>2016 goty
>piratefags won't ever be able to play it thanks to denuvo
>b-but denuvo has no good games!
kek
piratefags btfo
>couldn't even finish Human Revolution because it was so boring and repetitive
>remember posting a couple of weeks ago how it seems like this weird almost natural law that only bad to mediocre games get Denuvo despite being currently the best DRM on the market
>now I hear Mankind Divided will be getting Denuvo
kek
it's so good being right all the time you guys should try it.
>>338124953
Stay assblasted. HR was amazing.
This doesn't even help them because in the end all it's going to push away are players that enjoyed the series in the past but don't want to get burned by watered-down "accessible" trash.
Like when that demo of the Sarif Manufacturing Plant got "leaked" a couple weeks before release and 180'd /v/'s opinion on the game completely. Some 15 year old kid isn't interested in the first place, he's getting whatever the newest Call of Duty is.
The people that are already set on buying it are set, and all the overzealous DRM does is thwart away potential buyers. I can say for myself that I pirated Human Revolution at first but then bought it because I enjoyed it so much.
>>338125123
It's nothing but Skyrim set in the future, mate.
>>338125123
Woah... so this is what it's like... to be blown the fuck out... on an imageboard...
i guess i have to buy mankind divided now... the shame...
>>338125191
>it's skyrim with guns XDDDD
>>338125291
Prove me wrong.
>>338125363
Thanks doc
>>338125225
>mad about not being mad enough
Bro, get a life.
>>338125363
Human Revolution is incredibly content-dense, compared to Skyrim that plops copy-pasted dungeons of shit over a massive plain.
The setting is nothing alike.
The sound direction is nothing alike.
The story or themes are nothing alike.
Eidos Montreal is actually a decent developer, Bethesda is utter trash.
>>338124498
I have preorders this game and don't pirate at all anymore. That being said, I wish you denuvo faggots would stop posting this shit.
I bet you're all just shitstirring aussies anyways, fucking mongos. Wish that continent would just sink into the ocean.
>>338124498
>denuvo
Will this cause WWIII?
>tfw actually poor
>hard for me to get video games, piracy was only way to experience vidya
>mfw Denuvo
>>338124498
IRL Augmentations when?
>>338125485
Ehhhh, Not so sure they're decent after Thief.
Guess we'll find out of HR was just dumb luck or not soon.
>>338126426
t-take that p-p-p-pirate fag!
>>338124498
>Popular AAA game with Performance-killing DRM
>Not cracked
Pick One
>>338124498
Aw shucks
How will the pirates cope?
You're telling me this casual facilitating, triple A and delayed, modern era shit where you are even MORE OVERPOWERED than the last game isn't going to be able to be pirated?
How will people be able to tell if it is shit or not without first trying it out?
Maybe I'll "augment my pre-order" because that was a sign of quality.
How about all the stunning originality in the story hmmm?
Black guy with one fucked up leg named "Elias".
A Quadroon woman named "Alex" you meet after exiting a train.
The train depot shows a dreary city under what appears to be an oppressive regime of faceless MPs.
You get knocked out shortly after.
You go to a city with a big honking spire in the middle.
You take a long ass elevator to the top.
You have a discussion with a guy at sunset even.
Shame those dirty dirty pirates are going to miss out.
>>338124498
>haw hawhawwwww you have to wait until we put it on steam for 90% off!
>even the bugs will be fixed by then!
>unless the crackers beat our DRM and remove the shitty loadtimes from our piracy checks first!
Alright, thanks?
>>338126719
Jc3 hadn't been cracked.
Doom hasn't been cracked.
Hitman hasn't been cracked.
Cry more.
>>338126874
>>338127078
>foxandthegrapes
>>338124498
ill probably get it on ps4 then if the rumours of denuvo fucking with performance are true.
>>338126874
>thinking DX:MD is ripping off HL2
there is a lot of stupid going on in this thread, but your post is by far the dumbest. Congrats.
>2016
>Playing games
>buying or playing single-player games in this day and age
>press X to awesome
>linear retard-proof levels with hints and neon markers
>ultrahardcore difficulty just makes the game slower
>movie director wannabies replace most of gameplay with QTE cutscenes
>>338127512
>Worried about performance
>Buys the version that will perform worse regardless of Denuvo
I don't understand.
