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What are some of the little, insignificant things that bother you about Smash 4? Not the glaring hot topics like the roster, the stages, or the DLC, or the ballot or the clones or whatever, the *smaller* things that really grind your gears. What you personally felt went wrong or gave you that sinking feeling.
Vent about them here.
Any chance for a patch that can still be used at EVO?
Throw combos and grabbing in general being so dominant is a real turn-off for me.
>>337872886
Well, I don't share your views on him being meme status; I didn't really stay on the web when he was confirmed. I think he's a great character. Only thing that holds him back I think is the absence of a projectile and predictability, which can be rectified with baits, reads, etc.
Of course in a game where you win by grabbing, he will be weak anyway, so yeah.
http://www.gamnesia.com/news/sakurai-explains-why-dr-mario-is-his-own-character-in-smash-bros
>Sakurai: "When you have such fans and you just change the character-model and leave it at that and it becomes the same as Mario, we thought people might get angry. That's why we forced ourselves and changed that."
you hear that dorffags? Ganondorf not getting his change up anytime.
now you can stop crying about your placeholder excuse and Black Shadow, who's a useless underdog villain outside the anime and spinoffs.
Sakurai has NEVER done something like porting a moveset to a similar character, solely to give an ex-clone a different moveset.
until a new F-Zero game DOES come out, it's Goroh's time to shine!
Sakurai did nothing wrong.
>almost all the unlockable songs were Brawl songs
>>337873369
>Takamaru out
>Goroh out once again
>Lyn out again
why does Sakurai hates samurai's so much?
>Everything Mr Game & Watch does is 2D, except his down tilt (manhole cover), which is randomly 3D
>the removal of Mario's best alternate palette
>Pacman's shitty alternate palettes
>Wario has less costumes than he did in Brawl
>>337873127
Fuck off OP. No reason to make this into a general. It's not like there's a severe lack of Sakurai bitching threads.
>none of Shimomura works in Brawl and Sm4sh
why?
Custom moves. Such fucking wasted potential. I was excited when i heard about them, it seemed like such a fucking genius idea. If they did it properly it would have been a way to add new depth to old characters, add replayability without just bloating the roster with D grade characters, and represent parts of series that wouldn't otherwise get any time in the spotlight.
But what do we fucking get? The same move, but it's slow, and when it hit they get fire and go more down. And it looks like an awkward as shit brawl hack from 2011. Also you have to force yourself to play garbage single-player content so you can unlock it and find out just how disappointing it all is.
It was the worst and dumbest shit. I'd gladly give up 5 non clone characters off the roster for custom moves that actually had thought and effort put into them.
>>337873821
GEE ANOTHER SWORD CHARACTER
>oh shit that previous OP got a lot of replies
>I WANT SOME YOUs
fuck off
>>337873821
But there's one right here anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADenlayTYXE:^)
>>337873759
>>337873964
A bit bootybothered much? Last thread spawned some pretty civilized discussion, no reason to not continue it while the night's still young, unless you're actually distraught that people are tearing into Sm4sh in matters that expand beyond the roster.
>>337873931
smelly dee poster pls go
>>337873821
Hey don't worry dude you still got the shitty 02 remix in Brawl.
>>337873931
okay here's a kirby character with a lance + shield
happy?
Am I the only one who thought it was weird that the Pictochat song got relocated to 75m instead of say Wii Fit Studio or something?
>>337874128
If I wanted a Kirby character I'd pickMagolorbut that's assuming I want one.
>>337874274
>That feel when unironically want Galacta Knight in Smash
>No break the target
>>337873821
CHOOSE YOUR FUCKING CHARACTER
>>337873127
>no Rick trophy
>no Gooey trophy
>no Acro trophy
>no Dark Matter trophy
>no Adeleine trophy
>no Zero-Two trophy
BUT NOOOO, UNLESS YOU'RE A FIGHTER, ASSIST, OR A MEGA MAN CHARACTER, EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TROPHY MUST BE A LAZY FUCKING MODEL IMPORT FROM A 7TH OR 8TH GEN GAME
>>337874437
WHAT A FUCKING BLUNDER
I still don't understand why they didn't put Wolf in. I'm not even a characterfag for the guy it just makes no sense to me. It would have been so easy to port the character over from Brawl and they had the perfect opportunity with the release timing to promote Star Fox Zero. It was free money.
Just boggles my mind.
Avid lover of 64 and melee here, does landing hitting not feel as satisfying to anyone else here? I actually like smash 4 fine but the movement and landing hits feels akward as fuck to me.
>>337874118
Not them, but getting ma--err i mean ""discussing"" the little things is actually even more autistic then rosterfagging.
>Civilized
I didn't even post in last thread and that shit i read wasn't that.
>>337874332
You're not.
I'm more confused by Tetris Type B being on Wuhu Island.
Also, why doesn't Viridi get a Wii U trophy, despite her being in the Guidances? And even though they don't appear, Hades and Medusa should've had Wii U trophies, too.
