So, what do you think of Battleborn's opening animation?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N5XQI8EDDw
>>338254136
It's shit
>>338254167
this
it's honestly embarassing to watch
>>338254136
10x better than the game itself, but not very good.
>>338254136
really low quality
It looks like an amateur's work
Garbage
Its shit. Ive seen Newgrounds flash animations with better animation quality.
Go shill somewhere else.
Shitty and UNSKIPPABLE
>>338254136
It's as bad as the rest of Stillborn
Boring.
it doesnt even have the mushroom man
that is literally the one only single thing I care about in battleborn. make a game about the mushroom. one with no memes and really cringeworthy lines with the word feminism in them.
Looks like it lacks frames
It's so badass. It's the most badass animation to ever badass exist on the badass youtubes. Badass badass badass. Are we cool yet?
>>338254136
Feels like a western fan-made anime episode with generic trope usage level at maximum.
Really fucking bad.
>>338254136
This is some pretty amateur animation, looks like something that would be uploaded to newgrounds.
Not even memeing, this is some janky ass flash tier animation, it'd be really impressive if it was a fan animation, but considering official, its kind of embarrassing
>>338254378
that image is hilarious but fuck off
>>338254378
>all of those messages within roughly 20 minutes
This gets me every time
>>338254297
This is heartbreaking to hear, because Borderlands is the only thing they had going for them.
Then again, it could be a good thing. Maybe if they put the same effort into Borderlands 3, it will be good. And now that Anthony "Faggot" Burch has been fired, it might have passable characters.
I'm honestly surprised at this reception. It's missing some inbetweens here and there, but the direction of the action shots and the camera angles, etc, are pretty top notch. It also has some really nice character acting which is quite refreshing to me after watching so many still anime faces.
>>338254378
>also im gamergate
Is that how companies damage control these days?
Anyone who says a bad word is a gamergater and thus, null and void in value of opinion?
>>338254378
You just came into a thread to quote nine different people and tell them to fuck off? Why wouldn't you fuck off with the ratio stacked against you like that?
The animation itself is okay but the choreography, "camera work", editing, and sound design are all very low quality.
Colouring is also questionable, in the sense that the pink /red tint completely throws off the palette for the cast and misrepresents their appearence in a short that's meant to introduce them to the viewer.
Beyond just the lack of any sense of presence for most of the cast when they're off camera, or the awkward cuts, or the feeble audio, or the weirdly animated jumping in a few scenes, I just don't get how they thought this was a good introduction to the characters.
None of them have their more interesting abilities shown off, and it does nothing to convey their personalities beyond 'RARGH ME ANGRY ME FIGHT HARD'.
It's poor all around.
>>338254467
>it might have passable characters.
>>338254136
Oh wow, action is happening with slow music on the background! Something I've never seen before!
>>338254378
No you fuck off Randy.
>>338254378
nice image anon.
>>338254136
i like that animation, it's clearly inspired by something from the 80s/90s i just can't put my finger on what the inspiration is.
Compare it to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=876W253z6KY
Battleborn's animation is objectively higher quality across the board.
Gorillaz did it better in every facet.
>>338254136
ill-fitting music, and the animation is really rough/shaky.
on the plus, it doesn't have the HUD/UI clusterfuck that the rest of the game suffers from.
>>338254572
>i like that animation, it's clearly inspired by something from the 80s/90s i just can't put my finger on what the inspiration is.
Aeon Flux.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_8sNEPQ-NY
>>338254572
Its literally a shittier samurai jack
>>338254467
I think it might be the opposite. If Battleborn lost enough money that Gearbox is hurting they might cut every corner possible for BL3
>>338254572
I think its based on Progressive Rock music videoes/Cartoons.
Thus the choppy animation and so on.
I had a better time watching the animated opening to Super
![3706fd27c5[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/13t9wve.jpg "3706fd27c5[1].jpg")
>>338254136
you re not serious right?
you realize that men do not look like this?
like we have bigger legs like those sticks
and we are not all muscle mountains like this guy? also whats up with that tiny head? we arent idiots thank you very much, you fucking sexist shitlords
>>338254467
How is this heartbreaking? They deserve all of this hate, even more so with people like you.
You do remember Duke Nukem Forever and Alien Colonial Marines right anon?
>>338254764
love that movie
>>338254856
I couldn't give a shit about Aliens whatever and the latest Dook.
Ok I hate gearbox as much as the next guy and I love to bully Battleborn but the opening animation just hit's me somewhere.
Yeah the quality looks very amateurish but the purple tint, the mix of 2D animation and CGI, the playful facial expression, I kinda like it.
>>338254136
Looks canadian, possibly french.
>>338254467
Honestly burch's writing is still better than battleborn writing.did you see any of the introduction video?Its seriously cringey
>>338254136
This concept with potential, but cheap and terrible execution, there are many flaws with the fucking animations.
Most of the 3D animations in this video look infinitely better than what we got in the game.
I like many parts of this video but holyshit, seriously, character animations scream "amateur". Looks like western trying to copy JP that's trying to copy western
>mfw
The intros/cut-scenes are fucking great and original (in the vidya world). Unfortunately are the only thing worth mentioning about this game.
>>338254136
What is this game
>>338254696
nah man its more inspired from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVk9lPotcW4
>>338255117
Stillborn.
>>338255117
A meme filled MOBA by the people behind Borderlands
Its doing really poorly, so I assume they've started shilling like crazy on every major website to try and make back some of what they're losing.
