>denial
>anger
>bargaining
>depression
>acceptance
Which stage of grief are you in right now?
>>338011057
smugness because I have a job
Wheres your proof and sources?
>>338011116
>spending money on ones and zeros
60 is only a lot of money to someone under 18, which is most of /v/.
d-delete this thread
>>338011057
acceptance that denuvo has nothing worth pirating
I just wait for steam sales
>>338011432
>home front 2
>deus ex MD
>Hitman
>Rise of tomb raider
>far cry primal
>doom
How are those grapes, pcfat?
>Which stage of grief are you in right now?
patience
>>338011057
You are fucking annoying
>>338011531
I still see no game worth pirating
>>338011139
Guess he's in denial.It's a long way down, anon-kun.
>>338011531
>far cry primal
You alright, anon?
>>338011268
>money is also ones and zeroes just printed onto paper
>your entire life is ones and zeroes and endless series of yes or no questions that you do subconsciously
indifferent, only AAA trash publishers use it so nothing of value will be lost when they happen to fall into license oblivion that's neither purchasable or piratable few years later
>image.jpg
Wasn't the one who originally had Denvuo made was Sony? Why does Sony care about saving PC gaming?
>>338011531
>homefront
>Hitman™
>far cry primal
>>338011116
This.
>>338011268
> not having money to spend on one's and zeros
>>338011531
is primal any good?
I only see 2 maybe 3 games on that list worth playing
>>338011057
I'm at the pondering stage
pondering what you'll go back to doing when it's fully cracked like everything else. barneypost? spam soc about your wife's son?
>no source
neo-/v/ has gone from openly linking neogaf to expecting us to check neogaf ourselves
this is amazing
>>338011648
Denial are we?
>>338011648
G
R
A
P
E
S
Elite Cracker here
Denuvo is uncrackable. I am source.
I'm not a pirate anymore so whatever.
I just hope one day in the future like 5-10 years from now it'll be crackable.
I don't care about it right now, I just don't want games to be locked away behind some bullshit when the developer has given up support on them.
>>338011057
I've never pirated games only music. I played consoles until I was old enough to get a job in which to buy my own proper gaming platform, and the games bought from DRMSteam and ProGOG never seemed expensive enough to bother pirating
So yeah, good for Denovu...except for the modding part, which is definitely going to evolve into paid mods one day, for sure, and it'll probably be the last blow to the gaming industry before I find a new "hobby"
>>338011805
More like killing it, denuvo is making sure PC game sales go down so people buy ps4 instead
It's working
>>338011907
grapes are poison to canines and cats
your story is about laughing at something looking at a suicide method and deciding not to climb a tree for it
>>338012001
>except for the modding part
Denuvo doesn't stop mods from being made. Educate yourself swine.
The denuvo will fall, when 64dbg'll get into some workable state.
But that wont be soon, sadly.
>>338012015
LMAO I guess thats why MGSV sold millions on PC right? Dumb Piratefag
There are so many ways to get free or dirt cheap games, piracy was simply the most convenient. I have 5 Denuvo games on my Steam account and I only paid for one of them, and it was $3 with a RU VPN
Also that's complete nonsense, Denuvo is crackable, even the latest revisions. A crack can be made for a specific build of PC as we speak. The problem is that a Denuvo-protected game executable has hundreds, possibly even thousands of different variations for each PC spec as part of the anti-tamper, that they would all need to be cracked for a scene distribution to be possible, which isn't at all realistic. The more we start to understand about denuvo, however, the more likely we will be able to overcome this. It's a matter of when rather than if, and it will take a while but denuvo will fall like all the others
This isn't a war that can be won, it is a war that must continually be waged with bigger warfare and more draconian and anti-consumer devices. Eventually the consumers themselves will stand up and say no and that'll be the end of it. At the end of the day, Denuvo isn't converting pirates to buyfags, which renders the entire experiment meaningless
>>338012015
>More like killing it, denuvo is making sure PC game sales go down so people buy ps4 instead
>>338012146
The only reason I bought MGS V was because I was able to pirate it beforehand.
Didn't I see a thread that said Doom was cracked? Or was that trollin? Or was Doom not using Denuvo?
>>338011531
>deus ex MD
>Hitman
>doom
Those are the only video games among the shit you posted, f a m
>>338012265
>He doesn't like the new Tomb Raider series
Confirmed for shittiest of tastes.
>>338012253
Was trolling, Doom has denuvo.
>>338011531
>homefront 2
They're actually making a second one? Fucking why? The first was forgotten almost immediately.
>>338012328
>He likes constant QTEs, setpieces and no actual Tomb Raiding
You're the one with the shittiest taste.
>>338012328
>Does like the new Tomb Raider series
Confirmed for shittiest of tastes.
>>338012353
Not even normalfags like it.
>>338011057
>white knight cuck defending a whore who infected half a town
top kek
>>338011531
> Rise of the Tomb Raider
More like Rise of the Electra Complex.
Where is the source, OP.
>d-dark souls will h-have denuvo!!!
>>338011057
It's crackable but we need a debugger, and that shit is still in development.
The only game I have a passing interest in is Doom, but only out of curiosity's sake.
If I can't pirate it then I'm not playing. End of story. 60 dollars is fucking ridiculous for a single player Bethesda PC game.
