So we're all in agreement that Kiefer Sutherland was absolutely the right decision over Throat Cancer right?
And that it was a shame that he didn't get that many lines?
>>338224592
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPnTa1UJPEI
>he cant do the voice anymore
they said
>hes been going downhill since MGS2
they said
No he was shit
What does it matter? The character sucks. The game sucks too.
>>338224696
He never got to talk, how would you know?
Kiefer was FAR from the biggest problem this game had
https://soundcloud.com/gboon/sets/removed-venom-snake-sutherland-dialogue
https://soundcloud.com/gboon/sets/youre-fired-and-more-cut-snake-dialogue
>>338224592
Yeah he's got a better 'Mature' snake voice, not meant for throwing one-liners like Hayter
He was good, nice balance between Cygan and Hayter.
>>338224592
this b8 is of extremely poor quality
>MGS series is over
it hurts
I don't think he fits it well. Too serious for the series.
Also, Hayter's best performance is in MGS4. Prove me wrong.
>>338224592
Kaz was the true hero imo
>THIS IS THE ENEMY ON HIS KNEES!
>>338225051
Actually being serious
Did they get Skullface's lines in the actual cutscenes to be written by a completely different guy than who wrote his lines in the tapes, and give them different descriptions of the character and not let them talk to each other about their work?
>>338224592
No he was shit, but that's your own opinion so we are not in agreement
>>338224592
Both of these statements are confirmed true.
God speed anon.
>>338224592
Does not even matter considering Not Snake is a fucking mute throughout the game. Kojima could of saved money and had a complete nobody voice him.
>>338224696
Nigga his "we'll make diamonds from their asses" scene was better than MGS2's, 3's and 4's voice acting combined.
Also this >>338225151
>>338225110
>too serious for the series
Having a range doesn't make it too serious. Hayter's awful HRRRRRRRRRRRKK [REPEAT LAST WORD SAID] dialogue stopped being funny by 3.
>>338224592
It was worth it to see Hayter get this butthurt. Seriously, you could have replaced him with the worst voice actor in history and it would have been worth it. The last thing we need is overpaid voice actors thinking they need to get paid more, thus helping to push games becoming more expensive, or having less content. I mean, when I go on jobs and get paid $500 - $1000 an hour for the actual work I do, instead of the time I spend sitting around playing games, you will never see me complain.
>>338224592
It was okay, but if he wasn't going to say anything anyway why didn't they just go with Hayter
>when you were given all the tools to make the best Metal Gear Solid game but make the worst one instead
>>338225151
Best voice acting in the whole game.
Atkin Downes really rocked it.
>>338224592
I was personally fine either way. It was everything else that killed my interest in the game.
Should I give GZ a shot? I don't wanna play the same fucking mission over and over again just to unlock stuff in MGSV but I don't want to start MGSV knowing I don't have everything. Eventually I need to play it, even if the story is ass.
>"Herro, you have reached Hideo Kojima, I'm not able to answer my phone at the moment, reave a message after tha beep" *beep*
>...Hey uh... Mister Kojima, it's me Kief, just wondering if you wanted me to come back to the studio for more recording anytime soon, I'm really looking forward to working with you more on this, just uh, could I get a bit more stuff to do, I'm having a hard time really being able to portray the character with what you've given me. I'm not really busy much these days, so I'm uh... looking forward to doing more stuff for the game...
>...
>...Look, just give me a call whenever you need me again... uh... thanks...
>>338224592
No. Kiefer did a good job, but Hayter will always be Snake in many people's eyes. The reason why Hayter did the cancer voice was because the voice director told him to. Sick of retards thinking Hayter chose to do that voice on his own. Hayter is more than capable of doing his MGSV voice.
>>338225869
He is a really good va I honestly want to play everything he acts in.
So what about Troy Baker as Ocelot?
>>338224890
Would be cool if Venom Snake wasn't a nothing character.
>>338224592
i really wish he was talkative like in GZ
TPP was such a let down cause you had such a good voice with keifer and then venom barely talks
>>338226112
I enjoyed the fact he made Ocelot sound like a cowboy.