Besides the actual animation quality being very low and amateurish (sloppy animation, characters going off model, etc.), the basic style and thought behind it is creatively bankrupt. The mix of weeb and indie animation along with a generous serving of "muh new 80s" and the random as fuck hip hop track is just shit.
Terrible.
>"well, atleast the music is decent"
>the vocals start
I will never understand the appeal of hip hop. The most low-effort "music" there is
I wonder how much blizz pays for this shilling desu
>>338254136
It's trying way too hard to avoid any fan service and ends up bland.
>>338254136
Looks like fuckign shit
>Heavy clone
>MuH classy shooterino
>Muh STRONK WOMYN WHO DON'T NEED NO MAN
>MUH Dyke hair styles
>Muh EYE character
>Muh fucking trope characters everywhere
>Muh shitty music
>Muh ugly ass characters with no design thouhght at all beyond what looks progressive
>>338254539
>The animation itself is okay but the choreography, "camera work", editing, and sound design are all very low quality.
Personally I thought the animation was amateur at best, I've seen better fan animations on youtube.
>>338255241
Metal is lower i think.
>>338254907
Gearbox is the reason you don't give a shit about them.
>>338254935
>mix of 2D animation and CGI
Why? CGI in 2D animation basically means they're cutting corners.
>>338255260
Being a nost player I fucking despise Blizzard. But I'd still rather come into these threads and shit on Gearbox then one of the 5 Overwatch threads going at the moment.
>>338254136
tries so hard to be cool and "badass" that its embarrassingly juvenile. like the games humor. and the game itself really.
>>338254136
Very amateurish.
The whole art design in the game is ugly so I guess the opening fits by looking ugly.
>>338255375
Untrue, I never liked the old Duke Nukem games and I have never liked the Aliens movies. Games based on movies are always bad, so games based on movies that I dont like are even worse.
>>338255341
Atleast there is some musical talent necessary to play the instruments needed for metal, and some metal sub-genres can be innovative and interesting.
Hip hop is mainly just looping a 10 second sample for 3 minutes and slapping terrible attempt at poetry on top of it
>>338255330
I'm pretty sure it was going for a mix of something like Samurai Jack and 90s animated rock/metal music videos - hence the choppiness and motion.
If that's the case, it did okay at emulating the style imo - even if I don't like it.
>>338254951
Man you really need to expand your vocabulary
>>338255241
>>338255521
You're dense man.
If the backing track is seriously a take on Popol Vuh's Hosianna Mantra then that is pretty patrish desu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQHto60cDFA
>>338255526
>something like Samurai Jack
But it looks absolutely nothing like Genndy Tartakovsky's work
Even if they were going for a certain 'style' that doesn't excuse the lack of inbetweens.
It looks like they rushed it out the door. Also, the "90's animated rock/metal music videos" were done by amateurs, which is probably why it reminds you of them, because the animation is completely amateur.
I don't even care about Battleborn as a game because I don't play MOBAs, I only came into this thread because its kind of embarrassing that they would use that as the official cinematic.
The Guitar Hero games pulled off the "amateur rock/metal music video" look a lot better anyway https://youtu.be/J0TpurL8sy0?t=1m10s
I like it. I also liked Battleborn for the 70 some odd hours I played it.
It's unpolished and unfinished, but I had a lot more fun playing it than Overwatch. In the very least, I got my $34 worth.
I'm kind of sad that /v/ has fallen to shills. I doubt any of you have played this game or done any real research into it.
You'll shit on it because it's a meme, and you'll buy Overwatch to feel like you're part of the club.
You're easily manipulated, unthinking, wads of cash. Bravo.
>>338255521
Be more fucking ignorant
https://youtu.be/NgoEPIIZcRs
Also by this logic you must think that this album is completely worthless because "lol no musical skill"
https://youtu.be/aVrTORySXjU
They were amateurs who didn't know how to properly play their instruments. So of course they're bad right?
>>338255341
Even the shittiest all-sounds-the-same metal still takes skill to play with the instruments. Most hip-hop just involves just looping 6 seconds worth of a beat you made on the computer (if your not just looping someone else's work, that is).
>>338255451
the first time I saw the intro posted anons loved it
today it's almost unanimous bashing, as if everyone's just picked which side they think is winning
I can't really afford either game. I'm just here to observe the shit show.
>>338255823
I enjoy both games but won't get Battleborn because I have a hard time running it. Sadly by the time I get a better PC the ship will have sailed.
>>338255823
i liked the beta, but the way the progression works really put me off.
granted the new 20€ keyseller pricetag is kinda nice.and yes i am gonna get overwatch.
>>338255230
>>338255330
>>338255496
> mistaking an intentionally emulated style with "amateurish" animations
Kids these days are used to see only shitty prerendered cut scenes.
>>338256091
What about the progression bothered you, anon?
You can unlock all of the heroes but 3 after a few hours of play. Items are easy to get, and white ones are usually better in PvP than legendaries.
Those 3 are harder to unlock because they're harder to play. I still see people with 100 hours playtime go 0 and 20 with them.
Until a few years back unlocking shit was not only standard, but enjoyed.
>>338255959
The performance is indeed shit.
>>338255945
There's a reason SJWs have made this hobby their playground. Most gamers have mushy children's brains that can be molded like clay.
>>338255883
Of course there are going to be good outliers in everything, but if you're going to compare generic hip hop that makes up the majority, and generic metal that makes up the majority, then metal has the edge simply because they have to at least play it.
