Was it really THAT bad?
being OP? Yes.
>>337889362
It was pretty good
It was bretty good at the time, but fallout 4 did everything better.
It's literally one of the worst video games of all time. But that at least gives it some charm.
>>337889590
/thread
>>337891003
retard
>>337889362
Yeah it was so bad that is won goty and made the Fallout series so popular.
>>337889362
Better than NV. In before vocal obsidiots bawwwwww
>>337891505
Here's your___^
It's dumb. It's story is bad. It's nowhere near as good as the original two. It's watered down significantly. But it's also kinda fun. I'd rather have Van Buren though. West coast is so much more interesting.
>>337891495
>>337891505
this is the audience that thinks Bioshock Infinite is deep, anon.
and New Vegas soldmorecopies.
>>337891821
What the fuck does Infinite have to do with anything?
If you think the story is bad, fine. But it's still a very good game and set up the hype for new vegas.
very good exploration. unlike in new vegas, i never really wanted to save and quit in fallout 3, i just wanted to keep discovering new locations. however the poor writing/dialogue really holds it back and makes new vegas a contender for the best 3D fallout game.
>>337889362
It's pretty terrible. Garbage writing, terrible weapons, like 10 ammo types, not enough quests, bad AI, poor world design and too easy to max everything. Better than """"""""fallout""""""""" 4 though.
>>337889362
It almost killed the franchise for original fans and also made it more popular than it would ever be if black isles studios continued work on van buren
I'm still wondering what the fuck is happening
Base game is pretty bad.
Point Lookout was pretty fun though
I liked the lack of invisible walls.
>>337892914
lol so quirky xD
>>337891003
But that's not Oblivion.
>tfw fallout 3 for 360 is the only fallout game I've ever played
Didn't even play any of the dlc.
Am I missing out?
>>337894272
you need to play point lookout, it's an incredible DLC. the other DLCs are quite forgettable though.
I found it much more enjoyable when playing it in Tale of Two Wastelands, it is amazing what a few minor gameplay changes can do. Unmodded, I found the Rube Goldberg machine and Tranquility Lane really memorable. More memorable than most other games that I enjoy more.
>>337894328
>implying the Pitt is missable
>>337889362
Not even close. Fuck the idiots here. With all dlc its at least an 8.5/10 (where NV is a 9/10 game lets be honest). If you can get the game of the year edition somewhere do it. Ive played and replayed the main game and all dlcs and they are all awesome.
tl;dr:
Was it bad? Yes.
Was it THAT bad? No.
For everything Fallout 3 did wrong, it did something right too. The story is absolute garbage and it falls apart as soon as you start to think about it thanks to ridiculous plot holes and things happening for convenience sake. There's barely any opportunities to make your character your own, no matter how hard you try to role play you're still always going to be some little shit with daddy issues. There's also the liberties the game takes with pre-established canon, Fallout 3 is infamous for this in particular.
It's not all bad though. The map's layout rewards exploratory curiosity which works really well with the new open world first person format. A couple of the side quests are interesting and have multiple solutions. The Pitt is a very good DLC with genuine moral dilemma.
If you're a fan of Fallout then you'll hate this game.
If you're a fan of Bethesda-style "RPGs" then you'll love this game.
I personally love fallout 3, 4 and nv, the rest I haven't been able to judge for myself, but in terms of lore and overall feel, the fallout series has captured me. No other rpgs really compare, except for the elder scrolls. Even then, I still prefer fallout.
>>337894814
nailed it
>>337894814
>barely any opportunities to make your character your own
But you can make a very unique character even with that premise. It's just like being the courier in NV. It's a starting point and the player's motivations don't even necessarily have to fall in line with that.
>"RPGs"
implying they aren't
>>337894328
Just don't forget to play point lookout on very easy or easy since the hobos deal 40 damage per shot and they ignore all of your dr
>>337894814
>if you're a fan of fallout you will hate this game.
