>He fell for the "Overwatch has a low skill ceiling" meme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKidALuKSSA
It's not false, but some heroes just don't have much going for them ceiling wise which is depressing.
>she can she your tiny dicks through walls
Pharah has the highest ceiling
Bastion the lowest
>>337923034
>implying it doesn't
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiMJ-s4T16M
>>337923034
It does though.
>>337923034
It does. Please stop even bothering to pretend you care about this game because of its gameplay
>>337923034
>paying this much for anime game when you could just be watching anime instead
>>337923053
>a bunch of koreans/chinese/whatever
these people are shit, like euros in TF2
>Want to get to a high place as soldier in TF2
>Have to look down, jump, crouch, and shoot a rocket with proper timing for maximum height
>Want to get to a high place as Pharah
>Press shift
>>337925048
wow man what you said means so much!
>>337925048
>shooting the ground in front of you with a fucking bazooka
That is absolutely retarded. You would be blown to bits in anything even resembling real life. Get out of here you CoD baby.
>>337925048
Rocket jumping is piss easy. Overwatch is simple as well.
>>337925243
Most video games arent like real life you retard.
>>337925243
>CoD
what?
My main gripe with this game is how fragile the heroes are. Because of that it turns into a panic fest, spammy, non-comfy game. It's more annoying than fun. Other shooters at least have some technical fun to it.
>inb4gitgud in black letters
>>337925243
> rocketjumping is now making you a CoD baby
>>337925048
>Want to get somewhere
>Perform three simple actions that you can learn no time at all
>Press one button
>This is what I'm to use to indicate skill difference
Yeah you're so pro man.
>>337925048
don't act like rocket jumping is hard or complex, come on.
>>337925243
>ALL VIDEO GAMES MUST REFLECT REALITY
sorry about your autism :^c
>>337925657
dont act like using pharah is harder than soldier
thread predictions
>paying $60 for a tf2 clone
>being poor
>consolefags disregarded
>why play this when battleborn is better
>tf2 is dead
>moba
![[worried laughter].gif](https://i.imgur.com/bUqOkui.gif "[worried laughter].gif")
>>337925243
>>337923034
It does though. It having a low skill ceiling in comparison to TF2 and other FPS games doesn't make it any less fun desu.
>>337925403
>>337925539
https://youtu.be/Gqw4TGf1yTg
Get rekt
>>337925810
Damn nailed it anon
>>337923034
>He fell for the
>Overwatch is more than a shitty Waifu simulator game
Nice glasses, Tracer.
>>337925797
she's not though
how did my post imply that
are you ok?
>>337925243
This is really good bait and I like it.
>>337925657
It's still a skill that requires learning a soldier that has just started playing the game will have less mobility than an experienced soldier. This isn't the case with pharah
When do mods delete shill threads?
They always have some shitty OW art has op.
>>337926112
I like that Pharah
>>337926112
Damn I wonder what her armpits smell like
It's nothing weird or anything haha I'd just like to know for a few laughs hahaha I want to smell them
>>337926435
Like bo
What the fuck do you think
>He likes or has a passing fancy in Overwatch
>>337923053
couldn't have picked worse music for it.
>he cares about team shooters
lmao
>>337926206
>A new Pharah will move exactly the same as an experienced Pharah
Opinion fucking discarded. Most new players don't even realise the mobility conc blast brings to Pharah.You're probably one of them
>>337923053
>every second clips is people standing near each other and getting taken down by AoE
>all Genji clips are literally people that have their backs turned to him, not hearing the YUJINOGAYOKU
>literally 1/3 clips are zarya ults combined with another ulti
>only Hanzo clip was, again, people standing in one spot waiting to die
>all widowmaker clips were people standing still, wide fucking open, not even hearing "SNIPER, BE CAREFUL" when the heroes every 5 seconds blare it out
>on kings motherfucking row
>on the goddamn first cap
>sniper place is a fucking hallway above spawn that everyone knows there is a widow there, always
fuck i know this was beta but how are people this bad
i thought worst koreans were good at video games
Can't wait desu
>>337925945
I guess being able to crouch is also a CoD trademark now?
speaking of high skill ceilings did you guys know there is an unreal tournament alpha going on
>>337926637
Conc blast just shoots her forward
>>337926683
If I want it to be, yeah.
>week to go to launch
How's everyone hanging?
>>337924724
>Like Euros in TF2
Some of the best 6s and highlander players in the world are Euro
>>337926637
Call me when the conc blast lets Pharah do shit like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts5UfKRsvy8
>>337926206
of course a character from a fucking 9 year old game will have more discovered and refined mehanics than a character whose game hasn't even come out and only faggy lets players had access to it.
Not to mention most fags that claim to know shit only played the 2-day open beta.
>>337926793
>bought it at gamestop for tracer poster
>preordering it digitally gets you the game a day earlier
I'm not going to last
>>337923526
>Splash damage galore and free as hell aerial advantage
>Highest skill ceiling
Please, Pharah makes soldier look like scout level in terms of skill ceiling
Characters with the highest skill ceilings are Genji, Tracer and Widowmaker
>>337926642
koreans are shit at anything you have to aim, and those clips were trash
>>337926847
lmaono, they're shit, euro Hlander is literally years behind on strats, they had(tf2 6s is so dead they're paying people to play) some alright 6s players but there is nothing of note from euro HL
>>337923053
>The genji widowmaker reflect
>>337925250
You can't pogo
You can't speedshoot
You can't sync jump
You can't ramp slide.
