What do people think of the nameless king?
I have seen a few threads about him, but avoided them because I hadn't reached him yet.
The camera is a bit of a pain in the first section and the fire breath aoe attack can be difficult to dodge but apart from that it's a great, tough fight. Took me the most tries out of all the bosses when I was using a larger weapon.
easy boss, I only died once
>>338184391
I had trouble until I stooped getting greedy and turned the fight into a poking match. I 1 shotted him in NG+ and NG++
He was alright.
I thought he wasn't that hard too, but it could be because i was overleveled.
I fought him at lvl 118 or something on ng+, because I played blind first and completely missed out on smouldering lake and arch dragon peak.
Overhyped in difficulty by /v/. I've literally never triggered the first phase's Ancient Dragon Breath attack.
>>338185865
Yeah I was konda suprised about how not hard he was.
I saw post like
>You can't post heri if you didn't beat him on your own.
So I was preparing for the fight of my lifetime, but he wasn't difficult not easy, but not "wow that is hard hard" you get me?
But like I said maybe it was because I was overleveled or something.
>>338184391
probably the best boss in the game, arguably in the series. Quite difficult the first time, but nothing too difficult. NG+ he's a cakewalk cause of yellow stoneplate +1
Annoying camera ruined what could have been a cool fight.
>>338184391
LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE
LITERALLY
>>338184391
This is my first souls game and I'm still trying to beat him and overleveled my ass off (sl126 NG). Im using Astora Greatsword and no shield. I think I could win with some ease (though maybe not) if I min/maxed my armor and switched to a straight sword.
I beat every other boss so far, so I'll just keep trying.
Quite easy once you figure out what his tells are. Blindly spamming dodge gets punished unlike with every other boss.
The only truly difficult boss in the game for me. I would imagine if you know his attack patterns well enough he's parryable in his second phase. The first phase is beyond easy, just use a lightning pine resin.
i know we're talking about the nameless king but god damn
>fighting abyss watchers
>got the second phase down to a tiny sliver of health left
>literally one hit is all it'd take
>all out of estus
>get combo'd and die
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
First phase is nicely paced, fairly predictable, and none too challenging. Attacks come out when you'd think, forgiving dodge windows on attacks that fuck with the lock on or camera, and no real complaints about the hit boxes. One attack is a little shaky but it's a charged weapon slam with a visible AOE. Even if you do get hit by the edge of it, it does very little damage.
Second phase is awfully fast paced and would be fairly challenging but the change ups in the attack patterns will leave you on edge, mistiming rolls, or strait eating attacks that you thought were over. He has several dashing and charging moves but only one of them breaks lock on and it doesn't follow up terribly fast, you have time to reorient yourself before he attacks again. Personally, I hate that some attacks look similar in their wind up but for one attack you dodge when his feet shift, but the other might be when he pivots his sword spear behind him for a swing. Becomes frustrating because NK is almost as good about punishing heals as Twin Princes in their second phase. He closes gaps quite consistently. I'd almost swear he becomes more aggressive if you have Estus soft selected with less than full health.
>>338188125
>whittle boss all the way down to 1% hp because i'm being disciplined and only taking one R1 every opening
>fucking up here and there but that's what VIG and estus is for
>they need two more hits
>go for two R1 instead of just waiting for the next opening
>eat shit
Happens more times than I'd care to admit. Especially embarrassing when I remember I'm using a damn Claymore and not learning my lesson.
>>338188125
Abyss Watchers is an incredibly easy boss. I have no clue how you struggle so much on the first phase.
He's surprisingly weak to fire. Granted i had 40 int and the chaos vestige pyromancy. All i needed was one ashen estus sippy to beat him.
>>338189270
Pretty much every boss is weak to lightning or fire because they're all humanoids.
>>338184391
hes fuckin awesome, really fun to fight and challenging enough to get your ass kicked a bit before you figure it out. great music and boss arena too.
9/10 boss for me
the camera while fighting his giant parrot is the hardest part of the fight. after a few attempts of having that janky ass camera do a 180 on me right before he attacks was enough for me to give up
>>338189468
>his giant parrot
what the fuck
>>338189560
Hardest part is his built in attack delays mixed up with his super fast attacks.
Good fight though
>>338189673
It's a wyvern.
for everyone bitching about the camera i have found that locking onto NK instead of the giant rooster makes it a lot easier
>>338189876
I SERIOUSLY doubt a dragon would team up with the son of the guy who killed 99% of dragons
>>338189771
Those really got me.
>>338190134
Why do you think he is banished and shamed from his family.
>>338184391
If it wasnt for the first part of the fight with the Drake, it could have been my favorite boss fight of the game.
>>338190134
>>338190319
That's some Happy Feet story telling right there.
>no dad i dont want to kill them i want to ride them!
>WE CANNOT COEXIST WITH THEM
>NK woefully absorbing his flying chicken because it couldn't handle the ashen one
>>338190676
More like a really sad version of hiccup from how to train your dragon.
Also quick question why was Ornsteins armor and spear there wasn't he supposed to protect new londo?
Also why does Ornstein have lightning powers wasn't that Gwyns thing and the nameless king who inherited from him?
