What are some good Doom like shooters?
>>338262747
Strife
Systemshock 1
Dark Forces 1
>>338262747
Duke Nukem
Shadow Warrior
Rise of the Triad
So, basically anything from 3D Realms.
Oh, and Blood of course.
>>338262747
Fallout 4
RAGE
>>338262747
Wolfenstein 3D
Marathon
>>338262747
Blood
Heretic
>>338262747
blood is fucking great. much better than doom imo.
>>338262747
Doom
>>338262747
Heretic
Hexen
Serious Sam TFE, TSE, BFE
>>338262790
System Shock is nothing like Doom.
DOOM 2016
Turok
>>338262747
Doom 2
Aside from BUILD engine games, dark forces and heretic are my favorites. I prefer them to Doom. Duke is the best of them all
Halo
Call of duty
Borderlands
Fps games
>>338263237
>serious sam
No no no. The only thing it really has it common with doom is that it's a fps where you shoot monsters. the similarities end there.
>>338263823
So, you're saying it's like Doom.
>>338263823
It's very similar to Doom 2. In fact, Doom 2 feels a lot like Serious Sam before Serious Sam was invented.
>>338262747
Grezzo 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FglVuYr0BJg
quake
>>338263865
Doom's most defining feature is actually the level design, and Serious Sam does not have level design, it's just arenas connected by a single corridor. Great games, but very different from Doom.
>no Chex Quest
it's like you guys are really plebs
Hexen 2
Quake 1 + expansions
Quake 2 + expansions
Wolfenstein 3D + Spear of Destiny
>>338263948
>ctrl + f quake
>2 result
QUAKE
>>338263980
Doom 2 has zero level design, though.
>>338263865
Nothing like doom besides it being a fps. according to you halo is like serious sam
>>338262747
Brutal doom
>>338264090
Do tell.
>>338262747
Final Doom
>>338264207
Teleporting all over the place is not level design.
Doom 2 is the most similar Doom-like
>>338264297
>>338264419
Stop being a fag. Doom 2's level design is horrible. It consists of:
1. Hordes of monsters in enclosed spaces.
2. Monster closets.
4. Teleports.
5. Gimmicks like crusher.
It feels like a shitty megawad.
>>338264297
>>338264539
>teleporting somehow means there's not level design
I've never heard of this dumb "argument" before
>>338264203
please don't recommend this tripe
>>338264539
Have you considered that maybe you are being a fag? Doom 2 has large sprawling levels with varied combat situations where you have to search for keys to move forward.
>>338262747
Blake Stone, Rise of Triad, System Shock, Duke Nukem 3D, Blood, Powerslave, Redneck Rampage, Heretic, Hexen, Shadow Warrior, Quake.
>>338264207
I fucking hated that map as a kid.
>>338262747
A less common one: Blake Stone: Aliens of Gold.
>jetpacks behind u whilst chewing gum
>kicks ur ass
heh, thats one DOOMED space marine
>>338264662
Too much teleporting the way it is in Doom 2 breaks the flow completely. MAP13 is the worst offender in my opinion.
>>338264710
>Doom 2 has large sprawling levels with varied combat situations where you have to search for keys to move forward
I completely disagree about varied combat situations since it's "push button to open another closet and SSG everyone there" most of the time but whatever. You say it like it's exactly like Serious Sam, except you push buttons to open doors there. Serious Sam also has way better weapon balance and enemy design. It's okay in Doom but Serious Sam takes it to a whole new level.
>>338262747
BLOOD.
Easily the best BUILD game next to original Douk3D, and the game I wished D44M would've used as the main inspiration.
Is the new shadow warrior game good? I played the demo and it seemed kinda shitty. It feels much more like modern fps crap, not old school.
HDoom
>>338262747
Blood, Duke 3d, quake, shadow warrior.
>>338266450
It's shit. Linear, try-hard "funny", the young Wang is just as bad as Donte, all weapons except Katana sucks ass, you got unlimited healing magic, there's tons of pointless upgrade/level up features, and you are locked into these combat arenas all the time, just like in Hard Reset / Pain Killer / nu-Doom.
>>338266781
Damn that's sad, old Shadow Warrior was great. Plus seeing a game compared to Pain Killer is another bad sign.
>>338266743
>>338266201
>no source port
can't even play it. and no I don't want to play some shitty DOSBox version
>>338262747
Heretic
Duke Nukem
Shadow Warrior
Blood
>>338267259
it runs perfectly fine in dosbox retard
>>338262747
God Tier
>Blood
Great Tier
>Duke 3d
>Shadow Warrior
Good Tier
>Heretic
>Strife
Okay Tier
>Rise of the Triad
Backtracking tier
>Hexen
>>338267580
Does DosBox require command lines every time you want to start a game or is there a quick-launch function?
