So now that Team Fortress has some actual competition in the team-based shooter genera, how do you feel about them? Which of these "Hero shooters" are the best?
anyone remember brink
is /v/ or mad idiots forcing another sub-genre again like "Mother-likes"?
>genera
>>337700112
battleborn is already dead
>>337700112
QUICK!!
BEFORE THE THREAD GETS FULL OF SHIT POSTERS!
GIVE ME AN HONEST OPINION ON BATTLEBORN, IS IT GUD? IS IT WORTH THE JEW GOLD?
I'M VERY INTERESTED BUT I'M SCARED OF SPENDING MONEY ON A VIDEO GAME FAD THAT WILL BE DEAD IN 5 MONTHS AND I FEEL THAT'S WHAT OVERWATCH WILL BE.
>>337700443
Cut my some slack, I have been up for 30 hours and chrome didn't spellcheck it.
>>337700112
The fuck is paladins.
>>337700581
battleborn has like 3k players worldwide a week after release
meanwhile blizzard is still patching diablo2 and Starcraft1
You tell me which game will die first
>>337700581
It's like LoL in first-person. Watch some videos and see if you're interested in it for yourself.
>>337700581
Its more for ASSFAGGOTS players than shooter players. Pretty much the polar opposite of Overwatch, which is more for fps players than assfaggots players.
Both games are inspired by both though
>>337700765
yeah.. overwatch is more like.. TF2 with a tad of CS, Q3 and classes that mirror other games in fun ways.
A straight shooter but with 21 characters
Meanwhile battlenborn is a straight moba with lanes and minions, and shooting and gearbox humor
Paladins is really mediocre.
It's entertaining for a while but it's really shallow and making "good plays" doesn't feel satisfying at all, they made the game too team centered.
>>337700581
Sounded like a good idea. But non existent matchmaking means 9/10 games is boring 1 sided stomps.
1 game mode is currently not played by anyone since one of the heroes can cheese it.
The heroes also, for me at least, turned out to be much more boring than i initially thought.
>>337700112
Honestly, after all this years, Tf2 still is the best of those 4 games. Although im playing a lot of Overwatch lately, it's fun.
I've played Tf2 for WAY too much. I needed a change.
>>337700765
Well i've played more ASSFAGGOTS than TF so I guess that's good.
But does it do justice? And is the online active, doesn't seem like it'll die before a year?
Battleborn is more appealing to me. But I'll get overwatch if it has much more potential in the long run.
>>337701010
Ok so balance issues seems to huge.
And how are the heroes boring, you mean their gameplay and mechanics are boring, or just the character's themselves.
Because not League, not Dota, not TF, not even overwatch has appealing characters to me. They all endlessly seem bland as fuck to me.
>>337701484
I'm having fun with memeborn, I'd spring for it if I were you. Especially if you can coax a buddy into buying it too and run through the missions with him
>>337701484
>gameplay and mechanics are boring
This one unfortunately.
Maybe i am just too new to the game. But most heroes seem just a bit too simplistic, while having a low skill ceiling.
moba
>>337700309
I do. I really enjoyed it for what it was. Too bad it died
>>337700643
Kinda like overwatch and what I've seen of battleborn combo. Played it once, wasn't interested. You could pick up a key on g2a or just apply for the beta that's been going on forever now.
>>337700112
I like overwatch since its similar to tf2 without hat trading
>>337700581
It suffers from a lot of balance issues. Not that you could expect anything else from developers who revel in having big numbers flying out of the heads of your enemies.
>>337700581
When it flies, it soars.
When it drags, it's a queen.
Mixed bag but i can say it's good. Get it off CDkeys
http://www.cdkeys.com/pc/games/battleborn-pc-cd-key-steam
>>337702214
That's because of the nature of the game. It's not an FPS in that the skill comes from how well you shoot, this is more like borderlands where it's about getting better gear, your skill in shooting comes second. Overwatch is the opposite. And both are fine, they're just different types of game. I was watching this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAMGrDUSGJU
Where both games are directly compared. And to be honest they both look good and fun, my main concern is how long will it be fun for? Which one do you think will die out first?
