>He fell for the "Overwatch has a low skill ceiling" meme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKidALuKSSA
that music should kill itself
>>338026503
>this thread again
well we had it yesterday, for those of you who consider posting here.
please don't.
the video is straight up bait, because it mostly shows Ults being used.
I know you think OP is serious, but he is actually trying to get a reaction out of you.
if you just want to discuss overwatch, feel free to post.
>>338027791
To be fair, apart from the ults there are a couple of nice shots in there.
>>338026503
I love Overwatch but that video shows very little skill.
>He fell for the "There is totally not a viral marketing campaign for Overwatch happening on /v/!" meme
>>338026639
music feels so fucking old school CS Source/COD 4/ TF2 Montages.
fucking linkin park remix.
i wonder if korea is behind in music, or now that they found a FPS they like they just make montages and use music inspired by western montages.
>>338027791
This.
But we could post some actual skill, and make it interesting?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt-hXFTWfeo
>>338026503
>80% of the montage is just people popping their EZ-Win ultimates
Such skill, wow!
>>338029002
fucking love watching seagull.
him trying to make stuff like Soldier 76 and Bastion rocketjumps work is pretty cool.
>>338026503
So when does this video start showing anything good? Running around with retarded ultimates isn't "skill" and neither is hitting a single kill on an airborne target.
>>338026503
>video editing makes it high skill
???
>>338028243
this
>all the movement options are on cooldown
Why did anyone think this would be a good idea?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvm0H8KtU1I
>>338029086
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc1gGohWAEE
>>338029002
>those massively expanded hitboxes for melee kills
jesus fuck
>snipes with widow while floating in mid air because nothing goes fast
>all bodyshots with some kills not even being 100 percent damage
You realize there are even autists on 4chan that snipe in games with much more frantic situations and can consistently get headshots?
>>338029215
>rocketjumps
>sprinting
>wallrunning
>wallclimbing
>triple jumping
>cooldown based
have you actually played overwatch anon?there are cooldown based movement abilitys, but saying they all are is a lie
>>338029289
Yea, I feel that needs fixing. The problem is with characters like Genji who use a sword it makes sense sort of? But if you watch Mei using her fat stubby arm to palm them, it makes no sense.
>>338029398
None of those are even remotely as versatile as any similar shit in other FPS games
It's funny because the blandest one there is sprinting and that's still considered a "special ability"
>>338029462
>>338029289
the universal melee attacks do shit damage though.
only 30 HP.
nothing wrong with having some range on them.
>>338029551
it's a special ability because no other character can do it.
THIS IS A BAIT THREAD, YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER NOT POSTING!
>he fell for the free shill meme
>that music
TF2 montages have better music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VBSXYuOkms
>Overwatch
>Skill
>>338029639
>it's a special ability because no other character can do it.
yeah, no shit
it says a lot about the game that it's considered special i all i'm saying
hell, most characters can't even ACCESS most of the map because they don't have some dumb jump/grapple ability, forcing them through the endless chokepoints - your pic related
>>338029225
So that's how you hit with hanzo. Cock your shot then twitch at the direction they are moving.
Players aiming well is great to watch, but heroes like Hanzo and Widow are just broken with arrows the size of a train and a super quick scope charge time.
I'm glad they nerfed Hanzo's E in closed but its still way too easy to 1 shot someone with it.
>>338029782
>scout
but yeah, tf2 fragmovies were the shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrJFXZL16Tc
>>338026503
This game is so boring to watch
over watch is the most shilled game on /v/ please stop the shilling thanks (:
>>338029782
>old dnb track
could do a lot better. that jam is ancient, and wasn't that good when it was new.
Wait a second. People actually paid for this game? Don't they know the porn of the characters is freely obtainable on the internet?
wow...so this....this is the peak for overwatch skill... popping Q and killing all the players because they dont move out of the way... incredible..
>>338029225
>those hitbox
casual as fuck
>>338030150
Headshot hitbox is hueg
Friendly reminder not to criticize Overwatch on 4chan.org.
Big Brother is watching.
>>338030081
>game isn't out
>OMG You guys paid money for this?
no anon, noone in the world paid money for this.
>>338030085
wow...so this...this is the peak for shitposting skill... pressing ... and getting all the (you)s... incredible...
Here's a list of auto-aims in Overwatch.
Soldier 76 ultimate
Mccree ultimate
Reaper ultimate
Winston primary gun
Symmetra primary gun & turrets
Torbjorn turret
Roadhog chain (aim assist)
Here's a list of attacks which aren't auto-aim but you essentially cannot miss with them no matter how bad you are.
Bastion turret gun
Reaper primary guns
Tracer primary guns
Reinhardt primary melee
Zenyatta orb of discord
Winston ultimate
Pharah ultimate
Roadhog primary
Roadhog ultimate
Zarya ultimate
Tracer ultimate
Mei primary
Mei ultimate
Genji ultimate
D.Va primary
D.Va ultimate
Additionally, almost every character has a skill that negates all positional mistakes. For example: caught on the ground as the rocketess Pharah? No problem, just press this easy button and you're instantly in the sky, where you're most effective.
Ran yourself into a bad spot as the fragile Tracer? No problem, just press this button and you're instantly back where you were before.
