why does bloodborne get so much unfair flack when its genuinely the best souls game?
Laurence
>DURR LERIC BEAST ON FIRE XDD
Champion gundyr
>best boss in the game desu :P
Good good thread again. Haven't seen it in an hour.
>>337920172
Who fucking cares
>>337920172
Wait what?
>the best
how?
Also is more like
>Laurence = Demon Firesage
Gundyr is basically the complete battle of the first "boss" one.
Laurence is a fucking clone with the lava gimmick at the end.
all souls games are mediocre at best, fuck off already
>>337920503
Are you retarded? Laurence has nothing in common with the firesage except the fire gimmick (which doesnt work similarly at all)
Also its the objectively best out of them all
bosses and enemies have the biggest movesets and most depth, weapons have the biggest movesets and most depth, no garbage filler items recycled from the other games, nothing in the game is unfinished/ rushed filler, graphics and the graphical effects are the best in the series, writing and the lore is arguably the best and most interesting
And I even like the european dark fantasy setting of demons souls better (maybe even dks3 in some areas/ things), bloodborne is simply mechanically the best game
>>337920603
well memed
>>337920781
No my point is its basically the same as the first boss but with fire. With a gimmick at the end. Even the music is the same with some fixes.
About all the weapon part is subjective , about nothing rushed , nigger Chalices exist and the mensis part is rushed as fuck.
I prefer DS lore but that is subjective too.
Mechanically BB is not that great , they are not punishment for just dash and dash.
Biggest moveset? i don't know man , maybe only Maria because other bosses have 4 or 5 attacks at best.
>>337921286
>Mechanically BB is not that great , they are not punishment for just dash and dash.
you are clearly an idiot who doesnt know what he is talking about
the punishment for "dash dash" is that the bosses are designed with high mobility in mind, they use giant sweeps and gap closers which will destroy you if you try to mindlessly spam dashes, especially since the one defensive move in the game which has 0 iframes is the backwards dash
>About all the weapon part is subjective
There is nothing subjective about it, all souls games except BB recycle insane amounts of movesets while the weapons are shallow as shit to begin with, with a max of 4 moves
there is no difference in which straight sword you use in dark souls 1-3, with the exception of one pokes with the strong attack and one slashes- all the "depth" idiots think is there is simply reskins and slightly different stats
> about nothing rushed , nigger Chalices exist and the mensis part is rushed as fuck.
chalices are simply extra content which has nothing to do with the maingame- also do elaborate on what is exactly rushed about mensis
>Biggest moveset? i don't know man , maybe only Maria because other bosses have 4 or 5 attacks at best.
Ludwig alone has probably more moves than the entirety of dks1 maingame bosses, the boss NEVER has to twirl around like a retard because it has moves designed to fuck around idiots who think the boss is limited in its moveset or would have obvious weakspots
>No my point is its basically the same as the first boss but with fire
cleric beast is a good boss to begin with unlike asylum demon and laurence is actually important to the lore/ the fight plays completely different, even the first phase even if it looks similar on the surface- biggest reason retards complained about laurence being too hard is that they tried fighting it like cleric beast
>>337920172
half of bloodbornes content comes from the dlc
>>337921872
also id still add to this that you actually fight Laurence in the chalice dungeons already, the headless bloodletting beast
the dlc directly states that the version of laurence in the hunters nightmare is the already dead cleric beast he became, while the skinned and beheaded, transformed dead body is in the maingame
It doesn't, it gets the same amount as every Souls game, you just get more ass mad about it. Every single one of these games has numerous flaws and on websites like /v/ its hilarious how obvious someone's favorite is based on how they react to the criticism for it.
>>337921872
the dash is not punished man , i did that and i can dodge 99% of enemies attacks.
About the weapon part in the end is just
>Flashy things/pve:BB
>stas/balance: ds
but i can see why you think like that , also DS magic is great but i think BB did a ok job with the hunter tools.
Chalices are not extra content,they are part of the main game.
Mensis just ends and that is it. Also Nurse is like 2 steps after the last boss.
I know it makes sense to Laurence to be another beast but still i was dissapointed with the dlc battle , the only hard part is the lava gimmick and still is just not worth it , the founder of the church is just a reeskined boss.
>>337923091
> the founder of the church is just a reeskined boss.
retard, learn to read
>the dash is not punished man , i did that and i can dodge 99% of enemies attacks.
>durr works for me :)
Also if youre stupid enough to say that big movesets is "flashy" and just say the depth-less pieces of shit that dark souls has is "balance", youre not worth "arguing" with
>also DS magic is great
yeah that cemented it, zero credibility
Bloodborne is an amazing game cause it stripped away expected crowd pleasing in favor of dev vision
das3 is trash and is suffering an exodus cause its game design by committee and ages like milk
Das3 showed me fromsoft cannot make decent seqeuls and ill avoid them at all costs
dispite miyazaki's insistance that he doesnt allow to many suggestions into his games, das3 is by far the biggest panderfest ive seen,
>>337921286
>Dash twice in a row.