Too easy, another artorias with slow, telegraphed attacks
Got to him, killed his Wyvern, got his lifebar to 60% then died. Retried 2 times and teleported to Firelink Shrine to fight the final boss.
By the time I reached Archdragon Peak I was so jaded with the game I just wanted to be done with it and move on.
>>338188995
THIS I should learn but I get greedy and then get punished for it
>>338191651
>BK chest without BK helm or a head piece that hides the popped collar
Groce
It took me quite a few attempts solo because I'm shit, but I didn't think it was as insanely hard as people made it out to be. In fact it just became tedious having to keep rekilling the dragon to actually face nameless king
Too easy with dragonslayer greatshield.
Super fun boss fight. Not the best in the series, and certainly not the hardest, but definitely a great one. It's a fight that starts out hard, but when you figure his tells out, you get to look really stylish as you dodge everything he throws at you.
Speaking of which, what are your guys' picks for the best and most difficult bosses in the series? Not counting nonsense like the Bed of Chaos, obviously.
I think Lord of Cinder is my favorite in the series, but I'd say the hardest would have to be either Fume Knight or Burnt Ivory King.
Is he Ornstein or the firstborn?
>>338184391
I liked him alot, took me a solid 8 tries to get him. Which is the most I needed, 6 on Soul of Cinder.
Pretty cool that he's pretty much 100% the firstborn of Gwyn aswell. Looks baller as fuck.
>>338191358
Really anon, can't you make the connection by your own?
>>338193032
Orns has never had a chance at being the firstborn. One reason off the top of my head being: he has an erected statue in Anor Londo.
>>338193224
Read that post again.
>>338193032
Well considering whose armour+weapon you find after fighting nameless king, he probably isn't Ornstein
>>338184391
disappointing. all that build up for an easy boss fight
>Gwyn struck his firstborn's name even from history
>guy is called Nameless King
>people actually try to argue that it might be someone other than the firstborn
the only reason i'm not playing these games is because they don't support 16:10. Why did i ever by a 1920x1200 monitor in the first place. Fuck sake.
>>338193154
I am a very dense and borderline retarded person.
Did the nameless king give him his lightning powers and Ornsteim was looling for him for some reason?
>>338191358
it wasn't him in anor londo, you fought an illusion dummy
>>338193032
Anyone who played DS knows that Gwyn had a son who he sent away from the land for losing very important shit.
>>338188995
>>338188125
Opposite for me, I just freeze and play like a pussy and get rekt
>>338193676
Dude, that part of the lore is the most obvious shit ever.
Ornstein is the Firstborn disciple.
First phase is a bit of a mess, and one of the few times in the series when you might actually be better off using a mouse given the slow camera on controller, but the second phase is pretty much top-tier.
He's not hyper aggressive, but he's not passive either, if you fuck up you can usually find a chance to heal if you don't get greedy, and as soon as you know his telegraphs you're golden. It's exactly what a souls boss should be.
If you take phase 2 alone it's one of the best fights in the series in my opinion.
Just for contrast, Champion Gundyr might be my favourite soulsborne boss ever, the one and only nitpick I have is that he's just a tiny bit too aggressive. If he was either the smallest bit less aggressive, or hit the smallest bit less hard he'd be completely perfect. If you don't have 25 VIT Gundyr will hit you once and almost never let you heal.
I fell like you need to pump points into health way harder this time around.
>>338193279
My mistake.He's not Orns.
>>338192575
Best boss is still S&H for me.
Hardest is Maneater without a doubt. Chappy arena, hits like a truck, flies everywhere, and has stupid strong magic attacks.
>>338194064
*crappy
>>338194064
if you go play demons souls again now maneaters will be piss easy. i remember back when demons souls was the only game the boss felt impossible but after so much practice with the other games the fights not really too tough
>>338193920
gundyr is easy as fuck. he has one good button and the rest is garbage. the kick is all he has
nameless king phase one is easy, camera is fine on it. just target the king and only switch to the dragon when you need to wail on it
>>338194249
Targeting on NK phase one is broken the second he lifts off, then you have to find him again and sometimes the attack comes in before you can, which isn't a problem if you know the fight well enough. I'm not saying it's too hard, just that it doesn't work as well as it should.
If, for example, the lock on range was longer, or if the lock on didn't break when he flew over your head it would be fine.
>>338192575
Artorias is the best boss in the series
most difficult is im sure some dark souls 2 dlc boss but i didnt play dark souls 2 dlc.
so im going to say manus
>>338192084
It's not an armor I usually use. I put it against fake Gwyn because of the fire damage resistance. I usually go with something like pic related.
I'm not one of those fashion souls faggots so I just go with whatever offers better protection considering the level while remaining in the knight tier armors.
>>338194465
actually yeah now that youve reminded me the lock on breaking when he jumps up to breath fire is pretty annoying. it makes it so that you have to just run away and hold shield. breaks the fight up really
>>338193473
Adjust desktop display settings in your graphics card utility software and play with black bars your retard.
