Alright gentlemen how do we fix Doom's multiplayer?
Acknowledge you're terrible with money, install Eldewrito and wait for Anvil
>>338034665
Remove it from the game
Sell game at reduced price
>>338034665
Reduce super shotgun max damage to 55 at a VERY close range. There, fixed it.
Remove it, never let halo devs make another game on PC.
let the map designer choose to use weapon pickups rather than just the designated loadout options.
>>338034665
The only thing Certain Affinity did right was Forge. They always fuck up competitive wise. Wish they hadn't worked on Doom and just stuck to Halo.
nerf the minigun, make all demon related splash damage smaller, lower baron HP and make the general TTK higher.
voila, the game is no longer complete shit.
Make readability better, right now its impossible to tell who has 101 hp and who has 200 hp
Also, remove these fucking retarded temp buffs, goddamn
>>338034665
Remove it and focus on co-op instead.
Remove the ability to see outlines through walls, with the exception of flag carriers. Add capture the flag.
make the RL not shit
make the SSG not shit
>>338034665
Looks like XCOM 2 armor mod
The mp is shit but I love it
>>338034665
you would need to redesign the whole thing
it's completely fucked
>>338035587
There's a workaround for this, you can assign a player input action to change the player's loadout, so on the user interact 1 action you assign loadout one, which is the shotgun and super shotgun, user interact 2 you put the chaingun and HMG and on say the equipment key you put the rocket launcher and plasma gun.
The player can effectively use 6 weapons at once now.
>>338036440
wonderful
>>338035759
Baron doesn't really have that high HP though. His face and his WHOLE BACK are vulnerable spots and you can easily outgun him, even alone. This is especially true when you're on an elevated position.
I agree with your other points though.
Remove the numbers
>>338038406
you can on the options
bump
>>338034889
wait for anvil? is that a major update? I just installed it yesterday, been having a hell of a time.
>>338034665
Remove loadouts.
Remove hack modules
Remove demon rune
Rebalance the weapons and maps to accommodate weapon spawns
>>338039719
This + remove 90 second intermission
>>338034665
You boot up UT4
Is there a horde mode or something where you and some friends can fight waves and waves of demons to see how long you can stay alive?
There's too much wrong with it
Never thought the loadouts were a major problem until i played it recently and man, that shit sucks.
Basically makes it a grindfest. No weapons scattered makes it meh.
Snapmap also has incredible possibilities gimped with the gameplay of the MP. I mean what the fuck man, the campaign and the MP don't even play the same.
You have these cool things in campaign that aren't in snapmap, mainly, you can only use 2 weapons in a custom map at any given time.
Freeze Tag is fine.
Classic mode wherein, maps ammo with normal weapon pickups and power weapon timers are visible to everyone.
Add a horde mode with loadouts.
BRawl Free for all with no loadouts, and each time you spawn with a different weapon. Also have a traditional Free for all mode.
Berserk Mode: This is TDM with boosted Speed, Weapon pickups, Faster Glory Kills, and power weapon spawn timers.
Do this and it will be a very complete game.
>>338035475
/thread
>>338034665
Make the air control from the upgraded rune the default double jump.
Return the weapons to the way they functioned in story mode (tighten spread on the shottys, RL doesn't suck, etc.)
Weapon pickups are a thing again, maybe let the player choose to start with one of three of the shittier guns if you really want to keep loadouts.
Fix the godawful netcode.
Make CTF a default mode.
Hack modules require you to do an action in the game to activate them such as getting a triple kill or killing a demon. Only provide out of combat bonuses (like the bounty hunter card does now where if you kill the top enemy you get tons of bonus xp).
Decrease demon spawn damage reduction for everything but the revenant. Also getting a kill as the demon only gives one soul in soul capture instead of two.
Put in load spawn notifications for powerups just like there already are for demon runes.
better knockback on rockets.
I think the demons could also use less damage but more HP across the board so they aren't just a "give little timmy a kill" feature and you can actually fight them off. Kinda pisses me off when the revenant flies up to me,
>>338041135
How does having Loadouts inherently make a game bad?
>>338036440
>challenges, xp
Does this game have a level-up class system? Or is it just cosmetics?
