>"Classes only have 4 buttons."
>My hunter has 5 main single-target abilities, an AOE ability, traps, pet controls and abilities and heals, buff CDs, damage mitigation (Disengage, Binding Shot, Deterrance), special abilities (from talents like Barrage, Crows, etc.), and a silence.
Inb4 PvE. Not having to use all your abilities because the raid doesn't use CC isn't a class problem.
>>338161183
Sorry, is it 2007 again?
>>338161183
Is that it? Pssh you WoW casuals would be lost in an actual skilled game like FFXIV
>>338162005
>XIV
>skill
Try 2004 FFXI faggot
>>338161183
>my hunter
Stopped reading there
>>338162005
>XIV
>Skilled
>No fight has even come close to Alone in the Darkness or something as recent as Operator thromgar
What's the most fun PvP class? Fun can include least downtime / least stationary play (fuck sitting around spamming frostbolt, but frost has its ups as well, I suppose), most damage, best at BG objectives like flag carrying, etc.
>>338161183
>MM Hunter
>Chimera on CD
>Barrage on CD
>Steady shot when you need focus
>else just spam Aimed Shot
Now, Hunters have never had a lot to do for a rotation, but this is still shit. I don't even get fucking Serpent Sting anymore.
>>338161183
Can't wait for this shit to go full circle and we end up back at auto-DPS mode with the player occasionally using an ability.
>>338163365
wotlk hunter,everything in modern wow is shit.
>>338162005
That's just rotations drawn out. You can do that with any shitty mmo with more than 3 abilities. You can do that for fucking Diablo 3 with its 7 abilities per character limit.
If you post the priority order that looks like 10-20 abilities, mostly the same 5-10, over and over. Which is exactly what WoW does.
FFXIV is a wow clone. It's from the last era of wow clones. It did not one single thing new. It copied the old, outdated quest system, class system, combat, etc. The newest feature in FFXIV was GW2-style meta events in zones.
>>338163405
>9s CD
>using Barrage
I know there's not really another option, but I basically always have a target that's more important than spamming a group with low DPS per character. There's still the ordinary class requirement to CC targets and silence.
>>338163076
FFXI was never about skill. It was about farming for expensive equipment and spells and poopsocking HNM windows.
>>338163757
t. skillless cuck what probably wsd in a fukkn byrnie LMAO
i bt y fukn googld "ffxi skill" didnt u and just parroted th irst post what popd up
baka m8
>>338164043
Fuck you man, I got kicked out of college because I spent all night camping Kings only to get outclaimed by some botting JP Onry son of a bitch.
>>338161183
>WoW
>Current Year
Fucking hell, move on already.
>>338163106
Post jenny
>wanting to have to play your keyboard like a piano every single fight
>thinking this is even one of the main things wrong with WoW
How about the fact that once you hit max level the game is so fucking BORING
>>338163405
you don't use barrage on CD, at least not when you're on a boss fight with little to no adds
if that is the case, you're mostly going to be spamming aimed shot the entire way through (with steady shots for focus and chimera shots in between because chimera shot does the most damage out of all your abilities, both in burst and in a sustained fight)
>>338167352
>once you hit max level
I hope you arent implying levelign isnt boring as all fuck
>>338166538
I finally broke my addiction with Legion. With all the shit they're cutting out even the Rogue and Warlock changes just don't sound fun enough for me to want to play again. That's not even getting into the fact that Demon Hunters are exclusive to some of the worst races in the game.
>>338167990
>even the Rogue and Warlock changes just don't sound fun enough
>even the Rogue
I would quit too if they gave my class a DESIGNATED class hall right in the sewers :^)
>>338167990
Demon hunters being exclusive to Elves isnt terrible desu. At least theyre being consistent with the lore for once.
Nothing was worse than seeing Tauren, Gnome, Draenei and especially fucking Nelf Death Knights at the start of WOTLK. 90% of Alliance DKs were male Nelfs. Disgusting.
Orc Demon Hunters could work though.
>>338168290
There are never enough elves.
>>338168204hunters have the best class hall, cozy hunting lodge sounds fucking neato
>>338168290
>rolled and stuck with a gnome dk at the start of wotlk because I knew how mad it made autistsI also have a fetish for small races
>>338168432
>not wanting to be a rogue
>not wanting to live in a fucking sewer
Terrible life choice mate.
>>338168504
Gnome mage is practically my main.
>>338168428
I think you meant to say
>There are never enough elves to kill
>>338163365
Windwalker Monk. 1v1 god and you do more burst damage than anyone. Mobile as fuck too.
>>338168290
honestly the only race/class combination I want to see now is worgen shaman
it's fucking criminal that the two alliance races with shamans as a possible class are ugly, plus they could make up some bullshit about worgen being entwined with Lo'Gosh or something to make it a thing
>>338168828
> the two alliance races with shamans as a possible class are ugly
>plays worgen
Fuck off furry faggot.
>>338167352
Those "piano" rotations are just rotations that are mildly stimulating the the average 3-digit-IQ-having person. They seem like "playing a piano" to you because you're retarded as fuck. The game is boring right now primarily because they dumbed down a game that used to be relatively stimulating and challenging in all aspects in order to appeal to retards like you.
You are the cancer.
>>338168962
topping charts along with having the biggest shoulder armor ratio
bite me faggot
>>338169162
Nobody cares about alliance, and your 1% extra crit is nothing compared to Orc racials fagboy.
>>338169417
>Orc racials
yeah but they're horde, i'm still topping charts on alliance
does it trigger you this much that someone chose something other than a human or a nelf to play as on alliance side
>>338169162
No one said anything about chart topping. You were specific on appearance. You said both current shaman races for Alliance are ugly and that Worgen should be considered as an option for the class.
You are insinuating that Worgens are not ugly, and certainly not uglier than Dwarves and Draenei. And yes, Im aware they have an out of form model, but that hardly matters now does it?
Leads me to believe that your decision is based on being the filthy furry faggot you are.
>bite me
I try not to indulge furry fantasies.
>>338168290
I don't give a fuck about the lore anymore. That went out the window a long time ago. Not only can I NOT go maximum edgemaster and be an Undead Demon Hunter for kicks, but Demon Hunters are yet another fucking leather agi class that nobody wanted. Dark Ranger would've been way cooler, and would've filled a niche that's sorely lacking. It would've been nice to get another class that can use mail (and maybe another spec that can use fucking caster mail) but now there are only TWO specs in the game that use fucking ranged weapons since for some godforsaken reason they decided to give Hunters a melee spec and Dark Ranger could've gone a long way to justify ranged weapons existing at all but hey what the fuck do I know, I don't even play the game anymore thank christ.