Both have more content coming in the future as well.
>>337700112
why can't they make one i would actually like, a bushido blade style one.
these are all trash.
Where do I find player numbers from blizzard games?
>>337703439
>When it flies, it soars.
>When it drags, it's a queen.
So like every other MOBA.
Also holy shit thanks, that's a fucking steal. I do need to make my decision though.
And seems like both games are good and bad in equal ways. The question is which one will live longer and stronger.
>>337703592
So what? You just want a fighting game? Go play Street Fighter.
Mean while the real fucking KING
AKA Wolfenstein: ET gets no recognition. The true team based shooter.
Am I genuinely the only one who doesn't know what the fuck Paladins is?
>>337700112
The best one isLawbreakers.
>>337701010
>1 game mode is currently not played by anyone since one of the heroes can cheese it.
Please, tell me more
>>337703732
>>337703732
>Also holy shit thanks, that's a fucking steal. I do need to make my decision though.
Why not both? You can't be THAT strapped for cash?
>>337703887
Pretty sure he's on about Incursion. First patch is going to address the issue.
Sniper character can hit the enemy sentry from the other side of the map.
when is overwatch supposed to actually release?
>>337701365
TF2's balance has gone out the window and it's just a flogged horse now compared to it's non-F2P days. Battleborn is DOA. Paladins is a while from launch and probably will scratch current TF2 numbers or more given the success of SMITE.
>>337703843
Naw, dude, I've never heard of it either.
>>337704158
on the 24th. Though i saw something about early launch on the 23. But don't know anything about that.
>>337704158
onlywat.ch
>>337704158
Google is your friend
>>337704320
lazy
>>337703820
This is one of my favorites, SO many fun memories of that game.
>Trickjumping
>Rambo Medic
>Never a single fucking engineer when you need one
>Trickjumping
>So many awesome user maps.
Why did you have to remind me of this game and its non-existent community...
tfw these neo fps devs don't understand how important interesting movement mechanics are
>>337703904
Yes nigga I'm broke.
But that's not relevant, even if i could get both, which one would be better or more worth the bucks?
At this point I see them both as equally good games, so I'm not asking that anymore, I'm wondering about the long term play-ability of both games.
>>337700112
tf2 used to be fun but it has a super trash engine that makes it unplayable on the most high end machines
>>337704259
The early launch is only for consoles. The game is released the day before, but the servers still don't go online until the 24th, so that way the console version is playable at the exact same time as the PC version.
>>337704540
>Long term playability
Overwatch is gonna be the more popular title, no doubt about that. So pick that up if you want a game you can at least get a team for
Gearbox kinda fucked up everything marketing related with Battleborn so it's suffering from a lower player count
TF2 is not an ASSFAGGOTS. Try again.
>>337704490
>lost half hp
>>337704490
How the fuck is that a fair comparison?
The bitch has the ability to fly, that's exclusive to her, it's one character with the mechanic, it does not speak for every character or the whole game.
It'd be a better comparison if you showed that the rocket jumping or something similar is not at all possible in overwatch.
>>337704746
>Gearbox kinda fucked up everything marketing related with Battleborn so it's suffering from a lower player count
You don't think it'll pick up? I don't mean what will be more popular in the next 5 months, i mean which game will be more popular for the next year or 2 at the least, and which game seems like it'll have the most support from the devs in the long term.
I'm scared shitless that gearbox will literally just drop battleborn within a year if the player count doesn't pick up.
But if the game is good, it should pick up right?
Right?
>>337700581
Visually, it's a fucking mess. The visual effects are way too flashy and if there are more than 3 heroes on the screen you'll have a hard time seeing anything.