>>338034889
>some sort of putrid abortion of Halo MP with coherency thrown out of the window
>dead as fuck
>level design feels like it was made for a compeltely different game
>no forge
>No controller support and game feel is terrible with M+KB
>art direction and general aesthetic even worse than Halo 4
>did I already mention how it's fucking dead?
PCucks wanted Halo 3 so bad they convinced themselves they did it, but even Halo 4 MP is better than this, and everyone knows how fucking trash Halo 4 is.
>Snapmap looks cool and easy to get into
>Let's see what it's in there for me, i want to make an awesome map with puzzle solving
>What the fuck, only two weapons at the same time? makes no fucking sense
>What the fuck there's no pistol in the Snapmap mode
>What the fuck one of the alternate modes for the weapons isn't there
>Oh what the fuck you can't really customize the rooms, albeit tiny little things or get creative with boxes emplacement
>The fuck why aren't there the campaign grenades in here
>Only one type/model of control panel? the campaign terminals aren't here
>No hellish looking rooms?
>What can I even do in here?
>What the FUCK THE BUTTONS AREN'T EVEN THE SAME ACTIONS AS THE CAMPAIGN
That's basically Snapmap. Some shitty minigames can be programmed but full fledged DOOMlike maps can't be done properly
Either they start injecting content to it ASAP or it's goign to be ded in months. I believe thisis what's going to happen, they will kill it and wait for the inevitable sequel when the initial earnings are done.
>increase movement speed
>use single player weapons and stats
>no kill moves
>weapon spawning in maps, accompanied by 100% new maps
>no demons
Just redesign the entire thing from scratch, essentially
>>338041550
If you don't already know then you're too young to even understand *anything* about why 90% of shooters from the last decade suck dick
>>338041938
>Implying any of these things
>atleast 3 servers are full usually
>same maps as halo 3
>plenty of people play with controllers
>not using superior mouse and keyboard
>get mods to make the armor look like halo 3
>there is forge, infection and even custom games
Get fucked you misinformed faggot
>>338040982
Yes
>>338042451
>atleast 3 servers are full usually
woaw 3 servers, that's totally far from dead!
>same maps as halo 3
Nope, the scaling is very different because the game was made with sprint in mind, but as a PCuck you probably don't notice how everything is off
>plenty of people play with controllers
that's just your words against mine until you provide proof
>not using superior mouse and keyboard
>playing Halo with M+KB
kill yourself, you probably miss the point of Halo just like the people who made this crap
>get mods to make the armor look like halo 3
how is one armor being in the game related to general aesthetic and art direction? Do you even know what you're talking about retard?
>there is forge, infection and even custom games
Not when I played
>>338041938
For me in the US EST, after 5 there's like 7 active servers, 3 of them being full. They retain many of the classic halo 3 maps and are played the most, sure there's ugly af halo 4 skins but the game generally speaking has the halo feel to it, and there is controller support. There is also forge, custom games. You should check it out, it's not bad.
B... but i really like it....
>>338041893
Only cosmetics and ebin emotes.
>>338041938
ALso here's the game at 11:07 AM EST
Fix the audio, someone can be right behind me firing a super shotgun into my asshole and I can't hear it.
>>338034665
Just remove it from the gave, take it outback, shoot it in the head, throw it in a ditch and never speak of it ever again. Nobody ever asked for it anyways.
>>338042803
>woaw 3 servers, that's totally far from dead!
Yea, because this totally underground game should have people swarming it by the thousands
>Nope, the scaling is very different because the game was made with sprint in mind, but as a PCuck you probably don't notice how everything is off
Lol wat
>that's just your words against mine until you provide proof
Install the game and try it? Or go on the subreddit and notice how many people post clips of them using controllers
>kill yourself, you probably miss the point of Halo just like the people who made this crap
MUH-MUH XBOX EXCLUSIVE!! YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE POINT!
>how is one armor being in the game related to general aesthetic and art direction? Do you even know what you're talking about retard?
Literally most guns are from halo 4, everything else is from halo 3. UI isn't total shit. Wtf art direction are you talking about.
>Not when I played
You haven't played in a long time
add co-op?
