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Yes it's this thread again.
Fuck the roster, fuck the stages, fuck the DLC choices, fuck the ballot, let's talk about the LITTLE things that irritate the fuck out of you about Smash 4
What are those really insignificant, perhaps even petty, things that grind your gears? Just vent it all out here.
>>337836787
What's wrong with that OP? The "Trademark" Wario waft part?
I'm a Wario main and I really hate the fact that Sakurai took away the shoulder bash.
(That was his forward smash in Brawl by the way)
His new forward smash is absolute ass. Wario used to have one of the best smash attacks and now he has one of the worst.
Why does Sakurai hate Wario Land? Did Wario ever do something to him?
>>337837796
I wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai were the one who did something to Wario instead.
But shit, nigga, it ain't just Wario, some franchises just really got the short end of the stick in the end.I'm still fucking pissed they didn't even bother putting Mona Pizza or Mike's theme in Smash 4.
In the end, it doesn't even matter. The game is already packed and everyone already played it. The DLC development is done, they won't be doing nothing else to the game. In the end, some people came out sore out of all of this.
>>337839371
>2016
>not modding the game and adding the songs yourself
but i digress.
The biggest small thing that bothered me is that Pac-Man didn't have his death sound from the arcades as his KO sound. Like for crying out loud, they did add it in streetsmash but not the real game?will probably take me like five minutes tops to add it in anyway
>Pac-Man doesn't have his iconic death sound as his star KO
>Yellow Devil's respawn time
>Bowser and DK's "realistic" voices sound like shit
>sore throat Mario
>Diddy's shitty victory animations from Brawl
>gamepad can't be touched to navigate menu
>>337836787
>Lucina, as a clone of Marth mimicks his default idle animation despite the fact it's no where near the same as her default battle stance in Awakening
>Marth gets added as a unit in Fates
>Because he's so similar to Lucina, he mimicks her default battle stance despite never assuming that battle stance anywhere in the series.
>Now both Smash and Fire emblem has mismatched idle animations
>Oh, and Robin can somehow use Nosferatu despite not being a Dark Mage and not being able to acquire Shadowgift in Awakening.
This really does bother me way more than it should.
>>337836787
1-3
>Up B and Side B acted as a third jump that can be used to help you get back onto the stage if you aren't too far off
4
>Some characters can jump and dash 4 times anywhere, allowing them to never fall to their death
>>337836787
>earthbound/mother victory theme is some weird bastardization instead of the original Eight Melodies
I know they changed it in brawl but it still bothers me.
>>337839746
>Pac-Man doesn't have his iconic death sound as his star KO
this
>Bowser and DK's "realistic" voices sound like shit
no
>>337836787
>Solo Ice Climber, just up their stats/speed and change the recovery to holding on to the condor similar to Olimar's new recovery
>Customizable character selection screen, drag and drop tiles to rearrange them, and to give the player control over 1 or 2 pages, and portrait size, nametags or no nametags.
>Customizable character selection randomizer, similar to the random stage switch.
>Customizable stage selection screen, drag and drop tiles to rearrange them, similar to above
>Events in 3DS
>Special Smash in 3DS
>Break the Targets, if not all unique, at least more than 5, maybe 10-20 levels
>Board the Platformss, if not all unique, at least more than 5, maybe 10-20 levels
>Race to the Finish, 5-10 levels
>Classic Classic mode
>A Melee-esque short adventure mode
>A Master Hand that isn't a ghost hand and is a glove again
>The ability to use multiple characters a la all-star versus in Project M
>Stamina that goes to 1000 hp
>Lives in Stamina, once a character loses their stamina they disappear a la the supporting ice climber in melee/brawl, or a la the blast zones in Great Cave Offensive
>Miis in Online Randoms, either just as is or in a special Customs mode
>stage hazards switch
>Amiibo online with friends because why the hell not
>>337840243
Yes.
Bowser's roaring taunts and victory pose are ruined by his pathetic as fuck growls. DK sounds like someone blowing into a cardboard tube.
>Down B is counter on 10 different fighters
>Palutena has a ton of variety but her default has a counter
>Shulk's trademark is a counter
>Out of the DLC 2 were rehashed clones
(I know they're different but it's silly to me that these were clamored for and we didn't even get wolf who adds a much needed villain to the roster)
>Dark Pit
>Greninja nerfs
>Robin nerfs
>>337840757
>>Down B is counter on 10 different fighters
This. I feel at the very least Greninja's Substitute could have been something else, as I can somewhat understand the other characters who do have one.
Wii U didn't get Smash Run.
Fuck every single thing about the Wii U single player. And Smash Tour. Fuck that too.
>>337839891
Robin might get a free pass with that Nosferatu considering the fact that he can become a dark Mage and the fact that he is, well, Grima, a living embodiment of darkness and evil.
The single player content sucks.
Brawl is the best in that department. Pure fanservice instead of a focus on tourneyfags.
The sheer number of recycled KI:U assets (e.g. the menu layouts and Smash Run in general) bothers me. The whole thing reeks of laziness.
Witch Time
Realistically all the kid Icarus items should have been dumped on dark pit because they pollute the game, day break as a final smash, ore club as a side smash, killer eye down b and such with the staff being his neutral b
One less clone and a shit ton less items
>>337843259
This. Bayo can even WT final smashes, why is this allowed?
>>337842980
To be fair, Uprising recycled a lot of Brawl assets first.
>>337843581
Not that anon, but you're just proving Hackurai's laziness even further.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSHbX-Ow3WM
Looking at this video made me realize something.