>>338226112
It would have been cool if he actually acted like Ocelot.
>>338226112
Horrible, southern accent from out of nowhere that then gets replaced with Zimmermans accent later. Baker is a hack
>>338226112
Completely generic, boring, and unfiting of the character because of it
>>338226348
Baker needs to go back to doing anime. Voice actors need to stop thinking they're hot shit all the time, if I was an actor I'd probably do any job I got offered.
>>338225990
Meant to say MGS1. Fucking auto correct.
>>338224592
He was pretty good, but Atkin Downes was the true star imo
>>338226112
He was alright but Miller stole the show.
Hamburger's and all, as I stated before the whole trial scene, caring for his men. I loved mgsv for caring about characters who are literally fodder, the saluting and everything made me tear up.
>>338226618
Him and otacons VA were the only 2 who were actually utilized and performed well
>>338224890
Does he quote the fucking train stations or whatever that the AI in 2 listed off?
>>338224667
>He was never good to begin with
He was barely passable in MGS1, because actual voice work in console games was in its' infancy. He was always shitty. Ōtsuka and Sutherland are better by miles. He did a shitty 'voice' for years that everyone made fun of. He sounds like a gruff autistic Valley Girl.
>>338226618
I love miller more as time goes on. Best character in phantom pain that's why BB's betrayal hit him so much.
You don't burn a brother in arms on the pyre.
>>338226796
Yes.
>>338226868
>He was barely passable in MGS1
what is wrong with you
>>338226112
boring, unfitting and completley forgettable, but that was the fault of KojiPro not really the VA
>>338225097
>tfw we never got a game about the Boss running around during WWII and being a general badass bitch.
>>338226721
FUCK HUEY. I wish we could have atleast had the decision to have Ocelot and Miller torture him to death ala meryl/otacon.
>Easier to tell yourself a convenient lie than face a horrible truth.
Isn't the whole point that it's someone else trying to sound like big boss
>>338224592
>mumble every line in the same flat monotone droll
>no guys he's totally better than David.
>>338227231
>tfw we never got metal gear solid about revolutionary war snake working for the REAL patriots
>>338227253
That's why I liked his VA, same voice for two characters. Like one, despise the other.
>>338227310
No because explain Ground Zeroes
>>338227310
That doesn't explain why medic always sounded like he was about to fall asleep.
>>338225913
>Eventually I need to play it, even if the story is ass.
It's really not that bad, it's just not very gratifying end.
I suggest you wait for a sale, since I wouldn't pay more that $5 for GZ imo.
Funny story but I saw that Sutherland was coming to this little dive bar in town. Turns out the dude is a pretty decent country musician. The guy can actually sing pretty well. Fun show. Check him out if he's still touring.
>>338227231
>tfw never get a game playing as boss recruiting wolf and raven, the plot could take place during tpp and cia or something is investigating him and shit.
I just imagine boss doing all that during tpp say what you will about venom it fixed a plothole.
>>338227398
He was pretty convincing with his bullshit.
>That isn't a dog, it's a wolf!
>>338224890
Pause. Pause. Pause. What's wrong? Pause.
Xbox, pause.
>>338227547
I will try and catch him on the county fair circuit
>>338227392
Nigga you just went full Assassins Creed
>>338227559
That would have being cool as shit, too bad we'll never get it.
>>338227487
Ground zeroes was venom snakes original brain washing
This games story actually would have been really legit with 3 changes.
1. Make Venom an actual character instead of a player insert. You can still make the metaphor work with the player freedom during gameplay angle = you are big boss. But let venom have his damn personality and express himself more often. Do this by adding more events and story scenes back home at motherbase.
2. Make Skullface more threatening and give him a bigger presence throughout the game. Have people you rescue tell you horror stories about "The Man without a Face" and make some of those filler sidequests into flashbacks. Malak tells you when you rescue him that "they burned" his village down. Referring to XOF. What if you then got a playable flashback where you had to escape as Malak- as XOF systematically burned his village down, while you hear skullface commanding them and giving them orders.
