What's your take on Ocarina of Time 3D and other Nintendo remakes?
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>>338072708
SM64 Remake happened a gen too early.
>>338072708
Graphics of 3DS version with N64s lighting might have been nice.
>>338073140
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>>338073361
The reason why the 3DS version is so bright is because of the 3DS's screen.
I was just watching a comparison here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_twuOTykzu0
What the fuck have they done to the animations? Looks like it's lacking frames, so he immediately has running animations when moving which looks low budget as fuck
Turn down the colors.
>but the 3DS screen
Shit has five fucking brightness options.
Honestly, the only graphical change to the 3d version I don't like is the animations. Young Link walks like a yard and adult Link twirling his sword in battle like in TP looks really tacked on.
>>338073259
>SM64DS came out almost 12 years ago
Oh how time flies.
>>338073487
The 3ds screen has "true" black in the portal.
The remake is less grim, but haven't played it yet so don't know if it's better overall or not.
they fucked it up,just like every other remake they do
>>338073757
Bullshit, there was never blood in OoT.
>People will actually say the N64 version looks better out of some autistic blind nostalgia
>>338072708
I just can't. It's probably pure nostalgiafaggotry, but the only way I can play and enjoy OoT is by hooking up my actual N64 to a decent CRT which I've kept.
Any other way, be it emulation or remake just doesn't feel right.
>>338072708
The remakes aren't only bearable to play, they're actually a pleasure. Smooth item and menu navigation and usage, polished visuals, smoother framerate. Love the remakes.
>>338072708
they made it look gay
>>338073757
The colour of the blood was changed to green in later cartridges of Ocarina of Time for N64. At least post an image with correct information.
I like them a lot. I've been playing through oot and mm once a year for a long time now and playing on a handheld makes it easier. With oot a few things bother me (sometimes the lighting and small shit like that) but the master quest version more than makes up for that
Mm is also good though a few things bug me about it. Most of the boss fights are a downgrade to me, especially twinmold. Though I never talk to them every time I run through clock town and one of those annoying little fuck bags runs up to me and shakes his fists like some autistic little loser I get mad. Other changes I like, the added bottle quest is fun, saving is a lot easier, song of double time is way more useful, the fishing, all helps even it out
Overall good remakes
>>338072708
Definitely easier to look at. MM3ds is the objectively better game than the original.
>>338073259
nah nintendo ds was perfect for mario 64 cuz it's a shit game
>>338073894
Not him, but there were different version of OoT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwLlZ9pvRrE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZSi6FdBnlQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5blHw6C4Ax4
The remake done in the unreal engine looks way better.
>>338073964
AESTHETICS
>>338073883
It's funny how a remake almost two decades later has much more aliasing than the original.
>>338072708
>Well lit clearing in a forest should be so dark you can barely make out the faces of people three feet away.
Look, I fucking love good lighting for atmosphere, guys. This is not good lighting. This is a plain old overly dark scene.
Bad example. There are far better ones. Though the most disingenuous aspect of this all is 3DS captures are not representative of the product on the actual 3DS.
>>338073894
You a dum dum .
It should have come with what 343 did with the halo remakes, giving the player the ability to switch the visuals from old to new with the push of a button.
It was a great move, and I would have loved it to have happened in the zelda remakes.
Otherwise, they're ok. It's an excuse to play through them again, easy to start up and play.
Majora's Mask has a lot of changes that improved some things while making it seem a little shallower maybe?
>>338074064
all versions of the game were created at the same time but some were released later. so you don't know shit
>>338074297
you're looking at a comparison of an emulated N64 game with a zoomed in NDS
>>338074341
Also, they should have been on the Wii U.
What's the point of redoing the visuals if you're going to limit yourself to what the 3DS can provide on it's tiny little screen?
The Wii U is HD, and to make a game that actually looks visually impressive for it's time would have been a much better decision for Nintendo.
>>338074116
The changed bosses were dumb and gimmicky.
>>338072708
The lighting in the bottom picture is terrible.
Why are people pretending that not being able to see shit improves the atmosphere?
>>338072708
Link looks cuter in them.
>>338074205
I don't mind changing it but the new design looks like dog shit next to the elegant and nice shape of the original.
>>338074552
I agree with that.
Giving them each a "do not press" button to make it obvious how to hit them just made them all seem less impressive as enemies.
>>338073576
The animation looks worse than if they simply tweaned the old one( or added interpolation to the engine.
This has to do with animation quality not being ties to frame rate, but how things are timed for impact.
Older 3D didn't have linear interpolation on animation, so they basically used anime style 2D principles to get shit looking good. That's why links arms swing wildly to his sides, to convey momentum.
>>338073964
Pallet nigga. I hate modern art because it's an attempt to strip framing and color down to their barebones instead of incorperating them into greater whole. This doesn't mean using color, lighting and framing to convey emotion and atmosphere is to be abandoned.
There's no timed text. So that bit where Gannon's laugh is timed to the sound effect (The bit where he's chasing Zelda on horseback) isn't nearly as effective.