>inb4 steam sales (lol jewthesda @ lowering the price to reasonable in my lifetime)
Doom is the first denuvo game worth playing and I got it off a key site
>amount of money denuvo publishers have made off me: 0
>amount of money denuvo publishers have spent trying to convert me: millions
How long do you seriously think this is going to last? 3DM is going to release all the cracks early next year when the annuals start rolling out that sales are actually down, because surprise, you can't make pirates pay for things. Most pirates are dirt poor Europeans anyway, who couldn't buy a game if they wanted to
>>338012810
Doom has multiplayer though.
Good, very good, now that the evil of piracy is finished, who are they going to blame for poor sales? "Entitled" gamers that actually want quality games and not just the last triple A garbage that they managed to shit out?
Once the evil of piracy is done for, some devs will have to accept that some games dont sell because of evil pirates, they dont sell because they are pure shit.
>>338012159
Why don't people just teach others to crack for their spec of PC then. Is it hard to make a crack? Does it require a lot of work, Or could any idiot pick it up?
>>338011685
actually, life is ones, zeroes, AND ones & zeroes simultaneously.
>>338011268
you only pay for ones you retard
zeros are free
>>338012898
There are a million things they will blame way, WAY, before their own incompetence.
>>338012870
To put it lightly, it's not good enough at all to inflate the price that high.
>>338012810
I never buy this type of logic.
You just said 60 dollars is ridiculous for SP. SO then why should you be able to pirate it. Its clear you have no intention of buying it even if you where to complete the game.
While your lost sale does not hurt the game company in any way, The same can be said for the game company in the same regard. You not being able to play the game does not hurt them either because you never had an intention to buy to begin with.
>>338011057
anon, i know you love shilling drm and i guess that's neat, but drm hasn't mattered for literally YEARS since the advent of steam sales and even less so after g2a went online (inb4 muh boogeyman russian mafia human trafficking supporting website) so why you continually makes these threads is really strange. you should really play video games instead, have a nice day.
>>338012750
x64dbg is good enough
>>338012819
You know keysites get their keys legit, right? So, yes, they made money off from you. Moron.
>>338011057
I wanna fuck that allegory of a game!
>>338012810
How the hell are they not worth the 60 dollar tag? I am STILL playing FONV to this day. And this is ID tech, you dumb homo.
>>338011531
I wouldnt event play those games for free if given the chance.
Holy fuck PC users have such bad taste in video games and its mostly becvause they only get access to multiplat AAA's, how pitiful.
>>338011057
What stage is apathy? I've at whatever stage that is since 2006.
Goddammit Denovu shills this is like the third thread in 12 hours. Stop it. Or at least be a bit more suave with your shilling. CDPR fans have made reverse-shilling into an art.
>>338011057
Nothing is uncrackable. That's computer security 101.
>>338012074
It does stop you from modding the .exe, so yes, it stops you from modding. Not all modding, but some.
I legit don't see how denuvo is a bad thing, aside from the fact it fucks with mods. I'm not a super autistic buy fag, like I've downloaded nd pirated shit before, but if I can't? I do without.
How is this so fucking hard? If you can't or dont want to pay, pirate I guess, but you really should pay. If you can't pirate, save your money or do without. It isn't complicated
>>338011531
>shit
>not even out
>always online
>shit
>shit
>shit
>pcfat
>piracy on [CURRENT GEN] console that is not piiu
...
>>338013489
If you take your logic further, then those poor fags who pirate will not buy the game.
Then what is the function of the DRM, except be another hitch for legitimate, paying consumers? Since those "poorfags" will just have to "do without" as you claim, then this will not give them more sales.
>>338011685
Big Boss go to sleep.
>>338011057
none because I have money and the common sense to know a bad game when I see one, and not a penniless piratefag who uses a "muh try before you buy" self entitlement rationalisation.
When are we going to see a source?
>>338013216
>Its clear you have no intention of buying a 60 dollar game even if you where to complete the game.
ftfy
>SO then why should you be able to pirate it.
Because I can and fuck you
>>338013312
>FONV
>An Obsidian (not Bethesda) game
>RPG with branching paths, open world, and sidequests
vs
>linear shooter with a short campaign
Yeah I'll really get my money's worth with this one
>>338013015
It's not as easy as it sounds. Basically the executables are largely empty and are populated with stubs, the stubs are stored on the server. When you run your game, you connect to denuvo servers which patch into memory code that is encrypted for your specific build, based on some combination of your components. The entire thing is run on a virtual machine and encrypted making it difficult to debug, but it can be done.
All of this requires someone who actually knows what they're doing is on the target machine, which is what's not possible.
And the end result is a "crack" that fools denuvo rather than removes it. Eventually denuvo should be able to be removed entirely but it'll take time. GTAV for instance was cracked originally with a social club emulator, and it wasn't until over a year later that Arxan (the antitamper) was actually fully removed from the code. Just happened a few weeks ago actually
Progress tends to happen exponentially so I think there are just some key discoveries to be made and it will all come crashing down. After that point they will be able to modify it but the more it is based on the existing ideology, the easier it will be to crack. They'll have to go entirely back to the drawing board and it'll be over for Denuvo because some new shit will be ready and waiting to replace it
>>338013489
It's not just like it's fucking with the shitty mods like fetish-fuel Skyrim titty mods, but effectively going to prevent a lot of modification for the sake of compatibility in the future, we're going to see games abandoned by their devs and no longer working on future OS's because the devs disbanded or don't care enough to patch out a problem and have also left this shitty anti-consumer anti-tampering bullshit all over their game keeping anyone from putting it back together
>>338013626
>If you take your logic further, then those poor fags who pirate will not buy the game.