What the fuck is with this run? I guess they're trying to do the 'epic ninja run' thing but I don't think I've seen anybody animate that run with their arms limply waving in the breeze behind them, bent forward at a perfect 90 degree angle with their legs held completely stiff under them. It looks like something from fucking looney tunes.
>>338255945
LOL. The only one who loved this video was gearbox shills.
Gearbox is a horrible developer, and they deserve all the shit they get from this game. I hope they go bankrupt and never work in the industry again
>>338256234
You're gonna have to try a lot harder than that.
Did someone say metal?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNaIdRdnsnw
>>338256450
>have to unlock the heroes with account level
>have to unlock helix options for each hero
>have to get gear from lootboxes
>have to save up money for future heroes so you don't have to buy the season pass.
maybe i'm just tired of all the grinding i already had to do in F2P games, and this isn't even a F2P game so it bothers me even more.
>>338256619
naruto is a pretty popular anime
>>338254136
>rap music
dropped
Or maybe a 30 minute epic featuring a shitload of instruments?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrc2M7cNPWk
the song is the only good thing. sounds like deltron 3030 and others seem to notice that as well.
love me some deltron.
>>338256791
>Piano player has to run over to the drums after finishing his solo because he does both
Fucking X Japan, man. One of the most technical bands in the world.
>>338254136
It's alright, the animation is a bit amateurish, but i still like it. The rap part is kinda unfitting. I like the intsrumental part though. The 3D parts are shit, should've drawin all parts. also it's way too long with not much happening/pretty long shots of a bit weird animations (especially walk cycles) so you recognize them more. Around 3 minutes with faster shots woud've been helpful for them.
It's really, really bad.
i dig it. the only other i like is the knights design. although all you have to do is make a knight that looks zealous as fuck and im down with it.
>>338256586
>outliers
Nice try faggot, some of the most well known artists have classic top tier releases in hip hop. Not just because "lol og thug status" yeah there has been a lot of shit but you don't have to look under a rock to find it.
Besides this conversation started because of Del being in this animation, who is also a fucking great artist.
>>338257241
>>338256752
It's a pretty common complaint so I guess I can dig it, but I didn't even notice any of it while playing.
>>338256671
Maybe I'm biased since I haven't played either of the games you're so butthurt about but
>counter strike and a bunch of half life mods
>tony hawk 3
>007 nightfire
>combat evolved
>borderlands
I remember growing up with and playing all of these games, and I fucking loved them.
Either way, as far as I'm concerned, companies are just people. Sometimes shit comes together and they make good games, sometimes it doesn't. Looks like they have a net win on good games vs. bad ones, though.
Most of the problems I have with Gearbox games are because of 2k. All of the rushed unfinished shit, the lack of marketing, the lack of anti-cheat, the way updates are working, the bad console ports. 2k gives most of the funding for Gearbox development, and they control how much time they have to spend on most of that shit.
There's a reason 2k was voted the worst publisher of all time.
I like the game but all the cartoon cutscenes are absolute cringe
>>338256234
>Kids these days are used to see only shitty prerendered cut scenes.
Actually, I prefer traditional animation so much that I've watched more this year than you probably have in your entire life. Its really not well animated, if they were trying to make it look like an amateur fan animation, they succeeded, but that doesn't make it good.
>>338257618
>growing up playing borderlands
>>338256671
i love when kids get so buttblasted they start calling people shills. its like we arent allowed to like things the /v/ hivemind doesnt like.inb4 shill/redditi dont even like the game, i just really like the intro and a good amount of the character designs.
>>338257748
>i just really like the intro and a good amount of the character designs.
>>338257636
I just close my eyes and try not to look very hard at the 3d models.
I don't say this lightly, but Battleborn has the absolute worst atstyle I've ever seen in any video game, and I'm pretty sure that's the main reason it flopped.
It's just so fucking ugly. I don't know where they got the guys who did the modeling for this game, but holy shit. The sad part is some of the concept art was actually pretty good.
The game really is good. MP is reminiscent of Global Agenda in a lot of ways, in terms of abilities and mechanics. Most fun I've had online in a while.
But good lord. So ugly. So ugly.
>>338256759
dissing del the funky homosapien
>ishygddt
http://youtu.be/yZJQFXvgQ_s
>>338257713
>growing up with and playing
>and playing
How could I have grown up with all of those games at the same time, anon. Dear lord.
>>338254136
Pretty uninteresting. Not bad, not unwatchable, but nothing that's really going to drive my interest. None of the visuals really got my attention in a good way, I hated the music, and none of the characters looked that appealing.
>>338257879
Not him but i actually like quite a few one, too. Haven't played the game, though. The Mushroom guy, girl/demon combo, that ice thing, evil jester kid and the birdguy look pretty good to me. Sadly the oney they're using for most adstuff are the most ugly ones imo.
has some real QUALITY moments
kinda reminds me of gal o sengen
Why are weeaboos always so mad about the west being objectively better at animatin than Japan? Lmao
>>338254136
Had to watch it twice because unskippable and I changed my settings during the tutorial. Needless to say it looks like shit, sounds like shit and I refunded the game in no time.
>>338257879
what? Rath looks fucking dope. i love the zealous paladin/knight look. shit gets me pumped. people might not like the artstyle but some of the designs arent bad.
>>338258101
>>338258129
Some of the characterization isn't bad, they did a good job with lore. Writing is certainly better than it was in Borderlands.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-XsFNO4RD1x6-WK_Uf6gW5Rs-51Pr-Ho
I don't like any of the designs, though. Truly. So bad.