>hear about how all the kids play alliance
>roll horde
>FOR DA HORDE XD
>PUNT ALL GNOMES XDDD
>FUKKIN ALLIANCE KIDDIE FAGS HAHAH
>roll alliance and never look back
>>338169649
you got me on the chart topping thing, which is something i mentioned just to spite that anon more
>And yes, Im aware they have an out of form model, but that hardly matters now does it?
i'd say it makes all the difference when both dwarves and draenei received model updates at the start of WoD, with worgen still having the same models from the beginning of Cataclysm
not only that, even with the two races having received model updates, they still look objectively uglier in any class armor set than worgen, excluding maybe female draenei
>>338170120
>even wanting your vicious savage worgen werewolf whatever the fuck in armor and using weapons
They should be naked from the waist up.I couldnt play worgen without mogging fist weapons.
>>338168828
>>338170120
Obviously blizzard doesn't give a shit about them so fuck off you furry piece of shit
>>338171369
>being this mad
>>338169739
How did 2007 go for you?
>>338161236
>Raid doesn't use CC
What are mythic raids.
>>338161183
i swear anyone who believes anything said on the internet outside of Google Scholar is fucking disabled
>>338171369
>can't refute my statement so you go off sounding "muh furry boogeyman"
how does it feel being too judgmental to see that non-furries might just enjoy playing as werewolves, anon
>>338171898
Is this an epic new meme?
>>338162005
I play XIV and these charts are 90% fluff bullshit. I could teach someone to play DRK in a few sentences because most of that hot mess you posted is just fixed combos and hitting OGCDs when they appear.
>>338168962
liking werewolves doesn't make me a furry. What kind of grown man doesn't like classic horror movies? You might be the faggot, friend.
>>338167837
There's nothing to do anywhere then. Theres no world pvp cuz everything is instanced and phased and people don't do anything but queue. Doing the same raid 4 times is shit. I can't pug shit because people I can guarantee i'm better than write me off because I didn't play this shit xpac enough to get the fucking stupid ring.
This whole fucking game is so bad.
>>338168794
>>338163365
This, monk is like a faster rogue, but all the abilities are actually fun.
>>338174395
kek
>>338169649
Not him, and I have absolutely no affinity for Worgen or furry, but Worgen are much better than Draenei. D. females are anatomically awful, and the males have fucking tentacles hanging off their face.
You can't posture like this. It's supposed to be "bone over bone".
>>338169739
Horde was always the child faction
Alliance isnt much better believe me it is better
>>338163405
>>338161183
legion has changed MM spec quite a bit. I've been playing around with it for a few days now, and I'm enjoying it a lot.
I'm convinced the pruning complaints and lack of buttons to press will change once people hit 110, unlock their pvp shit and max out their artifact weapon.
also, I've noticed many defensive abilities were removed from each spec. this is probably their way of reducing how many escapes and second lives we have in pvp.
>>338174395
if monk is so much fun, why is it last on the list of classes played?
shit is boring as fuck, and the gear is ugly.
>>338175724
Horde was the faction for bros and skilled players. Every meaningful world first was Horde guilds. When I played in Vanilla-Wrath, I'd fuck around with people in /1 and /2. Never got reported, never got banned. The instant I made an Alliance character and tried that shit I got a 3 day ban instantly. The Alliance was filled with autistic cancer who were trash-tier players.
>>338176153
I don't fucking know, I don't follow what faggots flock to. I play what I enjoy. And coming from soneone that played a rogue from vanilla to mop, i think monk is more fun.
>>338176153
It's relatively new, the style isn't autism grimdark enough to attract children, it's had a lot of periods where it was weak as fuck, and it has one of the highest skillcaps and lowest skillfloors so shitty players can't perform at all with it.
>>338175901
If every class has CC, it's still not going to be as nice as it could. Trying to get away from even a single class is pretty impossible against some specs. Hunters get a 50% slow for 6s on a 5s CD. Where's the tuning philosophy that says stuff that goes on CD isn't supposed to always be up?
Sub rogue 4.3 required the most skill in the history of WoW to play properly in both PvE and PvP
Prove me wrong faggots (You can't)
>>338176553
>Rogue
>Skill
>>338176153
>why is it last
because its hard to play for retarded WoWtards and relatively weak compared to more braindead specs
>>338162005
>>338161183
8 active skills is all you need.
>>338174279
What's the alternative? Sandboxing? You can't have a sandbox with raid lockouts and gear that's stays with the character no matter what? There's no consequence, and there's no demand.
>>338176553
>4.3 sub rogue with legendary daggers
>taking skill in pvp
pick 1
>>338176820
>you cant have a sandbox with raid lockouts
just a hard respawn timer really
>>338177271
>>you cant have a sandbox with raid lockouts
There's more to that statement.
>>338176194
>Horde was the faction for bros and skilled players
Stop. It was just as full of shitters.
>Every meaningful world first was Horde guilds.
Horde races had absolutely overpowered PvE racials (%health, attack/cast speed increase, AD/Spellpower increase), Blizzard never wanted to admit that though. Even for PvP they refused to accept it despite most players being Human.
>The Alliance was filled with autistic cancer who were trash-tier players.
No need to be salty, senpai.
>>338180941
>Stop. It was just as full of shitters.
Nope, it had more bros and skilled players, therefore there were less shitters.
>Horde races had absolutely overpowered PvE racials
Not really. Sounds like an excuse desu.
>>338162005
>play DRG
>boring shitmainly due to GCD and fundamental flaws within the game, not so much the class itself
>less intensive than playing SPriest back in vanilla/BC with like 5-7 regular buttons used during a fight
>>338174279
Mindsets have changed, nobody would do World PvP unless they actually got something for it to show off or got rewards in general (Wintergrasp, Tol Barad)
>Doing the same raid 4 times is shit
It has always been this, and it was at its worst during Vanilla when there was no catch-up gear so you'd do it fucking 20 times.
why do people think skill spam is better gameplay?
>>338181079
>Not really. Sounds like an excuse desu.
Do you work for Blizzard? There's no fucking denying that Horde had ridiculously good PvE auras that aided in fights a lot. They were literally extra DPS cooldowns.
Alliance? 1% hit aura... woah....... And that's about fucking it for meaningful PvE racials.
>Nope, it had more bros and skilled players, therefore there were less shitters.
Sorry but your circlejerk group doesn't make up the whole epin horde which had fucking infestation of edgy grimdark UD Rogues everywhere.
>>338181332
Sorry, not auras, racials.