3. Give each type of "Skull" unit (Fog, Armor, Sniper) a "leader" who is basically a super version of that skull with a personality and very unique moves to serve as traditional bossfights in the game. They introduce themselves and talk during a Skull Units introduction/first fight, and then later there will be an actual fight one on one vs the skull unit leader.
For example, Fog Skull Leader would taunt you as you escape with Miller. Later during the "Where do the Bees Sleep?" he will show up as a one on one Boss fight if you either kill all of the skulls in the area or if you escape those skulls he will cut you off for a fight further down the canyon before extraction.
Also, it goes without saying, but give chapter 2 content!
>>338224890
Most of that is still there except for maybe some of the stuff he says to Paz.
>>338225151
I 100% believe that, that line right there was the greatest line ever. The sheer emotion and voice acting on that line is legendary. It gives me chills whenever I hear it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ppoKfEFvwm8
chief kief did a good job
>>338225990
I'm sure he is still completely capable to do the 'voice', but he has never been capable of acting. Ever. And that gets worse every single game
>>338227073
I have a set of functional ears. David Hayter is fucking horrible and he always has been. Ohtsuka is better by fucking miles. I'm glad that they hired an actor to play Venom. I feel like I've had this conversation a thousand times. Everyone you know is capable of doing Solid Snake/Big Boss' voice. Everyone.
>>338229102
...metal gear?
>>338224592
I thought Kiefer did a great job for what little dialogue he had, its disappointing venom didn't have as much dialogue as big boss did in GZ. I can see what Hideous Kojimbo was going for with venoms character though.
His lack of dialogue was just disappointing the skull face jeep scene was made even worse by the fact venom does not talk a single time during it.
I also hated that one of the best scenes in the game where venom actually acts like big boss for once is optional and most people probably won't see it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifY5kktFw44
>>338227312
How is 'everything I say is a question' Hayter better? I'll never understand the love he gets. I played MGS1 over and over again when it came out. I made fun of his cheesy awful voice from the start and it only goes downhill. The first game gets a pass due to it's age. Everything after that is a fucking mistake.
>>338228397
The intensity he projects in that one sentence is staggering.
>>338227545
Oh, I own both. They're installed even. It's just, knowing there's hardly any story and what's there is pretty shit, not to mention the tweest, I was so supremely disappointed that I haven't been able to bring myself to play it.
I was so, so very pumped when the Nacho Kind of People trailer came out, then hyped as fuck when the Nuclear trailer came out. Then it was just the same footage over and over and I knew something was wrong.
The actual outcome was still worse than I had anticipated. Knowing this is probably the last game in the series depresses me way more deeply than is healthy.
>>338229661
I think everyone agrees that Downes was the super star of this game.
>>338226112
He did fine as ocelot but the VA was not even the problem with ocelot. The biggest problem with ocelot was that he is a completely different character for no reason. Its made even worse when you realize he went back to being who he was in MGS3 in MGS1.
So he goes from being his cocky flamboyant self in MGS3, does a 180 and becomes mature and super serious then does another 180 and goes back to how he was. Chronologically he does a completel 360 throughout the timeline personality wise which makes little sense.
>>338226721
Huey was one of the best characters in the game and one of the only ones with a complete story (minus battle gear not having any relevance) they did such a great job making you hate how much of a conniving backstabbing shitbag he was.
>>338229843
Fucking play the game you stupid ass hat. Venom not being Big Boss was never a fucking twist in the first place. It was fucking obvious. I really hate people that shit all over a game without playing it for themselves.
>someone on /v/ told me that it was bad so it is really bad!
The game is clearly not everything that Kojima wanted it to be, but to deprive yourself of playing it is a shame.
>>338230148
>it was never a twist
>the last mission is called TRUTH
Yes you're clever for noticing that kiefer voiced the guy next to you
Hell I made my guy look like Solidus and named him Jack
>>338224592
He did great.
Hayter was incredibly memorable and I loved his performance in the other games. It was goofy as fuck, but if fit, and it was an iconic voice for an iconic character.
Kiefer was far more subdued and serious in his approach to the voice, and he was iconic as well, albeit in a different way. I don't know if replacing Hayter was a good idea or not, but Kiefer was a good choice.
