OBSIDIAN X BETHESDA PARTNERSHIP?
its just a little friendly joking around
>some people really believe Obsidian is NOT working on a new fallout
lmao
what kind of amateur handles their twitter?
>>338373617
>fun not allowed
fuck off man
I hope Obsidian makes the next Fallout game.
>>338373050
Didn't Bethesda rig Metacritic scores to deprive Obsidian of a multi-million dollar bonus they would have otherwise gotten?
>>338375814
Thanks for clearing that up Todd.
>>338375651
nah Bethesda wouldn't do something like this
money is not an issue
>>338373050
Hopefully not, Obsidian has better things to do, quite literally.
>>338375651
I know about the depriving Obsidian of their bonus because of Metacritic part, but I'm not sure if they rigged it.
>>338375651
They didn't rig anything, but in the contract it explicitly said that if they got 85% on MetaCritic they'd get a sizable bonus. However since New Vegas got 84%, they never received the Bonus.
I mean they were literally 1% off from getting the bonus, they could be a little nice and say it was close enough. However no, contract is a contract.
>>338376010
BUT I WANT A GOOD FALLOUT GAME, ANON
IT'S BEEN SIX YEARS
>>338375932
Do you really believe that?
>>338375651
Obsidianiggers are this deluded?
Your game is shit, 3 was better
>>338375651
>>338375932
>
>>338375459
>fun not allowed
But that literally IS Obsidian's motto.
>>338376118
Both were kinda shit because of the state of the engine.
>>338376118
People who can articulate a thought with more nuance than "all capslock, 10/10, suck it Obshitian" tend to disagree.
>>338376118
I hate Obsidian and their incompetence, but NV was a better RPG than 3.
>>338376532
In what way?
>>338375651
>>338376067
>Didn't Bethesda rig Metacritic scores
>They didn't rig anything
It is as hard to disprove as it is to prove, the real question is, would this kind of behavior be above a company that very likely has sent their clandestine "public relations" to this site and others?
>>338376532
And 4 is better than NV
>>338376750
maybe in shooting mechanics
>>338376118
The NV circlejerk is still going strong
>>338375651
>both Fallout 3 and New Vegas were broken as fuck on launch thanks to the decrepit gamebryo engine
>New Vegas got shit for it but F3 was relatively unscathed
I bought both at launch, and New Vegas fucked up my saves a little too often, but I had way more bugs and overall issues with F3
It would make sense to buy them
What are they doing nowdays? small steam RPGs that's not very exciting
shame Chris Avellone left now if they get to do the next Fallout I'm sure he'd like to work on it
>>338376924
Fallout had biased reviews due to being a revival of an old series in a 3d engine with the same loot system oblivion had.
Basically reviewers were impressed for stupid reasons
>>338376750
Not a better rpg since it isn't even an rpg anymore
>>338376823
Thanks to id most likely
>>338377189
>Not a better rpg since it isn't even an rpg anymore
Except that it is.
>>338377337
It literally isn't.
FO4 has NO RPG elements left at all. Borderlands is more of an RPG than FO4 is.
>>338377424
Anon do you know what an RPG is?
>>338375651
>>338376067
Not directly but Bethesda was responsible for the QC part and they did an awful job. Which resulted into NV getting minus points for bugs and so falling below the 85 meta line.
>>338375651
We only know that Bethesda would have given a bonus to Obsidian if it scored 85 on metacritic, but it only scored 84. We don't know how much money the bonus would have been.
>>338375651
There's no proof that they did. Seeing as Fallout 4 received the same Metacritic score, this leads me to believe they don't have as much influence over scores as you're suggesting.
>>338377520
A bethesda game with bugs? How shocking!
>>338376750
I agree
also Duke Nukem Forever is the best DN game.
Bethesda might let Obsidian do another west coast Fallout in the future, r-right?