...yes?
>Then what is the function?
To prevent you from playing the gsme unless you pay for it?
I'm not seeing the dichotomy here. They don't want people who didn't pay for their game to play their game. It may be possible to debate whether or not what they spend in security matches what they make in piracy converted to sales, but it does help maintain existing sales by preventing buyers from mutating into pirates, even if not vice versa
>>338012001
A toast to you good sir
>>338011685
And get this... This guy's NAME is Zero!
I haven't even played on pc for a couple of years now, and when I did I've bought everything since like 2010, but why the fuck are people suddenly supporting DRM? I hate it more now that I buy games than I ever did when I pirated.
>>338011531
>far cry primal
>home front 2
Seriouisly?
>>338013489
Then how come 2 of the best selling PC games in 2015 [Witcher 3 and Fallout 4] did not use Denuvo?
Obviously it does not help profits, short or long term.
>>338012381
>>338012393
I didn't realize /v/ hated women this much.
>t-they a-re just shit games
>I-i don't w-want them anyway
I
LOL
EVERYTIME
>>338011057
SHILLS GO HOME
Why is Neo/v/ filled with daily cancerous circlejerk threads by shitty game devs gobbling up Denuvo's shit and acting infuriated at pirates who didn't want to pay $60 for their glorified walking simulator on Steam Early Access and talking about how soon they won't be able to pirate anything at all
>>338013815
But they are not gaining money from doing this, so why do it at all?
The people might play their game and never buy it, or just never buy it. I'm failing to see how one gains money in this scenario
I dunno, what stage do cdkeys/sales fall into?
>>338013981
>buttmad
>>338013981
To make you mad, idiot. Congradulations, they win.
I sup endlessly upon the tears of people crying that they need to ~try before you buy~ and can't because of DRM software. Game companies are not fucking a patreon, you do not pay for something to "show your support" afterwards you pay in exchange for what they created in the first place like everyone else. You are not special.
In the endless game of DRM cat and mouse, eventually pirates will win but please don't ever sit upon a fucking moral high ground as if some great injustice occurred that you can't get free shit.
I guess I'm no saint upon my pile of legally available torrented anime, though.
>>338011057
The stage that really wants to see what these people are going to blame bad sales on once it's proven that piracy literally does nothing to their sales.
>>338013850
I've seen this picture a few times. Is that guys head really big, or is it just the angle and that the hat is too small.
>>338011531
I dont even pirate shit except the asscreeds but that list... really anon?
>>338011268
According to the holographic principle, everything in the observable universe is ones and zeroes.
>>338014079
I guess you think libraries should not exist, neither should Masterpiece Theatre on PBS, neither should food samples?
And you also think that game companies haven't banked on preorders and put out a game that was entirely awful?
>torrents another form of entertainment
opinion discarded
>>338014079
DRM is in some ways is a service to the consumer. If you spent $60 for a game, then someone else got it for free off a torrent site, you would feel a little upset that you dropped so much when you could have gotten it for free.
If a game can't be pirated, then people will be more inclined to drop money on a game they want.
>>338014079
anime is expensive still and the choices of not shonen shit is still on the end.
>denuvo comes out
>"it's uncrackable!"
>gets cracked
>denuvo v2 comes out
>"it's uncrackable!"
>gets cracked
>3dm announces a break from cracking for no apparent reason
>denuvo v3 comes out
>"it's uncrackable!"
i think i'll just wait for the deal with 3dm to expire
>>338014131
gamers are dead
why else aren't there any gamers to buy my plate of shit?
>Less consumer options
>CELEBRATIONS!
How can an anonymous site celebrate the corporate dick?
>>338014297
Please make a comparison to something digital. All physical comparisons break down due to unlimited copying.
>>338012074
>Denuvo doesn't stop mods from being made.
like the JUST 3 multiplayer mod which is in NEVER EVER stage even with devs support because denuvo gets in the way?
>>338014304
>DRM is a disservice to the consumer
ftfy
>>338014426
Because that is where the games come from. Other wise you want to suck on his cock?
>>338014304
Go home shill
>>338014371
denuvo v2 still isn't cracked
hitman/far cry primal use v2 and they aren't cracked. just cause 3 released almost 6 months ago and it isn't cracked.
>tfw games and the community typically dies of really fast nowadays so you HAVE to buy it early or miss out on decent amounts of active players
>>338014371
what deal
So scenefags be all
>it's not about piracy its about the street cred yo
Then something that's actually difficult comes along and they're all
>lol pirates we don't owe you anything who do you think we are
And the chinks that actually crack everything are all
>ching pong ting ting tong (at this level of effort we can just work for the government)
Everyone focuses on the pirates being btfo, but for me the scene kiddies stuck with blatant limp dicks is the real funny thing.
>>338011057
>Proven
[Citation needed]
>>338014503
Indies never have MP so they are never worth buying.