>>338074465
Changes in V1.2 (N64):
All the changes that v1.1 made plus....
Ganondorf's and Ganon's blood have been changed from red to green
The Fire Temple theme song has been replaced with a remix of the Shadow Temple's theme
Various text-box spelling and punctuation errors have been corrected
Early eyeball frog and various collection delays have been fixed
You can no longer skip the Bongo-Bongo cutscene by dropping a bomb down before the fight
NTSC 1.2 (GCN/VC)
source: http://www.zeldaspeedruns.com/oot/generalknowledge/version-differences
And an image too.
>>338073894
What?
>>338074321
The 3DS looks overexposed, while the n64 one looks like it's underexposed desu.
>>338074297
yea.
the DS version looks like ass
The running animation in the 3D remakes doesn't look right. Looks like Link's putting a lot of effort into moving when he isn't even going that fast.
>>338074465
>all versions of the game were created at the same time but some were released later
So you're saying they made more versions with green blood.
>>338074775
some copies were earlier versions of the game but they didn't change anything after it was released
>>338074205
>>338074602
Why have they changed the mirror shield? Religion shit?
>>338073964
Isn't that fromone if the manyET porn spoofs?
>>338073883
Never played the DS version, does it still have the exact same theme at least?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNhbzNgDFdI
>>338075046
Yes, they did. That's why the blood was changed for version 1.2 of the game.
>>338075052
Yeah, same reason they got rid of the Fire Temple chant.
>>338073610
DELETE THIS
I welcome the idea of a remake of an old game, always wondered what old games will look like if it had been made today yet theres still that nostalgia goggles that has me liking the old version more..
>>338075118
yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPlZaYe_g-w
have to say they could have done a better job with modern bowser stomping
it looks retarded
>>338075218
no dude
>>338072708
>>338074592
The darker lighting definitely conveys the atmosphere 100x better, top looks like there's no fuckin shading at all
give me top textures with bottom lighting for $100 alec. Except maybe links face, that looks weird as fuck on top
>SM64
Solid remake. Not having any means of fluid 360 movement hurt it but those minigames, man
>OoT3D
Absolutely perfect remake from a pure gameplay and faithfulness stance. The lighting and general tone changes are detrimental to some people but I don't think you should let it ruin your enjoyment of the game.
>Starfox 3D
Excellent from what I played though I didn't really spend much time with it.
>WWHD
Thought it was totally unnecessary and didn't buy it.
>ALBW
A great re-imagining of AlttP. It had some flaws and the base game was a somewhat easier than I'd like but I'm happy with all the experimentation the game had. I also consider the paper zelda mechanic to be one of the most well implemented gimmicks in any game I ever played.
>MM3D
Wasn't happy with the changes I heard about before release and didn't buy it
>TPHD
Thought it was totally unnecessary and didn't buy it.
I really want them to do remakes of the DS zeldas, personally. They were great games but far too limited by the DS.
I was thinking that Nintendo is probably going to make a console remake of OoT someday.
>>338073259
Not really. SM64DS added way more than OoT3d or Majora's mask 3D
>>338073883
>Most models are vastly improved over the originals
>Some designs are changed because the old ones didn't fit the aesthetic, so they made new ones that look more like they fit
>But my nostalgia!
>>338075118
yea, but they removed an extra bounce sound when the final star drops and bounces
>>338075538
yeah maybe in 50 years when all of the original nintendo is dead
>tfw you have the v1.0 gray cartridge of OOT
>>338075768
Maybe they won't do becauseit would require way more effort than a handheld remake since the 3DS is way closer to the N64 hardware capabilities than the NX will be, or whatever is next after the NX. I guess they would have to create everything again.
>>338075965
that's easier than making a whole new game on par with oot though
Did they ever change the way the Moon looked from the initial MM 3DS trailers?
It was the one thing that stood out as a terrible aesthetic decision to me
>>338075428
>anon provides sources for his claim, and even has the exact image you tried to use
>lol nah dude you're wrong
Not even him, but jesus christ.
>>338075918
Same. I actually sold it to a friend once, until I realized every other version doesn't have the muslim chanting or the symbols. Now I have that, the gamecube version with master quest and the 3DS version.
Butchered art direction and style.
I don't care if Link looks more close to his concept art, my Link has a nose that will poke your eye out.
>>338074205
>tfw you have the original version
So much better.
>>338073883
>>338075673
I don't think it's nostalgia, the old designs have more "edge" to them, for the lack of a better word. I'll agree with what someone said about old times Nintendo tried to do more crazy shit, just look at how the bloody miniboss of Zelda was changed into something more safe, everything about Nintendo nowadays screams safe with cookies and milk. Nintendo has lost some of its cool designs to make them 200% inoffensive. Like the Skyward Sword boss that looks like a reject from Monsters Inc.
It's the NSMB school of design.
>>338076216
They just slapped in Hyrule Warriors' moon, which looks dumber thanks to the huge snozz.
>>338076668
>>338076668
Did they ever explain why the moon had a face to begin with?
