>play pic related at launch
>combat isn't the best, but still playable
>still enjoyed the shit out of it and gained over 200 hours playtime
>bought the season pass
Fast forward many months later.
>pick up the game again to play the new expansion
>combat is much worse than I ever remembered
>drop it after under an hour
What went wrong?
What killed replayability for me gameplay-wise
>Enemies scale like shit and aren't intimidating after level 10 even on DM. 200h into the game and a swarm of drowners is still more dangerous than a red-skulled fiend.
>Enemies aren't aggressive enough. You're in absolutely no danger after you learn their respective patterns because they won't challenge your reaction time.
>Not enough mini-bosses and too much fodder (wild dogs, wolves, nekkers etc.)
CDPR should've stuck to a more linear story with hub worlds and legit diverging paths. It's still a good game and they did better than I expected.
>>338141315
There's still a chance for them to patch the monster difficulties.
Don't forget TW and TW2 were utter shit until their respective Enhanced Editions.
Once they're done with the game, I wouldn't put it past CDPR to add more difficulty levels.
It has the same problem as any game that has a narrative-centric approach.
It doesn't have the replayability.
It's not a game first and foremost. It's a story.
The worst aspect of it is how many attacks enemies have. They literally do not change what so ever from White Orchard to Skellige end game. Humans are just boring as fuck. All the flying enemies having the same patterns. Big enemies are recycled and reskinned and use the same shit mostly.
HoS had some minibosses that were more unique, Ill give them that. So the new ~20 enemies in B&W better be good.
I would also say Geralt moves really poorly in combat, really floaty but I think this is what they wanted since he is supposed to move like a dancer
>>338140824
The heart of stone update was fantastic.
Yes the combat is the worst part of the game. But all other aspects are so great that I can live with it, and even if the combat is shallow its deffinetly satisfying sometimes. The Witcher series would be the best series ever if not for the mediocre combat in every installment. I can see what they were trying to go for, but they still havent managed to make it work, even by the third game. Still one of the best series ever though.
>hadnt played Witcher 3 in almost a year
>try HoS recently
>dont really know how to play anymore
>face the toad prince
>get rekt 10 times
>>338140824
I'm kind of having the same problem, except I never even finished it in the first place. People keep saying other things make up for it but I'm not seeing it. None of the quests were really great except for the Baron anyway.
>I'm a big fat normie and aren't aware of the dozens of excellent mods for W3
>>338143715
Fucking this
Just put in mods that disable the softlock and remove enemy level scaling buffs/debuffs and you're golden.
>>338140824
>What went wrong?
Well, it's the same game; so what went wrong with you?
>>338140824
Witcher 3 is a just a very good and pretty movie. Gameplay-wise it is the worst rpg ever. I can't imagine someone replaying this game without getting bored from the same scripted quests, shit combat, clunky controls, shit exploration/loot, etc.
Luckily the devs have given the option to start dlc without levelling Geralt.
>>338142793
Same here, I just practiced on the new points of interests to get the gist of it again. Are those order of the flaming rose knights harder than normal human enemies, or is it just me who has gotten bad?
>>338146052
>Gameplay-wise it is the worst rpg ever
Elder Scrolls games say hello
In terms of an open-world RPG its certainly has the best combat system at least when it comes to options and depth. Is the combat amazing no then again I would ask what sort of combat people want in an open-world RPG.
>>338146052
>Gameplay-wise it is the worst rpg ever.
>>338146052
Name 3(three) rpg games with better gameplay
>>338146530
Dark Souls 3
Bloodborne
Dragons's Dogma
The hate this game gets makes me love it more. Happy witchering
>>338146981
THATS A LIE AND YOU KNOW IT
Yen, Triss... I have failed you.......
>>338140824
;)
>>338146981
>Dark Souls 3
>Bloodborne
It is the same m8
and as far as as Dragon's Dogma have better combat everything else is shitty
Still 1 more to go
>>338146981
Dark Souls and Bloodborne aren't rpg games
>>338147298
>>338146981
>>338147092
The game literally gets no hate except for edgy contrarian kids on 4chan
>>338147468
>I play no other game but 'Suck the Polish Cock'
>>338147398
>stating that Dark Souls and Bloodborne is the same is rage
>Stating that Dragon's Dogma besides combat have nothing really good is rage
>>338147561
Why not? That's just weird faggot. There's a lot of game you could play.
>>338140824
HoS is literally 100 times better than the rest of the game
>>338147561
lol u sure are butthurt about someone else having fun.
That makes me want to play more Witcher 3. It makes playing even more fun knowing it makes autists like you angry. I'm going to play some more Witcher 3 now.
;)
>>338147649
theres no replay value in w3. side quests are unfinished and end prematurely. After you beat the story and start a new game you realize you were watching a movie all this time and playing a shit game.
>>338146981
>Dark Souls 3
Not a RPG
>Bloodborne
Same game as above with another skin
>Dragons's Dogma
Nice ideas but clunky and mmo tier execution, Everything except for their combat, which isn't optimised very well, is absolute shit.
>>338147846
then you are not allowed to play anything else for the rest of your life and therefore not allowed to form an opinion on anything.
Do we have a deal?
>>338147934
he's already doing that but wont shut up
>>338147824
I hope so, I'm still finishing up the game (lost my completed save so had to start from 2/3rds through) so I can get into HoS and be good to go for BnW as well. I really can't stand the combat to be honest. I played both a sign and alchemy build but combat still feels clunky and tedious. Geralt's animations are just really sluggish to me. I hate that I can't really dictate the swing animation I do most of the time.
