DS3 POISE
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Exclusive interview with Miyazaki regarding poise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWOuLjU_M2Y
>>337730670
it works as intended shut it
ebin memes
keep on walking into my hyper armor shitter
>>337731160
how the fuck do you counter a shitter with a greatshield and a dragonslayer greataxe.
>>337731357
you stop playing at sl 150 where thats possible without heavy disadvantages
>>337731485
I was asking how to counter him faggot, especially with a weapon like Exiled Greatsword. The guy just block everything and if you keep hitting him, he just circles around and backstabs you. His hyperarmor allows him to trade hits and he hits like a truck.
>>337731670
and I told you that if you overlevel yourself you're going to get fucked over by people who play with greatshields because fun is a foreign concept
>>337731973
135 here, the only reason I am at this level is because I want to be able to wear something differenet than 5 gram cloth.
>>337730670
Currently hypothesis is that poise affects your rolling iframes. As you get hit the number of rolling iframes decreases for your next roll, higher poise will decrease how many iframes you lose per hit and how fast they regenerate when not being hit.
>>337732582
Or it has been proven that poise is literally turned off. Back to plebbit with your experiments.
>>337730670
why is fromsoft lying?
>get hit
>get hit again because can't move lolrolfmao
4 gankers vs 20 dogs who win
>>337732479
>I want to be able to wear something differenet than 5 gram cloth.
Why? there isn't much difference between 10% and 20% absorption and if you feel like there is you can alway equip the steel protection ring.
If you just want fashion 20 vit and havel's ring can wear full Gundyr armor and a greatsword. 25vig/20vit/40/40 keeps you well below lvl100, I'm honestly having trouble what you put your stats if you're lvl 135 and having trouble.
>>337733189
My stats are fine, just my vit is like 30 or something, and endurance is 40.
>>337733189
>25vig/20vit/40/40
>enjoy never ever swinging your weapon twice because you dont have enough stamina
inbred build
>>337732726
The old style of poise was turned off.
>>337732961
That description fits with the current understanding of poise.
I'm not trying to defend nu-poise. I think the new mechanic is shit.
>>337730670
Is it going to be that fat mexican laughing guy?
>people unironically want das1's poise system back
>>337733528
>nu-poise
the correct term is no-poise
there isnt poise
>>337733636
i want ds2 poise
>>337733636
It was more balanced than what we have in DaS3, where literally only light load fast weapon R1 spam viability.
>>337730670
>heavy armor working as intended
>estocs are only beating scrubs
>heavy weapons have never been more viable
We've had this discussion a million times. Buffing poise means estoc wielding full havel faggots that will NOT be staggered ever and just R1 spam you to death.
At least now you can stunlock them back by not being a fucking retard.
Which claws are best? Also why did they put the cooler ones towards the end of the game?
>>337733636
I'd rather have DaS poise without toggling then this shit. Toggling is what broke poise in DaS it made it completely useless.
>>337732479
>playing at SL130
>why do I keep getting rekt by people who wear heavy shields and weapons? ;_;
Jesus son. You did this to yourself. Make a new char and stick around level 80-90.
>>337730670
thanks reddit, was quite funny though
>>337733824
>full havel estoc flipping
>"more balanced"
Why do I get the feeling that more and more DaS babbies have never actually played DaS?
>>337733824
>It was more balanced than what we have in DaS3
m8 do you really not remember circle strafing hornet stabbers? it was fucking awful pvp
>>337733451
the 40/40 were unlabeled as I was just suggesting you could soft cap two stats or mix if you wanted. 10-15 endurance + Ring of Favor gives you more than enough stamina for effective attacking and dodging.
Level 80 is pretty much the ideal level for whatever playstyle you want without becoming a jack-of-all-trades type.
>>337733636
It was fine in 2, now you get stun locked to death by dogs and daggers.
Dammit I can't concentrate because I understand what he is saying but the subtitles obviously are not what he is saying, I think I have relied too much on reading subtitles.
>>337732582
Literal perfection, holy shit!
>>337734203
>>337733915
>>337733636
YOU FUCKING NIGGERS, IT'S EITHER DS1 POISE OR NO POISE FOR YOU FAGGOTS, NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THAT. WHAT ABOUT A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT POISE SYSTEM YOU UNIMAGINATIVE KEKS?
>>337731670
Horsehoof ring + shield break weapon art (Claymore is good)
Breaks guards in 1 hit unless they have over ~175 stamina
>>337730670
I only speak a bit of spanish but I think the translation is way off.
>>337734339
Fake tits, so no
>>337734423
>you literally need a specific build to counter it
yeah, good shit bro
>mfw straight sword shitters keep running into my zweihander swings because they think they can just run up and R1 spam me
Yeah I'm honestly not that worried about the poise change.
>>337734551
claymore is a good fun all around weapon anyways
>>337734551
>a specific build needs a specific build to counter it
Oh woe is me
Also, you could git gud. That'd do the job just as well.
>>337734496
They don't look fake to me. It looks like she's wearing a nice bra.
>>337733915
>We've had this discussion a million times and because of that my point of view is right and yours is shit
PIGSKIN KEK!!!!
>>337734551
Im not denying that greatshields are OP but it is a counter. Hopefully FROM addresses stability on those things
>>337730670
Only havel shit builds care about poise.
There no poise on the game deal with it.