>>338076668
>Right looks like a nervous fat kid with serious pizza face
>Left looks like a seriously stressed fucker about to crash and burn
Y-yeah right is clearly superior guys!
>>338076668
looks like a goblin face now
>>338074116
I liked it, but I found that the altered controls for the Deku Scrub and Zora really got on my nerves. The spin was nerfed to hell and back and the Zora requiring magic to go fast was just a bad plan.
frame rate alone makes the 3DS version of OOT much better than original.
>>338076217
you're just wrong though
>>338075918
It's Cool Guy!
>>338076668
I liked the remakes moon alot more
>>338075918
>tfw you have a v1.0 gold version
>>338075494
Starfox 3D was a fucking great remake. Being able to select an individual stage to play through was awesome. It sucked how it started you out with the bare minimum, though.
>>338076668
>>338076785
If they shrunk the eyes and nose on the new moon a bit, it would look better.
>>338076668
i'm sure little kids will still find the new one scary
I prefer the 3ds versions simply because N64 emulation continues the tradition of being inaccurate dogshit, and I can't stand the 64 controllerdespite owning the console
>>338077190
>Starfox 3D was a fucking great remake
Too bad they botched the music and voice acting.
>Andross pops up laughing maniacally
>ha ha ha...
>>338076668
Ah bummer. I much preferred the original moon. Something about the facial features looking less exaggerated
>>338077295
I thought they got all the old voice actors back though.
>>338075918
>Your parents sold it in a garage sale
just fuck my shit up
Are they rare and expensive now?
>>338076602
That's such a stupid opinion and if you through some miracle have the mental capacity to think of anything other than how best to eat shit you should feel bad about yourself. It serves no purpose and does absolutely nothing in advancing the thread at all. Your attempt at being clever mirrors your life as a whole in that it utterly fails and will only be viewed with a mix of pity and contempt.
Next time you go to post; next time you go to solve the captcha after rolling your face on the keyboard, do everyone a favor and spare us the displeasure at being subjected to that garbage you call an opinion.
Unless you're contributing to the thread never respond to me again
>>338075052
Butthurt Muslims
As much as I think Christians are faggots, I don't think they objected to the thousands of JRPGs that used churches (complete with cross) as places for revival in villages.
>>338077452
Oh hell, is this new pasta?
>>338076602
this guy gets it
>>338076664
There's nothing "edgy" about the old designs. The dinosaur just looked more poorly put together and generally lacking in details, not to mention it's SUPPOSED to be friendly for fuck's sake so why shouldn't it look friendly. The old Bowser from 64 looked like complete shit. Mario, too. The eel doesn't even look significantly different, they just changed the eyes. The fish was just changed to look more like the enemy it's actually supposed to be.
>>338077558
Christians seem to take shit well, there's plenty of media that vilifies them.
How come muslims never complained about the original OoT? Did they only get electricity in recent years?
>>338077558
No, but they some of them did (and still do) claim Pokemon is satanic, advocates witchcraft, demonic pacts etc
>>338077417
They got some of the old voice actors back.
Jaz Adams, one of the new VAs, did Peppy, Wolf, Pigma, Pepper, Andross, and Bill himself.
Here's both of the Andross scenes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yQD1c0Ebbo&t=4m48s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQKgQc6Ar_w&t=3m10s
hi i'm autistic and i post image comparisons of 30 year old video games on /v/
>>338077774
>How come muslims never complained about the original OoT?
That's when the change happened
>>338077785
I knew people like that, but all they did was stop their kids from playing Pokemon or reading Harry Potter. I'm struggling to think of any Christian group that petitioned for it to be banned in the same way that Muslim groups petitioned Nintendo and got it changed/removed for everyone (not just them).
Capitalism solves this issue so handily, why are there blubbering butthurt people still?
>If you don't like it, don't buy it
>>338075052
Nintendo didn't want to offend Muslims or some shit. Little did they know, they offended me by changing it.
Ocarina of Time 3D is OK I guess.
Majora's Mask 3D is an abomination.
>>338078154
Because
>muh religious obligations
and
>stop liking what I don't like
or both
>>338077820
>that fucking andross laugh in the 3ds version
what the hell
>>338077820
>hahaha
what. the. fuck. they didnt even try. It was good enough until then. jesus wtf
I liked the remake of OoT. The only thing I didn't like was what they did to the final battle by making it broad daylight. Can't really comment on MM since I never really played the original all the way through. I got the remake of it too but quit playing it once again. I just can't like that game for some reason.
>>338078283
>OoT3D gets Master Quest and a boss rush mode
>MM3D gets two fishing holes, more hand-holding, and bosses get changes that don't make them harder, just more tedious
Bravo.
>>338077820
It's important to keep in mind that this is a game about a fox in a spaceship shooting a giant space monkey. It's marketed at children
Try not to get too caught up in the details of something this trivial fampai
>>338078678
>this is a game about a fox in a spaceship shooting a giant space monkey. It's marketed at children
You mean like the original was?
I really dig the new models in OoT3D. Much closer to the concept art. I hope 3DS emulation progresses well enough that I we can play it in 1080p without too many flaws.