Why does Sakurai never bother to give the transformation characters (ie Giga Bowser, Giga Mac, Mega Lucario, etc) their own corresponding palette swaps? It doesn't seem hard at all, the Project M team did it and so did the video above.
It's just especially really jarring to be playing as Little Mac in one of his wireframe costumes only to suddenly transform into a default skin Giga Mac.
>>337842980
>>337843581
>>337843775
Doesn't Sakurai use the same type of menu layout for all of his games? I mean, Kirby Air Ride and Meteos use the same type of design.
>>337844235
Again, you are just even further cementing his laziness.
>>337836787
>body rock is not a song in the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt0IEQPys1U
how I wish
/v/ owes PM an apology
>the little things
Trophy descriptions in the 3DS version not showing the game of origin and year for whatever reason.
It doesn't make sense.
>>337844449
I'm not the one guy you were talking to, but I agree that he is lazy.
>>337844640
For what? Having the most autistic fanbase? I know Tr4sh is cancerous, but come on, at least get some standards.
no character specific break the targets stages, fuck you thats my favorite part of Melee.
Millions of dollars worth of dlc.
Wii U is a shitty console is general, the controller thats 50 dollars extra thats mandatory to play most games has shitty sticks that fuck up inputs and make me face the wrong direction.
Sold that bitch for 3 hunda, fuck niggertendo
>>337844235
>>337844449
His wife does all the menus.
http://kyoto-report.wikidot.com/michiko-sakurai
To the fucker on here who has the name "Shinobi" and plays as black arm bands sonic, you're a goddamn fag
You don't even do the funny taunts, you do that "nothing personal kid" shit
All the new items suck. Playing with items on is even more unfun than ever, and I used to like items. All the single player modes suck too, and even worse all the horrible items are brought in it too turning it into a rng fest of praying that an ai doesn't get the instant kill thing dropped right into its hands.
>>337844946So, she's lazy and likes to copy/paste everything?
>some of the best stages on Smash 4 are exclusive to the 3DS version
>still can't play these stages in the console version
I can't be the only person who feels this way
>>337836787
>le Sakurai made Wario a gross faggot meme
>>337844235
why fix something that looks amazing
>>337845090
I prefer Melee with items but yes fuck Sm4sh with items. A lot of items are really fucking unfun
>>337844640
PM's "balancing" is that every character has an autocombo move and a ridiculous chaingrab, it's not very fun if you play competitively.
All of the recycled voice clips and the fact that there is still no "SUPER SMAAAAASH BROTHEERS"in the title screen
>>337845659
You can turn on and off which items you don't want you know. Like every Smash game.
Bowser not saying "Showtime!" when entering the battle
>>337845851
Oh my god the recycled sound clips blow. Makes it feel like we didn't move past brawl at all.
>>337836787
>Ganondorf will never get a unique moveset. Hes just a slow captain falcon forever.
>Bowser can cheat online by abusing the self destruct system.
>single player is so freaking boring, I've been too bored to even collect parts for custom fighters.
>There are people on /v/ RIGHT NOW who want to replace Wario's Bike with his charge from Wario Land
>>337836787
The whole game feels lazy as shit
>rushed, barely any single player content
>most characters are not represented properly
>Sakurai's choices impacting other games
>favoritism to KI and FE
>DLC ballot was a waste of time
>items feel meh
>brawl updated with new textures
>barely any new content
>recycled stages and character movesets
>classic is shit
>>337836787
In the trophy cases, Kanto Pokemon, Pikachu takes up two spots.. it really bothered me that Koffing didn't have a spot in it
>>337846294
why not replace one of his non iconic moves like his generic punches, or spin jump up b, or tooth grab move that no one uses
>>337845950
All items or bust
>>337842980
That's recycled from Kirby Air Ride, actually.
>>337846018
If you get grabbed by Bowser you can determine where he lands, it's not hopeless.
>>337846324
Also forgot
>bizarre reasoning for character inclusion or exclusion
>blaming and hating the fans
>clones
>>337845794
>autocombo
lol
>victory themes reused from Brawl
>new Mother and F-Zero stages exclusive to 3DS version
>The entire WiiU version's classic mode
>>337845950
Not in smash 4 single player modes you can't. And it doesn't change that items went from passable and fun to use on occasion, to absolute shit.
>>337846650
Roy players d-tilting 20 times is great
>>337836787
>mother victory theme is not the mother victory theme
>>337846650
>implying shines aren't free as fuck
>>337836787
>lack of customs for dlc characters
>no story mode with characters mingling together
>bayonetta doesn't use her pillow talk moveset with beam sword equipped
i know roster kids are still assravaged over FE having 6, (but hey, besides Hackurai, Nintendo really wants this series to be one of the new big hitters, so no point of arguing why FE is suddenly everywhere now.)
i'm still heavily pissed off on Sakurai take on Chrom
>let's Robin uses Nosferatu while being a Tactician
>doesn't let Chrom also used his javelin in his moveset w/out being a Great Lord
>Sakurai: "Chrom pretty goo-...lol throw him out, he'd be Marth+Ike."
>Sakurai: "since this is the last minute, let's make Lucina 'Marth for novice players'! she's way apart to be a costume anyways!"
>>337836787
>FYI She's an assist trophy ;) LOOOOL TROLLED ;)
FUCK YOU SAKURAI FUCK YOU AND EVERYTHING YOU STAND FOR
>>337847335
>wanting to punch a little girl
>Enjoy these clones characters, but it's alright it didn't take up development time.
>Players have to play as them to unlock shit anyway.
I'm bothered by the taunts. Most of them could be a LOT better.
Look at characters like Charizard and Little Mac. You barely notice their taunts at all. And then most of the returning cast just re-uses Brawl taunts.