>>338376694
Maybe they would if they could, but if Bethesda was able to rig metacritic then FO4 probably would have got higher than an 84
>>338376656
a plot that actually made sense
characters that didn't have black or white morality attached to them
factions with their own interests that didn't revolve around objectively good pursuits like "saving the world" or bad like "destroying the world"
It didn't just copy the previous entries for the sake of nostalgia
speech wasn't just a % minigame
>>338378083
The enclave didn't want to destroy the world
>>338378173
I wasn't talking about the enclave. The super mutants in Fallout 3 are straight up cartoon villains that have no goals or interests (aside from killing things for no good reason) despite being a faction of the wasteland.
And while we're at it, the enclave didn't make any sense either.
>>338373050
Bethesda actually tried to bankrupt obsidian so that they could force a takeover.
The same thing happened to Prey 2. Bethesda refused to pay out on their contract to Prey 2. In the hope that the company would collapse and force a takeover by Bethesda.
I'm pretty sure someone on /v/ has a link to the article that shows the darker side of what bethesda has done.
Obsidian obviously experienced this for themselves with the development of new vegas. And i highly doubt they will develop another game for Bethesda ever again.
>>338378376
How did the enclave not make sense?
>>338377424
You are being silly
It is an RPG but not a very good one
To be honest this game feels like the most pointless game Bethesda has ever made and it's probably because of the way dialogue was handled and the Borderlands style shoot and loot missions
I really don't understand why these AAA studios can't make a good RPG anymore it's like they all forgot the formula
In my opinion the best modern western RPG is still Dragon Age Origins that's the game that had the best formula maybe not the best combat system ofc and obviously the open worlds of these games they got a lot bigger but everything else was spot on. Even Bioware lost it man it's like what the hell happened
>>338378449
>Bethesda actually tried to bankrupt obsidian
>>338373050
>pete's going to put something in obsidian's drink
>>338378679
There is proof of this though. Not some crackpot theory stitched together by some neckbeard with too much free time.
Hope someone who has that article will come into the thread to prove me right.
>>338378567
Why are they there? Why are they keeping you from turning the water purifier on? Why is Eden so easily persuaded into blowing up his entire facility? Why is Atom so easily persuaded into leaving?
The enclave in Fallout 3 are just there because Bethesda needed an antagonist with name recognition.
>>338378942
>There is proof
Where is it?
>>338378449
>>338373050
>trusting pete hines, the man with a broken smile
Its like they didn't even learn the hard way first time round.
>>338379143
Right here cuck
>>338377520
And? The point of a contract is that both parties agree to it. If Obsidian didn't like it they should have signed to it.
>>338373345
Did Jswayer leave obsidian because they arent actually making new fallouts?
>>338379378
Nope he's still there as far as I know.
>>338379378
>Did Jswayer leave obsidian
he didn't leave
maybe you're thinking of avellone?
>>338376010
> Obsidian has better things to do
Like what? Obsidian hasn't made a good game in 6 years.
>>338376924
not to mention NV was fixed in the ultimate edition while Fallout 3 still crashes randomly and can't handle multi-core CPUs without an unofficial fix
>>338379554
>avellone
The bear and the bull man?
>>338379598
Tyranny
>Like what? Obsidian hasn't made a good game in 6 years
they made much better games than Bethesda in past 6 years at least
It'll only be worth it if Tim Cain is the lead.
>>338379740
No they haven't
>>338379335
The illusion of a contract is that both parties are on equal footing. When one has the means of survival the other needs.
It's not as if we didn't know how capital aggregates so that a tiny minority ends up having all of it, and hence all the negotiation power in contractual relationships, unless regulations tone things down.
But regulations are bad. Or so we're told.
>>338379598
Obsidian hasn't made a good game, period. They should stick to making movies and novels because stories are the only thing they do right.
>>338379740
>this pile of shit doesn't stink quite as much as this pile of shit
You shouldn't compare anything with Bethesda.
>>338379598
>Obsidian hasn't made a good game in 6 years.
South Park: The Stick of Truth? That was a pretty good little game
>>338379807
So why are you complains a product made to unfairly acquire capital suffers the symptoms of unfairly trying to acquire capital?
>>338379807
How's that women's studies working out for you, bud?
>>338379791
Yeah they did. Stick of Truth and Pillars of Eternity
>>338376241
Lol why?