>actually excited for "press x to cutscene" console cover shooter
so this is 2016 /v/
>>338127202
Now
Did you seen seen many threads 5 days after launch for
>Bound by Flame
>Hitman
>Doom
And how many for MGSV?You could buy BbF for 3 bucks recently
>>338127636But none of it is a lieThey even went so far as to change the racial makeup of a character that was already established in DE: The FallThey made it so Adam shoots arm blades that stick enemies to walls just like the resistance crossbow for fucks sake
>>338128647
What?
Did they figure out that the only place you can find black people in slavland is in trade ports?
>>338125179
>some neet who can't afford to buy games thinks he knows more with his anecdotes than 6 figure earning accountants and staticians working with sales data.
>>338126513
Thi4f was a different team
>>338128965
>customer thinks he knows more about what he wants than the people we pay to tell us what the customer wants
That is the state of the industry, yes.
>>338129058
It's not about who wants what. It's about if making a game un-piratable increases sales. The people who would know that seem to think it does, which is why they're spending hundreds of thousands of dollars per game on Denuvo.
>>338129214
I don't see sales of Denuvo games soaring.
>>338128965
If he's right, he will get a rise.
If he's wrong, then "we need more data"
>>338126426
Money is what keeps the riff raff out of higher tier pleasures.
If it was irrelevant every game would be F2P tier invaded by hues and ruskies. That would be TERRIBLE.
how much do these astroturfers get paid for this?
What does Denuvo do that no crack has EVER managed before?
I mean really, this is a milestone. How can NO ONE ever come close to this for decades? Even securom was a schump.
>>338124498
What is denuvo?
Can someone please explain?
I sincerely hope this shit doesn't actually have Denuvo. DXHR was a day 1 purchase and I intended to buy this shit day 1, but fuck heavy DRM. All that shit does it make things worse for the paying customer.
>>338124498
Why would you pirate this? Human Revelution was fucking amazing.
The fact that the gameplay trailers showed me that they still have the voice wheel and now hitmarkers will make me not buy it.
>>338126874
>Kia ora cuzzie bro want sum fush and chups?
>>338130063
supposably uncrackable DRM
I can wait few years until it get cracked, I dont need to play this shit, I have System Shock
>>338129981
A protection that soon will be cracked.
>>338129981
A form of DRM that takes samples of the game code and encodes and decodes them as the game plays in the background which is impossible to crack or something, dunno really, stopped reading when realized CPU cycles were being stolen from the game to make this shit work.
>>338126513
A whole different team
Just to put them into comparison:
>Thief team plays the original game on Gamespot and constantly shit on it saying it doesn't work, the thing sucks and it forces you to stealth even though that's the point of the game.
>Deus Ex team invites Warren Spector, Sheldon Pacotti and Chris Norden to the studio to play the original Deus Ex. Followes an insighful commentary on the game for an Hour and the thing is fucking comfy to watch even if it's blatant marketing for the soon to be announced game.
>>338131350
Lel. Every game has a newer version of denuvo. And each one of them will take considerably longer times to crack.
>>338131608
T4FFER had many problems in development, the original team put on the project gradually gave up and left as they were forced to make concessions for modern audiences.
It just ended up being made by a pack of wankers who didn't love Dark Project or Metal Age, the result showed.
>>338131751
But DOOM has v2. And it's already been cracked, just not for public use.
>>338129629
The publishers with all the sales data seem to think Denuvo increases sales.
The people who created Denuvo were literally the crack groups that crack most games these days. The reason it hasn't been cracked yet is because all the people who have the knowhow to do so are being bankrolled by the DRM industry.
>>338132020
>it's been cracked
Nope.
>>338132283
It literally has. For a select few.
They got to the main menu after one day and now it's literally playable for like one guy. They used that .dll trick.
>>338132020
Let me guess, 3DM said it was cracked?
heheheh
>>338132020
Doesn't matter unless they publicly release a crack that works on most PCs.
>buying the console version because fuck drm
>all these denuvo and anti-pirate threads
what the fuck is wrong with you fuckers, I can barely understand consolewars but starting a shit flinging session against people who buy shit and people who don't? are you people that starved for conflict and argument or something?
>>338133845
Consoles have been one giant DRM device for many years.
Are they fixing the XP system in Mankind Divided or is still going to be the same shit from Human Revolution?
>>338133909
nope, they payed nishimura to shitpost all they want.
This thread is shitposting, but is protected by the mods and janitors.
Just remember that doom capture who was banned on /v/
>>338124498
All I see ITT are people mad at that pirates still get games for free
i never asked for love, but i wont do that
>>338124498
>denuvo
Didn't they say the exact same thing for always online DRM?
