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https://mynintendonews.com/2016/05/16/nintendo-reiterates-that-nx-is-a-new-way-of-playing-games/
It's another gimmick console that will deter 3rd party support. Why is Nintendo killing themselves so desperately?
They're talking about it so vaguely its impossible not to have high expectations. Its probably going to be a new handheld that plugs into a unit for TV gameplay and everybody will be rightly disappointed.
They're talking about it so vaguely its impossible not to have high expectations. Its probably going to be a new handheld that plugs into a unit for TV gameplay and everybody will be rightly disappointed.
>>337793027
I'm convinced their management is extremely fucking stupid and they have every right to fail.
I was actually going to buy an NX if it was just a gaming console and nothing else.
Like if it were GameCube 2 instead of Wii 3.
If there's a screen in the controller they can fuck right off.
Guys what if the NX is actually good
It's going to be another VR goggles
>>337793027
>I hate innovation
>I want every console to be the same boring thing
>I want Nintendo to forfeit its own identity
Kill yourself, OP.
They were never gonna win third parties back anyway, the only way forward is to consolidate and create their own success, maybe selling enough that third parties come back on their own.
I know the vast majority of non-Wii U owning /v/ anons want a Nintendo PS4, but that is not going to work.
you mean how the wii failed because it had a non-traditional controller?
oh...
>>337793786
The Wii was the equivalent of Aqua Girl: an one hit wonder.
>>337793769
Nintendo used to make normal consoles and handhelds before you were even born jackass
>>337793027
They're completely out of touch with their fanbase
Just give me a SNES2 for fucks sake
>>337793950
>normal console
>the NES controller had a microphone
>Game & Watch
>Virtual Boy
>ROB
ok
>>337794037
And all of those things failed spectacularly!
>>337794037
Accessories and the biggest failure in vidya history wow
>>337793027
>It's another gimmick console that will deter 3rd party support.
if you spam it without argument another 100 time maybe it will be true!
>>337793909
you mean barbie girl?
>>337793636
maybe in a different galaxy
>>337794210
argument?
>new way to play games
>nintendo is so entrenched in gimmicks that they don't know that this "new way" is actually completely normal and gimmickless
>>337794092
>>337794149
Move the goalposts some more will you.
>>337794037
>the NES controller had a microphone
Only the Famicom's second controller (which lacked start/select buttons).
Also they invented the D-pad and modern analog stick (the old ones were used by your entire hand vs just a thumb) the latter of which was considered a gimmick for its time.
>>337794037
>Features that were barely used or sold like shit
>>337793909
Fuck HHAHAHAHA
>>337794271
N-NINTENDOOOMED
>>337793769
Spotted the nintendrone.
>>337794426
I guess the Wii U Gamepad isn't a gimmick since it's barely used and sold like shit.
>>337794392
How is it moving the goalposts?
Even with all of that gimmicky shit Nintendo never stopped making normal consoles, at least until the Wii.
>>337794320
>He says as he praises VR shit
ok, senpai
>>337794602
You've never played a Wii U, why are you posting?
>>337793302
>high expectations
>Nintendo
>2016
How's this possible?
>>337793776
Yeah, because the Wii U didn't sell like shit and had so many games.
>>337793786
The Wii came out when smartphones and tablets weren't a thing, that's why it sold so much. Kids and casuals just play on their phones nowadays.
>>337794640
>he praises VR shit
Where did he mentioned VR you toddler?
>>337794773
High expectations in the sense of pic related.
>>337794153
Oh so the Nintendo defense force does still exist
Still convinced it's a tablet or phone. All the evidence seems to suggest it.
It's literally gonna be the Nvidia Shield.
>>337793027
I never understood the point of these fake console mock ups, they're always so retarded
That one on the right is even a rehash of the Project Cafe "leak"
>>337794916
They said it isn't a phone so maybe a Nintendo OS?
Look on the brightside for Nintendo. Pokken Fighters sold more than Street Fighter 5 on consoles.
>>337794153
It's a fact. Just look at your beloved Wii U, Nintendrone
You know, I actually like the Wii U gamepad a lot when used right. I really liked being able to look down at it in Xenoblade and tap on probes without having to go into a second menu and use an analog stick. I don't mind little things that just make the game smoother to play. Off screen play is nice too. The gamepad isn't the Wii Us problem, it's the poor marketing, hardware, lack of 3rd party support, etcetera.