>>338380051
>PoE
>Good
No
>>338380030
Not him, but legal protection of a weaker party in a contract is a thing in most civilized countries mate, nothing to do with gender studies.
>>338375651
Its hard to say what actually happened since obsidian themselves arent really talking about it. Though bethsada has a history of buying out game makers that worked for them in the past (like ID with RAGE game.) so its not that unlikely of a conspiracy. The fact that obsidian was financially having a hard time after new vegas doesent help and i think there was rumors bethsada trying to do a hostile takeover at some point.
>>338377716
>same metacritic score
>>338380030
Economics actually. Weird how no one reads Marx, as if the core was out-dated.
>>338379990
Did I complain? I'm just finding your answer to anon inadequate.
>>338375651
They didn't rig anything, their total got brought down by a really low numbered review from a literally who website because it wasn't fallout 3 the sequel.
>>338379292
Russian pls
>>338376694
>a company that very likely has sent their clandestine "public relations" to this site and others?
This applies to several others as well. Not that it makes it any better.
>>338377716
That's the PC version. Says a lot that the console version is higher (87). Judging by the game industry, that's the go-to score for most people.
>>338379335
Sure, if one part couldn't hold back funds due to arbitrary milestones that they decide.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/05/what-went-wrong-with-human-heads-prey-2
>inb4 ign
>>338380126
>PoE
>Good
Yes. Maybe you should try playing the game instead of repeating what the chaps at rpgcodex tell you.
>>338380341
I played it.
It was pretty bad
Honestly, Obsidian should just have nothing to do with Bethesda and the Fallout license from now on. As far as I'm concerned after F4 Bethesda has killed the world of Fallout and it should be left to die in their hands. What Obsidian should do is launch a new post apocalyptic IP in the vain of Fallout, maybe even making it top down again.
The only reason to continue with the Fallout license would be to reuse assets and continue the storyline of the world , which, let's face it, Bethesda will only fuck up in the long run anyways.
>>338380325
But the whole "bonus if you get a 85 on Metacritic" was in the contract and they knew that was the case when the game was being made. This isn't a case of Zenimax trying to bankrupt smaller companies to buy them at a lower price, this is Bethesda and Obsidian fulfilling a contract they both had an opportunity to walk away from. Its not like Obsidian is hurting for cash either, since they're basically the go to company for WRPGs.
>>338380030
How's your safe space creation course going for you?
>>338378625
>but everything else was spot on.
What? DAO is shit. It's like BioWare was intentionally trying to make it as bland as possible.
>>338380390
So did I.
It was pretty good.
>>338380665
I disagree
>>338380390
People have different opinions, I would say you're in a small minority who didn't like PoE. Nothing wrong with that, though.
>>338380506
It could be a direct sequel of fallout new vegas.
>Its not like Obsidian is hurting for cash either, since they're basically the go to company for WRPGs.
Obsidian as been on the verge of closing for years now. If their Kickstarter hadn't been successful, the company would been gone by now.
>>338380719
I can tell
>>338380793
Good
>>338380745
>fallout: newer vegas
>>338380632
What are you on about how is it bland?
I don't want Obsidian to be forced to make a new Fallout game with autistic voice acting like Fallout 4.
>>338380928
Not him, but it was pretty bland. It was generic fantasy shit and the main plot was cliche as fuck. It was still a pretty solid game though, kind of good in its simplicity and the subplots were nice.
>>338380570
Well, given that Bethesda/Zenimax is known for scummy contracts, then why would this be any different? Sure it's just speculation, but given their history it's not too far out to think they skimped out on a bit of QA to avoid paying that bonus. When a company really needed that bonus, then you move in for the kill like it seems they did with other studios.
Again, I'm not claiming any more than speculation, but I wouldn't say they're necessarily that separate. In any case, the more independent studios the better if you ask me. Obsidian being bought out certainly wouldn't improve anything at all.
>>338380632
I enjoyed the dwarf lord intro, then basically nothing else. anything interesting was ruined by the giant generic horde of not-lotr movie orcs. I cant believe we're that hard up for solid rpgs that DAO is considered 'classic' by some people.