>>338230148
Well, that was kind of what my initial post was about. Are the GZ bonuses worthwhile? Should I just skip it and play TPP?
I own both but I feel silly putting a few hours into a demo just to get bonuses in the main game.
>>338230572
Play it. It's got fun stealth gameplay, just look at it like a side mission.
>>338230572
You don't have to grind as much for supplies and background info is worth it.
>>338230751
>>338230896
Alright, alright. I'll start this weekend. Thanks, anons.
>>338231020
Also if you're playing console you can put cd's and on pc put your own soundtrack only in gz but tpp you have to do file manipulation on pc.
>>338231020
Also a sidequest/op that I won't spoil but it makes almost no sense unless you play gz.
>>338229297
I love that lone "oh my god" when he gets stabbed
>>338231704
I hate that the scene is impossible to get if you play competently.
>>338232259
Not even competently, you have to actively just stay out in the field and do nothing forever
>>338224592
i agree to an extent, david hayter should never have been both big boss and solid snake but kiefer did a really poor job in mgsv, they should have cast an actual voice actor with experience in voice acting and a genuine interest in the role which is emphasised by how much christopher randolph, robin atkin downes and even donna burke as a fucking gps outperformed him
>>338232372
Geez the game is too playable for me to ever get it then.
>>338224592
Not really. He just sounded kind of drunk and bored. I was more disappointed with the facial capture. Kojima made a big deal about that but his face barely had any movement or expression in it throughout the game. I'll agree that Kaz was great though.
>>338232597
Kiefer did well
Huray for Travis Touchdown.
>>338225183
it was really weird seeing one of the best villains in metal gear turning into dick dastardly but honestly i think the game needed more of the charm from shit like "such a lust for revenge"
>>338233051
>one of the best villains in metal gear
are you retarded?
>>338224592
>Kiefer Sutherland was absolutely the right decision
His most memorable quotes are "Rocketto punch!", "Eat this!" and"Don´t die ahab!"
>>338233051
Skullface was the best villan this series will ever have. The bell ringing tape is intense.
>>338225183
God Skull Face in Ground Zeroes was so fucking good. I can't believe how shit he turned out to be.
>>338225913
honestly i think gz is the better game of the two, you cant argue with the value added with more playtime and its fairly apparent from the controls and the like that gz wasnt the final product but theres something about it which just leaves me thinking its better even if i play it less often than tpp
probably down to the lack of grind and its level design
>>338233212
I can't get enough of these fucking edits
It's not even like he was actually there, he was just cleaning up red tape
>>338233212
>>338233245
He was still great in the tapes, it was just the cutscenes he was a completely different person
>>338233212
>>338233245
>>338233143
>not being taken from a small village.
>>338233367
Ikr it's funny for that reason. I only have 2 pictures of it Idk where to find more.
>>338226112
served as a nice enough though imperfect bridge between keaton and zimmerman though it sucks that ocelots character was so comparatively dull outside of a few cute nods to previous games
i get that there has to be a point in his life where he isnt triple crossing everyone around him but it was a let down regardless
>>338233406
I almost didn't notice he was there, took a double take to see it. Holy shit that is amazing.
>tfw literally every single fan theory was better than what we actually got
>>338233720
Huh
>>338233720
Quiet is tranny Chico
>>338231202
no, you just copy and paste music into the "custom soundtrack" folder
>>338232723
You can trigger it by having negative GMP which lowers morale a ton.
>>338233143
listen to the audiotapes in ground zeroes, he was really, really good as a villain
the voice, the look, the backstory, the fact that he was doing all this ocelot-tier shit
he was absolutely great until tpp where what character he had was burned up
>>338233212
>>338233406
>>338233415
holy shit im fucking dying is there anymore of these
>>338234827
>>338233673
holy shit i didnt notice snake was there either
>>338234927
this is fuckin gold
>>338234927
>>338233720
true though this particular theory is retarded
>>338235050
>>338235032
>>338227073
Somebody always has to hate something or it isn't /v/.
>>338229883
You're retarded. The reason Ocelot acts as the straight man is that TPP is the first time in the series he isn't acting as a double or triple agent. It's in his best interest to act as a mentor/advisor to Venom as Ocelot is firmly on Big Boss' side.