>>338254136
Would be fine as fan animation, putting it into an actual, polished product is flabberghasting.
>>338254476
Don't bother, people just wanna hate on it. Funny thing is the people that like it are the ones who know about animation or arw animators themselves.
>>338256619
She's a throw bitch.
>>338258257
i love rath because i really enjoy the pompus, holy then thou look warriors can carrior around with them. i might have shit taste but the two ways to get me to love any character is give them a heavy french accent and make them look like zealous paladins.
he also reminds me of this guy and i so desperately wanted wildstar to be great.
>>338257930
Agreed. When I first played the Beta I was instantly put off by how... cheap everything looks. It looks like a F2P game.
Now I kinda like it. But did the art style and first impression have an affect on sales? For sure.
>>338255747
I'm glad I'm not the only one who heard this.
>>338258481
>Now I kinda like it.
This is the whole thing. Underneath all the shitty art, horrible visual clutter, and fucked up lack of polish, there's some kind of fun game underneath. It's just so hard to see.
If I hadn't bought it to fuck around with until OW, I wouldn't have figured it out either. But now I think I'll kinda keep playing it on and off.
>>338258619
This is me. Played maybe 2 hours of beta and uninstalled. Played overwatch beta everyday for hours on end. Massive gap and only doom to fill it, but plat it in 3 days. Bought it just because I knew there was at least enough content to do almost everything in the remaining time. One character lore done and all but 2 people remain locked. 4 more maps to silver and I'm done except grinding chieves and gear, just in time for OW where I abandon my backlog.
>>338258420
Oh god, Wildstar is possibly the only game even uglier than Battleborn. Nah, Battleborn is definitely uglier, but it's close.
What a huge goddamn disappointment of a game. It's the worst experience I've ever had playing an MMO, and I've played a lot of goddamn MMOs.
Quit the game after 3 weeks of playing and never looked back for a single moment.
I had more fun playing hide and seek in a housing plot with cute grills than I did with any actual experience the game had to offer.
>>338254136
>my pain is far greater than yours
>>338254136
It's way too long and feels like something from Newgrounds.
>>338256619
It's Narutos run/Sonics run
>>338257710
Sure kiddo, I bet you watch animu all day in your undies.
When you'll grow up, look for cult animations like Heavy Metal and Aeon Flux, maybe you'll get the references.
>>338258906
I'm left with Phoebe and Ghalt myself. The shitty matchmaking makes me not want to play the competitive modes. I haven't played as much as you have clearly since I've still got heaps of lore to unlock.
I don't know how nobody has managed to realise it's obiously influenced by samurai champloo
>>338258945
>wildstar almost as ugly as battleborn
>>338256450
Honestly, I'd rather just play a game like DotA or OW where everything is unlocked at the beginning.
Having to grind to unlock anything but cosmetics triggers me to no end.
It's one of the reasons why I eventually dropped League since unless you play 9 hours a day you won't be able to get all the champions.
>>338259032
Oh I meant i've only done one complete lore page for one character: orendi. I still need ghalt and deandre
>>338254136
>opening animation
I find it funny that french cucks in a company that is financially in trouble do a better job animating in Flash
>>338258997
>I bet you watch animu all day in your undies.
I said traditional animation, which anime isn't 99% of the time.
Also, while Heavy Metal and Aeon Flux are great, they're entry level as fuck
>>338254136
Stop shilling in /v/, for real, your animation is shit and so is your game.
i always thought that overwatch would be the new king when it comes to visual cluterfuck fights but then i saw battleborn.
>>338259118
What is it with people mentioning Samurai Champloo the last week, fuck. And I've also had Nujabes constantly cycling in the back of my mind.
Now I have no choice but to go rewatch it. What a chore.
>>338254136
>looks like mix between aeon flux and cartoon network
eh, looks shit - don't mind
>Nigger talking noises for apperently 7 more minutes
Nope
I heard it was unskippable if you start the game the first time - no wonder nobody plays this, people just f4 and uninstall
>>338254136
animation isn't that great
Music is alright but not good
They're just fighting robots
I guess they where going for some super-stylish fighting but the characters just blur around at super speed doing nothing.
Characters are boring and uninteresting. I've seen some of the characters in the game and it looks like they picked all the boring ones for the animation
>>338259118
wat
>>338259261
RIP in peace Seba :(
>>338259214
Are you that paranoid?
Why would a triple A company shill on a board with like 2000 posters maximum?
>>338259395
gearbox has been proven to shill on /v/ in the past. the problem is the kids who cant tell a shill from someone who enjoys things they dont.
>>338259214
>900 overwatch threads per hour day on every board filled with shillbots
>2 battleborn threads per day, each filled with a fixed number of shitposts
>after that fixed number the shitposts magically stop and actual discussion happens
I wonder which game is being shilled. It's a mystery. Let me set my tiny brain whirring and see if I can figure this out.
>>338259548
Yeah but that Tracer though.
>>338254696
I'd watch an Aeon series revival in this style.
>>338259630
>waifubait attracts waifufags
Amazing, I never would have guessed. I wonder why they made her covergirl for the game.
It's almost as if they wanted to circumvent the brain and go somewhere else. Mysterious. Very mysterious.
It's almost like Overwatch isn't fun and has no substance, and they wanted to distract people from that.
It's... no, I lost it. I thought I had something there for a second, but it's gone. I guess we'll never figure this out.
>>338259548
This.
