Why do we need them? What do they add to the industry? They're clearly out of touch with those they are supposed to inform
>>338073580
sounds like someone needs to git gud
>>338073580
Well he's not wrong. You can be shit at videogames and still have fun. However, if you're ruining everyone else's fun by being shit (dragging your team down, etc), you should fully expect people to be annoyed at you for ruining their fun.
Remember that fucking article about a guy who needed 5min per mob in BB or DaS3 and was claiming that game is bad because you need a "privilege of time" to play it?
This article would have instantly been considered satire 10 years ago.
>>338073580
If you are shit at games, play easy games or with other shitty players.
>You don't need to be good at games to enjoy them
Then why do reviewers complain so much about difficulty?
I'm not sure if they write this kind of stuff for hits or just to convince themselves that being shit at video games is okay.
>>338073580
It looks like part of the game journalists plot to throw away games like Sonic, a game in which you should "git gud" in favor of replacing it with something like "Last of Us" or "Life is Strange", two cinematic experiences about "muh feels"
>>338073830
Yeah, femhype. Funny thing about these kinds of articles is that they're oblivious to how privileged they actually are and of they want to be taken seriously as games journalists then they should be better than average.
![coffee-porn[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/n8XUzNq.jpg "coffee-porn[2].jpg")
>we should end a stupid meme falsely being used as an argument in internet discussions
I agree.
>you dont need to be good at games to enjoy them
This is clearly true as well.
What are you getting outraged about?
>>338073580
Are you saying that every person that plays video games only wants for video games that are difficult? Or, at least, that every person that plays videos games only wants for video games that require a certain mastery?
Op here, I wasn't really focusing on the lack of skill, I meant this more as another example of how shit game's journalists are. It probably would have been better to have used gamer gate as an example
Reminder this guy wrote an article about how bosses shouldn't be mandatory in games because he couldn't beat the first one in Hyper Light Drifter (and stopped playing because of it)
>>338073580
Game journalists is a profession that just needs to go the way of the dodo, but unfortunately it wont because there are too many dumb fucks on this planet.
He's not wrong desu. I'm not good at RTSs but I still enjoy them very much. The only time competency should really matter when evaluating a game is when you incompetence prevents you from making meaningful insight. Such as not being able to access content, or not being able to accurately comment on the state of balance.
>>338073580
>Let me review cars
>2/10
>This car was a manual, and I can't drive stick
>Skill shouldn't be required to review cars
>>338074140
Thank you. That's exactly what I was trying to say
Have games journalists always been shit at video games? If not, then where did the ones who could actually play video games go?
I think becoming a games journalist is like becoming a comic writer. You couldn't hack it at real journalism or writing, despite how low hanging those fruits are, so they go for the fruits that have already fallen off the tree and started to rot.
>>338073580
Well he's right, you don't need to be good to enjoy a game, however it will limit how much of a game you can actually play
Did we ever?
No, Video Game "Journalism" Is Over.
>>338073580
>Why do we need them?
We never did and never will.
Form your own opinion. Play a demo. If the game doesn't have a demo, pirate and buy if you like it.
>>338073580
It's pleasant looking a dumpster fire, even if the smell is bad.
Most of their traffic is hate clicks.
Their remaining sycophant twitter followers are aspiring gamejos themselves looking to take their jobs, OR game devs looking for free shills.
The pay is shit, and the perks have dried up.
Anyone that hasn't jumped shipped to PR in the industry proper is either under-qualified, retarded or both.
>Every game must be the same and pander to me
>But games should promote diversity
>>338073773
Thing is though, usually when you are playing with shitters it's because YOU need to git gud.
>>338073580
>gaming journalism
Just ignore it. JUST IGNORE IT.
If I had Godly influence I would command you sheeple to JUST IGNORE IT.
>>338074068
It's more about people not wanting every game to cater to shitters, every time a hard game comes out we get at least one article saying the game needs to be easier.
They can have fun however they want but they need to stop pushing their cinematic experiences as the best games that all other games need to be.
We don't need them. We don't need critics either.
We only need people to judge and figure shit out for themselves.
He's right, there are plenty of easy games that are a blast to play. I just finished Uncharted 4 and loved it.
But if a game is too much for you either git gud or play something else there is no reason for this shit.
>>338073580
>John Walker played Stellaris for 30 minutes and then quit because he couldn't handle tutorial popups
>he's also a cuck
who cares what he has to say?
>>338073580
>of late
>We totally didn't call out our friends for sucking at super mario bros
>>338073580
>just because I can't drive for shit doesn't mean I can't review cars
>just because I can't cook for shit doesn't mean I can't review cooking ingredients
>just because I can't play the guitar for shit doesn't mean I can't review cars
Video games are not music. You can't just write a bullshit review about how they make you "feel" and how interesting the it is that they only wear red, white, and black, and how you heard a rumor that they're brother and sister and married, ect. Video game consumers will call you out on that because, only music consumers, they actually care about their medium and don't just consume shit to look cool.
butts
>>338074246
>where did the ones who could actually play video games go?