What patch is this on?
Did they fix the frame drops and stuttering yet? Quit playing at 1.04.
>>337734273
>10-15 endurance + Ring of Favor
"+10-15 + ring of favor"
Ring of Favor alone is often a virtual endurance increase of at least +10.
>>337730670
ACTUALLYYYYYY poise DOES do something. It does something very interesting to your roll I-Frames. I'm not gonna explain it though because that's what google is for. :)
>>337734649
Everyone who actually played DaS PvP can agree that the poise in that game was shit. If they DO implement poise (hyperarmor is good enough for me tbqh), they should NOT do it the same way they did in DaS. This game is the most balanced of the three on launch.
I really don't see the problem people have.
>>337732726
>I am retarded and don't know anything about DkS3.
>>337733636
stam and equip load are separate attributes
almost every sword has a shield break
getting staggered = free parry
kicks are shit and pvp and horse ring is useless, seriously needs a buff
>>337734810
i know this is a plebbit false flag
>>337734810
this has actually been proven false, sorry
>>337734640
I'm an expert on this anon. I wish I knew the girl so I could google it for you, but I'm 99% sure they're fake. Push up bras don't work like that, usually. They don't leave that much room between tits. The fat would kinda go more towards eachother, leaving less of a gap. What you see happening usually happens with smaller tits in a push up bra, but these are too big.
The only logical conclusion is that they're fake.
>>337734826
>Everyone who actually played DaS PvP can agree that the poise in that game was shit.
No you fucking retard. You seem to be confusing your opinion with universal truth. Here's how it actually is: we've had this discussion a million times and people still disagree on this, and most posters are very unlikely to change their mind.
I don't need poise with 40 vigor and the ability to oneshot people with Astora GS and leo ring :^)
>>337733657
Nah there 's poise. Look at the in-game character sheet you retarded fuck.
pls keep poise off, farron greatsword spin combo stunning people makes it the ultimate counter to hornet shits
i love terrorizing pathetic hornet ring niggers with my farron greatsword
>>337734551
>switching 1 weapon and 1 ring that everyone has
>literally takes about 5 seconds
>this now counts as ''a specific build''
>>337734826
this
if they reimplemented poise it would be incredibly difficult to balance
It's fine as is. Learn to use hyperarmor and longer range to punish r1 spam.
>>337735041
You mean, there's a bunch of kids pretending they actually played DaS back when, and people who actually did play it.
I guess we can agree on that.
>>337735102
>>337732961
oh thanks for telling me :^)
retard
>>337733915
Actually, even with Full Havel, Yhorm's Shield and the Lothric Spear PLUS the Wolf Ring+2 you won't have enough poise to tank a 2-handed Great Hammer R1.
You only need 5 poise to avoid being interrupted by a Piercing sword R1. 7 if they're using the sword 2-handed.
Poise off only benefits light weapons, you can't feasibly stack enough poise to become immune to heavy weapons.
>>337734810
You read one thread where some dickhead posted a mountain of text saying poise is about rolling and not withstanding attacks. For some reason retards took it as fact and it seems you are one of those retards.
>>337735140
>what is weight
>what is min/max
you can't just switch weapons and rings like that when you build is tightly set-up nigger
>>337734826
If they did it the same as DS1 (or even DS2), people would be required to invest in a stat essentially dedicated to people who want to use heavy armor with high poise. Nothing else could explain why equip load was separated from endurance and put into its own stat.
DS2's system would probably be the better option, but either is better than the current systerm, or lack thereof.
>>337734102
thats what I did, still found greatshields+estocs/darkswords at 90, stick to 60-70
>>337735209
>If you disagree with me you don't know what you're talking about
I'd laugh at the fact you're retarded enough to think DaS3 PVP is more balanced than (post-patch) DaS, but the notion is so utterly ridiculous I can't be sure you're not baiting so I'm dropping it.
>people want poisestabs + hornet ring back
Y
>>337734551
>Someone uses a specific, telegraphed attack designed to fuck shields.
>Sit there and block it instead of spending 10 stamina to roll.
>>337735338
Nigger just fucking have a straight sword in your inventory and equip it when needed
>my build is so specific I need all 4 ring slots occupied at all time.
Literally no build like this exists in the game.
>>337735705
Poisestabs were a counter to idiots spamming R1 with fast weapons while locked on. eg. a perfect counter to the current estoc faggotry. Though it wouldn't work nearly as well now because tracking on all weapons has become way too good.
Against an actual competent player who wasn't just going R1R1R1R1, poisestabs rarely paid off.
>>337734582
>hitting a darksword spammer with a fully charged AGS R2 with leo ring on
whopping 1050dmg
I use the shit out of weapons that have perseverance. Like if someone hits me in the middle of casting that with smoughs hammer I take like 2% damage then smash them with two ultra heavy hits because 9/10 times they think they can spam on me when I have that ultra poise on.
>>337733948
Mannikinexclusively for parrying because claws are shit
>>337735768
Sorc
>>337735705
the backstabs have been nerfed, that's enough
just tweak the poise breakpoints so you cant poisestab bigger weapons
>>337736036
Malformed Skull was better. RIP my build, you were an excellent choice.
>>337731357
Stop using faggy katanas and thrusting swords and maybe he wouldve never been forces to start using a greatshield in the first place?