>>337844791
>Having the most autistic fanbase?
and you're still implying anything in the Smash fandom is not autism everywhere, but hey, you and your bias for the type of Smash you like.
>Grinding for custom moves
>Grinding for hats and other items for custom characters
>The only way to have a reasonable amount of luck is delaying the spin wheel input in the 3ds version
>For some reason you unlock custom moves for everyone but the character you are playing as
>Smash run had an interesting concept but was overall boring as fuck
>Level 9 difficulty starts dropping explosive capsules and bombs when you go to attack other fighters
Despite all that, it never fails to make me smile when I kill a Cloud main and they sperg out and pick Toon Link for the next 5 rounds and have ~60 projectiles within a 3 minute match.
>>337847335
I know worse characters have got in (see: corrin) but were you unironically expecting ashley to get in? Jimmy T, 9 volt and mona I imagine would have priority before her
>>337846294
What's wrong with replacing one of the most fucking annoying, abusable moves in the entire franchise?
>>337847285
He's still just a dude swinging a sword in the end, having a javelin doesn't really do enough to make him special.
And there's no hypocrisy in adding Lucina either, even though she's the same, just another person swinging a sword. In the end, they were both rejected in favor of the ONE planned new FE character and given other roles. It's just that being being a costume gave Lucina the good fortune of crawling back onto the roster. If the costume had been Chrom, he'd have been the clone and Lucina would have been elsewhere.
>>337846324
DID the DLC ballot really help anything at all?
>>337846294
>Palutena gets completely unique specials
>Wario can't even get one
PM Wario and Smash 4 Wario are both great fun.
>>337844458
Super underrated track. It's frustrating that Wario's music got raped this time around. I mean what the hell? They kept his remix out of the English version despite having the Jap lyric versions in Brawl.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_bmHLySfGY
>>337845851
I hate this too. You have to pay voice actors just as if they were recording new when reusing lines cause of the whole unionization right? Why not just record new lines?
>>337848145
>unique specials
Custom specials that is, whoops.
>>337847335
At least she's got SOMETHING along with her new Jap. theme.
Half the cast doesn't even HAVE a goddamn trophy and they were in the series since the very beginning, including Jimmy T, Dribble and Spitz, Orbulon.18-Volt was introduced in Twisted.
And even the major part of the trophies that aren't Ashley or Kat & Ana, which the latter was already imported from Brawl, are fucking 2D. Is it even necessary to bring up the whole Mona Pizza & Mike's theme being completely non-existant in the game because I'm pretty sure anyone who has played WarioWare has at least noticed that.
Come to think about it, no. Fuck this shit. Sakurai does NOT care about your obscure characters.
He just cares for the incredibly popular ones.
Of which that includes Ashley and that's why she even got a Assist Trophy in the first place.
Had she not gotten the attention she has in Pixiv, he probably would give about as much shit about her as the rest of the gang.
Of course, popularity does not always = warranted playable character spot.
>if you use a Mario, DK, or Wario series character, the CONGRATULATIONS font at the end of Classic/All-Star uses a Super Mario font
>...except Yoshi who uses the regular font
>>337847335
>having THIS amount of obsession for a fucking background character
the things Smash hype could do to people
eat shit
>>337847436
>Not wanting to brutally maul the idol of pedophiliac NEETs everywhere.
Faggot.
>>337848445
nice mental gymnastics, Ashleyfag
>Characters don't have their own victory themes
Meta Knight in Brawl and Bowser/Jr in Sm4sh was a step in the right direction
>DK will never have his DK64 voice
>>337848423
The obsession behind Ashley of all characters is so confusing to me.
It can't all be lolicons, can it?
>>337848704
As a lover of music, this.
All the characters could have a unique theme, but instead get stuck with generic ones for their franchise.
>>337847715
>stinky cheese man
did the art always look that good?
>>337848704
Rosalina and Dark Pit got their own victory themes as well.
>>337848751
dA hold a ton of ashleyfags there too
>>337848942
How did I completely forget this?
>>337847335
>people think anything short of fully playable is shitting on them
You disgust me, and I say this as a fellow degenerate lolicon. She made it pretty far for a character whose popularity is basically equivalent to being the one WarioWare character with the most fanart by perverts. I was pretty glad to see her acknowledged to the point where she got an AT.
>>337836787
Nintendo is red pilled
>>337848704
>music modding
>you can have about 60 different victory themes
>mfw I made Cloud's Victory theme to E Rank music from Sonic Unleash
>>337848704
I think Sakurai was planning on doing that at some point. Every character in Smash 4 (as seen on the left) actually has their own unique victory theme slot. I guess they only had time to do a select few like Bowser and Rosalina.
It's modding paradise, however.
olimar gets 3 pikman at a time because im guessing 'balance'
Meanwhile fucking release zero suit samus and shiek get to attack without any fucking end lag in ANY OF THEIR FUCKING MOVES AND ZS GETS A FUCKING DOWN SMASH THAT STUNS AND ALLOWS YOU TO USE A FOLLOWUP FORWARD SMASH ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME.
the fact that you put lucina, marth AND roy in the same fucking game while not including certain characters... just fucking no.
>>337849001
But it's not a bad idea. They can definitely do something for all or most of the characters. Like Luigi can have a victory theme from Dark Moon, Dedede from Triple Deluxe, etc.
>>337849181
I need to get into modding this game since I have a bunch of time on my hands. Where is a good place to start?
>>337848262
>Of course, popularity does not always = warranted playable character spot.