Yeh, no. Thats just not true. Especially with the dlc, its a great fallout game. Ofcourse there are plot holes and things happening for convenience sake. But the people that say this are the same people that think NV does not have any plot holes or things that happen for convenience sake. I mean, jesus christ, you start the game by surviving a point blank shot to the head.
My point is, if you are not a faggot who just repeats what they read here on /v/, you will like fallout 3.
If you don't care about Fallout and good gameplay then you'll love Bethesda's efforts
>>337891821
Honestly I don't get people saying the first two had amazing stories.
I have a mountain of technical gripes about Fallout 2 where the devs got lazy.
>>337890760
noice bait.
>>337895327
>being forced to join the "white knights BOS"
>>337895485
>white knight
>they all kinda think their mission is bullshit but their Elder controls everything
>>337889362
It's the only game I started playing hyped but ended up destroying the disk in anger.
However standards dropped so hard that some poor folks can call it "good".
>>337894646
>with dlcs
>2 garbage dlcs with 2 okay ones and 1 good one
fallout 3 is a solid 7/10 at best.
>>337894814
>If you're a fan of Fallout then you'll hate this game.
>If you're a fan of Bethesda-style "RPGs" then you'll love this game.
This is the only answer.
The series got hijacked by Tod so it's obvious why people are mad.
>>337895748
lol
>>337889362
>But what do they eat?
>>337889362
>nro-v unironically saying fallout 3 id anything but garbage
sure is summer in here
>>337895327
The problem with Fallout 3 is by the time you get to the level cap you have no real reason to not have 10 in every attribute and 100 in every skill. Sure you can specialize in the early game but mid to late game you'll be using skill points on shit you don't ever use because you'll have nothing else to spend them on. New Vegas handles this much better by reducing the skill points earned per level and not having any retarded game breaking perks like "Almost Perfect."
>>337895442
Surviving a 9mm to the head is not as far fetched as movies and video games have led you to think. Have you ever heard of the "T Zone?" It's the area on your face where your eyes and nose are located that is almost guaranteed to be fatal if shot. The Courier was not shot here. He/she was shot in the forehead.
>My point is, if you are not a faggot who just repeats what they read here on /v/, you will like fallout 3.
That's total bullshit man.
>>337895442
Fallout is about choice, and having those choices have to make the player, become morally conflicted, most of that is untrue within FO3 it's mainly i'm doing this because I want to or because I'm Playing an evil character, the point is to prove that evil can be justified like good not going beyond that superficial level. in Addition, the player has little choice in the main line as well, ( I am aware that this is tru in the originals as well that's why NV is so open ended in it's main questline)
>>337895442
>its a great fallout game
No it's not
It's Oblivion with guns.
And that is what it will always be.
If you don't like Bethesda style "RPG" you will not like Fallout 3.
>>337895580
who, they all seemed pretty content with their mission to me who within the East BOS thinks its BS
>>337895976
>by the time you reach the level cap...
Most people have to go out of their way to get a perfect character. If you're just roleplaying and crafting a character, you'll definitely have extra points but that doesn't mean you become god despite yourself.
And both Almost perfect and the Nuclear perk at level 30 were both broken as fuck. Almost perfect didn't really change your stats that much unless you went out of your way to avoid bobbleheads and min max.
This game is pure garbage. It's ugly, made on a ugly engine with badly made function, with ugly graphic, with shitty dialogs (atleast it has skillcheck/perkcheck/ and RPG elements of fallout 1 and 2 but badly done), shitty character, no depth or consequence, no real "choice" in the ending, and they even failed the FPS part of the game because it's also shit.
this game is garbage and everyone liked it because it was their first fallout.. and it was mine too. Until i grow up and seen how i've been scammed. Fallout 4 is better than .. this piles of shit.
>>337895976
It's possible to nearly max everything out in NV too by the time you reach level 50.
The thing is with both games is that you won't be spending most of your time playing at the level cap, especially if you're doing going the competitionist rout.