>>338014542
Only for shit games.
Battlefield 4, cs:go, and many other my games are going strong.
>>338014079
Piracy has two sides to it, most of the time is not justified, but in some cases, like bioware taking content from the original M3 game before launch and later selling as a full dlc for $10...well lets just say I will not cry for any sale they lost.
Some times I get really upset when people crack a good game five hours after release, some devs actually try to make good games and they do deserve to not get fucked over by piracy.
>>338014079
>don't ever sit upon a fucking moral high ground as if some great injustice occurred that you can't get free shit.
How about I sit upon the moral high ground that DRM is damaging to the playing experience paying customer.
You can't play the physical version of Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory on PC on any OS after XP, because the DRM is fucking terrible and thinks the game is pirated on any modern OS.
Good fucking luck playing GTAIV on PC now that GFWL is dead. Some people get lucky and work their way around that shit. Others like myself are unable to play the game they paid money for.
Also, a disclaimer. In the 8 years since I got a proper paying job, I've pirated exactly 1 game and purchased over 300. The game I pirated was AC Black Flag.
>>338011057
Instead of pirates, are they going to start dragging up fucking gamergate for lost sales now?
>Waa they're inciting people to not buy our games! All bad reviews are gamergate harassment, remove them now!
>>338011057
>be part of the master race
>enjoying all the free games I want
>suddenly Denuvo
>haven't been able to play any good game since they all have Denuvo
It's not fair! I wasted all my money an indie garbage box when I could have got a PS4 with amazing exclusives. I hate Denuvo!
Love seeing you fucking pirates rage like this. GET A FUCKING JOB.
>>338011057
I don't pirate.
>>338013815
The only things that matters in a big world is money. Noone cares about your concept of justice. It has been proven for a while now, that pirating doesnt lower the game's sales, just as DRM doesnt raise it. It doesnt bring big companies any money, but make them loose it rather, buying this expensive DRM protections. There's some evidence that it's the pirates, who raise sales (As Game of Thrones proclaims), but that is a shady path to go in the argument.
I am a pirate. I dont really play a lot of moden games, i dont like assassin creeds and Call of dutys. I rather prefer small, creative indie games, old games, roguelikes. But it happens sometimes, that i play an AAA game that i like. Then i buy it. I bought every single game that i really liked. There's Disonored and Fallout NV and Guilty Gear Xrd in my library. I thought of buying Doom, it looks kinda fun, but i wont, just until i'll play the cracked version (which is, probably, won be soon). I am not sure, if Doom is that good of a game, a lot of people liked Fallout 4 just as well, and i found it horrible. So, i will wait.
So, the conclusion. MRAA loses sales and gains their pride for it. It is a matter of time, when people'll understand, how good of a deal that really is.
>>338014672
Yes anon, the best games ever made are those that sell the most.
>>338014557
>And the chinks that actually crack everything are all
>>ching pong ting ting tong (at this level of effort we can just work for the government)
on chinese forums the most popular theory is that they got paid to do nothing, which isn't unlikely at all given how they announced "no cracking for a year" shortly after
>>338014679
>Fucked over by piracy
There are still no reliable sources that tell the effects of piracy on games.
>>338014756
Huh? Someone stated that you MUST buy games on release or else they die. But I listed 2 games that are a few years old with strong player bases that of high quality.
>>338014736
If you read the thread, not only pirates are against DRM.
I pirate all my shit on PC because I'm not a cuck who's going to pay physical money for a literal renting licenses and I don't give a shit about Denuvo.
Every single game I had interest in ended up cracked sooner or later.
>>338011057
No game I've wanted to pirate has Denuvo so it doesn't really affect me.
>>338014835
But there are for other media, like music, that show piracy correlates with lost revenue.
>>338014845
Well, yes, you MUST buy games or else they die. That doesnt mean you cant pirate it first.
>>338014878
SHUT THE FUCK UP literally only pirates would EVER be against it!!
>>338014079
>Game companies are not fucking a patreon, you do not pay for something to "show your support" afterwards you pay in exchange for what they created in the first place like everyone else.
I'm going to refund 10 purchases after playing for 2 hours just to show you how wrong you are
Video games *ARE* a charity. We need to accept this so we can move past it and develop consumer-friendly policies that make people feel good about supporting those who make things they like, rather than like scum of the Earth who would sooner "steal" the games if they could.
It's so fucking backwards right now it's sickening.
>>338014432
Witcher 3 and Fallout 4, as I stated before earlier in the thread, were without Denuvo. Both far outsold at the beginning and over time any Denuvo games.
Who is this DRM helping?
No one.
>>338014724
See OP? This is a step in the right direction of how to make a proper disguised shill post.
>>338015004
If they had denuvo they would sell more.
>>338014928
Can you show any proof of that. The "lost revenue" sound like a really shady concept. In my country (Russia) the rightholders count "lost revenue" just as "Lets see how many people torrented the thing, and imagine, that all of them would buy it"
>>338014845
There are exceptions, like TF2, DOTA, CS:GO and BF 4 along others.
Any attempt to make a game without AAA marketing die off quickly. Even Evolve didn't manage WITH it.