PC Zone was ended in 2010, and by fucking Christ do I miss those magnificent bastards.
They took absolutely no shit from anyone, developer or publisher. 50% was seen as "dead centre", were consistently hilarious and they called it right down the line. Professional and funny.
Why did it have to die?
>>338073580
This is the faggot who wrote the article.
What do you expect from numale cuckolds? They're SJWs because they compensate for being unfuckable, uneducated trash. While neckbeards get autistic about their hobby, these faggots whine and simper about being more "open" and "progressive" because they're pussies. They want to attract women by being the safe, "nice guy" soft blob of a pussy, and get uppity when you laugh at them.
They don't want to git gud, because it's too hard for them.
>>338073580
I assume this piece is in defence of the whole Polygon thing because if so they aren't doing shit for fun IT'S THEIR FUCKING JOB YOU EXPECT PEOPLE TO BE AT LEAST SOMEWHAT COMPETENT AT THEIR FUCKING JOBS.
>>338074417
Op here, it's kinda hard to ignore it when they bully games from being released because of their "sexist" content
>>338073580
>Why do you need to study to become a doctor, everyone should have equal opportunities to get the job regardless of knowledge or experience shitlord
They dont want to spend time mastering a game, this is the age of instant gratification and political correctness, were you cant tell someone he's inept/bad because that hurts their feelings.
>>338073580
Now everyone should make an account or whatever and spam that retarded shit with "git gud"
Just sayin
>>338074068
Because he's not saying that, he's saying games should not require skill and that they should all be cinematic experiences from now on
>>338073580
link
>>338073580
> Cooking
> You don't need to be able to cook to enjoy food
> Microwave dishes and frozen oven pizzas are also enjoyable
Elitism is almost always better than the opposite. Striving to become better is the only way one can ever come close to fully appreciating what you are doing. Doing something half-assed will always be a lot worse.
Let's just make all games press f to win.
>>338073580
You indeed don't need to be good at games to enjoy it.
When you play games with friends, even if you lose or keep dying, you're still having a good time if the people you play with are really your friends. Relax, it's a toy.
>suck at games
>instead of getting good or playing another game, bitch on a glorified blog that's been hemorrhaging viewers for years
>>338074545
I agree with most of your points but you really need to proofread your posts
>>338074068
The point of the article is suggesting that games should progressively cater to less skilled players and offer less exclusive content to higher skilled players. Its not saying less skilled players don't enjoy games, its trying to suggest that they should remove harder difficulties and content that would normally only be accessible by good players.
>>338074730
>Elitism is almost always better than the opposite.
Yeah, for the small minority which belongs. For the whole community, its worse.
>>338074618
Could someone please translate this from /pol/ to English?
>A really unpleasant gaming trend is getting louder and louder of late
What the FUCK.
OF LATE?
How old are you dude!
We were constantly shit talking each others lack of skills regarding certain games back in the day? Did you not go to an arcade growing up? Did you not have sleepovers? What about college could you not stop sucking dick long enough to pick up a controller?
>>338073929
Not really. "Git gud" is literally a meme. That it's replaced decent suggestions in any major manner is ludicrous.
>caring what Sensitive John Walker has to say
>ever
>>338074248
Minority you say. In my opinion we are what we always were. It's them who seek the money, attention and now "equality" in every possible field.
So now, we have "gamers" and people who actually play games. I would rather not mix those two groups.
>>338074639
Better a jackass than a failure.
>>338074006
Holy shit, that makes too much sense. They did the same for Megaman too.
>>338074908
How?
>louder and louder of late
it's been that way since arcades
that's why they had scoreboards
fucking idiots
>>338074102
Some are good, some are bad. It's like any other field of journalism. Its not like investigative journalism has been spectacular over the decade and a half. Do we really need sports journalists? Do we really need film and art critics? No, not really, but they do provide an opinion that, whether you like it or not, shapes some aspects of the field they are writing about, and sometimes other fields if the argument is more inclusive. They vocalize an opinion that has importance. Their importance is apparent solely because it comes from a consumer of the field. They don't need to represent any group of persons that plays video games. That's why you pick and chose between journalists that you share opinions and affinity of interests over those that don't share your like-minded interests
>you will never be so butthurt about opinions that you try to stop others from publishing their opinions while you yourself claim to like freespeech
>>338075020
What do you mean "how"?
For any X, if only 2% of people have access to it, its clearly not the best case for the whole community.
>>338074006
I don't hang around /v/ much, but I'm not the only one who thought "Last of Us" was dogshit, right?
>>338073580
>mfw terrible at almost every game I play
>still have fun
It took me 100 hours to pass Dark souls the first time I played it. I played most of it with around 10% health because Curse stack and I didn't have internet to update. I couldn't figure out how to heal curse.