>wearing full gundyr armor and nothing but his halberd.
>haven't lost a single invasion 1v1 vs meme weapons of all kinds
sending bitch niggas flying never felt so good
>ornstein cosplay
>leo ring
>poking dark sword and estoc fags away from me for 500-600 damage a poke
>zapping hornet fags from afar
>feels good
I'm in favor of bringing poise back but there'd definitely be an issue with the way rolls work right now. Everyone is basically playing with the DWGR in DaS3. Rolls too fast, iframes too long. Turning on poise would require rebalancing a lot of things from the ground up.
PVP is unbalanced shit right now but changing any individual elements without looking at the big picture might just throw it further off-balance. To fix PVP, they'd have to rework pretty much the entire thing from the ground up, and they won't, so I just accept that DaS3 will always have shit PVP and that means I can play other games now.
>>337736585
>It's your fault I'm using a cheese build
>>337736745
>>337736729
These are my favorite kind of people to fight. I prefer going against some dude that picked something he likes over something that's meta and will win, then runs like a pussy when his faggot weapon doesn't instantly win
>>337736847
Hey, if someone wants to invest the VIT then let them. Im SL 100, wolf greatshield plus BKUGS, and half the drakeblood set. Its fair, im not stupid enough to turtle.
If you think my build is less boring cheese than gothard or astora great sword
Well
Your fuckin wrong kid
>>337737045
i only play in cosplay, which is great in ds3 since gundyr/abyss watchers/ornstein cosplays are really effective in pvp
>>337737176
wolf greatshield, how long did it take you to get that? I can't get summoned for shit.
hyper armor >>> poise
Soulsfags are cancer.
I swear to god they prefer the less interactive one.
>hurr I want to stay and just be able to ignore the enemy completely
>what do you mean I have to pay attention to what my opponent does
>timing? what is timing?
Thank god this is the last dark souls. Hopefully last souls game.
Just watch a lets play if you absolutely don't want to play games and want numbers to beat it for you.
>>337734649
>hyper armor
>bigger weapons have more hyper armor therefore profit more from that
>poise
>bigger weapons weigh more so the smaller weapons can get more poise
>you get fucked even more by the shitters you can't even beat now.
>>337737269
Just farm goats, being summoned in giant seed gank quads is not worth it.
>>337737440
thats what the crystal is for
>>337737284
did you pvp in 1 at all? It was full of awful fucking players that ran the gayest shit possible to make up for how mechanically shit they were. I don't know how many havel faggots I beat all the time and just laughed at how bad they were.
I like to think that's half the people on /v/ that just endlessly bitch that they cant eat someones attacks.
>>337737519
>soft ban crystal
Whatever
>>337737440
k, ill do that.
Whats better, the ones by the bonfire or the ones by the abyss watchers?
>>337737594
> a few hours
whatevuv
>>337733636
I wanted dark souls 1 poise with BB backstabs, every fucking problem goddamn solved, get fucking better at pvp scrubs.
Instead we have fuckheug weapon hyper armor abuse and fast weapon stun locks.pve is better than pvp anyway
>>337737581
First of all
>pvp
People who play souls games for pvp or give a single shit about pvp or think the game should be balanced for pvp are even below smashfags who play party games competitively.
Play your fucking moba piece of shit games and keep your cancer out of mine.
also the strongest shit in das1 pvp was a two-handed buffed falchion.
>>337737269
Dont listen to anyone that tells you to farm, theyre literally retarded. Summoning works on a "first guy in goes out basis" so standing in the same spot is NOT gonna get you summoned. Run between areas that trigger the saving/loading flame on the corner of your screen. Didnt take long at all man. if you overleveled, go to SL100 like I am. I get NG+ summons & invasions quite easily anywhere.
>>337733636
>full havels gives 32 poise now
>most weaker weapons hit for 20 poise damage
>most heavy weapons will break poise instantly
>people still think it's overpowered
>>337737826
>dark souls 1 poise
>good
Biggest fucking cancer in this thread.
Jesus fucking christ.
>>337734780
No, if anything it's become worse.
Game used to run smoothly for me, now every twenty-ish seconds the game practically pauses for a moment for no reason.
>>337737882
All covenants are pvp based, even sun now. Why shouldn't be it balanced for pvp?
>>337737882
This. Honestly I want poise back for PvE, I couldn't give a two ton fuck about PvP. I use Dark Sword on my highest SL character cause I like its moveset, not because I want to be some metafag.
>>337737997
same here, didnt have it before
>>337737940
awesome, thanks anon. I never considered the save/load thing. I was just waiting around and it never happened.
>>337737987
But (You) just posted, anon.
>>337738173
>I want poise back for PvE,
Learn to use hyper armor.
It is ridiculous how many frames you get on your shit.
I feel like /v/ is just shit at this game. I've been on both sides of the weapon size spectrum and haven't really had any poise problem because I know when to swing, when to bait and attack, and when to dodge/parry. I've done daggers and poked people to death and done ultra greatswords and went full Guts on people.
Have none of you people rolled backwards and took 2 seconds to see how your opponent is playing? PvP isn't rocket science, its stupid simple
>>337738268
doesn't mean shit vs bosses. you stil get your fucking butthole rocked
>>337733657
Nu means not in Latin retard
>>337738349
against bosses dont get hit
>>337738349
But you stunlock the shit out of bosses.