>>338181152
At least the gear was worth a fuck in vanilla.
Every patch of "catch up" gear is just a big FUCK YOU for all the time and effort you put into PVE considering ilvl is the only reward for raiding now, and it means fuck all.
>>338181152
>nobody would go do World PvP now
except that people fought a LOT on Timeless Isle even after they got their mount
>>338181463
>At least the gear was worth a fuck in vanilla.
How exactly was it worth more?
>Every patch of "catch up" gear is just a big FUCK YOU for all the time and effort you put into PVE considering ilvl is the only reward for raiding now, and it means fuck all.
iLvl has existed ALWAYS. At the beginning it was just hidden until some poster figured that shit out and Blizzard decided to make it shown instead of hidden.
Also, Catch up gear is never as good as the raiding gear. It can be better than the gear 2 tiers ago but usually it stucks a bit behind gear from last tier. Not to mention it doesn't offer tier set bonuses or the trinkets aren't as good.
>>338181152
>Mindsets have changed, nobody would do World PvP unless they actually got something for it to show off or got rewards in general
This isn't true at all. PvP realms that aren't dead have shit tons of WPvP in areas where there's players and flying mounts are disabled.
>>338181928
Tbh Timeless Isle was just a place where you could act like a total cunt.
>>338182142
desu the timeless isle was great and anybody who cried is shit
>>338181152
People would do world PVP for bragging rights
Problem is they always tie the world PVP content to some bullshit objective grind.
If they wanted to foster a good world PVP enviroment they should give us something to fight over and own, like towns or forts in zones, and our guild banners get hung on the gates
Problem with every attempt blizzard has made at making a world PVP system is they pretty much funnel everyone into a glorified BG with retarded objectives
>>338182214
I wouldn't mind if it was on equal grounds but fuck people who only stuck around to gank people who were in their greens.
It's just a telltale sign of a bad player.
>>338182142
>Timeless Isle was just a place where you could act like a total cunt
That's what WPvP is. People getting ganked and doing something about it in retaliation.
>>338182048
>its usually a bit behind last tier
nope, your delusional
>Ilvl has always exist
and retard you wouldnt get just same gear higher ilvl for doing harder bosses like you do now
>>338182142
>be on a massive horde pvp server as ally
>play destro lock and get full conq gear with a mix of OP as shit SOO heroic trinks
>go ham on timeless isle
>nearly one shot people and always bait them into the guards
God damn Destro lock was so broken but so much fun. I miss dot snap shotting, it was the only skillful thing that separated good locks from bad locks.
>>338182407
I'm a gladiator and I ganked people in greens all the time. I also ganked people in full heroic SoO gear. I ganked everyone. Don't paint all PvPers as scrubs who suck at the game out of bitterness.
>>338182407
Not my fault that blizzard's balance has become full retard.
>>338182882
Except that PvP was at its worst during Vanilla when it came to balance
>>338182441
As an example is Timeless isle where you'd have to get upgrades on items to get them to the last tier's ilvl.
>and retard you wouldnt get just same gear higher ilvl for doing harder bosses like you do now
I don't get what you're saying
>>338183113
>hururu i'm retarded and don't know what i'm talking about
>>338183113
At least I could fight back
After BC stat scaling became stupid, there was no way a fresh level 70 could even scratch a half geared 70, and that only got worse over time.
Not going to defend vanilla's BS like rogue stunlock (Which wasn't that OP if you fought rogues in a group as rogues were squishy as fuck)
But the fact that a group of level capped players have no chance in hell to even touch a remotely geared player solo is fucking stupid.
>>338183223
He's saying since stats were more varied, you'd have a lot of instances where gear that was lower ilvl from a previous tier would be BiS even though better ilvl gear existed. The quality of your gear was based on your stats rather than ilvl.
>>338183223
In vanilla doing harder content gave you access to new tier sets and fancy gear
now the easy content and the hard content is in the same raid with the same gear only seperated by ilvl.
>>338183426
ilvl that becomes obsolete in a patch or 2 if I may chime in.
Also vanilla had catch up gear, it was called ZG/AQ20
>>338183113
t. Casual PvPer who has no fucking idea what he's talking about
>>338183239
Did you even play Vanilla?
>One shotting fucking everywhere (especially Shaman's memefurying you)
>Those with best PvE gear were the best around
>Endless pushback on spellcasting (this was fixed late in Vanilla, I think)
>PvP in general being nothing but a big clusterfuck
>>338183585
Explain to me how the fuck was Vanilla PvP balanced?
>>338182395
>If they wanted to foster a good world PVP enviroment they should give us something to fight over and own
>towns or forts
For what? Gear is static. Mounts and achievs aren't interesting, and the former is developed content, if criticized as anything but hugely menu-filling.
>>338183606
>One shotting fucking everywhere
There were oneshots in every era of World of Warcraft until mid-MoP.
>Those with best PvE gear were the best around
This has nothing to do with class balance. If you want to be as powerful as someone else, put in the same time/effort as they did or go play cs:go.
>Endless pushback on spellcasting (this was fixed late in Vanilla, I think)
Not sure if it was actually endless. If it was, it sounds like a fair tradeoff for your spammable CC not having any DR.
>PvP in general being nothing but a big clusterfuck
It was just as much of a clusterfuck as it was in any other period.
You've gone too deep into the "vanilla was unbalanced" meme. It wasn't that bad.
>>338183426
>now the easy content and the hard content is in the same raid with the same gear only seperated by ilvl.
Literally who cares? Seriously. Why the fuck does it ruffle your features if people do the casualmode while you're doing the hardmode?
>>338183365
Such special case have items have existed since then too, especially when it comes to trinkets.
>>338161183
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC2nzmN1M-4
they're getting ready for the console port. They even have the console camera in the newest patch. I'm not even fucking joking.
>>338183606
>getting oneshot by glass cannon builds
>people who worked for their gear were gods, but could still die to another skilled semi-geared player, also not everyone was running around in full T1 let alone T3, unlike now where everyone gets free PVP gear every week
>standing in melee range as a caster
>PVP ever not being a clusterfuck, and bigger clusterfucks are more fun then comp sacking garbage
The part I didn't enjoy about vanilla was that a lot of specs were meaningless. Talk shit all you want about current WoW, but at least almost every spec is viable. Some abilities were atrocious, especially the annoying Blessings Buffs that paladins gave out. Oh what? 5 minutes? Time to reapply the damn buff to everyone.
>>338183861
>There were oneshots in every era of World of Warcraft until mid-MoP.
They weren't as fucking prominent as they were in Vanilla.
