that i pirated it so I didn't feel much of a drive to play it beyond 10 minutes. I don't know if i can even say it's in my backlog after this long.
Any other great PS1 JRPG you guys can recommend?
>>338430132
They wanted him to lead. Choosing not to is a very important decision toward the best ending
>>338430796
Wild Arms 1 and 2
>>338430880
Which is the better one?
>>338430796
Tales of Eternia was probably my 2nd or 3rd favourite PS1 JRPG.
And at the time, I was pleasantly shocked to have an JRPG with a combat system like that.
>>338429934
>It doesn't tough, the purpose of turn based systems is being able to input commands manually to multiple party members, and you still get to do that in ATB games
That is not the point of a turn based system. There are games without turn based systems that allow you to do that.
>putting a time limit on turns is not inherently a bad thing
It puts the emphasis on doing things quickly instead of developing a strategy. You may not think that's bad, but some people do.
>and let's not pretend you do anything in a suikoden game except spam auto for the majority of the game
So basically, you're saying Suikoden is worse than Final Fantasy because it has the same flaw as Final Fantasy? Okay dude, whatever you say.
>>338427294
>You will never have Iron Chef battles against a clan of evil chefs that want to take over the world
>>338430871
>Choosing not to is a very important decision toward the best ending
hey spoiler that shit
how will people end up with this ending now
>>338431160
Hey. Try going for the best ending without all 108 characters.
>>338424609
>you will never know who Rikimaru was looking for for his revenge
Even the most minor side character like him had intriguing back story
>>338427492
There's a lot of mixed opinions on V. I love it. It has a complex story, good characters, good intrigue, and makes the battle system a little more engaging. It's long, though, and I think it's a little too drawn out for a lot of people (the "prologue" section takes forever. I really enjoyed it, but I'm a serious minority in that).
Definitely give it a go if you're enjoying the franchise.
>>338429039
Yes. II is god tier. Personally, I rank II > V > III > I > IV
III and I are pretty interchangable for me in terms of enjoyment, though. III tried some really cool things, and it didn't stick the landing with most of them, but I appreciate it for trying.
>>338431365
>The entire plot of V is hinted at in a few random character hints from II
God I love this franchise.
>>338431160
>that terrible feeling you had the first time you watched that ending
You promised and forgot about it. That ending is terribly sad.
>>338431057
>There are games without turn based systems that allow you to do that.
yeah but in games like those the characters usually operate under some A.I. because otherwise the games would become too hectic
there is no such thing in turn based games (or at least there shouldn't be)
what really defeats the purpose of turn based games is including an Auto option
it's like the makers are saying "you know what, the combat is crap, but with Auto at least you can get it over with faster"
and if it takes too long for you to develop a strategy in ATB you can slow the battle speed and set it in Wait mode
>>338431697
Yeah, I knew that Falena wouldget killed by Georg from the very beginning because I remembered his files from Richmond
In 2, did anyone elsenot want to forgive Jowy in the end?Normally I'm all about forgiveness, but something about Jowy I felt was over the line. I liked the way it ultimately tied into rejecting the Rune of Beginning's coercion, but I still think Jowy a shit.
Obligatory in every thread.
>Error: Our system thinks your post is spam. Please reformat and try again.
Fuck off. Just google "Interview with Yoshitaka Murayama" guys for those who didn't read it.
>>338432201
It didn't betray you at first as he killed Anabelle before you sided with Muse.
>>338432201
yeah, you don't get to live a normal life after going through all of that
same goes for Riou
a lot of people died for both of them, and they killed a lot of people
you don't get to be innocent little schoolboys after that
>i spent an entire summer with this game
>brother stole and sold my ps1 copy
>no shop around sold anything "weird" never got another copy till i was adult.
>>338432432
It costs like 200€ now, good luck.I actually own a ohysical copy but I lost the manual
>>338432286
>Is there one particular story in the Genso Suikoden mythos that you wish you had a chance to tell?