>>338267580
the mouse is shit and it has a stretched aspect ratio
>>338267920
Not him but if it does you can still just make a shortcut that executes that command.
>Doom like shooters
Is this the birth of an ebin new meme?
Doom can be a lot like Doom
Just play through cacoward winning megawads for the rest of your life
It's the only video game you'll ever need
any feminist friendly .wads?
>>338267580
No it doesn't, and the difficulty settings are completely broken
>>338268540
>Is this the birth of an ebin new meme?
If by new, you mean ~22 years old when everything was called a Doom clone.
>>338268540
babby detected. doom-like/doom-clone is literally what games like duke 3d, heretic etc were called back when doom was new. nowadays it refers specifically to doom-style shooters in terms of their particular flavour of level design and everything else. you're going to argue now because you're an idiot but it's true.
>>338268879
considering brutal bloody violence in games makes them menstruate, probably not m8
>>338262747
The Talos Principle.
>>338268540
What're you like four years fucking old?
>>338267259The same guy behind Doom 64 EX is remaking Blood in the same fashion as a personal project, so just be patient.
>>338268879
>>338269596
10/10
>>338262747
Doom 2
>>338263942
And then they say video games are not art.
>>338262747
>implying Doom was a good game
>implying fps are good
>>338269012
>>338269039
>>338269337
Pretty sure he was making fun of OP for saying "doom like shooters" instead of "doom clones"
>>338269570
Oh man, that is great news
I'm excited.
>>338267858
Come on anon, you know you want to play through the Seven Portals again.
>>338263237
>Hexen
Anyone going from Doom to Hexen should be aware that Hexen has many more puzzles and much more backtracking than Doom does.
>>338267858
>>338271484
It's really a shame that Hexen has all that bullshit dragging it down, because the gameplay was a lot of fun.
>>338262747
WHAT'S YOUR FAVORITE CLASSIC FPS?
FUCK YOU NOBODY CARES.
THIS RIGHT THERE IS THE GRAND MOTHERFUCKING FATHER OF FPS.
MOTHERFUCKING BLOOD WILL TEAR YOU UP A NEW ASSHOLE WITH IT'S PUNISHING DIFFICULTY AND GAMEPLAY, WHERE EVEN THE MOST COMMON ENEMY CAN FUCK YOUR SHIT UP IF YOU ARE A DUMB SHIT ASSHOLE.
I FUCKING DARE YOU TO PLAY THIS MASTERPIECE, PREPARE TO BE BLOWN THE FUCK AWAY BY THE BEST CLASSIC FPS OF ALL TIME, YEAH EVEN BETTER THAN MOTHERFUCKING DOOM.It plays just fine on DOSBox.
>>338262747
D44M: Retribution
>>338272234
WOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH FUCK
WAAAAAAAAAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>338269596
This is amazing.
If you want something more modern there's Hard Reset
It's okay
>>338273278
>Bullet sponge robits, shitty movement and braindead Painkiller design
"Okay" is what it is, nothing more.
>>338262747
Doom wads
>>338269596
>DOOM makes this canon now
What a time to be alive.
>>338273401
That's why he said it's okay you sperg.
Super 3D Noah's Ark
Chex quest
>Not a single mention of Brutal Doom
Also, is the Marine in D44M the same classic doomguy?
>>338267259
Don't worry anon, there's hope!
A guy named Kaiser, who is REALLY GOOD at doing modern ports of older games (Doom64EX, PowerslaveEX (by the way, that's another lesser-known great shooter, check it out!), Strife Veteran edition, the Turok re release) has been working on a reverse-engineered new Blood engine for a while now.
He's been keeping it on the down-low though so it's hard to find details about it. Best source of info I know of is this old thread on /vr/: https://warosu.org/vr/thread/3130152
>>338274921
I remain skeptical, bloodcm ended up being shit. While Kaiser is undoubted more skilled than whoever did cm, I don't believe he will do it all right. I wouldn't mind the pleasant surprise of being wrong though.
>>338274643
yes, canonically he was locked away in a tomb after doom2 only to be found and brought back by some company on mars who created a portal to hell blah blah blah argent energy blah blah blah you are the demons
>>338275175
Bloodcm is an EDuke32 total conversion, Kaiser is reverse engineering it from the ground up.
The games that are most similar to Doom are Heretic and Chex Quest.
The closest thing to an evolution of Doom that maintains its simplicity and carries the tradition of its highly abstract style of level design is Quake.
>>338273401
god everything is such a sponge
>>338275175
BloodCM is a Duke Nukem TC, hence why the controls feel wonky and the AI acts so different compared to the original game.
Kaiser's ports are made using a very versatile engine he made, combined with with reverse engineering (watching how the original game behaves and using the same value)
Considering the quality of Kaiser's ports in the past, I think it's ok to feel enthusiastic about this!