Master Gundyr and NK were jokes with a big weapon.
Later on my build with smaller weapons they fucked me up because I couldn't stun the shit out of them.
I have no problem with certain bosses being easier with certain builds. And the hardest bosses are easiest with big weapons.
So for PvE you could argue that big weapons are easy mode.
Go ahead and try out Master Gundyr with an UGS
>>337731145
>it works as intended
>>337738268
Hyper armor is fun but I miss being able to tank enemies for 0 effort. Besides I want heavy armor to feel like it has a purpose, because right now there is no reason to use any of it.
>>337738309
It is das1 babbies.
all the people who started with demon's instantly adapted and played the game well.
DaS1 babbies literally can't play without handholding poise.
>>337738579
I think damage reduction is the answer and not poise. Maybe that actually needs a buff. Not sure. I mostly play fashion souls in all souls games except das1.
>>337738309
seriously, this.
Even when I lose using some garbage weapon, I'm not getting 100 to 0'd by whatever meme weapon /v/ bitches about. I think it's safe to assume a lot of people on /v/ are mechanically shit at games
>>337738349
Poise never mattered against 95% of bosses anyway, I just want it back to cheese smaller enemies
>>337738579
Hyper armor if a stupid concept only created to fill the lack of poise.
There's no distinction whatsoever in hyper armor. It's the same for each weapon regardless of your vitality and armor.
>>337738232
Go to halfway fortress and run between the bonfire and the first enemies and you should get summoned much more quickly. ganksquads are easily dealt with because usually you arent gonna be the only invader, plus crucifixion woods has the crabs, cross monsters, & the two watchdog npcs to help you. If you still get rekt use an ultraweapon that csn hit multiple people at once and be more aggresive (making sure yoy always have enough spare astamina to roll away)
Unless youre a PCfag then god help you, they seem to be having problems out the ass
>>337738425
well we aren't speakin latin retard
use it in english
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nu-
>>337738553
I tried it with dancer, and her stun wasn't significant enough for me not to have her put her fingers in my asshole. Maybe she's not the best example though, I'll go ty gundyr.
>>337730670
I found out how to turn it on and the game has been 100% better. Fuck Fromsoft. I literally have to recode your game to make it fun. And for those wondering playing with poise makes things better but doesn't even get close to breaking armor builds. I easily get staggered from 2 hits. Poise should have been in this game but instead they turned it into roll souls. So sad
>>337738694
>I think damage reduction is the answer and not poise
>Fuck Mages, pyros and faith users
>>337738425
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/nu-
>>337738890
I am not sure how that would fuck the gayboys who want to shoot sparkly magic.
Can you explain that a little more?
>>337738694
If they could make damage reduction so good its worth it to use heavier armor then I won't care as much. Its not like I don't already roll through everything.
>>337738989
sorcery builds are under powered and shit atm
>>337738817
I'm both. but right now i'm on ps4 cuz pc is unplayable and there's tons of hackers/pirates that give people stuff to get them softbanned.
I have an FGS, that any good for shitting on multiple ppl?
>>337738579
The biggest problem is that this game has schizophrenic design when it comes to armor. Wearing heavy armor requires investment in a separate stat, which implies that armor should be powerful enough to warrant this distinction. Yet it's possibly as useless as it's ever been in this game because absorption is worthless and there's no poise. They changed the stat system in DS2 to separate VIT and END because of poisemonsters, but this game would be better suited with END granting equip load because equip load is basically worthless outside of fashion, so why not allow anyone to pump endurance to wear heavy armor?
If armor felt like it was meant to be worthless by there not being a stat for it (BB), or carry weight being a consequence of another stat (DS1), maybe things would be fine. As it is there's no advantage to wearing it and it's also *hard* to wear it, which is the real problem.
>>337738989
You should tell me, or are you implying you can't play with your estoc?
>>337738846
Dancer I think is best with a middle sized weapon. A greatsword like claymore is fast enough and fucks her up.
I think UGS and Straight swords are equally okay against her.
>>337739057
even in pve?
Hyper armor doesn't work at all, before, durin or after ultragsword swing I still get stunned by straight swords and estoc.
>>337739042
Damage reduction from armor is pretty garbage atm. I completely agree
>>337739057
yeah they need a damage buff.
Like 50%. What you now get with 60 you should get with 40 int or fth.
It is ridiculous that the other damage stats cap out at 40 but magic users have to spend 20 levels more.
Maybe if their spells wouldn't cost stamina so they could completely ignore that stat. But they can't.
Not sure how that relates to armor though.
>>337739092
I actually haven't made an estoc build yet and I still don't understand your point.
>>337738870
1 hit from a heavy weapon = im stunned until either i die or they run out of stamina from r1s. what a shitload of ass
>>337739295
None of that matters when you can spam roll BB style.
BB ruined DS3
>>337739167
it does work you dip. hyper armor isn't active for the entire swing it actives about halfway through the swing when the swords momentum would keep it pushing forward.
>>337739167
You need to learn were your hyper armor frames are.
>>337739448
>best game ruined DaS3
Look DaS1 didn't go nowhere. You can still play it.
DaS3 is just right between das1 and bb
I don't want it to be exactly like either. I don't understand why anyone would.