>>337874168
Thank you based mods
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLkASaYjKlk
>>337874332
I'm more surprised Pictochat wasn't in the Wii U version at all. There's plenty of songs it introduced that would work well on it.I actually made a fucking list of how all the songs could be arranged if there was a game with all stages from both versions.
the fact that the single player content is an absolute joke
>>337874607
>Also, why doesn't Viridi get a Wii U trophy, despite her being in the Guidances? And even though they don't appear, Hades and Medusa should've had Wii U trophies, too.
Cause Kid Icarus was a 3DS game, so most of its trophies were supposed to be in the 3DS version.
>>337874607
>I'm more confused by Tetris Type B being on Wuhu Island.
Don't worry it confused me too
>>337874651
Care to share?
>>337874586
Yes. 4 is a slow baby party game we all know this.
>warp recovery on Bridge of Eldin omega
>fly out and to the side
>>337874651
Yeah share it. I was gonna do it myself but I might as well see how similar yours ended up being. Did you add any songs or is it purely reorganizing them?
What about the little things I like about Smash 4. Why can't we, /v/, ever talk about the things we LIKE. The things that are GOOD! Jesus Christ!
>>337874601
>but getting ma--err i mean ""discussing"" the little things is actually even more autistic then rosterfagging.
you sure about that?
>>337874731
Here it is. Feel free to judge if you want. Some might have been awkward choices to make because I wanted to avoid any two stages sharing a song, while at the same time make sure there wasn't too much of an imbalance between stages of the same series.
>>337874909
What's a little thing you like about Smash 4? Game has zero soul at all.
>>337874909
>smash 4
>good
anon...
>>337874909
>muh hugbox ;_;
>>337874530
>perfect tier
King Dedede
Dark Matter
>infinite power tier
Kirby
>high tier
Meta Knight
Daroach
>mid tier
Galactica Knight
Marx
Sectonia
Magolor
Prince Fluff
>low tier
Waddle Dee
Susie
>>337874983
man this picture made me realize that ryu's stage literally has 2 songs with 3 variations each
fucking dlc is lazy as hell
I wish there were still trophies for obscure games and more for older games.
>>337874909
I mean I love it overall. But venting is nice, ya know?
>>337874586
What I hate is when you lazily coast towards the blast zone, but you can still attack and air dodge, yet you die anyways.
>>337875008
Soul is not now nor has it ever been an actual argument for quality anon.
>>337874909
I like that Roy, Cloud, ZSS, Link, and Bayo are in.
My likes, though, are easily outnumbered by the problems that make this game un-fun (FG, landing lag, slow controls, etc.).
>>337874983
To add on, the *s indicate it's the remix version, while no * means its the original song.
>>337874840
Pure reorganization, though I did add the Kirby Dreamland mix and Lumiose City since they were on 3DS.
>>337874983
>no Goolie's theme on ryoo's stage
I thought Nintendo were the meme masters
>>337873127
>playing FG
>off the ledge
>lag means that my double jump input doesn't go through
>die because of it
It sorta balances out though, because it's funny as hell when it happens to someone else.
>>337874953
King K rool fags aren't people anon.
>>337873821
>that garbage redesign
Get that shit out of here anon.
>>337873127
Reposting because why not.
>Single Player is crap
>No Adventure Mode of some sort
>Palutena's Specials are the worst ones
>Wizard's Dropkick isn't Ganondorf's defulat DSpecial
>Wario got some alt colors removed while Little Mac has 16
>Phantom Footstooling
>Almost everyone has a DThrow > UTilt/UAir
>Almost every Sword character has a Counter move
>Omega Stages being a thing instead of just having a Hazards Off Switch
>Suit Samus doesn't have a Sex Kick
>OHKO Items appear too fucking much in Classic Mode, right along side eachother too as a matter of fact
>Lucina and Dark Pit
>Regular 75m
>Getting caught under Pyrosphere's terrain when recovering
>Equipment RNG
>No 8 Player Smash Online (even though it'd probably be a lagfest)
>Too many transition Stages
>Most Music choices are shitty
>Crowd Cheers are just shit
>Pac-Man and Mega Man don't have their respective death sounds on their Star KOs
>Classic Mode doesn't feel like a Classic Mode (No Break the Targets, RNG Special Fights [Metal or Giant])
>No Smash Run on the Wii U version
>No Snake or Wolf
>No Offline Tournament Mode
>Upward KOs can be the Explosion one thus fucking over Jigglypuff getting Rest KOs sometimes
>Mega Man 2 stuff being overused
>No Boss fucking Battles (no Wily or Eggman)
>>337874983
>Brinstar
>Yoshi's Island
>Arena Ferox
>Prism Tower
>All these cool stages that could have worked in tourneys but they're in 3DS and we're stuck with Animal Crossing all day erry day.