>>337927034
I pre-ordered before beta, can i get there early too?
>>337926112
>Pharah
>Having Arms
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>337923053
This doesn't help your argument at all.
Most of those clips are just people flanking and pressing Q when the enemy team is bunched up.
>>337927354
all those "mechanics" were discovered years into tf2
>>337923034
>he fell for the overwatch has e-sports potential meme
Shit post all you want but keep it in 1 thread you cunts
>>337927354
That's great. Those have nothing to do with the actual act of rocket jumping, they're deeper jumping mechanics. Doing JUST a rocket jump is easy. That's the point you seem to be missing.
>>337926642
This your first montage? its not Overwatch exclusive that most montages are made up of short clips of people blasting idiots or new players.
One game having a higher skill ceiling doesn't imply that the game being compared to has a low ceiling, only that it is relatively lower. That is how scales work.
For the average and above average pub Overwatch is an extremely simple game to do well in. 80% of the ults and abilities barely require you to aim and works well in almost all situations.
Cheesing strats will also be the cancer killing this game because it doesn't require you to do much either.
Only at super high level (aka the competitive scene lmao) will any sort of skill ceiling be required.
>>337925657
It sure beats just pressing shift.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9notxSwwdY
>>337927540
No they weren't.
You think rocket jumping only consists of the basic jump they showed in the announcement trailer of TF2?
>>337927640
The point is Soldier rocket jumping involves much more than Pharah and requires a lot more skill to do. Not only can he easily do the jumps Pharah does, he can do far more stuff that makes. And yes, they're all completely relevant techniques that soldiers use regularly in competitive to stay mobile.
>>337927913
>That is how scales work.
It's not.
>>337928017
>It takes a 12 minutes video to understand rocket jumping
I don't care about TF or OW but whose this retarded?
>>337923053
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKidALuK
>Q of the game
>skill
Since when is pressing one button that does all the killing for you considered skill?
>>337927034
Nigger are you dumb? Digital preorder doesn't get you access on the 23rd. What you're thinking of is that retailers are allowed to sell the game or have it shipped to doors on the 23rd. They're doing this so that consolecucks and PC fags with a physical copy can download and install the game before it launches on the 24th.
>>337925048
Bind crouch and jump to the same button. Look down jump, fire. SO HARD OMG
>he fell for the overwatch is actually worth playing and isn't just good for the porn meme
>>337928175
Why don'y you watch the thing instead of being an ignorant retard?
I bet you couldn't do half of the shit that he talks about.
>>337923034
>20 tick blizzshit with "balance patch of the month" balance
>skill
You really survive on eating shit, don't you?
Should I grab the xbone or ps4 versipn?
>>337928336
>Directing your self in the air is hard
>getting timing right is hard
>canceling crouch into jump is hard
Nigga come on now. I enjoy TF but it's not fucking hard
>>337928175
It takes 12 minutes for you to learn about the basic shit, retard.
Now go out and learn the muscle memory of the different rocket placements and learn to airstrafe.
>>337928425
ps4 don't get the PC version since this a console port and runs bettter on console.
>>337923034
>he fell for the "listening to shills" meme
>>337928425
ps4 will have a bigger playerbase and is the more powerful system
>>337928274
>Being so fucking shit, you need need a bind to crouch jump
>>337927136
Even valve don't like HL
who gives a fuck where the ceiling is, I just wanna play more
fucking another week? What are they even doing just launch the game now.
>>337928535
>getting timing right is hard
>implying devoloping good timing doesn't take time and effort
What do you even consider hard then?
Next you are gonna tell me that being good at Sniper isn't hard because it's just clicking on the heads.
>>337923053
>that genji widowmaker reflect.
beautiful
I'm going to play Genji until I do this just once
>>337923034
That art ... Please tell me eroquis already did his thing for tracer.
>>337928087
You're still missing the point.
But I think I see what the problem is. When I (and many others) say "rocket jumping" I'm referring to the act of flicking your wrist downwards, clicking, and pressing jump+crouch. It sounds like you're thinking of it as whole package including the advanced stuff which is not wrong. It's just that in the context of this argument, that isn't what everyone thinks of.
Yes, high-level soldier takes more skill than high level pharah. I don't think anyone will argue with that.
>>337928836
Something hard is something that should require more then 2 minutes of playing around to figure out and do consistently.
>>337927136
>koreans are shit at anything you have to aim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcIEY9-mPn4
>>337923053
>collection of Q press, and terrible positioning.
>high skill ceiling
>>337929150
B-but it has waifus anon
Don't you like pretty grills?
>>337926793
Fuck, i literally had the idea for this picture few hours ago, while i was at work, and now i come home and someone already drew it. Muh 4chins fame
>>337928996
>implying 2 minutes is enough to master rocketjumping
Yeah that's why you see all those new players do circles around the map, airstrafe and market garden everything.
You are retarded. As I said I bet you can't do half of the shit from that video. Stream beating some rocket jumping maps if it's that easy.
>>337925606
To be fair you can pull off a lot of tricks with that combo.
overwatch crack when
i like junkrat's grenades and phara's bombs in terms of damage, feels a lot closer to quake than tf2. What are the odds of nerfing them in the short future?