>>338073429
I II
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>>338078678
Why do you think children are undeserving of quality?
Why do you think things made for children should not be made in ways that adults can enjoy them too?
Why are you literal cancer?
>>338073757
>>338074205
>>338074775
I'm tired of you purist tryhards who don't know jack about OoT bringing this shit up as a "con" against OoT3D.
None of this comes close to undermining the novelty of having a portable OoT with a rescored soundtrack.
SPEAKING OF WHICH, OoT v 1.0, which you are flaunting around like it's the sanctioned version approved by Jesus Himself, is flawed in that regard.
You cannot heat the unique music-segueing effect of the Lost Woods where it gets louder as you walk the right way, the first time you look for the Forest Meadow; or Inside Ganon's Castle (it's completely muted until you're like three floors up). Maybe Malon's singing too.
You're embarrassing yourself to the real fans and hurting the people who want to be fans, unlike yourselves, you posers.
>>338078678
>but the children
nigger the original 64 game was for children too
>>338078956
>being this dramatic
as if you give a shit about the kids
kids dont give a shit fampai
its just a game, 3 seconds of audio is literally nothing in the grand scheme of life
>>338072708
StarFox 3D and Ocarina of Time 3D are good (I really dislike the Shiekah Stones though)
Majora's Mask 3D has a lot of little changes which make you wonder "Why?"
>>338075118
They change anything but never the OST for some weird reason and reuse the midi-files
>>338078980
I was just informing a guy who didn't know about the blood and showing some of the other changes.
I don't frequent enough Zelda threads to know if this is pasta.
Wind Waker is the best HD remake of all time
>>338079176
>>338078678
How new are you that you're persecuting people for being pedantic about video games on /v/?
>>338073429
You motherfucker
>>338079328
It isn't a remake
>>338079328
God no. All those post processing clutter? Besides, it's just a half-assed port. The best remake of all time isBionic Commando Rearmed.
>>338073610
STOP MAKING ME FEEL OLD FAGGOT
>>338077820
>that shitty andross laugh
>it's so short it doesn't match up with the animation
>>338079328
>approach Windfall
>severe slowdown
No.
>>338077558
I don't get it. A muslim friend of mine wasn't even bothered by it, he even likes the old design more and doesn't even think that it had anything to do with his religion
>>338076664
>It's the NSMB school of design.
Considering Super Mario 64 DS pre-dated New Super Mario Bros...no it isn't you retard.
>>338079330
>muh newness
this is literal "how old are you"-tier arguing fampai
step it up god bless
>>338079328
Best remake I've played personally was FFIV on DS. Rebalances the game for the better, nice 3d for the DS, FMVs, augments and bonus content. Nothing cut or fucked with either.
>>338073576
The animations are running at 40% more frames that's what
>>338079328
>every time a bomb explodes the framerate dips
No.
>>338072708
Link in 3D would've been better if they shrunk the eyes just slightly.
That being said, the darker lighting of the original seems to fit the context of that scene better than the bright one of 3D.
>muh dark edgy lighting
I like the 3ds version better in every way.
>>338079328
First off it's not a remake
2nd off holy fuck it completely botched everything in terms of visuals and performance
3rd, nice bait
>>338079668
Good thing I didn't say NSMB invented it.
OoT 3D is better than the original and Star Fox 64 is fine either way.
MM 3D is worse than the original, though. I'm not sure why I didn't like it as much, but something just felt off. Also, no fucking Master Quest. There were only four dungeons for Christ's sake, would it have really been that much trouble?
>>338082078
Well, all they had to do was port the already existing master quest for OoT, they'd have had to build an entirely new master quest from scratch for MM, so yes?
Super Mario 64 DS might be the worst remake of all time. They utterly watered down everything about the movement and physics that made the original fun and satisfying and turned it into a janky, floaty piece of shit with no feeling of momentum or weight. They ruined the parkour aspect of the game completely. The extra content is boring and feels tacked on. All of the playable characters, including Mario, were just made worse than Mario in the original game so that you're forced to switch between them to accomplish the same tasks you could just do with Mario originally. It's an illusion of content, and you faggots fell for it. The 30 extra stars, most of which don't actually add anything worthwhile to the game, don't make up for any of the things they fucked up.
>>338082979
>being this autistic
all they did is add a fucking run button, you can use the circlepad on the 3ds if you want to bitch about the d-pad. Mario still controls exactly the same.
I swear to god SM64 autists are the worst. None of them play anywhere near speedrunner level but they feel the need to complain about minute physics changes that they aren't even skilled enough to take advantage of.
>>338083696
>you can use the circlepad on the 3ds if you want to bitch about the d-pad. Mario still controls exactly the same.
No, no he doesn't. Using the circle pad doesn't fix shit, the game still only responds to 8 way directions.
>>338083696
>all they did is add a fucking run button
>you can use the circlepad on the 3ds if you want to bitch about the d-pad
>Mario still controls exactly the same.
Imagine being this delusional and imperceptive of game design.