Got caught in the open as the close-range Reaper? Just press your invulnerability button and float over to a healthkit. You get this and many other movement tools completely free, there's nothing you give up for them, like sacrificing health with a rocket-jump.
The tools Overwatch gives you to solve problems are contained in a single button rather than a complex and difficult set of movements and/or offensive measures. The entire game revolves around identifying the correct rock-paper-scissors situation to press your button, then pressing it. There is no serious skill of any kind involved. You're going through the motions of what you think a video game entails.
The miniscule difference between a week-old Overwatch player and a year-old Overwatch player is lost in the cloud of instakill ultimates, teleports and AOE abilities. This game is transcendentally shit and there is no escape from it. This is the very profitable future of FPS. Hell. Population: you.
>>338029782
>scout montage
first time i've ever seen that, why would someone create a scout frag montage?
>>338030204
Yeah but they do know TF2 is on Steam for free, right?
I mean it's a little ridicoulus planning to pay money for a multiplayer shooter that will be dead in a couple of months after release when all you want is the porn.
>>338030347
i mean people paid money for TF2 back then, wich had 0 women and no porn.
and yet they don't regret it.
i don't get your argument.
>>338026503
>has a clip of a soldier killing a pharah jumping
WOW
THAT SKILl
>>338030305
Because Scout is love, Scout is life
>>338030186
Holy kek
I really want a montage, combovid, compilation, etc. thread.
>>338030451
TF2 is now completely free. It also was a good game created by a semi-competent dev and it still has a community.
The only thing Overwatch has is the porn. And that stuff is for free on the internet.
>It's the marketer keeps posting the same thread episode.
>>338030239
>The tools Overwatch gives you to solve problems are contained in a single button rather than a complex and difficult set of movements and/or offensive measures.
So?
>>338030550
I played TF2 due to overwatch withdrawals, and scout really is such a fun fucking class
nothing like scout duels where you both run alongside each other for a brief period and you just need to adjust your aim to a to you stationary target
>>338030639
>The only thing Overwatch has is the porn.
well there is also a pretty good game hidden behind the porn, you know that right?
i mean you can sadly not get hats or alternative weapons to sell on the steam marketplace.
you also can't join a server of kids, furrys and bronies expressing their passion via VOIP and spraylogos.
also for some reason there is noone idling in overwatch, wich is weird because that seems like a core mechanic of Team fortress 2. seems like Blizzard forgot to copy that.
>20 TICK RATE
20 TICK RATE20 TICK RATE
>>338026503
This video doesnt have that much skill. And if those widowmaker and pharah shots were the only thing they did on that map then I'm gonna chalk it up to luck.
>>338026503
Only part that was impressive was the genji deflect and junkrat/pharah directs.
Even those are easy and happen often enough, you get a whole 2 second window on the deflect, and those nice looking kills on junkrat/pharah has happened to anyone who's played them.
>>338026503
>Half the clips are just someone hitting Q into Zarya's black hole
lmao
>Tf2 players shitting on Overwatch, instead of being the ones shit on
Boy how times change.
>he fell for the montage of lucky kills meme
>>338026503
I thought the same thing before I played the game. I'm autistic with fps games and by the time I was lvl 8 I was being put up against lvl 60's.
And then I realized that most of /v/ must be shit at video games since you
are put up against players of the same skill level.
>comparing skill ceilings in games where 75% of the top players are hacking
>>338030239
implying TF2 is any different in terms of movement complexity.
Yea post the shit video of Soldiers making trick jumps all you want. There's a grand total of 2 TF 2 classes (soldier and demo) with more than trivial movement mechanics.
If you were to bring up a game that takes actual movement skill (old school arena shooters. NS1/2 etc) you'd have credibility when you dig on OW for casualness, but oh your example is TF2, the epitome of casual FPS game in the past decade.
>>338030239
Tracer Ult
Cannot miss
the fuck
>>338026503
>linkin park shit
>people left clicking on the screen
>skill
you fucking PCucks are hilarious
>>338026503
>Half the headshots dont even look like headshots
>>338026503
HE POSTED IT AGAIN
guys lmao it's really funny, keep posting it haha
My favorite part is when everyone explains how the skill in the game is more focused on learning team comps, when to switch characters, and when to use your ult as opposed to raw mechanical skill and op
and the blizzdrones ignore it!
Haha! Classic! This is a meme for the history books lads!
>>338031428
Shotty hitreg sorry. That's the power of 20 tick and shitty serverside algorithms
>>338026503
>Zarya airshots
ok thats something i never did. although i was using the linear beam a lot when apparently you're supposed to main the grenades for general DPS even at closer range? the beam is really good when powered up to shred lights and the near dead.
>>338030239
You dumb fag how are the shotguns and pyro weapons and Heavy miniguns any different in terms of difficulty to aim?
How is the engineer any harder to play than Torbjorn?
HOW CAN YOU BE SO BAD as to consistently die to those shitass ultimates that any noob learns to dodge within a few hours of gameplay?
And how is TF2 an example of a skillfull or original game? Also what is the point of digging Blizz for not being original when their entire business model is based upon ripping off other peoples ideas and then perfecting and polishing them?
Are you this mad that a better version of TF2 is out?
