Name a single FPS with a lower skill ceiling than CSGO.
You can't.
I legit can't.
>reposting this for the 1000 time
dont you have anything better to do?
Meme
>>338268928
Now that's what I call ironic.
>>338268539
Overwatch
TF 2
Battlefield
Call of Duty
CS:S
autism
>>338269234
Why is this faggot so mad about CSGO? Is he a silver that can't reach higher ranks after thousand of hours so it must be the "tickrate" "hitbox" "lag" "rng spread"?
>>338269193
Okay, I'll give you Overwatch (and CS:S + 1.6 which are the same game just with more anti-skill mechanics). But the other games have vastly higher skill ceilings than CSGO.
>>338269438
COD and skill ceiling? You should give me that point too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7HbCkU_-cM
>>338269349
A combination of that, autism, and
>le watch the world burn
Underage sensibility
>>338269680
>Console
Call of Duty is available on PC without Auto-Aim anon. Give it a try.
>>338268539
>Same webms
>Everytime
I thought csgo players were autistic
But you're taking this to a whole new level
>>338269908
>mandatory auto aim
Autist detected
>>338268539
Then name a single reason why you aren't earning tens of thousands of dollars as a pro player and laughing your ass off swimming in cash?
>>338269680
Nah, not only does CoD have a higher skill ceiling but it also has more strategical depth than CS. It's kind of sad because that's all CS is, a team strategy game- and probably the most shallow one at that.
>>338270120
The same reason you can't consistently win slot machine tournaments. The skill cap is too low. The RNG takes over player actions.
>>338270070
What the fuck is your post even trying to convey?
I'm fine with CSGO being a casual fun low skill game, but it's a little annoying that everyone who plays it thinks they're playing the most hardcore game out there.
>>338268539
Quake
Unreal
Overwatch
Battlefield
Medal of Honor
Doom
Tf2
Half life
>>338270231
But some people can win consistently? How do you explain that?
Why is there even on the highest rank global elite still a noticeable difference in individual skill and winrate?
>>338270231
and yet lots of people still manage to do it?
:)
>le csgo takes skill maimai
>le don't talk shit about my gaem i'm a vidyo game god!!
>>338270349
>putting your largest bait on the first line
cumon step it up, no one is going to read past Quake
Is it a bitter /csgog/'er posting this thread all the time?
How many skins did you lose, my man?
Overwatch?
>>338269680
This is literally how John Romero used to behave while playing Doom
>>338270351
Mostly because they coordinate well as a team. But also because of pic related.
>>338270424
Quake is old and simple, very little skill involved.
>>338268539
CS:GO has the worst bullet spread mechanics I've ever seen in any video game.
>>338270393
People consistently win slot machine tournaments?
I need to hang out with these lucky individuals.
>>338269438
>CS:S + 1.6 which are the same game
born in 1999 general?
>>338270403
this one is the worst fo all
this one clearly is terrible spraycontrol
>>338270518
My jimmies just got rustled
>>338270476
That's what the fucking game is ABOUT you colossal retards.
It isn't a game where being the best shooter will get you to the top. It's about teamwork, coordination, strategy and tactics. But /v/, being the drooling morons that they are, shits on it for being "Low skill ceiling". Nigga, that's exactly the fucking point, for shooting to be easy and for the skill to come from teamplay. But no, I guess the top players in the world are just best at RNG, amirite?
>>338270713
He's right though. The main skill involved is counting down timers for pickups
>>338270518
I agree.
CS is the pinnacle of competitive esports
>>338270476
So it has a skill ceiling that allows for outplay with team tactics and strategy? You're arguing against yourself there, mate.
I'm not even talking about "Pro's" just normal individual matchmaking players that shine without their team. You can even watch pro's owning GE's alone without their tournament team. Going for the "they're all cheating" generalization isn't an explanation.
>death battles between International SWAT teams vs International Terrorist groups mixed together
>They use skins for their weapons
I'm the only one who finds this stupid and literally out of the game?
>>338268539
destiny or the new battlefront. ez
>>338270120
Because hacks are for sexually frustrated euros.
>>338268539
You know this kind of shit never actually happens to me and I've clocked over a thousand hours no. I'm starting to think all these videos are doctored or set up somehow.
>>338270785
Exactly. It's a low skill ceiling strategy game. Most strategy games are. Glad you finally understand.
>>338270518
anyone who started with an fps that isn't an arena fps never had to learn to git gud except for aiming.
>>338270476
Why are there more hackers now then there were back in 1.6?
>>338270785
>I guess the top players in the world are just best at RNG, amirite?