>>338147857
This is the best summary of the game i've ever seen.
>>338147354
You're mom isn't an ATM machine
>>338148080
I am not mom.
>>338147857
And the problem is?
>>338146981
Every fucking time without fail.
Why are soulsdrones such degenerate, subhuman scum?
>>338148014
theres nothing wrong with the combat except that its samey and boring. the enemies are all the same too. just dodge and hit.
>>338148205
you cannot call it the best game let alone A game
I like video games
even the ones you don't
no bully
>>338141315
>nekkers
racist
>>338148205
>Why are witcherfags such degenerate, subhuman scum?
>>338148207
4chan is a safehaven for weeaboos and social outcasts lad. It would of course be better if we could purge those degenerates like out in the real world.
>>338147623
DD has way better loot and actual REASON to do the combat because enemies actually give exp and drop things other than red mutagen farming or save scum for rare alchemy materials for those decoctions you'll never use. I also hated that in W3 I could not disengage from combat. I'm running to a quest and run into a pack of wolves that I don't want to waste my time with because all they do is bite and run away repeatedly but NO GERALT MUST DRAW SWORD AND FACE THEM.
>>338148324
I can call it whatever the fuck I want, you contrarian special snowflake. The fact that me liking a game you don't like makes you angry is just a further bonus to play and enjoy the Witcher.
>>338148324
>200 hours of pure entertainment is bad
>>338148394
>caring what others think
>telling others they are bad
you lost. I won.
>>338148460
>caring what others think
You're in a thread shitting on a game you don't like.
>>338148441
welcome to video games where gameplay is all that matters. If you try to change that you can get lost.
>>338148509
>deflecting your own bullshit.
lets see if that makes you less of an ass.
>>338148460
>must tell everyone and convince them that best game of the year 2015 is bad!
>me don't care about what u think!!11!
Fucking kill yourself
>>338148385
>Better loot system
You say it like you think I didn't play it. Most of loot in DD is shit, only things worth are BBI eq which is random and items for crafting/upgrading most of drop is utter shit
>>338148592
>as long as its something stupid paid journos and I 'like' and not something thats objectively fitting to the video games medium, I can tell others to kill themselves!
>>338148248
Thanks for summarizing every game in existence.
>>338148248
Then why is it when I do a fast swing I can either do a chop, a stab, or a twirling slash all which have different swing timers and none of which are in my control. So either I swing short and miss an opportunity or do the twirling shit RIGHT NEXT to them and they have the time to smack me out of it. It feels like so much is out of your control in terms of what the fuck Geralt wants to do.
>>338148578
>still responding
>>338148691
thanks for playing only action games you tard
>>338148720
>still listening
you sure dont believe in your own game, otherwise you'd be playing it right now.
>>338148748
I know there are other genres but in regards to that statement any combat system that isn't turned based or an RTS can be boiled down to dodge and strike.
>>338147354
>Dark Souls and Bloodborne aren't rpg games
Yes they are, you fucking clown. What, are you gonna try to argue that Witcher 3 is an RPG next?
>buy game on hype
>play it
>play it later and its shit
well . it happens when you buy games based on hype because you are a fucking retard
TW2 had better combat than TW3.
Prove me wrong.
>>338148679
Way better than W3 which you upgrade gear only 5 times in the entire game, from your starter set, to a crafted set, and then upgrade that crafted set 3 more times since everything else is dogshit or only have 1 additional effect that doesn't matter in the long run.
>>338148876
so every combat is dodge and hit?
>>338147561
I love Polish cock so much I'd preorder Cyberpunk 2077 right now if I could.
>expansion approaches
>shitposting on the rise again
so what's going? who else is planning a major release in that timeframe? it sure as fuck isn't bioware this time.
>>338148902
I can't, you're absolutely right. TW2 combat was better by a mile.
>>338148880
They are action games you fucking tard. Is Saints Row a RPG?
Is Red Dead Redemption an RPG?
>>338149041
They are action roleplaying games, dipshit.
>>338148920
anything requiring any amount of real-time combat yes more or less based on >>338148248
>>338148991
They do it for free m8, they are that pathetic.
>>338148895
Yeah I learned this with Bloodborne
>>338149107
Because you get levels and new items?
>>338149041
3 and 4 are.
1 and 2 are action shitty GTA rip offs.
>>338149249
If a game allows you to roleplay, it's a fucking roleplaying game. Whatever your made up definition of the term is is simply wrong, sorry to tell you.
>>338149321
By that definition, Tetris is a RPG too.
>>338141315
low level enemies don't have to be intimidating, its fun as fuck to tear through low level areas chopping up monsters and considering how little xp monsters give it makes no difference. but desu exploring's only fun with alchemy builds due to how much shit you can tank. on top of that if you pick up rend out of the combat tree you're absolutely unstoppable
>>338148361
>PEOPLE WHO ANNOY YOU
>>338149394
Then I suppose it is. Fuck, any game can be an RPG if you want it to be. You can't prove me wrong.
>>338148918
Only thing that imo DD made better in loot department is dragon forging which I do liked but it was too random. In DD you change gear a few times maybe and rest is upgrade as well
>>338149263
>hey can someone recommend me a good rpg?
>Saints Row IV
>>338149485
You are wrong because you're arguing semantics in the most simple and brainless way possible
>>338149172
Vermintide for me
>>338149574
>A role-playing game (RPG and sometimes roleplaying game[1][2]) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting.