That being said, I bought both games. I don't care if it's being shilled, I play both with friends and we're having fun. Destiny was fun too, so was The Division. Co-op is great. I still play autistic jrpg's etc., having a taste for multiple genres is normal.
>>338259390
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNqs3BvpRNw
Sounds a lot like Deltron 3030. Is it him?
>>338260094
yes. its a new track called countdown.
Is Battleborn even good? I was going to try the open beta but it started the same day Dark Souls 3 released and I wasn't playing BB over that.
>>338260179
Nah it's a shitty fps moba with the classic Gearbox mix on one-half horrible memes, and one-half blatant jew greed. If you really enjoy mobas then you might want to check it out but you could be playing the Paragon open beta instead which is a fuckload better in every aspect (especially graphically, Battleborn's art style is atrociously bad.)
>>338254136
Feminism is awesome!
>>338255883
VU&N is a shitty album though. White Light, White Heat isn't much better.
>>338257006
that's because it is del
>>338260179
I'd wait it out and see if they can fix some shit, to be honest.
The gameplay is great, and when you have a decent match it's massively fun. Fast paced, requires a lot of coordination, and has enough depth to keep things fresh.
Right now it's pretty fucked though. It's probably worth $30 though, if you want to grab it on a keysite. That's what I did.
>>338259872
You sound butthurt as fuck.
>>338260330
You really haven't played it, man.
There are no memes, they fired Burch a while back.
The pricing and shit set by 2k, not Gearbox. You can get it for $30 on keysites.
And the gameplay here is nothing like Paragon, which is a very standard MOBA.
It's a solid FPS, and the MOBA elements are non-invasive. It's got a lot of shit wrong with it, but it's far from bad.
>>338260179
yes it's pretty good, as long as you don't plan on talking about it here
>>338260654
>There are no memes
There is no humor in the game either
>>338260492
One of the big reasons I'm so iffy on it is I heard you have to grind Heroes like crazy and that sounds pretty shit, but maybe it's not so bad. How easy is it to get credits in the game. Heard the new hero was like 50,000. Either way probably going to wait like a month and see of the game is still alive to give it a try.
>>338260654
>It's a solid FPS, and the MOBA elements are non-invasive
>skills
>ultimates at level 5
>leveling
>minions
>lanes
>towers
>buying items
>moba elements
>not invasive
it's 50/50 ASSFAGGOT and FPS anon.
>>338254136
The animation is pretty good, it's reminiscent of the Japanese web-gen animators. The animators who worked on it work digitally and seem to be inspired by their Japanese counterparts. The opening's director also game them a lot of freedom to draw as they like, which is nice. Too bad about the music choice though.
>I wanted to preserve the keys as much as possible for each animator. That led to some parts being off-model, but I hope that people enjoy the work, nonetheless.
>>338259203
>I said traditional animation, which anime isn't 99% of the time.
>Japan, literally one of the few places out there that does 99% of their shows in traditional animation
It's obvious you have no idea what traditional animation is.
>>338260792
Credits are easy to come by. I never do any PvE and I have plenty of loot. I think the new heroes cost 45k, though I have a feeling based on the backlash they'll probably scratch that. Gearbox is usually pretty good with upkeep.
I didn't mind unlocking shit, but a lot of people do apparently. If you don't like one of the early heroes I guess it could be a problem, but that doesn't seem all that likely. I found my main (Reyna) after a few hours, so it just whizzed by for me. You're bound to enjoy a few of them.
There are only 3 heroes that are difficult to unlock - Deande, Kleese and Ghalt. They're also the 3 hardest heroes to play, so I'm sort of glad they did it.
They'll probably become MUCH easier to unlock if they ever actually put in proper matchmaking for the PvE missions. Right now it throws you together with random people and you have to vote for the mission you want, and you can't even queue for the advanced missions - you have to use the game's discord to find a group for it.
So it's not actually hard to unlock them, it's just annoying. One of the reasons you should wait until the next patch or something.
>>338254136
I hate the attitude at the start. Gearbox try way to hard to appear "fun" without actually being fun. If you're actually fun, you should be able to just indulge in that shit.
Some sarcastic guy reading a shitty script while acknowledging how shit it is at the start doesn't make your shit writing funny.
>>338261346
Fuck, didn't realise this version posted doesn't have the bit before, this is what I was talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg9VXGsm-DE
>>338260792
Some anon on /vg/ did some napkin math and found that it comes out to 32 hours of playing or so to get 47,500 credits. I don't think he was accurate, though, because the average amount of credits per mission for me is about 500. So in my case it should be around 48 hours or so.
I've unlocked all the original cast except Ghalt in 20 hours.
>>338254907
So? Plenty of people did, they straight up took the funds for Aliens for their shitty loot FPS and turned it into one of the most broken games ever released.
>>338260884
I really don't see why you mind anon, you clearly haven't played it.
I don't like MOBAs, and I enjoy this game.
In MOBAs there's a lot of waiting around and passively grinding. Teamfights are fairly rare. There are locked roles and you're forced to play those roles in very particular ways.
None of that shit happens in this game. As soon as you get into a lane you're in a teamfight. Leveling up, gaining crystals, and killing minions - that's all active shit that happens as a part of the teamfights. It flows naturally with the gameplay.
Item system isn't anything like you'd expect, you don't even want to buy them most of the time. Building tech gives you experience, and an experience advantage is almost always better than whatever bonus an item would give you. Most of the time you're better off with white items than you would be with epics or legendaries because of their cost.