>>337739295
Magic is already weak (relative to how hard it is to actually hit someone with it, you can shoot a CSS for like 1500 damage but you have to give up 3 ring slots and your hat and offhand weapon, but even then you won't hit a decent player) without armor giving actually good damage reduction on top of that. Buffing armor would require some buffs to magic to compensate for the increased damage reduction potential.
I personally think that magic needs to be retooled so you don't have to dedicate half your fucking loadout to passive damage boosts to be worthwhile. The Crown of Dusk looks like shit, and always has, never mind having to use THREE motherfucking damage boost rings and the Sage Ring if you're not interested in leveling DEX on the side.
>>337737428
>there's nothing between those categories, everything is an estoc or a dragon tooth
>>337739650
Those are the extreme examples.
Point is poise will help you more the smaller your weapon is.
It skews the balance in favor of the lighter weapons.
It buffs greatsword builds more than ugs builds. I never implied the shit inbetween doesn't exist.
>>337738801
People are acting like its enough to fill the poise hole that From has created, its not.
>>337739075
It fucking blows that wearing heavy armor is basically useless, I loved wearing heavy armor. And if I'm honest I'm not really sure what From is doing with Poise. It's clearly still in the game, but for some reason nothing seems to utilize it. Like its such a hot mess people are spending hours of "research" trying to figure out what poise does.
>>337738309
This
Fighting through the game alone should be more than enough to make you faggots skilled at baiting, rolling, timing, etc. Psyching out your opponent is half the battle. The other half is knowing at Armor is NOT useless. Literally half the shit I see posted around here & /vg/ is bait to get people to gimp themselves. like steel protection being useless in pvp and other such lies
>>337738890
Don't you know anon? Dark Souls is all about ROLLING
Shields, armor, magic, heavy weapons? Fuck that!
It's all about just ignoring damage with long periods of invulnerability and poking them to death!
Every now and then you can throw in a Parry against one of the countless heavily telegraphed attacks to get in super easy damage!
Rolling is so skill based!
>>337735768
>Literally no build like this exists in the game.
my sl40 catacombs pyromancer has 4 rings that never come off
witch ring, pyro starter ring, fire clutch ring, sage ring
What did From Soft mean by its situational now? What kind of situations are they talking about?
>>337739868
>*Tries to do a skillful parry*
>Estoc
>*Staggers*
>Dies
WellFuck From
Also this >>337739448
>>337739506
The profaned flame stomp is just useless against estoc, I tried it a bunch of times, I get stunned out of it.
>>337739980
There's a weapon art (Perseverance) that appears to activate poise for some short duration of time. You have to pop it constantly in order to maintain it during a fight though, so you're meant to use it right before you get hit so you can tank and retaliate.
>>337739832
>People are acting like its enough to fill the poise hole that From has created, its not.
It is not enough if you don't want to play the game.
You are acting like you can't possibly play Demon's or BB.
Hyper armor is so much better than poise simply because it is interactive.
If you boil souls or most games down all it comes down to is timing and quick decisions.
Rolls work through timing.
Parries work through timing.
blocking involves timing.
Poise in das1 really requires no thought on the player. People who rely on poise don't actually like to play the game. They would prefer a turn based souls were their stats fight the enemy stats.
>>337739980
>What did From Soft mean by its situational now?They meant to deceive you
>What kind of situations are they talking about?LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkPbJIlEXow
>>337738579
>trade with some faggot with a BKGA
>I do slightly less damage but win because unlike him im not wearing rags
i swear that 30 absorption across the board has somehow made my hyperarmor better
>>337739980
poise is tied to hyper armor. If a weapon has hyper armor frames, that's when your poise counts.
At least it's not as bad as the early state of dark souls 2 pvp
The people who are good and can adapt don't care if poise is on or not. I see none of those people in this thread.
>>337740210
What is better between absorption and defense anyway? I have like 133 def and 30 abs with the def ring, but still get 2 shotted by anything
>>337737218
This. I even invested in Vigor so I could wear Nameless King attire without fatrolling. Still need Havel's ring and have to lose the gauntlets to be at 69%, but it's worth it.
Heavy armor in Dark Souls 3
>provides negligible damage absorption compared to medium weigh sets
>weighs a metric fuck ton, to the point where Havels Ring +2 and Ring of Favor +2 are essentially required to where any type of Heavy armor with a semi heavy weapon
>Poise is a stat that does nothing, affects nothing, and it literally useless. Hyper armor is attached to weapons instead
How can the "A" team be so incompetent.
You guys do knoe that Stomp can go into other moves besides your WA r2 right?
Also, have manual aiming turned on. The only thrustingfags that give me trouble now are Spears.
I love hyper armor
>have 60 int sorcerer
>have MLGS
>when I'm fighting pro 'roll in to attack' pvpers I just respond to the roll by hitting L2
>their dinky r1 hits me, shortly after which my weapon art hits them for about 1000 damage
works every time, I swear to god
>>337740483
Literally how? Just how? Whats your Vigor?
>keep getting stunned to death by farron spin
I thought you could parry it
>>337739795
While it's true lighter weapons could reach higher poise levels without significant stat investment, there are some slower weapons with really shitty hyper armor that would benefit more from this. And since faster weapons deal less poise damage, it would skew the balance of estoc vs. medium weapons in favor of the latter. An average claymore build could poisetank an estoc while doing a 1HR1 (no hyper armor), whereas an average estoc build might not be able to poisetank that claymore 1HR1.