>put in the same time/effort as they did or go play cs:go.
How the fuck does it make sense that in order to get good at PvP you need to do ----PvE---- for months to get gear for PvP?
>Not sure if it was actually endless. If it was, it sounds like a fair tradeoff for your spammable CC not having any DR.
You could literally never be able to pull off a single spell because the pushback never ended, that's why it got capped.
>It was just as much of a clusterfuck as it was in any other period.
The whole PvP revolved around big clusterfuck messes like AV or World PvP
>>338183924
Going to consoles would be stupid not to do, since all the "big" MMO's like Destiny and XIV are on consoles.
>>338183872
>literally who cares
anybody who cares about RPGs having decent reward and progression structures
>why does it bother you
because my actions feel meaningless and it turns into a UI game
>>338183839
Doesn't need any of that shit
Simply putting your guild banner on the side of something and your name popping up on the zone popup would be enough.
>>338183606
>Those with best PvE gear were the best around
This is how it should be desu.
>Endless pushback on spellcasting (this was fixed late in Vanilla, I think)
This is preferable to casting while moving cancer.
>>338183872
>Literally who cares? Seriously
People who can actually do the content and earn the rewards care. Only people like you who can't spout off about "b-b-but w-who c-cc-c-ares it's j-just a g-game anon!!". Raiding rewards being exclusive to decent players is half of what made them desirable to most people.
>>338183995
I'm guessing you never fought a hunter with the Broken tooth pet with a 1.0 attack speed.
That is absurd and any caster would get their shit pushed in no matter what.
>>338183924
i'd actually rather use this than the shitty max zoomed out camera everyone uses now. atleast you can see the fucking sky.
All this retail wow hate that /v/ does is starting to make me want to go back to playing it. Was that your plan all along? We're you trying to reverse psychology me, /v/?
I'm honestly sick of nostalriusfags now.
>>338183995
>standing in melee range as a caster
Yeah, I remember how all hunters were totally melee, right?
Hurricane bow + Broken Tooth pet = have fucking fun casting anything ever, bitch.
>people who worked for their gear were gods, but could still die to another skilled semi-geared player,
The only way to get good PvP gear was grind non-stop for weeks. And even then it would be worse than PvE gear.
>>338184194
>Frostnova
>Blink
>mortal coil
>psychic scream
>having a friend heal you
???
Did you only duel in vanilla?
>>338183924
Plenty of PC mmos have this feature. Why anyone this consider this feature a reason for a console port?
>be rogue in wotlk
>spam 2 skills in pve
>be disc priest in 25er raid in wotlk
>spam shield till boss dies
best 12 months ive ever had ;=)
>>338184524
name 3 that don't have console ports
>>338184154
> "b-b-but w-who c-cc-c-ares it's j-just a g-game anon!!"
Why are you stuttering that badly? Do you need medical help?
>People who can actually do the content and earn the rewards care.
They can never earn the same rewards as you, though. If you only care about some epeen stroking for downing a boss then that's on you being narcist. Do it for your fucking own enjoyment and stop whining about those who want casual entertainment.
> Raiding rewards being exclusive to decent players is half of what made them desirable to most people.
Nigga my guild was made of pretty much nothing but keyboard turning clickers and we still managed to do most of the content. Even after I left I followed their progress and they did really well in Heroic difficulties and shit.
>>338168428
>having women in the work force
>his joy and optimism, gone
>>338184101
>They weren't as fucking prominent as they were in Vanilla.
Yes they were. You had Frost Bomb one shots, Chaos Wave one shots, Taste for Blood one shots, and Stampede one shots. Four different classes could 100-0 you instantly in early MoP, regardless of gear.
>How the fuck does it make sense that in order to get good at PvP you need to do ----PvE---- for months to get gear for PvP?
It makes perfect sense. Gear gives you power, the most powerful gear comes from raids. It makes as much sense as doing professions being mandatory for PvE. It's just how the game should work.
>You could literally never be able to pull off a single spell because the pushback never ended, that's why it got capped.
Most classes had instant spells that could give you an opportunity to cast a spell. Mages could Frost Nova, Warlocks had Seduce, Priests had Psychic Scream, Druids had Nature's Grasp. You're crying about this shit when you have plenty of options to deal with it available to you. You come off as a crybaby shitter.
>The whole PvP revolved around big clusterfuck messes like AV or World PvP
You had 1v1s, 100v100s, and everything inbetween. That's the nature of WPvP, it's spontaneous and unregulated. That's why it was fun, it felt real and organic.
>>338184435
>Hunter uses Bestial Wrath
You're dead now, buddy.
You think nost retards actually play this game?
Of course not. They still think frostbolt spam in Molten Core was the pinnacle of skill back then.
>>338175326
It's not like they have the excuse of being an alien race with a completely different bone structure or anything.
>>338184435
Cool
>vipersting
>beastial wrath
>having a friend heal you
>feign death
I was arguing about why the no push back was retarded and it is. Why are we pushing this?
>>338184685
Wow, I died to a 5 minute cooldown because im dueling a hunter and don't have any cooldowns of my own
>>338184646
>It makes perfect sense. Gear gives you power, the most powerful gear comes from raids. It makes as much sense as doing professions being mandatory for PvE. It's just how the game should work.
Why can't people who only like to PvP get gear equivalent to PvE players.. in PvP?
>>338184605
>They can never earn the same rewards as you, though.
Seeing the raids, seeing the bosses die, getting good looking epic gear. Those are all rewards that are no longer exclusive to decent players.
>If you only care about some epeen stroking for downing a boss then that's on you being narcist.
That's human nature bro. People put in the effort to be better than everyone else. You can sit there and bitterly call it epeen-stroking, it is what it is. Only people that can't do the content without training wheels complain about "m-m-m-uh epeen s-s-troking elitists!!".
>>338161183
ITT: Nostalgia fags pretend old iterations of WoW required skill.
>>338184873
Because WoW is a PvE game. PvP gear shouldn't even exist.
>>338184873
Why can't people who just want to raid ignore professions? Because that's not how the game works. If you want the best shit, you have to work for it. There shouldn't be a casual option just because you're shit and/or don't have the time. That kills the enjoyment of players that can actually play the game relatively well.
>>338184873
Because WOW is an RPG and not an arena game?
The entire reason why the game has turned to shit is to balance around the fucking PVP minigame and raids.
>>338184810
It was a 2 min cooldown you dumbo, lasting 18 seconds.
How the fuck can't you admit that endless pushback was shit?
>>338184685
A hunter with Bestial Wrath does no fucking damage.
All 3 casters could easily tank them at level 40+.