Kiefer actually did a great fucking job in this, prior to release I was firmly in the Hayter camp but there's no one he could deliver the lines in "Shining Lights, Even in Death" with such gravitas. Go watch the ashes scene on YouTube, you can even hear Sutherland's voice crack as he speaks.
>>338233720
Zadoorknob being Skull Face would've been interesting as hell
Paz being Psycho mantis is fucking retarded though
Nobody will remember MGSV snakes performance, they could have easily got some random guy off the street and still would have done an equally good performance. Keifer is forgettable and generic as fuck. shit like this is what makes games so much worse
>>338224592
what SHOULD have happened is they should have had kiefer play V and not the actual boss
man i miss these comfy mgs threads
>>338236409
I only remember Miller,Skullface, and Huey.
Skullface should have had a boss fight it could have been The Boss 2.0.
>tfw I love Skullface.
>>338233406
>>338234927
>>338235050
>>338235121
where do these come from? I only have the 2 I posted before from a previous thread.
>>338224592
Nah, he's a complete fish out of water. Not bad, just doesn't fit in.
I got a giggle when Kojima said he picked Sutherland because he wanted to have an actor that could portray an older man with subtlety and nuance...and then literally everyone else was still the same hammy weirdos they've always been, if not moreso than ever.
Hayter was good at making Snake a hammy weirdo, which fit in flawlessly with the cast of hammy weirdos. Sutherland just makes him a generic video game soldier-type protagonist. He had one scene where his delivery was great and intense (shining lights,) and then that scene went on to affect -not a damn thing- with Venom's personality, convictions, or...ANYTHING! Maybe if Kojima was planning to go somewhere with Snake's character that Hayter's delivery couldn't bring, I might be more forgiving, but as it stands, MGSV was a game that went out of it's way to waste my time.
Seriously, anyone that prefers Sutherland over Hayter is completely out of touch with what was so unique and fun about Snake and needs to fuck off out of the MG fandom. We need less of you retards.
>>338225869
This. Fucking Robin is a fucking wizard with his voice.
>>338228676
He's never been able to do ACTUAL acting, but his Snake voice has always been iconic, and he built up weird quirks with Snake's line delivery that defined him in a lot of ways. What he did worked, and it worked well With Sutherland, those quirks were lost, and we got nothing of substance in their place. Just a bored, personality-less Jack Bauer with a shapeshifting shrapnel horn.The worst part is, Akio's performance had to mimic Sutherland's, so even based Ohtsuka barely had his signature god-tier presence and emotion. Sounded like a bored Anavel Gato the entire time...
>>338237395
>I only remember Miller,Skullface, and Huey.
>remembering Skullface
Miller, Huey, and Ocelot got the most screentime.
>>338238060
It's a secret to everyone.
>>338224592
nah
the other guy would of done more lines than keifer
too many times when i would hear the exact same grunt or key phrase over and over again.
keifer just didn't record that many lines.
>>338226112
Sounded nothing like ocelot. He sounds like an american cowboy.
>>338238504
>This world will become one, I have found the way. Race, tribal affiliations, national borders even our faces will be irrelevant. The world that the boss envisioned will finally become a reality and will make mankind whole again.
Zero for what little he was in the game was talking some sense.
>>338238194
Skullface didn't have as much screentime but he was way more memorable than Ocelot.
>>338238060
theyre all screenshots from mgs3
>>338226112
God fucking awful.
Some of this falls on the script and Kojima's direction, but this was a major failure by all parties involved.
Patrick Zimmermann should have been brought back, along with Ocelot being the over the top fuck he is.
Sutherland is a good voice actor, but its just odd when you have one guy for so lonf then change it.
I was avoiding all mgs5 info for a while so i dont know if they gave an official reason but they perhaps did it to give the character a more serious tone to go along with the overall more serious tone of the game.
Also nig boss was not hayter in mgs4, so they may have been trying to create the transition from young boss to old boss here.
All this despite the twist
>>338239864
I thought baker was good but ocelot was flat and not over the top as he should be.