It's entirely true that lighter weapons can get more poise but you're completely ignoring a very important variable by not considering that those weapons deal much lower poise damage.
>>337740353
I don't care if poise is on, but it's a blatant design oversight that heavy armor requires stat investment when wearing it gives you no returns outside of access to a larger selection of outfits. That's what bothers me most about the system in this game. The stats are balanced as if poise still exists, and they would require a player to spec into having poise. But there isn't poise, and armor is more useless than ever. So why restrict wearing it to people who've dumped points into a stat?
>>337740738
you can, easily. just parry when you see him start to get down to his breakdance stance
>>337740287
hyper armor has been proven static, not tied to poise at all
>>337740705
27, wearing the dancer slut set.
You idiots. Poise in this game is DaS with toggling. You can roll away after getting hit twice. Except for special attacks. If you can't roll away after getting hit twice, you don't know how to pvp in this game.
>>337740008
>misses a parry
>suprised or even offended that he dies
C'mon now
>>337740906
>wears the dancers set
Theres your problem, your a faggot
>>337740749
Wrong and confirmed for scrub. Traditional poise has and always will benefit light weapons over heavy weapons because heavier weapon users will invariably have a higher Equip Load than light weapon users.
>>337740152
I already roll through attacks, I never relied on poise to get me through the game. BB was the easiest souls game for me until DS3 came. I just want heavier armor to be useful, because right now there is no point in using it.
>its a "marcus completely misses a game mechanic that would make the area infinitely easier because he's an unobservant idiot" episode
>>337740738
i keep spamming hornetfags with it and they dont seem to know that
>>337740985
You miss a parry if you're stun locked. Did you know that?
>>337740757
Oh I agree, I personally think it should be on and should work the way it did in DaS2. I meant for that to insult the people defending it being off. They claim superiority because the way they play works the best now so they don't want change. An actual good player wouldn't care about how it changes the meta.
>>337739405
You actually get hit with the heavy weapons? and if you do the game has it set up that you roll out after 2 hits. I don't think you know how this works bud. But I honestly can't comment on how real poise would effect the pvp scene because I have to play offline or will get autobanned
>>337740287
NO IT ISN'T
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
YOU WILL GET THE SAME AMOUNT OF HYPER ARMOR FROM WEARING FULL HAVELS ARE NOTHING. HYPER ARMOR IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MECHANIC AND IS NOT RELATED TO POISE, INCREASING YOUR POISE WILL NOT GIVE YOU MORE HYPER ARMOR
>they think I cant roll because i just swung a heavy weapon twice
>roll away
Everytime
>they think theyre safe because they siderolled
>manual aiming hits them with second and third hit, their dead
Everytime
>they think my Stomp = free attack
>poise/hyperarmor through and hit them with an r1 instead of the r2 they expected
All the other shitty UGS players are conditioning everyone else to give me easy wins
>>337741018
I'm a cute undead girl!
>>337740008
>tries to use hornet ring because wah ds3 is too hard
>gets stunlocked
>complains on mongolian tapestry board
>>337741283
anon calm down. Its going to be ok. But you are 100% correct. Autism have checked this shit 100 times over and poise as it stands does nothing
>>337741338
Dancer's is a good armor set, good defense for it's weight. I certainly hope you maxed your leg slider before wearing it.
>>337734203
This argument is fucking dumb and all the retards keep saying this.
Rapiers in das 1 did 6 fucking poise damage. Something like a straight sword did 24. If your opponent is in full havels and an estoc you will poise break him mashing a SS then he will poise break you mashing a rapier, so long as you have slight poise. You don't even need heavy armor to win the poise trades, just medium.
Fast weps in das1 did shit poise damage, it was balanced and you didn't even play the game nigger
>>337741379
>Defending the estoc and dark sword.
>>337741026
I could tank through pretty much all light weapons with a generic claymore or gravelord sword build: only havelmonsters could tank through my hits. In DaS3, even full Havel's gives shit poise.
Activate poise in DaS3 with sensible poise damage on weapons and the end result will be that estocs / straight swords won't stagger anyone who isn't naked on the first hit, whereas most medium or heavy weapons will.
>>337741152
>boy this game seem really short... better ignore this area I know exists thus making my experience even shorter because "lol I'm getting into it"
Fucking retarded fuck.
I love Epic, but jesus fucking christ.
>>337741217
Oh right, I guess I misread then. I just want a system that promotes variety and forces people to make compromises with their builds. Armor is a nonfactor in the current system and 2hit stagger is universal which has pretty wide negative implications for the variety of situations you can run into in PvP. I already feel like I've seen it all and I'm sitting at around ~150 hours.
>>337741445
I'm just tired of seeing misinformation get spread constantly.
>>337738694
Damage reduction was only half the point of heavy armour.
In Dark 1 there were two basic playstyles. Flip wizard and tank. Flip wizards would roll around in light armour with a fast weapon and handle enemies that way. Tanks would stand their ground with a shield and heavy armour and trade hits. This is why there were rolling limits. Heavy armour had a purpose because it gave you poise in exchange for ruining your roll.
Now there's no reason at all to fatroll. You may as well just flip around in rags the entire game with Flynn's ring.