>Get cleaved by slow sweep clearly designed as a tech trap.
A ton of bosses punish this behavior specifically, and roll mash.
>>337923301
is the fucking cleric with fire attacks man.
This is the founder of the church not just another guy.
The transformation weapons on BB are basically two hand/one hand.
In DS you are a mage/warrior so i can see there are not crazy weapons.
In BB they went crazy and it worked.
You can dash thought every attack on BB mate. The game is design to be like that. To reward aggresive players and punish the defense ones.
See Paarl for example of that.
>Hur DS magic is bad
How?
>>337920172
Bloodbourne would've benefited with going full action game instead of sorta having the minimum of RPG elements
Laurence was a DLC boss tho, you pay extra for that shit
Ludwig is best
On topic Fromsoft are a good dev, but everything Japan Studios touches turns to gold, which is why Bloodborne is so best.
>>337920172
Console wars
>>337920172
being the shiniest turd is nothing to be proud of OP
>>337920172
lol
Why do Bloodborne fans seem to exclusively use fully patched Old Hunters for arguing against release Dark Souls 3?
>>337921872
>the punishment for "dash dash" is that the bosses are designed with high mobility in mind, they use giant sweeps and gap closers which will destroy you if you try to mindlessly spam dashes
When will this meme end.
BB is the best souls game, no doubt. Best boss fights, best atmosphere, best other buzzwords.
Small weapon used to disappoint me, but then I realized having less weapons meant more were viable, each weapon served purpose and was usable. Easily the best souls game.
But spamming dashes isn't punished at all. You can spam dashes through just about anything in the game.
I enjoy every Souls game until I end up in a swamp. Like right fucking now. Am I near the end in nightmare frontier?
>>337924214
Because sadly the base game is not that great.
So everything is Maria this , the horse that.
>>337923990
everything youre saying is exposing you as more retarded
there are two laurences in the game and nothing is "cleric with fire attacks"
>The transformation weapons on BB are basically two hand/one hand.
go kill yourself, its obvious you havent played the game
>You can dash thought every attack on BB mate. The game is design to be like that. To reward aggresive players and punish the defense ones.
as you can do in any souls game
"dashing through every attack" is not the same as mashing O
>Hur DS magic is bad
shooting different skinned soul arrows and applying blue buffs to your weapon or shield sure is an amazing magic system
>>337924105
and coincidentally enough it was the only optional one
>>337924214
probably because thats the current state of the game
demons souls never received DLC and id still rank it above dks3, 2 and 1
and as a site note I hate the PS3, the console has nothing to do with that decision
>>337924264
>You can spam dashes through just about anything in the game.
spamming dashes is probably less viable than not dodging at all
>>337924379
the base game is literally the only souls game where the quality never dips at a point
>>337924343
The swamp is pretty short, once you get up high again you're nearly there. Make sure to go past the obvious boss entrance and activate the shortcut elevator.
Is bloodboorne even in the same category as dark souls? It's the same shit but I didn't think it was compares to each other.
>>337920503
Champ is weaker because he doesn't have the wild abyss phase. Champ while being a fun fight is fucking simple. I am not saying laurerence is better pre say but champs a fucking chump.
>>337924471
ones a horror rpg while the other is adventure/action rpg they really aren't comparable but faggots will anyway to trigger people and get yous
>>337924456
>the base game is literally the only souls game where the quality never dips at a point
agreed, ive played BB for a long time, at launch it was a top quality game, and post dlc its even better
the most important thing the dlc gave the game was a psudeo tomb of the giants to chip away at as you progress thru the game
>>337921286
Bait.
Shit like HBB has like 10+ moves with variations per phase.
>>337924456
>only optional
This would change my opinion of the fight if there was 1 more boss or 1 more area, but as it stands Laurence just feels lazy as if they needed to throw in something extra to make the DLC seem worthwhile, while in reality it reuses not only a previous boss, but a previous boss arena. It's so fucking lazy, it's on par with Blue Smelter Demon. And this is the same dlc with Living Failures, another joke boss fight.
>>337924456
>there are two laurences
The fuck?
>>337922236
this is confirmed?
>go kill yourself, its obvious you havent played the game
But i have the plat man , it works that way. It get another attack/range.
Also what about crystal/dark/pyro/thunder magic?
Also i never got punished because i dashed to much. The hunter just dash even when he doesn't have stamina.
>where the quality never dips at a point
what are mensis and Yahar'gul.
>>337925072
>with Living Failures, another joke boss fight.
the only joke boss fight is maria, the living fails are amazing
>>337924456
Demon's Souls never once drops in quality.