FUCK
FUCK
FUCK
>>337875406
i have more examples of rosterfagging anon, you want to see more?
>>337874983
I like this anon, my only complaint being only three songs on Delfino Plaza, probably because it's one of my favorite stages.
Other than that good work.
>>337874530
>sectonia, whose been killed, her soul destroyed, and then killed again via cloning
>not taranza
This is just personal autismo but I hate how attacks still go through the bottom of the stage.
Like Marth's Dolphin Slash or Ryu's Shoryuken can hurt someone who isn't even at the ledge.
Also fuck single player on hard, this shit is infuriating.
>>337875701
Corrin's side b and ZSS can too, though ZSS's is harder to hit with
![[1]coming soon...%20 （嘘）.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/eVZv9WF.jpg "[1]coming soon...%20 （嘘）.jpg")
>>337875636
>implying death/timeline trash matters in a spinoff title
>>337873127
its not 64
>>337875553
>8 player smash online
absolute madman
>>337875701
Is there any way to fix Palutena's tilts'} They're awful.
>>337875810
It does in a Kirby spinoff.
>>337875859
No it doesn't.
>>337875859
the fuck? no it doesn't
Dark Matter, Marx, Sailor Dee, and Nightmare literally all came back in Mass Attack's minigames.
>>337875834
you make your own
>>337875834
I use U-tilt often because it's a good way to snag people not anticipating it, but I only play FG.
But the only way to fix ftilt or dtilt is allowing her to cancel it.
>>337873127
we have the ability for post-release content as dlc and the game is still missing old characters.
also its very weird only having charizard.
>>337875597
How much you got?
>can't set certain attributes to specific players in special smash
>the single player modes being so goddamn boring and shitty
a problem since brawl. too much over excess on content. Just make a solid, short, replayable, adventure mode. Not some kirby metroidvania shit
>>337874983
A lot of stuff I'd rearrange but for the most part I guess it's agreeable.
>>337876245
not many but it's plenty enough
i'm still collecting more tho
>Masahiro Sakurai stated in an interview that he would have considered dropping the character from the game entirely if Namco didn't allow them to use his classic design over his more modern Pac-Man & the Ghostly Adventures design.[2]
This one still gets me everytime.
>>337876856
He has good taste in some places.
>>337873127
The intro doesn't say SUPER... SMAAAAAAAASH BROTHEEEEEERS and generally the game doesn't have the same vibe as 64 and Melee. You can barely hear the crowd and the chants.and I'm even a meleefag, I think Smash 4 has the best gameplay overall.
>>337873369
>until a new F-Zero game comes out
Yeah fucking right.
I would actually buy a nintendo console over that though but I don't think they're making another one.
>>337876967
Xander actually mentioned recording a couple of those. Though I don't think SUPER SMASH BROS FOR WII U AND 3DS doesn't really have the same ring as SUPER SMAAAAAAAASH BROOOOOTHEERRRS.
>>337877005
The Wii U could have had one.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/06/23/burnout-dev-criterion-nearly-made-a-wii-u-f-zero-game
>>337876967
>the intro and themesong isn't as cool
Damn shame.
>>337873369
>Sakurai has NEVER done something like
This is probably the number one thing that pisses me off about Smashfags in general; their obsession with trying to piece every little offhand statement or coincidence into some sort of grand Da Vinci Code bullshit that will inevitably reveal the whole roster of every future game. Like, with all the out-of-left-field additions and bizarre game design decisions that have occurred throughout Smash's history, it's pretty safe to say that Sakurai (and everyone else who calls the shots with these games) doesn't give a flying fuck about precedents or patterns or how Charizard and Greninja being in totally means Sceptile will be in because muh type triangle or whatever. I thought that was made clear way back when they added fucking Mr. Game & Watch to Melee.
>>337876845
Holy shit, ashelyfags were that bad huh?
I remember when anon's were calling warioware one of the chillest fanbases along with kirby and pikmin.
Ever since post RTDL, not fucking anymore. Pikmin is the only sane one left.
>>337876967
This.
Not agreeing on the spoiler, i meant the intro thing.
>>337877108
>http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/06/23/burnout-dev-criterion-nearly-made-a-wii-u-f-zero-game
Why the fuck have nintendo given up on F-Zero, it's literally one of the only good things they've done over time that hadn't devolved into babby fanpleasing bullshit. F-Zero GX was god tier, and it's not impossible to resurrect the franchise and do it well. Do they just really think they are too shit to make another good one? It wouldn't surprise me.
>>337877108
>Criterion
oh thank fucking god
i'm really desperate for a new and proper F-Zero game, but Crierion was too busy fucking up Need for Speed.
glad EA killed them off years later
>>337877339
Mario Kart is the new F-Zero.
Profit, franchise recognition, and popularity, and besides most of the F-Zero cast is unmemorable. Who remembers Pico, or Zoda?