So explain to me where precisely I am wrong.
>>338146981
The combat feels super similar. What are you on about? Also, most people don't play RPGs for the combat. Want good combat? Play a Cuhrayze game.
>>338141930
get rend out of the combat tree. whirl is meme shit, rend ignores all forms of blocking on all enemies, even shields, golem armor, gargoyle blocks, boss shit, you fucking name it.
>>338149539
>CoD's online got levels and stuff
>>338149489
That is wrong though, even if you stick with 1 primary class and never swap classes, there are at least 10 different weapons that are straight upgrades. If you figure in experimenting with other classes you can swap gear out a ridiculous number of times.
Nothing wrong with the combat you fucking disgusting casual
>>338149652
So every single game ever is a RPG is the conclusion?
>>338149660
A lot of people play Souls games for the combat, friend. If these games were just mindlessly difficult without any other appeal to it, they would not have the same following that they do.
>>338149652
That is the original definition of RPG which is reserved for things like tabletop games. Videogame term for RPGs is more involved than that and even moreso if you take into consideration of the genres like cRPG jRPG and aRPG.
>>338149793
If you want them to be, yes. I already stated this in an earlier post, now I'm asking you to prove me wrong. If you're not going to do that, feel free to stop posting.
I dunno, I love Witcher 3.
When I do a new game I just go explore villages and side quests I didn't do before. Like this pig one.
>play TW3 1.0
>silky smooth, minor bugs here and there
>replay TW3 1.12 with 6 GB's worth of patches
>everything broken, bomb slots mess up constantly, NPCs get stuck in walls, [Debug] tags in cutscenes, missing audio and worst of all there's now a fuckhuge memory leak
HOW
>>338149894
I want that you are wrong and lose the argument; therefore you are because I just say so and wish it
>>338150051
Well I've already proven that I'm not wrong, by definition, and so far you haven't seemed to have been able to prove shit in this argument.
>>338140824
You got better taste
>>338149961
Isn't that one of the DLC quests? Fool's Gold?
>>338149728
Not really if you use upgrades and play the game because before in mid game you change gear 1-2 times then you get gear from Dragon and upgrade it and then you get BBI lottery
>>338149961
I can still find random small quests. Like meeting two random troubadours you get drunk with and they steal your clothes. Or a random cave with a man trying to hook up with a water hag which wants you to tell it a poem.
>>338150116
It can literally be whatever I want it to be
>>338150207
Yeah, I'm surprised how many small random things are out there. I keep running into these small scenes which I completely missed on my first playthrough.
>>338150164
Yeah think it was Fool's Gold, not sure if it's DLC. I just happened to come across it last night.
The base game is fucking atrocious. Basically only the Baron related stuff is good
I got hyped about going to Kaer Mohren but the zone is completely fucking empty
>>338150276
Then I conclude that Dark Souls and Bloodborne are action roleplaying games as I've stated earlier in the thread. If you want to attempt to prove this statement wrong again, feel free to go ahead.
>>338149961
Have you played HoS yet?
>>338150198
That is a lot of rushing. Even if a lower level piece of gear upgraded is better than something you find, that something you find can be upgraded as well to be better. I like to take my time with games and enjoy the different models of gear and everything. I tried that with Witcher as well but no other armor and weapons come even close to Witcher crafted gear that all the other loot in the game is effectively pointless besides maybe 1 or 2 swords I used intermittently between Witcher sword upgrades.
>>338150454
A big problem was the lack of Nilfgaard quests, and Novigrad not really having a "villain". Skellige doesn't have a "villain" either.
>>338150454
You are objectively wrong
>>338150572
I'll probably give you that part as well but overall Hearts of Stone just blows the base game the fuck away
>>338150454
Atrocious might be pushing it, but the narrative outside of the Baron was fairly weak, at least compared to TW2. Still better than the average AAA piece of trash, but nothing amazing.
Not to mention for every character they pulled off superbly, they fucked up like 5 others.
>>338150483
Yeah I thought it was better than Wild Hunt honestly, that expansion on it's own was my GOTY.
Less is more, quality > quantity etc.
>>338150454
I think there's just a sharp drop in quality from the Baron's story to Triss'. Her story is shit, her accent is shit and you play errand boy for the city rather than feel like you're involved in the story arc. It picks up again with Skellige thankfully and kinda cruises from there.
>>338148385
>those decoctions you'll never use.
Well, you're an idiot.
>sun rise at 3:30 AM
okay, I noticed this while I was playing around with getting some lighting mods to work together right, and it kind of bugs me. i don't remember wonky day/night hours in witcher 1 or 2.
>but it's summer anon
>the sun always rised at 3 am
IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY
>>338147197
I tried to combine all of them in a somewhat reasonable post, but its too much. I got disgusted with myself and quit.
I guess I will never be the shitposted my father wanted me to be.
>>338150916
Its a fantasy sun!I just remembered getting up in the middle of the night to fish a special kind of fish that only appeared at nigh time in World of Warcraft and I nostalgia'd hard.
>>338150909
Of like the 20 decoctions in the game, you'll use maybe 2-3 because the rest are dog shit so don't try to tell me it was worth running around to vendors to get alchemy mats or savescum enemies that never respawn to get rare mats for some shit ass effect.
Witcher 3 is simply a dull and unremarkable ""game"".
Take another game that Witchershills like to bring up that also had terrible combat yet is praised as a fantastic RPG. Planescape Torment.