>>338184567
All I did at the end of mop as a disc priest was spam holy nova in heroic raids and I always topped the healing charts.
>>338185089
Why are you adding professions to the mix? Those who want to PvP still raise their professions to PvP.
>in order to get PvE gear you have to PvE and raise professions
>in order to PvP, you have to do PvE which is irrelevant to PvP content and raise professions
>>338185049
The fucking cinematic and advertisements for the game during vanilla was about the fight between alliance and horde.
It was as much a PvP game as it was a PvE game.
>>338185281
Why should PvPers even have to level their characters, considering that's also irrelevant to PvP content? It's because leveling, as well as dungeons and raids are the core content of the game.
>>338184938
>Seeing the raids, seeing the bosses die, getting good looking epic gear. Those are all rewards that are no longer exclusive to decent players.
Except all of those apply still. You're just in babyrage mode whining about how someone killed a pisseasy version of boss while you killed it the hard way. Why the fuck are you such an entitled brat? Let others enjoy that shit while you enjoy being hardcore1337 mothafucka.
>People put in the effort to be better than everyone else.
And objectively, those that do the harder version ARE better. Your effort doesn't disappear just because someone killed the easy version of the boss.
I loved raiding a lot but in MoP I just couldn't bother with it and just had fun with my friends doing old content and leveling together (and occasionally LFR together, too).
But of course, you can't play for the sake of entertainment, can you?
> "m-m-m-uh epeen s-s-troking elitists!!"
Stop stuttering, it makes you look like an idiot. There's a reason why people stopped (mostly) doing this.
>>338185281
>In order to get PVP gear for PVP, you must first grind your face against the wall that is the honor/conquest grind before you can actually do any damage and not die to a stray wind
>>338185176
Question, I'm not trying to start an argument. How did PvP ruin PvE?
The class design is 100% the reason I won't be playing. They have taken the casual design way too far this time, and I'm sick of lowering my standards to continue pretending I'm having fun.
Fuck the WoW team. I don't care if they have good raids and a dungeon system if the fucking vehicle with which I experience the game is awful.
>>338185560
It didn't. Hell, Blizzard didn't do anything about racials which were overpowered after Dwarf racial nerf (UD might have taken some hit too).
Ultimately PvE Racials on Horde side are still really good while Alliance has Free PvP Trinket as Human.
>>338185281
>Why are you adding professions to the mix?
To show you how one aspect of the game being mandatory to other aspects makes the game more interesting.
>Those who want to PvP still raise their professions to PvP.
That's true. People should still have to do raids for the best PvP gear in the game. WoW is an MMORPG above a hyber-balanced arena PvP game. Unfairness should be inherent because there are varying levels of dedication and skill.
>>338185560
Balance, pruning, CC nerfs, instanced PVP, potion nerfs
>>338185753
>instanced PVP
What?
>>338185713
The free PVP trinket was never a problem until they made stat stick trinkets
Having proc based trinkets as a "bonus" was really shit in PVP with a few minor exceptions
>>338185520
>Why the fuck are you such an entitled brat?
People demanding to see content without the appropriate time investment and skill level is the definition of entitlement.
>Let others enjoy that shit while you enjoy being hardcore1337 mothafucka
No fuck off. That makes the entire thing less enjoyable and less worth doing.
>And objectively, those that do the harder version ARE better. Your effort doesn't disappear just because someone killed the easy version of the boss.
I should have worded it differently. People put in the effort to appear better than everyone else. LFR and welfare gear diminishes that gap between casual players and hardcore players, and that appearance is less worth pursuing because of it.
>But of course, you can't play for the sake of entertainment, can you?
Play however you want. You can have fun questing, exploring, doing dungeons, etc. If you don't personally have the time to raid, don't diminish the game for everyone else because you're entitled and selfish.
>>338186206
>People demanding to see content without the appropriate time investment and skill level is the definition of entitlement.
So is your fucking attitude. You think that only people like you are entitled to see the content. They see the easy version of it, not everything.
>No fuck off. That makes the entire thing less enjoyable and less worth doing.
"NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO ENJOY THIS GAME BUT ME!" -The Totally Not Entitled Guy
>. LFR and welfare gear diminishes that gap between casual players and hardcore players
How? It's always miles behind the gear of Hardcore players. When I was playing around on my Timeless Isle gear we had a warlock from a guild that had cleared fucking everything on hardest difficulty and he just soloed the instance destroying everything. Had he been in the same gear as us it would've taken us so much longer to clear.
>don't diminish the game for everyone else because you're entitled and selfish.
Pot, kettle. You're showing nothing but selfishness and entitlement in your posts.
>>338176701
Will there ever be anything to take its place?
>>338186986
Guild Wars 2
>>338186683
>So is your fucking attitude. You think that only people like you are entitled to see the content
Only people who put the effort into earning that right should have access to it.
>They see the easy version of it, not everything
Besides the one token boss in one raid, when do heroic/mythic raids have exclusive content in them?
>"NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO ENJOY THIS GAME BUT ME!" -The Totally Not Entitled Guy
nonargument. You can enjoy the game however you like. If you NEED to raid in order to enjoy the game but don't want to work towards that, tough luck.
>How? It's always miles behind the gear of Hardcore players
It's not just ilvl. It's the appearance of the gear, it's the rarity of the gear, it's seeing the actual content and killing the bosses. An arbitrary ilvl rating is all that separates players who are top tier and players who do content that you can literally afk through.
>Pot, kettle. You're showing nothing but selfishness and entitlement in your posts.
You: I want that without working for it!
Me: I want it to only go to those who can earn it.
One of those is clearly entitlement, the other is the exact opposite. hint: you're the entitled one.
One thing I wanna tag on. Developers spending their time creating the same fucking raid 4 different times along with its droptable surely contributes to these enormous content droughts we experience at the end of each expac. They're killing the game so that every dumb cunt on the retard spectrum is fairly represented and it's bullshit.
>>338187183
Don't even joke about that. It hurts.
>>338187468
>Only people who put the effort into earning that right should have access to it.
Yes, and only people who put effort access normal/heroic/mythical shit.
LFR doesn't make that effort go away unless you're so self-obsessed insisting that only people like you can access any version at all because you're so fucking good.
>Besides the one token boss in one raid, when do heroic/mythic raids have exclusive content in them?
The tactics are a bit different, the colouring isn't the same, the bosses itself are harder.
> It's the appearance of the gear, it's the rarity of the gear, it's seeing the actual content and killing the bosses
Again, all of this apply. When you see Heroic or Mythical gear it's not the same as seeing LFR gear (granted, the whole gear look thing was diminished when transmog came around, but the mythical/heroic tag remains). Killing a boss in LFR is not the same as killing it in Mythical. Otherwise everyone would've cleared Mythical, no?