It plays like an FPS with complex game modes. That's it. All it means is you have to play the game mode instead of just killing people. It requires a bit more coordination, and for you to be a bit more careful. Dying matters a lot, and kills aren't always easy to come by.
That's my read on the game. But hey, I've only played like 70 hours, I'm sure you're more of an expert than I am.
>>338261901
The way I see it is Battleborn is an objective-bassed FPS with many different objectives that fluidly change throughout the course of the game. The team's choice of which objective to pursue against the other team affects how the match plays out. Examples of objectives include pushing the minion wave, building the tower, taking the neutral NPC camp, building an item, or pushing opponents out of lane, or getting vision of the opponent. All this happens at once and all the time during the match.
>>338261901
>Leveling up, gaining crystals, and killing minions - that's all active shit that happens as a part of the teamfights.
oh you mean like a moba?
>you don't even want to buy them most of the time. Building tech gives you experience, and an experience advantage is almost always better than whatever bonus an item would give you.
oh like in a Moba where you don't really want to go back to base to buy items, because you gonna lose experience, and a higher level makes you stronger than your opponents, kinda like a MOBA
>you have to play the game mode instead of just killing people. It requires a bit more coordination, and for you to be a bit more careful.
oh like teambased 5 on 5 mobas? i gotcha
>Dying matters a lot, and kills aren't always easy to come by.
oh so it's just like feeding where you give your opponent more strength when he kills you? i see.
>>338254136
>first thought is "well this looks like shit"
>keep watching, it's eh
>rap kicks in
It's shit.
Reminder that the mushroom guy is the only interesting character and only because mushroom men are unexplored as fuck in vidya. Everyone else is shit.
>>338260383
That's some shit taste you have there.
>>338262320
He's a pretty fun guy.
>>338262320
also in JRPGs and RPGS you often find mushrooms.
and Dark souls has mushrooms that fuck you up.
>>338262084
Woah, let's back up. I'm glad you're not basing the game, but that's not exactly accurate.
There are no towers in this game. Turrets are pretty dinky, and all they take is one click to build if you have enough shards.
There are two game modes - Incursion and Meltdown, both of which take on different aspects of the typical moba shit.
In Incursion, there are NPC camps and one lane. Taking the center camp in that mode is usually a pretty big teamfight, pushing the minions waves to the objective is a teamfight, and you can usually find a fight in the side lanes or near crystals. You're not going to find most of that shit happening at the same time, though. You'll usually always have one pusher (someone who can kill minions really well) in the center. You'll have a few people dukeing it out over crystals, or pushing into the lane. But it's one lane. All of that shit is happening close to everything else, so people clearing minions will also probably be part of a side team fight, and people in the teamfight will be dicking on minions. It's more like... you both have castles you're trying to defend, with two NPC bosses and a bunch of tech to defend it with.
In Meltdown, it's very different. There are two lanes with minions and one central overhang that overlooks both lanes. There are no NPC minions. The only goal is to get the minions into a grinder any way you can. Teamfights happen all over the fucking place, anywhere from 1v1 to 5v5 as soon as the match starts. If you clear a wave, you either have to defend your backline tech or rotate and help the other guys. You can make solid dunks by running down middle and jumping on people, but center lane is also usually defended. None of it's locked roles though - people just run around wherever pressure is coming and going. Meltdown is all about how your team is applying pressure, and creating opportunities for your minions to get into the goal.
>>338262615
Go shill somewhere else. It's a mediocre fps moba with poor character design and graphics like absolute ass.
>>338262164
Yeah, that's exactly it.
Except for the part where none of the conclusions you just drew are in any way accurate.
Yes, it's formatted like a moba. That's why it's a MOBA-FPS, and not simply an FPS. It doesn't play like a MOBA, though, other than the fact that it's team-based and requires coordination.
I appreciate you helping me flesh out what the game is really like, though. This would've been a lot harder without a devil's advocate.
It honestly shows how much games design is better drawn then modeled in game
>>338254136
The opening animation is pretty sick after the dumb stone shit.
Unfortunate that the actual game doesnt look like that.
Im not interested in battleborn whatsoever. I dont like moba gameplay and the people that like mobas cant be fucked to play a shooter well.
It's a terrible middleground. overwatch did everything better even if that's a shit shooter too.
>>338262994
Paragon is better than both.
>>338262556
I meant playable mushrooms. Of courde as enemies there are more.
>>338262768
>just told people not to buy the game until they fix shit
>just told people not to buy retail, get it for $30 on a keysite
>just said how much I hate the artstyle and explained everything wrong with the game
I don't think enjoying a game, or trying to accurately represent it makes me a shill.
I'm also not sure why you care if you aren't interested in the game. If you're looking for reactions, try the Blizzdrones.
the animation looks like those shitty naruto episodes
>>338263134
>I'm also not sure why you care if you aren't interested in the game.
Because you're a fucktard shill who hides behind "oh you clearly didn't play the game if you think it's anything like a MOBA."
>>338261901
I'm kinda sad i missed the beta, it flew under my radar..
A Fox in Space got that feeling of old much better ffs
>>338263209
If by shitty you mean the only ones with actual animation you can fuck right off.
>>338263076
Is paragon actually fun? It has the slowest pacing I've ever seen in any game. It looks like an even more boring version of smite, with none of the fun a shooter would usually bring.
The only game I'm actually excited for is Gigantic. Hopefully it'll pick up interest now that it's no longer W10 exclusive. Now that's a game with a beautiful fucking artstyle.