>None of them play anywhere near speedrunner level but they feel the need to complain about minute physics changes that they aren't even skilled enough to take advantage of.
Wanna put your money where your mouth is, faggot? Give me a random task to do in game and I'll record it for you.
Better than the original:
OoT 3D
WW HD
About the same as the original:
TP HD
Tried too hard:
MM 3D
>>338072708
They're all zelda I can play while taking a shit. Can't beat that.
>>338084421
>>338082078
The only arguable cons to MM3D are the boss fights and that the Ice Arrows no longer freeze all water.
You can't tell me it's worse than the original unless you never played it.
>better zora controls
>better goron rolling
>no pausing when you get a gold skulltula
>ability to control time to the hour
>you learn the Song of Soaring right away and the Magic Bean seller's exit now drops you by the shortcut outside the Deku Palace.
>>338084994
>>better zora controls
>>better goron rolling
I just finished it actually and that's bull
>>ability to control time to the hour
Completely kills the flow of time and hurts the story telling.
>>338077558
Funfact: the muslim community didn't care. Nintendo changed it because they thought they MIGHT be approached about it.
>>338077452
>>338073964
To be fair, I'm upset that they changed the spiritual stones from fine-cut gems into bouncyballs.
>>338085141
The zora controls are 100% better, you must not have a good memory.
Also, not having to wait forever for certain events to happen does not hurt story telling.
>>338084994
My only gripe are the bomber notebook updates that take 10 seconds or more to happen
For MM3d:
Good:
>Much better models and textures, and improved lighting/particles that with 1 exception preserve the atmosphere and for the most part still feels creepy
>Gyorg fight is better
>Doesn't make you rewatch the business scrub cutscene
>Better framerate
>Song of double time allowing you to choose specific times to fast foward to.
>Gyro arrow controls
>Fishing
>if you have a n3ds/xl, you have camera rotation/control via c nub
Neutral:
>The bombers notebook is a little less obtuse and more organic to use, but it's also a little too helpful.
>Likewise, the save system is less obtuse, but allowing you to save without it being attached to going back in timee also removes some of the stress the game is meant to invoke, but you can impose thee limit artificially anyways.
>Twinmold fight is different but not better or worse
>Bank placement is moved
Bad
>Odolwa fight was made very easy, especially with the deku mask.
>Ice arrows can't be used just anywhere anymore.
>Zora swimming less fun, which outweighs the benefit of easier control in tight spaces.
>Bombers notebook pops up automatically and takes a while to do so, is annoying
>You have to get out of rolling as goron to hit Goht, but this isn't nearrly as bad as Odolwa's change
>It's harder to use the Deku spin to go faster (super minor)
>Great bay temple's atmosphere is changed due to less gritty textures and brighter lighting
>Feels very slightly less creepy due to better models. I'm a pretentious 2deep5u majora's mask fan and I still think it's only barely almost negligibly worse., except for the moon, maybe.
Overall, it's about on par with the original, with most of the good chanages canceling out the bad ones and vis versa.
>>338085141
>Completely kills the flow of time and hurts the story telling.
Not him, but how so? If you really want to WAITING, you can just set the time to 6 like was mandatory in the original.
>>338085418
>The zora controls are 100% better, you must not have a good memory.
There's nothing to remember aside from the fact that I now needed to hold R and drink Chateau Romani before doing any section with the Zora mask
>Also, not having to wait forever for certain events to happen does not hurt story telling.
When the theme of the whole game is creating a world that feels like it's moving in real time the ability to shift time at will destroys it.
>>338084321
>imagine being this delusional and imperceptive to game design
So no actual response then?
>I-I'm a speedrunner too, just you watch
Ok do bob Omb battlefield with 1.5 a presses if you want to complain about such minute shit and not defend it.
>>338082979
>more content is bad
test
>>338085545
>>Twinmold fight is different but not better or worse
It was fucking garbage
>>338085556
>Not him, but how so? If you really want to WAITING, you can just set the time to 6 like was mandatory in the original.
It's not the same when you have to force yourself to do it. Being forced to wait created a tension and payoff.
>>338085632
You already could, now I just don't have to wait from 8 am to fucking midnight. When there's nothing else to do but a side quest or majoras mask battle, waiting afk for the event is shit design.
Most side quests make you wait a for npcs after the hour anyway, you still see them going about their day at different times for different quests. There is no removal from the experience besides the negatives.
>>338073883
The DS had a really shit time dealing with multiple light sources, which is likely why the bowser fight looks so different.
>>338085903
>You already could, now I just don't have to wait from 8 am to fucking midnight. When there's nothing else to do but a side quest or majoras mask battle, waiting afk for the event is shit design.
MM is full of shit design with or without that. The atmosphere is all it has going for it and I feel the new song of double time cheapened the experience no matter how you try to justify it.
>>338085675
>So no actual response then?
I already stated what was wrong with the game. Your only counter claim was that they changed less than they actually did, which I can prove is untrue by doing things in SM64 that are literally impossible to do in SM64DS.