>>338074753
>It's a toy
This is the mentality that's going to kill our hobby. Obviously videogames aren't the most important shit in the world but I'd really like to keep getting challenging shit like darkest dungeon, battle fleet gothic, xcom and even the new DOOM instead of everything being uncharted.
If you really don't care that's cool but in twenty years I don't want everything to be interactive movies so for now yelling at these numales that their opinion is shit is the most I can do.
is no one going to ask why the picture for this article is a wooden spoon?
>>338074176
>driving too fast is scary, why do manufacturers make cars that go above 60mph?
>tfw remember when RPS was good
>alec meer, jim rossignol, quintin smith (fuck you for that new vegas review though) and heck even john walker were all right
>alec barely does articles
>instead it's tons of freelancers there temporarily or alice o'connor/philippa warr doing buzzfeed style articles
This is what happens when the 20-something crowd who gave us great games journalism become middle aged wankstains. There's not enough new blood in the industry so we're stuck with this shit.
>>338073580
I agree. Too many retards here think if you aren't MLG pro or don't have asperations of being the best ever at a game, you shouldn't play them at all, as if games are for boosting your ego and not for fun and recreation
>>338073580
Sounds like somebody is bad at videogames.
>>338073580
>walker
what a surprise...
>>338073580
"We" don't need them, largely because we have the same access to promotional materials as they do and a luxury of time to evaluate them in an unprocessed format. Same way as people who are plugged into the movie industry don't have much to gain paying attention to shit rags like EW or TMZ.
However, the unwashed masses who don't have the time or inclination to sift through all the meaningless bullshit still need someone to inform them of what's happening in the gaming hobby. Until people stop following game journalism because it no longer informs them, it's not going anywhere anytime soon.
And let's not forget that as useless game journalism is, it still engages in SOME groundwork that can't be accomplished by watching Twitter feeds and reddit AMAs. They stage interviews, preview upcoming vidya, and yes, review games viewers don't want to commit to purchase without third party verification.
Really the only people they're out of touch with are the people who don't use them like us, which is kind of the point, isn't it?
Who else in here knows how it feels to git gud?
>>338074417
Games are crucial part of my life since I remember. Call me a loser or whatever, that's the truth and at least I admit it. It's hard to ignore something that fucks up with your more-than-hobby. Not that I care that much but it's pretty sad and sometimes irritating.
>>338075064
What the shit? Dark souls isn't that hard if you have to do shit over and over again till you think there is some conspiracy behind it you might be retarded.
>>338075148
It is a sony exclusive so... you can guess.
"git gud" is literally just 2010s-speak for calling someone a noob. basically the exact same sentiment. why do these carebears get so triggered.
>>338074963
There's not really much else to be said when the hundredth guy comes complaining about getting hit in Dark Souls or Monster Hunter. Just get better at dodging and timing your hits, i.e. git gud.
>>338073580
He's not wrong. I'm terrible at video games but I have fun playing me them. What's wrong is him writing about pointless shit.
>>338074479
Stellaris is kinda shallow and bad, though.
>>338075189
Because the author's parents beat him with a wooden spoon whenever his report card wasn't straight A's.
>>338075285
>There's no minor details or clues, etc
yes there is, though
>>338073580
I thought /v/ would be defending this guy since /v/ can't get good at Star Fox Zero
what a fag
>>338073580
He's right, sorry.
I don't agree with art criticism out of general principle as value is inherently subjective. However, videogaming is the one medium where I don't mind it, because there is often a trend towards consensus (not actual, objective consensus, just a trend) that allows for recommendations to be useful. That is, my experience could be like that of the reviewer's, unlike say, an album, or a painting, or a book. An unwieldy camera system is going to piss off a lot of people, chances are myself included.
That said, I think most journalists are shit. I don't say this to be a contrarian douche or swing my e-peen around, it's just that most reviewers kind of suck at games. That Polygon Doom fiasco is one in a sea of thousands. I'll watch a kart racing review and notice that the reviewer is always trailing in the mid pack. At the end of the day, how they feel about the game won't be too relevant to me, because I'm going to have an inherently different experience with the game than they do. The game will be less difficult for me to play. I don't really read reviews any more, but if I did, I'd try to keep an eye out for reviewers who were a lot like myself. Jeremy Parish used to be on 1Up.com and I'd listen to his opinion because he had a genuine, lifelong interest in gaming -- he'd mention importing Symphony of the Night as a kid to play on his PS1.
>>338074282
Yes, print game rags use to be awesome. But they never pretended to be anything more than a part of the fandom, or straight up marketing materials tied directly to the publishers.
Anytime a gamejo claims to be part of "the industry" I can't help but grip my sides as to what they're implying... It's an attempt to elevate their role but unknowingly they admit to being part of the marketing machine.
No film critic claims to be part of the film industry, what fucking lunacy.
>>338075174
>If you really don't care that's cool but in twenty years I don't want everything to be interactive movies
by "Toy" you understood all that?