It's not like 4 where you have infinite radiant quests to grind after all.
I liked it.
>>337895991
What choices did you have in the first one exactly?
>>337889362
On it's own? Not entirely. Story is shit with or without other Fallouts to compare it to, but it has a decent amount of exploration.
As a sequel to Fallout? Yep. It took away stuff that made Fallout... well, Fallout. Not all of it, but enough to split the fan base like it has. Fallout 4 is worse in this regard, but at least that played around with some interesting mechanics knowing full well that it has taken some aspects out. 3 is in a weird position where it doesn't know whether it wants to be a shooter (Skill based) or a true RPG (Stat based).
>>337896125
Alot of the named characters you encounter in the Citadel acknowledge that the Elder broke from the codex and that they're just sort of sticking by him because they like him. Some of the paladins question why they help civilians and that's not counting the people that left (Outcasts). And before you ask for specific characters, it's been a bit since I've played so I can't help you anymore than google can.
Bad Fallout game, okayish sandbox RPG. Way better than 4.
>>337896496
It seems like the marriage between skill and stats isn't as bad as you think it is.
>>337895991
Did you even fucking play the old games or are you just high as fuck, they were never about justifying "evil", you just did bad shit if you were willing to accept the consequences. The games were all about CONSEQUENCES, not relativistic morality. The ending of Fallout 1 is literally you suffering the consequences for successfully completing the main quest, with the possible extra bonus of you being able to determine the overseer's fate. This shit is why they teach literature in schools, it's so you don't flop around like a retard, completely incapable of understanding themes.
>>337896497
Stuff like this. It mostly comes up if you ask them about the Outcasts.
>>337896608
Of course it can work, I just don't like the extent Fallout 3 did it.
In Fallout 3, bullets miss if I have low enough gun skill, even if my accuracy on the target was pinpoint. Try this shit in any FPS and you would get hounded. I like the system that NV and 4 did where the guns don't tie into your accuracy (A skill based tactic) but into your damage (A realistic stat). The FPS mechanics should stay skill based but exterior stuff to it (Damage, armour, speech, scavenging etc.) should be stat based like a good RPG.
my wife's son loves this game
>>337896478
>kill the rad scorpions
>or not
>join the Khans
>or not
>kill the Khan (either partially or fully)
>save Tandi
>or not
>Kill Killian
>or Gizmo
>or neither
>Join the Thieve's Guild
>or turn them in
[Spoiler]>kill the Deathclaw attacking the caravans[/spoiler]
>or not
>Fix the Necropolis Pump
>or not
>join the BOS
>or not
>fight for either the regulators or the Blades in LA
>Join the Master
>or kill him
>destroy the Vats or the cathedral first
>hell you could slaughter everyone in that game including the children
>>337896829
Did you actually play New Vegas? Gun accuracy was based on a combo of strength and gun skill. The damage you did increased but accuracy was always stat based as well skill based.
>>337896829
>In Fallout 3, bullets miss if I have low enough gun skill, even if my accuracy on the target was pinpoint.
That's called bullet spread. Something that exists in nearly every single FPS. Improving the gun skill improves the spread but very few weapons are even capable of perfect accuracy.
And the gun skill in 3 did effect your weapon damage.
>>337896634
fuck man i'm actually half asleep right now
I realized that after watching a vid of a event Tim Cain held,
>>337897076
>>337897001
I need to pay attention more it seems.
I don't know, it felt that way anyway when I played it.
>>337896957
Most of those amount to "do a quest, or don't/fail it intentionally"
>>337897169
I'd recommend just replaying both the 3d games. All of the games actually if you're not doing anything.
>>337897232
Literally at Camp Navaro in 2 right now.
1 int, 10 strength for the win.
>>337897203
but if you do fail/don't do/don't die then the game actually has consequences for that action, in game or at the final slideshow
>Joining the Enclave will never be an option.
Fuck Fallout 2 and 3.