>One of those is clearly entitlement, the other is the exact opposite. hint: you're the entitled one.
No dude, you're literally insisting that nobody should enjoy specific content, despite being fucking easy version of it, because it diminishes YOUR enjoyment of the game. Why yours? Because you can't stroke your epeen as hard.
When that's all you care about in a game you're not even fucking enjoying it to begin with. You're just trying to prove you're hot shit in a fucking videogame.
Answer me this: Why do people even do harder difficulties if LFR is the same? Why do people still race for World First if they might as well go to LFR for the same experience?
>surely contributes to these enormous content droughts we experience at the end of each expac.
How about no. The droughts have always been there at the end of expac. WotLK was one of the biggest and worst droughts.
>>338185428
>BGs not in at launch
>could not progress you character through pvp alone
sure
Can you name 3 reasons for anyone to buy and subscribe to this game?
It's gotten to the point where you get the base game, Warlords and a month playtime "for free" with a movie ticket. They are actually doing this.
There was so many abilities and macros for them in TBC it was a challenge to find enough keybinds to use them all
>>338188691
For what class? Most classes had fuckall do to use.
>>338188691
WoD already has probably one third the amount of abilities (downranks included) that TBC had, so why are they removing even more in legion?
>>338188993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PrPn_0P1os
>>338189097
World of Warcraft: Warlords of Draenor was the most disappointing thing since my son
>>338188993
That's mostly because of the fact that some abilities are tied to specs instead of having all abilities on all specs.
>>338188925
I played priest and I had a ton between regular skills, downranks, and macros
My brother and I played 2s together at about 2.4k priest/warlock and he was always running out of keybinds to use
Some classes might've been simpler. I remember the whole "2345" meme for some of the shaman-based 5s teams
>>338188105
>Yes, and only people who put effort access normal/heroic/mythical shit.
Not just those respective difficulties, raiding in general. Seeing the raids, killing major villains in the lore, and getting good looking epic gear in general.
>you're so self-obsessed insisting that only people like you can access any version at all because you're so fucking good.
That's exactly what it is. It's human nature to want to be better than everyone else, you're just bitter about it because you're not a part of the haves, you're a have-not.
>The tactics are a bit different, the colouring isn't the same, the bosses itself are harder.
That's not exclusive content.
>When you see Heroic or Mythical gear it's not the same as seeing LFR gear
The disparity between LFR and Mythic gear is much smaller than the disparity between raiding gear and non-raiding gear was when only one difficulty existed.
>No dude, you're literally insisting that nobody should enjoy specific content, despite being fucking easy version of it, because it diminishes YOUR enjoyment of the game. Why yours? Because you can't stroke your epeen as hard.
You're not understanding the definition of entitlement. You want things and experiences handed to you where I want them to be hard-earned. I can draw a loose comparison to the real word to help you understand it.
Someone who wants social benefits and high taxes on the rich so that they don't have to work themselves is entitled because they want what other people have without working for it. The rich guy who doesn't want social programs and wants no taxation at all isn't entitled just because he wants to keep HIS money, he wants everything in the world to be as difficult to earn as it is for anyone who actually works for it. It's kind of a shit comparison I know, it's the best I could do.
cont'd..
>>338188105
..cont'd
>You're just trying to prove you're hot shit in a fucking videogame.
I know. I've already told you that's what it is. You're acting like it's bad or something when it's basic human nature. Most people found the game enjoyable because they could be hot shit in a virtual world or make an attempt at being hot shit in a virtual world. You're upset at the idea because you're not hot shit, just shit.
>Answer me this: Why do people even do harder difficulties if LFR is the same? Why do people still race for World First if they might as well go to LFR for the same experience?
They care enough to take the effort. Most people who raided in the past don't go beyond LFR anymore purely because the route exists. Very few people go through the trouble to do Mythic anymore.
>How about no. The droughts have always been there at the end of expac. WotLK was one of the biggest and worst droughts.
WotLK was the expansion they started doing multiple versions of the same raid. They also spaced shit out poorly in Wrath which contributed to that.
>>338183995
>pvp is either a clusterfuck or nonexistent
The only reason it's like that is because Blizz can't into staggering utility across classes and not giving it (CC) to anything with decent DPS.
>>338189212
I bet he plays football and fucks chicks, not like his old man.
>>338188342
>appeal to tradition
>>338188672
>mfw I spent about 4 minute staring into space trying to think of an answer and could not find one
>>338189441
So what's your take on older raids during later patches? Delete/lock so nobody else can enter them? "Sorry, should've dedicated yourself to raiding back then!" Right?
> you're just bitter about it because you're not a part of the haves, you're a have-not.
Nah, I'm not bitter about being a person who plays games for epeen and hates other people enjoying the game.
>The disparity between LFR and Mythic gear is much smaller than the disparity between raiding gear and non-raiding gear was when only one difficulty existed.
You mean TBC what with its catch up gear?
> Most people who raided in the past don't go beyond LFR anymore purely because the route exists
[Citation Needed]
>>338186683
>So is your fucking attitude. You think that only people like you are entitled to see the content. They see the easy version of it, not everything.
Not him but I fucking hate this "only the elite got to see content" bullshit that keeps getting flung around
We've been getting less and less content with each expansion, as everyone is being funneled into raids and daily quests and the PVP minigame everything else that makes the WORLD of warcraft an actual MMO world has been gutted and thrown to the side
If there was one thing vanilla had, it was fucking content, a lot of it, so much so that only 6% of the active playerbase in vanilla even TOUCHED raids, I know people don't think much of it now, but the 1-60 content was that, actual content, the fact that WOW had an end game where you could still improve and progress your character was only icing on the cake, now its all about the end game, and they removed all the progression, so please, stop using this god damn "no content for casuals" meme
>>338181152
>no catch up gear
Catch up gear is literally what made me quit. Unfuckingbelievable that people actually support this abomination.
What is the appeal of more buttons?
>>338190395
Unjustified epeen
the WOW playerbase has so many mods to automate the gameplay that if they don't have more buttons to spam they get bored.
The ability prune is going in a good direction, the problem is the 'complexity' that is being removed isn't being filled with anything else.
>>338189995
> it was fucking content, a lot of it
No it didn't, senpai.
Count the actual raids: 7 Raids.
Count the BGs: 3
Count the instances: Somewhere around 13-15, at max level only 4 mattered.