Planescape has numerous defining features that make up for its mediocre combat system (that is grossly overexaggerated for how bad it is, it's simply boring).
>Can avoid the VAST majority of fights (around 3~)
>Build variety. You can play a thief/mage/warrior each with their own build possibilities that keep each playthrough feel fresh and new outside of the combat
>Huge Role playing freedom. The dialogue is simply unmatched in how extensive and varied it is as well as how much role playing you can do with it. Simple things from telling white lies to maintaing honourable truths to more larger things like selling your damn companions off as slaves
>Totally unique and original world with one of the best stories i've experienced in gaming, not just for its time but to this day.
Witcher 3 has none of this. It gives you around 2-3 dialogue options on average (all varying from the same (Yes), (No) and (Sarcastic) bullshit that Fallout 4 gets shat on for having), it gives you an extremely dull weapons (one handed weapons, primarily swords that all feel identical). It gives you the barebones minimum in its Alchemy/Magic system that feel as sprinkles to its clearly prioritized swordfighting (for example you get one Offensive magic spell, it's a joke really).
Morality is always some variation of gray because the lore doesn't allow any room to make a purely evil or saint-like Geralt. Story is terribly generic and never differs from the initial "Get Ciri and stop the Wild Hunt". The White Frost get hamfisted at the last moment but thankfully the Mass Effect 3 Star Ch-.. I mean, "Ciri", is there to defeat them with no explanation as to how she is able to.
>>338140824
The problem with the game is the actual gameplay.
The combat (as always with this series) is terrible and most sidequest just involve you using detective vision to follow red trails or some shit. Inventory management is annoying (too much shit) and the loot is fucking awful (like in most loot driven games with random loot).
>>338151185
This, whenever people brand the Witcher 3s story as "Fantastic" I genuinely wonder if they played the game.
The production values are high but the story itself is hilariously generic.
>>338151185
cool blog bro but how do you feel that this year's GOTY will be W3's second expansion
>>338150572
>HEH, LEL, SO RANDUM SCENE XD
Am I the only one who found this and the wedding from HoS to be fucking cringe worthy and boring? I mean, both segments are one giant cutscene that lasted way too long.
>>338151185
Hey, I recognize that image! You are the guy who insisted The Witcher isn't an RPG, and then refused to make a definition of what an RPG is.
So yeah. Still waiting for you to define RPG.Fag.
>>338151459
>muh GoTY
Are Witcherfags the niggers of gaming? They literally resort to "Muh dick" tier arguments whenever their game gets criticized. The insecurity is pathetic
>>338151359
>The production values are high but the story itself is hilariously generic.
A "story" is a lot of things. Script, narrative, etc.
>>338151514
>Definition of an RPG
A game with classes (mages/rogues/warrior etc) and(or) morality systems (lawful good, chaotic evil and True Neutral). Prove me wrong by naming me just one established RPG that doesn't have one of those above traits.Fag
>>338151671
I can name many games with classes that aren't RPGs, thus your definition is shit.
>>338151671
Elder Scrolls doesn't have defined classes other than picking some label at the start (optionally) and doesn't have a polarized morality system.
>>338151514
He's just a buttblasted soulsfag
>>338151491
I can understand how people not accustomed to social interaction or drinking alcohol would find the segments meaningless or boring.
>>338151258
>the loot is fucking awful
Lots of people say this about modern games.
How exactly is the loot supposed to be?
>>338151595
Both of which are mediocre. Narrative wise the whole Novigrad segment feels completely out of place and is one giant fetch quest, it was pointless. Emyhr is terribly underwritten same with White Frost (even their destruction is underwritten in that it's non existent. There's no explanation as to how Ciri defeats them at all, it's literally Mass Effect 3 tier), the finale of the game also felt flat out rushed and unfinished (The White Frost is evidence of this) and the Wild Hunt ultimately turned out to be cartoonishly evil antagonists despite the promising glimmers of something more (when you visit their home world and see themasterpieceElven painting) only for it to be nothing more than just that, a promising glimmer. The mere fact that Geralt is even able to consider willingly assassinating a King (when he was so reluctant to do so in Witcher 2 and he was damn near forced in to it then) also felt off (but this is a personal gripe and subjective).
I could go on all day m8
>>338151828
Dark Souls also doesn't fit his RPG definition, since it doesn't have hard defined classes, nor a morality system.
I think he is rather just confused, and I want to help him find himself.
>>338140824
My brother spent $60 on it, and neither of us got into it. Shame. I wanted to like it.
>>338151749
Name me RPGs that don't use them, point is, class and morality is simply the bare bones trait of every RPG i've ever played. What Witcherfags use to "define an RPG" (BRO, YOU ROLEPLAYZ AS GERALDO) can be attributed to literally any game, platforming/adventure/action/fighting, literally any game.
>>338151817
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Classes
>>338151851
Like in Gothic 2. Nothing beats it to this day.
>>338151860
Did you literally not play any of the side quests or explore?
>LoTr is so bad, get ring and toss it into the lava; the end.
>>338151514
>14:54:35
>>338151828
>15:00:09
>>338151894
>15:01:12
:^)
>since it doesn't have hard defined classes,
http://uk.ign.com/wikis/dark-souls/Classes
>>338152092
http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/Multiplayer_classes
http://bf4central.com/battlefield-4-classes
>>338151491
They are some of the best parts of the game, what is wrong with you? Autist or ADHD?