>You don't need to be good at games to enjoy them
No, but you do if you claim to be some kind of authority on them.
>>338073580
>don't feel bad that you suck and do nothing to improve, in fact let's get rid of the idea that being competent is good
Losers and their tears...
Is this how fit people who've worked their ass off for it feel when fat people call them privileged?
>>338073580
retarded article, faggot needs to git gud and quit bitching when called out on being a shitter.
I am of the idea that you need to have some level of cognition and skill to accurately depict how good or bad a game is.
Like the guy who played Doom for polygon was fucking pathetic, I can't imagine him accurately reviewing anything in single player seeing how awful he was.
I mean the dude was shooting healthpacks and couldn't turn and shoot at the same time.
>>338075285
>I guess that's what separates most of us from Kotaku
>>338075174
It is a toy, not an artform. Its purpose is to entertain
>>338074559
Money.
>>338073580
I really question as to how many of these journalists have had any hobbies prior to their current""""""""""""""""""""""job"""""""""""""""".
You got shit talked regardless of what you were doing; sports band, any club with a competitive aspect. You don't need to be good at basketball to enjoy them, but when you brick a shot for the 12th time in a row people are going to laugh at you.
>>338073773
Even then you're making vido games worse for others, because if the audience is full of lame fucks, games will be adjusted to suit their stunted abilities.
It's gotten to the point where it's not marketable to make a game complex enough to warrant a tutorial level because spastic ADHD can't can't stand that shit. They need to feel they've aced the game after a 3 minute intro sequence.
>>338075457
Dark Souls is hard. You have an easy time because you're just that skilled.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
>'git good' such an attitude reveals narrowmindedness in gaming and humanity
lol, and not war slavery and all the back of the closet blood deals? but your problem is with games??
yeah we don't need vidya journalists anymore.
also telling someone to get good is encouragement to not be shit.
>>338075645
Cool, I want my form of entertainment (Games considered kind of hard) to stick around and for not everything to be castrated for shitters so I have nothing to play.
I don't know what it being entertainment has to do with anything.
dark soul is a shit game though. people meme like crazy the "gitgud" shtick but it doesn't change the literal fact that the controls are sub-par, and the hitboxes pure garbage. It's just fucking mediocre at the very best.
>all games should be open to everyone
Good idea. While we're at it, all books should be written in pre-school level .
>>338075645
>literally not knowing what art is
kys
>>338075174
Challenging games are still toys. You seem to bringing some pre-conceived notions to the table.
>>338074559
>pczone
>>338075681
I don't understand how people can get this mad at a single player game.
Do RPS come out and say this article is about that Polygon video of someone being shit at video games when their job is in part to play video games?
Spoon thread?
>>338075681
>Story is non-existent
This guy legit needs everything spoon-fed or he doesn't get it. The fact that he says soloing a raid is hard means he's also a fucking moron.
>>338075760
>hard
pff, nobody lose at dark soul because of anything hard. You see the tells miles way, you only lose becaue you are slow as shit and the enemies have a priority on all the time, with massive shockwaves and the option to rotate mid animation if you move away without a roll
>>338074426
The article has nothing to do with games becoming simpler. It's solely about not criticizing journalists and potentially any other demographic because they're awful at games.
>>338074697
>Confirmed illiteracy
>>338076024
haha good one /b/
>>338076024
This is /b/ tier shit, why you dont post the "make your own crystals" too?
>>338075915
>got the mag pulled from WH Smith
>>338075681
>I Suck at this game so it's terrible and if you disagree you're a nerd!
Hue
>>338073580
>Why do we need them? What do they add to the industry?
better yet, why are you talking about them since you know they add nothing to the equation?
>>338076000
This is about John Walker being shit at Hyper Light Drifter.
>>338075064
>game literally let's other players do all the work for you
Literally the only people who complain about Dark Souls being impossible either have never played it or never bothered learning the basic mechanics.
>>338076024
spooning thread?
This is real
Proof that critics are trying to put Sonic away, which they have done with games like Megaman
"Get good" implies that goodness > badness. That success is dependent on effort. That there's a "right" way and a "wrong" way.
Every single one of these concepts is an anathema to a modern leftist. They aren't joking when they equate meritocracy to racism and any and all success to privilege. I'm personally shocked the author of the article didn't imply that "git gud" is a racial slur. They're that hellbent on controlling the dialogue and structure of communication.
>>338075724
That's only a problem if all you consume are AAA games made to pander to the lowest common denominator. The market isn't some homogenized mass that abides to the will to the general consumer to the exclusion of everyone else, it's a mess of different subcultures each pandering to sometimes very specific interests. Yeah, it kinda sucks that gaming has stopped focusing on us specifically, but it's not like there's any shortage of games to play that may tickle MY fancy. They're just not coming from major publishers with major mass media fanfare anymore. The corporate giants have moved on to more lucrative territory.
>>338076024
I don't get it.