>We had a basic premise for what the successors of all 27 True Runes would do in the very end. Though, I cannot touch upon the specific details.
It hurts.
So I've looked up some gameplay videos and it doesn't look very impressive. I know there's a lot of characters, but I prefer quality over quantity; if anything, I see having a bunch of poorly developed characters as a demerit. From what I've heard, it seems the story is the only thing that this game does well, but just how good is the story if it makes up for the rest of the game? Is it better than Tactics Ogre LUCT? Better than Planescape Torment? Better than [actual literature]?
Or is there anything else that makes these games worth playing?
>>338432432
is your brother a junkie or something?
what a shitter
>>338427492
I think people were just disappointed that it didn't top II despite carrying many of the same themes. V was a return to form that couldn't quite muster the same magic. It's still pretty decent though. Worth playing.
>>338432827
can't say about torment, haven't played
but I definitely liked it more than LUCT, especially the PSP version
>>338432678
mine had a manual and a fairly intact box. it to this day is still my favorite game, it grabbed me like no other. i may have given my brother a bloody nose.
>>338432835
I was like 8, he was 12. He got $50 for it, Or i did
>>338432827
> I'd like a full analysis of the literary merits of this rpg please. Convince me that it's worth gracing with my presence and highly refined taste.
Fuck off.
>>338432827
It's well done political intrigue from an era where well-done political intrigue was rare. Good politics, good lore to the world.
I'd say V is the only one that really does a good job making the cast feel truly fleshed out though.
>>338432827
Some of the main characters are some of the most deeply developped characters I've ever seen
>pic related
I'd say it's better than LUCT, COMPLETELY different than PST.
Read the interview>>338432286
"What sort of advice would you give to someone trying to create an impactful and memorable story?
You’ll find similar advice on many How-to-Write-a-Scenario guides, but to write a story is to write about the nature of humankind. Each and every character in a world goes through their lives thinking various thoughts. To portray that is to write a story. When facing hardships, how do humans think? How do they act? Placing yourself in their shoes is the very first step and is needed every step of the way.
In the case of Suikoden, whether it’s a leader, his close confidants, or a common soldier, no matter the character, you have to consider their thought process and how that leads to their actions. When you take it all as a whole, we have a story."
This is why Suikoden 2 is so amazing.
>>338432890
V has some of the worst fucking dongeon designs in all JRPGs that were ever released in the west. That pre-castle dungeon alone is a complete shitfest.
>>338433305
he'd have to play S1 to see how viktor and flik got their start
![1972865-59952[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3H5a6uF.jpg "1972865-59952[1].jpg")
The OST is not only great, but it's also 4 hours long. FOUR HOURS LONG.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PajKwn18Pfk
>tfw Higashino retired to raise her kids
A shame
>>338433776
too bad it's midi so it's aged badly outside of nostalgia
>>338425116
I feel like (you) deserve at least one for trying so hard.
Man I must be the only asshole here who prefers the original. Just didn't feel the same 'magic' with 2, for whatever reason.
>>338433851
What the fuck am I reading.
Music doesn't age.
>>338432039
>one of the hints before Suikoden V came out was that it would feature a character who loved cheesecake
I knew I'd be in for a ride there.
I really enjoyed V
>>338430880
They're both pretty good. Play both.
>>338432765
>tfw no war in the heartland of Harmonia
>tfw no conclusion to Pesmurga hunting Yuber
>tfw no all-star true-rune team
>tfw no more grand adventure with Flik and Viktor after they went off to Harmonia
>tfw your favorite JRPG series will never get a proper send off
>>338431697
God..Why was IV such a trainwreck? What the fuck were they doing with it? I feel like the game legitimately only got interesting during the ending. I didn't even expect the game to end where it did, seemed so light in terms of story.
>>338433994
Same. It has his problems though.
Like how Lucrecia's plan are always completely retarded yet always work thanks to God's will, how quickly the Godwins go from Goliath to David, pretty bad pacing, the worst strategy battles in the franchise, and some horrible and cliché dialogues at some parts.
Overall it's still a very nice game.