>>338151146
Clearly you haven't fucking played it, because it is literally not necessary to savescum at all.
>>338152085
>talking about main story
>HURR THE OPTIONAL SIDE CAHNTENT IS WRITTEN WELL, LET ME MAKE A COMPARISON TO A LINEAR BOOK SERIES
>>338152159
>>338152092
REKT
so which game had the worst combat in the series?
>>338152159
see
>>338152003
>hat Witcherfags use to "define an RPG" (BRO, YOU ROLEPLAYZ AS GERALDO) can be attributed to literally any game, platforming/adventure/action/fighting, literally any game.
Until you name me a single RPG that doesn't use classes and(or) morality then you're argument is invalid because the one consistent trait among RPGs are those two things. Things that Witcher 3 does not have :^)Because it's not an RPG
>>338152253
W2.
>>338152282
Y'know even Dark Souls games have Sin in them
>>338151860
>Both
I don't think you quite understood. "story" is every single aspect about what happens, what people say, etc.
Your usage of it makes it very clear you don't even know what "story" actually is. You simply use it because you don't know any better.
Also what happens is less important as to how it happens. The Odyssey is about a man trying to get home. For example Odysseus getting locked in a cave with a cyclops is nothing mindblowing by itself.
But whatever, I won't waste my time educating you on such a big topic when you will most likely just stubbornly lash back.
>>338152159
>15:05:19
>>338152230
>16:06:22
Witcherfags surel ike to samefag a lot. What's wrong, not confident in your desperate argument?
See: >>338152282
>Until you name me a single RPG that doesn't use classes and(or) morality then you're argument is invalid because the one consistent trait among RPGs are those two things. Things that Witcher 3 does not have :^)
>>338152282
Deus Ex.
>>338152373
Saints Row IV :)
>>338140824
The game got massive praise from the mainstream media in between you playing then and you playing now.
You're a fucking hipster.
>>338152363
>let me just say that you got it all wrong without even explaining why I think as such but rather i'm going to remove myself from any responsibilities regarding backing up my blanket statements and instantly resort to precognitive ad hominem because YOU'RE the stubborn one here
Why even waste my time? If you don't want to engage in civil debate then don't question my opinion in the first place
>>338147859
Why the fuck is DS3 not an RPG game?
It has a plot. It has leveling. It has combat. It has NPCs. It has questlines.
>>338141712
How often do you replay 200 hr rpgs?
>>338152373
>>338152092
Wrong both times on the samefag thing. All my posts in this thread have food attached to them.
Also your definition is so broad, that it includes games that are obviously not RPGs, thus its a bad definition.
Further, you muddy the water again by being liberal as to what qualifies as a class and what doesn't. By your definition The Witcher 3 also has 3 classes, the swords, signs and alchemy builds which you can call Warrior, Mage and Rogue if you want.
Basically your definition is shit, and you should stop posting it.
>>338152552
As we concluded later in the thread; every game in existence is a RPG.
>>338152282
>Until you name me a single RPG that doesn't use classes and(or) morality
Deus Ex, Elder Scrolls, Divinity Original Sin, Dark Souls, Dragons Dogma, The Witcher.
>>338141626
Was there any news about EE for W3?
>>338152682
No. DS3 has a lot of the common traits normally associated with an RPG not just hurrr durrr you are roleplaying as someone. Fuck you.
>>338152407
Deus Ex does have a class system, did you play the game?
>>338152426
Not an RPG
>>338152185
>need troll mutagen for some ass decoction that is worst than the 2 I always use
>spared the trolls in the quests because they are sentient
>the ones that do respawn drop at some SHIT ASS RATE
>need ekimmar hide, there are literally only 2 in the game
>base game required 6 for all oils that needed them
>patched the WEAKER oils to not need ekimmara hides after I already used the hides, can't get the best oils now since NO EKIMMARA RESPAWN
>Doppler decoction, only 1 doppler ever in the fucking game doesn't respawn
>succubus decoction, only 2 in the fucking game and no respawns
Who ready to pimp out their vineyard in Toussaint?
>>338152515
So did Skyrim,you fucking hipster
>>338152823
By your argument, so does the entire Witcher series.
![witcher3_skills_combat[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/RphlgvD.jpg "witcher3_skills_combat[1].jpg")
>>338152823
How is that a class system, you dummy?
You choose skills. You choose skills in The Witcher 3 as well, every time you level up you put another point.
How is your image a class system, and mine isnt?
>its a "Debate what an RPG means for the 12927163474834397th time" thread
>>338152589
>15:11:42
>>338152742
>15:13:49
>that 9 minutes in Paint job
>Also your definition is so broad, that it includes games that are obviously not RPGs,
And Witchershills definition include literally every game in existence.
Point is, every established RPG (Baldur's Gate, VtMB, Morrowind, KOTOR, Gothic, New Vegas etc etc etc) ALL have either a build system and(or) morality system making those staples to the RPG genre.
Staples that Witcher 3 does not have, why? Because Witcher 3 is not an RPG.
>>338152695
Literally everyone of those games outside The Witcher (because it's not an RPG) have classes and(or) morality systems.
>>338152881
They probably bought it on the cheaper, DRM free gog that doesn't require steam to be running to play.
>>338148128
I can confirm anon isnt mom
From
The father
>>338146981
Real talk I don't find much difference between DS and Witcher combat, I guess DS looks cooler but both are pretty clunky and at least witcher has slightly less bad hitboxes.