>>338076286
>not being the big spoon
What fresh hell faggotry is this?
>>338075285
I don't like DS. But it doesn't mean the game is bad. I can see why you guys enjoy it so much and I can spot some objectively good design ideas in it. Why would I demand that DS should cater to my taste? I just switched to a different game and had fun with it. Is it really so complicated?
>>338076446
Because he's clearly dead
>>338076330
please go back to /pol/
>>338075343
I reloaded against the first knight to practice parrying and got pretty done with the game. Finished through Capra Demon, got to Gaping, got tossed back like 100ft. off a ledge (probably a glitch).. figured I was exploring more than I was actually engaged with anything, so I quit. Still no reinstall. The game's not that active, and it's not that fun.
These types of reviewers and journalists and pundits and whatever have always been around on the fringes of other genres. There have been people whining about pointless shit in films for decades but they never get mainstream.
What is it about video games that let them get to the mainstream of that genre?
This is true, but you can't deny that some games are built around certain mechanics that time time to master, and infinitely increase your pleasure once you do.
The only real problem here is people reviewing or bashing games based on their inability to master a certain mechanic which the game is built around.
>>338076024
Post the responses of people doing this.
>>338076024
How does that hurt/kill me? Hot steam?
>>338076409
FUCKING PISSED!
>>338075452
>However, videogaming is the one medium where I don't mind it, because there is often a trend towards consensus (not actual, objective consensus, just a trend) that allows for recommendations to be useful. That is, my experience could be like that of the reviewer's, unlike say, an album, or a painting, or a book. An unwieldy camera system is going to piss off a lot of people, chances are myself included.
Do you read a lot of art, film, music, or literary criticism? Because the same thing you are talking about with video games is very much there in all of those fields. There are particular formal, stylistic, and content based information that critics lean towards, no matter the field. I'm having a hard time believing you've given every other medium a fair chance as a result of your position that as a result of a criticism being subjective, it is thus pointless.
Obviously it is subjective, I don't even understand the importance of that argument anymore. Why would you even take the time to write what you just wrote if everything is completely subjective? People do have shared experiences, emotions, and tastes. If everything was so purely subjective, as you state, we would have a very difficult time getting pleasure from anything that someone else has created.
>>338076057
How convenient.
>>338076450
This is no place for reason, you maniac.
>>338073580
If it's multiplayer and you are being shit but enjoying the game, you're still making everyone else playing not enjoy it.
If it's single player, the only time anyone will tell you to 'git gud' is if you're complaining about the game being too hard or unfair, in which case you're clearly not enjoying the game since you're bad at it.
>>338076528
>everyone that disagrees with me is /pol/
Classical Memeing.
>>338076574
Just tried it, it made a rainbow. Pretty cool but a waste of time and spoons
>>338076213
>at first I thought it's probably good since it costs so much
I wonder what it's like to be this retarded.
>>338076717
Just post the responses so I can laugh.
How can people be bad at video games? You keep trying and trying and trying until you get it, it works on pretty much every single game(theres bound to be a few that are impossible unless you're gifted).
Fair enough if you're shit at pvp or something team related but you keep trying.
>>338073773
>You can be shit at videogames and still have fun.
The game stops being fun when you realize you can't play the way it's mean to be played, you're doing worse.
>>338076520
Irrelevant.
>>338075165
If you finished the game like that you're probably better than most of the fanbase spouting "git gud" in the first place
>>338075145
But the experience is rewarding as a result of the effort it takes to reach it. If anything, we're in a better time for it than ever. You can have someone else cook you a 3 michelin star meal. Or you can use the internet to learn to cook godlike food yourself.
Same goes for vidya. You can use youtube/twitch/whatever to watch extremely skilled people play games. You can use their tactics to improve your own.
Why is there a picture of a wooden spoon on the article.
>>338073580
like most corporate media, their way of functioning has become obsolete with the advent of the digital age. This is truer for videogames than for other things, because they are such a new medium, meaning the people writing these things don't know jack shit more about it than you do. Ergo they should not get a bigger platform.
And of course he's wrong, not with what he says but with what he means. The implied simple subtext here is that the people who are shit at videogames should not be ignored when they commentate on them. That's obviously nonsense, for the same reason car magazines don't hire people who don't know how to turn on the ignition. If you can't drive, you shouldn't commentate on the quality of a car (or rather, no one sane should give any weight to your opinion).
>>338076660
Actually, beneath mountains of memes and shipost you can find at least a little, dimly fracture of reason here. And mostly here, which is the problem.
>>338073773
Yes, but the point they are actually making is that they are not having fun because they are shit at it and it is therefore the games and other gamers fault and not theirs. Then again what do you expect from a bunch of over-priviliged narcissistic hipsters.
>>338076545
Video games don't exactly attract a core of intelligent critics to lambaste them for being fucking retarded, not do they attract an audience with discerning enough tastes to tell them to fuck right off with their Sociology 101 paper disguised as a video game review.