>>338043646
Also,
>implying I didn't play halo 3, odst, reach and 4 and even bought a copy of CE to play on the 360
more memes
you literally can't fix it without redoing the entire thing. it was outsourced and that's the end of it.
it's like a shitty port, a shitty port will always be bad because it's bad from the ground up.
nothing will fix doom's multiplayer.
>>338043646
Hes right about sprint, the maps are not designed with it in mind. It really unbalances the whole game
>>338034665
Removing the hack modules would be a great start. That, or just make every back module cosmetic (i.e. they affect your EXP instead of the actual gameplay).
Demons need to be nerfed, they are a fucking joke. I can kill a shitton of players with the Baron's Melee attack alone, and Revenants can one-shot anyone who doesn't have full health and armor.
Chaingun needs to be nerfed into the fucking ground, you're basically a Scout with the Heavy's minigun.
>>338034665
Remove loadout and 2 weapon limit, put weapon spawns on map and allow carrying all weapons
This also applies to Snapmap; there is no god damn reason that should be 2 weapon limited
>>338042209
You forgot
>12 monster spawn limit
Nerf chain gun damage a little bit, increase SSG effective range, increase movement speed slightly. Give users actual mod tools.
I think asking the devs to force the game to emulate classic doom perfectly with fancy graphics would only result in something worse than what we've gotten. With mod tools other people could make classic modes and custom maps to suit those modes. Without proper mod tools this game will never be what classic doom is today.
campaign coop/dm would be fun
>>338041893
>>338043170
Items at first, you can level up, prestige, get emotes, armo(u)r parts, colo(u)rs, other cosmetics, emotes...
I like unlocking stuff.
>>338035024
>>338035475
Remove it or pretend it doesn't exist. Play singleplayer and boot up UT4 or some Q3A variation for MP.
Maybe there will be a mod that removes option to launch multiplayer?
>>338044638
They don't want the game to have the longevity of classic doom though.
They want people to try to extend the life of the game through snapmap, realize it's futile, and give up when they put out their next big title.
>>338043646
>going on reddit
stopped reading here
>>338046037
At least on PC, multiplayer is a different engine.
If you choose either that or Snapmap after launching the game in the campaign engine, the game resets and loads the MP engine.
>>338034665
Am I the only one having fun with it?
>>338046283
>At least on PC, multiplayer is a different engine.
The fuck?
>>338046410
Maybe not a different ENGINE, but MP and Snapmap clearly run on a different build of the game.
It's likely why Snapmap has taunts, hit numbers and the dreaded 2-weapon limit. It shares the same build as the normal multiplayer.
>>338046410
Multiplayer, the campaign and snap map were worked on by different teams on different branches of the game. They never bothered consolidating them properly once they were done, so they're all separate engine versions that require you to restart the game.
>>338046283
Does that on console too.
>>338046221
This is what I'm expecting and it's very disappointing. I doubt they'll even consider any balance changes to the MP.
>>338046916
Last I checked, Bethesda doesn't bother with post-release support in general, especially for titles they just publish.
>>338034665
They should give buffs to some of the loadout weapons(rocket launcher, chain gun, lighting gun, etc) and then make them map pickups only. They should also limit demon pick ups to certain game modes.
That's all really.
>>338036440
>speeding up your webm
fucking marketer
>>338047180
Why does skyrim and shitout get nice fancy mod support.
>>338034665
Have class DM game modes with weapon pick ups, make it faster, more balance on the chain gun/super shotgun, game modes without demon picks up, balance barron.
That covers most of it, its honestly not terrible its just sad that its so generic for a DOOM game.
>>338047798
Because they know elder scrolls/fallout is a skinner box. If they released the next one with no mod support, they'd be committing suicide.
>>338034889
>shit literally plebbit community
>shit hit detection
>shit lag
no thanks
>add air control to double jump
>speed it up slightly more than normal single player speed
>remove loadouts and 2 weapon limit, start everyone with pistol (and remove charge shot from it), and have weapons scattered about the level
>get rid of perk system
>add more powerups
kidnap carmack and make him redo de multiplayer from scratch
>>338048146
Why not just play UT or Quake then?
All they needed to do was make it like an old school multiplayer.
Load outs are garbage.
>>338048264
>liking loadouts and no map weapons
Why not just play Call of Duty or Halo 4 then?