>Balance is bad. There are very clear high tier characters (Ambra, Galilea) and shit tier characters (Whisky Foxtrot, Boldur)
>You get more currency by farming around your base than you do fighting, which discourages playing the objective.
>It panders to SJWs (no attractive female designs, no suggestive outfits or even cleavage, Oscar Mike's "feminism is awesome!" line, etc)
>Unfunny jokes out the ass, which you'll inevitably be hearing hundreds of times if you play this game for more than an afternoon. The sentry bots--the equivalent of your base in a MOBA--makes jokes every time you pass it by.
That's all I've got.
>>337704369
Sorry I don't spoonfeed people information they can discover in literally 3 seconds.
I'm going to laugh my ass off for six hours straight when Overwatch dies within the next two months and everyone goes back to TF2.
If five different games weren't enough to kill it, what makes you think this one will?
>>337704540
>Overwatch
You understand it straight away
Skill ceiling is low.
Three modes at launch
21 characters. Most of them use guns. More to come afterwards
Roster is unlocked straight away
Three modes at launch like they came right out of TF2
Developer has a track record of supporting even the deadest of their games
40$+ inevitable microtransactions for cosmetics
>Battleborn
Harder to understand intially
Higher skill ceiling
Three Modes at launch with one of them being KotH and one being Mobalike with one lane
Single player and co op available
Gear
25 characters. 1/5th of them use guns. More to come afterwards
Most of the roster is locked behind challenges
Developer has a track record of supporting their titles but has never gone into the MP space
60$+inevitable microtransactions for cosmetic and an additional 20$ for purely cosmetics and story missions.
Here's a QA with the lead designer of Battleborn
https://www.reddit.com/r/Battleborn/comments/4ip8ep/qa_with_jythri_creative_director_on_a_twitch/
>>337705151
>kill tf2
Why do people keep thinking this game is supposed to "kill" tf2?
Did Battlefield kill Call of Duty? Its just a similar game.
>>337705102
>Whiskey
>Not a rape machine
>Oscar Mike's "feminism is awesome!" line, etc)
But he only says that when you kill a female character. That's the joke.
>>337705102
>The visual effects are way too flashy and if there are more than 3 heroes on the screen you'll have a hard time seeing anything.
This is actually one of the biggest reasons why I'm not picking it up, that and it's made by Gearbox. Fucking war-torn Iraq is a more pleasing sight.
>>337705040
I want it to pick up, yes. I do own the game myself.
But, if that's the question you're asking, then right now it is shaky about if anything is going to die.
Gearbox is planning on supporting BB to the best of their abilitiesaccording to a stream interview that got posted on Reddit
Just go with what you think will last and what looks good.
>>337705102
>"Feminism is awesome!" line
Already proven to be taken way out of context
He says it when he kills a female hero.
>No beautiful women that pander to virgins
Not every game has to have that, though.
>>337705151
It won't die any time soon. People have invested too much time and money into the game.
>>337705151
why would it die in 2 months people like the game and it will be getting constant updates after launch
>>337705550
>>No beautiful women that pander to virgins
>Not every game has to have that, though.
You're absolutely right. But if Overwatch proves anything, it's that waifu pandering certainly helps.
It's no wonder Battleborn flopped.
They're all boring as fuck and I'd prefer to play CS:GO and CoD4.
>>337705447
Every single person I talk to about this game praises it as the next "TF2 killer". It's getting on my fucking nerves.
>>337705592
It won't die for quite a while, I'll concede, but it won't have as steady of a userbase as TF2 after two months time. It's not going to last 7 years, either.
>>337705931
>Waifu pandering certainly helps
I will admit it does but, when the chips come down, most of it's popularity comes from it just being a Blizzard title, at least in my eyes.
I won't even be surprised if the thing keeping it alive after a point is the porn
>>337706158
>I will admit it does but, when the chips come down, most of it's popularity comes from it just being a Blizzard title, at least in my eyes.