>>338076716
>i can endlessly complain about leftism on /v/ if i make a single tenuous connection to videogames by misinterpreting that which i'm commenting on
>>338075148
I would have read a Last of Us book and enjoyed it. Last of Us the game was pretty underwhelming
>>338073773
>However, if you're ruining everyone else's fun by being shit
this doesn't apply to singleplayer games at all
>>338074639
OR
OR
OR
BEAR WITH ME HERE
Some people find a serious challenge to be ENTERTAINING.
>>338076024
Those were the days.
>>338076409
>[devil trigger intensifies]
>>338076873
>"How did you lose that eye, Anon?"
>"..."
>>338075376
Yeah but his article about it was about how it was too hard to understand.
>>338076213
Now I really want to play Catherine again.
>>338077028
You won't hear anyone say "git gud" in single player games. The only way you'll end up hearing it is if you come on /v/ and whine about the game being unfair.
>>338076403
cooling=contraction
heating=expansion
rapid contraction+rapid expansion+cheap metal spoon=explosion spoon shrapnel
>>338076873
gold.
>>338076629
>There are particular formal, stylistic, and content based information that critics lean towards, no matter the field.
I don't agree with this. Even if critics did show a leaning towards something, it's irrelevant to me unless it is also indicative of the population outside of the critic's circle.
Essentially, I only use criticism to find someone who shares my own personal set of preferences, and use their recommendations to help save me time and money. This is never reliable for me, save for videogaming, because there are certain things that tend to affect a virtually objective reaction; i.e. unwieldy camera controls, or an unskippable cutscene right before a difficult, death-prone area.
>>338074926
"this guy looks stupid and I hate him." I believe but it's hard to tell from the number of buzzwords and memes used.
>>338075145
Self improvement and learning aren't elitism, I think the most human and defining thing people can do is learn and improve themselves.
If you're out to better yourself or others, why are you even alive?
>>338077127
>You won't hear anyone say "git gud" in single player games.
I've heard it on Dark Souls for Anal Rodeo, so not really
I think you're missing the context of this editorial, anyway. It's about the Polygon hack sucking at Doom (that happened last week). Which, for the campaign, is a single player game
Gitting Gud' is a requirement for games by design.
Even an extremely shallow skill curve requires you to overcome some kind of difficulty.
Walking sims with their near flat - 0 curve are either derided or considered non-games. And rightfully so.
Critical thinking, problem solving, winning.
Overcoming the obstacle is what's makes you enjoy them.
So yes, in fact, you *need* to GIT GUD to enjoy a game.
>>338076865
I'm pretty sure I'm not playing most RTS the way they are meant to be played and I still have loads of fun.
>>338073580
>being so butthurt over a Dark Souls meme that he had to write an essay about how his feelings are totally not hurt, and how he totally doesn't care.
reminder game journalists are where "journalists" go when they fail to get proper journalism jobs. All the ones interested in games got the boot long ago when these rejects were willing to do it for less money and took more bribes.
>>338076873
there was a worse one were some guy got someone to fuck up there pet bunny.
>>338075356
>this picture
>>338074959
aka
I recently converted from mobiles games to systems
>>338075145
I'm the guy your initial post replied to.
Elitism and accessibility is two completely separate things. I believe everything should be (and probably is) accessible for everyone, however, my initial post argued not for accessibility, but for elitism.
Until you start to STRIVE, to WANT to make better food, until you start reading, listening, watching, and generally trying to improve, you will remain at whatever level of capability you are already at.
Only by striving to do better, can we become better. And only by bettering ourselves, can we truly embrace and enjoy what we do. Its why you generally enjoy doing things you're good at.
Some people like fiddling with cars - because they're good at it. Or at least they think so themselves.
Some people like cooking, because they're good at it. Or at least they think so, their friends liked eating over at last weekend.
Could you at any point argue AGAINST bettering yourself? That becoming better at something would ever be BAD? I think that anyone who has adopted such a perspective of things, must have deep trouble doing whatever it is they want to do.
Do you want to hear what I would recommend in order for someone to change such a perspective?G I T G U T
>>338076396
Problem is that early 2000s shooters like NOLF or XIII are among my favourite games, and it's single player FPSs that suffered the most from casualization.
Those games would be impossible to market these days because their gameplay and level design would be considered way too complex.
>>338076320
anyone who's said this is a nintenbabby who started with SA2 GameCube version
>>338074102
You dont have to be good at journalism to enjoy it.
>>338077272
>I've heard it on Dark Souls for Anal Rodeo, so not really
How did someone tell you to gitgud in Dark Souls, pray tell? Did you coop/pvp with them and they sent you mail? In that case you were playing a multiplayer game.
The polygon quadriplegic is also recording gameplay for a game, and their entire job is to record gameplay. They are not there to enjoy the game, they are there to give it a good showing. They SHOULD be held to a standard of skill, since its their fucking job.