>tfw Sakurai said this long after the game was done/DLC getting started
http://nintendoeverything.com/sakurai-again-comments-on-clone-characters-in-smash-bros-roster-approach/
>“We do various kinds of research during the planning stage. We consider the inclusion of characters "that feature in games being developed at the same time", "are highly requested by users", and "are popular within their series". We then think about how they could be unique if they were to appear in Super Smash Bros.”
>“Even if a character is highly popular and famous, they might not be chosen to appear as a fighter in Smash Bros because they lack uniqueness. On the other hand, if a character seems to have the potential to exhibit an interesting characteristic, they might be selected regardless of their popularity.”
>>337849181
>>337849253
I don't know the first thing about modding but if I ever take the time to read up on it and git gud this is the first thing I'm doing
>>337849285
>>337849443
http://pastebin.com/8u0WAyJC
Take your time and don't think hard
>>337839930
>jigglypuff and kirby
>>337849538
Thanks family
>>337839891
They actually mention that Robin shouldn't normally be able to use Nosferatu in one of the in-game tooltips. I think the official explanation is that Robin can re-class into a Dark Mage, so it's fine.
>>337849538
Wow thanks a lot!
>>337836787
>The little things that bother you about Smash 4
its not 64
>>337847285
>tfw no Chrom with a moveset similar to that in PxZ 2
It hurts
>>337848751
It's a combination of both pedophiles/lolicons, people who can't draw anyone other than her incredibly simplistic design other than Orbulon (sleeve hands, simple shapes, hidden body for the lack of anatomy study), people who like Touhou, people who like Harry Potter and/or witches and magic in general, people who can relate to the fact that she has no friends despite being clearly coupled with the WarioWare gang and being in the game for some reason (holy shit, is that goddamn song stupid about that), people who think they are as cute and mean as her and can also relate and people that get easily hypnotized that got the song stuck to their heads after hearing her name for so long during her stage.
Of course, there's those that just like her like a normal fan would, but good fucking luck finding them because they are sadly being cast away in a vast sea of utter cancer.
>>337849665
>>337849776
not him but here are the filenames for all the songs in the game
some sites like brawl custom music don't have all of them
http://pastebin.com/cxxGx5av
>>337849272
Olimar gets 3 Pikmin because of 8-player Smash, dipshit
I wish the Mii costumes could be used for all three classes. I want a jumpsuit swordfighter and a pirate brawler and gunner and shit.
>>337849538
>>337849986
Time to make Smash great again
>>337836787
The fact that it's 99% neutral game.
>>337845851
>the fact that there is still no "SUPER SMAAAAASH BROTHEERS"in the title screen
The fact that these were missing from Brawl and 4 are the biggest travesties.
>>337849031
>She made it pretty far for a character whose popularity is basically equivalent to being the one WarioWare character with the most fanart by perverts.
>secondary cucks
i hate these faggots
>>337836787
The fucking menus are the fucking worst
![c63[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/GzTt5rU.png "c63[1].png")
>this isn't in the game
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L0pW3Eol6k
>yet we get another fucking remix of Mute City
>also the same Big Blue from 15 years ago
>>337836787
I'd like it more if it wasn't such a flowchart game. I expect the same thing from every Falcon, from every Yoshi, etc. Falcons will run towards you, grab, do that same combo, etcetc.
>>337849308
>Even if a character is highly popular and famous, they might not be chosen to appear as a fighter in Smash Bros because they lack uniqueness
>Uniqueness
Here's how to call out on his bullshit.
Out of all the Fire Emblem characters, how many of them are actually unique?
Answer this truthfully.
>Lack of balance
>Counters in general
>Boring ass SP content
>Heavies are forever shit characters
>I love punch out but little mac is the gimmick of sm4sh, having no air game makes you shit. I rather remove his super armor and get some decent air attacks
>the only reason to buy the wii u version is to have better graphics and less shitty experience online
>darkpit
>>337850375
psst,fighter diversity
>>337850340
But I like the Big Blue Melee song.
>>337850179
Guy who voices the announcer said they had him do takes for "SUPER SMASH BROTHERS" but didn't know if they were using them or not
Apparently not.
>>337850375
...all of them except Lucina and maybe Roy? Even Roy plays very differently from Marth.
>>337850375
Marth, Ike, and Robin.
>>337850375
>Marth
>Ika
>Robin
>Corrin
4
Lucina and Roy aren't truly unique
>>337850340
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDpDYRkmmkA
>>337850445
>lack of balance
It really isn't that bad thanks to the balance patches. I mean Mewtwo of all characters just won a national recently.
>>337840352
How about Mii in offline randoms? The random button on the CSS won't give you Mii Fighters, despite the fact that they show up in the demo screen and the AI seems to work just fine.
>no Bowser's Castle stage
>>337850510
I do too m8, it's a great remix. I'm just saying we haven't got a new version of one of the series' most popular songs in 15 years. The ONLY new music we got is another Mute City remix, and it's not even as good as Brawls.
>>337850445
>Lack of balance
Isn't it the most balanced in the series?
>>337850375
Marth, Ike, Robin, and Corrin whether you like it or not.
>>337850743
And Brawl's Mute City isn't as good as Melee's.
>>337840031
So many of the Brawl victory themes fucking sucked. You had worse renditions of themes from Melee, then you had crappy replacements or new songs that don't even fit as victory themes (Wario's victory theme was put INTO Wario Land Shake It, not the other way around, Mother has that weird opening theme bit sped up) which has continued into Smash 4 with stuff like Mega Man and Shulk getting snippets of Wily Castle 2/You Will Know Our Names instead of an actual victory jingle etc.
And Meta-Knight getting his own victory theme in Brawl as if he wasn't spoilt enough, followed by Dark Pit of all people getting his own.