Of course, the NX might just fuck everything up anyway.
>>337794916
I hope so. I would love to use a Nintendo-built smartphone.
>>337795036
Nintendo consoles have high attach rates because for the most part they make good games that people want to play. Just look at the prices for Wii U games used, Nintendo don't have a say in those. (outside of printing more copies which in the case of Bayonetta 2 they did)
>>337793027
So you want a PS4 that plays Mario games? Fuck off. Consoles are all about gimmicks. Go play on PC if you don't want gimmicks.
>>337794816
A Nintendo PS4 doesnt guarantee sales or third party support.
Wii U was riding on their failed reasoning that they could leech off Wii's success. A failure to market the console properly and minimal effort in securing a steady and effective launch lineup screwed it early on, and it never recovered here.
I own 57 or so games for Wii U, at least half of which I would consider to be great.
>>337795036
And R&C sold more than SF0
You're point?
>>337793027
>It's another gimmick console that will deter 3rd party support.
You don't even know what the possible gimmick is. For all you know it could require the developer to do nothing to get the benefits of it.
>>337794916
>evidence
Riiiiiiiiiiight.
>>337794967
>>337794916
nah its gonna be an n gage
>>337795216
>Consoles are all about gimmicks.
The snes and ps2 didn't need gimmicks to be popular and loved
>>337795216
>implying Keyboard and Mouse isnt a gimmick.
>>337795234
Why compare those two? Why even respond?
I have a pc for multiplats.
Nx would be for exclusives.
Who would buy an nx as their sole way of playing vidya ? that seems retarded
>>337795234
The point is that you need to learn the difference between "your" and "you're".
>>337795389
>learn the difference between "your" and "you're".
Hello newfriend
>>337793027
>Why is Nintendo killing themselves so desperately?
They aren't killing themselves
They want another reason to blame the consumer and change industries
Remember when shiggy said it was our fault that the WiiU didn't sell well?
>>337795329
But the Wii and DS needed it to be popular.
>>337795270
If people are going to be buying the "family of consoles" idea instead of the hybrid one, I'm certain NX is a handheld, at least the March release.
>>337795329
>DVD player inside a console
>not a gimmick
>>337793950
>>337794037
The NES was the farthest thing from "normal" at the time, in fact here's a review of someone blasting the controllers for not being an intellivision rehash.
>>337793719
or how they did the 3DS. it's gonna be VR without the VR goggles :^)
All in all, I'm pretty sure the gimmick is that you will be able to use any device to run most of their games? For example, to be able to connect different devices to the NX station, and you will be able to stream and play most games depending on your hardware. Given that they release an actual controller and such for the standard NX device.
>>337795437
>Remember when shiggy said it was our fault that the WiiU didn't sell well?
Someone on /v/ is admitting they are a casual.
Man has this board changed over the years.
Perhaps Kimishima, knowing that the Wii U reveal was a mess, will make the gimmick not the controller, but the console.
Nintendo deserves to fail and become a third party.
This shit is getting ridiculous. Just make a regular fucking console for fucks sake.
>>337795542
gamers used to read that much text at once? it's tldr please give summary or youtube video on it
>>337795437
when?
Does it even matter when the current management has acknowledged the Wii U's failure, hell even Iwata did in his last moments. Why do you think they are making an NX?
what if the gimmick is some shit like cloud saves
>>337795680
we haven't gotten normal consoles since the fucking ps2/gamecube
everything after its a pcwannabe and fails at being a console and at being a pc
>>337793302
>vague information
>high expectation
Nope.
>>337795680
buy a PS4 and Xbone, there, your needs are satisfied.
>>337795640
The NX was already well into its development before Kimi took over, Nintendo starts their next consoles up to half a decade in advance. I doubt he'd be able to change much
>>337795690
I hope you're being facetious
>>337793027
They want to go third party so bad
>>337793027
Ok man, you say gimmick as a bad thing but I think you're in the wrong here. I think Nintendo is just completely out of touch with a world that is stupid and crazy. What the world needs right now is console "gimmicks", because as hardware designers if they design a different or exclusive way of playing games, then that has value. If all you're making is an underpowered pc, then that's literally just an exclusivity box, a way to lock down certain games for yourself with no added value to it.