>>338048264
People are playing D44m because they want an old school shooter.
It makes no sense that the multiplayer in this game is trying to be modern.
>>338048553
No, people play D44M because they want an oldschool shooter upgraded to be compatible with modern times.
There's a reason arena shooters are dead. Let them stay dead.
>>338048527
Mate, i played the MP and it was hot garbage. I'm not defending it
>>338047193
sauce breh
>>338048264
Because D44MP could so easily be actually good if it just had those few changes.
>>338048553
>>338048760
From what I've seen talking to people they bought the new doom because they wanted an "old school shooter" but never actually played a single old school shooter. I find it hard to consider that these people just want the old thing refreshed for modern standards, it's clear they just want a modern game and don't give much of a shit about the franchise or the genre.
>>338047298
But the chainsaw speeds you up anon. You're basically sonic on roids willing to rip and tear
>you can customize your appearance
>you don't actually see that in-game
>>338047298
b8? because thats normal speed with high fov
Is the multiplayer worse than how it was in the beta? I kinda liked it there
>>338034665
FREE QUAKE 5 ARENA BETA ACCESS WITH EACH COPY OF DOOM 2016 OR WOLFENSTEIN: THE NEW ORDER 2
>>338049398
>>338049563
look at the explosion at the end of the webm, look at the herky-jerky way the other players move
the webm is sped up, no denying it
>>338049645
I haven't noticed any differences between the beta and the final game.
At the very least there could have been a couple weapon balances, but again I haven't seen any big changes.
>could have made a neat Halo clone with everyone starting with the same weapons, rest of the weapons being semi/full power weapons, back to the basic game modes like CTF or KotH
>it would be like that, but faster with DOOM stuff
Would have been cool, but they made it a shitty CoD kinda clone.
>>338049398
But famalam, this is the sped up version I used for twatter because of the time limite
>>338051671
why would you want to make a halo clone?
we have halo for that, and halo is shiti know you're just baiting for "but its not cod!!" replies
>>338051938
Meant to quote>>338050924
>>338051985
Not at all. Halo (before Reach) is perfection.
Please, take your wife's son and your shitty taste elsewhere?
>>338052230
you need to be over 18 to post in 4chan
>>338052559
I think you meant to tell yourself that.
I'm 25, m8.
>>338052878
Calm down mate were all mates here
Here i fixed the game for youhttps://www.quakelive.com/
runs better, and its 100000 times more fun.
These morons literally had the answer sheet and they succeeded making the shittiest arena shooter MP game ever. Single player was so much fun and feels 100 times better than MP. How does it suck so bad? How? Everything about it is shit. Fuck you. For real Fuck you.
>>338041350
Agreed on all accounts. Loadouts should only be for horde modes.
I do think they need to allow rocket jumping but the double jump already makes you fucking mobile as shit.
Fix up snap map mode too, feels lacking with only one map flavor, lack of props, 12 demon limit and being restricted to multiplayer 2 weapon limits.
>>338052230
>Halo (before Reach) is perfection
Halo, in all its iterations, was the beginning of casualization in FPS which lead to the shitty state we have today. Fuck off, millennial faggot.
>>338041938
>No controller support and game feel is terrible with M+KB
Don't listen to anything this retard says. I've been playing it with bumper jumper the entire time. It's not dead either. Every day there's multiple full servers. It's a free fucking mod of an alpha. It doesn't even feel buggy or anything. Plays better than Halo on Xbox.
Take out demons
Fix matchmaking
Add FFA
Less guns for load outs and more weapon pickups/no load outs all weapon puckups
I fixed it
>>338034665
>get rid of all the "us dudebros xD" bullshit
>get rid of the loadouts
>make weapons more lethal
>make the speed boost the standard speed
>remove glory kills from multiplayer
>>338044098
No server out of the 4 I play has sprint enabled. I'm North American though.
>>338043170
This is hilarious
>>338034665
buff the rocket launcher, it does patheticly low damage even on direct hits
>>338036440
Pretty much this. It's one big mess but I keep having a blast playing it
>>338041280
Also if I may add a suggestion to your suggestion, in said berserk mode, also add air strafing. I honestly feel if the multiplayer now had it it would be a lot better. Too many times I've accidentally jumped over a lava pit like a knob jockey only to realize "shit I can't save myself".