>>337845090
Jesus, this. I've always been an all items on high guy, but
>gust bellows
>master ball
>the two assemble instant kill items
>beetle
>boss Galaga
Fuck.
>>337847860
>see Corrin
Are people still bootyblasted?
Soundtrack. Hands down. It's such a disappointing piece of shit. Everything is axed to fit the retarded 2 minute quota so nerds playing For Fun online can hear the end of the song. The remixes are also pretty shitty.
Little Mac has 16 colors available but characters with two genders or costumes such as Robin, Villager, Olimar/Alph, Wario, ect. only get four per each variation.
>>337847335
Oh come on, she got a Mii costume. That's more than a ton of better characters.
Smash Tour didn't deserve to be one of the first things you see, it's a shitty gimmick mode you'll drop after getting the unlocks shoved into it, even if you have friends
>Games & More has all the fucking single player+coop shit buried in it
>amiibo, something Nintendo pushed hard is in a submenu
>Trophy Rush isn't with the other minigames, it's with the trophy gallery and snapshots
>>337850998
Mega Man's victory theme is the opening of Mega Man 2, which is overrated as fuck and hogged nearly all the Mega Man content in Smash.
>>337850636
I'm glad mewtwo rose from the dead.
>>337850803
Not really , sure compared to the others yes but about half the cast have nothing against top tiers.
>>337851006
>all the items that do basically the same thing
>Bees and cucco swarm whoever they hit
>Galaga and Beetle try take players out off the top of the screen
what the fuck is this shit
They seriously need to restructure All-Star mode's levels now that we have DLC characters
Some levels (especially the first and second) feel too fucking crowded now while the last is still too few. It's jarring.
I actually feel like I have to delete the DLC data just to get the beat it with every character on Hard mode shit done and over with
>>337850615
>>337850879That's still 4 out of 6 though.Whether you like it or not, there was a point where it needed to stop in order to not make characters for the sake of just making them.Well, the world wouldn't then have Lucina and I'm sure there'd be a outbreak if they felt her missing. I'm actually not sure who wanted who more, if Lyn or Lucina.
does anybody else have a Love-Hate relationship with Sakurai's decisions and opinions?
Pros:
>made Mii Fighters so the majority people wanting non-vidya/real world shit can flock there (except super rosterautists like gokufags)
>dropped the gritty realism style for the toy-like take that also matches where they appear from
Cons:
>his wife doing the menus again
>dropped adventure mode due to cutscenes recorded to youtube
>Mario is permanently angry
>Tharja lost her trophy
>the trophies are way more expensive in the Wii U version
>the Wii U version is also able to have multiple of the same trophy on sale at the same time
>the menu doesn't have touch controls
>no Pokémon have their shiny colouration, even Greninja's is slightly off
>>337850998
Agreed, but apparently, in Brawl, it was planned that every character would get a unique victory theme (or at least, a unique spin on it). Meta Knight's was the only one to make it in to the final game.
Also, I just want to say that the normal Kid Icarus victory theme used by Pit and Palutena really grates on the ears, and that's why I'd rather pick Dark Pit and his soothing Latin melody over them. Captain Falcon's post-Brawl theme also hurts as well. Seriously, who thought those were good ideas?
>>337847715
I'm on my phone so I can't post the video, but getting the last Mii hat was the last thing I did in the 3DS version.
>Floral Hat acquired!
>You got all the costume pieces!
>You did every achievement!
>You unlocked all the trophies!
And then I had to do it again in the WiiU version.
>>337851283
I think that's just because the wireframe skins were easy to make. Technically it doesn't change Mac's geometry, it just turns his skin into a green mesh. Seems like at the tailend of development they took all of Mac's normal costumes and reskinned them. Something like this couldn't be done with Alph or Overalls Wario.
>>337851597
>>his wife doing the menus again
Didn't she always do the menus?
Unlockibg customs.
Especially the fact that its possible to get duplicate drops for customs with no way to turn them into moves you dont have
>>337851361
>Mega Man's victory theme is the opening of Mega Man 2, which is overrated as fuck and hogged nearly all the Mega Man content in Smash.
I came in here to say something like this.
I mean holy fuck, the stage select theme or the boss defeated theme both would make perfect sense for a victory theme. Why on earth would they just take the title music and shorten it for that purpose?
And three out of four of his specials are MM2 related even though MM2 had really boring choices for attacks. Basically all of his alt specials are better.
Except for the down B one, that one's just permanently fucked by design and nothing done to it could make it useful or interesting.
>>337851509
Which is why you normally don't see people defending Lucina's inclusion, or Roy outside of OUR BOY memers.
Had there been no FE character for DLC I would defend Lucina. FE:A saved the franchise from doom and that deserves recognition. If they had planned out the DLC beforehand, I doubt Lucina would be there.
But there is DLC and we do have too many FE characters, and I hope Lucina and Roy fuck off. Corrin can stay because he's unique.
>>337851318
>Forgot that she even got a Mii costume
>Oh maybe they'll finally give a shit about the other charactersI am beyond royally mad because they literally gave priority over just one overrated little piece of shit over those who were legitimately in the first game and they literally couldn't even afford to make o n e measly Mii costume at the very least to anyone else other than her.
>Mega Man never blinks
And don't give me that shit that "he's a robot, why would he need to blink?" It's still very bothering.
>>337847860
>Jimmy T, 9 volt and mona I imagine would have priority before her
Ashley's more popular than all of them. What kind of moveset would Mona even have anyway?
>>337851509
>That's still 4 out of 6 though.
and?