The problem is the consumers want the exclusivity box that will reassure them they are some hardcore gamer. A generation full of casuals grew up into a generation of casuals that desperately need to check their gamer status, and the casual kiddy Nintendo isn't providing that.
My point is that if the consoles aren't doing something different with their hardware then they're just shitty underpowered PCs.
>>337795861
Stop samefagging so hard.
>>337795810
No. I want to play nintendo games on a regular console. I bought a Wii, and a Wii U, but I wish they'd just go back to making regular consoles like they used to do. So I don't have to rely on getting other consoles.
I've been using Nintendo consoles as my main console for fucking ever, but since the Wii, they've become like secondary consoles.
>>337795542
Its funny because the NES was the least technically advanced console of its era with a gimmick controller yet it sold the best and BTFO the competition with good software. Nintendo were utter Jews about their licensing though so Sega and Sony stealing the industry from them was practically inevitable without Apple tier marketing.
>>337795450
And? Previous popular consoles didn't need them to sell, your goalpost moving sucks
>>337795434
>I was only pretending to be retarded! XD
>>337795868
>that's literally just an exclusivity box
>they're just shitty underpowered PCs
Congratulations, took you 20 years to understand how it works.
>>337795964
Wii U was a regular console.
>>337796043
Stop proving you just started browsing this place last month
>>337795329
>ps2 didn't need gimmicks
It's entire gimmick was being a DVD player, that's over half of the reason it did so well
>>337795964
>So I don't have to rely on getting other consoles.
Why? I'm very much a Nintendo fan, own the shit out of my Wii U, and am able to support it with PC releases and occasional trips across the block to my cousin's place for some PS4 games.
You need to evolve these console loyalties, it only perpetuates the console war atmosphere present on /v/ and especially in Nintendo threads.
>>337795856
>I hope you're being facetious
yes I am, but I also didn't read it so I guess I'm really not
>>337795868
>I think Nintendo is just completely out of touch with a world that is stupid and crazy.
Huey, is that you?
>>337795525
>ps2 games were in DVD format
>this somehow makes the DVD player a gimmick
Might as well can cartridges a gimmick too moron
>>337796134
not really
seriously why are you such a fucking shill? you wish they'd just keep on releasing shit like the wii? how retarded are you?
Nintendo NX is going to fail.
>>337796179
Skip to the last two columns then
Second paragraph in the last column at the very least
>>337793027
Because Japs can't innovate worth shit. They just throw out random ideas and hope something sticks.
They come up with a controller with motion sensitivity, and get stupidly lucky by accidentally tapping into a market that didn't previously exist. Then instead of building on that they scrap it completely for the next console, instead going with a tablet-controller hybrid, the reasoning behind this was likely "kids like tablets, lets make a console that is also a tablet", however is was a catastrophically stupid decision largely because they completely misunderstood why kids like tablets in the first place.
Nintendo are afraid to directly compete with Microsoft and Sony because they know they'll get their shit pushed in, so they're going to keep trying to recreate the success of the Wii, which was lightning in a bottle.
They'll drop out of consoles within 10 years and will start licensing their IPs out to their competitors, while they start developing for mobile. It is inevitable.
>>337794640
>b-but VR
>>337795856
And now the NX is delayed 4 months.
They probably were going to show it off at E3 in the begining, but then changed the concept.
>>337796274
>seriously why are you such a fucking shill?
Why are you such a drone? The Wii U did nothing that was new or unique. All the games you would have loved to play, you would play the exact same way unless the developer chose otherwise.
Nintendo didn't even have a mandate or policy to use the screen unlike Sony did when they were trying to salvage the Vita.
>you wish they'd just keep on releasing shit like the wii?
Never said that. Especially since I never owned a Wii.
>>337796506
go back to agdg
>>337796234
You're a retard.
Its appeal was being a game system that also played DVDs. Parents no longer had to buy separate boxes, they could buy one unit that did both. At the time DVD players were still a couple hundred dollars so this was an incredibly appealing prospect that helped win over the parents buying it for their kids.
>>337796506
who are you quoting?