>>338031630
>getting mad at pasta
>>338031630
>getting baited this hard by copypasta
come on anon, contribute something better to the thread next time.
>>338031630
>better
Maybe if you enjoy hand holding faggot
Tf2 fags are upset because they WANTED the game to be good, and it ended up incredibly shallow.
>>338031765
i feel like most people judge overwatch way too fast.
each character has neat little things that will seperate good players from mediocre ones.
it's just not as shallow as everyone thinks it is.
Some proper skill right here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vPDsgg9n40
>>338030051
>old
The video came out the same year it was released on Hospital Records.
https://www.discogs.com/Various-Sick-Music-/release/5627184
>>338030186
pc =/= console
>>338031630
>their entire business model is based upon ripping off other peoples ideas and then charging them fees to play the same game
Fixed that for you
>>338031329
>the epitome of casual FPS game in the past decade
You can't be that delusional.
>>338031630
>engineer
>Manages 4 different buildings and shoots people with his gun
>Torb
>has a peashooter you probably shouldnt be using except to bait people into your sentry
Shotguns in competitive formats have a fixed pattern spread with no rng. It's easy to hit someone with a shotgun. The difficulty is in making sure every pellet hits your enemy, or "meatshotting" them
Pyro should be airblasting things not setting them on fire now. Sorry valve nerfs are strong.
>>338030832
>also for some reason there is noone idling in overwatch
this is outright untrue. I've seen plenty of people idle and get booted. There was also a Mercy who would idle for a second and then walk around for a second before idling again because that's what healers do I guess.
>>338026503
I think huge oversized bug eye sunglasses on girls looks really good. Your pic not exactly related but kinda.
>>338032228
torb is more like minisentry engi really
>main gun LMB is a single bullet with drop off, RMB is a shotgun blast
>has to collect scrap to throw out armor packs for teammates and himself
>has to aim with his gun for headshots
>has to have good timing on his ult for super sentry + headshotting fools with his insane molten core pistol.
torbjorn is much less stationary than the oldschool engineer, so more like the mini sentry engi, wich i prefer.
>>338031765
Much of the roster is simple to play sure, but that's just part of Blizz's design philosophy.
There are mechanically deep characters like Genji, Hanzo, Roadhog & Zenyatta and just about all of the roster benefit from more time invested into how they fit into the various maps.
The problem with saying it's "shallow" is
1. It confuses having a simple clean design with lack of depth. Every character has their own unique way of getting around. Some have more depth than others.
2. There are deeper fps games out there. Nobody hears about them anymore. There's a reason for that. Casualness sells. Blizzard is in the business of selling games (and making a decent game along the way if that helps them sell things) You can fault them for it but that's just gonna be the way things are.
3. Again, if the starting point is TF2 then any accusation of shallowness rings hollow. This sounds like when Dota and lolfags accuse HOTS of being casual. Jeez man if you wanna be so leetskillpro why aren't you playing sc2?
>>338030832
>perpetuating the ponifucker meme
The only way you'll see one is if you went to a furry/poni server or the occasional trade server.
Most servers have sv_pure running and you cant post sprays. Like 90% of servers are like that.
If someone is micspamming themselves fucking a dog or something votekick them. It aint rocket surgery
>>338030832
>he actually thinks Overwatch won't be full of kids, furries and bronies
>>338026503
Most of these are pretty unimpressive skill-wise.
I mean, even airshots on pharas are exttremely easy in this game du to the little air control and how linear the leap is.
>>338032585
It's been a couple of months but there were a lot of horsefuckers running around last time I played.
>>338026503
BRAVO BLIZZARD
>>338032008
Lucio can infinitely loop on that level without ever touching the ground and still shooting/healing. Half the maps I would just ride high until I was spotted, some maps have little crevices you can just chill in if you want to. There is supposed to be a hard cap for riding on walls, but for some reason I never did. I don't know if it was because I would jump away from the wall for a long time or what, but I could ride certain routes forever.
>>338031528
no it's just weird hitboxes
there was a clip of lucio headshotting a roadhog in the shoulder in test conditions
>>338032650
>old TF2 vetereans
>Blizzard fans (from WoW hearthstone Starcraft 2 or Diablo 3
>40$ entry fee
certainly not full, but way less.
also the 6v6 matchmaking nature of the game means you run into them way less.
Probably one of the most vexing things in Overwatch is just how little mobility you have. All but a handful of characters move at nothing more than a slow waddle. Sure it reinforces the whole work as a team idea but fuck if it doesn't make walking back into the fight from spawn painful.
>>338032807
dunno man, google some degeneracy for Overwatch and there is already bucketloads of fur/ponyshit. You also have to deal with waifufags and WoWfags who have never played anything twitchbased.
>>338032669
I have been playing almost every night and dont run into furry shit except ironic posting in /v/fortress
>>338032481
>Roadhog
How is roadhog mechanically deep? Or are you just referring to meatshotting people with perfectly distanced alt-fires?
>>338032139
Yes. Warcraft & Starcraft ripped off their ideas from GW and gameplay from other RTS games at the time. WOW ripped off Everquest, Casualstone off MTGO, Diablo ripped off...fuck actually Diablo is probably the only exception for relatively original gameplay mechanics.
The point being, do you hear much of those things that Blizz ripped off nowadays? Why exactly do people prefer paying for Blizz's shit than the shit they ripped off of, hmm?