>>337926681
kek, reminds me of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDfPCxVMrY4
>pharah has rocket launcher
>ITS THE SOLDIER!!
no
>>337926906
>it's a 'post soldier doing rocket jumping' episode
>>337928548
>>337928625
Do you think there will be a big difference in the playerbase?>>337928625
>>337928087
competitive tf2, heh
>>337929396
>wants a crack for an online multiplayer game
this kind of stupid takes effort
>>337929150
Totally ignores the flying widow maker plays
>>337928207
They're actually putting serves up at 7pm EDT on the 23rd.
>>337928535
>timing is not hard
Goddamn you are dumb.
You probably think yoyo is easy too.
>>337928909
Honestly, even in the basic jump, it takes more skill for Soldier to pull it off. All Pharah has to do is press shift and hover up to where she wants to go. Discounting the extra inputs soldier has, (crouch jumping) he also has to position his rocket properly and have the right timing to make sure he gets the right height. He also can't hover and he can't hold down w or he loses momentum. He needs to airstrafe, which isn't easy.
But yeah, Ill agree that at the most basic of basic jump level, the skill difference isn't drastic.
>People confusing skill ceiling with skill floor
Game is fucking easy, but FPS by nature have a relatively high skill ceiling to be the very best.
>>337929473
That's not an argument
>>337929607
which is like 8% of the video.
>>337929442
Nah the game is inspired and a return to 90s shooters.
It will stay this way.
>>337929626
Except they aren't. You're not going by that countdown timer from onlywatch, are you? Because that's wrong.
>>337929802
Which was still totally ignored.
I'd also like to see your 5 man Mcree ults or a reindhardt ult on a whole team
>>337928859
I played a lot of Genji and I got dozens of Widowmaker/hanzo headshot reflects in the beta. A handful of Mcree high noon reflects too. It isn't actually particularly hard. Most Widowmakers stand still. You just need to line up your crosshair on their head and wait.
>>337929857
https://twitter.com/Jaerock83/status/732402521243705345
>>337929481
more people will play on PS4
>>337929563
redpill me please
>>337925048
https://rpboyer15.github.io/sounds-of-overwatch/vo/vo_hero/Pharah/Pharah%20-%20Default/rocket%20jump.mp3
>>337929547
Just because gabe thinks esports are the devil doesn't mean the comp scene is shit. Though that highlander sniper lmaobox scandal was pathetic
Tracer = Scout who doesn't need any maneuvering skill because of her teleport and has an inbuilt ctrl+Z button for when she fucks up.
Torj = Engineer who only has one building which gets upgraded to max level 5 seconds, is free to build and repair, has virtually no resource management.
Pharah = Soldier who gets 6 loaded rockets, a free rocket jump + hover and something to push people away from herself.
Mercy = Medic who gets a medi-gun and Kritz built into one with a Quick-Fix utility for keeping up with her heal target and get's to revive people she failed at healing.
Widow = Sniper whose rifle charges twice as fast and stays scoped between shots, gets a trap to protect her from getting snuck up on instead of needing proper awareness an whose Sniper Rifle is also an SMG.
Didn't play Junkrat during the beta to see how he compares to Demoman.
>>337929752
That only really applies to the snipers and pseudo-scouts. All other characters have a pathetic skill ceiling
>>337927106
Pharah splash is worthless though, only way to do enough damage to actually kill anything is to get directs, unless they're an idiot that just stands around getting pelted with rockets.
>>337929990
https://twitter.com/PlayOverwatch/status/732351443559047169
>>337929835
>the game is inspired and a return to 90s shooters
I know Blizzard have implied this, but I don't see it. The game is not an arena shooter, it's objective focused and puts less emphasis on deathmatch than other FPS games. It also has very simplified movement mechanics.
Seems like the anti-Quake to me.
>>337930359
Not sure if that's supposed to disprove what I posted. I'll take the word of a Senior Game Designer for now, though.
>>337926435
http://m.wikihow.com/Tie-a-Noose
You should probably do it hahaha
>>337930101
no
>>337930214
Junkrat=Demo with unlimited pipebombs and martyrdom
>>337930214
Why is it when everyone does this shit they fail to point out that overwatch did the smart thing and removed the cancer that is critical hits.
Also mercy has no Uber.
There's no spy instakills
Junk rat can't lay traps on a wall, he only has nades.
Pharah can't move nearly as fast as a rocket jumping soldier and has no shotgun
Tolbjorn has no dispenser or teleporter
Widow makers uncharged headshot doesn't do 200 damage
>>337930452
And I'd much rather take the word from the official twitter than the word of the game dev from his personal twitter.
>>337930651
Alright then, Anon.
We'll see how it turns out.
>>337930651
but they said nothing
>>337923053
am i supposed to be impressed?
>>337930214
>Mercy
Juggling between heal and damage boost is actually pretty deep, anon. Same with how she can make a lot of use out of her fly The medic at least only has to focus on his one heal-beam.
Outside of crusader's crossbow shots, I'd argue Mercy is the only Overwatch character taking more skill than their TF2 counterpart. But that's more due to medics being piss easy.
>Widow
Venom mine is pretty obvious and does negligible damage. It also hurts her, so as long as a flanker gets behind her and past the mine, shes easy pickings. She doesn't have a get out of jail free card with the razorback.