>>338262860
I hate MOBAs too, and I ended up enjoying Battleborn. It is what it is.
>>338263253
I'm not hiding behind it, anon. Your complaints haven't reflected even a basic familiarity with the game's mechanics, so it is a reasonable conclusion to say you haven't played it.
If you have played it and still don't understand anything about it, that's a little confusing, but okay.
I'm down for negative reviews because there's a lot wrong with this game. If what people are saying is nonsense, though, I'm going to explain why because I don't think most of the hate is earned.
>>338260330
How the fuck can you recommend paragon to anyone? It is the worst moba I've ever played by far.
>>338263412
Yeah, I didn't learn about it until the last day of beta. Shitty marketing.
Beta didn't convince me, though. I thought it was boring as shit.
After watching a bunch of gameplay, still thought it was boring as shit. Most streamers are awful at the game, and what they show on youtube isn't anything close to what the game is like.
What finally convinced me was some obscure scrimage video of people competetively coordinating and playing well. Even then I still wasn't all that interested, but I figured it was worth $30.
I still think it's only worth about that much.
>>338254136
does gearbox actually employ any artists?
everything to do with this game looks disgusting
>>338254476
You must understand that people expect less derivative work from a company like this. Almost any decent character animator in a junior year of college has done 1 or 2 minutes of anime-influenced battle scenes, with swipes that distort characters and exaggerated, physics-defying posing. Almost all students graduating right now from an animation program has devoted 50% of their reel to "me too"shit like this.
The fact that the setting is derivative, that there is no story beat or arch, that there is not even a hint of motivation (other than a few faces mugging between swipes here and there) is what makes it disappointing. On top of that, the character design is so unoriginal that the lack of quiet moments just makes it impossible to be invested on any of these. This is an animation made by average animation technicians, not writers and creatives.
Hopefully the game has more to offer, but I have my doubts.
>>338263675
Paragon is ok, since it's free there is no reason not to try it.
they recently patched the game to make it faster.
also has a great sense of progression when the items eventually make you stronger.
it also looks nice.
the point where it clicked with me is when the tank went into line of sight to block the incomming bullets from the enemy to save me, that was cool.
also having to last hit in a 3D environment in a 3rd person shooter is quite interesting and challenging, more than just "click on this dude to get money"
it's more fun than smite IMO, but it has some terrible design decisions in it, like random lootboxes that contain your purchasable items.
also no idea how balanced it it since i didn't play THAAAAT much and haven't played in weeks.
it's more MOBA than battleborn.
>>338263675
Paragon is not fun. Most of the heroes are literally clones of lol champs with less interesting abilities, if you can believe that. It's absolutely terrible.
>>338264012
I don't think that's it at all, people are much more basic than that when it comes to their consumer opinions.
There are only three factors here.
>The artstyle is utter shit
>The marketing is utter shit
>They tried to fight the Blizzdrone hypemachine instead of working around it, and got utterly shit on
That's why people hate this game. Have you noticed people never so much as mention to gameplay for this game?
The closest they come is to say "It's like Overwatch, except Overwatch is better."
They've got no clue, man. That's pretty much the only reason I'm here talking about it.
>>338254136
>MOBA
Not even gonna bother watching.
>>338264012
>Almost all students graduating right now from an animation program has devoted 50% of their reel to "me too"shit like this.
You sure about that? A lot of student shorts from animation schools like Gobelins and CalArts looks nothing like anime and looks very western rather than anime-inspired. Very few of them are action-driven even.
Anyway, the animated opening isn't by Gearbox themselves, but rather it's by Secret Sauce Studio; they seem to be a relatively new company.
>>338255181
>Its doing really poorly, so I assume they've started shilling like crazy on every major website to try and make back some of what they're losing.
There's a campaign on reddit/battleborn going on right now to try and get as many people as possible into playing the game. This is likely why we've seen an increase in Battleborn threads here. Criticism is dealt with accusations of being Blizzard fanboys or OW shills, as an overly defensive fanbase tries to justify their purchase of a game that will be dead within a few months if the stats remain how they are looking now.
The devs have already resorted to double XP weekends which is some F2P-tier shit.
>>338264332
I was talking about this animation exclusively, but I get ya. I haven;t actually seen game footage, and to be honest, I don't care. I have a backlog of 30+ games that seem more interesting, and when Overwatch gets to my friends, they will push me to play it. There's just so much time and dedication I can give to a game.
There are way too many good games for Gearbox to be coming out with unoriginal shit.
>>338254136
As someone who actually does know a good amount about art and animation, considering my father had just recently graduated from art and animation college, so I got to learn a fair bit myself, it honestly looks like shit.
The animation is too inconsistent, it tries to seamlessly blend 2D animation and character designs with computer graphics, and it fails to make it not look incredibly obvious. It's lazy in that regard. Also, when the girl's standing on top of the aircraft in the beginning, you can see how she's standing completely still while it's shaking slightly back and forth as it flies, which means they obviously just layered her on top of it and didn't bother to try and make it look convincing because it's far away.
The character designs do not lend themselves well enough to be designed in 2D, let alone in animation. Everything looks incredibly awkward and it looks like a Junior's first project and they had run out of time so they had to finish it quick.
It's overly-exaggerated to the point of looking amateurish, like they don't properly understand fast movement or how it's supposed to look, as well as smearing.