>>337796134
No, it was a clusterfuck of horrible ideas that showed everyone that nintendo is creatively bankrupt
>>337796015
And? And that's what consoles are about. If I want to play "normally" I would have just built a PC. NES introduced the pads, N64 introduced the joystick, 3DS and DS have double screen, etc. That's why people get consoles, for gimmicks and exclusives.
>>337794817
New way to play isnt completely normal and gimmickless, Xbone and PS4 are looking to expand their base by making new ways to play like VR and augmented reality.
>>337796738
>NES introduced the pads
Wrong.
>>337796729
What horrible "ideas"?
>>337796654
I acknowledge the ps2 was popular for also being a regular DVD player but also you can't call that a gimmick since that was an essential part of the console since it was the way you could play the games
>>337793027
It's a rebranded Nvidia Shield.
>>337796729
really hard to imagine how a touchscreen on the controller mentally damaged so many autists.
>>337796654
He's not retard at all. If it can read DVD discs, it's only natural it will be also serve as a DVD player. If it didn't, everybody would think Sony is retarded.
Convenience doesn't qualify it as gimmick.
>>337796834
It doesn't matter. You get the point.
>>337796234
A lot of people buy Sony consoles because they were fairly cheap DVD/Bluray players when they came out, games are not the main selling point here
>>337796738
If you call those gimmicks them the PC is also guilty of that since they introduced the concept of playing games with mouse and keyboard
>>337796136
Stop being a retard and learn some basic grammar instead of blaming your incompetence on some shitty epic meme when someone calls you out for not knowing the difference between "your" and "you're".
>>337797019
And it hasn't changed since then and people feel comfortable playing with them and they don't want to change that.
>>337796998
>games are not the main selling point here
>games are not the main selling point of consoles
Is this post real?
>>337796872
>>337796952
A gimmick by definition is any unique or special that sets it apart from the competition or attracts attention.
It may have used DVD discs for games but the fact that it could also play regular DVDs was a selling point. Its for all intents and purposes a gimmick.
>>337797202
unique or special feature*
>>337797061
Stop getting so upset over a joke captain autism
I know it'll never ever happen, but I wish Nintendo would make games for PC or at least invest in really good hardware for their consoles. I fucking love their games, and Dolphin.
>>337797202
Gimmick would be if it used cartridges for games and DVD for a player. It played game DVDs and as such it had to also play movies. The main difference is software but that's not something common customer cares about. Not including this function would be commercial suicide.
>>337795529
The Dreamcast controller screen was unimportant, it showed minor info that was kind of useful but it (usually) wasn't used as a dumb gimmick. The Wii U controller screen tears you away from the game and forces you to interact with it.
>>337796868
Okay lets start from hardware:
No ethernt
SD card slots that are useless
USB ports that dont work properly
Impossible to use an HD and Ethernet at the same time, since the HDD will already need all Slots.
8/32GB of memory in addition to its HDD problem
Clusterfuck of controllers just to sell additional accessoir.
Gamepad forced, first half of the Wii Us life it wasnt even possible to boot it up without the gamepad and if it(and it has horrible build quality) broke you had a brick at home.
No way to turn off the gamepad mirroring that is used in most games, turning its battery life to maximum 4 hours.
The buttonlayout on the gamepad in addition to its size makes it immpossible/a pain in the ass to play same games(very noticeable in action games).
And many more, especially concering the game.
>>337797587
>The buttonlayout on the gamepad in addition to its size makes it immpossible/a pain in the ass to play same games(very noticeable in action games).
That's a complete lie. I thought the same at one time but had no issue with Tekken, Wonderful 101, or Bayonetta. The damn thing passed every benchmark I could throw it.
so who do I have to shoot for completely destroying people's grasp of what a gimmick is?
here is the deal: a gimmick is something that is included to make your product stand out but doesn't really contribute anything to the experience.
Examples: FLUDD in Sunshine is NOT a gimmick. The entire game is built around it and you can't beat the game never using your spray nozzle at the very least.
The 3D of the 3DS IS a gimmick. It contributes nothing to the gameplay and in fact the 2DS exists because of this.
Now can we get this right for future purposes?
>>337797920
>but doesn't really contribute anything to the experience.
Then what's the fucking point?
>>337797787
It is though, its extremly uncomfortable compared to the pro controller and other controllers.