>>338073580
I remember when games had difficulty settings so people who weren't good at games and people who were excellent at games could both get an enjoyable amount of challenge from them, without suffering either boredom or frustration.
Then Dark Souls happened, and now people think a game needs to be either a walking simulator or a casual filter in its totality.
It is kind of annoying, actually.
>>338075870
>the controls are sub par
what did he meme by this?
>>338074545
>just because I can't play the guitar for shit doesn't mean I can't review cars
>>338074397
Only the sort of diversity which appeals to me though.
Don't you get it? It's just old-fashioned authoritarianism. My ideas are good, your ideas are bad, your ideas must be removed.
>>338073580
>filename
Mobile posting should be an insta-ban.
>>338077330
Its such a joke, these people should be lynched
>>338077508
Did you not play the new dude sex game?
>>338077493
I wonder what these people think about the series still going strong.
Microtransactions are usually for beneficial shit people don't feel like grinding for, so why don't they just start selling easy mode?
>>338077596
>How did someone tell you to gitgud in Dark Souls, pray tell? Did you coop/pvp with them and they sent you mail? In that case you were playing a multiplayer game.
Me? No. I said I heard.
On /v/. Which doesn't make it multiplayer, it's faggots who want to control someone else's experience of a single player game.
>and their entire job is to record gameplay.
Nobody gives a shit because games journalism is dead. People can watch streamers if they want to see gameplay. There's no use getting butthurt over Polygon or RPS because they're irrelevant hacks.
Let them die like games magazines, and eventually they'll be glued to their local bar every night drinking away their tears and remembering "the good old days when I got paid to shove my shitty opinion down people's throats about vidya gays."
>>338074545
>just because I can't play the guitar for shit doesn't mean I can't review cars
>>338073580
I recall John Walker made a post on RPS about how shit he was at Hyper Light Drifter, because the first boss was too hard for him
I thought it was reasonable until I realised the first boss I fought was the West boss, while the Bird in the East was leagues easier
git gud u fukn casul scrub lmao desu fampai
>>338077596
Not that guy you are replying to but. Have you ever visited a Souls thread?
Nothing but people shitting on each other and telling them to git gud when they die to pretty much brain dead bosses.
>>338077856
I've heard worse ideas.
The people that want short games they can finish in a day or two with no speed bumps along the way, are generally people with more income.
>>338077661
>It's just old-fashioned authoritarianism
Did I miss the pogroms? Or is this the kind of old fashioned authoritarianism where someone disagrees with you online and it hurts your feelings?
>>338077196
>Even if critics did show a leaning towards something, it's irrelevant to me unless it is also indicative of the population outside of the critic's circle.
You can take the two most renowned and hated art critics, Clement Greenberg and Harold Rosenberg, and their writing about abstract expressionism, the countless books that have motivated interest in understanding the relationship between a critic and the populace as a result of their writing, and find that, often, in the case of excellent critics, they tend to have a good grasp of the culture they are speaking from.
I am not defending every critic, and I agree there are critics that, as you state, are not "indicative of the population outside of the critic's circle." Despite that, there are critics that tap into the root of a culture through their criticism.
>>338077901
>>338078006
What context would there be for someone to say 'git gud' to you, if you were not posting about how difficult the game is?
>>338077290
That's because you're doing it wrong.
>>338073580
"Game Journalists are Dead"
>>338077837
I did, and I enjoyed it a lot, but I think games like Deus Ex or VtMB are a whole different genre.
Wouldn't compare them to XIII or Undying, maybe not even NOLF.
>>338078006
see >>338077127
>The only way you'll end up hearing it is if you come on /v/ and whine about the game being unfair.
>>338078203
>What context would there be for someone to say 'git gud' to you,
Asking for advice and only getting (You) "git gud"
>>338073580
You know the whole thing sorta seems pathetic when you realise that the journalists are complaining about people saying mean things about them online. Not even things about who they are as a person, just about their ability to play video games.
>>338075000
Wise words.Trips don't lie.
>>338074789
>playing uncharted 4 on crushing while gf watches
>Everytime I would die she would say "just put it on easy, I want to watch the story"
>I tell her I need to git gud
>she says she doesn't understand
Females don't want to git gud
>>338078203
None.
But if you weren't bitching and showing how much you sucked at the game nobody would tell you to get good and nor would anyone every consider the idea of making games easier. Because nobody is complaining.
If nobody is speaking up about a problem they are having and nobody else notices this problem themselves was there really a problem in the first place.
Sometimes the problem is just the person and not the thing that person has a problem with.
>>338073580
>Read article
>I’ve not played Dark Souls 3, because I detest boss fights at the best of times.
Oh it's THIS faggot again
>>338074006
>Sonic, a game in which you should "git gud"
but all sanic games are af
>>338078778
ds3 boss fights are trash compared to previous entries.
>>338078870
He doesn't hate DS3 bosses, he just hates boss fights in general. John Walker doesn't like anything unless it's walking simulators about how hard it is being a black tranny.