Now you're getting it
>>338268539
can someone explain this webm, why is he missing?
>>338270847
No.
It's still got a low skill ceiling.
In fact, just about every other team game (save for Overwatch & maybe PvZ: GW) has a higher skill ceiling while maintaining that teamwork/strategy requirement while simultaneously having much more strategical depth.
>>338271034
More players.
>>338271094
It's because CS is a bad shooter. It's missing because of RNG, despite that player being dead accurate at close range.
>>338270403
The "upset" over this is a full circle.
Once upon a time FPSes were hitscan weaponry in the majority, or fired reliably. This reflected a culture of twitch-shooting and fast paced play, over realism.
CS was a FPS built upon more realistic mechanics even at its initial mod stage: spray, realistic guns that work in a realistic fashion (fuck you, I'm not saying its real life, but it was more realistic than a rail gun)
mainstream preference over the next two decades was for realism, and subsequent iterations of FPSes have had ironsight shooting, random gunspray, etc.
Getting mad that your gun wont shoot where you point it is coming back is asking to abandon realism in preference for skilled play. That's fine, but its not currently a majority view. Maybe things will swing away from realism, or it'll go somewhere in a different direction. The truth of the matter is I am just writing all this because I'm going to get a six, and I want you to witness it.
>>338270932
> Strategy
> Low skill ceiling
You fucking WHAT mate
If this is the case then there is literally no reason for you not to be at the top of the majors raking in tens of thousands of dollars. The shooting has a low skill ceiling because it emphasises strategy.
>>338271072
So... you're saying that the best players in the world just get lucky? So lucky they win tens of thousands of dollars for doing it?
why are we even comparing tacticool to arena? we all know which one is harder and takes more skill. cs is too slow you can't even 1v1 properly in it
it sounds like you guys don't like csgo that much
>>338270263
At least Overwatch players realize it's the most casual shooter out there.
>>338271094
The accuracy of the gun is somewhat random, so it doesn't matter how skilled you are there is still the chance you will miss
>>338271276
No clue why my post was deleted. Anyway, how is it RNG-based?
>>338270843
Can you explain the gif? All I see is a guy missing his shot.
>>338271445
>If this is the case then there is literally no reason for you not to be at the top of the majors raking in tens of thousands of dollars
If that is the case, then there is literally no reason for you not to win the lottery. You don't even have to do anything, just buy a ticket. The skill ceiling is low, brother. It's yours for the taking.
>>338271276
>rng
Pro tip: there is no such thing as a random number when it comes to computers
>>338271445
>So lucky they win tens of thousands of dollars for doing it?
No one else really wants to do it.
>>338271796
Look at the webm and others posted in the thread. Despite the crosshair being directly on someones head and standing still, they missed multiple times. He should of hit, but due to RNG bullet spread, he missed. There is an element of luck because you can make all the right moves but still miss due to things out of your control.
>>338271970
Shut up. Everyone knows that, and everyone accepts the term RNG because it's close enough to random to work the same way in vidya. You're just being pedantic.
>B-but hes spraying like a retard! xD
>B-but he moved while shooting! xD
>B-but you're just a silver shitter! xD
what am i missing?
>>338271380
Sorry anon. I found that 6 you dropped
>>338272182
>>338270403
Whoever is playing is literally terrible, why would you use this webm to make a point?
csgo is good game
>>338272179
But it's not random. If you got good at the game you can know where your shots will land.
>>338272471
I think his point is that the gunplay mechanics are terrible, which is true. But you're right that the player is bad as well. He could be at least trying to compensate for the recoil.
>>338270403
Please stop posting this shit in threads about terrible netcode. The game has god awful netcode, and the video you just posted is of a god awful player.
>>338272574
If you go in CSGO shoot the same gun 3 times in a row, the bullets will not exactly line up every time. Similarly, sure, but there is still an element of randomness that the player cannot alter.
>>338272749
All shots can be predicted because the randomness isn't truly random, it's based on math.
>>338271835
The hit would've registered client-side but not server-side. It's a well known problem with the online multiplayer. A lot of people seem to think it's the tick rate of the valve servers' fault but I think it's probably more than that because I've seen better hit reg from games with worse tick rates.
>>338272743
>le bad RNG = low skill
>>338272904
You're either "trolling" or straight up dont understand how spray patterns in CS work.