Why not BioWare?
>>338381247
>bioware
lmao
>>338381247
>Have to pick dialogue option
>It's the same thing in 3 different colors
>>338381247
bioware
>>338376750
found the millenial faggot
>>338376823
found the CoD millenial faggot
Didn't Bethesda buying the Fallout franchise have some scummy tactics? Can't remember the details.
>>338380745
>>338381393
You were saying?
>>338381093
Bethesda isn't Zenimax. If Obsidian thought Bethesda might shirk them, they shouldn't have entered the contract. The fact that Bethesda apparently played it incredibly close with a system that only Metacritic actually understands makes me doubt Bethesda did anything on purpose, instead falling for their own incompetence.
>>338380928
It's the same RPG BioWare always makes set in a terrible generic fantasy universe that they created just so they could have their own IP.
I know people will be nostalgic about it since it was released six years ago and it has waifus, but it's objectively nothing special.
>>338378942
> Needing someone to back him right.
What a FAGGOT
>>338381359
>>338381393
>>338381458
I only see memes as opposed to any real or coherent arguments, at least BioWare makes games that don't look or feel like shit and be honest when is the last time you've ever cared about the story in a Bethesda game?
>>338381458
>>338381359
>>338381393
It can't be worse than fallout 4 dialogue, it's just not possible
>>338381728
is this real?
>BioWare makes games that don't look or feel like shit
Last time was DA:O and that's quite a while
>when is the last time you've ever cared about the story in a Bethesda game?
Oblivion probably, which is even longer. Haven't care for story in Bioware game either though
>>338381247
They have their own shit and EA is daddy
Mass Effect Andromeda, the new action rpg IP, Dragon Age 4 maybe
>>338381807
so what if the setting is familiar? if it's done right does it really matter?
>>338375651
no, it was only one point away anyway. Just bad luck with the launch. Like the launch was legitimately horrible. There'd be 20-minute long loading screens.
>>338373050
Seems like dumb bants which I bet it is. But damnit, a man can dream.
>>338382006
>plays RPGs
>doesn't care about the story
>>338381728
>All the options are the same color
Dismiss'd
>>338382156
Not in Bethesda and Bioware games no. Not that I played them for long mind you, since they were pretty shit.
>>338381849
>BioWare makes games that don't look or feel like shit
>>338373050
>Easy. Pete
>>338381849
>Bioware games don't look or feel like shit
>>338382287
>>338382416
not that guy but you cannot deny that Bioware is a lot better at presentation
>>338382287
BioWare game
>>338382287
Bethesda game
>>338382745
>>338382846
DELETE THIS!
>>338376118
(You)
>>338382745
shame the game was even worse than 2
>>338382745
>>338382846
The DA:I shot looks nice but unless you like watered down RPGs and forced homoeroticism with two scoops of agenda pushing it's not worth playing.
On the other hand, the FO4 environment looks not as nice which compliments the gameplay which is like breaking your foot off and slamming it into your dick.
>>338382745
>>338382846
>Compares promotional screenshot to in-game screenshot
Burn 'em alive!
>>338380126
>>338380390
Never ever sonycuck
>>338380570
>Its not like Obsidian is hurting for cash either
They were extremely close to closing up shop at least one time, had to let go of a sizable part of their workers and got saved by crowd funding. If that doesn't count as "hurting for cash" you're delusional.
>>338380390
So, what Bethesda game was actually better? Because it sure as fuck wasn't Skyrim or FO4
>>338380209
Check the scores for PC, also known as the only platform that's relevant for these games you retard.
>>338378625
>I really don't understand why these AAA studios can't make a good RPG anymore it's like they all forgot the formula
The trend in gaming is to play through a pre-designed story. People don't have the will or capacity in general to make their own stories anymore. Either because they got bored with it, or they were raised with the idea that they couldn't. As such the market has shifted to accommodate the larger market tastes. It's also conveniently easier and cheaper, which is one reason it started to go this way in the first place.
>>338385340
>pre-designed story
But every cRPG has that. Sure, you can influence some elements, but it's still largely a railroad