>>337930641
>Junk rat can't lay traps on a wall, he only has nades.
He has a bear trap and a remote mine that he can place on walls
>Widow makers uncharged headshot doesn't do 200 damage
Does that really matter when her shots take a second to fully charge
>>337930214
maybe tf2 is more skilled but it's also boring as fuck
>>337929312
i'm sorry family
>>337930356
Really? I found her splash damage to be great. Maybe I just have good aim with her. After playing Genji, she feels like a god damn walk in the park and a free potg and 4 golds.
>>337930836
bear trap =/= instant kill sticky nades that can guard a point with a wide range when he's not looking
cant snap headshot tracers and genjis running at them, cant easily finish off tanks with quick headshots.
okay.
>>337930641
>fail to point out that overwatch did the smart thing and removed the cancer that is critical hits
Yeah, like half the custom servers in tf2.
>There's no spy instakills
There is really nothing wrong with instakills if they require an appropriate amuont of skill. But it's true that spies mostly rely on the lack of skill in the enemy team.
>Widow makers uncharged headshot doesn't do 200 damage
Neither do Sniper headshots in tf2. They are enough to instakill other snipers and scouts only.
>>337930836
The bear trap is easy to spot and can be smashed easily. He can only place one at a time and it has a long cooldown . Demoman on the other hand can instakill you with his sticky traps and immediately place them again, as long as he still has ammo.
>>337923034
>overwatch
>skill
>>337931128
>They are enough to instakill other snipers and scouts only
And medics and engineers and spies
>>337923034
>Torj = Engineer who only has one building which gets upgraded to max level 5 seconds, is free to build and repair, has virtually no resource management.
>is free to build and repair
>has virtually no resource management
Pick one you doubletalking faggot.
>>337930214
>Tracer = Scout who doesn't need any maneuvering skill because of her teleport and has an inbuilt ctrl+Z button for when she fucks up.
>Scout with an undo button
How does this not sound fun? It fits the role perfectly.
>>337930641
>Also mercy has no Uber.
You don't need Ubers in this game when Reinhardt can push with his shield.
Also she can revive literally multiple allied heroes.
>There's no spy instakills
No, just half the heroes in the games whose ultimates do that, or heroes who can stun you, great.
>Junk rat can't lay traps on a wall, he only has nades.
With infinite ammo to spam, I also don't know if this was intentional, but a bunch of his traps I came across were like half way into the ground mesh and incredibly difficult to spot.
>Pharah can't move nearly as fast as a rocket jumping soldier and has no shotgun
>Tolbjorn has no dispenser or teleporter
So their options are limited and they takes less skill to play, thanks for proving my point.
>Widow makers uncharged headshot doesn't do 200 damage
Neither does Snipers, its 150. Widowmaker's at full charge does that much damage (300 on a headshot) and naturally has much larger, slower targets in the game to hit.
>>337931253
What are even the criteria
>>337931128
>don't need to play on shit bag custom servers with bad maps and shitty admins and quake noises
>and engineers, spies, medics, most of a pyro / demo / soldier and half of a heavy.
>>337931253
how slow is this game?
Do we have a /v/ approved skill power rankings?
Something like
1) Dota 2/Melee
2) CS:GO
3) Starcraft
>>337931464
That's the mystery. I've ulted the entire enemy team as zarya, then killed them all while they were stuck - and the play of the game goes to a widowmaker killing someone with a couple bodyshots. I don't get it.
>>337931560
>DOTA
Kill yourself.
>>337931552
It's kinda weird, respawn times are really low but then it takes a while to walk to the front. Makes teleporters a lot more useful tho.
>>337931674
But I like life my man
>>337931560
1. arena shooters
2. rts
3. dota
>inb4 fight game nigger come
>>337925048
>want to get to a high place as soldier in TF2
>Have to look down, jump, crouch and shoot a rocket with proper timing for maximum height
>Want to get to a high place as Junkrat
>Have to look down, throw C4, jump, crouch and detonate it with proper timing for maximum height
>>337929895
Those aren't SKILL. Those are "Hey I found the game against a bunch of morons who clumped up out in the open and didn't run/spread out."
>>337931479
>don't need to play on shit bag custom servers with bad maps and shitty admins and quake noises
Wait, are you actually playing on pubs then?
Holy shit git gud.
>and engineers, spies, medics
Right.
>most of a pyro / demo / soldier and half of a heavy
The fuck does that even mean
If we are going to assumr that uncharged headshots can kill all classes if they have =<150 HP then the same applies to Widowmaker.
>>337930950
Not him, but Pdiddy splash is basically worthless. It can definitely wear down a squishy but counting on it do to anything will let you down.
Fuck, I had fun with the beta, therefore I'm going to BUY this game. Is it so bad to have some fun? Goddamn.
>>337928859
It's harder than it looks.
I cannot tell you how many times I died reflecting a widowmaker because they missed the first shot on a man moving towards them.
>>337931845
it means if any of those classes take a sliver of damage from a nade or something else theyre fucking dead instantly
>>337931560
>CSGO
>skill
Pick 1
>>337930810
>Juggling between heal and damage boost is actually pretty deep, anon
>does the person you're healing have full HP? Yes? Give them damage No? Heal them
>is the person you're healing getting shot at? No, give them damage (if they're at full HP). Yes? Heal them.
There's no cooldown between switching, it's not deep at all.