>>338032807
>40$ entry fee
you really thinks that's gonna stop annoying bronies/furries?
they're the type of faggot who spend hundreds for someone to draw their OC and thousands on a furry suit.
money isn't a problem for them
>>338026503
>maybe if I keep posting it, it'll become true!
fuck off faggot
>>338032968
>and gameplay from other RTS games at the time.
What did starcraft rip off? I can't think of any RTS games from before that time with the same type of ability-focus that became so common afterwards.
>>338032856
>Rhino
>the big fat tank guy who is intentionally slow and meta revolves around a card that slows him down even more
>is faster than OW characters that don't use special abilities
pretty sad
>>338026503
You know people make Call of Duty montages too, right?
>>338026503
>use 1 button ability on flanked teams
>shoot stationary targets
so much skill indeed.
>>338032951
You can execute a combo with all of Roadhogs attacks: Altfire > Hook > Primary fire + Melee, and any variation of it with less elements.
His alt fire is non-trivial to learn to use effectively. The timing and place to use his ult also takes some learning.
A good roadhog will shit on the supposed counters to him: Bastion and Reaper.
>>338032481
Your selection of mechanically deep characters is rather poor.
You should have picked lucio, whose movement is deep, but gameplay is unfortunately shallow.
Hanzos autoaim homing giant hitbox splitting arrows arent skillful
Genji has nice movement but it sucks compared to lucio.
How are zenyatta or roadhog deep?
>>338032968
>Diablo is probably the only exception for relatively original gameplay mechanics.
it's funny because diablo was made by one of their subsidiaries, which they bought out a few months before it released. if you want to see an actual example of blizzard entertainment's work on diablo, look to diablo III
Today, i found out that /v/ loves getting triggered. they actually embrace the shitposting despite what anon >>338027791 said.
>>338033152
I didn't use the alt-fire in the combo, but it seemed like basic shit, not exactly rocket juggling here.
>>338033056
I can think of Dark Reign, Dune and C&C for contemporary RTSes, amongst a sea of other less notable games.
SC was by no means original in terms of gameplay at the time. It beat the competition(namely TA as far as big name rival RTSes go) because it had tight polished gameplay and lots of character(in its 3 completely distinct RTS factions, which is a genuine Blizz innovation) and story.
Let's cut the shit, when are we getting a metal gear rising skin for genii? Or even more unlikely, a good skin for junk eat?
>>338030051
ay fuck you man i liked b complex
>>338033214
Zenyatta is admittedly more "If i don't completely know what I'm doing I will get repeatedly shat on"
>>338033307
It's like league shit flowcharts
>Run to enemy
>Q->W->E
>guy dies or you flash away
>>338030239
>Getting this worked up over a game.
>>338033392
considering they've shown unmasked cyborg genji during the latest short, probably soon.
>MGR
>not Grey Fox Genji
guess Sam or Raiden would also do.
What's wrong with the scarecrow junkrat skin? there are other character that actually do need a good Legendary.
this video gets me kinda nervous realizing how easily one button press rewards you and i was sure i want to buy ow after having fun for 30 hrs im beta
>>338033292
well /v/ isn't a collective hivemind. discussions are bound to be repeated.
>>338033619
>giving blizzard money
>ever
>AUTO AIMS
>SKILL
>>338033387
I didn't play dune, but dark reign or pre-SC C&C had a pretty different ability scheme from SC, which has been copied again and again after it released, even by C&C. They're as far as I can remember either without controls(like, say, yuri mind control), or can be activated by clicking on the unit(like deployable artillery from Dark Reign). SC had actual buttons, with mana costs, cooldowns and so on, and often multiple kinds for each unit, a much more advanced setup.
>>338033619
after 30 hours in the beta you should have realized that ults don't actually give you easy tripple+ kills.
unless the enemy team is full of retards.
>>338033619
>Falling for blizzard marketing
You will get bored of this operant conditioning box.
>>338033671
What company deserves our hard earned funbux oh great and wise anon?
It's time for fast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7wtkfQgsJg
>>338032175
Not that Anon, but TF2 is casual as all hell. Source; me, played since beta
>>338033764
Nah they do. At higher levels you just need to save your ult more and use teamwork, coordinate them better.
>>338033764
>unless the enemy team is full of retards.
You mean Blizzard's target audience since WC3? They're easier to train than Pavlov's dogs.
>>338033898
Imo tf2 is a better competitive game than CS. It's just a shame that the competitive scene wasnt fostered at all.
I supposed im glad after all these years, valve finally has to pay attention to tf2 now that overwatch is releasing.
>>338033741
>CLIENTSIDE HIT DETECTION
>SKILL
I was in team #overwatch but after seeing this video i am now a #battleborn
>>338033838
Wow, it takes a special kind of autism to git this gud. Nice vid.
>>338032807
>Blizzard fans (from WoW hearthstone Starcraft 2 or Diablo 3
those are literally the worst group in gaming because they are either fat ugly man childs, autistic children or le gamer gurls.
>>338033764
its inevitable that they will be close enough to absolutely devestate
my only concern is that the game will revolve around getting these ults to work which is relatively easy compared to purely shooting and using your basic abilities to win
>>338034050
Tf2 and cs are server side though.