>>337877339
you really wanted Criterion to touch F-Zero after what the they done to NoS?
talk about low standards, if Nintendo wanted to bring it back, Miyamoto will just fuck it up like he did with Star Fox Zero without taking note from previous games.
>>337877339
>Do they just really think they are too shit to make another good one
Reminder that GX was made by Sega.
>>337877181
>any nintendo fanbase ever
>sane
>>337877728
>Mario Kart is the new F-Zero.
>"I have never played F-Zero before"
>>337873127
I like the game but replacing the Codec Calls for stupid ass shit PIT SHIT really grinded my gears.
Granted Snake isn't in the game anymore because Kojima is a tool and Hayter wouldn't be doing his lines anymore but the codec stuff was ifinitely better.
>>337873706
>the removal of Mario's best alternate palette
So much this.
Also
>removing Link's white robes in favor of his ugly SS pajamas
Although they fucked him up since Brawl. Changing the color of the shield and boots doesn't pay off, he was way better in Melee, where he only changed the color of his robe.
>>337877728
I see. I do remember Pico but not Zoda sadly. I wonder what that means.
>>337877826
I didn't read the criterion article I was just talking about the abandonment of F-Zero in general.
>>337877897
Yes. It was. Goddamn it Sega why did you have to fuck yourselves up.
>>337877728
>and besides most of the F-Zero cast is unmemorable. Who remembers Pico, or Zoda?
t. secondary cuck
also, are people still memeing about 200cc? literally slower than fucking F-Zero X at a low rate
>>337873890
It was underwhelming, although the equipable gear (or whatever it's called) adds some pretty fun variety to the game.
For example, I made a faster Ganondorf who has random critical hits and some of his twerked alt moves. With that set-up he actually plays more like in his games, and he is fun as fuck to use.
The downside of this is that it requires a lot of planning + trial and error.
>>337877897
>implying Climax isn't the best F-Zero game
>>337878178
> Goddamn it Sega why did you have to fuck yourselves up.
to be fair they ended up making all stars racing transformed which was elder god tier
>>337874332
>75m
I know this breaks OP's rules, but seeing that stage return made me mad as fuck.
>>337878360
SASRT was also by Sumo Digital
>>337875636
>sectonia, whose been killed, her soul destroyed, and then killed again via cloning
Damn, Kirby is really hardcore.
>>337878331
It isn't, it's good though. You can't do alot of the crazy shit that you can do in GX and even F-Zero X
>>337877728
F-Zero has absolutely never been as recognizable or popular as Mario Kart.
>>337874520
>>337874530
>no Nago, Pitch or ChuChu
>>337877137
you seriously had to type all this shit?
not even a fucking patternfag, still stupid to discard off shit like Dark Pit and Lucina yet give Black Shadow a praise because "MUH VILLAIN REP" and "MUH NEW MOVESET"
already seen people bitching about the Black Shadow being a trash clone than being it's own thing like Falcon or using stuff from the anime instead.
http://smashboards.com/threads/the-worst-of-melee-brawl-and-now-project-m.342787/#post-16039679
>>337873127
I'm posting this before reading the thread so forgive me if I repeat something someone already brought up.
>Lucario, Sonic and Pac-Man's alt colors
>Little Mac having eight wireframe costumes
>Wario had some of his alt colors taken away
>None of the Pokemon have their shiny forms as alt colors
>The new remix of Ashley's Theme was Japanese version only
>Dr. Mario, Lucina, Dark Pit and all the DLC characters were just slapped on the end of the menu instead of being with other characters in their franchises
>Stages on the menu are ordered by newest game to oldest game when it should be the other way around
>Melee stages got new HD textures while the N64 stages didn't
>The yellow on Wario's default overalls costume is too bright
>No option to turn off boss characters
>Master Hand and Crazy Hand aren't boss characters
>Controller slots are selected by whoever touches a button first and this resets every time you go to a different mode
>DLC characters don't have custom moves
>Custom moves in general seem like an afterthought despite all the potential it could've had
>I also have a million things to say about the online modes but I'll spare you all on that
>>337874909
I like the moveset tweaks some characters got.
Bowser is actually fun to use, Pit can be more aggressive, ZZSamus, and so on.
8 player Smash is pretty good, if only because it allows you to team up with 2 or 4 friends against the CPU or let 8 people play at the same time.
Several new characters are great.
Sm4sh did some things right, but I have the same sentiment as other anons and the community in general; the game doesn't have much love put into it, it was shameless for reusing assets, and even then, some nice things from Brawl were removed.
Yeah, a second thread in a fucking row of you literal children STILL bawling about "not muh melee", as if we didn't get enough of this after Brawl and 4 came out. Get the fuck over it already, holy shit.
>>337879210
>hasn't read the thread at all
Top tier shitposting m8
>>337879170
>>Master Hand and Crazy Hand aren't boss characters
but they are?