>>338039562
Not entirely sure. It's from the same people. It's supposed to be more easy for them to update and for people to mod. But it's the replacement when it finally comes out.
>>338054437
Nice fix anon, mad coding skills
>90 MANDATORY SECONDS BETWEEN MATCHES ON PC
>90
>N I N E T Y
is this the true console experience ?
>>338056129
What is wrong with that, you screaming autist?
>>338034665
get bethesda to add vac or at least some kind of anit-cheat.they won't
>>338042209
there are some workarounds if you are not bad at searching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJFr-37kiX4 buy yeah it's shit
>get rid of loadouts
>better maps
>more maps
>get rid of season pass community division
done, you now have a decent console arena shooter
>>338039719
To be honest the demon ruins are pretty badass and the rest I agree with.
>>338035298
>i keep getting killed by that freaking super shotgun!
lmaoing at your life. git gud kiddo. crybabies like you are the reason bungie nerfed armor lock in halo reach
>>338034665
make the movement faster and make the rocket launcher not suck.
thats literally it
>>338044117
>Chaingun needs to be nerfed into the fucking ground, you're basically a Scout with the Heavy's minigun.
All it would take to balance Chaingun would be having the alt fire (spin-up) actually reduce your mouselook speed, like it does in the the SP. As it is, it just stays the same, and the spin-up is so fast you can easily spin-up on reaction to an any engagement and just use the weapon normally and with the same aiming agility of the main firing mode.
They can't leave it as it is. It has by far the greatest DPS potential in the game and utterly dominates short to medium range engagements. It just so happens that ~95% of engagements in the MP are close to medium range ones. It's also not even too shabby from long range in a pinch
post yfw the season pass is solely so they can tie it in the game the instant it goes on sale to avoid price drop like gta
>>338058612
I figured out some workarounds but that's not optimal in any way, like fuck
It's not hard to place a spawnpoint and a loadout trigger that has a tiny checkbox that asks for how much inventory space, or an integer of how much weapons you can carry
Shit that's too advanced, how about "You want two weapons or classic unlimited weapons, senpai?"
But the worst is
>No campaign pistol
Fucking really?
>>338059276
the worst is 4 player max limit that has no tricks to avoid it in my opinion
>>338059460
>>338059276
>buying bethesshit
what did you expect? Quality?
>>338059567
thankfully I didn't buy it
>>338048760
>Arena shooters died and he thinks it has to do with inherent merits of design over
>A Current Year Popular Title was released in November 2007 and happened to have a skinner box attached to its MP
>Addicts became attached to the teat of that style of MP
>It's hard to attach a skinner box to and monetize arena shooters so companies endlessly go after the hundreds of millions of addicts with similar design to that particular 2007 title
Keep thinking your model of MP is anything more than an unhappy accident, shitlord.
>>338034665
Remove weapon limit and loadouts, put weapon spawns on the map instead. Increase movement speed by 50%
done.
Snap maps and Denevo are what is going to kill this game.
No ability to actually mod really hurts awesome fps games like this. IDtech 5 is pretty amazing too. Fucking Bethesda Jews.
>>338044391
He didn't forget, you're just an idiot.
>>338034665
We don't. Multiplayer is the cancer ruining gaming. Such a big release having such shitty multiplayer is a godsend.
>>338034665
>Alright gentlemen how do we fix Doom's multiplayer?
Make every death a cinematic death, locking both victim and killer in a 10 second or more animation in which the killer is actually vulnerable to attacks
Reduce movement speed to a walk, sprinting lasts 2 seconds and recharges in 10 seconds
Remove mouse controls, use only WASD and arrow keys, and make settings like the turn sensitivity untouchable
Make the game pausable, literally anyone who hits ESC can pause the game at no cost or consequence
Games last for 2 hours, and you can't leave prior to the time limit without suffering a 72 hour ban to play MP
Only microphone chat allowed, constant global chat
You need to buy guns with real money while in game, and only in game
Lock it to 1280x720, 30 FPS max
>>338041550
You have to play around some games to see why this is bad. I get why you don't see it at first but as an example:
You're playing a deathmatch arena game, think of it as a gladiator, and all of you start with a basic same weapon. In the arena there's scattered different weapons, no weapon more OP than the other, but certainly they are the tools of preference for you and give edge on certain situations
So the map control becomes key with powerups. It's not about killing the other guy, but map dominating and playing mindgames with the enemy. He doesn't know what you're carrying, what ambush could you do, and quick thinking is essential for this. Same as Team Deathmatch, since one of your team can dominate an area and deny the powerups/weapons, and thus, securing frags.