>>338153002
>"Do I want to play a swordsman who uses spells"
>"Do I want to play a swordsman who uses potions"
>"Do I want to play a swordsman"
Deus Ex
>"Do I want to be completely non lethal?"
>"Do I want a stealth focused build?"
>"Do I want to focus on demolition/explosives?"
>"Do I want to focus on a combat/gun orientated build?"
>"Do I want to be a swordsman"
Geralt can't be anything but some variation of swordsman whereas Deus Ex offers drastic build varieties.You can't even stop geralt from sheathing his sword in combat without mods, lmfao
Try again
>>338140824
The Witcher 3 is the greatest game up till now. All that's 'wrong' is that you're a jaded plebeian cunt with shit taste.
>>338153038
Why do you keep posting these timers as if they mean anything?
Yes, another person also replies to you. Several people, by the look of of things.
My posts are the ones with food and >>338153002
And you moved the goalpost from "class system" to "build system". Now The Witcher 3 fits, since it does have a build system. You can build for swordfight, alchemy or signs.
Basically you are wrong, and proven wrong.
>>338153038
>ALL have either a build system and(or) morality system making those staples to the RPG genre.
How does the Witcher not have both?
>Alchemy build, sign build, swordsman build
>Choices diverge and effect world and characters around you
>>338153064
>PCucks
>""""""""""""""""""BUYING""""""""""""""""""""
>>338153038
Responding to say you're a fucking idiot.
>>338153038
>17:18:04
>>338153153
>17:19:49
>>338152843
>how dare they make me make choices when faced with scant resources!
>>338153153
I see the point you're trying to make, but Dude Sex was more like
>"Do I want to shoot people and kill them?"
>"Do I want to shoot shitty crossbow darts at people that will have them trashing around the whole area before they fall unconscious, triggering every single alarm?"
>"Do I want to prod with the prod?"
>>338153182
Class system =/= build system
Deus Ex can have drastically different classes, Witcher 3 cannot. You cannot play something other than a swordsman by design because Geralt is a swordsman. You know this
>"HURR, IF I SAY I'M POSTING FOOD THEN THAT MEANS I'M NOT LYING"
Lel
>>338153143
Because you haven't played Dark Souls
>>338152843
Outside of the obvious mistake this isn't necessarily a bad thing. Rare monsters shouldn't pop up all the time just so you can conveniently kill them.
>>338153153
>17:19:49
>>338153240
>17:20:50
>>338153320
>because you haven't played Dark Souls
Except I have, have you?
>>338153206
see
>>338153320
>Deus Ex can have drastically different classes, Witcher 3 cannot. You cannot play something other than a swordsman by design because Geralt is a swordsman.
And there is not a single evil choice in Witcher 3. It's all some form of gray because (again) by design Geraldo is a neutral (more Lawful-neutral than pure neutral) character by design
>>338153302
This is literally the same shit that people gave FF12 over opening some chests in the beginning of the game and dicking yourself out of a spear since you have NO CLUE as to what will respawn and not for farming when you do these quests. You're playing as a dude that has a creed about sparing sentient creatures and yet if you do, you cannot even craft all the alchemy shit. Game is literally telling you to murder everyone and everything because you get shit for it.
>>338153320
In Deus Ex you can't play anything other than a UNATCO agent, because JC is a UNATCO agent.
>"HURRR I AM CALLING SAMEFAG SO I DONT HAVE TO RESPOND TO YOUR ARGUMENTS"
Top kek.
>>338152589
>15:11:42
>>338152742
>15:13:49
>>338153038
>17:18:04
>>338153153
>17:19:49
>>338153153
>17:19:49
>>338153240
>17:20:50
>>338153434
>>338153516
>17:24:32
>>338153516
>17:24:32
>>338153474
>In Deus Ex you can't play anything other than a UNATCO agent, because JC is a UNATCO agent.
That's a narrative backstory, nothing to do with class/morality. Planescape always has you as a Nameless One because that's its narrative crutch, a lot of established RPGs have this.
I never said that Witcher 3 is not an RPG because you're a "Witcher", I said it's not an RPG because you can't be anything but some sort of swordsman or neutral character.
>Top kek.
Indeed
>>338153320
>Deus Ex can have drastically different classes
Except no. It's a build system, they both are. There's a degree of width of choice that is more prevalent in Deus Ex that lacks in the Witcher, but it makes a certain amount of sense. You're playing a fantasy monster slayer that is known to use one particular weapon.
>>338153596
>it's not an RPG because you can't be anything but some sort of swordsman or neutral character
In Deus Ex you can't be anything but some sort of augmented agent or trench coat wearing loner.
If the game doesn't let me retire to own a kebap store its not an RPG. Its railroaded shit, probably made by dirty europeans too.
>>338153618
So you're saying is that it's simply not an RPG by design, right
>>338140824
>"it's shit"
autistic underage edgelords
Literal friendly reminder that every game is an RPG since you always play a role.
>>338153697
Maybe, if you're being an obtuse faggot.
>>338153434
>And there is not a single evil choice in Witcher 3.
There's arguably no evil choice in Deus Ex.
>>338153596
Deus Ex is not an RPG because you can't be anything other than but some sort of special agent.
>>338153618
>Except no. It's a build system, they both are
Except yes
See: >>338153153
You know your classes drastically affect your playstyle in Deus Ex (stealth orientated, combat orientated, flat out non lethal playthroughs, can even ironically roll a swordsman if you want etc) whereas you simply cannot do the same in Witcher 3, in Witcher 3 by design (Geralt cannot be a "pacifist" because he has to kill monsters, Geralt cannot be some mage, because he's not a sorcerer), JC Denton is not restricted in that way.