>>337879170
>Melee stages got new HD textures while the N64 stages didn't
I actually prefer them unchanged desu
>>337879210
Hey man if Falcon/Ganondorf can grab the ledge correctly with their upB and sideB of course the game is shit
>>337879210
>a second thread in a fucking row of you literal children STILL bawling about "not muh melee"
where?
>>337879210
>"not muh melee"
64 is objectively the best game
>>337879516
this
>>337879014
Where did I say anything about F-Zero characters? Frankly, I don't give a shit about what they do with Ganondorf. I'm just saying that trying to predict what may or may not be added to Smash is a fool's errand, because it's clear that there's no rhyme or reason to it at all.
>337879210
IT'S AN ENEMY STAND
DON'T REPLY TO IT
>>337879516
You have good taste, /x/chan.
>>337873127
Mewtwo's weight and Ganon's moveset. It literally pisses me off that the man who says he properly represents each character according to their game hasn't got it right with these two. What a fucking idiot.
>>337879354
I meant in vs mode battles like Ridley and Yellow Devil.
Admit it, as long as there was an option to turn them off, it'd be fun as fuck.
>>337879729
TOO LATE
>>337879516
this """""guy""""" gets it
Subspace Emissary is the single coolest thing Nintendo has ever done. Debate me.
>>337879978
Good on paper but it was poorly executed.
>>337879516
now open those legs, fuccboi
>>337876967
It's like they injected all the hype into the trailers and forgot to pour some into the actual game.
>>337879978
you only liked the cutscenes and the idea itself
>>337880383
daily reminder that you'll never ever see Smash 4 Megaman without his helmet off anywhere in game
>>337880467
This to be honest.
The level design is pretty hit or miss.
>>337879978
It would be GOAT if it didn't have floaty Brawl gameplay.
Also, fuck these things.
Why the fuck doesn't the single player have a little symbol that tells me who I've beaten each mode with somewhere like seriously sometimes I just wanna drop it and come back and it just keeps the high score so I can't tell if I actually finished or not like what the fuck.
>>337880830
Play it with pm, subspace with melee tech is godlike
>>337873127
>Ike can't shoot lasers out of his sword
>Donkey Kong can't throw barrels
>Palutena's moveset in general
>Dark Pit
>Still no Bowser's Castle stage
>6 FE reps (But no Lyn, Hector, Black Knight, Ana)
>Ganon is still a Captain Falcon Clone
>Smash Run
>Stage Hazards
>Momentum does not carry over into jumps
>Forever shields
Why?
>>337880830
Fun fact: the physics in SSE are different from Brawl mode's physics. Run speeds are different, you fall faster, and the window for short hopping is harder for some reason, like Melee.
>>337881416
>>Ganon is still a Captain Falcon Clone
I fucking wish
>>337881416
FE has a constantly rotating castle, none of the characters you mentioned have a chance over le latest new FE lord three years from now
>>337881416
>>Donkey Kong can't throw barrels
hello Brawl Minus dev
>>337873369
Sakurai is so set upon not upsetting fans in all the wrong ways.
>Butu fanzu wantu to pray same characta! I cannotu invent good muvuset now!
>>337881416
>Ana
I never knew I wanted this. Either her or Tiki would have been way better additions that are actually memorable and a staple of the franchise.
Ike already feels out of place, and Corrin will fare way worse, since he/she is such a shitty FE character in general.
The grind is ridiculous. The most offensive example is when some moves are exclusively available after certain events, until you unlock them, in which case they become available for trophy rush.
I also hate how the UI is. Why can't I make it so that I always play on Survival? Why can't I enable custom moves OR equipment? Why is it so cluttered and u intuitive at the same time?
>>337878942
>>337875636
>>337875091
>>337874530
WE MEELEEEEEEEEEE
>>337881698
Not him
But me thinks that Lyn has the best shot if Roy grants a remake of his game.
Also people were asking for a bowser castle stage since melee i think, Castle siege has nothing on that.
>>337874376
This kind of thinking got us Dark Pit.
>>337882027
>castle
cast*** sorry
>>337882025
>Buggsy
>Sir Kibble
Found my mains.
>>337882025
>Dark Meta Knight is a Sectonia clone
>Knuckle Joe is a Shine and Bright clone
>Poppy Bros is a Bonkers clone
Do you even Melee character select screen? You even got Drawcia and DL3 trio right, so what gives?
>>337882708
Don't expect perfection m8, but here, this a bit better?
>>337873706
to be fair, Wario's new colors are merges of the removed colors
>>337883086
Fuck I knew I was missing something.
>>337877728
>Mario Kart is the new F-Zero
Just fucking kill me. We'll never get ludicrous speed racing again with a cast of space retards. Only babies and MARIO
>>337883258
Make Bonkers a Dedede clone because that's what he is in any games where the're playable. And maybe Magalor a Marx clone, possibly.
>>337873127
Where was my Nintendo Land stage?
Also, why did Charizard and Lucario not have their shiny alts when they have EIGHT possible costumes to choose from?