>>337925098
>crystal/dark/pyro/thunder magic?
reskins with different stats
>this is confirmed?
brador is wearing laurences (the headless bloodletting beasts) hide and uses his original weapon (the bloodletter)
>>337925368
literally every third level is shit except in boletaria which coincidentally enough also has a fourth one
>>337925368
>that final boss
>that boring sting ray in the sky
>that boring qiuck time event dragon boss
>>337925669
>sundering the sky apart with storm ruler
>bad
Kill yourself
>>337920172
yeah its a great tech demo
>>337925758
Gimmick fights and people who enjoy them need to disappear and never come back
>>337920172
Because PCasuals are mad that they can't play it
>chalice dungeons
>hunter encounters are harder than the boss fights
>chalice dungeons
>a lot of backtracking to do
>chalice dungeons
>chalice dungeons
>chalice dungeons
Chalice dungeons ruined the game
>>337925929
Faggots who can't enjoy a good gimmick now and again need to kill themselves. I bet you want every fight to be just like Champ Gundry from DS3 huh faggot.
>>337925996
>good
>>337926113
>tearing the sky apart
>not good
Your shit taste just keeps showing son.
>>337925368
>"""""The quality never dips."""""
>Shrine of Storms (all of it, including bosses).
>Boletarian Drawbridge.
>Defilement Swamp.
>Stonefang Mine (all of it minus Flamelurker and Armor Spider).
They're all shit.
>>337926163
sorry im not into "cinematic" gameplay anon
>>337925996
>good
Literally "Equip this weapon and you win the fight"
>>337926272
>anything about that fight
>cinematic
did you even play it or are you just spouting buzzwords you got off youtube videos?
We should have seen this coming.
How did we not see this coming?
After all the praise of bloodborne simply for being a PS4 exclusive, how did we not expect Sonyggers to shit talk DS3 to oblivion when it became instantly more popular?
Be it more popular because most people haven't played BB or not, it doesn't matter, this shit is horrifically annoying and every day we have to sift through these threads about people trying to build up a game that isn't even in the top 20 most sold PS4 games simply because they want validation for buying a PS4 as their only gaming source for gen 8.
Maybe we are all living in the Hell we deserve.
>>337925951
>Completely optional part of the game unless you care about trophies
>Hur dur it ruined the game!
They weren't even bad. Some of the bosses and areas were cool.
>>337926430
I think you quoted the wrong post there, hero
>>337926368
I'm an idort and stand by Bloodborne being a fuck ton better than DaS3.
>>337920172
>bloodborne
>souls
U saying wot son of basterd bich
>>337926680
I'm an Idort as well and believe the exact opposite but you don't see me making a thread about it 5 times a day.
>>337926368
>when it became instantly more popular?
and dropping like a rock
>>337926680
this
why is it that everyone who has played every souls game says bloodborne is the best, while peacocks usually claim bloodborne is only praised for being exclusive and whichever the newest souls game on their platform is, is the best?
oh wait
>>337926938
Idort here, BB is great yes but I just can't bring myself to finish it because I suck at the faster combat, I'm much more used to the Str sword and shield in Souls
>>337926938
>everyone who has played every souls game says bloodborne
This is false , not everyone mate.
Yummy.
Nice tasty exclusives.
>>337927123
>I'm much more used to the Str sword and shield in Souls
Use Ludwig's Holy Blade or Wheel.
>>337927252
its been like this since ps2
woah
Dark Souls is much better, Bloodborne still great btw
>>337927123
try 1 handed wheel and a bone ashed pistol
>>337927513
oh or an amy arm
>why does bloodborne get so much unfair flack
Because PS4 exclusive. It's the best and highest rated Souls game.
Bloodborne is the worst in the series, next to Demon's Souls.
Not that I think it's BAD. All Souls games are good. But Bloodborne is incredibly stale and linear. The weapon variety is neat, but not neat enough, and in the end it's really brought down by how limited your access is. The vast majority of weapons are blocked off to the mid and late game, making the first half of any BB playthrough feel very boring and samey. Chalice dungeons are awful. Blood gems are wasted opportunity. Armor is functionally meaningless.
In the end I'd say the only thing I think Bloodborne really does better than the rest of the series is bosses. BB bosses are fantastic. Gascoigne, Lady Maria, Orphan, Gehrman are all some of my favorite bosses of all time. But the whole rest of the game is pretty boring and not worth multiple playthroughs, which meant that of all the Souls games, I stopped playing BB the fastest.
>>337927340
>Wh-who c-c-cares? It's like this on all consoles!!!
Except that is objectively incorrect.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Xbox_One_video_games
Just look at Xbone's top selling games.