Last time I checked I was able to play MGSV in a week
>>338136613
How's that Just Cause 3 crack coming along? It's been what, 6+ months since the game came out.
>>338124498
>still shitposting drm
Shills or extremely successful troll campaign?
>>338136664
I don't play western kusoge
>>338136705
>I don't play the objectively superior games over my weebo trash
>>338124498
the fact it's so poorly advertised and soon to be released i think i can just wait a couple more of years for the complete edition for 20€ on sale or something,
i forgot i even wanted this game and i'm not fucking dumb enough to buy this game at release without a demo
>>338136664
the game received shit reviews, why would anyone even bother
it's gonna be on cheapshit sales soon enough
>>338124498
It's a good thing I'm not poor.
>>338136767
Stay mad
>>338136834
>unironically "speaking" a shitty asian language
>unironically using images from a terrible form of media only suitable for subhumans (A.K.A japanese)
>unironically playing asian "games"
>>338136705
>>338136796
It's more like a gauge on how long you will expect Denuvo games to be cracked.
>b...but crackers just aren't going for lower popularity games
So you're gonna start seeing massive gaps in game cracking. Who's to say that a game you really want to play won't be deemed worthy enough to crack in the future.
So far there's several games that haven't been cracked despite being out for months. One major cracking group has given up after it became too hard. The future is bleak for Piratefags. Enjoy having to play less games, and actually pay the developers for their hard work.
Is Denuvo the ultimate augmentation?
>>338136995
i'll just wait for sales then kek
i always did that anyway if i liked the game so i'll just borrow them if i really wanna play them i guess
hope the effort that went into denuvo was worth it, even if it doesn't get cracked - and it allegedly already has - it changes basically nothing for the majority of pirates
>>338124498
>>2016 goty
>deus ex
Nice joke.
>>338137265
>says denuvo changes nothing
>says he'll buy it if he can't pirate it
>>338129981
DRM that takes about a month to crack.
Also, it can fuck your PC so yeah, DRM that fucks legit customers in the ass? Never seen something like that before.
>>338137502
i'll just borrow it from a friend that bought it
at first i'll pay nothing
then, i might get it for pennies
yeah, it changes nothing.
>>338136995
You mean pay the publishers for their advertising budget.
The developers get paid to make that AAA shite, they don't see a dime from the sales 90% of the time, aside from a few select studio heads, such as Toddy, Randy and those type of ass clowns.
Good sales means the actual working developers may be hired again to make the same game again for the yearly installment.
No demos, no piracy, no posting of negative reviews, no preview copies for review, no accountability or repercussions for broken unplayable releases, that's the AAA publisher's wet dream, it's getting closer every year.
They've already got consumers bug testing the games and paying for the privilege, they're already selling parts of games they held back for extra, they've got consumers paying for extras that may or may not ever happen, they've got unpaid delusional kids advertising their wares for them, it's a great time for the big boys and it just keeps getting better.
>>338124498
psst psst hey buddy psst.
ill pirate it on consoles
real talk: how much of the game will be cut this time?
>>338137694
Still need to know someone who bought it. Your friend might buy it because he couldn't pirate it.
Anecdotes are not how game sales work. If 5% of would be pirates are converted, spending a quarter of a million dollars to prevent piracy would be worth it the cost.
>>338124498
Man I even considered getting MD if SE got their shit together with Hitman.
Turns out Elusives are underwhelming at the least and extremely disappointing at most, the always online AND Denuvo are dragging performance into the ground and don't account for anything improving the experience and now rumour has it that Marrakesh will be delayed to late June. Seriously, fuck them.
I will get MD when it's cracked and I will not give SE one more of my shekels.
>>338137274
>these two games only months apart
What a time to be alive
>>338128512
>And how many for MGSV
That was fucking horrible
It's fine. Then I have time to catch up on my backlog
>>338138417
>Try to play some game in my backlog
>End up playing 50 hours of an indie roguelike
Every fucking time
>>338138487
Well yea, that's always a problem, but being the cheapskate I am, I won't be getting any of the big new releases anyway, and if it doesn't get cracked right away, I may be able to make my backlog smaller
>>338137891
there's always some sucker that buys it, always has been
and denuvo's only gonna be around for some time
after which it'll be back to normal
>>338125123
Yeah, those half-assed stealth mechanics, those ''press B near enemy to win'' that basically made you invincible, all those overpowered perks that made things a triviality, those shooty shooty bosses, that mouse smoothing and that Mass Effect 3 ending where the only thing that matters is the final choice were GOAT.