>Venom mine is pretty obvious and does negligible damage. It also hurts her,
This wasn't the point, it tells her when it's been triggered so it's a good alarm system if someone is getting close on top of the fact that her ult lets her see through walls.
Only way she gets flanked is if both of those failsafes are circumvented.
>She doesn't have a get out of jail free card with the razorback.
Razorback doesn't do shit against Scouts, counter snipers and pretty much any class who decides to focus on shooting you.
>>337930214
>Tracer = Scout who doesn't need any maneuvering skill because of her teleport
Saying that Tracer doesn't take any skill to maneuver because of her blink is like saying that Scout doesn't take any skill to maneuver because he can double-jump. It's a tool that you have to make skillful use of in order to maneuver effectively.
>Widow = Sniper who gets a trap to protect her from getting snuck up on instead of needing proper awareness
Widow's trap is a DoT, which means that while it MIGHT net you a retaliation kill, if somebody gets the jump on you while you're sniping you're still going down before they do unless you actually do have proper awareness to react quickly to their presence.
I get that you're trying to make it sound like every TF2 class is more complicated to play than their analog characters in Overwatch, but come on, guy. Either your argument sucks or your bait is weak, but either way I'm sure you can do better.
>>337931560
>rts
>arena shooters
>melee/fighting games
everything else can fuck off
>>337931560
1. starcraft 2
2. quake 3
3. melty blood
>>337931887
wow,I hope you die,you shitlord
>>337931827
The timing for c4 jumps is piss easy. He also can't airstrafe. He's demoman with what little "skill" demoman had sapped out.
>>337930883
>I don't like this 9 year old game which still has a very healthy playerbase after all this time!
Riveting input my man.
TF2 literally has nothing left to prove by surviving so long, Its longevity should be proven by the fact that Overwatch ripped a bunch of mechanics / ideas from it.
>>337931628
its most points in an amount of time
>>337926642
No one in Korea plays or even cares about Overwatch, the game will be DoA since it's not F2P.
>>337931884
I was consistently 2shotting full health squishies when I saw them, even if I wasn't getting directs. As for the fatties, I think it was just that I played much more cautiously against them and didn't try risky 1v1s up close against them. Genji makes you play much more conservatively
>>337932224
They barely ripped anything. Ripped would imply that TF2 created the concept and coined it in the genre. Most of the things shared by the two games are longstanding staples of the genre.
>>337932350
>No one in Korea plays or even cares about Overwatch
source?
>>337931414
Whoops, meant to quote >>337930214
>>337923053
>genji reflects that require zero timing because of the fact that it is a channeled ability with no resource management is skill.
>pressing right click on a lucio which instantly sends people flying anf they cant even do anything about it because the game has no air control is skill.
>pressing giant aoe q buttons is skill
I dont understand why people try so hard to act like this game is skillful. It takes all skill based around gunplay and tirns it into cooldown abilities.
>>337932075
>Saying that Tracer doesn't take any skill to maneuver because of her blink is like saying that Scout doesn't take any skill to maneuver because he can double-jump.
They're completely different.
Tracer's teleport is a lot more erratic and you can't predict where she'll end up, Scout inevitably has to land somewhere after his second jump and doesn't have an inbuilt ctrl+z button if his positioning is bad.
This is why good Scout's generally stay on the ground more using their superior speed to dodge shit / confuse their opponents rather than double jumping and making it easier for them to hit when they land or making themselves easier to hit in the air.
>Widow's trap is a DoT, which means that while it MIGHT net you a retaliation kill
Like the prior guy, you don't understand what I meant about the trap, it's killing power is not what I was focusing on.
>Either your argument sucks or your bait is weak, but either way I'm sure you can do better.
Yes my argument sucks, that's why you only attempted to refute 2 points and they weren't even good retorts, ebin.
>>337932730
Cool, I'm sure you can make some good money in tournaments then.
>>337932476
here
>>337932039
>There's no cooldown between switching, it's not deep at all.
Yeah it is. You need to decide during pushes whether it's better to be giving your pocket damage boost to kill their target faster or whether you want to heal them so they tank all the damage hitting them. Choose the wrong one and both of you die. And the fact that it has no cooldown makes it even deeper, because it allows you to freely switch between them mid fight. You could potentially sync when they fire with damage boost and heal when they aren't firing.
>so it's a good alarm system if someone is getting close
And if someone get hits but it, they're honestly bad. It sticks out like a sore thumb.
Her wallhack is bullshit I'll admit. All it needs is for it to be audible when widowmaker uses her ult, so you can wait a bit before attacking her. Hopefully that'll get patched
>>337931414
>Pick one you doubletalking faggot.
???
The only time he needs resources is for upgrading the sentry and shitting out armour, not once when I played him was I impeded from doing either of those things so that's why I said 'virtually no' and not 'no' resource management.
>>337932837
The only people who play tournaments in overwatch are hackers.
>>337931464
Basically the person who generated the most heat in the shortest amount of time + certain modifiers = PotG.
So let's say a Pharah killed 5 people on the point on Lijang tower. Later that game, a lucio wall rides and kills the entire enemy team as the crossed the bridge to mid by using his sonic blast. However, PotG goes the reaper who ulted on the point during the first round, because he killed 4 people on the cap while it was 96% in their favor, capped the point, and won the round.