>Ok do bob Omb battlefield with 1.5 a presses if you want to complain about such minute shit and not defend it.
The A press challenges you're referring to are TAS only and not possible by humans. Try again, fucktard. Give me a short task to do in game. I'll make a video, then you do can attempt to do the same thing in SM64DS. The game plays "exactly the same" so it should be no problem, right?
>>338085545
> I still think it's only barely almost negligibly worse
MM3D is clearly better than the original.
>>338085787
>It's not the same when you have to force yourself to do it. Being forced to wait created a tension and payoff.
I can understand the feeling, but in reality you're just waiting. It's just more convenient.
>>338085632
>>Also, not having to wait forever for certain events to happen does not hurt story telling.
The zora boosting still works even when you're out of magic.
You couldn't sink and rise as fast (or rise to the surface, period, except slowly), or swim naturally, or stay in place and let the water carry you around in the original game.
>>338072708
>Gloomy, uncertain atmosphere of a scene completely shat on
gay
>>338085545
Odolwa was already easy as fuck. No Zelda boss is hard, at least it incorporates the mask now.
>>338085787
>twinmold is garbage
Yeah turning into a giant and just spamming attack was epic.
>>338085545
Well, the save system creating a sense of stress was mostly on accident.
There were just so many variable a mid-game save would have to keep track of there'd be no room for multiple save slots of that on an N64 cart.
That's why the interrupt save added to the North American version comes at the cost of one of the save game slots.
>>338086109
>which I can prove is untrue by doing things in SM64 that are literally impossible to do in SM64DS.
Like what? Tell me or show me because 90% of people who didn't like the remake this game complained about other things like redesigns.
>>338086158
>I can understand the feeling, but in reality you're just waiting. It's just more convenient.
MM isn't supposed to be convenient
>>338086191
>The zora boosting still works even when you're out of magic.
Briefly. There was no excuse to make default swimming so slow
>>338086312
>Yeah turning into a giant and just spamming attack was epic.
That's what I did in the original except they took my sword for no good reason
>>338086072
So you already think it's shit and that somehow being able to not stand bored for ingame minutes is a negative to that extent. You're not even a fan.
>>338085787
>It was fucking garbage
Some people like the change, some people don't. That's why it's neutral, it's not really objectivily better or worse.
>>338086312
It make it litterally braindead easy though. You can easily go through the whole fight without getting hit once with him not even moving if you use the mask.
In the oirignal, it COULD be easy, but it could also be hard due to it just being a straight up fucking fight instead of having a set pattern you could follow.
Wait... are you guys seriously arguing over video games? What?
>>338086542
Negative day here?
>>338086459
>Yeah turning into a giant and just spamming attack was epic.
>That's what I did in the original except they took my sword for no good reason
That was sarcasm.
>>338074205
Islam strikes again.
>>338086460
>You're not even a fan.
I'm a fan of the writing and atmosphere. Anyone who actually thinks MM stands out for its gameplay is fucking delusional.
I dislike how they changed bosses in Majora's Mask
Didn't even want to find out if they made the fish dude less of a pain to deal with or not, sudowoodo fight disappointed me so much visually.
>>338086589
Sorry, my sarcasm detector isn't working at the moment
>>338086618
He forces you into an all water fight halfway, making it impossible to solo with the Fierce Deity Mask.
>>338086596
I'm a fan of writing and atmosphere that is earned. Waiting is not.
>>338086395
>Like what?
Moving fast, for example. You can't do a dustless rollout on the same frame you touch the floor to maintain your speed. Wallkicks don't correspond with the angle you contact the wall or the frame you hit A on, nor do they maintain your approach momentum. You can see an example of both of these things in the video I posted. Both the fast roll off of the platform onto the spider and the wallkicks at the end are things you cannot do in SM64DS.
>>338086459
>Briefly.
What do you mean briefly?You can keep using it just like in MM.
>There was no excuse to make default swimming so slow
You mean the default swimming that doesn't exist in original MM?
This is your last (you).
>>338086596
Gameplay, dungeons and world building as usual.
The atmosphere goes almost entirely unchanged, you just decided that it did so you could complain about the new version.
>>338086618
Gyorg is actually more interesting to fight in the 3ds version
Original OoT was dark and gloomy with some dark fantasy strokes on it
Nintendo goes its way to wash it up for children
It's not ok
>>338086809
To add to this, you can't even angle Mario in the same way that you can angle him in that video because SM64DS is limited to 8 directions. You would have to stop, adjust the camera to correspond to one of the 8 directions, and then continue, as opposed to just pointing in the joystick in the specific direction you want to move Mario in.
>>338086895
>dark and gloomy
Yeah during the dark and gloomy parts? You people constantly post pictures of the childhood part WHERE EVERYTHING IS HAPPY AND COLORFUL. Then bitch that it has updated visuals. You are mistaking outdated graphics for an intended visual style.
>>338072708
Amazing how lighting can totally change the feeling form that one segment.
>>338075328
Who this?