Goddamit I love Suikoden threads
>>338434382
Because Murayama had nothing to do with it.
They tried to copy his formula without him and it failed horribly.
They did a better job with 5.
>>338434416
100% agree, Lucrecia almost ruined the game for me. And lord almighty did it drag on for the first 10 hours or so, after that though I couldn't wipe the grin off my face. It was a real return to form after 3 and 4's mis-steps.
>>338434382
In 4's defense, the story does get better and make more sense when you play Tactics along with it. Not that I condone the idea of needing to play a separate game to fully appreciate another, but it does help nonetheless.
>>338434545
>And lord almighty did it drag on for the first 10 hours or so,
There should be a law against JRPGs taking that long to start.
>>338433965
it's fucking midi tracks
you know what i mean
>>338434548
Best character coming through.
>>338434416
>worst strategy battles
V had the best. III was the worst
I kinda feel like playing a PS1 or PS2 era JRPG right now already played through Suikoden 1 and 2 and need recommendations. Was considering playing Suikoden 3 or Wild Arms 3.
>>338434585
That might have enhanced it for me, it just felt like so much was missing in IV. It never really got going. Maybe i'll try out tactics one of these days.
>>338434545
>>338434416
I wasn't a fan of godmode Lucrecia, but she was based on Zhuge Liang, so it makes sense.Shu was the best tactician. Followed by the manga version of Caesar.
>>338434634
>tfw Nina could never fill Odessa's role in Flik's life.
>>338434615
No.
Orchestral isn't necessarily better. Look at how most orchestral versions of early music completely ruin them.
>>338434732
>>338434634Shu beating Leon was one of the best moments of the franchise.
>>338434683
I really enjoyed Tactics. I'm not normally big on SRPGs, but it was a lot of fun. Especially with a completed save from IV for character importing.
>>338434604
I was invested in the series but I don't really blame people for getting turned off. The next 30-40 hours are substantially better though.
>>338434720
Even if it was based on Zhuge it was lame, she singlehandedly took all threat out of every major encounter after her recruitment. Shu was infinitely better.
>>338434830
Best Star, never been topped. Only matched by Georg.
>>338434635
Of fuck I forgot about 3's my bad.
Nah 4 had the best, it's one of the rare things it did well.
>>338434720
Shu was perfect. He was a fucking asshole at first, and his plans were actually intelligent and risky, while Lucrecia was just a flawless Mary Sue with retarded plans that justworkedlol
![gsb5[5].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3coiw93.jpg "gsb5[5].jpg")
>>338434830
Budehuc a shit.
>>338434896The fact that he was willing to put his life on the line for the sake of the plan lifted Shu above all other strategist in the franchise.
>>338434970
>4 had the best
My brother, I loved those ship battles. It had good battle music, and good strategy battles, everything else sucked.
>>338434983
Best outfit or bestest outfit?
>>338434635
I'm in chapter 5 of III now and I still have yet to face a single strategy battle that you're supposed to actually win, so far literally every one has either been survive until you retreat or survive until the enemy retreats
I've also never played another JRPG with this many boss battles you're supposed to lose
>>338435080
3 had the best Jeane(outfit)
Fight me
>>338434634
>Shu is one interesting character out of dozens in Suikoden II
>Mathiu is the best character in Suikoden I
>>338435159
Oh, come on! Even 2 was hotter than 3!
>>338428163
he's from a guild of people who uses guns from the mysterious land that is never really explored.
the guild arranged a fight between two members. some chick won. that dude woke up and was told that she murdered the other guy and fled.
so he chases her across the world to try to bring her to justice for something she didn't do (technically). you have to meet her in certain places within time constraints.
you have to get to the final area within 10 hours to resolve it.
![lucsquared[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/KUcZx3r.jpg "lucsquared[1].jpg")
Hi
>>338435140
I'm doing a replay of the series right now and I am with you, I forgot how many boss fights you are "supposed" to lose. Along with the strategy battles being horrible.