That's an example of how PotG works. Reaper won even though he killed 4 people, he got a modifier bonus for killing all enemies on the cap when they were close to winning the round as well as for helping his team secure the point.
Lucio got modifier points for a team kill, but didn't get PotG because he lacked the time factor modifier and the capture modifier.
Pharah pulled off a good ult, but got no modifiers whatsoever because she didn't secure the point (she can't cap when she's flying too high), she didn't get the team kill (we're assuming 1 person lived and didn't get caught in her ult), and there was no time factor bonus.
So here we are again. Another thread where TF2 loyalists who never properly supported their game, are angry that Overwatch is taking over.
>>337933178
Why did that Winston get the PotG then? He did literaly nothing.
>>337933178
>lucio wall rides and kills the entire enemy team as the crossed the bridge to mid by using his sonic blast
Lucio would ALWAYS get potg for this. pit kills are weighted WAY too much. a team wipe doing that would net him the potg every time
>>337933352
that webm is probably edited, i've never seen something like that in game
>>337932824
>Tracer's teleport is a lot more erratic and you can't predict where she'll end up,
But that's bullshit. She blinks a set distance in a straight line. What's "Erratic" and "Unpredictable" about that?
>This is why good Scout's generally stay on the ground more using their superior speed to dodge shit / confuse their opponents
This is exactly what a good Tracer does, too.
Yeah she's got the undo button, but it's got a fairly lengthy cooldown relative to the pace of the game, and in the context of every other character and what they're going to be using to try and kill her, it's a reasonable and balanced part of her kit.
I'm not going to try arguing that TF2 is inferior to Overwatch or that Overwatch is a deeper, more complex game, because I don't believe either of those things. TF2 was and remains a very solid game. But the comparisons that you're trying to make are full of fanboy-style bias, and I'm not okay with that.
>>337929752
In most shooters (modern ones) the difficulty boils down learning how to aim and that's it.
>>337933180
>over 30 million people have played TF2
>the game has had a steady population for several years
>the Overwatch beta had no effect on TF2's playercount
I don't see how Blizzard latest rip-off is gonna take over a better game that's also free to play.
>>337933352
There used to be issues with PotG cams, but in reality he probably damaged a bunch of the enemy team before getting killed, and his team finished them off. He got PotG because everyone else in that match sucked serious ass and his kill participation credit was the only thing worthy of PotG.
It's rare, but it happens. Especially when it's a round full of noobs.
>>337932940
>whether it's better to be giving your pocket damage boost to kill their target faster
She heals at 50HP/S and damage increase is 30%
If they're getting shot at it's less about which one you decide to give them and more based on how well your heal target and the enemie(s) shooting at them can aim which you literally can't decipher on the fly. If you're heal target gets an additional shot in because you're healing them then that would effectively be a 100% damage increase which would take 3 boosted non-missed damage shots to almost match.
It's not about you, it's about the person you're healing and whose shooting at them.
>And if someone get hits but it, they're honestly bad. It sticks out like a sore thumb.
It's literally not difficult to hide to get people around corners, on walls, behind objects etc, if you put it right on the ground in the middle of nowhere, yeah, it's probably gonna get defused.
>>337933585
>doesn't know hackers are rampant in unregulated competitive communities
Hundreds of "professional" players were banned in TF2 after the most recent ban wave. CS:GO is also filled with them. SC2 pros also started fixing almost every match since they don't make money anymore.
The current esport revolution is a fucking scam outside of the most popular games.
>>337933634
I'm talking about you /v/ermins now something new is out you talk scared.
>>337933881
My point was that the game hasn't even been fucking released yet so I'm not sure how you could make that sort of sweeping generalization.
>>337933498
>But that's bullshit. She blinks a set distance in a straight line. What's "Erratic" and "Unpredictable" about that?
It's instant and she has 3 of them, your brain cannot keep up with that.
>This is exactly what a good Tracer does, too.
Well there's no benefit to Tracer jumping unless she's trying to get on an elevated position or over a gap combining it with her teleport.
>Yeah she's got the undo button, but it's got a fairly lengthy cooldown relative to the pace of the game
This isn't that relevant at a 12 second cooldown time, she just doesn't reengage until it's back up again or she spots an easy target. Just like a Scout retreating for a medkit, except he has to escape the situation with no special abilities which render him invulnerable and gives him health back.
>>337923034
She looks awfully similar to Major here.
>>337934027
>I'm talking about you /v/ermins
I have played TF2 for a long time, not everyone in /v/ is the same, maybe you should go back to circlejerking on reddit m8.
>>337933498
>>337934153
Forgot to add:
>TF2 was and remains a very solid game. But the comparisons that you're trying to make are full of fanboy-style bias, and I'm not okay with that.
If you can't see how TF2 is Overwatch's primary influence then I don't think you've played much TF2.
>>337934038
Hacks are already available so there is no reason to assume people aren't already abusing the fuck out of them.
>>337934323
>40 bucks game
>Bnet account permaban on first offense
Cool for them I guess. At least Tf2 is free and you can simply make another account.
>>337923053
As someone who played in the CBT, this video was very unimpressive.
I've seen way better. Half of the kills in this video are just others using their Q's while Zarya's Q is sucking everyone in.
How is that "montage" worthy?
Also who the fuck does montages anymore? What is this Halo 2?
>>337934153
>It's instant and she has 3 of them, your brain cannot keep up with that.