>>337877339
>>337877826
Miyamoto wants to make F-Zero In house with a good interface
Hopefully the NX will be that interface
Also stop falling for the Star Fox Zero hate bandwagon, it's still a great game
Besides, you can't fuck up a racing game, even with motion
>>337883532
Gamefreak already had a fucking thorn of having Pikachu being shades of Yellow
They allowed them to have different colors but arent allowed to have their shiny variants
Though to be fair, Charizard's original GSC shiny is still a color pallette
>>337883667
>Miyamoto wants to make F-Zero in house with a good interface.
Since when?
All I've ever heard is him saying they don't really have anything new to bring to the series, so they won't make anymore, despite every fucking New Super Mario Bros game being the same exact fucking thing.
>>337883667
>>Also stop falling for the Star Fox Zero hate bandwagon, it's still a great game
with 643D existing, i'll never understand the reason for the shitty ass controls Uprising and Zero has.
>>337883667
>it's still a great game
wew laddie
>>337883524
Sadly can't move DDD or Sectonia from the Royal spots, so this will have to do.
>>337883524
Actually no its the other way around, Dedede is a Bonkers clone in the games in which Dedede is playable.
Dedede in Brawl is a more faithful interpretation of how Dedede should play in a Kirby game than how Dedede actually plays in Kirby games, rather sad.
>>337883835
Zero may be the same, but Uprising plays totally different and its control scheme is great once you get used to it.
Smash Tour's timed stock system.
Timed Stock has never been a thing because it's pretty bullshit and here in particular it means you gain nothing from being in first place, because only second place matters.
I played with my brother and he got about 6 stock to my 2, but when we got to the final round I just went gung ho and knocked out about 3 guys. That meant I won, because having high stock doesn't actually matter, all that matters is getting KO points, and having the most stock also means nothing because the match ends once the person in second place runs out. It's not even fucking hard to balance, just give the surviving person extra points for each remaining stock they have.
>>337883924
What's so bad about it? Or is this just about being aboard the obligatory hatewagon?
>>337884129
>its control scheme is great
it's fucking trash and i already have played a railshooter-type of game that had you use touch shit shit to play.
>Sega gets two reps
>Capcom gets two reps
>Namco doesn't get Chosen Undead or Soul Of Cinder
>>337883968
I suppose it'll do. I like collecting these sorts of things, but I also like them being decently organized.
>>337884301
After Pac-Man they'd probably only give Namco scraps like Mr. Driller or Taizo Hori
>>337884301
Namco almost got Heihatchi actually
>>337883667
>Also stop falling for the Star Fox Zero hate bandwagon, it's still a great game
Fuck you, Star Fox Zero is mediocre. It's not even a good entry in the rail-shooter genre.
>>337884301
>>Namco doesn't get Chosen Undead or Soul Of Cinder
Why would they? They only publish the games and they have nothing to do with Nintendo.
>>337884408
Yep, but Harada vetoed it as he didn't feel he'd fit.
>>337884301
>Two oneshot characters from a series that's never been on Nintendo.
Just put Nightmare or Heihachi.
>>337884408
>>337884301
Sakurai and the Tales director wanted Lloyd in Smash 4
so make that 2 Namco character that almost made it
I'm thoroughly disgusted by every single playstyle of every character.
I think god is punishing me when I have to fight Toon Link.
>You have to change the rules from Time to Stock every time you go into Versus mode
>Brawl always remembered your preference even after you turned the system off
>>337884529
both sakurai and harada vetoed it
his Tekken moveset wouldn't blend nicely into Smash. also PSASBR is shit.
>>337873127
The "Reset Event" buttons are right on the buttons that'll get pressed when you set the Gamepad down
>>337884326
>both changes are drastically worse
Throw it in the fucking garbage. If anything, remove Yoshi for Marth.
>>337884584
>takes forever to load the rules screen and then load back the character select
>>337884251
Touch screen, wiimote+nunchunk or kb+m are some of the best controls for rail shooters.
Being touch makes it way more fast-paced and responsive. I'm sorry that your brain couldn't keep up with the game.
>>337884557
Harada didn't feel Heihachi would fit in Smash so vetoed it.
>>337873127
What really bothers me is that the trophy of Barbara isn't grouped with the other Rayman trophies and I will never understand that as long as I live
>>337884673
>also PSASBR is shit.
Strange you felt compelled to bring that up.
Also Harada was the first to veto it. He said it in an interview he wouldn't okay it before Sakurai got to pre-production work.
>>337884557
Nightmare is an assist trophy.
>>337884673
Harada vetoed it first, so it doesn't matter what Sakurai would have done. Sakurai's only direct mention was he didn't want to bring over characters from fighting games, which means jack shit as he then added Ryu.