>Halo 5, Forza 5, Forza 6, Dead Rising 3, Gears Ultimate, Rise of the Tomb Raider Raider, MCC
None of these are available on Playstation 4
>>337927678
>Armor is functionally meaningless.
this is the best meme
>>337927678
>Not that I think it's BAD. All Souls games are good. But Bloodborne is incredibly stale and linear. The weapon variety is neat, but not neat enough, and in the end it's really brought down by how limited your access is. The vast majority of weapons are blocked off to the mid and late game, making the first half of any BB playthrough feel very boring and samey. Chalice dungeons are awful. Blood gems are wasted opportunity. Armor is functionally meaningless.
If this didn't mention chalice dungeons and BB by name you'd essentially be talking about DaS3.
>>337927678
Weapon variety is better than any other souls game
Armor is useless because it's a fast game and heavy armor would slow you down
Chalice dungeons aren't bad. Just boring
I like it the best.
The rest I agree with.
It's fun but got frustrating after Rom.
Also the story is a shitshow, but I never cared for the storytelling style that From uses.
>>337927812
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PlayStation_4_video_games
>>337920172
Exclusive.
>Bloodborne never drops in quality
I love this meme. Tell me all about how great Byrgenwerth is with its 5 enemies and an NPC hunter followed up by a boss that literally sits still waiting for you kill it and hoping you get impatient with the spiders.
>Yahar'gul
Almost entirely reused enemies with nothing more than bell maidens respawning them as a gimmick with not tower knight at the end
>Upper Cathedral
Once again a single new enemy type that is completely useless
>Orphanage
More ayylmaos followed up with the worst boss in the entire game, thankfully Ebb is right after
>Lecture Building
The students or whatever have a cool design, unfortunately they serve no purpose other than to drop the framerate to 20
>Nightmare of Mensis
Worst gimmickfrenzyin the entire series is here, if only for a minute at least. You then get to go fight Memeolash who does nothing but run away from you until you stunlock him in a corner, another top tier boss
Finally after fighting some weaker Shadows you get to see Mergo who looks intimidating at first but is literally a Dark Souls 1 tier boss that is completely fucking useless if you stand behind her
>Oh whoops game's over, better go run through chalice dungeons so you can fight some actual good bosses like Abhorrent and Bloodletting
Bloodborne is just as flawed as every other game in this series with major low points
lack of build variety and different playstyles.
at the end of the day all you're really doing is changing weapons, it's not like DaS1 where you can be a slow as fuck chunky piece of shit fatroller in heavy armor with a spear and greatshield or be a GOTTAGOFAST flip faggot with a zweihander wearing shitty rags and shooting magic missiles everywhere.
Every character you make in BB has the same movement options unless you (for some insane reason) actually invest in Arcane to use Old Hunter Bone even though magic is retarded and useless in BB.
Beyond that you're pretty much forced to learn how to parry unlike DaS where you can block behind a shield all day or forgo that and just dodge everything.
Bloodborne is a great action game but a shitty RPG compared to DaS.
>>337927812
DELETE THIS
>>337927812
>Rise of the Tomb Raider
I specifically remember this game absolutely tanking horribly. What the fuck happened?
>>337920172
Are you fucking stupid m8. Go to any Dark Souls 3 thread and you will see someone shitting on it and sucking Bloodborne's cock every 10 posts. I mean the game was only shat on by angry PCucks at at release since they couldn't play it, but after everyone saw how great it was, BB was pretty much left alone. You can't have any DS3 thread without some fanboy posting about how Bloodborne is better. I fucking hate sonyggers, they're just as bad as PCucks.
>>337927678
>>337928483
to be fair DaS3 sucks, I did actually beat it which means it's a better game than 2, but I'd rate it far lower than DaS1, Demon's Souls, and Bloodborne.
>>337928321
>lack of build variety and different playstyles.
every weapon has a fucking play style in BB
>even though magic is retarded and useless in BB.
>>337928321
>magic
>bad
Who keeps perpetuating this meme? Arcane is retardedly strong now and actually fun as fuck to play with the Ayymode parasite.
>>337928220
Agreed. Ironically the most consistent game in the series, quality-wise, is actually Dark Souls 2.
>>337928729
it's true
instead of being a 10/10 game for the first half and a 3/10 game for the second half like DaS1, it's just a 4/10 the entire time.
Very consistent.
>>337927657
>highest rated
So is the force Awakens and Avengers Civil War 4 star films?
>>337920172
pvp is shit and there isn't much build variety
>>337928194
Nice try.
Here's the real list.
Not a single exclusive
>>337928706
>implying I'm going to pay 20 dollars for literally less than 4 kilobytes of a key that unlocks shit that's already patched into the game
in the base game Arcane was dogshit, don't give a fuck about Old Hunters.