>337896694
Fuck off bethesdrone, fallout 3 and 4 ARE ABSOLUTE GARBAGE. WHAT THE FUCK DO THEY EAT RREEEEEEEEEE
https://youtu.be/mLJ1gyIzg78
>>337897813
Mobile posting is cancer, meant to reply to >>337896694 :)
>>337897553
Sounds fun
>>337897581
I don't really consider an endgame slide to be that big of an effect.
>>337897895
An hour and a half?
sighhh... fine. brb.
>>337889362
bethesda bite off way more than they can chew
maybe they should try gem-matching puzzle games. that would be about their skill level.
>>337898040
to even the playing field consider tech limits
>>337889362
honestly, it didn't really have much more going for it other than the name.
it was playable but when you think about it, most of the quests were boring,main quest retarded, mechanics weak.
i guess the graphics were ok, never really thought about them that much cause im not a graphicsfag
>>337897813
13 minutes in
>>337889362
Apart from its AWFUL plot with more holes than swiss chees, it's a breddy decent game for its time. NV is just better. Unfortunately, on the Internet, people see in black and white, so when they see conclusive proof why NV is better than 3, for example, they think NV must be perfect and 3 horrible. Which is not the case.
>>337891003
This is wrong, it is nowhere near one of the worst video games of all time
>>337897813
I don't know if I can treat him seriously after that cringy Ghostbuster vid I was linked but you should at the merit of arguments I guess
>>337895442
>I mean, jesus christ, you start the game by surviving a point blank shot to the head.
You dumb NIGGER, you and everyone else can easily survive a point blank 9mm shot ingame why should it be different in a cutscene?
Not to mention people have survived 9mm shots in the head IRL and they don't have access to Fallout technology
FUCK you FO3 niggers are fucking STUPID
>>337897113
>>337896634
this vid
>>337900850
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa5IzHhAdi4
I only bought F3 because F1&2 were my favourite all time games. And boy it was a dissapointment. But still, bethesda got my shekels. So, sales do not reflect the quality of the game.
>>337901215
FO3 is essentially what happens when reddit makes a game
>>337889362
I really enjoyed it, only autistic shut-in gaming nerds with unrealistic and impossible to achieve standards don't like it
>>337889362
Yes it was, it's just that things have gotten worse so it seems better.
>>337889362
not bad as fallout 4
>>337901586
So because I liked it I'm a drone? Thanks for proving my point.
>>337902089
the video
>>337897813
>>337897895
Very good review, i admit. I guess I should ask though, was it less fun than New Vegas? Nah. Fallout 3 is still one of the best action rpgs around and that's a testament to Bethesda's ability to make what he concluded in the video as "presentation."
F3 7/10
NV 9/10
>>337896658
Did you miss the part where he said "Elder Lyons is an inspiration to us"? That's not really supporting the argument that the non-Outcast BoS don't really believe in Lyons' new mission.
I like both 3 and NV. Then again I'm "that guy" with all conflicts.
>FO3
>dark, gritty
>gets the post apoc feel down well
>but why hasn't anyone started more settlements? Megaton and Rivet city. That's it? Console limitations?
>NV
>feels more like how civilisation would be after so many years
4 has the same issue as 3. Its been 200 years, assholes. Clean your fucking town up. You're not the ones lugging 200-400 LBs of guns, ammo and supplies around saving your asses from... Well fucking everything.
I really enjoyed it, clocked over 100h on 360 even without any dlc. Yea, the story is pretty meh, but so is any betheshit game. The post nuclear atmosphere was on point and i just fully immersed myself with exploring and doing awesome side quests. Sure the graphics was bit off and colors bland, but hey 08 and consoles. It didnt have any of that SETTLEMENTS HURRDURR shit, it was just you vs. the steamy radiated shit called the world. So yea, an ok experience.