He even has the "engravings give you no tactical advantage" line. You know, the guy who flips his pistols around like a circus act and bounces bullets off walls. And meows.
>>338239659
I found them;-)
>>338240038
I just unlocked his pistol. In the description it says it ricochets, does it?
>>338240196
Yes
The story pisses me off, but for some reason I can't stop playing this game.
Is this what fun feels like?
>>338224890
>they removed "youre fired" and "consecutive... c... q... c"
UNFORGIVABLE
>>338224592
The only thing that stuck out to me is the hearltess sea scene. Everything else is forgettable but I agree PW, PO and MGS3 should've had different VA from Hayter. Big Boss =/= Snake
>>338240405
same
i keep coming away everytime feeling like ive wasted my time but then when i go back to play something else i always just play mgsv fob missions and mgo
i dont know why i do this
>>338240595
It's easy to pick up and play. And you like to grind for supplies
>>338240595
Am I a cuck for having my base nonlethal?
Am I the only who kills guys when they aren't useful?
>>338227253
An obsessive devotion to continuity(that nobody really gives a shit about) is the entire reason why we got V in the first place. Its fitting that they wouldn't let Huey get hurt.
>>338240684
It doesn't hurt having good gameplay also.
I don't play FOBs because I'm always seen and the single player spoiled the fuck out of me.
>>338240795
True but could've thrown in a time paradox though.
>>338227559
>fixed a plothole
That nobody cared about and was really already sufficiently filled. Big Boss narrowly avoided death in mg1 and recovered due to cyborg implants.
>>338240038
I think he only twirls his revolver once on the whole game, on the cutscene where he gives it to Quiet. It's a complete abomination. I mean, why is Ocelot even in the game when literally anyone could have replaced him and made it work as is in TPP.
Kiefer did a great job in the role, and anyone who says otherwise is memeing out of devotion to Hayter who hasn't delivered a good performance since MGS2.
I love the subtle differences in performance between the real Big Boss and Venom
>Venom is quiet and subdued, he often sounds confused and is very passive in conversation, as befitting a man with a constructed identity with no real memories of his own
>Big Boss is the Snake we know and love, more emotional and passionate, he cracks jokes and gets angry over Ocelot bringing up Solid and Liquid, overall sounds like the badass we expect Snake to be
That's actual ACTING and not just HRGGHGHMETALGEAR????
>>338224592
Nah. He is inferior in pretty much every way except name recognition. Hayter still has it and it was unfortunate that they replaced him.
>>338240791
Yes. A non lethal FOB is asking to get robbed.
If you actually want to stop people, switch it to lethal long range.
>>338241030
True but the thing I want to know about now is did Miller and BB train snake together? Which "BB" trained him?
>>338240791
non lethal bases are disasters waiting to happen, the only real benefit they have is the ability to use gas masks, otherwise most invaders will demolish your fob without much in the way of difficulty
use long/mid range lethal
>>338240038
My headcanon explanation for this is that Ocelot is putting on an act when he's working. When he's with Venom and Diamond Dogs, he's able to be more relaxed and personable.
Regardless, Ocelot really should have had a bigger role in this game than just mission control. Hell, if we had seen him kick some ass during the Mother Base takeover just once I would have been okay with it, but the dude does absolutely nothing after the hospital escape
>>338241201
I'll switch it up then.
>>338241252
Wu S+B will completely wreck non lethal bases. Non lethal is a mistake.
>>338241262
He tries to be Miller but fails at it.
>Team Miller or Team Ocelot?
I'm a Miller man myself.
>>338241206
Real Big Boss. Fake Big Boss dies in Zanzibar. The Truth ending is supposed to be happening right before the final battle of Metal Gear. It's shit but yeah
>>338225151
>true hero
>literally helps the patriots take over the whole world because he's pissed his buddy walked away
>>338241580
But why when Miller states he'll raise his son up to destroy him. I want to know the definitive answer if BB and Miller trained him together or not.
>>338241206
big boss wouldve trained solid snake prior to outer heaven
>>338226618
>He didn't lose a damn thing!