Story remains pretty good, characters are pretty good. Thomas chapters remain a nice diversion, and I forgot how the battle system was clunky.
>>338435326
I loved how Thomas's story felt like a Disney movie all the way to the end
Cecile best girl
>>338435265
Bruh
>>338434829
Midi is objectively worse because the sound set is repetitive/robotic.
Don't tell me you wouldn't like a remaster of the OST. A bad recording is a different matter.
Also, speaking of III, are Watari and Ayame supposed to be parodies of brooding anime ninjas? I find it impossible to take them seriously
![teoareyourdeaf[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/arCHNwe.jpg "teoareyourdeaf[1].jpg")
Even though Suikoden 2 is probably the best objectively, can we all agree that the strongest moment in the franchise is the Pahn vs Teo duel?
>>338435140
Easily the worst part of III. I was pretty overlevelled most of the game, so I usually "won" the battles and was then treated to a cutscene of me losing. It was ridiculous. III tried some cool things, but man, they did not always work out.
The III manga is the best version. It really streamlines things and adds a bit more character nuance.
>>338435469
Ok, I admint they are all hot.
>>338435598
Reminds me of the Maximillian Knights in 5 who were right out of 80's anime
their design was so goddamn jarring compared to the rest of the cast
>>338418056
It's no Xenogears though.
>>338435608
That's not the final battle against Luca Blight.
>>338435691
Then we are in agreement.Viki best girl
>>338435608
>Always used Pahn since fist fighter character
>Win this duel like nothing
>Nobody talks about it afterwards
It's an okay moment but it sort of just forgets itself as well.
>>338435598
Yes.
Just how Sasuke was a parody of the edgy ninja teenager before Uchiha Sasuke was even a thing.
>>338435608
Damn, that duel. I lost the first time and felt like shit. I an previous playthrough I had to grind Pahn like hell, but when I bet Teo it was all worth it.
>>338435467
But it didn't.
>ejected from his dads home
>goes on an aimless adventure
>takes control of a band of losers
>stops his fathers conspiracy to take over Zexen
>everyone pats him on the back and welcomes him back to society
Fuck, it is pretty much the typical story of redemption most Disney movies do. Though done a lot better.
>>338435769
>>338435642
The worst offender was the fucking Sarah fights where you "win" by killing all her mooks because you're not even expected to be able to touch her
And God help you if RNG isn't on your side and she decides to just spam her fire spell at the beginning of every turn
I had to attempt that fight with her on the plains as Hugo like 4 times, which was awful because you couldn't save between the strategy "battle" and it
>>338435778
Yeah it's much better if you actually lose it.
>>338435769
That's not Lorelai
>>338435767
>>338435608
Luca's moment is stronger and the buildup and execution of the whole scene is flawless.
>>338435935
>He is canonically the strongest man in the series
>Doesn't even use runes
Luca is the best.
>>338435608
The strongest moment in the series in terms of emotional impact is the whole side story around Neclord. Which has ties to both Suikoden I and II.
Either that or Yun's death.
>>338435924
A Lorelai is fine too.I was pleased to see her and Killey in V
>>338435935
Few games made a fight as hype as that.Wipes out 3 parties of 6Shot full of arrowsStill comes at you for a one-on-one duel
![suik5_01[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vt92kqm.jpg "suik5_01[1].jpg")
>>338436078
Was she really a Sindar?
She after says she was joking but why would she do this?
>>338436118
Or you could put Zamza with a rune to make him immune to fire and he would then easily solo Luca.
>>338434829
>Orchestral isn't necessarily better. Look at how most orchestral versions of early music completely ruin them.
I'm not sure what you mean by this but I wish more people would do a remix of the suikoden tracks (and really other games plagued with low-quality instrumental tracks).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0YIBMmoRsk
into this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7DJtKf5xFI
>>338418056
>Playing through the series again
>Almost done with 3, contemplating 4.
Does V emulate well? My car just tanked on me so I can't afford to drop 70 on a game right now.
Anyone care to spoil the events of 3 for me?