>>338034051
I was in team #overwatch but after seeing this post i am now a #cancerpatient
>>338034105
Depends on what MMR you're at. At lower levels rando ults are going to clean up and subsequently win games. At higher levels its mitigated somewhat with player skill putting a stop to them. Most ults are "balanced"(big quotes) in a way that you can actively stop them or mitigate them.
There are some exceptions though, Mercy Ult is flat out broken and is the lynch-pin to high level play. Its honestly the most powerful ult in the game and the only way for you to stop it is to kill her before she casts it. Charges retard fast as well.
>>338034105
meh,
you just shoot the dude doing the ult.
how many times during beta have you heard:
>DiE DIE D...AAHGH
>IT'S HIGH NOo-AURGH
>JUSTICE RAINS FROM AB- ARGH
once you get better awareness, map knowledge and reaction to audio cues, ult's won't be that much of a game changer.
however stuff like Lucio ult and Widowmaker ult obviously can't be interrupted, but they can be played around / countered.
also
getting to your ult As fast as possible requires you to hit enemys and kill enemys (except for support classes).
and that takes skill.
>>338034050
>15 years later
>20tickrate
>>338032228
>Engineer
Sits in a corner jerking off on his turret.
His setup is purely defensive as it takes too long to setup anything (besides the Mini) in the heat of battle.
His Metal mechanic is relevant only to himself and his buildings and it doesn't invite interaction with others.
The Engineer's real game is in his teleporter and Dispenser supporting his allies, but few play vanilla Engy properly because he's so bloated and his Lv3 Sentry is too appealing. He is relegated to being the guy who builds a nest in a safe spot around the corner and waits for the enemy to show up. To get the most out of an Engineer, you need time to set everything up and then once you've settled in, you squat.
>Torbjorn
Is an active member of the team who has an effective gun (ain't a fucking peashooter) and uses his quick-to-deploy turret as a supplement to his damage on the frontline.
His setup is one building, but it is useful in any situation, not just a defensive one. It's not overwhelmingly powerful but it is still effective at Level 1, making it useful in some offensive situations, and can be quickly knocked up to Level 2.
To prevent Torb from being played as the TF2 Engy sitting in a corner, his Level 3 is only a short-lived boost.
His Metal is dropped by fallen enemies and is used to support allies by giving them armor. He has to be out there alongside his allies to get the most out of his role.
Where the Engineer is best off whacking his Sentry and letting it do all the shooting (as it is more powerful but more fragile), Torb can leave his Turret at 1 or 2 (as it is weaker in damage but more hardy) and use his own gun as a force multiplier.
Also the shotgun design in Overwatch is one that relies on precision. For the folks like Torb, Reaper and D.va, there is always a hitscan in the center of the crosshair that deals the bulk of the damage, and it counts as a headshot if that dead center projectile is on point.
>>338029810
Characters who can access most of the map
>Pharah
>Genji
>Tracer
>Dva
>Hanzo
>Widowmaker
>Mercy
>Lucio
>Winston
>Junkrat
>Reaper
Possibly Mei but I'm not really sure how her icewall works. Excluding her that's over half of the characters
>>338032856
>dirty bomb
>faster than TF2
>fast at all
What?
This will forever be one of the sicked frag movies ever made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpMIDQ23gdI
Really, if you have not watched this, do so.
>>338034332
The 20tickrate meme doesn't work anymore
>>338034436
>cs
>good frag movies
>>338026503
>marilyn manson remix
Is this 2004 again?
>>338034436
>counter-strike
>one of the "sicked" frag movies ever made
Leave.
>>338034424
Mei can actually help other allies that aren't as mobile also get up to higher places.
It is possible to kind of make a bridge over gaps with the wall if you place it correctly.
>>338034309
enjoy getting one shot by a Bastion ult
god damnit i fucking love this game
>>338034382
I wish Torbj had some more QoL shit that Engie has. Picking up and moving turrets would be great, level 1 torbj turret is fucking terrible, I have no idea what you are going on about. Level 2 is decent but its fragile as shit so you do end up babysitting if they have decent against it. Level 3 turret is ridiculous though.
I'm certainly with you on how I enjoy Torbj being able to run out and fuck people up, his gun is highly undervalued. Its easily one of the best in the game if you can land shots.
>>338034436
>sickest frag movie
>CSS
dude the 2000's are over, time to move on.
i bet you also listen to linkin park, pendulum and billy talent every day
>>338034382
Only newbies play engie as you've described it.
Decent players know to focus on building a safe zone for allies where to resupply health and ammo and play way less around sentry kills.
The many unlocks provide countless ways to play engie, and the widowmaker is one of the strongest weapons in the game in the hands of somone with good aim,rewarding well aimed shots with infinite ammo and a bottomless clip.
>>338034521
>2016
>Quality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDRyiLxRPLA:^)
This is much better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcIEY9-mPn4
>>338034382
>For the folks like Torb, Reaper and D.va, there is always a hitscan in the center of the crosshair that deals the bulk of the damage, and it counts as a headshot if that dead center projectile is on point.
Where did you get this info? First of all, by definition Torb's weapon is not hitscan since you see a projective that comes out with a travel time.