>>337884563
>Sakurai wanted
Source? I'd rather have a a valkyrie or kos-mos tbqh
The tier-list rewards people with shitty taste like all the fetish women and cloud
The best woman moveset-wise is peach and she's been bumped down quite a bit compared to how she used to be
>>337884563
>Lloyd was considered for Smash before Klonoa
It takes way too long to KO someone now, what used to come at around 120% comes at about 160-170% now. Outside characters with intentionally shit recoveries like Little Mac, they'll almost always get back to the stage if they weren't KO'd.
Classic being changed. I get someone might not want it to be the same, but did anybody even test this shit before releasing it? It's classic in name only, and there is nothing less fun than a 7v1 fight on 9.0.
You now are expected to fight about double the characters in All Star you were expected to in Melee/Brawl, sometimes with 7-8 fighters in a row on one horrible level. Try fighting all those enemies on a stage with a boss for added "fun." On top of this, you have about the same amount of HP restoration as you did in the past games, despite the enemy increase.havent touched the game in awhile, may be wrong on this
Nearly every new item introduced isn't fun to use/have in the game at all, like the plethora of Uprising items. Pokemon are either nearly useless or dominate the entire stage while out, very little middle ground. Eevee's worthless, and Keldeo has an attack range about three times too large
There is no mode to play online with randoms with custom movesets, which were talked up before release, only to have no real place to use them
>>337884913
>Sakurai's only direct mention was he didn't want to bring over characters from fighting games
you read a mistranslation there bud,
http://sourcegaming.info/2015/07/10/sakurai-didnt-say-that/#[1]
>>337885729
Incorrect on All-Star's account. Adding 7 DLC characters makes the mode terribly unbalanced. Some stages are now too overcrowded because most of the newcomers come from the same eras and others now seem too small by comparison.
Jump momentum isn't there at all. There's nothing more jarring than seeing Sonic/Falcon run really fast, and then jump and instantly slow down.
>>337876856
At least he had one good idea
>>337885902
>most of the newcomers
most of the DLC characters**
>>337884989
http://sourcegaming.info/2016/04/30/mii-fighter-costumes-consolation-prizes/
scroll down a bit and you'll see Lloyd with a couple of highlighted words on his consideration
>>337885823
>there's a fucking tournament mode setting for customs but no equipment
>but it's only for "official" tournies, player made tournies can't use this option
There's so much fucking flat and pixelshit.
Remember when Game and Watch was a fun little throwback to LCD displays? Now half the fucking stages are flat or pixelated.
Duck Hunt's trailer shows an HD version of the Duck Hunt game, why the hell isn't that in Smash? Instead it's a port of the NES one. Same with Mute City, Balloon Fight, 75-M, PAC-MAZE, PAC-LAND, and Dream Land.
If I wanted to see shitty MS-paint looking graphics, I'd play PAC-LAND, not the eighth generation fighting game.
>still no "remove hazards" button
Omega mode doesn't count, if i wanted final destination i'd pick Final Destination
>>337873127
>Wonderful 101 music
>Wonderful 101 trophies
>No Wonderful 101 character
Fuck my life, fampai.
>>337886147
This
Nothing wrong with platforms, but needing to be punished by random shit going on in the background just to have them there kills the fun
>>337886147
Sakurai specifically said that was a feature in PSABR, and he didn't want to steal features from them.
He deserved better, desu. So much better
Such shitty Assist Trophy presentation and so much potential, not a playable character, no Starfy based stage, or even music at all.
>>337885823
>no online team tourney mode
>no online 1v1 tourney mode
>Cloud speaks Japanese in all regions for no goddamn reason
>resetting matches on the gamepad
>>337886147
>a fucking side game in Kirby Triple Deluxe has a hazards option
Please just fucking give the series back to HAL already, they clearly love to do stuff with Nintendo's other series to begin with.
Just a minor complaint, but I wish there were custom victory poses for teams, depending on who your partner was.
Something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSwId0qFdu4
>No more Snake
>No chance of having a Belmont or Alucard
>No chance of having Raiden
>No chance of having Suikoden
>>337886026
He says after pac-man there weren't any decided upon.
>Interviewer: Between Bandai and Namco, were there any other strong candidates for inclusion as a fighter?
>Sakurai: There were none. We basically thought of all the characters at the start of development. We decided on characters we knew we could make. However, there were a few in consideration, such as Heihachi from “Tekken.”
That's not really a "want" from sakurai's part anon, but nice to know.
>>337873369
F-Zero can't even ask for a lazy clone, and Sakurai throws those in all the time. Even if a second F-Zero happened, Sakurai wold probably keep it at Falcon only out of habit.
>>337886654
Fuck forgot to add, he only meant that lloyd was the only worthy choice for something tales related.
>>337885902
Correct me if i'm wrong, but All star grants 2 heart containers, 1 fairy, and 1 maxim tomato, correct? that's not much more than the past games had for healing, and again, 20+ more fighters than Melee.