>Whether you like it or not, there was a point where it needed to stop in order to not make characters for the sake of just making them.
totally not because of all the Royfags (aka ROY'S OUR BOY ROY'S OUR BOY!) kept begging him back and Lucina being a last minute extra?
Of all the fucking things to recycle, why the FUCK would they keep the absolute SHIT victory themes from Brawl? Compare these fucking things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1sop-p6_rM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa6Yo2fwbdI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aPbvSyu-V0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b1IofZQvlQ
Not to mention the new victory themes sound like shit made in GarageBand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2sgamb6Hac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDT-L0qV-JU
And fuck you, F-Zero X victory arrangement > GX's weak ass shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDWI-7zBKP8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcqFQH4MOcU
>>337851738
But they already made those extra renders, would it be so hard to just palate swap a few more for them? I'm not saying make more Villagers and in hindsight I wouldn't have included them in that list. I'm just asking for more colors.
>>337852163
I prefer Brawl's over Melee's
>>337837796
>His new forward smash is absolute ass. Wario used to have one of the best smash attacks and now he has one of the worst.
the funny thing is that Sakurai thought he was giving Wario a buff with his new forward smash.
>>337852412
That's because you're a fucking faggot.
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VcmsMW3.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
>>337852037
The awful thing is too if you look at pre-release videos, he did blink. I've never been a fan of how they made him 3D rendered 8-bit sprite. Victory screens are fucking creepy the way he's 100% static. I think Marvel got him down the best.
>>337852163
Not denying that Dark Pit's theme sounds like something an amateur made in GarageBand, but that's still way better than what they gave to Pit (and Palutena in Smash 4):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYUk8h1EvF0
I think my ears are bleeding now.
>>337852046
Well, we will never know that now, will we.
It's not like she ever had a chance of getting a decent moveset, right?
>>337842901
I thought Brawl was underwhelming. Melee didn't have the number of modes, but the modes it did have were far more fleshed out/polished.
Oh wait, I guess you're talking about SSE. Well if you liked it I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. It was ambitious at least.
>>337852590
But if I was a faggot I'd be riding Melee's dick
>>337852634
That's from Brawl, which is why it's shit.
The worst part is that Uprising had a perfectly good song to just slap in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tbItdE4JdE
But no, they wouldn't do that. It was either keep the Brawl one or make a shitty, unnecessary inferior remix like more than half of Uprising's music in Smash.
>>337842901
Here's your (you)
>>337852163
But all of those except maybe Fox's victory theme are better in Brawl
I mean if you are gonna make this argument at least give some good examples like Game and Watch's of Ness's. Those 2 are way better in Melee compared to Brawl
I feel like any complaints about music will be invalidated once this comes out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mUPFhbmzZE
>>337852604
Dat thousand yard stare.
>>337836787
>Single Player is crap
>No Adventure Mode of some sort
>Palutena's Specials are the worst ones
>Wizard's Dropkick isn't Ganondorf's defulat DSpecial
>Wario got some alt colors removed while Little Mac has 16
>Phantom Footstooling
>Almost everyone has a DThrow > UTilt/UAir
>Almost every Sword character has a Counter move
>Omega Stages being a thing instead of just having a Hazards Off Switch
>Suit Samus doesn't have a Sex Kick
>OHKO Items appear too fucking much in Classic Mode, right along side eachother too as a matter of fact
>Lucina and Dark Pit
>Regular 75m
>Getting caught under Pyrosphere's terrain when recovering
>Equipment RNG
>No 8 Player Smash Online (even though it'd probably be a lagfest)
>Too many transition Stages
>Most Music choices are shitty
>Crowd Cheers are just shit
>Pac-Man and Mega Man don't have their respective death sounds on their Star KOs
>Classic Mode doesn't feel like a Classic Mode (No Break the Targets, RNG Special Fights [Metal or Giant])
>No Smash Run on the Wii U version
>No Snake or Wolf
>No Offline Tournament Mode
>Upward KOs can be the Explosion one thus fucking over Jigglypuff getting Rest KOs sometimes
>Mega Man 2 stuff being overused
>No Boss fucking Battles (no Wily or Eggman)
>>337852848
Thing is, even among Brawl's victory themes, Pit's and Captain Falcon's stand out as being utterly atrocious. They are so bad that I go out of my way to avoid using those characters in multiplayer, just so I don't have to hear their victory themes.
I cannot tell you how many times I pressed the menu on the gamepad thinking it was touch screen. They even look like they were made to be pushed.
Event matches on hard are complete horseshit and other single player modes along with the A.I. felt like the dev team saying "You want harder? I'll fucking give you harder".
>let's bring Pac-Man in the game but like not reference any game but Pac-Man and some shitty Pac-Man spin-off
>and then we'll use generic arcade themes from other namco shit as filler
>pac-man world? nah that shit doesnt exist man
>>337852848
>like Wrath of the Reset Bomb, bretty gud koshiro song
>Koshiro remixed it
>it doesn't sound as good
same goes for Shimomura with the dream team song
they really didn't need to remix those
>>337845090
This
>>337852046
she got the crowd, yet she's still as prior as every other WW cast in her own main games.
just look at Rhythm Heaven 3DS. hell, and remember Kat & Ana had the AT role before Ashley did.
>>337853176
You know, to be honest I was mad too when I realized this, but then again I main pac man
And the only reason I main him is because his moveset is fun as fuck. Including the random as shit fire hydrant.
>>337853093
>>337852037
>>337852604
>sakurai heavily based him on his MM2 sprites
there's the problem
>>337853023
I still think Gilgamesh would have been a great Final Fantasy rep.