>Vault 87 construction is finished in 2071 on the east coast
>Vault 87 was designed to test airborne FEV in specially made gas chambers
>FEV did not exist until 2075 on the west coast
>FEV testing in humans, again on the west coast, did not begin until 2077, the same year as the Great War
What did Bethesda mean by this
>>337903963
FO3 story was made by an intern with a short memo about the previews Fallout games.
Every day with the arguments.
You can make your own experience in all of the games, which is pretty good. Choose to give a shit about whatever macguffin they devise for the central story, or do whatever. It's as good as your imagination lets you make it.
>>337903035
>The post nuclear atmosphere was on point
Except Fallout isn't post nuclear, it's post post apocalyspe. The main theme surrounding the classics and New Vegas is rebuilding and the new civilisation and governments that come out of the ashes. Fallout 3 completely ignores all of the world building done in 1 and 2 and has everything fucking destroyed and dirty for no reason. Pic related, from an actual Fallout game.
>>337905262
Sorry anon but my imagination simply cannot overcome the double whammy of Vault 87 plus Little Lamplight.
Everything about these locations is the narrative equivalent of a suicide note.
>>337903035
>atmosphere was on point
>DUDE GREEN TINT, RUBBLE AND EDGY GORE BAGS AND HANGING BODIES EVERYWHERE XDDD
How did Vault 87 mutants make more of themselves when anyone they kidnapped would die instantly to the 3,600 rads/second at the entrance of the vault
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLJ1gyIzg78
Here's one hour and a half of why it really was that bad.
>>337906467
it's best not to ask questions at this point
Who /Noah Cadwell-Gervais/ here?
>>337906467
The super mutants are the biggest insult in the entire game. Second is the Enclave.
>>337894814
>Genuine Moral dilemma
MUH BABBY
>>337905557
>One city represents the entire fallout world
As soon as you left that "city" it all turned to shit again.
>>337889362
No, it was actually worse.
>shitty roleplay system with horrible karma, shitty skills, removal of traits because oh god, actual choice is scary
>dumb generic towns in a level they diddn't even bother to design because they had a quest arrow everywhere
>unmemorable dumb characters with garbage dialogue
>"ure bad kill urself/leave coz ure bad" happens TWICE
>udnerwitten factions
>dumb main storyline
>game so bad only way to have fun in it is to ignore the main quest
>underwritten villains with no motives
>level scaling means there's no difficulty in the entire game, there was no work put into actually making the world give any sort of challenge, especially main quest where NPC's kill everyone for you since game thinks you are too stupid to be allowed to have any responsiblity
>karma system which at it's deepest at most well written gives you a choice between "NUKE A TOWN FOR NO REASON OR DONT"
>short linear quests
>washington dc is copypasted sewers
>absolute garbage compared to FO1, FO2
It's okay to say "I enjoyed fo3" it's another to say "fo3 is best fallout". First means you're a critical thinker who can think for yourself, second means you're a dumb cunt with no perspective or standards.
>>337906713
I reconsidered:
1. Super Mutants
2. BoS
3. Enclave
it's a terrible game.
nv is terrible too.
the true meme is trying to insist that nv is better because it's marginally better written when they both look and play like utter shit and deny the player any real agency in the world beyond shallow choices that make no real difference.
>>337894328
>entire island filled with literal bullet sponge enemies
>good
Fuck you.
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zBGLBoC.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
>>337906772
>Give some water to some bums, the only people in the entire game that have any water problems
>Get hunted down by "faction" of retarded raid- I mean mercenaries
>Cannot interact with said faction in any way, cannot eliminate them either
No wonder Beth just copies and pastes factions. When they have to come up with their own factions we get stupid shit like Children of the Atom, Minutemen, Talon Company, and Talon Company 2: Gunner Boogaloo
Pic related.
>>337889362
It was a good game. Sure, it had its issues, but still it was really fun to play, had a great atmosphere and I still like to replay it from time to time The problem is that most people on /v/ rate game as either "great" or "shit", refusing to acknowledge there is anything in between.