>>338194648
that looks even worse desu. far far worse
the champ was the hardest for me. possibly because I went in fashion souls with like 11 VIT. I probably died more on NK but the champ was so aggressive I never felt on top even after learning his patterns.
legit beat the soul of cinder on try 1 with using like 2-3 estus. it was probably rng as fuck since he didn't do any of the special stuff I've seen him do to others
>>338184391
As with every boss, his difficulty really depends on your build and experience. I had some trouble with him my first time, but killed him in 2 tries in NG+. Pontiff is harder for me.
>>338194752
What do you consider good then? Teach me phamalam.
>>338193687
They were illusions I should really finish playing ds1
>>338193890
The who?
>>338194648
I was cool with it until I saw those fucking pants. Goddamn
>>338184391
Overrated as fuck. "Dodge into me for free hits" the boss. Had more trouble with his bitchass dragon
>>338195181
>>338195267 <---this guy here.
Much better but get a new shield. Try the Golden Wing since you've got that yellow going on
>>338184391
I've beaten him solo all the way through NG++ even though I actually wanted to summon but couldn't. Why are people having trouble with this guy? He's not that hard.
First boss where I had to change things up. Took off my armor, and strapped on the dragonwhatever greatshield. First stage got pretty easy once I remembered Kalameet.
Second stage was just rolling through all of his attacks and blocking the odd thing. It was really exciting, but not particularly hard.
>>338195241
Nameless King is Gwyn's firstborn, he was Ornstein's mentor. Eventually he sided with the dragons and was Disowned and expunged from the Anor Londo's history, statues destroyed and all that.
After Anor Londo fell, it seems that Ornstein went to seek out his old mentor, either for revenge or something else. That's why Ornstein's armour and weapon can be found near the boss area.
>>338195156
>As with every boss, his difficulty really depends on your build and experience.
I would add luck and personality of the player. I managed to get the dancer 1st try despite his impressive and imprevisible movest but I died 10+ times on Aldrich which objectively isn't that bad shit is just weird. I also have a friend who can't beat Seath legit despite having 150+ hours on DaS yet he absolutely steamrolls Manus effortlessly.
>>338187224
Ok wow, I just beat him with the help of a summon. It was childs play. You can heal while he focuses the other guy.
I feel kinda bad now.
I can kill his bird pretty easily, just as long as it does what I want it to do. I only have trouble with him breathing fire, I just can never seem to get away from it, blocking is terrible because it just means you take more hits (luckily you're immune to the fire when you're knocked down ) I'm level >100 and I have 25vit so if I get hit more than once by the fire I'm dead. I have been able to get his second form down to 25% but I haven't beaten him yet. its been awhile since I've tried and I dread having to re-learn all the timings
using greataxe because its my weapon waifu
>>338196130
You should feel bad. Fuck outta here. NPC summons are somewhat excusable but using a player summon is just lame.
Also, just to add a thought to the thread, aimed at nobody in particular.
You often see people saying something like "I killed that boss on my first try, it's super easy!".
There's a real good chance that if the person making this statement has only played the game once then they really did just get lucky. It's possible to beat Aldrich without ever seeing the arrow volley, for example (happened on my first attempt).
This is without even going into builds used. Using a straight sword is far easier than using a great weapon, particularly late game when bosses get very aggressive and committing swinging a heavy weapon becomes more dangerous.
For every boss there's someone out there who just had an easy fucking time their first try.
Finally, there's nothing wrong with dying to any boss, it's not "le super hard game", but it is a game designed around trial and error.
>notice his theme song sounds kind of chaotic and aimless compared to most other boss themes
>look it up
>Motoi Sakuraba
Every time.
He can be pretty challenging, but feels great when beaten. Very rarely do all 3 of my group come out alive against him.
Definition of artificial difficulty.
>>338195181
try lothric helm, alva chest, leonhardt or EK gloves, EK legs, lothric shield
literally cant do better or be looking better as a knightly looking build with 15 vit and havel +1 ring
also why are you using a longsword? using SLSS or broadsword for that same weight
>>338196396
You can summon npcs?
Post fashion. r8h8apprecia8
>>338196328
Don't stay close to the bird, you can just run in and out when he's vulnerable. Keep him in front of your camera and when he pops up into the air you run directly away.
The second form is easy, just roll when he swings and learn what's safe to punish and what isn't.
>>338196553
beat soul of cinder on my first try on my blind run. took a bunch of tries to beat him on my pyromancer. Also beat dragonslayer armour on my first try, but that guy is just easy right?
>>338197132
>>338197097
Not for NK (that I know of) but there are NPC phantom summons, yes.
>>338184391
>Fought him and beat him on first try
>Convinced I got really lucky
>Fought him again in NG+
>Beat him again in one try
The dragon is harder than him
>>338196553
Holy smokes, I think the only thing I saw from Aldrich was the arrow volley
>>338197240
Dragonslayer Armour is actually just kind of easy, He'd fit right in somewhere earlier in the game, but he's kind of out of place between Dancer and Princes.
>>338197294
the crestfallen abyss watcher, forget his name, can be summed for NK
>>338197240
>>338197383 again, that being said, I just remembered sometimes he'll just spam shield slams, and that makes him a bit harder, but of the 5 times I beat him he only did that once.