Has your argument seriously degenerated to the point that you're literally telling me you're too slow to play Tracer?
>Well there's no benefit to Tracer jumping unless she's trying to get on an elevated position or over a gap combining it with her teleport.
Yes, that was my fucking point. You're telling me that there's no real pointing in a Scout hopping around like a monkey all the time, and that he is played skillfully by running circles around his opponents to disorient them. I'm saying Tracer is played the same way.
>This isn't that relevant at a 12 second cooldown time, she just doesn't reengage until it's back up again or she spots an easy target.
There is no gametype in Overwatch in which you win by racking up kill points, so as long as you're removing her from the fight by forcing her to chicken out with rewind and hide in a corner until it's back up, you're outplaying her. Twelve seconds is a long time for a player to be standing around doing nothing, and that's if you don't just follow her into her corner to finish her off anyway.
Besides, there are plenty of characters who counter her rewind pretty hard - I killed plenty of Tracers in the open beta by tricking them into rewinding themselves straight into a Junkrat trap.
>>337933787
>you literally can't decipher on the fly
You can decipher when your teammate is firing if they're using a character like roadhog where the fire rate is slow and his moves are predictable. sync your damage boost to when he fires off his shotgun and heal during ghe reload. You essentially flash the damage boost when he fires. It sounds damn hard, but I can see it being doable. what matters is whether your pocket does enough damage quick enough to kill them before they kill either you or your pocket. Which one you choose depends on how healthy the opponent is. If the opponent is weak, but has chipped you pocket down, the damage boost would be needed before they can fire off more shots to kill the pocket. Damage boost allows classes with slow fire rates to kill faster classes before they can grind them down. Mei for example needs to be killed quick, so dmg boost is better against her. It doesn't matter if you're healing them, if she freezes your pocket, that's it.
>>337934552
Most hacks take years to detect or are never detected.
>>337934315
>If you can't see how TF2 is Overwatch's primary influence then I don't think you've played much TF2.
Where in any of my posts did you see me say anything that even vaguely resembled "Overwatch shares no similarities with Team Fortress 2?" I need to know.
>>337934863
You sound like a real expert on the subject, anon.
>>337935008
>Overwatch shares no similarities with Team Fortress 2
But that's wrong you fucking retard. There is no similarities, it's literally TF2 with ultimates tacked on.
>>337932396
>>337931884
>>337930950
>>337930356
>>337927106
Pharah has good splash damage, but the splash radius is tiny so yeah she still needs to aim.
>>337935096
You don't need to be an expert to know things everyone but the most retarded ignoramuses (like you) know already.
>>337935132
I can't tell if you're "Baiting" me or actually missing the point this fucking hard. You're telling me that I must not know TF2 very well if I think it wasn't Overwatch's primary influence, but I never said that I didn't think it was Overwatch's primary influence.
In fact, my very first post in our discussion talked about the fact that you're comparing Overwatch characters to "Their TF2 analogs," which I would take from your position as a pretty clear indicator that I understand that these characters are heavily influenced by TF2 classes.
Either you're too stupid to follow this conversation or you're out of arguments are are just flinging random accusations at me hoping something will stick now.
>>337935280
>Pharah
>splash radius is tiny
>>337935479
So what's the point then, you retarded cuck bitch, you're admitting this is TF2 0.5?
20 tick
>>337935479
>You're telling me
No, I am not the person. You are just a very transparent retard and everyone that has played both games would think the same.
>>337933180
Pretty much.
But let's be real here, if it's being made by blizzard, it's going to be filled with nothing but microtransactions, mains complaining about other characters, game breaking nerfs and buffs and not to mention tons of cosmetic shit that nobody cares about.
Even the Japanese are unsure about this game.
>>337935583
>Blizzard actually thinks that Overwatch is the next big esport
>>337933881
That isn't how accusations work. You need to provide evidence. I could wildly assert that you are terrible at shooters and good play is virtually indistinguishable from cheating at higher levels (i.e. not yours).
Provide evidence, or shut the fuck up.
>>337935893
where do I buy this cocodemon plush
>>337932837
Great deflect anon, you really showed me me skillful overwatch is!
>>337936083
He's right though. If the game is super easy to be proficient at (the definition of a low-skill ceiling) you shouldn't have any problem winning enough to make some money, right?
>Genji and Hanzo are Japanese and a ninja and a yakuza
>McCree and Soldier 76 are American and a cowboy and a gun lover
>Pharah is Egyptian and is tattooed with Ancient Egyptian mythology stuff
>Reaper is Mexican and can teleport past walls
>Soldier 76 is American and loves guns
>Tracer is British and speaks like the chimney sweep from Mary Poppins
>Junkrat and Roadhog are Australian Mad Max rejects
>Mei is Chinese and builds walls
>Torbjorn is Swedish and builds low-quality things out of spare parts
>Widowmaker is French and says things like "Ooh lala"
>D.Va is Korean and a pro Starcraft player
>Reinhardt is German and wears a monocle
>Zarya is Russian and gigantic
>Lucio is black and a deejay
>Mercy is Germanic and likes valkyrie iconography
>Zenyatta is a white guy's understanding of Buddhism
>Symmetra is Indian and supports the fucking caste system
The only non-stereotypes are Winston and Bastion, and only because they aren't human.