>>338086756
But when the game's story is built around time the concept of waiting does become part of the atmosphere
Why do you think people were so amazed by the movie "Boyhood"?
>>338086824
MM's dungeons are the fewest and the weakest in the series and the general gameplay is filled with needless bullshit like Zora eggs. The best thing about MM's gameplay are the minigames
>The atmosphere goes almost entirely unchanged, you just decided that it did so you could complain about the new version.
The atmosphere is purely decided in the reaction it gets from the player. If the changes do lend me to feel the sense of tension has been lost there's no bringing it back.
>>338087076
>I-ITS INTENTIONALLY SHIT
Sasuga Nintendrone.
>>338087076
>Bliblbi blbilbi blbi blllbiblbiblbibli
This is you
>>338086895
>>338086242
>dark and gloomy
The tone of that scene was neither
More bittersweet than anything
>>338087179
>But when the game's story is built around time the concept of waiting
Which it isn't.
>Boyhood
They liked it because it was high-concept.
>>338086895
The 3D effect makes things look a bit darker, and doesn't work very well on dark colors, so 3DS games have to be brighter to compensate.
>>338086809
So it's minute shit then? If you like SM64 more than SM64DS that's one thing, but I don't see how that makes it the worst remake of all time or that they utterly watered down everything about the movement.
99% of the people who ever played either these games cannot tell the difference
>>338087319
Yeah its still shit.
>>338072708
ocarina of time 3d is fucking amazing, and one of the best remakes released this generation. majoras mask 3d is fucking shit with the only thing carried over from oot3d being the stupid sheikah stone for babbys and retards, which is even more insulting since we had to beg nintendo to make the damn game in the first place. twilight princess hd and wind waker hd aren't bad, but I personally don't think they did enough to warrant a second release
>>338087332
true there i got my sm64 for free i never payed a dime pirated it on emulator XD
wonder when Nintendo will stop poring shit out their asses
>>338087179
You're playing a game you've played before, many times. What sense of tension is there anymore?
The dungeons aren't weak at all, each dungeon has a strong gimmick and interesting, multi layered layout with many rooms having multiple purposes but no real need to backtrack.
On top of that there's fairys in each one.
Zora eggs are your complaint? If you've done it once it should take 30 minutes. Also it's one of those side quests you praise and has one of the more touching and tragic stories but I guess you don't care about the writing that much after all.
The music sets the atmosphere of each zone more than waiting 6 hours for a merchant to finally enter a hotel ever will.
>>338072708
They fucked up the lighting
>>338087317
>Which it isn't
There's constantly a clock on the bottom of the screen reminding you that it is. The Song of Double Time in the original functioned that way it did because that's how it was meant to be.
It's just that, without Koizumi, Aonuma is clueless on what made MM good which is why he ruined the boss fights with his eyeball obsession
>>338087420
>majoras mask 3d is fucking shit with the only thing carried over from oot3d being the stupid sheikah stone for babbys and retards
MM3D has several times as many changes as OoT3D with a lot of them being shared QoL improvements
Try looking this shit up before you seriously claim WWHD and TPHD are better than it
>>338073883
>shitting on mario 64 ds
eat my dick faggot, that game was fucking amazing and 100x better than the original.
Heart Gold and Soul Silver are the best nintendo remakes.
>>338087573
>The dungeons aren't weak at all, each dungeon has a strong gimmick and interesting, multi layered layout with many rooms having multiple purposes but no real need to backtrack.
They're short and forgettable. The only interesting gimmick is Stone Tower's which isn't used as well as it could've been
>>338087454
>n64 """emulation"""
>thinking you really played the game
poorfags everyone
>>338087202
>>338087225
Good answer!
GOOD ANSWER
Epic xD
>>338087670
Game Freak, actually.
>>338087454
what are you even saying man?
>>338087670
>>338079721
These are remakes, thread. The shit you guys are discussing is essentially a remaster
>>338087670
If only they fixed the awful Johto level scaling and spotty wild pokemon distribution(they kinda did with Pokewalker but it would have been nice to have it in-route) it could have been the best Pokemon game
>>338087686
Short and forgettable compared to? Your shit opinions don't make what you say true. Stone tower is probably the most annoying or least used. You do it once, maybe twice? And have to backtrack for it. Why is that okay to you?
>>338087856
Do you eat shit?
>>338087454
>emulating n64
I bet you gloat about playing SNES games on ZSNES and download from CoolROM too, faggot
>>338087862
I still like it best, I think it has some of the best starters, lots of content, and is just a great game.
Why the fuck did they never ever let pokemon walk alongside you ever again? That shit was the best.
>>338073610
>>338087856
Are you fucking retarded? A remaster is just porting something to superior hardware and slightly upping the resolution or framerate, HG/SS are 100% remade.
>>338087856
Remake or remaster, there is barely a difference. Stop splitting hairs for the sake of disliking FF and Pokemon you worm.
Im sure you would say REmake is a remake but you could easily just say it's a remaster.
>>338088016
I prefer emuparadise senpai.
>>338087950
>Short and forgettable compared to?