>>338197245
I think it all coordinates quite well colour-wise, but I'm not mad about the light body armour and the heavy legs/hands.
7/10
>>338197351
>The dragon is harder than him
This shit triggers me more than anything else on 4chan right now. The dragon is so slow and steadily paced that you can fight it without much thought. The attacks have super forgiving dodge windows and all of them come out when you'd think they would. Then suddenly you're fighting Mr. Mixup who delays and cancels his attacks and punishes the ever loving shit out of early rolls.
>>338197739
I felt it gave the illusion that he was wearing armor underneath the robes.
>>338197025
>also why are you using a longsword?
Because I like the moveset and the speed? Broadsword doesn't have a poke and what the fuck is a "SLSS", please we're not on leddit here.
Also after playing through DaS 1 & 2 with various builds including giant club I decided it was about time to play a good old fashioned regular knight.
>>338184391
Had a harder time with the Champion and Soul of Cinder. I could only imagine him being harder if you tried to block your way through all of his attacks.
>>338184391
took me 32 tries to kill him
every other boss took 3 or less with soul of cinder being the only one that took 3 attempts
he was roughly 1/3rd of my deaths in my first playthrough
i was using a great machete, but his attacks just shit on my 23 vgr.
or maybe i'm justnot very good at video games
>>338194064
I realize this post is like 40 minutes old now but it's really bothering me. What the fuck boss is S & H?
>>338197798
Honestly, I think early on the dragon is the easier phase, but as I got to know the NK's moveset, the dragon phase is definitely more trouble.
>>338197874
I'm not seeing that, it looks too figure fitting to me, but honestly, man, wear what you think looks good, I'm just some faggot on the internet. My opinion doesn't matter.
>>338197798
I'm sorry friend
>friend is having tons of trouble with Nameless King
>he summons me
>we go in together, get to the 2nd phase, and he starts getting destroyed
>all he is doing is running from the boss
>keeps getting raped by his different gap closing attacks
>I tell him to get into melee range, never leave melee range, and to constantly roll straight into the boss
>he beats it after another 2 tries without me
the boss is ezpz once you understand what's going on
>>338195873
Thank you for explaining it for an idiot like me.
>>338196553
This is exactly how I feel about the whole difficulty meme. It depends of your build, your experience with the Souls series and your luck.
I really hate when some faggot with 250+ hours on DaS 1 and 300+ hours on DaS 2 come and say the game is "too easy" because they killed most bosses in 1 or 2 tries. Figures.
Bonus points for those niggers contributing absolutely nothing by saying "I beat it 1st try its super easy le git gud xD".
The cancer with the Souls games went too far. It's time for the series to end. I miss when the games were just about atmosphere and level design and difficulty was secondary, this 'le hardest game ever beat it first try' shit is killing it.
>>338198430
Happy to help, friend.
>>338197504
Since i play offline because my pc is shit, whenever i can i summon an npc
I tried to summon that sad fucker but he used the black stone, and then i wasnt able to summon him again.
Sometimes i have more fps and i can summon for a difficult boss, but there were no signs near the nameless king
the hardest thing about the Nameless King is the absurd amount of damage he does. Nothing about his moveset is particularly challenging, but if you get hit at all he practically OHKO's you
>>338198594
level vigor
>>338197925
broadsword doesnt need a poke, its arts are outstanding
SLSS is sunlight straight sword. it has a versatile moveset and a decent buff as its weapon art that stacks with everything.
>>338184831
I don't think you know what oneshotting means.
>>338198504
I'm the guy you replied to, the games were never about them being super hard or any of that shit.
Some people beat DS3 in 20 hours, that's great if that's what you want to do. I spend like 40 on my first playthrough, I killed pretty much every single mob in the game, scoured every single corner of every single area, and I loved every minute of it.
Since DeS that's what they've been about to me.
>>338198594
Seriously, level VIG. You think you don't need it but you do. Late-game bosses are too aggressive and hit too hard, if the damage is overwhelming then you need more vit. I made the same mistake.
Captcha: select 700 rivers. what the fuck is this shit?
>>338195873
But I thought Solaire was Gwyn's firstborn?
>>338184391
Was the hardest boss in the first playthrough for me, but once you get the dodge timing down he isn't that bad.
Meanwhile pontiff first phase was hard with every build i used
>>338199137
It was a theory thatvis now debunked.
He is just an optimistic solartic.
>>338199137
That was a popular theory, and a credible one, but DS3 has proved it untrue.
>>338194465
You can see it coming and jsut run away if you aren't directly under him and he doesn't really use it unless you are way too close. It's very avoidable
I don't like how early a lot of bosses switch to phase 2. Switching phases between 75% to 50% HP seems awfully premature to me, especially if there isn't a phase 3 afterwards
>>338193032
the game almost flat out tells you he's the firstborn in his armor description
why the FUCK was Ornstein in a chapel in DS2? why was he fucking ABYSstein?
where the FUCK was Anor Londo in DS2? and Gwyndolin???