>>337935652
Maybe, maybe not. I don't know really. The only real reason TF2 loyalists are really getting up and arms and have ammo against those who like to play Ovewatch is because there is an initial price tag to it.
>>337935819
They sure talk about foreigners a lot.
gunz the duel was one of the hardest games ive ever played and nothing can compare to it
>>337935819
>>MGSV is a giant sack of shit. It's the result of Western open world influence in our games.
>Why are you so Korean?
>Toriyama is an homosexual Korean
>American please go back to America
>Why can't Americans make Japanese characters who aren't Ninja/Yakuza?
I think Japanese people are too butthurt about Koreans and Americans.
>>337935940
It's basic extrapolation, if you cannot do this then I am sorry about your double digit IQ.
>it's another Overwatch players can't admit TF2's influence over the game episode
Also some nice extras
>Roadhogs a big fat smelly guy who throws a hook at people = Pudge rip-off (Doa 2)
>Tracer's recall = Weaver's Timelapse (Dota 2)
>Reaper's teleport = Corvo's blink just done slower (Dishonored)
If this game didn't have so many waifus / anime characters in it people wouldn't have given a fuck about it and it'd be in the dumpster with Battleborn.
>>337928887
http://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=3169706
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>>337936179
>Symmetra is Indian and supports the fucking caste system
What? Where?
>>337935819
>Bayonetta
>had sex
Dumbass fucking coinslot eyed faggot
>>337935940
Not him but it was damn big news a few months ago. Especially in CS:GO.
>>337936179
This is why I don't understand why people think Overwatch has interesting or funny characters.
They all feel so phoned in and sterile so the game can appeal to kids.
>>337934840
>you're literally telling me you're too slow to play Tracer?
Not him but I think he's making the point that you can't COUNTER Tracer like you can the scout because she has 3 fucking instant teleports
>>337923053
Some of the video like that genji reflect or midair snipe from widowmaker is pretty cool, but almost all of is like Q's on Q's. And almost every ult in this game is guaranteed free kills.
>>337936172
>you shouldn't have any problem winning enough to make some money, right?
That assumes the game will ever have a proper competitive scene.
>>337929396
wtf
>TF2 players constantly bitching that Overwatch isn't exactly like TF2
Where did you guys go? I haven't seen you guys in years.
Were you just hiding this whole time?
>All these people saying Overwatch has a low skill ceiling
I guarantee 100%, all you people saying this, are shit at the game, are shit at all FPS. Go play Quake if you're such a pro. You're not. You're just a 3rd world brazillian poor fuck who's mad that they can't buy this game.
>>337936507
I'm bitching that people think Overwatch is even remotely as good as TF2
>>337936392
Reel em in
>>337936179
>>Reaper is Mexican and can teleport past walls
>>337936392
>Dota 2 invented going back in time
>Dishonored invented teleporting
>>337935940
>You need to provide evidence
Where do you think we are?
>>337936193
Yeah, I see where you're coming from.
I'm not initially too interested in these types of arena shooters, but based on all the asshurt it's generating I gave the beta a shot. It wasn't that bad. There's plenty of ways to get past "OP" characters and I'm liking the tactics behind certain levels. But since it's blizzard I'm a bit skeptical, especially considering that certain cosmetics are locked behind RNG.
>>337936545
>You're just a 3rd world brazillian poor fuck who's mad that they can't buy this game.
Don't underestimate brazilian snipers anon, i've seen some shit and they always find a fucking way to buy gamesThet probably mug someone i dunno
>>337936392
This is one of the most common and shitty arguments against any game. The atmosphere, art, characters are a huge influence in the enjoyment of a game. And deriving designs from other games isn't inherently bad.
>>337931560
No, a lot of people on /v/ are shit at or generally uninformed when it comes to games and likes to circlejerk about empty notions of "skill". All tell, no show.
>>337936409
So is this worth it if you have no friends? It looks fun but I don't want to waste £38 on something that sucks with public randoms.
>>337936545
Why does it always boil down to this fucking argument here?
Did you ever consider that people are skeptical as fuck about giving Blizzard money after Mists of Pandaria, the cash shop, and dumbing down their previous raids in order to "appeal to a wider audience"?
>>337937092
>Mists of Pandaria
I think you mean Warlords of Draenor.
>>337936172
Once again, nice deflect. Were talking about skill ceilling not tournaments themselves.
Budokai and ninja storm have tournaments but does that make them as skill intensive as guilty gear?
Halo has tournaments but does that make it as hard to learn as unreal?
Overwatch shills seem to mistake good plays with skill, which on a basic level does require coordination and skilled teamplay. The problem is that every fps with 6v6s does the same and since aiming is so easy in the game or shutdown by ability usage theres very little wiggle room for players to flourish based on individual skill, especially with movement. So they make up for it based on team composition and more characters rather than you know, actual skill.
Nah but ill totally drop 40 bucks for he hight competitive skill based fun that is overwatch! Be sure to check out my twitch stream!
I got killed 2-3 when I strafe into cover because of the shit server tick rate, this better be fixed.
>>337936920
>So is this worth it if you have no friends? It looks fun but I don't want to waste £38 on something that sucks with public randoms.
There is no pubstomping since the game forced matchmaking system will force you to players of your approximate skill level. And there is very little content.
Maybe it's worth it if you are a tryhard and wants to climb in the rankings.