>>337797920
You have no idea what you're talking about. The N64's joystick was a gimmick through and through that just happened to become a standard.
>>337793950
>Nintendo used to make normal consoles and handhelds
If the N64 was made today you would have called both the joystick and the rumble pak, gimmicks.
>>337797464
> It played game DVDs and as such it had to also play movies.
You keep saying this but it doesn't make it true.
The Wii used DVDs but couldn't play DVD movies.
It's even entirely set up to and can be enabled with homebrew.
It's not something that was necessary just because they used it for games, and this proves that. And as for "commercial suicide" the Wii was a giant success without it.
Sony purposely included the feature to watch regular DVDs as a gimmick, and it worked.
Contrary to popular belief: a gimmick does not have to be something bad.
>>337798139
It really isn't. You adapt within five minutes unless you outright refuse to.
>>337798214
They were gimmicks. Gimmicks aren't bad though.
>>337793027
Nintendo should go back to making proper consoles that can stand up to the competition like the GC did (even though most people still owned a PS2). Their gimmick consoles are only popular with long time Nintendofags, girls and children.
>>337797587
>The buttonlayout on the gamepad in addition to its size makes it immpossible/a pain in the ass to play same games(very noticeable in action games).
>>337798139
>its extremly uncomfortable compared to the pro controller and other controllers.
Consider the width of your shoulders and how your arms naturally fall. Now can you give me a single reason for why a wide controller would be a bad thing?
I can tell you that the reason console controllers were even thin and small to begin with, has always been to make production and most of all shipping and storage cheaper. Not because it was actually ergonomic.
If you take a look at arcades, actual vehicles, or other machines where the size of the machine is already large to begin with. And the control schemes will be wider as well.
And no I am not shitting on traditional controllers. They're great. But they're small size is an exception, and it's not actually ergonomic or natural.
>>337798228
You're using far too brad definition that can mean anything including a packaging box. Considering that Wii's success is a significant exception that not even Nintendo understands, it's hardly good example. Ands even so, you yourself said that it could if you modded it, making it just a laziness on Nintendo's side to allow it. What other consoles did that?
Even PS could play media, it's been Sony's strategy since then. People would question their decision if they didn't include it. Just like they did when Wii did it.
Also, depending on the dictionary used, you can pull any definition you want.
>something that is not serious or of real value that is used to attract people's attention or interest temporarily, especially to make them buy something:
>to equip or embellish with unnecessary features, especially in order to increase salability, acceptance, etc. (often followed by up):
>>337799032
>Also, depending on the dictionary used, you can pull any definition you want.
You could definitely argue that being able to play regular DVD movies is unnecessary or not of real value. You buy a game console to play games and games alone, playing DVDs is something you could live without, making it a gimmick.
>>337797503
>The Wii U controller screen tears you away from the game and forces you to interact with it.
Star Fox Zero is like the only game that does that.
>>337799286
Would you seriously tell customer who asked you what's the difference between DVD and DVD and why PS2 can't play them both that one is a gimmick?
It might have been heavily marketed feature, but that doesn't mean it can easily be omitted. The values is that people expect that function to be there.
>>337799847
No one expects a game console to play DVDs, they expect it to play games. It playing DVDs is a non-vital function, ergo, a gimmick. Before the PS2 and Xbox game consoles didn't even have that feature, so you think for the first generation that ever had this feature customers would suddenly expect their game console to have it? Only because the PS2 was so successful with it did it become a common feature people now expect from consoles. Just like how the analog stick was so successful on the N64 it became a common feature. You're going to great lengths to try and pretend it wasn't a gimmick, anon.
>>337797920
Didn't you know? It's just a gimmick when Nintendo does it. When others does it it's """"INNOVATION"""".
>>337798112
Marketing purposes. For example, R.O.B. being used to market the NES as an entertainment system in NA when both consumers and retailers lost confidence in home gaming systems.