>>338199640
Just pretend DS2 never happened m8
>>338186305
What level were you? I was around 90-95 and was pretty satisfied with the challenge
also is it weird that I soloed him but summoned two people for soul of cinder
I honestly felt like Pontiff was a lot harder than NK. Maybe that was just because he was the first really hard boss in the game for me but NK felt easy to counter with a ranged strategy since he walks so fucking slow that you could bait him into attacks and get a couple shots at him easily and back off again.
there wasn't a single boss in DaS3 I'd call difficult
I hope the DLC gives us some real bosses like TOH did
>>338199481
I wasn't talking about the fire breath, sometimes he'll fly up and use a lightning spear, and sometimes he'll just re-position. Basically every time he lifts off it'll break a lock on and finding him in the air can take longer than it takes for him to attack. Again, if you know the fight it's not much of an issue, but I think you should be able to stay locked on and learn to dodge what you can see instead of learning to dodge what you can't see.
To be perfectly clear, it's not insurmountable, it's not too hard, it just should work better.
Every souls game has had camera bosses and on the fifth game the camera shouldn't be the hardest part of the (phase of the) fight.
>>338184391
He has a name
>>338199821
why the fuck would you summon for any boss in DaS3? It's not like any of them are on the level of flamelurker without magic, O&S, or ludwig
>>338184623
If you don't run up and attack Storm King's feet like a retard, I find that he almost never does the AOE fire attack
>>338189270
he should have high fire resist and low lightning resist because his armor has that and is made of dragon scales
The bosses in this game are weird for me. One minute they two shot me part way through a combo, then I kill them with max health in a couple of minutes.
>>338199938
>Basically every time he lifts off it'll break a lock on and finding him in the air can take longer than it takes for him to attack
How? All you have to do is just look up and you can see a giant blue dragon in the sky. NK even takes a while to execute his attacks, there's plenty of time to find him before he drops a spear or lunges at you
>>338184391
Sully, the Champ, early game Dancer and Soul of Cinder were all harder
It was still a really fun fight though
>>338200032
I noticed that, it's actually better to stand in front of his head to bait the slow fire breath attack.
>>338198654
Too bad I don't give a shit about weapon arts since it consumes too much stamina, some of your FPs and I have no means to restore it and decided to ignore the whole blue bar all together since I associated it with a magic bar.
The normal longsword is all I wanted for DaS 3.I actually beat Yorn with that same longsword. I didn't even grab the stormruler sword until I beat him and it wasn't until much later that I learned you could just kill him in 3 hits. I'm somehow mad this shit wasn't more obvious.
>>338189468
did you try not locking on?
>>338199821
118 on ng+
>>338198504
speaking of the devil >>338199876
Flexing your muscles much faggit? Want some medal for beating a game that requires more patience than skill?
>>338200456
I read the dev message at the start of the Yhorm room and I knew that I needed to pick up a weapon, then I died trying to equip it.
I think a much better solution would have been hiding it somewhere in the Profaned Capital. Also, once you have it equipped the fight is too easy, I think instead of just hitting him with 5-6 charged attacks you should just have to hit him with the sword like any other greatsword.
Yhorm was disappointing. I can't imagine dying if I didn't have to try find the weapon in my bag.
How do I actually use dragon powers when I'm transformed?
>>338199876
orphan of kos is really the only boss that doesn't have a difficulty equivalent in dark souls 3 though.
Ludwig was about as difficult as nameless king, gundyr, soul of cinder and twin princes.
In fact, I found him far easier, but I respect that a lot of people have difficulty with him, so I acknowledge a certain level of difficulty.
>>338184391
I think he's arguably one of the best bosses in the entire series.
For the first phase, they mastered the engaging flying dragon/wyvern fight.
It doesn't spend too much time in the air like sinh, but also doesn't shy away from taking advantage of it like kalameet.
I love how the first phase, with the thrusting, gust attacks, lightning spin fly followed by a swoop, fire breath, fire downcharge, forward thrust, lightning slam and the mix and match melee style the storm king gives is actually by it's own right a very nice boss. The second phase is fair and challenging, the delayed combo's, thrusts, slams, lightning kicks, charge from above, wind riding circle attack, smog attacks, dash attacks, and the lightning charge give a large sense of variety in the fight.
The atmosphere of the fight in addition is fantastic, the way you enter after ringing the bell, transforming the calm and peaceful like archdragon peak into the crazy storm, it was perfect.
The rain/storm effects in the fight likewise add a ton, with the way the boss feels like it takes advantage of it, the running round air feeling in phase 2, the gusts in phase 1, the smog attacks of dashes and slams in phase 2, it's really done well.
The music as well is great, because it feels unique for the king, the way the first phase almost references the gaping dragon theme with the thundering strings, then the slower, mythic feeling second phase which builds up as go along, still with elements of the first phase, but becoming it's unique thing.
Too many people get caught up into the idea that they have to find the boss difficult for it to be good.
>>338200769
I don't want a medal, I want challenging boss fights
>more patience than skill
only true for aldrich
>>338201015
You use the dragon stone items.
>>338201172
Yeah but then what do I do?
I just keep attacking normally.
>>338201204
ur not a true dragon baka
>>338199979
I couldn't even get him past his first phase solo and I wanted to beat him that night because I was going out of town for the weekend
Does anyone have a Japanese translation of Sacred Oath?