>so much so that only 6% of the active playerbase in vanilla even TOUCHED raids,
Part of the reason is that leveling alone took good 100+ hours and assembling 40 man raids was pain in the ass, especially for guilds of single nationality. What makes it even worse was that many computers couldn't even handle that shit. Other than that the grind was insane during Vanilla, not the actual amount of content.
On the road to 60 you'd have times when there's literally nothing to do. Mainly 30-40 area where, despite many zones, there weren't enough quests to get you levels so you'd grind shit.
>We've been getting less and less content with each expansion
They essentially blew their fucking load in the first expansion the game got.
>>338190672
And let's not forget that the further the raids got the more you had to grind in order to even get there. If you started the game too late odds are you never could make it there. (Especially if it was a newfound guild)
>>338184635
Actually in this case it's more like
>Having men in the workforce
>"He's not even a Druid!"
>"Let's humour him."
>GigglingWenches.gif
>>338190395
Because it's engaging and promotes a higher skill cap which pushes players to improve their game, especially in pvp.
>>338190672
>>338189995
Also can you name some content to do besides raids in Vanilla and how there was a lot of it?
Cause when I played I was mostly jumping around Goldshire if I wasn't doing dungeons.
The game has always been a gear treadmill. Not a sandbox MMO.
>>338190672
Yeah, because thats less content then 1 viable raid per patch and arenas being the core of PVP
Lets face it, this single dungeon had more end game content in it then the entire fucking end game of WOD.
>>338185515
Leveling is literally not a thing with a single, simple payment. Its challenge is also completely fucked off by heirlooms.. AKA it's not tuned. Something so insignificant is core content? For trying to bash PvP, that's a pretty poor method.
>>338185729
>WoW is an MMORPG above a hyber-balanced arena PvP game.
There are roles to be played within a hyper balanced arena game. It's a niche. It can exist, just like any other sort of playstyle. This is a huge post-rationalization for the idea that PvE should be where everything comes from, and frankly PvE isn't that interesting, because it's instanced and non-dynamic.
>Unfairness should be inherent because there are varying levels of dedication and skill.
You're not basing this on actual reason and gameplay. It comes from the idea that the game is purely PvE, which is nonsense. Dedicated to PvE has nothing to do with dedication to raiding.
>>338191008
BRD was absolute garbage. I still think people post it for nothing more than "it's big, lmao".
But I guess all those tank & spank bosses made it so worth it, huh?
>>338185753
You're not actually qualifying how any of that is PvP's fault, and PvE hasn't required CC for many patches.
>>338191295
And the questlines, and bonus bosses, and enchantments, and the anvil and forge, and recipes, and various routes with different loot tables.
>>338167990
>Rogue and Warlock changes
>Rogue
>changes
They literally just changed the name from "combat" to "outlaw". That's not a significant change, in the slightest.
>>338184646
>Gear gives you power, the most powerful gear comes from raids.
You're making this up to prove your point. Instanced raiding probably shouldn't even be a thing.
>>338191397
>Questlines
Yeah, I sure love going deep in BRD only to get sent to Winterspring. Fucking enjoyable, isn't it?
You could fucking throw them anywhere else and it'd be better. Wading through dozens of tank & spank bosses and eons of boredom wasn't worth it. The only reason to ever enter that shit ridden shithole was MC attunement and Thaurissian's trinket if you weren't a blacksmith desperate for recipes.
>>338184724
Any claim to that has no prerogative to criticize NElf toonyness.
>>338191397
It was fucking annoying to find a group for, took hours to clear and you'd have to hope everyone wanted to carry you through your quests.
2 hours is the max time for a 5 man imo.
>neo-WOW raiders
>Its good that there is catch up gear so that everyone can see the content
>the content doesn't matter though, just the gear lol fuck quests and dungeons
>Neo-WOW pvpers
>WOW is so balanced now, the arena metagame is stronger then ever and totally dynamic and fun
>>338191816
>Best overall raids of the game were in TBC
>Catch up gear still existed in it
Explain this.
>>338168290
>Nothing was worse than seeing Tauren, Gnome, Draenei and especially fucking Nelf Death Knights at the start of WOTLK
I don't know much about the lore, but wouldn't the Lich King try to make DK's out of any race he could get his hands on?
>>338191816
>>338192056
Oh and lot of people got to see the content.
>>338192056
The only people who used catch up gear in TBC were people who weren't even going to progress past kara and gruul anyway.
>>338192189
But I used catch up gear and I did everything up to SWP?
>>338192086
Based on former lore of the Scourge, races like tauren and gnomes were more likely to be torn apart and used to make abominations. There is literally no reason to think those races, or any races other than humans, elves and dwarves (and maybe orcs,) would make skilled tacticians desired in death knights.
>>338192189
That and faggots like me who was stuck in that awful position of sharing a class token with the class we kept losing
Fuck priests in TBC, they were all guild hopping whores.
>>338189982
>So what's your take on older raids during later patches? Delete/lock so nobody else can enter them? "Sorry, should've dedicated yourself to raiding back then!" Right?
Keep older raids as they are.
>You mean TBC what with its catch up gear?
TBC's catchup gear wasn't close to what LFR gives casuals today.
It's clear we disagree on things, no real point in arguing it seems. We each have our own tastes and philosophies, I prefer MMOs like Vanilla/BC, you prefer MMOs like Cata/MoP/WoD.
WOW has killed many guilds with its casualization over the years.
Whats they're names /v/
>>338169649
Lol did you really type all this shit because a furry triggered you? What kind of retarded faggot are you?
>>338190395
What's the appeal for Dark Souls combat for example over staring at a wall and watching the paint dry? One is mentally stimulating for people with a triple digit IQ and the other isn't.
>tfw you were the only warrior on your server to have both maladath and the emerald version and looked swag as fuck
>>338192773
>Keep older raids as they are.
Why? You do realise that people who don't put effort into raiding will now invade them and clear them. Doing the same thing you did with more effort. Literally the same deal as doing LFR, familio, just later.
>, I prefer MMOs like Vanilla/BC, you prefer MMOs like Cata/MoP/WoD.
Except that MoP was overall my favorite, but TBC was best in everything but fucking leveling and some class design (several classes had like 1 button to press to DPS).
In the end, they're still the same ass gear treadmills.
>>338192419
Seems like tacticians would be all gnomes are good for.
>>338192773
Also, I didn't even play WoD and I most likely wouldn't care for it because I hate Player Owned Ports in RS, which is Garrisons lite (but came before Garrisons). Neither did I play Cataclysm.