>>337928684
Sure, but do we already have daily threads like >>337915427 and that one autistmaking the DS2 "apologize" which are dedicated to talk about the flaws and shortcomings of DS3. Do we really need to shit on it and compare it to BB on threads talking about bosses or gameplay?
>>337928935
Civil War was pretty good.
>>337922236
>id still add to this that you actually fight Laurence in the chalice dungeons already,
That was fan speculation before the DLC was announced. People also believed that the forgotten madman was Ludwig.
>>337929049
>"Putting DLC in a patch to allow online play with people who have those items is bad" meme
>>337928885
More like 8/10 all the way with the DLC being 9/10
>>337929034
post the xbox list
>>337920172
There are plenty of problems with it. FPS has been show to drop as low as 14 FPS, 20-25 is pretty normal.
Additionally there can be stutters where the game is not drawing frames for up to a second where some unexpected pop ins occur or clipping happens.
Load times in some areas can be up to 55 seconds. Almost a god damn minute to reload an area where you are sitting at a black screen.
So basically it's a souls game, where timing in king, where the game can suddenly drop frames or stutter, causing you to miss a roll or die from no fault of your own and then make you stare at a black screen for almost a minute in order to try again.
The game itself could of been great, but they did too much with the models, and too many details for the hardware is was meant to run on.
Maybe the game will be playable on the neo, but the fact that I could boot my computer, launch a Dark Souls game and start playing in the time I was staring at a black screen in BB, made me put it down and not touch it again.
>>337929350
>thinking it's acceptable to pay 20 fucking dollars for a 1.5 kilobyte ini edit
>>337929401
>8/10 all the way
>>337929431
so you'd prefer the DLC download to be the 5GB patch and require you to pay for it otherwise not be able to play online with people that have it?
Even if you don't own the DLC it still adds stuff like the league and madaras whistle
>>337929401
>this is what apologizefags actually believe
Don't tell me, you play Souls games for the PvP and not the PvE.
Laurence is a slow shit pile with way too much HP, Champ is a fast, fun and intense fight.
>>337929545
I'd prefer to not be insulted and expect them to think that paying 20 dollars for a fucking ini edit that probably changes a single value from 0 to 1 is a sane thing to do.
Post Hunters
>>337929695
so u would prefer a split userbase?
>>337929049
It's the best DLC I've ever played, so I don't know what you're doing really.
>>337929808
Yeah, over paying 20 dollars for a fucking ini edit.
>>337929424
55 seconds? Bullshit, more like 20 - 30 max.
>>337929695
>>337929869
you're stupid and have autism
>>337929695
You're paying for access to the DLC content. Three areas, five bosses, new enemies and weapons. Why be a dumb cunt about the method of distribution?
>>337929992
yeah i use a 7200rpm drive and my longest load time is 15 secs
>>337930181
yeah that doesnt happen anymore that was patched, like around summerish 2015
>>337923091
>the dash is not punished man , i did that and i can dodge 99% of enemies attacks.
DaS3's roll is exactly the same, and also requires basically 0 fucking stamina to use.
>>337930306
Oh it's OK to launch a barely playable game as long as you do a minor performance tweak months down the line after people have either finished or quit.
>>337924773
Holy shit nigga I thought I was bad with like 700 hours.
Why'd you never go above BL60?
>>337921872
Bloodborne is by far my favorite but chalices were definitely unfinished and might be evidence things in the main game had go be left out.
You guys really find it that hard to enjoy more than one of these games at a time?
>>337929431
The edit is what you get... What you're paying for is access to content that took a development studio months to create. I mean, how retarded can you get?
>>337924564
This. Just beat Champ last night, everyone built it up to be difficult. Hell, you learned the basic mechanics of the fight 10 minutes into the game. It's just a little faster and more intense this time.
I kind of preferred Iudex, if only for the variety of the second phase.
>>337930476
>Your argument got gutted and now you throw a fit
>>337930527
cause i get a nice summon and invasion range and depth 5 chalices feel satifiying to run at mid/low level
>>337930306
I own the game, bought it at launch and bought a ps4 just to play it. I didn't spend nearly 500$ to play something I wanted to hate, but the performance was so abysmal, it ended up being the only souls game that I never did a ng+ never did pvp, never did an expansion. I finished the story blind, watched the other endings on youtube and said fuck this. I don't ever want to deal with that bullshit again.
The hardware held it back, made it worse then it should of been and left me with a 400$ paperweight.
>>337930901
thanks for your life story anon,
Here is your (pic related)
>>337929407
Not him but here it is.
He's probably just a shitposter but in his defense there are a lot of true exclusives and console exclusives on here. The PS4 lost has none.
It's one of the reasons if I did ever consider getting an 8th gen console, I'd probably get the X1 because I'm not paying $400 just for bloodborne.
But honestly at this point I'll just wait for the next consoles to come out next year.