>>338132124
But they don't.
In fact, MGSV is the most selling Denuvo game and it hasn't reached 1 million, while games like Dying Light, Terraria or The Witcher 3 destroyed the 1 million barrier.
Not that you can blame Denuvo, considering a lot of it's games were some of the worst PC ports made in years.
>>338138984
The fact that you list 3 games as proof that piracy doesn't effect sales just shows your lack of any sort of understanding or knowledge when it comes to statistics.
The different publishers, with their own groups of people who have the resources, say otherwise.
It's like how climate scientists say global warming is real, using massive amounts of data they collect from satellites and other methods. But then someone will read the newspaper articles talking about record snowfall and point out global warming isn't real.
>>338139221
I list the highest selling Denuvo game.
Not even a million.
In fact, Far Cry Primal uses Denuvo and it's, by far, the worst selling Far Cry of the franchise.
Even less than Far Cry 1.
>>338139221
Thats a pretty bad analogy
>>338139279
Once again, you still don't understand how statistics work.
>>338139317
It's actually a perfect analogy. Someone with no education uses very few data sets to prove a theory that goes against what independent groups of highly educated people with large amounts of data agree on.
>>338139453
You are not, you are saying that Denuvo is used because it sells more, while it's a fact that Denuvo games either sell the average PC game sales, or underperform.
Like Far Cry Primal, that sold 150k copies against 670k from Far Cry 4.
>>338139532
Once again you are only regurgitating the same thing and proving over and over you don't even have a basic understanding of how anti piracy increases sales.
If the Witcher 3 had denuvo, it would have sold more.
If Just Cause 3 didn't have denuvo, it would have sold less.
Just Cause 3 wasn't as good of a game as the Witcher 3, so it didn't sell as much.
Your comparison of pointing two games and saying that denuvo doesn't work is identical to walking outside when it's raining and saying global warming isn't real.
>>338139946
Exactly, quality is what makes PC games sell, not DRMs.
>If the Witcher 3 had denuvo, it would have sold more.
>If Just Cause 3 didn't have denuvo, it would have sold less.
But you have no proof.
All you have are the numbers of copies sold, which are completely average.
>>338140118
I don't have proof global warming is real, but I can point out that climate scientists say it's real.
I don't have proof that piracy reduces sales, but i can point out that game developers are hopping on the Denuvo train and spending millions for it.
>>338140241
>i can point out that game developers are hopping on the Denuvo train and spending millions for it.
And I can point out at the sales of those games and see the same numbers we've seen in the last years, sometimes even much lower, like with Far Cry Primal.
>>338140312
OK, show me a statistical analysis of all games published in the last several years with their metacritic score, torrent popularity, time cracks were released, pricing levels, sales per day, and from all that data give me a baseline average percentage of how piracy affects sales (positive or negative).
Because I'm sure thats what publishers pay people for, and more, and have independently concluded that dropping millions on drm is worth it.
>>338140535
We go back to the ''piracy affects sales'' argument?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI
http://www.unc.edu/~cigar/papers/FileSharing_March2004.pdf
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d10423.pdf
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/06/study-p2p-customers-are-hollywoods-best-friend.ars
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/04/us-government-finally-admits-most-piracy-estimates-are-bogus.ars
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2008/01/oops-mpaa-admits-college-piracy-numbers-grossly-inflated.ars
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8354166.stm
http://amitay.us/blog/files/piracy_doubled_my_app_sales.php
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/05/file-sharers-are-content-industrys-largest-customers.ars
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2008/10/dodgy-digits-behind-the-war-on-piracy.ars
http://www.ivir.nl/publicaties/poort/Filesharing_2012.pdf
https://torrentfreak.com/file-sharers-buy-more-movies-121018/
http://piracy.americanassembly.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Copy-Culture.pdf
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121114/07180721044/riaa-prefers-customers-who-buy-little-to-pirates-who-buy-lot.shtml
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Another-Study-Shows-Pirates-Buy-More-Content-124363
http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/research/telecoms-research/online-copyright/deep-dive.pdf
>Ubisoft says that 95% of PC users pirate
>release Far Cry Primal
>first Far Cry game to flop on PC
>sold like 1/5th of what FC4 did
I love seeing talentless hacks getting BTFO.