As for Reaper and DVA, I thought they just fire out shots that are modelled the same as any shotgun blast in any other game: more spread with distance travelled, each pellet acting like a separate projectile and if those projectiles hit the head it's a headshot. What is this dead center projectile BS?
>>338034426
1. The pic at the end belongs to NS2 not Tribes.
2. TF2 in that scheme would be also an old man with a cane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr3kzW9JbB4
get mad its yo boi bastion
>>338034798
>throws a grenade
>dies before it hits the ground
>blames the tickrate
>>338034836
>kimchi
>doesn't play D.va
For what purpose?
>>338034426
faster than overwatch that's for sure. it definitely isn't faster than tf2 if you consider only solider, demo & scout, but if you know what you're doing you're still much more mobile in dirty bomb than you are as any of the other 6 classes in tf2.
I will pay /v/ $10 to find a flaw in Tracer
>>338034836
Korean really sound like constant whining.
>>338035187
Annoying voice.
>>338034980
>natural selection 2
>faster than Tribes
>>338035187
her gassy farts
*FRRRP*
FWWEEAARPP... BRAP
>>338035187
She's not real.
Don't give to /v/ wtf.
Donate the $10 to Summer Games Done Quick.
Can someone explain how OW is low skill? It's super fast and mobility focused. You have to headshot to do well even though everyone is moving super fast. Has some extra depth added by abilities and counter picks. No regenerating health.
I think it's just a meme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKikZThii5Y
My favorite of all time. Has some of the sickest shots I've ever seen.
>>338035323
mmmm....
daddy like
So what other skins change a lot of stuff (not just weapons)
Hanzo's wolf skins for example change his lines to reference wolves (See through a wolf's eyes) and his ult is changed to wolves instead of dragons.
I know Mercy's devil skins change her line to "Heroes never die, for a price."
>>338035465
So is tf2 also low skill because you can set up a turret? Turrets in tf2 are even more power and literally 1 hit most classes.
>>338035374
>super fast
>you have to hit hs to do well
AHhhahhahahha
>No health regen
Wait? What kind of babby games were you playing, to give health regen for granted?
>>338035576
Yes. But we talking about Overwatch here, lets stay on subject.
>>338035374
It's definitely not high skill ceiling, but it's not low either, and comparing it to TF2 is basically saying a potato is smarter than a rock.
This being the age of casual gaming, big studios go out of their way to make their game accessible to as wide an audience as possible. You could call this pandering to the lowest denominator, but honestly this is vidya who the fuck cares if your game takes more skill honestly?
Granted, I used to love TF2 but its time in the sun is over.
>>338035374
>It's super fast
probably some of the slowest base movement speeds for a non-tactical/military shooter. You throw in all this auto-aim bullshit, but everyone moves so goddamn slow unless you use a cooldown.
see >>338030239
>>338035374
this is bait
>>338035028
It snatched on McCree on his client already
People here often misuse the tickrate. blaming it for everything, but it's definitely a tickrate fault.
>>338035705
overwatch reminds me a lot of dota in how the game moves to be honest
>>338035576
>literally 1 hit most classes
>it's a barrage of 16damage bullets, so you have to put at least 8 hits in the weakest class to kill hit.
I get your point, but you worded it very poorly.
>>338035465
>Blizz's POTG feature in beta is not working as intended
> Trying even to use POTG as evidence for anything other than Blizz trying to make people feel good AKA "conditioning" as some dumb fag here likes to repeatedly remind people(yes we get it. No other dev apart from Blizz tries to make rewards an essential part of their gameplay experience).
> THIS IS EVIDENCE THAT THE GAME IS NOT SKILL. BECAUSE THE GAME ITSELF KNOWS WHAT SKILL IS
Is this another one of these threads where people over simply the discussion to suit their point of view and then proceed to sarcastically shit on the other game.
Are we not tired of this yet?
>>338034426
ftfy
>>338036045
Over simplify* my shitty ass keyboard and poor faggotry knows no bounds.
>>338036045
Give me a good game and I'll stop
>>338034436
Jesus christ, the slow-motion is even worse in that video compared to the one in the God Eater anime.
I don't even get why "skill" is a thing in the first place.
As long as the fking thing is fun, why would you pretend that playing vidya is anything other than the mind-numbing life wasting pre-occupation that is is? So what if you are "skillful" at it? Should I give 2 fucks about you being more skillfully autistic?
>>338035930
This is a classic example of what I am talking about. Here you have a savage defending the indefensible. It defies logic. It defies reason.
The only way it makes sense is in the world of these Slaves who take orders from their Blizzard Slavemasters. These people are on a record pace to wind back up on a physical slave plantation, they are already there mentally.
>>338036269
muh esports team!!
Even the Japanese aren't sure about this game.
>>338036149
checkers
>>338036149
I haven't played it but it looks like a barrel of laughs and most of the people I know who played it had a load of fun.
it looks fun and i'll probably play it.
>>338036269
Then stick to being amused by movie games and Gone Home. Overwatch is shallow as fuck and it isn't enjoyable unless you like pressing Q and being showered with medals and commendations for doing nothing at the end of every game.
>>338036548
it's clearly not that though.
Did you watch the same game? or are you just delusional.
Or are we doing the thing I mentioned everybody is doing in this thread and watering down the argument to suit their needs.