>>337734254
Do you know how hard it is to backstab in das3? You literally can't backstab someone if they are moving
>>337739061
Yeah if they cant parry for shit. Otherwise, use dead angles
Do not spam that l1, it will make me taunt alot after I kill you
>>337741583
>A ring that gives you more damage for being lighter
>Ne ring to give you more defense when being heavier
>>337741379
Fuck off dex shitter.
>>337741583
>flip around in rags
God I love you faggots, handing me easy victories because of your DS1 mindset
>>337741598
What does that have to do with what he said? Backstabs in 3 are possible if they're parry spamming retards, which is a great way to punish them.
In 1 you were able to just poise through someone's hit and backstab one shot. This lead to many fights that were just two players circling around each other until one poor sob R1'd first. It was fucking retarded and anyone who thinks that is healthy PvP has brain damage
>>337741824
>implying Dex is even strong anymore
It's Quality or nothing
>>337741765
Flynn rings is useless anyway. The ar increase is megligable compared to what you sacrifice
>>337741962
They fixed that issue by making it harder to backstab people who weren't in the middle of an animation. Poise would not introduce this problem unless the attacking player had literally no awareness and let the opponent get behind them without attempting to move out of the way.
>>337741583
You're mostly right except for the part where you think Flynn's Ring does anything.
I like Fashion Souls but I still fucking wish armor mattered for more than just fashion. As it stands, the longer roll distance from having low load is offset by the lack of "pseudo-poise" on rolls you gain from having a high equip load. So being lightweight isn't strictly better than being at exactly 70%, which is backwards as fuck. Some players can be incentivized to just carry heavy weapons in their free slots if their fashion soulsing doesn't get them to a high enough equip load to avoid being staggered by an estoc poke out of a roll.
>>337742156
>except for the part where you think Flynn's Ring does anything.
What do you mean? I reflects the change right on your stat screen, why would you think it did nothing?
I mean, it's useless if you're at around 60%, but if you're going ragmode you might as well put it on for a decent bonus.
>>337742156
Havin heavier armor and more poise give your roll more iframes. Unless you are fighting a boss the length of your roll doesnt mean shit
People whine about poise not working properly but let's take a look at what PvP would look like if Poise worked like it did in Dark Souls 1
>Meta would be heaviest of heavy armor
>Person would just wield something like a Greataxe
>Just trade hits because light weapons won't stagger you, you just poise through it and hit the other player
I don't see how that sounds any better than how it is currently.
>>337742315
With only hags and a single ring the increase is already less than 10%, even smaller if you use other rings and a non-dagger weapon.
>>337742550
Why didn't the "A" team just not be complete fucking morons and just rip the Poise system from DaS2? You know, the shit game that did some systems better than Miyazaki ever could.
>>337742315
>decent bonus
Not really, even in ragmode the AR gains are comparable or lower than what you'd get from a +5 str/dex ring. Flynn's Ring has an effect but it's a negligible one.
>>337742661
>DaS 2
>Poise
I must be misremembering something
>>337742573
Well for a non-elemental weapon it's a decent bonus. You get more out of Lloyd's, but it's only at max health, so it's less useful.
A fire clutch or whatever would be better, but like i said, for a regular weapon that's useless.
Which reminds me, what the fuck is the point of Lloyd's shield ring? And Blue Tearstone? A one time defense boost seems like the most useless thing in the universe.
>>337741494
>I can't parry
>>337742550
You're acting like poise damage numbers are set in stone from DaS and could not possibly be changed.
>>337742315
15% AR when totally naked and not holding a weapon, declines sharply with carry weight. Lightest class of weapons worth using in PvP are rapiers, you'd get ~8-10% boost at most from it. Not worth it compared to other rings you could use.
>>337742661
was there poise in DaS2? I only ever used Greatsword so it never mattered to me.
>>337742414
>more poise gives your roll more iframes
Unless some new information came out, all tests made on this showed that poise was irrelevant to that, only equip load. You could go completed naked wielding large clubs or greatshields in your weapon slots and still gain the same roll "poise" as if you were wearing Havel's.
>>337741494
not defending them, i dont use em, i stunlock with my dragonslayer spear
but id rather fight a dark sword and estoc team than a hornet ringing nigger
>>337742661
This. They should also bring back soul memory and deadzones.
>>337742824
>You're acting like poise damage numbers are set in stone from DaS and could not possibly be changed.
Doesn't matter how they change. Heavy armor, heavy weapon would be the new meta and shit on everyone else the same way light armor, light weapon does right now
You can't properly balance this system
I don't remember how poise worked in DaS 2. Can someone fill me in?
>>337743073
It didn't
The japanese community lies poise the way it is AKA its not getting changed. cry about it some more
>>337742797
I think, but can't confirm, that blue tearstone now triggers on the hit that brings you down for its effect to activate. Very useful to bait would be lethal attacks in PvP only to surprise them and hit them with your hyper armor.
Shield ring is very good at low level runs: A single estus gets you to full HP, so against bosses whose attacks are single hit hard hitting it is pretty much always active.
But as said by other anon above, knight or hunter ring is better than Flynn's in every aspect. Couple that with prisioner's which is almost mandatory and you'd only have one ring left if you wanted to still use Flynn's.
>>337733915
>heavy weapons
>viable
Anyone who isn't a complete scrublord estoc spammer can dodge all heavy weapons.
>>337730670
Nothing will ever top the Nvidia one.