>>337931095
I own both the PS4 and Xbox One, I would not recommend the Xbox One over the PS4.
>>337920172
>Doesn't even have Souls in the title
>retards keep calling it as Souls game
>>337931263
>has the same exact fucking base gameplay and design as a Souls game, down to the leveling and currency and co-op/pvp/player message system and EVEN THE NOISE FOR COLLECTING BLOOD ECHOES IS THE SAME AS THE NOISE FOR GETTING SOULS
>HURR BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT GAME
>>337931095
all i see is a bunch of frogetable "exclusives" that got rushed out to make an "xbox holiday"
MCC on there proves the list is a joke.
I wish we had nice BB threads.
>>337931538
It's a shame the first phase of the fight is RNG dogshit that's completely unfair, because phase 2 is actually really fun.
>>337931064
>>337930868
Start a thread asking why people don't think bloodborne is the best Souls game. people bring up a valid critique so just performance issues and then the Sony shit posters go nuts and respond to every critique with the equivalent of u mad bro.
This is why the game is ignored on 4chan.
>>337931480
MCC is literally the best collection game I've ever bought.
Yes, it had a shit launch and was pretty bad for a while.
It's been perfectly playable for a while now. Almost every weekend I play in full lobbies of 16 players, many of them from the good old Halo 2 and 3 days.
I'm literally reliving my high school years.
>>337931617
>It's a shame the first phase of the fight is RNG dogshit that's completely unfair,
wut...
In terms of overall quality of the content I'd have to say BB is the best. The combat is by far the most enjoyable, and the trick weapon system shits all over weapon arts IMO.
BB is also the second smallest game though (DeS being the smallest), and this helps its consistency. In DaS1 and 2 there are very visible points where the game drops in quality where they begin to outstay their welcome.
There's also a myth that BB has 'no builds' or all builds play the same which is completely bullshit. While it definitely does have less builds than DaS, it still has a fair few which are all viable and fun to play. Bloodtinge, Arcane, Skill, Strength all have their unique strengths and weaknesses. Then there's Beast Mode and AYYY mode which fundamentally change the entire way your character plays, and is the first and only time FROM have gotten that right after fucking up, what, 3 times with dragon form now?
BB's thesis seems to be quality over quantity in general. Just look at the Arcane Hunter's Tools, they're so much more fun and visually interesting than anything magic in Souls, but there's a LOT less of them. It's also the only game where magic has required some actual skill to be good at.
Then there's the weapons, which there are a lot less of but every weapon is 2 in 1 and have a far larger moveset than any DaS counterpart, on top of simple little things like being able to switch into and out of 2H mode mid-attack, where as with DaS you STILL have to stop your current combo, press triangle, then start a new combo. Just little things like this that make the game more enjoyable to play for me personally.
Finally as for bosses, it was the first game to give a huge focus on phases and have multiple phases for each boss fight, the bosses all have huge movesets too and the emphasis on limb damage brings a real sense of life to the boss encounters IMO. Thankfully DaS3 also put more emphasis on phases too, but for some reason dropped the limb damage for the most part.
>>337931538
>I wish we had nice BB threads
but we had those mate
Sorry if you are late to the train
>post yfw Maria wasn't talking about herself when she says 'A corpse should be left well alone'She's talking about Kos
>>337931480
And all I see on the PS4 list is literally nothing.
>>337931736
I do not know why you are qouting me and saying "start a thread" i didnt start the thread, so i stopped reading your response, but i happned to glance at the bottom sentence
I see topics on this game on /v/ almost hourly
>>337931812
first phase he infinite spams unpredictable as fuck attacks at random, it's complete fucking horseshit.
Who the fuck designs a boss where the first phase is hard as fuck and the second phase is piss easy?
Please don't bring up Sif, Sif moved into the second 'phase' only when near death and barely fought back (which was the point), not at 55% health with a whole new moveset.
>>337931617
Really? I find his first phase to be really predictable. I can do his first phase on my waste of skin character without taking damage easily because of how telegraphed his moves are. Second phase wrecks me in about 20 seconds though.
>>337932080
even the game's wiki and the official guide says phase 2 is piss easy compared to phase 1.
and Future Press did the guide, they know their shit.
>>337931881
yes cause the ps4 is a software gaint and its 2.88 million 25th slot beats out like 20 slots on the struggling console
Just like the ps2 days, where the mutiplat sales were strong
WEW
>>337932292
Difficulty is subjective, that's not what I was trying to argue, if it came across that I was then that's a mistake on my part.
I'm trying to argue that his first phase is not dogshit, and is just as fair as his second.
>>337932412
Yeah, Halo 5 if it were on the PS4 list would be tied for #23
>>337932412
>"the PS4 doesn't need exclusives because it has multiplats"
What the fuck?