>>338036483
>Why are you so Korean?
>>338036546
It's designed to stroke your ego and shower you with loot for doing nothing. It's got everything there to be addicting and a spectacle, but it isn't fun to play.
>>338036668
Played it with friends
>>338036350
I agree with you that POTG is an artfully inserted feature that makes people feel better about themselves and thus increases their enjoyment of the game.
The logical leaps that is required to make connections to "conditioning" and Pavlov are yours.
Also my point is that a broken feature in the game mistakenly rewards non-skillful play by saying it is skillful. But doing so by a broken feature in a game doesn't mean anything. The guy who made this play is presumably smart enough to understand that. You are presumably smart enough to understand that. It is meant to be funny, not a serious indication of whether the game requires skill or not.
The same situation could fully happen in TF2 (an engi dying and his turret subsquently giving him a mad killing streak while hes dead). The only difference is a broken feature that sometimes produces funny shit like this.
Also, plz keep entertaining us with your Slavemasters shtick.
>>338035786
If that was the case, tickrate wouldn't matter, dying wouldn't stop it at that point.
>>338036483
does someone feel the need to mistranslate like this to convince /v/ about japanese peoples' opinions? or is this like a joke that's over my head, or something?
>>338036745
"For doing nothing"
I'm sorry elaborate the difference between pointing and shooting in one game. and pointing and shooting in another.
Why does adding abilities just "Destroy" the experience
>>338036851
It's obviously a joke, you moron
>>338036548
dafuq? The medals are just a replacement for the kill board. Do people who get the most kills in a round of CS or TF2 get "showered with commendation" when they see themselves at the top of the scoreboard?
Also when are retard who haven't played the game going to understand that literally they are the only people dying consistently to "Q"?
>>338032920
>fur fags
>wow fags
Exactly.
I can handle the hyper casual elements like slow movement (making aiming easier), aim assist/lock on aim based abilities, I can handle the low primary weapon damage, the high HP pools and one shot abilities. I can handle the uninspired, boring, map designs. I can handle the $40 price tag for a multi-player only title.
All of these things individually, I can handle, but all together, in one game, that is also full of fur fags, wow fags, and fps casuals, I can't handle... these stupid degenerates who obsess over character looks are the same faggots who whine about some stuff being op while defending their bullshit waifu characters. League of Legends is full of this kind of faggotry, and these shit stain players push for easier, more casual elements all the time.
Overwatch, by itself is kinda of fun and has potential to be a good game with some smarter map/mode design and a little reward added for higher skilled players, but the community it is attracting will make the game shit in the same way HOTS, Diablo 3, WoW are shit, thanks to the community.
Those amazing plays
>guy runs
>turns around the corner
>runs straight and slashes someone in the back
>cuts to something else
WOAH
THAT SKILL
>the rocket fag jumps
>sees 3 enemies clustered together
>uses ult
>cuts to next play
WOAH
>>338031218
I don't remember the Ogre in Chainmail.
What expansion was that?
>>338037018
Can you explain how OW having a degenerate community is going to impact on your experience?
Do these degenerates talk to you? Can you not mute them?
Can you not prevent yourself from clicking on the shit content that they produce?
How exactly are all the other games you mentioned lessened by their community.
>>338036898
It's not just the abilities, but the abilities are fucking auto-aim and OHKs in a game that generally has a longer TTK.
The fact that hitboxes for shots and weapons are fucking huge, you can headshot people without aiming at the head.
>>338036973
Sure love capturing a point and avoiding Mercy's rez, Lucio's buff, or Widow's wallhack. Love how you literally have to run and hide and lose the point if you want to survive a Bastion cannon.
post ranks on release and then I'll consider your (shit) opinions
>>338037363
>Overwatch is all about teamwork and communication
>pls mute your teammates!
>>338031429
>implying I will change from the character I want to play just to win a game
>>338037367
Is their video evidence of these hit boxes in action? just out of curiosity's sake.
I would love to see
>>338029002
This guy is embarrassingly afraid of dying. He went all the fucking way back to spawn for fuck's sake. Just run the fuck into the point you coward.
>>338037406
not buying the game
>>338037249
Think that's from a mod.
>>338037567
Dunno man, but when you play it you'll start to notice.
>>338037367
fuk you are just plain bad. The only completely unavoidable OHK is Tracers ult on CERTAIN characters and it is not auto-aim.
Can you please name a single auto-aim ability in the game with no counter play?
How the fuck is the head-shot hitbox bs anything other than something you produced from your ass?
Are you seriously complaining about bastion like any number of the morons who don't understand hero-switching?
Everyone of those examples can be counter-played.
Mercy can be killed before you kill her team if you focus her.
Lucio you can run away from momentarily until shields wear off.
Widow is hardcountered by Winston.
G I T G U D(at this casual game)
>>338037578
>die like a retard instead of taking 3 seconds to go back to spawn
>>338037708
So you don't have any actual evidence. Just personal experience, which is highly unreliable when you're in the middle of a firefight trying to avoid shots and abilities being thrown about a clustered environment.
Can you see my issue here?
>>338035187
She's British.
>>338037807
>die
Who said anything about dying? They've got a healer. Trust him to heal you, don't get hit, kill the enemy before they kill you. Simple stuff. Losing the point straight away while not even being on it is being a total fairy cakeboy.