>>338272976
If you can understand a spray pattern then you've conquered the RNG
>>338272372
You're just a mad silverfag that's upset it's got a higher skill ceiling than 1.6 or CoD. There's nos such thingas RNG which you'd know if you would just git gud. Of course you're not going to hit if you move when you shoot and don't even aim at the hit boxes, I bet you don't even crouch. Adjust your settings and learn to aim at the feet and learn the fucking spray patterns faggotBecause there is no random spread. The game wasn't made to be realistic anyway.
>>338272957
It's not RNG, it's bad spray control. The bullets tend off in a certain direction with sustained fire, you can control the bullets to more or less hit a target at long distance while spraying if you know when and where to pull. The guy in the video barely pulls down at all and wonders why a gun with some of the worst recoil in the game isn't firing where his crosshair is pointed.
>>338273035
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0rlCJ047Ds
Even the first shot is rng.
>everything is rng, espacially accuracy
>Player actions dont mean anything
>it's mainly a strategy game, not a shooter
this thread is cancer
>>338273035
Except the spray patterns are not 100% identical every time. Learning the spray pattern helps reduce the effect of RNG but it is still there
>cs:go takes skill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGV53yAZ6QY
>>338273170
>>338273182
The RNG is mathematical, you can predict where the shots will land if you know the variables. This is part of understanding the spray pattern.
>removes the fundamental aspects that made the original game unique and interesting
>people defend this
>>338273351
Top tier trolling bro! Keep it up!
>>338268539
I give you the first shot but the rest he was snot aiming to the head
>>338273351
>I'm only pretending to be retarded
>>338273181
>The truth is cancer
Well memed my friend
>>338268539
>>338269438
>>338270403
>>338270843
>same fucking webms every time
Someone post that shotgun webm and we've got a royal flush here.
The Pistol in TF2 has pretty bad accuracy. At any distance other than point-blank, you'll be lucky if 4-5 shots hit when you unload your 12 shot clip into somebody.
>>338270351
>global elite
nobody gives a shit about valve mm, if you want to play counter strike you have to play on ESEA/CEVO/anything but valve MM or faceit.
>>338273284
this is the reason i never really got into csgo. I have like 150 hours played, mostly just surfing. It's absolutely fucking terrible how they fucked up a simple formula.
CS was never good hitreg-wise but at least you could compensate in 1.6 by learning in which situations the game fucks you up. In css it got worse and in csgo it's just a clusterfuck. It's so inconsistently bad, it's not even funny. It's a game of russian rullet. When will you shoot blank? You never know it until it's too late.
>inb4 git gud
The game does not reward you for getting good. It keeps stabbing you in the back. I've had my fun in 1.6 and css, csgo just doesn't work for me.
>>338273536
>>338273474
I'm taking a 4th semester computer science final today. I know what I'm talking about.
>>338270403
I don't play CS. Most people are saying this guy just sucks. But to me, it looks like he's aiming right at the person.
Where should he have aimed to hit him? I don't get it.
>>338273953
Hahahaha
>>338274000
recoil
>>338273953
Yes, if you know their RNG formulae you could predict it if it's reasonable for humans to do. But I doubt they have that public.
>>338274000
because he was moving while shooting, that fucked up his recoil
>>338269181
It's been over twenty years Alanis, if you don't know what irony is by now I don't think there's any helping you. Daft canuck cunt.
>>338269349
who knows. he probably thinks he's an EPIC troll.
>>338274000
In CS, you usually have to compensate for the spray recoil by moving your cross hair in the opposite direction.
>>338273953
college is already in summer session so youre saying youre a high school student zozzle
>>338271629
>hitscan weapons shoot bullets that go straight to the crosshair
thats TOO casual, is blizzard even trying?
>inb4 all the weapons that shoot projectiles ala tribes style
t-that doesn't count!
>>338274237
Even more irony from the Valvedrones. It never ends.
>>338273953
>work out the rng and how it affects the direction the bullets go
>i've le got it!
>seed number changes
>>338270829
"no"
B-BUT GUYS, CSGO IS A SKILL BASED GAME, RNG HAS NO PLACE IN HERE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1rc-73D3ns
>>338274237
It's like raaiiiinn on your wedding day!
>>338269438
>and CS:S + 1.6 which are the same game just with more anti-skill mechanics
and once again anon is talking out his ass again. what a surprise
>>338269438
>more anti-skill mechanics
what the fuck
>>338273508
He was still strafing when he took the first shot. The rest of the misses were from recoil. You have to be a big pleb to not understand what's happening
>>338274538
>>338274613
Hi, samefag.
Yes. CSGO only has one recoil pattern. 1.6 had several chosen at random. This is yet another anti-skill mechanic.