The description goes
>This is the tale of the Sun's firstborn, his faithful first knight, and the brave dragonslayer who served them both.
The miracle mentions the Firstborn and the Dragonslayer, but does "his faithful first knight" refer to a third person or does it mean the Firstborn was the Sun/Gwyn's first knight?
>>338201335
fair enough
that first phase is a pain in the ass on a fist only build. My own fault for going fist fighter but still a decent fight.
>>338201067
Yeah, even though I don't find Nameless to be the hardest boss, he's definitely my favorite aesthetically.
>>338201070
Then play Bloodborne. The Souls formula eshausted itself. There is only so much a developer can do and throwing bosses to please a PVP autist like you with 500+ hours on both games is not viable because it would alienate the other players.
DaS III wasn't that challenging overall and even if you don't have much experience with the series with some patience everyone should be able to beat it but it sure as fuck wasn't an easy game.
If you want that kind of challenge do SL1 runs or something, you lost your mind if you think DaS 3 was easy even by core gamer standards. The DLCs might up the challenge but what you are looking for is autistic limitations like SL1. Or stop playing the games for a little bit, stop with autistic builds, stop with PvP, stop reading guides, take a long break, and then replay a Souls game. It's eye opening.
From the great lightning spear description:
"This is the tale of the Sun's firstborn, his faithful first knight, and the brave dragonslayer who served them both."
Is Solarie the faithful first knight?, you get that miracle from the sunbro covenant after all
>>338201926
>calls me a pvp autist for wanting harder bosses
you're deluded as fuck. I love DaS3 I just wish it could be harder, which is why I'm holding out for the DLC. Why are you so autistic?
>>338202130
No, Nameless is, the warriors of sunlight worship him, that's why you get that miracle from them.
>>338202130
Might explain why he wanted to find his own sun.
>>338184391
Phase one sucks. It's not hard, just obnoxious. Phase 2 is cool.
>>338199938
I've never had lock-on break during the lightning toss and it's as simple to dodge as holding the run button.
One tips from me is to generally keep lockon on the rider during 80% of the fight. It's locking onto the dragon which fucks the camera
>>338202130
sorry that description is actually from the Sacred Oath miracle, my bad
>>338202130
Maybe "his faithful first knight" means that Nameless was Gwyn's first knight.
>>338202538
>>338202206
then who is the sun's first born?
>>338202695
>This is the tale of the Sun's firstborn, his faithful first knight.
Nameless is both the firstborn and the first knight. The dragonslayer serves both Gwyn and Nameless
>>338201357
>>338184391
I find him overrated, beat him in 2 tries, his weapon if fucking sick though.
>>338202130
that miracle is referencing 4 people
-the sun
-the sun's firstborn
-the firstborn's first knight
-the brave dragonslayer
if Gwyn is referenced as the 'Sun', it makes sense to think that the firstborne is nameless and the dragonslayer served them both at differnent point in time
the faithful first knight remains a mistery, but Solaire is a good guess
>>338201550
>Dragonslayer
Are we talking about Ornstein?
>>338202140
Because people who come to say "X Souls game is super easy beat everything first try lol" are usually faggots who clocked 400+ hours in the series deep into PvP.
I'm going to pass on the muscle flexing to prove god knows who they are 'so harcore' and move directly to the part where I say the Souls games didn't start as games renowed for difficulty and difficulty was never really the point up until mainstream faggots started hyping the games like some ultra hardcore shit and loser faggots started to use them as a mark of their skill.
DaS 3 is hard enough as it is. You want harder? Wait for DLCs. Still not satisfied? Do SL1 runs. The statement that DaS3 is too easy is so wrong I lack word to describe it.
>>338203028
I doubt she was actually giant considering non of the other gods are
>>338202130
>faithful first knight
Ornstein
>brave dragonslayer who served them both
Dragonslayer Armor dude
This ain't rocket science people
>>338199979
>ornstein and smough
>difficult
>>338203056
Yeah, but some people like to think that Ornstein is the First Knight, and Dragonslayer is someone else.
I'm pretty sure that Dragonslayer is Ornstein, but it's not like the miracle refers to him by name.
>>338203284
dragonslayer armor is just armor
>>338203121
>you want harder? wait for DLCs
uh yeah that's what I said in my original post, no need for the autism attack. for the record, I think PVP is shit in souls and only invade to troll actually players with annoying shit like poison arrows
>>338203319
It used to belong to someone you dingus
>>338203384
it belonged to nameless
>>338203284
>>338203041
What does Sacred Oath say in Japanese? I'm sure it would clear up the grammar if we had it.
>>338203292
more difficult than anything in Das3 that's for sure. also when the game came out the shitty lock on mechanics prior to patch 1.04 made them a pain in the ass
>>338203041
>>338202130
the only clear thing is that Nameless is Gwyn's first son, there's even a ring description in DaS that adressess this
Lord Gwyn's firstborn was a god of war,
but his foolishness led to a loss of the
annals, and rescinding of his deific status.
Today, even his name is not known.
>Today, even his name is not known.