>>338037815
Oh racists.
Oh you.
>>338037815
>THAT
>18
Holy shiiiiiiiiiit
>>338037978
>Islam is a race
Kill yourself
>>338029002
Wow that tracer bitchmade all of them.
>>338037459
My experience in the open beta as been pretty good so far. No tards. Especially considering
1. The other team can't talk to you during a match
2. There's no scoreboard and you can only get a rough idea of how you yourself are personally doing compared with the team by looking at your medals. Therefore there isn't any of the blame game that happens in other shooters and mobas.
>>338035374
it's slower than the new call of duty though
>>338037912
>dude just avoid getting hit from this unstoppable teleporting hero who can deal your entire health in a single reload even when you don't have a giant 50% damage amplification stapled to your head
he was at 20 health when entering spawn for a reason
>>338036483
>This is not an RPG, it is masturbation. Toriyama is a homosexual Korean.
Fucking died m8
>>338038057
"name a flaw of tracer"
"She's british"
"that's kind of racist"
"HURR ISLAM HURR"
Looks like somebody woke up and had their morning bowl of retardios.
>>338037747
>Mercy can be killed before you kill her team if you focus her.
You realize Mercy can come from the spawn
>just counterpick
and then they counterpick your counterpick with everyone else saving their ult. You don't think a Bastion is aware that there is a Genji? They're going to bait your E and then fuck the team up on cooldown or when you die.
>>338038150
Those fucking roses.
>>338038097
>Therefore there isn't any of the blame game that happens in other shooters and mobas.
Had a Widow screaming at the top of his lungs and saying people sucked.
>>338038179
>The Brits are know a race
Kill yourself twice
>>338038130
Yeah. Because he's a shitter.
>posting gameplay and not the real reason people play this game
https://youtu.be/wDfPCxVMrY4
>>338038179
>Looks like somebody woke up and had their morning bowl of retardios.
>"She's british"
>"that's kind of racist"
Oh the Irony
>>338038323
>t. theorycrafter
>>338038378
Please stop endlessly spamming this video.
>>338038295
mute him. You still have 4 other teammates. If more than 2 are like that consistently then Blizz would have a genuine community problem, but then thats what the report button is for.
>>338037815
Those people are fucking heroes, even if they are inbred anglos.
>>338038319
>being offensive to a group of people under a specific country is not considered being racist
>you're the mascot of retardios
>>338038378
quit shilling your vid faggot. You sound like a wimpy bitch kid btw.
>>338038418
Who? I don't give a shit about your video game memelebrities.
>>338036108
>someone else played Warsow
what is this
also CPMA's movement is still better
>>338038506
You're the theorycrafter
>>338038150
God that was such a bizarre press conference.
Even /v/ was unsure of how to make fun of it. It was just an awkward barrage of reaction images showing their disbelief towards what was happening.
>>338038563
I hope that comes with a salary.
>>338036108
>Project Freefall will never get finished so it can go on this list
feels horrible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2NtuiEA0DQ
>>338038420
It's literally the first time I've posted it because I saw it one other thread.
I don't really go into many Overwatch threads so I dunno how many times its been posted.
>>338038215
>You realize Mercy can come from the spawn
I'm not sure what you mean. I assumed the original complaint is that mercy can resurrect her team after your team makes a good play that wipes out the other team. If your team is paying attention they would take out Mercy before killing everyone else.
Mercy's ult is admittedly the strongest, but only in high level competitive play where it counters Zarya combos.
>they counterpick your counterpick
Then my work is done innit?
>There are people ITT who thinks $40 is a lot of money
Fucking Neets
>>338038614
He managed to convince SE to pour millions into his waifu fanfic games. Imagine that. The guy gives no fucks besides Lightning. And now she's a fucking model. He's probably very content with his life. Lightning almost became real.
Most of that video was 'ult into a group of people for m-m-m-multikill'
>Overwatch has low skill ceiling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cBo5qlczV0
Watch that and ask yourself if you would be capable of carrying your weight among these players. Be honest.
>>338037363
It doesn't matter how these losers do in the game. What matter is how they act in the forums, how they behave toward the developer, and how they influence the game's direction.
Fur fags, waifu fags, wow fags, etc don't care about the health of the games they play, they care about their fur obsession or their waifu obsession, or the "social aspect", etc. Their influence on games is fucking cancerous. These are the faggots who push for easier raids, or easier gameplay, or stupid balance decisions, or punishment of "toxic" players, etc. They don't give a shot about playing the game, they care about wanking off ringworm chosen character and sit on the forums, bitching about the game and influencing the direction of the game. They're do nothing's that ruin whatever game they infest.
That's what's wrong with Overwatch's appeal to this kind of shitter.
>>338038845
>watching ''''''professional''''''' Overwatch which is already filled with cheaters
>>338038845
I watched most of this whole thing when it was live and was honestly slightly disappointed with how prevalent the 2/2/2 memestrat was. Good thing seagull went bastion and gave them a what for.
I know bastion is meme but it was legit against degenerate comps with winston like this.
first multikill scene is about 4 autoaiming headshots
I wanted to buy this game but fuck it because shit like this
>>338038845
This is probably the lowest skill competitive shooter.