>>338014897
and you don't care about the industry and that is why they are double and tripple dipping on people. Because you found a way around paying. Doesn't mean Buzz from work is going to bother to pirate. He is going to buy the 120 dollar edition of cod or starwars battlefront and be happy. You pirating does nothing. Since it doesn't affect sales like so many people have been parotting. So in all your point is moot and worthless. Congrats on doing fuck and all.
>>338014928
Provide sources. I've read many studies that show piracy in some cases actually increases revenue.
Let's hear what someone from another media form thinks of piracy. Writer and cool guy, Neil Gaiman:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI
>>338014928
There's a good TED talk about music piracy. It's called something like "The one billion dollar Ipod" or such.
It's such fucking hyperbole it hurts.
>>338015071
They also consider used game sales a net loss.
Who makes these threads
No seriously, come on now
>D-denuvo is uncrackable, guys!!!
>all the games that use it are shit anyway
>DENUVO v2 IS UNCRACKABLE!
Guess what, shill? If I can't download a game for free, I'm just not going to play it. You're not going to magically get my money because you put Denuvo on your garbage.
>>338013216
He's the customer, retard.
>people not buying games doesn't hurt the company!
lol
>>338015184
Who? The ones who get all the (you)'s !
Don't act surprised.
>>338013206
>judging a singleplayer game
>with a modding kit
>by its multiplayer beta
hehehehehheheehhee
>>338015083
it works for 2nd world nations and also it is very different when it comes to print. Things like books often go out of print. Faster than you think. While a game if it is popular has more of a chance of being carried. It just changed recently with e-books but not everything is available for download.
>>338014297
>I guess you think libraries should not exist, neither should Masterpiece Theatre on PBS, neither should food samples?
That's what demos are for, but for whatever reason developers seem to have abandoned to concept. I don't think demos or samples are a necessarily poor idea. My issue there is people copying a "sample", consuming the entire thing, then proceeding to say "It's n-not like I enjoyed it or anything" and not giving the people who made it fuckall.
>And you also think that game companies haven't banked on preorders and put out a game that was entirely awful?
Totally true, I guess. Too bad demos are not a thing anymore. I wonder why they stopped releasing them. Not to mention the issue of demos being full of front-loaded high quality content while the actual game is
>torrents another form of entertainment
>opinion discarded
I should probably at least pay for one of the streaming sites.
>>338014716
Yeah. It can fuck over people wanting to play games that use now defunct online DRM. I had to crack my paid copy of Bulletstorm after GFWL told me to eat shit for trying to log in. Key difference here: I paid for it first. Imagine the disaster if Steam ever went down for good with no recourse or backup. Hopefully nothing like GFWL ever happens again. (Looking at you, currently awful Windows 10 store.)
Trolling and shitposting aside, what about that one rumour that denuvo fucked up performance for some games? Is it true?
>4 hours
>still no source from OP
why even speak if you're just going to call yourself retarded
>>338015328
Well it's basically constantly hogging cpu cycles and constantly reading/writing to the hard drive.
>>338015051
But that is a logical fallacy. Shouldn't those Denuvo games have sold more?
Many had much more hype than Witcher 3, so you can't use hype and exposure as an excuse either.
>>338011648
>"I d-don't want to p-play those games anyway"
Fucking BTFO
>>338015421
There have been shady screenshots of both sides of this argument I've chosen not to believe it for now.
If this was true it would be rather EASY to prove from all the hundreds of thousands of customers that bought a DENUVO game. However, there isn't.
>>338015075
Tell that to Fallout: New Vegas, as it has outsold Fallout 3 over time.
There are slews of other games too.
>>338015328
Despite a lot of attention to the problem, it is still not confirmed. That's the good proof towards "No, Denuvo doesnt affect perfomance"
>>338015328
>runs entire game and a side program in an emulator
>constantly checks in with a server thousands of miles away from you with a large file generated based uniquely on your specific computer and everything that makes it unique
What do you think?
>>338011980
The dev should always decide what happens to their game
>>338011531
The only one of those I have some interest in playing is Ride of the Tomb Raider, because I must look at THAT ASS. Maybe Doom when it's dirt cheap.
Kind of a relief that DaS3 didn't use it.
>>338015615
here is the main issue with pirating. Quality of the rip or something is at best really good to shit. That is why paying for something can be better than pirating. Like pirated e-book are shit and a lot of pirated music is shit unless you hunt down lossless copies.
>a new game is out, sounds interesting
>the year is 2016, there is no demo
>it's impossible to go to youtube to watch some gameplay witthout an "related video" something like "FINAL BOSS [name of a character] AND ENDING HD"
>can't watch the video or the stream itself without some retarded "HEY SUP EVERYBODY WELCOME TO MCFAGET69, HEAR MY 5 MINUTES INTRO OF DOING NOTHING THEN LISTEN TO MY SWEAR EVERY 10 SECONDS"
>just pirate it to test it
>if I like it, I'll buy it, because of my education and morale
>if I don't like it, I don't buy it
>if there's a denuvo, it's a AAA game that has all the action packed in the first 5 hours of the game, thus rending impossible a refund
it's easy
>>338015340
Not OP, but I found this linked on the Wikipedia page: http://www.polygon.com/2016/1/9/10741274/just-cause-3-crack-pc-3gm-denuvo
More like the lead group of crackers giving up than it being uncrackable. 5 months after release without a crack would be great even if they suddenly cracked it. The question is less of "if" and more "when" with game cracks. Most games sales happen in the first few weeks anyways, so if they are safe then they are golden.