>THIS IS THE ENEMY! AND HE'S HERE - ON HIS KNEES!
The way he delivered the line was fantastic.
>The only MGS Hayter does not voice Snake is the worst in the series
Coincidence? I think not.
>>338241704
Nigga BB betrayed everything he stood for and more. Miller was dedicated to his men down to the grunt pissant of course he wants to fuck BB up after that. The medic was a loyal comrade more so.
>The comrades I've lost
>>338241428
Anon what, Ocelot's written like shit in this game but he gets Venom to do exactly what he wants the whole time. I don't see how he's trying or failing to be Kaz at all.
Sutherland did fine, I do wish he was allowed to say more.
But I was never a fan of Big Boss being voiced by David Hayter in the first place. His voice was not only getting worse, but every other character has their own distinct voice, even among clones of Big Boss, so it made no sense that Big Boss didn't have his own voice.
Though then they did change it in MGS4 so that Richard Doyle voiced him, which was fine. Better than Hayter at least.
>>338241748
my theory is that big boss only made his presence known to his soldiers in foxhound and that millers role was more that of a freelancer of sorts and that he had no idea of big bosses involvement in foxhound
or maybe he found out and retired, only returning to assist snake in taking down the real big boss during the zanzibar disturbance
>>338240038
>He even has the "engravings give you no tactical advantage" line
He's playing that one up in front of "Big Boss" because he wants Big Boss to know that he still remembers it. He even gives him a knowing look after saying it and Venom just stares dumbly at him because he doesn't remember that (I assume he only got the basics of the mission during his brain washing, not little details like that).
>>338241926
Miller was in on the plot to mutilate and brainwash Medic into thinking he's BB. He's no different.
>>338241968
I meant in the support sense.
>That's a Nubian goat
>>338224667
That's not even close to MGS1 Snake, you moron. In fact, it's closer to Naked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOUeR1v5uZ4
>>338241926
How does that make him a hero though?
>>338242121
miller had literally no idea until after the events of mgsv
>>338229102
>Everyone you know
>Throat cancer
I think I know who will voice Pachinko Snake
Different game, but I went into TW3 after finishing MGSV and expected some mix of Kiefer and Hayter. I don't know what the hell I got with Geralt.
>>338242136
Oh yeah, that makes sense. Ocelot should have been left as the rival or enemy, I don't know what Kojima was thinking when he wrote this shit game. I'm glad he's gone, he lost his touch years ago.
>>338229857
I just hate how he transitions between angry, growly Kaz and Peace Walker Kaz. It's unnatural and jarring. Probably a product of the game being incomplete, but who knows.
>>338242121
One of us is misremembering or something.
He didn't know the whole time I think because the take you down line happens after the credits.
I can't fucking remember every little detail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX5PsV2uMVg
>b-but kiefer cant va
>>338242121
>>338242224
He doesn't know until after the deed is done, but he still uses Venom once he knows. He's the same as Big Boss and Ocelot on that front, Zero made him and they all decided to make use of it.
>>338226112
Completely forgettable. It was the worst Ocelot of the series. This is only half Baker's fault though.
>>338242208
Because he actually gave a fuck about the little guy.
>>338224592Venom was a better boss than big boss
>>338242146
MGS1 is still GOAT
Daily reminder that in gameplay terms MGSV is objectively the best game in the series
Just because you aren't getting constant positive reinforcement from cutscenes every five seconds doesn't mean the gameplay isn't phenomenal, it just requires you to make your own fun instead of railroading you along from setpiece to setpiece. le "incomplete game" meme is fucking annoying because the incompleteness of MGSV is exaggerated to a ridiculous extent
>>338242293
why should ocelot be an enemy?
thats retarded, since mgs1 he was working in big bosses interests, the guy was even willing to betray close friends and go literally insane through mgs2/4 to aid big bosses mission
why then would he possibly have any reason to go against big boss when he had already been working with him for and in his interests for the past 15 or so years?
you are retarded
>>338242548
I'm pretty sure Skull Face did too, and I don't think he qualifies as a hero.
Most of the time I couldn't tell who was talking between Ocelot and Miller. They sounded a lot alike. Only when Miller starts getting angry can I tell who is who.