>>337853176
>let's give the iconic maze to the 3DS version
>lol what if we put Pac-Land on the Wii U
>>337853176
I though Pac-Man was fun but I really don't get Sakurai's hard on for Pac-Land of all things.
>>337853239
>that feelio Shimomura Kirby stuff will never be seen in Smash
please god, i hope Planet Robobot does something about this
>>337853176
I don't really mind him having various Namco stuff in his moveset. I like that he basically represents old school Namco games as a whole.
It's like how Duck Hunt's moveset includes references to the NES Zapper games like Hogan's Alley and Wild Gunman.
>>337853140
>trying to quit a match on the gamepad
>WHO THE FUCK THOUGHT THIS WAS OKAY
>>337853671
He meant the music. The moveset is fine.
>>337845032
I really hope that guy is being ironic
still hilarious either way
>>337853638
why do people hate Pac-Man 2 again?
>>337852163
>>337853126
Actually, speaking of Captain Falcon's victory theme, I'd like to say something regarding that. While I prefer F-Zero X's music over GX's in general, GX didn't have a bad soundtrack. Its victory theme was still pretty good, just not as utterly eargasmic as X's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9bwuqD59_E
How the FUCK did they manage to turn it into something so utterly, unbearably awful to listen to for Brawl?
>>337852163
>F-Zero X victory arrangement > GX's weak ass shit
but the GX theme in Brawl isn't even the original
It's a shitty remix
When will Wii U modding get to the point where we can add everything from the 3DS version to the Wii U? If the next system doesn't have a combined port this is what I'd have to make due with. I don't think people realize just how much content both games have when you put them together.
>>337853701
THIS
>>337854154
>we could have had one complete console Smash with all the stages and modes
>Sakurai only wanted to have the 3DS version
>Iwata had to tell him to make a console version
>we could have had even LESS Smash content
>>337854472
Imagine what the reception would be if Sakurai had his way and we only got the 3DS version.
>WOOOOOOOW THE WII U DOESNT EVEN HAVE A PROPER MARIO, ITS OWN ZELDA, ORRR SMASH BROS
>>337854154
>When will Wii U modding get to the point where we can add everything from the 3DS version to the Wii U?
that'll be when Brawl modding and Super Metroid romhacking gets to levels where RNG editing being possible in Super Mario World romhacking via Lunar Magic
I just wish smash 4 wasnt so slow and floaty, it's become really painful to watch.
>>337854472
>>337854642
Yeah, Iwata made the right call there. RIP, dude.
>>337854757
by RNG editing, i mean:
RPG/Romancing SaGa mechanics in a fucking Mario platformer
>>337854903
>/Romancing SaGa mechanics
don't throw that in like it isn't an rpg
>>337854472
I don't disagree with Sakurai's idea of a portable Smash. In fact the idea is very novel and he wanted to do it after getting experience on the hardware with Uprising. I don't know if he knew about the Wii U before Iwata confronted him on it.
>>337845090
This so much. Even look at the pokemon now compared to 64 or Melee.
>>337837770
The overall rushed nature of the games. Reused stages, music, models for trophies, pretty bad single player content, no unique intro, etc
>Smash 4's gameplay wasn't tweaked enough to not get bored of it
>Past FE characters that were actually interesting get shafted for boring new ones
>No 2nd namco character
>No Pac-man death sound as his star KO
>No new zelda character (no not impa)
>No new starfox character (no not wolf)
>No 2nd Square character
>Lucina is in the game
>>337855046
i'm referring to the Super Kitiku World hack with the false final boss fight with The Seven Koopalings
>>337844708
This and the trophies in general not being nearly as informative as in past games. Half the trophy descriptions are just jokes in this.
I don't know if that's the localizers or Sakurai, though.
>tfw Starfy will never become playable
>That Rosalina trailer and that assist screenshot still kills me inside to this day.
All I ask is that he's portrayed properly. I want him to team up with Kirby too, and just come back..
>>337855282
I gave up on the idea of him being a playable character. I at least just want an Assist Trophy that doesn't suck ass. I swear Starfy can't do a damn thing.
>>337836787
Can't wavedash
>>337842901
Took the words right out of my mouth m8
>>337855215
>I don't know if that's the localizers or Sakurai, though.
The Mother/Earthbound writers wrote the Japanese description for all the trophies this time around.
>>337836787
Read the Source Gaminng article about Wario's grossness. He was always a farting poop-obsessed slob in Japan.
>>337855282
>had playable bones on his model
>listed along with the playable characters in the trophy section of Brawl
>>337855215
They got the MOTHER team to do the descriptions.
>You could say theses ones are... pretty fly for a Shy Guy. No? Never mind.
Sakurai's characters are still OP
>>337855759
git gud, For Glory cuck.
>Dedede's new final smash
that's like having link's final smash be him grabbing you with the clawshot and throwing a bomb
lazy and uncreativelike his first
Chrom is excluded because "No use in having carbon copies of Ike"
Lucina fights like Marth
"Where did you learn to fight like that?"
"From my father"
Did Sakurai even play Awakening
>>337856009
Final Smashes are just all around fucking pointless.
>>337856147
he said Fates was a dating sim
>>337856009
I liked the Big Gay Dance. It wasn't at all effective but it was a thousand times more fun. Kind of like Cook Kirby. All the Final Smashes this time around are functional instead of wacky and out there. In general I miss the Waddle Dee Throw.
>>337856263
That's bullshit and you know it.
At best he said the dating sim-like features are entirely optional and didn't hamper his enjoyment of the game.
>>337856313
>All the Final Smashes this time around are functional instead of wacky and out there.
3DS hardware limits.