>>338273753
if the pistol was accurate, high level scouts would be bizarre. just, ludicrously more powerful than anything else. gamebreakingly fucked
>>338274710
not samefagging buddy
>he doesn't know how to manipulate RNG tor his advantage
so you're just bad
overwatch
>all these silvers that can't control the outcome of dice rolls and coin tosses
lmao'ing @ u. acquire some skill.
>>338274710
CSGO does not have 1 spray pattern. This entire thread is bait and cancer.
http://csgoskills.com/academy/spray-patterns/
>>338274000
Because they decided that your bullets not going where you aim would add depth and complexity to CSGO rather than any of the tens of better ways you can add depth and skill ceiling to a shooter
All of this is to give the shitter casuals a chance and keep them playing to spend those sweet sweet hatbux.
>>338269193
>>338269438
>tf2 will never be appreciated for it's crazy high skill ceiling because you can't see it through the mountain of hats and 32 player instaspawn spamfests
EVERY
FUCKING
DAY
HOW DOES THIS GAME HAVE SO MANY FUCKING HACKERS?!
>>338275620
did you see tf2 before recent banwave?
>>338275620
hacks beats rng
>>338275718
never played TF2 after hats started becoming a thing.
>>338273163
bullets wandering off-crosshair instead of the crosshair wandering off-target is a shit way of realizing weapon recoil though
>>338268539
oh, what team do you play with?
if you havent hit the skill ceiling you cant complain
>>338275786
but it doesn't matter if you don't like it
it's there, deal with it.
>>338275402
>tf2
>crazy high skill ceiling
"lol"
>>338269438
it was merely a spray of a crouched terrorist
Lets just learn to agree that CSGO's skill ceiling is artificially stunted to allow for a more level playing field so that it attracts a broader audience. Valve don't want the old style 1.6 l33t shut ins who play 24/7 with pinhead accuracy always at the top spot putting everyone off. They want everyone to feel like a winner so that it encourages them to spend money on crates keys for that dank knife.
>Join a CSGO game
>One player is spamming music over his mic
>One player is blatantly hacking
>One player is AFK
>One player is trying to play knife only, his name is .:PROMLJESUS:. despite having a .05KD
>One player is advertising his twitch stream, he sounds twelve years old and says he has thirty subscribers when asked. I believe this to be an over embellishment.
>One player is complaining that people in this casual game are casual. He screams loudly on his mic when told to go play competitive if he doesn't like it.
>One player is begging for keys
>One player is begging for knife skins
>one player has "yiff" as his clan tag and what appears to be cropped furry porn as his avatar.
What the hell happened to CS?
>>338273508
He jumped before firing the first shot which makes the Deagle terribly innaccurate unless you stand still for a while.
>>338276404
>One player is advertising his twitch stream, he sounds twelve years old and says he has thirty subscribers when asked. I believe this to be an over embellishment.
>One player is begging for keys
>One player is begging for knife skins
Everything except these have always been common in casual matches, even in 1.6 and Source.
>>338276738
Hacking in Source was nowhere near as prolific as it is in GO, unless you only stuck around the unsecured private servers. And in my experience people didn't go apeshit as often about casuals, even though there was no seperation between casual and comp servers.
Also no avatars means I didn't have to see fucking furry porn every time I get killed.
>>338276982
>Hacking in Source was nowhere near as prolific as it is in G
CSGO has far more players, of course it has more hackers.
>even though there was no seperation between casual and comp servers.
Every single server in the server browser was a casual one, you'd never find competitive servers since they were either hosted by clans fagging it up through some IRC channel or by a third party.
>>338275402
>tf2 is just between cs and quake in terms of skill, try quake live and youll see crazy high skill ceiling
Is it possible to get false overwatch ban?
>>338277258
Yeah, so all thes PRO gamers were forced to mingle with the casuals whenever their private server was down (assuming they're even in a clan) and they STILL didn't bitch as much as they do now, despite now having an option to play competitive matches.
stone paper scissors
>>338277258
When the Source was the last CS released it still didn't have many hackers.I never saw one desu.
>>338277543
>When the Source was the last CS released it still didn't have many hackers.I never saw one desu.
I love anecdotal evidence, I can also say CSGO has no hackers since I haven't seen any despite seeing plenty in both games.
>>338269680
>Autistic man children play cod
I don't understand is this news?
>>338277664
Okay pal whatever you say. CS:GO is great and has a great community and I'm the only one who doesn't like it. Happy?
>>338278215
No, CS:GO is decent, could be far better. Has a shit community and I have no idea why I like it.