>>338242324
to be fair miller had nine years that we never see in which he lost an arm, a leg and presumably went blind to progress into his perpetually pissed off state
>>338242673
I think he meant the rivalry between Miller and Ocelot should have had more emphasis.
>>338224592
Try lowering down your GMP till -100000
theres a scene when Venom Snake talk a much, very much.
>>338242403
no miller literally has no idea at any point during the events of tpp
>>338242673
Settle down, I don't literally mean he should be Big Boss's enemy. I'm just saying he works best as an antagonist character. Or hell just throw him out on the field with the Soviets and encounter him from time to time. Don't shove him into a boring support role, he's better than that. Kaz works fine there because his whole existence is support role guy. Ocelot's the final fucking boss, not a secretary.
>>338242704
Skullface didn't give a fuck about the little guy at all.
How does comparing a guy who has his men gangrape a woman who is nothing but a pawn to zero compare to Miller?
The voice acting in TPP is so generic, even the fun codecs from MGO are gone in favor of generic shit.
>>338242704
Hell Miller wouldn't sink as low as Skullface. Is killing someone outright worse than letting them live with the suffering everyday worse or not. Hell Huey deserved to die for what he did but he respected "boss" enough to let it go.
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>>338243294
The point is that sticking up for the little guy doesn't mean you're a hero, not that Miller's a rapist. Miller doesn't do anything heroic, he's just cares about business, his men, and getting revenge.
>>338243680
Still sounds heroic to me, hell listen to the tapes he wanted to rehabilitate those kids. You don't have to be main character kicking ass and shit to be a hero.
>>338227253
Reminder that Huey literally gets cucked to death and drowns.
I hate that fucker, too. The cutscene post Sahalanthropous fight fucking enraged me.
>>338243932
By his own son that he had with a lesbian.
Don't talk to me or The Boss' son ever again.
>>338241128
While I agree with you, I can never forgive Sutherland for the GZ "kept you waiting HUH" line delivered in half a breath. How the fuck that got the thumbs up to go in the game I'll never understand. A human being literally said, "Yes, I believe this is good enough to share with our audience. Ship it!"
>>338244064
Huey is nothing like Hal and she had a pity fuck with him.
>>338243680
Caring about your men is heroic enough, man.
>>338244064
Literally just used his genetic material. Imagine if Boss could have lived to actually raise Ocelot and be the surrogate mother.
>>338244449
Thank you, someone fucking agrees.
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>>338244862
>Only have until Huey murders us all.
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>>338244759
Literally who?
>>338242661
Yea MGS main titles at least always had better gameplay than previous ones.But open world is a bit empty in V and that's what left a bitter taste for people, maybe if maps were smaller, more compact it would have been better.
>>338244538
>Imagine if Boss could have lived to actually raise Ocelot
he was a grown up in mgs3. one of the bosses with the most bad ass intros for a mgs bad guy ever. when i watch the exchange i think of it happening in slow mo burst not 100% real time for the whole thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItvclICnwgI
>>338245132
I misstyped it's 4am man cut me a break.
>>338228397
This is one of those scenes that really gives away that Venom Snake isn't Big Boss.
>>338225151
But Venom was entirely right to send him away.
Even if Huey died, Miller was obsessive enough to just move on to the next thing to blame. He was doing that for the entire game, blaming all his problems on someone else until he found another thing to blame them on.
i think it's good that kojima gave people autism with his last metal gear game
>>338245132
I love the bantz over the revolver technique.
>>338245354
I agree with with the sentiment about Miller, but I think Venom was doing it out of compassion if only because he displays this several times throughout the game. Guy was a medic for a reason.
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>>338244115
>While I agree with you, I can never forgive Sutherland for the GZ "kept you waiting HUH" line delivered in half a breath.
did you miss the part where he just climbed up a huge ass cliff
>>338243017
>>Skullface didn't give a fuck about the little guy at all.
his entire scheme revolves around giving smaller nations nukes to compete with the likes of the UN
>>338245440
anon im already an autist
>>338224592
Clearly there was no issue with voice actors in this game.