>>338074401
>usually
and thats the point
>>338078649
>>I tell her I need to git gud
>using memes unironically out loud
guessing you're one of those fags that actually SAY "lol"
>>338073580
> still
It was never needed in the first place. Vidya "journalist" opinions are no more valuable than /v/ opinions
I for one welcome this new trend.
I can't wait for the next Car & Driver review of the latest sports car, written by someone who's never even driven a manual before.
>>338074068
Not outraged, just having a laugh at this guy for being bad at video games
>>338078984
in 10 years nobody will drive manuals except hipsters
>polygon playing doom
>>338078649
She's not playing the game, dipshit, she has no investment in seeing you fuck up over and over again. To her you're the projectionist at a movie theatre fucking up when switching film reels; yeah it probably matters to you that you actually learn how to work a film projector, but she'd rather just watch the movie and there's a digital projector right next to you anyway.
>>338078870
The point was he hates ALL boss fights, I didn't recognize the name but when I got to that line I remembered that stupid article he wrote about it
>>338078962
>>338078870
>>338079409
>>338079582
jesus christ this guy sucks balls. not every game is going to be meant for every special snowflake.
>>338078649
>get bb
> do a couple play throughs
> getting ready for training one night
> gf asks if she can play while I go
> sure
> she's now cleared everything up to maria solo having never played a souls game before
> all I did was suggest a quality build for her first run through and point out some items that are easily missed
>>338078791
That's the sad part
>>338073773
>I have no real life accomplishments so i must compensate for that with videogames.
>I play games only for competition so i can feel superior to others *tips fedora*
People who play with your kind of mindset are the problem, not the solution. Games are casual entertainment, kid. Before you were born during the SNES, Super SNES and PlayStation 1+2 era people played for fun not for showoff or bragging. Now we are stuck with the "git gud" retards like you who buy all the DLC and basically kill the singleplayer, because fat spoiled dumb kids sitting in their parents basement with cheetos, mountian dew and Razer™® gaymer gear have to feel superior to others to compensate their failure in real life. You are the ones ruining the fun, because you don't play for fun to begin with. Now git gud at real life you talentless faggots!
>>338078870
sonygger detected
GIT GUD SCRUB
>>338079081
before long you wont even be able to drive on regular roads. Humans are the greatest danger on the road, governments are gonna be keen remove that factor as soon as it's viable. Over the course of the transitional period they'll keep increasing insurance prices and eventually push people out of driving self-driven cars before eventually outright banning them on roads.
Git Gud applies to life as well.
What a pussy faggot that guy is.
>>338078649
>Babe-- you don't understand, I gotta
>git gud
Oh wow, I can really see this
>>338073580
>John Walker
And yet this thread will go to the bump limit.
>>338076024
If you are retarded enough to do that you deserve to die actually.
>>338079749
I don't even own a ps 3/4. just saying the boss fights in DS1 are better. and arguably a couple in DS2 dlc. all the back stabbing and parryable bosses ruined ds3
>>338073580
Why is that kotaku and polygon seem to live off shitting over gamers and catering to SJW agendas.
Literally how are they still a thing. The only time i hear anything about them is when they decide to attack people who identify as gamers with retarded sweeping statements.
Nobody demands that the person playing be great at the game, people just expect them to play like they aren't amputees.
>>338079738
I used to imagine that enemies in games were actually other players trying to get through their game and I was the monster in their game
>>338079582
holy shit this guy is such a flaming faggot
>wanting more difficulty in games is selfish
>wanting games to be made easier in general is not selfish at all
fuck this guy, fuck his double standards
>>338079781
Honestly I don't see much of a problem with that. I'm sure there will still be racetracks, just like for horses.
>>338079582
>It's selfish for you to want boss battles
>But it's not selfish for me to want them removed
>>338079913
>having parrying actually function in boss fights is a bad thing
>>338073580
Do we need video games? Why do we need them? What do they add to society?
Games journalists exist for the same reason video games exist. The current market demands it.
>>338079961
There's a dude who has done upside down, blindfolded and silhouette mod run throughs of souls games. I dont see why an amputee would have a major issue.
This guy has skin thinner than rice paper and an ego more delicate than a tomato. How does anyone get bothered by git gud? If used in an argument its a worthless shitpost that's used as a deflection. If someone tells you git gud in a co-op game it's because you fucking suck and it's the most inoffensive way to get that across.
What the hell is wrong with these people? I suck at shooters too but even I could do better.
>>338079738
>not for showoff or bragging.
High scores are literally just for bragging, if you beat a game like Contra you bragged. If you beat someone in Street Fighter II you bragged.
>>338080240
every parryable boss in dark souls is a fucking joke.
>pontiff.webm
>gwynn.webm
>abyss watchers.webm
>etc
Oh well. Who cares.
You don't have to be good to enjoy games, true, but making them easy as fuck, so you don't need to have any skill to do well, is just as stupid.