>>338015752
This is false. If something exists with high quality, it can be pirated at that high quality. The only exceptions are things people don't care enough about.
>>338012146
No denuvo game has broke a million sales
>>338015752
you are talking out of your ass lmao
>>338014079
unfortunately like anime some video game publishers still enforce region locks, a year ago I wouldn't have been able to buy most SEGA games including Total War and Valkyria Chronicles
>>338015328
IIRC that one was mainly due to the game or something, at least, I haven't encountered anything like that with the games I have
>>338014542
Do people still play older versions of CoD, by the way? I stopped playing the series when they cut out dedicated servers and made multiplayer a piece of shit consolized version. Did they ever fix that?
>>338015775
here is the truthful version.
>download everything
> play about a handful of the games
>maybe play 1 game and finish it.
>buy even more games and maybe play 10 min of it.
>Buy even more games at full price,
>buy bundles.
>is unhappy
>the void will never be filled.
>>338015752
>no online multiplayer (or playing with other faggots on hamachi)
>no easy patches (or none at all)
>bugs/glitches introduced by cracks
>annoying shout out trainers/alterations
>resampled movie files etc
>viruses
Video games have all the same problems, which is why I buy the games that I actually think are worth it
Reminder:
These threads are made by denuvo marketers who make money per post recognized by their systems. The more you reply without saging the more money they make.
dont reply, just report and hide.
>>338015919
nice try, but it's false
>>338011057
Indifference.
>>338015275
>Giving the people who made it fuck-all
Paying does not do this either. Publishers =/= developers, the music industry has argued this as well with record companies =/= musicians. The publisher benefits in most AAA cases [at least with EA and Ubisoft they do], not the developer. Sometimes there is downright abuse of the developer, as Oddworld's creator has described, and the person who wrote this
http://ea-spouse.livejournal.com/274.html
>inb4 live journal
Fucking read it
>>338012253
Doom is already in pirating sites, ignore the denuvo marketers.
>>338015615
So he explains how you can buy a song and still have it even if the DRM goes down, but then claims that you still shouldn't pay for it?
>>338015837
even then the way you pirate and where it comes from and how and who and everything is out of your hands and you are at the mercy of the person that is pirating it to release. And if the copy of let say of a movie that has been out of print for decades and only had a vhs release you bet the official release is going to be the best version they can find and it will have extras.
>>338015275
>Key difference here: I paid for it first.
And it made no fucking difference, making your argument pointless. DRM is just an excuse to keep making bad games without losing sales. The best PC games ever made don't have DRM, you know why? Because people will pay money for good games. Retards like you will also pay money for shitty games stuffed up the ass with anti-consumer restrictions, so they don't need to make good games.
>playing new games
why would anyone do that?
>>338012409
Let's be honest here, there is no fucking way North Korea could occupy the USA.
The whole premise is fucking stupid. It wants so badly to be red dawn but there isn't a cold war and they don't want to offend the Russian market so who is the acceptable boogeyman that can take it's place?
North Korea, but it makes no fucking sense logistically.
>>338015881
Capcom is pretty bad about that too in asia.
>>338016063
Why would you pay to be forced into breaking the law a few years down the line when you could break the law for free?
>>338015752
Finding lossless audio is pretty damn easy for pretty much everything you might wanna download, though. Unless it's some real old shit, in which case it's likely that you won't find lossless versions by spending money, either.
>>338016042
Ya and the publishers hire devs to make new games. Its a cycle.
>>338015836
I still refuse to believe noone craked it just so they could wave their dicks around if for nothing else. And don't give me the uncrackable bullshit, if people can break into secured goverment computers, they sure as hell can crack some shitty vidya DRM. I guess there is something to the rumors about the scene being getting paid.
>>338016074
So you are cherry picking and then acting as if these exceptions prove the trend wrong?
thanks to Denuvo i can finally go back to play old games and git gud
>>338015919
I am guilty of this, some times I buy games I will never play because they look cool, and that gaping void inside my soul is temporarily filled when I get those games in the mail.
Sometimes buying something is more interesting than using the damn thing.
>>338016091
>Let's be honest here, there is no fucking way North Korea could occupy the USA.
I heard the devs wanted it to be China, but they were told to change it because having the villain be China could hurt Chinese sales.
>>338015995
That comic is highly inaccurate, DRM exists for the well being of both costumers and intellectual property owners, and because we love our costumers
>>338016063
He's saying if you try to circumvent DRM on something you've purchased, which you're likely to have to do at some point because of getting a new computer or operating system or losing access to an account or what not, it's illegal, so if in either case it ends up being illegal, you may as well do what is more convenient from the start.
DRM is anti-consumer. There is no escaping this reality.
>>338015919
I've been going through my backlog recently after being like that for a while. It's a nice sensation.
Just today I cleared REmake. It plays like absolute ass and the limited inventory makes it a backtracking fest, but I managed to enjoy it anyway. Things are looking up.
>>338015253
What fucking modding kit? There's a basic level editor. That's it.
You've got a game with a mediocre multiplayer and a 15 hour single player experience + what will equate to a landfill of same-y maps with pre-set assets. Is this supposed to convince me to fork over my money?