>just like the PS2
Kill yourself if you actually played multiplats on the Polygonstation 2
>>337932412
>>337932680
His point is that the Xbox exclusives are selling.
The PS4 exclusives are not selling.
No wonder so many of them are "ALSO ON PC" releases.
>>337932740
since you choose to be selective
R&C reviewed higher than 99% of xbox one games
not only that, where the fuck are your 90+ rated exclusives???????????????/
>>337932080
>>337932560
>>337931617
Whatever your views on the mechanics, can we agree it's the most emotionally impactful boss in the Soulsborne games?
Just the fact that this is what has become of this great hero who we hear about throughout the game really hits home. And the fact he seems to still be relatively lucid makes it harder to comprehend the fall of such a legendary figure.
It blew the fuck out of Sif in terms of emotional impact for me, but then again I've never had a dog.
>Its a Bloodborne vs Dark Souls thread.
>...again
Go outside and find purpose in life anon, you're better than this.
>>337924773
How? BB has like the least replay value in the series.
>>337932890
is ps4's list showed numbers below 2.88 then ud see alot more of the exclusives :/
>>337932936
Second after Gehrman for me.
But yeah, I get where you're coming from, it's just that a boss that's trying to save me at the cost of himself has more impact for me.
>>337933048
i laugh in the face at this meme
>>337932890
>"ALSO ON PC"
oh like the direction xbox is taking with all first party games going forward
>random Xbox fags come into thread all of a sudden
Is bloodborne really that triggering? Still?
>>337933274
Its not a meme, skill is by far the best stat and the only one you need unless you want to fart around with arc or blt, but they're so situational that they still pale in comparison, str and str weapons are outright shit except whirligig which is basically an apology. There is no equip burden on top of armor being useless so you don't have to make any sacrifices. The game gives you a pitiful amount of upgrade materials so you'll have to stick to a single weapon for most of it. Sequence breaking got taken out so no fun shenanigans.
>>337934091
>str and str weapons are outright shit except whirligig which is basically an apology
I assume you mean Skill and Strength but what are you actually smoking
>>337934091
you know jake shit, when i do dab in pvp and level (i usb reset often) i use 1 handed str builds with high bloodtinge pistols, when i get a parry i do a jumping r2 attack instead of a viceral. its almost always a 1 shot,
shit you wont find on youtube.
>>337934479
jack*
>>337934390
No the stat sucks and the weapons suck
>>337934479
Right forgot about the Bloodletter, theres two good strength weapons compared to skill where every weapon is good except the Rifle Spear.
>>337934754
>No the stat sucks and the weapons suck
You're retarded and don't know anything about anything
I can't speak for anyone else but I find the whole gothic setting/aesthetic really boring/uninteresting personally, although I also am not particularly big on the medieval setting/aesthetic of other Souls games either.
>>337934754
the bloodletter is shit compared to
>>337927513
a parry with a bma and a jumping r2
i level this guy to 120 and usb reset often
all 2 handed weapons are complete shit in BB
even the wheel 2 handed form is easy parry bait
true BB pvp is 90% gun
>>337932926
>using reviews as a metric
Opinion discarded.
Discount sales figures all you want, at least they're an objective metric.
>>337935152
oh yes cause sales sales sales are the way to go!
>>337934847
Am I? Strength increases charge attack damage, have fun sneaking up an enemies and landing one, or better yet on a boss while it screams and combo resets you. The Kirkhammer sucks, the Hunter's axe is only good for the charged r2 and rally potential, LHB and Beast Claws are both quality weapons unless you infuse the LHB. Skill increases visceral attack damage which you can do on the vast majority of bosses and enemies, in fact many bosses are made significantly easier by viscerals since they have so much goddamn health.
>>337935152
the xbox one sells half as much as ps4
xbox one confirmed half as good as ps4
>>337935368
im not that guy, but if you know enemy poise breaks, you can pull off safe charge moves
>>337928220
I don't know why Micolash, The Witches, Emissary, and Rom get to be main game bosses while Descendant, Yharnam, Watchdog, Abhorrent, and Bloodletting are stuck in the Dungeons.
>>337935368
Both Kirkhammer and Hunter's Axe are great, you fell for the PvPer joke where they don't like using Kirk in pvp outside of the charged hammer attacks. Blunt damage also breaks limbs faster on bosses, leaving them open and to take more damage. The wheel is purely blunt and also has cool arcane bonuses to it, and yes, it does pretty well, even on beast bosses.
On top of that both Kirk and the Wheel are great for stunlocking most any mob outside of Cleric Beast sized enemies. They're fantastic weapons, and both are good with enemy Hunter NPCs to.
You probably wouldn't know that literally every weapon is very viable and are all pretty good because you probably played it once on NG then never again.
bloodborne was supposed to be demon's souls-level discussion in respective threads
what went wrong?