The story, or lack thereof, is pretty awful as well. Maybe I'd understand it a bit more if I played or knew about the game, but it feels more like an AMV/a cheap animation for the song playing, which was okay, but it felt like they were trying to be "too cool" than anything else, and this is Gearbox, so their stories are usually pretty garbage, not that they care, they'd rather have the coolness factor, as I mentioned earlier, than be consistent, or actually make a good game. At this point they feel like the 'we accept all the college grads/hipsters' company that allows everyone they can that have all these semi-creative ideas but have a hard time differentiating it enough to tell it apart from their inspiration, so at the end of the day, it feels and looks sloppy and is almost embarrassing.
I hope I conveyed my thoughts alright there.
>>338265990
Also, one last thing.
The only people that would like it or even think it to be passable are people that know absolutely nothing about art and animation and/or have only seen maybe a handful of things.
>>338266426
Yeah, that's the unwashed masses for you. It looks eye catching, therefore it's good animation. It's catchy, therefore it's good music.
>>338265990
It's not very polished, but I think it's just very anime-inspired. The animators who worked on the cinematic seem to be inspired by anime hence the action is very flashy and uses a lot of smears.
These are some of the animators who worked on the cinematic.
http://jeffreylai.tumblr.com/
https://vimeo.com/86521245
http://www.cartoonbrew.com/promote-article/ulysse-malassagne-88132.html
>>338264726
Wow, by this graphic it will have 0 players in less than a week..
>>338254136
Pic related was a cool, little sequence. I'm a sucker for robots wearing clothes for some reason.
Other than that it's all just too bizarre. I can tell they were trying to go for some sort of vague, neon 80's aesthetic or something, but it doesn't fit the actual game's color-vomit look. And that "effortlessly hip and cool" tone they're using in this vid also doesn't mesh with the actual game's inane "Gearbox-brand XD trying too hard" writing.
But I guess they're just coasting on the normies that will blindly praise it for just being "hand-drawn animation with a 'unique' look and hip music", when really it's just too uncanny for its own good and really amateurish-looking.
>>338254136
Not too bad for a small inexperienced team making a budget title with a very short deadline.
>>338254136
The bara guy is the only one that makes this watchable.
>>338266579
>It's not very polished, but I think it's just very anime-inspired
Whenever I went over to the college and saw what some of the other students were working on, a lot of them did a semi-anime style, or at least tried to. Most of the time it just looked very bad and looked like they didn't even really know what they wanted to do or make, like taking inspiration but not understanding how it's supposed to look, in a way.
Anime style is probably the simplest style, it's like cartoons where it doesn't have to look that very realistic, so they can make exaggerated characters and designs, and the movement can be fast paced, even though in the Battleborn animation, it just looks wonky.
>>338266650
You know, now that you post that, thanks for pointing out the lack of shading on pretty much everything. It's all one flat color, so that's what makes the animation look especially bad. It's just lazy animation, and it looks unfinished. Not to mention it feels like it goes on forever, there's not really much time for the viewer to breath in between all that's happening, it's just shit flying at you for the whole 5 minutes.
This game is just Gearbox's attempt to siphon money from 2k for Borderlands 3
>>338256619
>>338267046
>Anime style is probably the simplest style, it's like cartoons where it doesn't have to look that very realistic
If anything, I find western cartoons to have more animation-friendly designs and that's something I'd like to see more in anime. Design simplification does happen in anime when adapting from material like say, manga or light novels but there's still rather detailed hair or complex costume designs which makes it a pain to animate. Also, I don't see anything wrong with exaggerated designs and animation, it just depends on how it's done.
Anyway, while the opening has some weird moments like the awkward run cycle at the start and the flat colouring isn't very appealing, I think it's a well-animated short. The effects animation is stylish and the loose animation helps in making movements look fast and impactful.
>>338267046
I was just about to reiterate and point out how long it was, too. It just drags on and on with janky action sequences that are really hard to read and tell exactly what's happening or what they're doing (especially red sword guy), and the fact it's so long means there's more time for us to see how janky and "off" the animation is.
If it was 2 or 3 minutes tops, it probably wouldn't have been nearly as unfortunately embarrassing. The fact it's 5 minutes makes me think they weren't really putting much thought into this, and the biggest offender is that they were probably really confident (i.e. cocky) that 5 minutes of unreadable, uncanny action with hip hop music was all they needed to make their game look cool and appealing.
>>338267596
Fucking weeb shit looks awful. Why are the kids into it again?
>So, what do you think of Battleborn's opening animation?
Embarrassing, probably one of the most cringiest things I've seen in awhile.
>>338268809
>kids
Kids who loved nuruto grew up already. It's all college grade autists now. Kids today like farytail and SAO.
>>338269137
>Kids today like farytail
That series would probably do dangerous and crazy things to me if I saw it as a kid
I understand a lot of people dislike having to unlock characters, but I think it increased my playtime in Battleborn. It gave me a goal to work towards. I don't think I would have played it for anywhere near the 40 hours I did if I had everything from the start.
>>338269410
Then it's a bad game
>>338269410
Evidence an artificial barrier to content you need to grind past, even though you've already paid for the game, works. The point is some people don't have the time to fucking grind, and those that do have better games to play.
>>338269602
yeah, you know what I love most about OW?
I can jump in and literally play a game when I have like 10 minutes of time.
Even if I have JUST a little downtime and want to shoot the shit, I get in, play a game, and it's done.
You know what I have enough of? Mobas where it take 30+ minutes to win or lose a game
>>338269137
fairytail is as old as naruto
>>338254136
very bad music selection
animation is pretty good but it lacks rhythm and punch and combined with bad music the video ends feeling meh