I'm not asking for Melee again, but expecting someone to actually pull off All Star on Hard when stages like Wily Castle are the norm is unreasonable.
>>337886526
>Please just fucking give the series back to HAL already, they clearly love to do stuff with Nintendo's other series to begin with.
oooh, i got some bad news for you borb
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Laboratory
>Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS (Development Cooperation)
>>337886405
>taking good features from a worse game is bad
There's not a fucking patent on a "remove obstacles" button
Not really so much about the game itself but
>competitive scene that's out to ban any character that they cant beat without trying
>>337882025
maining wrestlebug
>>337886489
>Cloud is in the game to begin with
Why can I not just BUY the custom movesets/hats/outfits like i can with some trophies?
>>337884584
>>Brawl always remembered your preference even after you turned the system off
really?
Multihit smash attacks in general, more often than not the enemy gets knocked out of range of the attack with actual knockback
the community's attitude towards little mac
>>337886868
Sakurai doesn't see it as a bad game. He specifically didn't want to copy to feature because it was unique
>>337884584
>Brawl always remembered your preference even after you turned the system off
No it didn't.
>>337883968
Alright if we're trying to actually parallel the Melee cast of characters, here's how I'd do it.
>Dr. Mario
Pillah
>Mario
Kirby
>Luigi
Gooey
>Bowser
Dark Matter
>Princess Peach
Fairy QueenQueen Sectonia is too big!
>Yoshi
Rick
>Donkey Kong
King Dedede
>Captain Falcon
Capsule-J
>Ganondorf
Iron Mam
>Falco
Galactica Knight
>Fox
Meta Knight
>Ness
Gim
>Ice Climbers
Lolo & Lala
>Kirby
Prince Fluff
>Samus
Waddle Doos
>Zelda
Marx
>Link
Coo
>Young Link
Pitch
>Pichu
Adeleine
>Pikachu
Plasma Wisp
>Jigglypuff
Waddle Dee
>Mewtwo
Magolor
>Mr. Game&Watch
Poppy Bros Sr.
>Marth
Buggzy
>Roy
Beetley
A mod of a shitty game is better than it
What the FUCK nintendo
I never touched the DLC past the free* Mewtwo, does Cloud's stage really not have One-Winged Angel? I've never even played that game and i know how iconic is can be.I've got some major fuckin buyer's remorse for the Wiiu version
>>337887416
>an option to remove the things keeping the fight from being fun at all on most stages
>it's unique cant have that
>>337887587
Sakurai said it, not me.
>>337887587
>i know how iconic is can be.
shit, i meant "I know how iconic that song is." No clue how that happened
>>337887539
>A mod of a shitty game is better than it
in terms of what?
>>337873552
He tired of people calling him "Samurai".
>>337887739
Honestly it sounds more like an excuse
>>337887539
>basically Brawl with cheat codes
>good
>>337887539
but anon, Moon Brawl was pretty fucking shit!
>>337887867
please explain yourself because im not following
>>337887587
It only has the boss theme and battle theme. No One Winged Angel, no JENOVA, no nothing.
Cloud also speaks Japanese for no reason. Feels like they kinda half-assed his stuff outside of the character himself
>>337887539
>A mod of a shitty game is better than it
no it isn't
>>337887757
>>337887936
>>337887867
>>337888028
Project M is better than Sm4sh in just about every single way except roster size.
Call it autistic, call it "muh melee," call it whatever, but in every single way, it's better. If making a game good is autistic, then I wouldn't be mad that autists are closely becoming the majority.
>>337887539
>meleefags
>>337887990
Wasn't the music issue because of Square Enix saying what Nintendo could and couldn't use?
>>337888081
What writing tags though
you go through like multiple menus just to make a tag and delete a tag
Sm4sh its in one place
>>337887539
fuck off Melee ain't shit
20XX beats the shit out of any CPUs done in any Smash game including Project Malarkey
the fact that nintendo is in charge of it
smash is a love letter to Nintendo fans, and Nintendo has proven itself, time and time again, COMPLETELY oblivious to what fans actually want
>>337888424
yeah, i'm sure Sony and Microsoft know what fans want! let's give it to them!
>>337873706
To be fair, I think third parties can mandate what can and can't be done with their characters.
Namco probably said Pac-Man is not allowed to be any color other than yellow.
>>337888424
so what do the fans actually want?
>>337888616
a good game
>>337888649
>being subjective
>>337888649
but what is this "good game" though?
>>337888738
better than a mod
>>337888769
so a "good game" doesnt exists then
>>337888769
what mod?
>>337874520
I fucking hate the trophies in this game for that very reason. Sakurai couldn't have missed they point further with them like he did with everything else in smash 4.
Remember all those trophies in melee that represented and showcased not only characters from throughout a series' history, but also trophies for obscure games like Donbi and Hikari, or Diskun.
Not to sound like an apologist, but I feel like most of the problems with Smash 4 had to do with the fact that they had to waste time making a 3ds version as well.