>NAME not known
>Nameless
i don't get why people keep debating this
>>338200164
the varying camera distances and no visible ground really fuck with your perspective in that fight. Nice "hitboxes" when the guy just misses twice for being too far away.
So this is supposed to be a statue of the Nameless King then?
I always thought the spear was Onstein's.
>>338203403
Got a source for that Vaati-tier claim?
>>338203403
Did you even read the first post
>>338203556
I wouldn't be surprised if they designed nameless king based off that statue
>>338203556
That's Ornstein. Don't fall for the memes, the lore in Souls games isn't as good as soulsfags would want you to believe. Most of the things are incomplete and From just comes up with new stuff without thinking too much.
>>338184391
He's a Bloodborne boss. Like in the vein of Orphan. He's aggressive and not very keen to stop attacks once he starts them. He is however not very keen to pursue half the time, he kinda lets you flask at more than one part of the fight. Like Lothric and Lorian have several ai patterns that punish estus healing and force you to do it at specific cool downs of moves.
I don't like that, but he's a souls boss. He's meant to look cool and let you heal. Which his arena is pretty godtier and suited for fighting a god. While I don't feel that his fight was very godlike the atmosphere is top-notch and is some of miyazaki's best. The first half is bad though due to the camera and the hotbox of the dragon's head. It makes it a pain to hit it with certain weapons. Also it's pretty easy. And I felt Nameless King was a 6/10 on the difficulty level. There were mini-bosses that gave me more hell than him. But souls isn't about just that.
The lore in the fight is great as is the way the fight progresses and the area it unlocks to loot. It adds one of the cooler unanswered lore bits while bringing closure to a plot point in DS1. Which is actually what DS3 should've done but failed to do in a lot of cases.
Overall a 8/10 for soul bosses.
>>338203556
This used to be a cross spear too
They were probably common among dragonslayers
>>338203556
It's NK. The bits of Dragonslayer Spear on the statue are kinda shaky but you just gotta roll with it and accept he's using the Sword Spear in 3.
>>338201550
it refers to whoever owned the Dragonslayer Armor originally
>>338204042
>>338204045
If NK was supposedly Orns' mentor (according to some post ITT), it's not completely unbelievable to think they both used DS Spears at one point.
>>338203028
>>338203135
>>338204260
>supposedly
>>338204313
Oh.
>>338196553
Yeah, my friend just started the first game and he beat Capra first try. As for me, I had a lot more trouble with the Champ than NK yet I see more people say NK is harder.
>>338204045
That doesn't even look like his spear, the blade is way too thick, like NK's. also has flip flops like NK and a patterned robe
>>338204301
delete this
>>338203637
yes
>the Sun's firstborn, his faithful first knight
this is one person, Nameless, the armor belonged to him
>the brave dragonslayer who served them both
Ornstein
Dragonslayer Armor is just Nameless's old suit of armor animated
Questions to lorefags.
Can someone explain this?
Why is she looking like the Maiden in Black?
I thought DeS was disconected, are firekeepers related to Maiden in Black?
What is this whole level about?
Is it in the past, in the future, in another world?
In that case how can you access it from the garden?
>>338204606
It's made fairly clear that DeS and DaS are connected in this game.
>>338204532
Filtered
>>338204313
Wait a second.
You can run a dex build with a spear + hornet's ring for maximum anal anihilation when parrying?
In DaS1 I mean.
>>338204840
stay mad you don't know how to read
>>338197798
He also almost NEVER FUCKING STOPS SWINGING HOLY FUCKING CHRIST STOP YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE HOLY SHIT FUCKING 20 HIT COMBOS
Also his reactionary attacks are so fast that if you bother to use anything heavy you're 100% grunted to get hit. I switch to a longsword in the second phase but like you said his weird timing fucks my asshole every time.
>>338204794
Could you briefly explain? I played all soulsborne games and while I see the connections between the 3 DaS games DeS is barely referenced and most of the stuff is just From playing around.
>>338205018
first knight of the sun's eldest born aka Nameless
Nameless was the first knight of the sun aka Gwyn
again, learn to read please
>>338204794
How so? That chick doesn't look anything like the Maiden
>>338205096
>>338205065
There is literally a weapon from DeS in DS3, with the same description and purpose.
>>338204532
Actually you're right it's worded weird but it makes sense Nameless is both the first sun of Gwyn and the first knight who fought and became a god of war. Ornstein is the faithful dragonslayer that served both Gwyn (the sun) and Nameless, even after Nameless left his post.
I have no idea whether the armor was Nameless, I thought it belonged to a whole cadre of dragonslayer knights.
>>338204794
theyre not though
>>338184391
He's a bitch nigga who fucks dragons
>>338205373
no no no no no NO holy fuck. They do that with many weapons and NPCs (patches). That doesnt mean they're connected. Miyazaki has stated in many interviews that the worlds are not connected. They just re-use a bunch of shit from game to game.