I want to know specifically what happened to Luc
>>338436442
>I'm not sure what you mean by this but I wish more people would do a remix of the suikoden tracks
Despite being such overlooked, low budget games, Suikoden got multiple official remixes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xwgF2ulvxM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN7_g3RvXVE
>>338436268
No one knows
They never explain further than that
If anything killey is the more suspicious one
>>338436535
Yes, and there are voices patches if you don't want to suffer the terrible american voice acting (outside Georg who was decent)
>>338436535
Get the undub. It works well and will save you from earrape
>>338436757
Thanks brother. I'll look into it. I don't remember hating the VA back when I first played it, but then again I think I was fine with most english VA back then because I didn't know the difference.
>>338436535
>contemplating 4.
dont bother
you have better use of your time surely. Even V is debatable. It's the closest to II but it's unpolished.
>>338436578
He tried to collect all the true runes in an effort to use Sindar magic to destroy them, thus removing any reason for war.
Then he died before he could achieve this.
>>338427108
>Dead franchise.
There's a campaign on the Suikoden fan Facebook page to get Suikoden II on Steam. I've been a huge fan of Suikoden (at least the first two and the world they take place in) since I played Suikoden II for the first time on Playstation in middle school.
>I liked Suikoden 5 but the sales were so low that it killed the entire franchise.
I beat Suikoden I and got to the last save point on Suikoden II on my PSX copy years ago. And then I tried III and couldn't get into it. Where the other ones good and is III worth playing for the story?
>MFW finding out about the Matilda border skip that you can do early in the game, without the internet
>>338436717
>Asian Collection
I don't think that flavor is working very well for most, but this one is pretty fitting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-ebnuWn0PU
>>338437029
III's story is very different. I liked it, but a lot of people didn't. If you didn't get into the game, it may not be worth it for you. It's very long, and has long stretches of being dull. Consider picking up the manga.
>>338436717
another great one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI2cN_AUK9w
thank you anon
>>338437134
>Riou watching Nanami sleeping peacefully
>Jowy hiding to do the same
;_;
>>338437260
>but a lot of people didn't.
coming from Suikoden II into a plot that was essentially just a border skirmish of some sorts, it was underwhelming regardless of what writing genius they could have done.
>>338437302
Ton't forget Kasumi stalking Tir.
So anyone got working links to download III and V so I can play it on my emulator?
>>338437134
>Viki moments before blinking away to Budehuc
Will she ever enjoy a feast?
>>338428484
>I started the first suikoden before this one but really wasn't that interested. is it necessary to play that first, or can I just start with II?
You can actually play them in any order. But if you play I and then load your save for II you get to do a special quest with the hero of I and IIRC the characters stats carry over.
I played Suikoden II on PSX before I even knew about Suikoden I. Then I emulated and played the first one and started a second game of II with my save from that.
Suikoden I is worth going back and playing because you get to see the back stories for multiple of the 108 stars of destiny that are in both games. Just be prepared for how small the first one is compared to the second. There is a huge jump in design quality between I and II, and it's especially noticeable in the larger city and town environments.
>>338437029
Suikoden III has the largest and arguably best story in the series. It is just incomplete, similar to a game like Chrono Cross. A manga was later made that managed to put the broken events together in a more recognizable form. As well as developing side characters more.
There's two Suikogaiden games which have good stories focused on more development to scenes you didn't see in Suikoden II. As the two games take place during the events of Suikoden II. It also expands more on characters like Viki and Sierra.
Suikoden IV and V are pretty much self contained stories with no real memorable parts to them. And weren't written by the original creator/writer of Suikoden I-III. So that leaves the player to judge them on their merits of gameplay and design. Suikoden IV fails at these as well. While Suikoden V is basically the combat of Suikoden II, but 10x slower. And doesn't have the amazing world that Suikoden II has. Suikoden IV honestly shouldn't exist and Suikoden V feels more like a Golden Sun game than a Suikoden game. That is, if a Golden Sun game had 108 characters.
>>338436063