>>337920172
But Champion Gundyr is the best boss in the game
1. He's THE CHAMP
2. them wrasslin and mma moves
3. his swings and movements look like they have power behind them
4. combos.
>>337935430
It's certainly half as popular.
"Good" is debatable.
The Wii crushed the PS3
>>337936726
Pre-release false flaggers orchestrated a console war centered around it harder than Israel has played the US since the second World War and it never stopped
>>337936503
>Rifle Spear is literally the best PvE weapon in the game
>It's boring so no one uses it
>>337937129
What makes you like the Rifle Spear anon?
>>337937129
>best
>boring
isn't this contradictory?
>>337937405
I mean, Dark Sword in Dark Souls 3 is arguably the best for PvE but it's just an R1 weapon
>>337924564
wild abyss phase is easy.
just stand 3 feet
he uses easily telegraphed, easily dodged move that leaves him open for 5 seconds
hit him
repeat from step 1 till HEIR OF FIRE DESTROYED
>>337938879
even easier if you started off as a pyromancer
>>337927678
>>337927678
>Worst in the series
>when Dark Souls 2 exists.
nah. there was a reason why From (besides being incompetent shitheads) ignored 99% of Dark Souls 2 with Dark Souls 3 (i wish they didn't tho because DaS2 had some legit good mechinanics within the game)
>>337931480
MCC is great though. Shit matchmaking but the game itself is great for everything you're getting. Literally 4 games on the disc with ODST patched in, so actually 5 for 60$. That's a fuckton of content
>>337929049
You don't even need the DLC for Arcane to be good. It's better with the DLC but you know the thing they do called patches? They used them to buff the shit outta Arcane.
>>337920172
>why does bloodborne get so much unfair flack when its genuinely the best souls game?
Because it's an exclusive, and if I can't play it, it's literally a shitty meme game.
>>337920172
Because it's a ps4 exclusive, that's it.
>>337932080
That's just negligence on your part cause for phase 2, you literally just hug and wail on him until he does his extremely long and telegraphed moves that even a limbless person could dodge as they're given enough time to do so.
>>337920172
>why does bloodborne get so much unfair flack when its genuinely the best souls game?
Could it be how most of the time it's brought up is for NEVER EVER shitposting?
That being said I like BB most out of DeS, DS and DS2, but a lot of that has to do with not being able to turtle behind a shield and the setting.
In short, change.
Mecha Souls never ever;_;
>>337940312
I want Cyborg Souls.
>>337937129
They patched the Arcane exploit months ago.
Best PvE weapon is Pizza Cutter
>>337937290
Many, many boss tend to fall victim to the Rifle Spear's charged R2, since it makes the player run, allowing for more distance to be put between you and the boss. Logarius, Gherman, Gascoigne, the Shadows, Ludwig, Laurence, Wet Nurse, MP, and CROWSTEEL are child's play with it. Same goes for many basic enemies like the trolls, mobs, executioners, spiders, even winter lanterns. You charge in with the poke, dash back and repeat. It's the safest, most effective weapon in the game, but it can be boring to use. Only Rom becomes a nuisance because the straight poke of the non-transformed mode can't get around her constant rotating.
>>337940312
Let Miyazaki get his hand on armored core again and I think you may see a combination of 4a combat scaled down to a more exploratory game
>>337940805
That's an interesting thing to hear since it's one of the few remaining weapons I haven't given a full NG+ playthrough of
>>337939572
>MCC
>great
>to this day, H2A co-op is wonky as fuck.
If they made a patch for MCC that got rid of halo 1,3 and 4 and H2A was 102% stable, i'd be all for it.
>>337920172
Because both PC and Microshitter fanbase are asspained they can't play it.
>>337940150
Hardly negligence. As a waste of skin he either one shots or two shots me. Some of his sword swings are to fast to dodge when I'm attacking, which would be fine if I was properly leveled because I could just tank it.
>>337928935
The Force Awakens is not the highest rated Star Wars film, you fucking retard.
>>337942421
>tank it.
anon I...
>>337920172
I've literally never seen this game get flak. And that's even WITH the occasional buttsore pcuck crying about. Light shitposting aside, it is generally agreed here that it's a good game.
Please kys.
>>337942630
>from game
>flack
they could release a fucking moba and /v/ would play the shit outta it.
>>337942630
>I've literally never seen this game get flak.
You were not here for release which was a measly year ago you literal newfag, it's the single most shitposted game in /v/'s history by miles
>>337942752
>>337942825
Seems we have a difference of opinion here. So who's really the newfag?
I'd also like to point out that shitposting from A YEAR AGO doesn't qualify as flak in the current context. Current BB threads are generally fine, so OP is a fag.
>>337943428
A year ago is one thing, but it never stopped