>>338205373
But the DeS version only worked in the sky king arena, DaS one works anywhere
It's just another reference/fanservice, the game is full of them
Firekeeper even has some of the same dialouge as maiden
>>338205607
it works anywhere, but it does garbage damage to anything other than Yhorm
>>338205597
>>338205607
This, there's a ton of homages in this game to all the games including Bloodborne and DeS (fucking Eldritch and the age of deep water and the hunter ring) this is the send off to the souls type games.
>>338205394
It doesnt help that Ornstein is also referred to as The first knight in some other descriptions
>>338184391
Are there any Lore reasons you fight him? Why does he attack on sight of you?
>>338205773
that literally proves nothing though. Patches is in King's Field, you saying that King's Field, Dark souls series and demon's souls is in the same universe? Cause theyre not, if you were wondering.
>>338186701
>Annoying camera ruined what could have been a cool fight.
Pleb who fights with lock ons detected. This is 2016. You do not need to use camera lockons for PvE.
>>338204606
It's pretty clearly the past. The covered eyes are probably just because firekeepers are blinded
>>338205597
>>338205607
Sure, just ignore the fact that this very unique weapon was literally copied and pasted into this game, when it didn't need to be at all.
>>338206131
You rang the bell, duh.
>>338204992
>NEVER FUCKING STOPS SWINGING HOLY FUCKING CHRIST STOP YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE HOLY SHIT FUCKING 20 HIT COMBOS
Have you fought Champion Gundyr yet? Nameless king is only mildly aggressive, Gundyr is literally all business all the time.
>>338206269
Why does that mean he kills me?
>>338206268
Just like the MLGS. You're grasping at straws over here
>>338206329
>attempting to fight the CHAMP with a great hammer
just fuck me up forever, Miyazaki
>>338206443
Beat him in one try with Vordt's Greathammer git gud
>>338206131
He didn't enjoy you ringing the bell maybe?
>>338204606
Firekeepers have their eyes covered.
That's a dead fire keeper.
Her eye covering is a call back to Maiden in black.
It's just a little easter egg. Nothing special.
>>338184391
He was almost impossible for me if I used Dragon Tooth. Phase 2 was too fast to even get 1 hit in without a trade.
I just used a straight sword for phase 2 and 1 shot him after that. I feel like using 2h giant weapons gimps you pretty hard on some of these damn fights.
>>338206803
I hope you like rolling attacks
>>338184798
>he died at the nameless king
fucking scrub
>>338204606
Maiden In Black wasn't a firekeeper. DeS had nothing to do with fire at all. It's probably just an unrelated firekeeper. This game loves to make DeS references but it doesn't have the balls to actually connect anything.
>>338206268
It doesn't even look anything like it did it DeS
>>338204606
DeS is disconnected because Sony owns that brand. DaS3 is owned by Bamco. It has nothing to do with lore, it's legal reasons. They're already toeing the line by putting DeS references in the game.
If Bamco owned the DeS IP, you can bet the game would have been absolutely full of DeS references, seeing as its whole point is coasting on the success of previous games.
>>338207376
she actually kinda is tho
she tends to the candles in the nexus
Why didn't Nameless King atleast save his brother
;_;
>>338201357
So, is it even explained why Gwyndolin has fucking snake legs? He has boobs too, did he use magic to physically change him into a woman but he fucked up, got the tits but snake legs as well, so he stopped entirely just to be safe?
>>338207813
he hollowed
>>338204846
>DaS
>hornet's ring doesn't increase crit damage of thrusting swords
I'm still mad to this day.
>>338207813
>Ornstein left his post to seek aid from his old mentor when Gwyndolin was imprisoned, leaving Smough to defend from Aldritch's goon squad
>He was too late and Nameless comes after you because you killed his little brother
>yfw solaire is a joke in-universe
>yfw he's done injustice by being shoehorned into 3 as a easter egg
>yfw he's in some shitty comic where some literally who recognizes him as some infamous person
RIP
>>338208428
It was pretty clear in ds1 that Solaire was just a clueless goofball
>>338208428
>yfw solaire is a joke in-universe
He's crazy fuck strong. They just think he's weird and slow in the head.
>>338208428
>canon linker of the fire
>canon 2nd undead LoC in his world
>canon equally as strong as LoC
>pretty cool guy
>pretty helpful guy
>strong as fuck
>faithful as fuck
>"""""a joke""""""
no
>inb4 saving Solaire isn't canon
no
>>338209370
There's no canon, because it doesn't matter.
Any number of outcomes would happen to Solaire, but by the time of DS3, it wouldn't make any difference.
"he should be thanking you for killing his dragon so he can stop having sex with it and put his penis in something nice like a woman or a child or a glove full of cold grape jelly"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz8KJYpRh28
The camera in the first phase makes fighting him annoying as shit, regardless of whether you lock on your not because of how quickly he's able to fly around you. The second phase is a ton of fun tho. Took me 2 attempts to kill him on my sorc and 3 on my dex build. Although it did take me about 9 or so attempts on my faith char since I was using a dark sword up to that point and was allocating my stats around using his swordspear asap.
>>338207890
Moon Magic.
>>338206443
I beat sll bosses exvept nameless kinv with the hollowslayer greatsword that weapon really pulled me through the whole game.
No idea how good it is in the meta.
>>338209671
STOP
USING
LOCK ONS