>>337844023
>Why does Sakurai never bother to give the transformation characters (ie Giga Bowser, Giga Mac, Mega Lucario, etc) their own corresponding palette swaps?
Licensing
SEGA doesn't want a red Sonic. Gamefreak doesn't want a purple Pikachu, etc.
>>337856460
he only argued that so he can defend why Smash Tour isn't so fucking shit
>direct translations
>lack the charm of the English localization that even Sakurai himself preferred
>since JAPAN, no Hades because he's boring over there
>Palutena's replacement VA is boring
>DLC characters get a generic one
>classic is absolute rushed, padded garbage, made me want to replay subspace emisary
>FE favoritism
>quarter of the cast has a counter
>no L cancelling
>ledge snapping
>no option to turn stage hazards off
>somehow a bit WORSE than brawl
you'd think sakurai would know that fans want a game SLIGHTLY faster than brawl.
"middleground" my ass
>>337856313
>>337856485
Dedede still could have been putting on the mask and getting real like Warioman.
>>337856645
Literally the one instance where memehouse memes would have paid off.
Nope enjoy ur japanese ""humor""
>>337856645
>the one time Treehouse was actually needed
>>337855442
>>337855723
I feel like this was the nail on the coffin for my trust on Sakurai. Removing Ice Climbers and Lucas in the beginning, but also removing the good things from Brawl was the last straw. That and his decisions are shit really.
As a Starfy fan myself, he's terribly misrepresented as the assist he is. Hell, people all assume Starfy is this weak piece of shit characters thanks to his portrayal in smash.
The only thing I can hope now is a crossover with Kirby, aka HAL collabing with Tose at this point, maybe from there if the story ever focused more on Starfy or something, it could lead to him being more well known.
>2 of the dlc fighters were clones
>Ryu was gimmicky
>Corrin was completely unacceptable
>They didn't bother to give Cloud an English voice actor
>Bayonetta should not have won the ballot
Why is Mewtwo the only acceptable DLC?
Even then he still isn't that good
>>337856550
Yeah but Mac and Bowser are in-house characters aren't they?
Unless Next Level Games and Miyamoto doesn't want Giga Mac and Giga Bowser to have alts for some reason. I mean in Punch-Out!! Wii the second player in Versus Mode could turn into Giga Mac with the corresponding colors.
>>337856902
>Removing Ice Climbers
That was only because of the 3DS version. If the next Smash's hardware was strong enough, they'll be back.
>>337856645
>>since JAPAN, no Hades because he's boring over there
i hate this
just one day, I'll mod him into Brawl/Sm4sh over Dark fucking Pit.
>>337856550
>implying NLG gives a fuck about recolored Mac
They just didn't care.
>>337856991
Dunno.
I just know this is the reason behind guys like PAC-MAN or Sonic only getting different colored shoes
>>337836787
>3DS remembers your preferred colors for characters.
>Wii U version doesn't.
and
>Farming Crazy Orders for hats.
>Make a custom build that starts with the Home Run Bat.
>You are significantly more likely to drop the bat when hit than the AI the further you go.
>>337854472
We could have a different smash games on, with another roster more like Jump US
>>337857134
Not just colours it also remembered your control set. I hate accidentally hitting up and jumping.
>you can get custom repeats
>you can't just buy the damn things with all those excess coins you have since the trophy shop doesn't even have 1/4 of the trophies
>Midgar has two fucking songs
I know it's probably an issue with Square not wanting to give Nintendo the rights but damn I was disappointed.
>>337848721
>Diddy Kong will never have his DK64 voice
>>337857567
>One-Winged Angel wasn't one of them
ONE
JOB
>>337836787
Sakurai made a lot of weird decisions in Smash bros.
>Wario = le gross fart man
>Sonic stands around with his hands on his hips gayly
>Link is heavy as fuck instead of light and acrobatic
>DK and Diddy are hyperactive retards instead of the "cool and reserved" versions from the original DKC trilogy.
>Ganondorf jogs around doing karate
>>337856902
>Ice Climbers
Honestly no one would care about them if they weren't added in Melee. They're like Jigglypuff, Shiek, and Captain Falcon at this point. Smash characters.
As much as I like Starfy he isn't All-star material either. Only 1 of 5 games released worldwide and the 4 released in Japan didn't really reach critical acclaim. Not to mention Tose is basically dead. They haven't made anything but shovelware during the past decade and haven't released anything for 3 years.
Let's be real. He's an assist trophy for a reason.
3DS was a mistake.
>>337857723
Those complaints mostly sounds like your autistic headcanon disagreeing with Sakurai's.
>HAVING TO PAY $5.99 FOR A JAPANESE VOICE, AND A SHITTY HAZARDOUS BATTLEFIELD WITH 2 SONGS
WHEN WILL THEY STOP
>reused assets
>>337857904
>Bowser Jr. is not a clone
>Bowser Jr. is not uninspired, has a creative moveset
>provides the Koopalings without taking 8 slots total
I really don't see the problem people have with him.
>>337857904
>>337855194
>>337847335
man OP said no rosterfagging yet still can't keep out the roster autists out of the thread.
sad.
>>337858104
muh paintbrush staff
>>337857723
>Wario = le gross fart man
You can thank the latter games and the fact that he's based more on WarioWare.
>You can't customize the character select screen music to be the original 64 rendition, aka the match results screen music
>>337857904
>removes Jr.
>leaves in Rosalina
m8 I know your excuse is "padding"
don't be a hypocrite
>>337858089
>Nintendo will literally have Charles record a few dozen new WAHOOS for spinoffs and NSMBs
>Mario completely reuses clips from Brawl