DAILY REMINDER: the hybrid idea doesnt make any fucking sense so stop talking about it
how would it work? you would need a handheld with its own gpu, buttons and screen PLUS a tv unit with its own usb slots etc AND with its own gpu because the handheld itself would be too weak for a home console. and youd need to buy additional controllers for the home console. it would be too expensive and most importantly it would just be a convoluted mess
just take one second to actually fucking think about the hybrid idea..it doesn't make any sense and is obviously not what nintendo is going to do. they've already said as much. The next console and handheld will most likely just share the same OS and maybe game cartridges. plus an additional gimmick for the home console. that's it
there's no "new way of playing games", just like the tablet they are goig to push a tech that is already there on a smaller scale (at least was when it was in dev). VR is unlikely, but it could be the whole "shared computing power" of that one patent or possibly streaming. (unlikely but who knows).
I could see a system were you can plug your dena phone to use it as a second processor.
It's a new way of considering hardware and match the patent.
>>337802956
>there's no "new way of playing games", just like the tablet they are goig to push a tech that is already there on a smaller scale (at least was when it was in dev).
Post your face when it turns out the NX can take control outputs directly from the thoughts of your brain.
>>337801825
I don't get this bait, both sides are exactly the same?That's the point isn't it?
>>337802801
You haven't actually given a reason why it wouldn't work. Even it being expensive can be alleviated by giving the consumer the consumer the option to buy each part or both together.
>>337802956
>there's no "new way of playing games"
Splatoon was a new way of playing shooters.
>>337805814
It was a crappy shooter with gyro controls. That's already been done.
>>337806010
There were gyro controlled third person platform shooters before Splatoon?
>>337793636
Nintendo hasn't made a "good" home console in over a decade. Why would anyone believe this will be good?
>>337795542
It's weird reading this so many years later and agreeing with the guy the more I think about his points. The NES controller really wasn't any good.
>>337795542
I love these old vydia writings. Like these reviews, old ads and those ancient "forum " posts from the 90s
>>337793027
okay honestly what could the gimmick be? no trolling. did anybody ever come up with something that could be true?
>>337797191
Millennials are trying very hard to make the ps1 and ps2 retroactively bad.
>>337793769
>gimmicks=innovation
>>337809809
the one problem I had with the NES controller as a kid was the fact that the corners were pointy
couldn't stand the shitty joysticks that were common at the time for other systems (eg, the Atari, god fucking damn, I pretty much exclusively played the 2600 with a Genesis controller)
>>337811758
Gimmicks:
-d-pad
-Shoulder Buttons
-Analog Stick
-Analog Triggers
-Motion Sensor
-Screen on control with no delay
Yes, innovations that other companies adopted and became a staple in the industry.
>>337793027
if it's portable and has pokemon itll sell
otherwise expect flop
>>337793027
>Hi this is my second gen and Iam retarded and have no understanding on how every Nintendo console had a "gimmick"
Okay, fuck off retard
>>337814107
>he thinks that Nintendo invented these
I bet you own an iPhone and claim Apple was the first to make a touchscreen phone and tablet too you faggot
>>337796998
>2016
>Using discs for anything
>>337793769
This. I agree with you anon. I like to see something new brought to a console
>>337799479
NintendoLand
Game and Wario
>>337793027
>It's another gimmick console that will deter 3rd party support
The bigger issue is that it's releasing halfway through a gen.
Th-Thanks, Nintendo...FOR IWATA!
>>337797453
>or at least invest in really good hardware for their consoles
They used to. The SNES, N64 and Gamecube were all power-houses in terms of consoles. Neo-/v/ hates that period of Nintendo though, it's 'fun' gimmicks that made Nintendo great, according to them.
>>337793027
NOOOO GIMMICKS PLEASE GOOOOOO
>>337811758
Don't they tho?
>>337818537
Also Pikmin 3 does it horribly
>>337820256
>N64
cartridges
>gamecube
mini-discs
nintendo has always been behind the competition ever since sony entered the market
Nintendo is trying hard to be the Apple of the gaming industry where they dont rely on 3rd parties and live in their own gated community. They have been doing this since the Wii.
>>337793027
>The NX is neither the successor to the Wii U nor to the 3DS
Does Nintendo seriously think people are stupid. How many times have they said the same thing?
>>337813235
The only Nintendo franchise that sells well is Pokemon, Thats why they are making the NX an Hybrid between ahndheld and Home Console so they won't lose even if their only game its Fucking Pokemon
>>337821943
>Does Nintendo seriously think people are stupid. How many times have they said the same thing?
it's gonna be some completely retarded gimmick
NX is going to be a force feedback Tenga with a screen.