>>338264539
>Downtown
I can't even be arsed rising to this; you've not fucking played it
>>338268964
>difficulty settings are completely broken
yes because dosbox would magically break the difficulty settings, kys
>>338269337
>adding the word "fucking" for no reason whatsoever
Cool
>>338275175
>>338275491
To quote the man himself:
>The way I handle it is anything regarding to damage values, health, etc is reverse engineered, because that's the most important things that needs to be done right.
>Anything regarding to player weapon swaying and object momentum speeds (such as how far you throw dynamite, or how much an explosion knocks you back) is entirely empirical, though I do rely on the assembly as a guide.
>AI behavior is 100% identical and taken directly from the disassembly. Though I do add a bit more to it so it can be easily customized by modders. The only thing I am concerned about is how the enemy aims at the player. Build engine games uses a fixed-point slope value while Kex uses atan2/angle pitch to determine the aim.... which results in the AI being a tad more accurate even while the player crouching. I have some ideas to emulate the fixed point slope behavior though.
>Everything else (renderer, collision, resource management, etc) is done from scratch.
>Surprisingly enough, the 'cansee' function from Build is actually bugged and explains why some explosions do no damage to objects, even when its right next to it. Since Kex has its own way of handling this, explosions will now be guaranteed to damage whatever that is within its blast radius.
>I don't intend on alienating BloodCM (a favorite of mine btw) or BloodXL. I am just simply offering another way to enjoy Blood without needing DosBox. In fact my original intention was to show off a more GPL-friendly engine that can run a Build game. I choosed Blood because it's actually the most organized of the Build games (3D Realms' code looks like fucking chicken scratch).
>However, its simply up to the user's preference. BloodEX will have the capabilities to support Blood mods though.
>>338262747
Fuck off shill
No one wants to play fucking Doom.
>>338275894
Maybe I'll finally play that game, then.
>>338274643
>not reading the thread
>>338263418
Level design is actually quite similar, that's about it though.
>>338275894
Shit that doesn't sound bad at all.
>>338275175
Kaiser is a programming wizard though, I'm sure he'll do fine. He's busy with the Turok 2 remaster right now though
>>338266450
I liked it ok but it's not that much like doom and didn't feel that much like shadow warrior until later levels. The upcoming sequel looks sick though.
>>338267858
Bump Shadow Warrior up one.
>>338275894
I thought the build engine was open source. why does he have to reverse engineer everything?
>>338262747
Damn I've seen playing doom 1 lately and it's fucking hard to adjust to. I put in on hard mode and I've found the shotgun the best weapon so far. I think I'm on level 4 or 5.
>>338276881
From what I gather, the way Build works is, you've got your engine files, and you got your game files, and when you mix the two it makes the game works
So, even though the Build engine itself has become open source, some games such as Blood never had their source codes released, which means you can't access the files and specific changes made to the engine contained within the Blood code.
And good luck trying to get the actual source, Atari has been sitting its fat ass on it for years and refuses to sell anything.
>>338276881
blood isn't open source.
>>338264207
Ive just played that map in Doom 2
There is a point where you get placed on a pillar with imps around you, killed them, then jumped down and there were a bunch of the big pink demons which i killed too.
Now i tried E and i tried shooting all the walls in that pit but i couldnt find a way to get out the door which were way above so i had to use the noclip cheat to get up there, it were the only time ive been stuck and had to use a cheat to progress.
Can someone tell me the no cheating way to get out of that door?
If I run a KVM enabled QEMU VM of MS-DOS or FreeDOS, would it run Blood better than dosbox?
Whats wrong with using dosbox to play it anyway? I thought the recent versions of it was 100% accurate?
>>338278760
That's the only way
>>338272234
>Bloodfags
The PC equivalent to Perfect Darkfags.
>>338278760
>>338279097
https://youtu.be/OHdO36CKl2Y?t=30s
>>338278878
there is nothing wrong with dosbox, you can use bmouse fix if you think that the mouse suck. I have played the game on a dos box and in dosbox and couldn't see any difference at all.
>>338278878
Dosbox is good enough for most game including Blood. There are tiny timing differences and as a result the 'I'll swallow your soul' hands are much deadlier on a modern PC but that's not really Dosbox at fault so much as your hotrod PC being too fast for it's own good. You're not usually gonna notice this stuff when playing. As long as you get a decent framerate, you're gold.
Try Brutal doom
>>338280125
No.
>>338279296
But perfect dark is also great, it builds upon 007 perfectly. It is however grossly outclassed by timesplitters.
>>338280125
kys
there's a game on Gamejolt called "Bitsturbed"
I would recommend checking it out, it's Doom-inspired
>>338263037
Fallout 4 actually has pretty good shooting.
Too bad the rest of the game is fucking abysmal.
>>338267858
In the words of a great philosopher,
>You want some Wang?