>Fury warrior
>It's still the same old unga bunga smash shit until you get crits and hit the top of the DPS meter
>>338192471
>Fuck priests in TBC, they were all guild hopping whores.
>Not being your guilds required mana battery
>>338193351
>being the bottom of the meter support bitch
i'm lmaoing at your life
>>338193351
Was talking holy priests.
Our shadow priest was an actual whore, but was nice as fuck and never pulled that shit
>>338193080
>Doing the same thing you did with more effort. Literally the same deal as doing LFR, familio, just later.
I did them when they mattered. And without catchup mechanics, you'll have to put in just about as much effort as I did unless you wait until next expac.
>>338176701
>you will never explore Vabbi for the first time
>you will never hear the Zen Daijun theme for the first time
>>338193527
That doesn't matter, they're STILL going to see the exact same content you're whining about. Even if they become slightly older, it's still the same content whether it "matters" or not. They're going to down that boss, get that loot etc.
>>338193583
>you will never get 10 adrenaline, pop "for great justice!", and spam dragon slash on a squishy ass monk ever again
Feels good chunking mobs with a single Howling Blast. Blood plays like total ass though. Every tank does.
>Neo wow players
>bash vanilla leveling content as 'too grindy'
>praise ilvl grinding
>>338193504
>he slavishly followed DPS rotations he found online and never thought for himself
>>338193680
Hey if it were up to me, all that content would stay relevant and required at least to some degree. Without catchup mechanics it'll only be slightly easier because someone in your raid will have gear for higher tiers and that's fine. Vanilla's tier system and lack of catchup mechanics was perfect imo.
>>338184435
When that pet was around it was still death coil and just a shitty instant cast shadowbolt the that healed on a giant cd
>tfw suspended for botting
I only fished in my garrison for two hours ;_;
>>338193860
>neo-wow players
>cry about not having content
>bash vanilla for having too much content
>>338193993
wat
Mortal Coil still horrified, it was considered broken despite being a long ass cooldown
>>338194035
>botting
>in neo-wow
jesus fuck why even play the game you loser
>>338194148
No him but I just ERP now.
>>338194035
They're doing you a favor tbhfam.
>>338193948
>Vanilla's tier system and lack of catchup mechanics was perfect imo.
How? You literally spent months to progress to the next tier rather than soon after clearing the last tier.
It's one of the biggest reasons why less and less people went through the next tier raids. Not the actual difficulty, but the grind involved.
>>338190608
The whole problem wasn't complexity, just too much shit.. CC especially. There's still too much. The game doesn't get deeper just by making sure classes can disable other classes. There's no positioning or grouping metagame. It's just blobbing.
>>338194148
I wanted to level up my fishing so I botted for 2 hours in my garrison
>>338163076
>XI
>skill
Is begging for a party if you picked the wrong job a skill?
>>338194332
And of course I mean, provided the next tier had been released already.
Zul'aman Bear Runs were better than fucking anything.
>>338194332
Because you were still being challenged and always had new content to see?
The only difference between then and now is that you get to see new content when you beat a boss, where as now you get to get to do it all again, except with more ilvl grinding
Also when things take time and effort to get, then its actually worth a fuck, gear in WOD is so fucking pointless that I seriously think anyone who raids past LFR is mentally handicapped.
>>338194332
>you had to play the game a lot to beat it instead of beating the game in 2 hours after you start playing because of level boosts and lfr
yea, it was better.
>>338176701
>Modern Arenanet has so utterly fucked the GW franchise beyond saving
JUST
>>338193690
GOAT build until they nerfed it
>>338192189
the catchup mechanics were a godsend.
only way you could keep all those shaman and warlock recruits raid-ready for the shitfest that was SWP was through the badges/dungeons/easy-as-fuck BT and Hyjal
>>338194351
what the fuck for? fishing provides no benefit to the player whatsoever. it's not even hard, it's just boring. put on a show on a second monitor and click the bauble every 10 seconds. why is that so hard?
>Ban a lot of better
>then put WoD together with all the other expansion packs so the botters can buy new accounts
They know what they're doing.
>>338194829
MAKE WAY FOR A REAL GOAT BUILD, PLEB
https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Hamstorm
>>338194545
Repeating the same old content for months on end just to get to the next isn't new content.
It's just you being stuck on old content until your number values let you tackle the new content.
It's the same thing as, for example, being level 10 at which point you unlock a new place and until you hit level 30 by grinding that very same place, you don't get ANYTHING new. Nothing at all.
>gear in WOD is so fucking pointless that I seriously think anyone who raids past LFR is mentally handicapped.
"ok"
>>338194869
badges are the only thing out of what you listed that were catchup mechanics. you could do just fine in SWP without them.
My mage had 50+ keybinds in wotlk
You must be a keyboard turning piece of shit, OP. Or new as fuck.
>>338195059
>unlocking content isn't new content, its the same content just different
>>338188672
Again, they've rolled the latest expac into the base game at the end of if it's life since cataclysm. This isn't new.
>>338195126
holy fuck, why would you ever want this? that just sounds like a pain in the ass. might as well learn a fucking instrument with that kind of memorization
>>338195212
Read, please.
To get to that new content, you are stuck for months on the old content.
There's fuckall content but thanks to shit like that it takes so long time to get to so it looks like there's "much" of new content when there actually isn't.
>>338195467
I bet you did quests when they were green and grey too.
>>338195367
It made the game deep. It raised the skillcap to a near unattainable level. It allowed good players with great hand dexterity to shine above shitters like you. If you want shit tier affirmative action combat where even retards like you can compete, go play a FPS or a Death Knight/Hunter.
>>338195580
Quests are "unique" even though they're shitty fetchquests or escort quests.
Grinding the same encounters for months is doing nothing but the same old shit.
>>338195668
Then you realise that mage needed like 3 buttons for DPS in WotLK and you only made those keybinds to feel good about yourself.
I just want to start a new character on a pristine server to level up and get ready for Legion.
Why cant they release that server now to give people something to do for summer
>"""""""Class Identity"""""""""" just ended up being them removing skills classes have had since vanilla and making baseline spells into talents
LOL
>>338195862
PvP bud.
>>338195960
>muh class identity
>they LITERALLY pruned rogue poisons
Do they even believe the shit they spew out of their mouthes?
>>338183839
>get the best gear
>it breaks
>quit
The average player isn a neckbeard with infinite hours to play. and grinding tons of gear just for it to break would be like a borderline job. maybe this would of worked during the ever quest days but it would never work now. please stop posting your shitty idea in every wow thread
>>338196194
Poisons were so dumb anon. They were just buffs that you applied every 60 minutes, completely pointless.