Why are invasions so fucking miserable now? I invade some guy and get gang banged by 4 players almost every time. DaS 3 has the worst invasions I've ever seen.
>>337743541
not with shitty unpredictable netcode and lag
>>337743542
Well, the original is pretty damn funny
>>337743073
Exactly like Das1, but you would only not-flinch if you were performing an action. Getting hit while not doing anything would put a slowing effect on you for a second.
PVP it didn't make any noticeable difference in because player weapons did stupid amounts of poise damage.
>>337743073
It didn't, don't let the DaSII fags get to you.
>>337734203
I put over 1000 hours in DaS, don't tell me what I haven't played you ignorant nigger.
>>337743675
Yeah, but I mean from the "covers".
>>337743596
>I don't know how to gank spank
>>337743596
I'm so sick of it now.
>invade as farron
>1 vs 6 gank squad, giant crabs are hostile too.
>One red, he is a fucking retard faggot attacking me, probably friend of the host.
>>337734254
>Im a scrub who can't dodge bs fishers so the mechanic is shit >:(
ds2 pvp was beterrr!!!1!!one1!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9IMaJY0GOI
This isn't poise related but are there any actual drawbacks to hollowing other than the zombie look?
I wear a helmet anyway so I'm not gonna spend a buttload of souls to revert it if there are no actual drawbacks.
what are some weapons that are really cool but not yet made popular by youtubers and redditors?
>>337732961
>>337732961
If it's 'turned off' then that stat display doesn't need to be in the game. Just say the game doesn't have poise- all you have to fucking do.
There's no reason for it besides laziness. It's stupid.
>>337734286
>it was fine in 2
>could poisebreak someone with an estoc easier than an ugs
no
I mean it was still probably the best system but even then it still sucked
>>337743834
Yeah okay, I can gank spank when 3 players are all r1 spamming simultaneously in a cluster. Thank God I have all this poise so I don't get stun locked to death.
I wouldn't complain if hosts with summons weren't always fucking prioritized. I've invaded a lone player maybe 10 times since release.
Play other games with better PvP niggers, dark souls PvP is utter shit.
>>337743596
Because, unlike Bloodborne, DaSIII doesn't give you the proper tools to actually deal with fighting multiple players.
>>337743860
is a +3 weapon upgrade good for watchdogs or is that too high? thinking of doing a sl31 +3 weapon watchdogs invader
Funny how people whined about "muh backstab fishing" in DaS1 and now that the backstab window has been nerfed to hell and the parry window has been buffed, particularly things like parrying the tip of the weapon model, the game has devolved into parry fishing since it's easy as fuck now and there's no hard punish when it's so difficult to backstab. Doesn't help matters that parrying has a reputation for being "skillful" from the previous games where parrying was actually somewhat hard so scrubs can just mash L2 with a small shield and actually delude themselves into thinking this makes them good. I'll admit it's fun mocking them by intentionally whiffing parries out in the open though, it always gets them triggered and then when they go for a running r1 you actually can parry them lel.
>>337741494
>I purposely gimp myself with inferior weapons because I am an honest and respectable Dark Soulsian
>>337744328
It's perfect.
I'm doing it at 120 and it's fucking awful
>tfw every fight is me putting myself out there to attack because my opponent will literally just run away and circlestrafe forever
YOU DON'T FUCKING LOSE THAT MUCH WHEN YOU DIE STOP BEING A FUCKING BITCH AND FIGHT
>>337743596
>invade as grape
>kill phantom and get reward
>spam gough's stones as I vanish
Grapes are the easiest covenant, try it to ruin people's days.
>>337744289
3 has the absolute worst pvp I've seen so far. Bloodborne has the best pvp to date, DaS 1 is runner up, and 2's is simply okay. I played DeS way after release so I can't comment on its quality.
>>337742550
They would hav to invest heavily in vit, and wouod only be getting poise out of it.
You can poke them with two to three hits to stagger
>>337743596
>going through Cathedral of Deep last night
>about to leave
>bonfire switches off
>"god dammit"
>"INVADED BY COCKBREATH69YOLO"
>decide to just finish off the rest of the area
>go unlock the last shortcuts
>"where is he?"
>go open up Rosaria's chamber
>"Where the hell is this guy?"
>wander around picking up items for 10 minutes
>"DARK PHANTOM HAS RETURNED HOME"
How can someone wander around for 15 minutes and fail to find the host?
>>337742747
The problem was the Stone Ring. If you go full-on LGK armor with Giant ring and the other guy doesn't have the Stone Ring, it takes quite some hits to poisebreak you, but when that happens, the other guy gets 2 hits in automatic.
>>337744514
>Invade as a grape
>kill literally all phantoms or the host :^)
Yeah no, this is awful. If I only had to kill one summon I'd be fine.
>>337737045
Been cosplaying as nk for the past 2 days, very effective.
>>337738268
This would be great if Heavy Armor actually significantly reduced damage but it doesn't. So if I try to tank hits to kill a bunch of enemies, I'll just end up being 3-shot by them rapidly.
Hyper armor only works when the shit that's hitting you isn't doing a 1/3rd of your health.
>>337743596
>>337744751
>repeat x100
>>337744674
But it is an always changing number of phantoms, 3 is quite rare, usually you only need to kill 2 and killing a single phantom isn't uncommon.