>>338011057
in craking stage
>>338016335
I know this is the bait, but how exactly DRM helps customers?
>>338016335
>>338016217
But you are still at the mercy of the pirate. They could do all sorts of things, include bit coin miners etc. You have no freedom you are either at the mercy of pirates who will try to infect your system or at the mercy of the publishers.
>>338016335
>If everyone would just buy our shit, we could even lower our prices! Everyone benefits!
>prices do nothing but rise
>content is cut and sold as DLC
>>338015275
>That's what demos are for, but for whatever reason developers seem to have abandoned to concept
They have abandoned it because they found out that releasing demos lowers sales. People play the demo, realize the game is nowhere near what was promised and not buy it. Without demos, all you can judge a game by are reviews, ad campaigns and hype, all of which are twisted by the developers in each games favor.
>>338015995
>shill meme
fuck off and die.
>>338011057
>You'll never be able to protect a girl like that because you're a frail, weak loser
>>338011531
>the desperate console cuck thinks he has won yet again
>Doesn't realize that even if I can't pirate it, I can family share it from a buddy for free
>worse comes to worse, I can get it off a key site for $30 while his console cuck ass pays $60 for a physical degrading copy
>can still pirate vidya, anime, etc that can't afford denuvo
>denuvo 2.0 will eventually get cracked and I'll laugh at you in that thread too
Just get the fuck out, you are a disgrace.
>>338016450
>But you are still at the mercy of the pirate.
But you are still at the mercy of the publisher.
But you are still at the mercy of the developer.
But you are still at the mercy of the DRM.
You have no argument, lad.
>>338016341
And what I'm saying is that there's more to paying things that not be called a criminal for not doing it. You can have the song you wanted either way, but you can at least pay for it.
And yes, I know that money doesn't necessarily go straight to the creator or whatever, but one way or another I'm pretty sure they'd rather their song sell than not.
>>338016335
>and because we love our costumers
You actually made me laugh, have a free "you".
>>338016518
and I brought up the publisher. Fucking read dingus.
>>338011531
the only game on this list I care about is Hitman, and I bought that one.
>>338016535
Well, if they want me to buy it they could make it available without DRM.
>>338011057
What's this picture context?
is there a story behind this?
>>338016147
I'm Asian but unfortunately I can't name any Capcom games that I want enough, probably because I never could play anything from them, but this usually happens to Asia, and on consoles too, at least I can make a US PSN account, but I can't do that as easily with Nintendo consoles (I think)
>>338016518
I do, you still aren't winning or getting one over because at the end you are someone's bitch either by money or by getting fucked over by a bad scene release.
>>338016578
So you either risk the publisher, or risk the pirates. Except in one case you pay money.
Seems like an obvious choice to me.
>>338016629
>doesn't want MH4U
>Playing a Denuvo protected game that I paid for because I'm not a pathetic poorfag
>mfw poorfriend steam friends message me whining that they can't afford it with their autism bucks
>>338011057
Denuvo are gonna force game companies to pay a lot for their shit and game prices will increase.
>>338016617
and more and more games are on gog sans DRM.
OH NO OUR GAME MADE 5 MILLION INSTEAD OF 6, THOSE DAM FUCKING PIRATES
>>338016707
>my only joy in life comes from feeling better than other people
>>338016707
smug mom
Has RoTR and JC3 been cracked?
Those are the only games I really care to play.
>>338016469
>wanting a frail, weak loser that needs protection
You don't want a gf you want a daughter
>>338016718
games are already 120 dollars. They just pieced out the price out.
>>338016771
One of the joys yes, I also enjoy playing video games that poorfag neets don't get to enjoy.
>>338016626
Denuvofags being delusional and thinking they're doing jack shit other then spiting the consumer. Also fuck you OP. Do you really need to make several Denuvo threads a day? Is there something want to tell us...maybe something about buyer's remorse on a Denuvo game? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm?
>>338016617
But why would you care? You can have it DRM-free either way.
I just told you that it's about paying for a product, not for the service.
>>338016639
Do you know how stupid it looks when you point somebody to a post that is already quoting them?
>>338016668
Except you are "someone's bitch" by both money, and DRM, and quality, among other things. You have no point.
>>338016706
the 3DS is cracked so there's that, funnily enough stores here only stock Japanese 3DS because "there are no games for the other regions"
I can also buy Dragon's Dogma I guess, I don't get why are publishers so inconsistent with this shit
>>338016535
Most would rather have people consume the media and talk about it rather than be barred completely.
These developers are getting the same money while the publishers just rake in your money. Yay, you get to see people pay someone already rich who gave no effort in the creative process and doesn't give a shit about you or your work. Yes, I'm sure they love it!
>>338016771
>>338016831
>responding to ruggrell
STOP
>>338015883
Still pretty easy to find blops and mw2 servers even with the shitty matchmaking of the latter.
>>338016871
I care because I'd prefer getting it legally without DRM than illegally.
>>338016783
>Has fall of the "tomb raider" been beaten yet
Why? It's an uninspired unoriginal third person shooter that shits on the franchise.
>>338014304
Not the guy you're talking to, but I never pay more than $20 for a game that I have not played before either through a demo or through pirating. I've sunk too much money into horrible AAA games over the years to drop $60 every time some overhyped game comes to the market.