Now, with loadouts on the other hand, you spawn with a rocket launcher. You shoot rockets to the enemy to the chest. You kill them and you die. You respawn with same rocket launcher and start shooting them again until you die. You earn points to level yourself up and buy some clown wig.
>>338059704Wise
I don't understand what's so bad about the multiplayer.
>>338059815
This.
>>338060045
i miss quake 2 and ut99 multiplayer in their prime, back when you were still in your pampers.
>>338060469
goddamn that armor is so american my body jolted upright and i saluted for a whole minute. i had no control over it, it was insane.
>>338060082
>Make every death a cinematic death, locking both victim and killer in a 10 second or more animation in which the killer is actually vulnerable to attacks
I hate glory kills in multiplayer. I just want to melee someone to finish them off when using the super shotgun, but then I get stuck in the animation while the opposing team murders me.
>>338060408
Played it for a bit on PC, here's my impressions
Mouse acceleration turned on by default. Feels and controls like WET SHIT. You can't turn it off from menus, you have to go to a .txt and turn it off and even that can't say if it works for the MP. That's one BAD THING.
Loadouts: They enforce grinding and using the same weapons over and over. Loadouts are a bad choice. Even fucking HALO has weapons scattered around because IT MAKES THE MAP IMPORTANT.
Steam Download Region: If you don't live on the US or Yurop you're not going to find any matches since it only looks on your Steam Download Region, basically region locking the matchmaker. You can change your SDR, but you need to restart. Enjoy the lag too.
Which takes me to
No dedicated servers: Pretty straightforward. No dedicated servers means no community developing by itself.
And some balance issues atop the LOADOUTS.
So much fuck up It's hard to think about the good things. Also MP looks worse than main campaign, too.
I don't see Bethesda fixing anything, you know how's this done.
>>338035759
I can't kill shit with the Chaingun. I get faster kills with one Static Cannon blow and following up with literally anything else. Combat Shotgun is the shit.
>>338060529
UT4 is free and active right now
Like
Go and download it, it's fucking good.
>>338042318
Okay, you're one of those people. How's your virginity coming along?
>>338036440
It's weird. Im having fun playing it even when i know it's shit.
Campaing is spetaculat tho.
>>338034665
1 remove the weapon limit
2 add complex movement to the game
3 rebuild the maps from scratch
am I missing anything?
I feel like everyone criticizing the MP is trying to compare it to Quake III, UT, etc. Stop. Compare it to its contemporaries - the current slew of MP shooters like Blops 3, BF:H, etc etc. It's the best MP shooter in years.
>>338034665
- make mouse right-click make you go back in menus (instead of having to press Esc)
- make multiplayer be launchable form Steam menu before starting game
- make chaingun shots quieter
- remove alarming beeping sound when capturing zones
- add coop
- add a survival/wave mode
>>338062429
thats called buyers remorse
>>338062429
What is that picture supposed to convey?
Because it's wrong in every sense of the game.
Is this an influx of normie artists?reeee?
>>338060146
>talks about pickups bieing somehow good despite actually resulting in people dying more because they can't get out of just having pistol.
>posts Tracer, charater from a game where every character has a fixed load out and everyone knows what abilities everyone has based on character they see.
Remove chain gun. It's a tracking weapon like LG and HAR, but you don't need to track precisely at all and the damage output is just too high considering how little skill it takes to use. It shouldn't even exist, we already have the LG, HAR, and BR
>>338034665
Do we really have to? Can't we just let it suck by itself?
>>338034665
Remove the current version from the game and release a co-op campaign.
Don't know why people even wanted multiplayer anyways. Doom had multiplayer, but it was never about it. Shit, it really wasn't even until Quake 3 that multiplayer death matches really became a thing; it really has no place in Doom.