Dark Souls games are more action adventure games than rpgs.
>>338153358
I'd take that argument if it was consistent but from all the witcher contracts and quests, I can't remember how many of them featured fiends or some form of wyvern (griffin as well) which are all supposed to be rare as fuck where as there are only 2 friendly succubus in the game when I walk into a scene where a dozen of them are sucking the dick of a roided out elf. Also a ridiculous number of funny ass trolls in the game which are all either friendly or never respawn.
>>338153697
Are you saying that there is an arbitrary line on the gameplay diversity scale that decides what is an RPG and what isnt?
Mind sharing where you play it, and why you place it there?
wew lads so many saltyfags
W3 = best rpg since Ultima VII and Serpent Isle
Stay mad or deal with it
>>338153924
>There's arguably no evil choice in Deus Ex.
>classes and(or) morality
It has classes and yes there is, you can literally murder a child for no reason. It's not in your face with a system but it's there.
>>338143715
Mind spoonfeeding?
From the brief overview school of the roach and friendly ui seem fun.
>>338153697
No, I'm saying that an RPG is more broadly defined than "you must be able to decide every facet of your character and said choices must be as arbitrarily wide or narrow as I decide necessary at the time."
>>338153950
They're more of an RPG than Witcher 3
>>338153978
But Skyrim sold more and had a higher metacritic.:^)
>>338154120
There's no wide or narrow about it.
Every established RPG has some form of class system or morality system. Some non RPGs have those mechanics but every RPG also has those mechanics. If your game doesn't have those traits then it's simply not an RPG.
>>338140824
>what went wrong
ask to your parents
>>338154047
It doesn't have classes and when can you murder a child?
>>338153930
1. There are no classes in Deus Ex.
2. You affect your playstyle, not your abilities. You can spend them on one thing and do another thing.
This is by definition an action game mechanic, since its the player skill being tested (action) rather than the character skill (roleplaying).
3. You can choose to use potions or not, to use magic or not, to use oils or not, there are achievements for these. You can choose which sets to use, to use subpar items because they look better, weather to avoid this or that fight, whos side to join in this or that conflict, to do or skip non-essential quests that might influence the end.
There is choice and consequence, and diversity.
Let me give you a good definition of RPG:
>if the game mostly tests the player's ability to fight, its an action game; a bad character can beat strong enemies if the player is good
>if the game mostly tests the character's ability to fight, its a roleplaying game; a badly built and equipped character will lose even if the player executes perfectly
With this definition TW3 isn't an RPG, but neither is Deus Ex. From here we can have discussion on what qualifies.
>>338154120
Black Ops 2 best rpg, it's got classes and even more narrative choices than W3
Boring game with zero depth to it.
It was DoA
>>338154234
Except there is. In Deus Ex I can only handle things as a secret agent. I can never be a lawyer or a news reporter, so it's not an RPG.
>this is what you sound like
>>338154047
In which case The Witcher 3 also has a morality system, since you can choose to have a sorceress burned alive at the stake, for example, when you were capable of saving her.
>>338152881
>>338154306
>argumentum ad populum
So you argue that DOTA2, CSGO and Team Fortress 2 are the best games on PC in the last few years?
>>338154520
Witcher 3 has more GOTYs than all of them combined
>>338154360
> In Deus Ex I can only handle things as a secret agent.
You're not arguing class, you're arguing backstory. Planescape Torment has one.
I repeat, i'm not saying Witcher 3 is not an RPG because you play a Witcher, i'm saying Witcher 3 is not an RPG because it has no class or morality system that differs from the initial source material.
>>338154570
Unless those GOTY's are chosen my random internet users via democratic vote, thats not argumentum ad populum.
Itsappeal to authority, and shitty authority at that.
>>338154771
But why do Witcher fans argue by GOTY count themselves all the time?
>>338154520
>I better compare a single player RPG to competitive FPS online shootahs and MOBA trash
wew lad
>>338154570
>tfw gotys increase every year and no longer mean anything
>Dragon Age Inquisition has over 150 GoTYs
>Skyrim has over 200
wew
>>338154770
So you are saying The Witcher 3 isn't an RPG because it was based on a book instead of made up from scratch?
>>338154840
Perhaps because you bring up the shitty SteamStats every time? They are equally wrong.
Also /v/ isn't one person. Don't try to argue me by pointing to random anonymous posters from past threads.
>>338154770
>is not an RPG because it has no class or morality system that differs from the initial source material.
Except it does.
>>338154404
>since you can choose to have a sorceress burned alive at the stake
No you can't, this got debunked yesterday.
Kera literally says she's going to radovid whether Geralt likes it or not, he even advises against it by default.
Letting her do something on her own accord is not an evil choice, that's just retarded. An evil choice is something with evil intetions, not some unforeseen event that happens later on down the line.
>>338154840
see
>>338151576
Literally nigger tier arguments
>>338149539
Might and magic 6,7,8
>>338154943
>So you are saying The Witcher 3 isn't an RPG because it was based on a book instead of made up from scratch?
No, i'm saying it's not an RPG because it has no class/morality system outside of the established lore. The book might be the cause of this but that's not exclusively why it's not an RPG.
>>338154978
Except it doesn't.
>>338154770
>that differs from the initial source material.