>>338140241
See, this is why your analogy sucks.
A better analogy would be company sponsored sudies that find that herbicides, pesticides and other shit they put on plants does not cause harm.
If a company sponsors studies that says that their business practice is a-ok I am inclined to not believe them.
By your logic you should rather believe a company sponsored study that says climate change is bullshit and they needn't cut their emissions.
I want so see a study on piracy that is NOT paid for by the companies, where we can have at least some degree of objectivity. And then we can talk.
Shit I actually wanted to play this one, they'll crack it eventually
>>338124498
Who cares? The reason Denuvo hasn't been cracked yet is because nobody is going to bother putting the effort in, since there hasn't been a single good game with Denuvo and I doubt there ever will be. If a halfway decent one ever does come out, it'll get cracked in days and there's nothing you moralfags can do about it except sit there and QQ like always.
>denuvo means no modding
Fucking dropped.
>>338140606
Movies and music aren't games. And the article that did mention software was a super unknown piece of software, not a well known AAA game.
>>338140826
Except the company isn't trying to sell anti piracy software, they're trying to determine if investing resources internally are worth it.
>>338141076
>THE article
There's more than one link.
>>338141126
How many articles were there where someone sold a single app and noticed their sales increased?
>>338126508
We already use sunglasses.
>>338124498
I have it preordered but Denuvo is fucking shit.
Enjoy the perf loss.
Has there ever been a game with as great a pre order package as DXMD? You get so much free shit.
>>338140967
Some Denuvo games have been cracked, it just takes a couple months.
>>338141076
That still doesn't change the fact that company sponsored studies are biased.
And as long as there are no independent studies, I must assume that the companies are lying to me. That is just common sense.
>>338141545
Companies fund these studies to prove that they're the best. The objectivity of studies is what lends credibility. They wouldn't fund the studies if they weren't objective.
>>338141545
So you're saying that companies are lying to themselves? Because denuvo is expensive as fuck. If companies thought drm harmed sales, or didnt effect them, they they wouldn't spend huge amounts of money.
>>338141545
I'm not the anon you are arguing with but you are full of shit.
>I don't have proof and yours isn't valid because le spooky corporate boogeyman I'm actually defending.
>>338124498
People who pirate games, will not buy them.
I dunno. I liked the first one a lot but the pacing was way off. I want to play this but have no hype. It might be a wait until it's half price jobby.
Same for Doom and Uncharted 4 really. Games these days aren't blowing me away to the point where I want to go out now and buy them.
Help me make up my mind with the new game
1st PT: Normal - Killing, 2nd PT Hard - Stealth
1st PT: Normal - Stealth, 2nd PT Hard - Killing
1st PT: Hard - Stealth
1st PT: Hard - Killing
>>338141995
Normal difficulty, non lethal unless discovered.
>>338141686
>>338141692
Yeah, because bad exec decisions are a thing completely unheard of.
And the only thing that would harm sales at this point was if a game did something that would piss off the target audience, like being too hard or too "unaccessible".
And even then you would have enough idiots buying shit day one.
>>338142189
>And the only thing that would harm sales at this point was if a game did something that would piss off the target audience
Like Denuvo?
>>338141995
>hard
>pacifist
>stealth
>no alarms
The only way to play
>>338142189
So what are you saying, that developers should remove all anti piracy software?
>>338142189
Strange how the execs at multiple different companies that have grown to massive, multi billion dollar, cooperations all have chosen to keep implementing drm for decades.
It's almost as if they've done internal studies that show drm increases sales, so much so that spending millions on the latest drm (denuvo) is actually worth the cosr.
>>338142304
European extreme mode is shit. You should adapt when spotted.
>>338142368
More like, they've done internal studies that show advertisement increases sales.
>>338124498
>got a 980ti
>pirated 52 games in the last 6 months
>still going to pay 120€ for the limited edition
>will play it on day one
Deus Ex is pretty much the only game I'm not willing to wait 6 months to play
Cry more OP
>>338142973
So a company could have spent the money on advertising to increase sales, but instead spent it on drm.
Seems to prove the point more and more that effective drm = increased sales
>>338143450
There are many game I would have pirated if they didn't have Denuvo. There are many games I spent money on because I couldn't pirate them (mostly console exclusives). I would pirate Deus Ex too, but now I'm forced to buy it
I know it's wrong and everything, but I don't give a shit and there are too many fucking people like me
That's why Denuvo is still used