When I find a game that I enjoy, I almost always buy it, and many times at full price. If I can't try it out on my own terms, then I skip it.
For the record, I could give two shits if someone else pirated a game that I had purchased at full price. It's in no way affecting my gaming experience.
>>338016964
I enjoyed the first game when i got it off SE bundle and i don't mind playing the 2nd one if it is fucking free. What is your problem?
>>338016867
Of course he does. There's a reason these marketers use the same pic everytime. It's forwarded to them by their bosses in either their marketing department, or its used by marketing teams at dedicated advertising agencies to be recognized by their systems so they get paid when they post to defend their product.
This is why those windows phone threads in /g/ used the same pic every time, this is why those old xbone screencaps used the same pic, this is why those ps4 threads always use the same picture. It's marketers trying to get paid and stir up shit like this thread to get money for each post they make.
These fucks dont care about DRM, games, or even the fucking industry no matter how harmful the product is that they're defending. They're most likely poo in loo's from india trying to fucking make money. Shit, if you range banned india and fucking australia 4chan would be a paradise.
>>338016042
Developers make more games if people pay for them so that they can get funded to make more games. The issue is whether the ability to pirate reduces or enhances sales, I suppose. There isn't really a great way to get solid evidence on that, as piracy and sales numbers are always obfuscated at fuck. Most of the Denuvo enabled games aren't exactly blockbusters, though.
>>338016079
>And it made no fucking difference, making your argument pointless. DRM is just an excuse to keep making bad games without losing sales. The best PC games ever made don't have DRM, you know why? Because people will pay money for good games. Retards like you will also pay money for shitty games stuffed up the ass with anti-consumer restrictions, so they don't need to make good games.
Totally. My point is more "fuck pirates who are on a crusade to get free shit and feel good about themselves as if they are making a statement" than to think DRM is always a beneficial thing that never hurts consumers. Let's pray GFWL never happens again and that I don't have to make yet another account for yet another godawful publisher specific service like UPlay.
>>338016871
>willingly wasting money on computer games just to feel morally superior when the average life expectancy is 80
Who gives a fuck? Honestly. If you pay, you get DRM. If you don't pay, you don't get DRM. There is literally no downside to doing so, and if you're worried about miners etc just build a separate, dedicated gaming PC with all that fucking money you're saving not buying every new shitty AAA meme game of the month release for $60 a pop and never connect it to the internet.
Denuvo is the closest yet to the most effective DRM, but totally uncrackable DRM is impossible.
What I mean by most effective is simply making the time required prohibitive. Professional software like Cubase has thousands of checks scattered throughout the code that require the cracker to invest a thousand man hours scouring hex format code for any SINGLE VERSION of the software. That shit is prohibitive.
With denuvo we get thousands of hardware specific code variations, which requires a similarly obscene investment to crack. I may be wrong but I get the impression that without workarounds and exploits as has been done, the code-scouring equivalent would be a cabal of machines with different hardware running legit copy(s) of the games to get the various specific bits, with pirates needing to have the most popular hardware for the crack library to include them in a timely fashion.
>>338015184
Pic related.
why is /v/ suddenly against piracy? you faggots pirate 3ds/music/tv shows. why is it bad to wanting free games? fucking bunch of hypocrites!
>>338011057
It wasn't proven uncrackable, there's simply nobody competent enough left to do something more complex than patching Steam dll and repacking game with their logo. Scene is dead.
>>338017196
>why is /v/ suddenly against piracy?
Because /v/ is suddenly filled with normalfags, people in their mid 20s who just got jobs and want to feel good about themselves for wasting their money, and third-world subhumans being paid in pocket lint to sing the praises of DRM in threads like this.
>>338011057
Hey, Rajeet, have you paid author of that image for using it in your advertisement? It's an intellectual property, you know. You are a thief.
>>338012898
Is that a boy
>>338017609
RAJEET BTFO!
>>338011553
unlock dat chakra senpai
It's a good thing I dont play video games
>>338017078
>Developers make more games if people pay for them so that they can get funded to make more games.
But that's not what happens even if they do go with a publisher that advocates DRM. They get abused, fired, and replaced.
Do I really have to dig up that image that shows the difference between the names in the credits of Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 3?
Meanwhile companies like CDPR directly pay for a developer employee's chemotherapy, radiation, and surgeries. EA does not do this for any development or publishing staff, and they should have shitloads more money than slavsquats.
>>338017646
probably
>>338017651
>>338017609
>that painfully obvious samefag
I guess you need SOMETHING to do when you can't play vidya. :^)
Posted from my iPhone.
>>338017461
pretty much this
>>338011057
>still doesn't buy DLC racketeered shovelware
>>338017046
It's a shit game, and there seems to be a lack of Tomb Raiding despite being a, uhm, what's the title of the franchise again? Oh yeah. TOMB RAIDER. Instead you get a shooter that ignores exploration and the whole TOMBs part, and treats them as filler optional side content. That's why.
>>338015569
fallout nv outsold fallout 3 because fallout 3 is fucking broken.
>>338011268
>spending money on atoms when you could use your own atoms
Fucking really?
>>338017743
Do you know what a post timer is?
>>338017063
I wish the fucking mods would ban blatant shill thread posters.