Other 3D Zelda dungeons. I feel like I spent less time in them compared to something like OoT's forest Temple, WW's tower of the gods, or TP's Snowpeak ruins
>>338088134
>>338088170
>>338087959
Oh shit, no guys I meant FF4 and HG/SS ARE proper remakes, and these Zelda games are mostly remasters. worded that poorly, whoops
>>338088032
Definitely in my top 3-4, I just like BW2 more because of the better balance and equal side content
>>338088396
All good man.
>>338087332
>So it's minute shit then?
I'll concede that most people don't care about the game beyond "ooh look i collected the pretty star" so you're right that these changes won't matter to most people. However, these changes do matter to anyone who plays the game at more than a superficial level, and the "minute shit" you're referring to are the reasons these people are passionate about the game in the first place, as most games don't have anywhere near the movement depth the original SM64 has.
>>338074116
It's not.
>>338088186
Enjoy your shitty dumps friend
>>338088218
You did because the whole games on a fucking clock, you're always feeling rushed. That doesn't mean you don't remember the poison filled swamp, the ice tower rolling as a goron, water puzzles as a zora, flipping the dungeon around as link or the final trials on the moon.
Length/quanity=/=quality
WW has great dungeons, OoT has a lot of great dungeons but most of TPs are shit and so are Skywards.
>>338088414
I've never played BW2, I disregarded it at launch because I felt like it was rehash and I haven't ever gotten around to it since.
I need to buy it to transfer my HG/SS mons to Sun/Moon, so I'll get on it soon.
>>338088186
this guy gets it
>>338075918
COOL GUYYYYY!
>>338074465
That's not even true. I can confirm that there is n64 versions with green blood, I have a gold cart where Ganon does in fact bleed green.
>>338088560
>water puzzles as a zora
I remember them like I remember a bad cold
>Length/quanity=/=quality
Nothing about them really impressed me.
>most of TPs are shit
What? How?
I have no problem with remakes if they're done with care and attentnion.
REmake gave us the gold standard of remakes over a decade ago. There is no reason not to aim for that bar they set.
I loved the 3D remakes
>fight with twinmold takes forever
>>338073883
>0
>All rainbow lighting removed from the remake
SO LONG GAY BOWSER
>>338072708
Ocarina of Time 3D isn't a remake, it's a port.
>>338088792
>Forest dungeon
Pretty standard, nice boomerang, good start
>Fire dungeon
Every other fire dungeon but with shitty, slow magnetic track parts that didn't even have you aim upside down or something
>Water dungeon
Standard boring water dungeon, not challenging but at least not annoying
>Arbiter's
Probably my favorite, after the second half and favorite boss
>Snowpeak
Probably the only 10/10 dungeon in the game
>Temple of time
Somehow more of a chore than the tower in WW, before the HD made recasting the song faster
>City in the sky
Wow what a chore, getting there is a chore, killing the boss is a chore
>Palace
Feels half finished
>Hyrule castle
Feels small and not very fleshed out compared to previous finales but the final boss is pretty great
That and the rest of the game is a retread of OoT making it feel less worth replaying than say, OoT. I'd rather do the spirit temple just once.
>>338077558
It's because Christ-fags aren't still mentally in the bronze age. Moslems never adapted to a civilized, western society.
>>338088962
lol the context was perfect
however i think its gay they removed the rainbow lighting, it did make that fight different. it'd probably look a lot better on the better bowser model
>>338073883
>faggot kids being afraid of Dorrie
>not being fucking stoked that a dinosaur is swimming in the water
My brother & I called it Lapras desu.Good times ;_;
>>338089863
Except to follow religion as a literal thing instead of a philosophy is dark age retarded thinking and they're all still there.
>>338087862
Any opportunity to shill for drayano's excellent romhacks. Please play Sacred Gold at your earliest convince. It's a tougher, more polished version of Heart Gold and it's one of my favorite games of all time.
>>338075106
But of course
>>338076860
I don't remember it being mentioned in the game itself, but apparently it never had a face until Skull Kid fucked everything up.
>>338090526
>>338090272
>>338072708
Extremely lazy and overpriced.
Either enhance the port and offer it a discount price or do a full on rebuilding if you are going to charge full or near full price.
They are ripoffs, but people keep buying them so they keep making them and overcharging for them since there is no audible complaint from fans.
Suckers are what you guys who buy these are.
>>338073685
It's not about the quality of the screen, but the size.
You don't really want to play a dimly lit game on a small handheld that you're expected to play on outside, do you?
>>338090714
>>338090717
Suckers you say? Maybe I just want to enjoy games from my youth without hunting all the necessary components to play it? Maybe I enjoy playing these classics on the go and not only on a T.V? The only suckers are the dumb shits who buy the games brand new, get that shit 2nd hand for half the price.
>>338086072
>The atmosphere is all it has going for it
Really, you double nigger?
The masks were pretty good with their own movesets, plus with the zora mask, MM is one of the few games where swimming is satisfying and not a slog
>>338077090
COOOOOOL GGUUUUUUUUUUUYYYYYY