So now we have to add that qualifier? Aren't your arms tired from moving those goal posts every time you post?
>>338155104
How does Deus Ex have a class system outside the established lore, you mongrel?
Actually any game that does would be shit for immersion.
>>338140824
I really like the combat.
>>338155128
Remove the qualifier if you want, i'm just specifying why the Witcher 3 is restricted (because the lore exists). The main reason is because it doesn't have a class/morality system, period.
No need to cherry pick points and put them out of context to draw up imaginary refutes.
>>338155104
>Except it doesn't.
Alchemy, sign, and pure swordmans builds and differing choices with differing outcomes. You can keep saying it doesn't count for "reasons" but you're objectively wrong.
>>338155179
>How does Deus Ex have a class system outside the established lore, you mongrel?
There is no established lore outside of Deus Ex 1 you mongrel and Deus Ex does have a class system. One that dictates your playstyle drastically (for example, non lethal/lethal playthroughs). And even then Deus Ex is one of the more RPG lite games around (still an RPG).
>>338155252
>No need to cherry pick points and put them out of context to draw up imaginary refutes.
Dude, it does have both what if you're saying an RPG is required to have. When this is pointed out to you, you say it either doesn't count because you say so, or you add another qualifier.
>>338154996
>its not real evil LOL
You can take bribes, threaten people, cheat them into getting paid twice, kill people or creatures you are in a position to spare, so on.
Plenty of room to act on the evil side of reason. What you are asking for is cartoonish unreasonable evil. If that is your requirement for RPG, then you must have issues.
>>338155269
>Alchemy, sign, and pure swordmans builds
Literally all variation of swordsman which is exactly as Geralt started out. Not a different class, Geralt remains some form of a swordsman throughout because he's bound to remain as such by the lore.
>You can keep saying it doesn't count for "reasons" but you're objectively wrong.
>"if I use the 'objectively' word then that will strengthen my argument"
You're objectively wrong until you can name me an RPG that doesn't have one or both of the two staples (morality/class system)
>>338155328
>There is no established lore outside of Deus Ex 1
Yes, and the Deus Ex lore dictates what your character can do.
You play as a limited character, his abilities are predetermined. He can't do things that arent on the list, that arent part of his predetermined lore.
Absolutely the same as Geralt.
>>338155462
Literally all variation of secret agent which is exactly as JC started out. Not a different class, JC remains some form of a secret agent throughout because he's bound to remain as such by the lore.
>>338155462
>Literally all variation of special agent which is exactly as JC started out. Not a different class, JC remains some form of a agent throughout because he's bound to remain as such by the lore.
>>338155483
One lore permits many things, the other lore permits one thing
>>338155364
>Dude, it does have both what if you're saying an RPG is required to have.
Nope
>When this is pointed out to you, you say it either doesn't count because you say so, or you add another qualifier.
Except I don't, Geralt always remains as a form of swordfighter, it is by no means a different class in the same vein as being a gun, explosive or melee class in Deus Ex (three drastically different classes) or being a pure mage, warrior or rogue class in Oblivion.
You're reaching.
>>338155389
>if I give a homeless person some change and he uses it to buy drugs rather than feed himself and overdoses, dying in the process then I committed an "evil deed"
Nice logic there kiddo.
>>338155665
>giving a homeless man change is the same as killing people who surrendered to take their boots
Nice strawman there kiddo. And you didn't even address my points, again.
How exactly is being able to do cartoonishly evil shit a requirement for an RPG?
>>338151491
You could've just gone to bed like Yennefer asked you to if you didn't wanna have fun.
The combat is designed to be hard which can be annoying to unprepared players. I really like that the game makes you use everything in your disposal if you want to win a tough fight, but it sure takes some getting used to.
A good example of the combat being hard would be the roll. When you don't have invincibility on the roll yet bad positioning can fuck you up really bad. You can try to roll out of a big crowd of enemies and end up taking a hit from everything in your way leaving you with close to zero hp.
>>338155389
Name a single evil choice, you drew blanket statements with no context. Give me the context in which you can threaten people with a direct example and I guarantee you'll find it to be some shade of neutral (chaotic/lawful etc which is what Geralt is by design) but never in the outright evil territory.
>>338155626
>Literally all variation of special agent which is exactly as JC started out. Not a different class, JC remains some form of a agent throughout because he's bound to remain as such by the lore.
>>338151185
>Planescape: Torment
I love how clueless idiots use Planescape as the pinnacle of RPGs without understanding that it was created at a time when developers were allowed to be that expansive and creative with their narrative. Not to mention the fact that it was mainly a text based adventure, which is nonviable in today's market.
>>338155586
>>338155595
Cool senpai, whatever you say. Playing as a melee/non lethal/lethal/swordsman/gunsman is totally the same as a couple variation of spellsword.
Hey, I guess choosing to 1 hand or 2hand your weapon in Dark Souls also constiutes as a different class in your books. Whatever you guys say,deep down you know i'm right and you know Witcher 3 is at the very best, the most watered down babbies RPG in existent :^)
>>338155784
People are used to extremes in their entertainment. It's all or nothing, you're either a saint, or the most despicable creature in the world.
>>338155806
>enter tavern
>get told outsiders arent welcome
>option A: take it calm and stay
>option B: take your sword out and kill the assholes
Not evil at all, to be quite honest, I do the same every friday.
>>338155939
He can use anything other than a sword, which is already more RPing and backstory variation than Geralt could ever have :')