I have a group of friends/acquaintances who played the beta, none of which ever played a Blizzard game before, ever, including myself in that. (This is maybe 16 other people). I know for a fact that 14 of them have prepurchased OW after playing seeing as we're already organizing some team games.
No Paragon?
>>337705349
You made Battleborn sound much better and its already the one that appeals to me more.
Don't let me make a mistake anons.
The complaints about waifus is irrelevant to me, however, i did notice the visual mess it is when I was watching gameplay videos and it did deter me a bit.
I definitely wish battleborn had an aesthetic that was more soft and polished like overwatch.
Battleborn is a literal paint brush splatter on a screen. However, at the same time, it can make things feel more intense.
>>337700572
kek
>>337706153
>It won't die for quite a while, I'll concede, but it won't have as steady of a userbase as TF2 after two months time. It's not going to last 7 years, either.
But we don't know how popular it will be after 2 months. If updates are consistent and they don't break shit, perhaps it will reach 5 years. The only reason TF2 exploded into a new wave of success was because it went F2P, before that it's population was declining.
>>337705447
IMO tf2 died on its own when Valve decided to make hats, weird game modes and optional weapons instead of making an update to the base game. Now Overwatch comes out and it's just filling the void Valve inadvertently created.
>>337705349
>Developer has a track record of supporting their titles but has never gone into the MP space
Homeworld Remastered begs to differ.
>>337706789
>You made Battleborn sound much better and its already the one that appeals to me more.
>Don't let me make a mistake anons.
Any other anons can feel free to add in stuff to the list but i will say.
Battleborn feels like a game that has the potential to grow but it's struggling at the moment seeing as how difficult the game is for people to "get it".
Overwatch is more immediate and will obviously have a huge community at launch because of Blizztards. But so did Diablo 3 and Starcraft.
>>337706619
Alright, you got me there.
Though, no matter what Blizzard puts out, I've always heard about it, even if I don't play them.
So we can at least say Acti-Blizzard surely has a lot of money to throw out at marketing.I don't hate Overwatch at all, I just have this thing where if I start seeing something just about everywhere, a part of me starts to gain a burning hatred for itMaybe it's just the culture today of needing to hype up everything
>>337700309
Brink was a lot better than overwatch will ever be.
>>337707118
>Homeworld Remastered begs to differ.
Which part? The MP or the support?
Because mind you, they're still dedicated on getting that massive patch out that changes the way HW1 remastered works.
>>337706789
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N5XQI8EDDw
>>337700112
i dont think anyone could have predicted how bad tf2 players would be btfo and act like literal children becuase of overwatch
these threads are hilarious
>>337700112
I still prefer Warframe over any of them.
class based shooters have been around for ages OP. you dingus
>>337707154
I also got annoyed about the hype surrounding OW, I didn't understand why people were so excited and I dismissed it. Then I played the free beta and my opinions switched.
>>337707157
>maps designed by a retard
>riddled with cheaters
>lack of support from developers post-launch
BRINK could have been a lot better, it had potential but remembering it as some undiscovered jewel is dumb.
>>337707280
MP Hasn't been balanced or tweaked in a year and it still hasn't left beta. They're abandoned it.
>>337703685
Where everyone else. Your ass.
>>337707772
*They've
>>337707403
Well that was err, pretty cheesy, but cool in a way.
Not sure what you were trying to show me with this though.
>>337707126
Thanks a lot for your input anon it was much appreciated as i think I've made my decision on getting Battleborn.
However I gave it some though, and I feel maybe i should wait a month and see how the game has been picking up. Or if there's a time to get into it, it's now?
>had a blast with team fortress and ctf mods in q2
>everything is toony moba shit now
why can't we have team-based shooter games that aren't cartoons or mobas? like in the good ole days
>>337707054
This.
TF2 has been stagnating for years.
>>337707859
Or Blizzard themselves ...
http://www.pcgamesn.com/wow/world-warcraft-subscriptions-drop-more-13-percent-worldwide-total-now-83-million
>Played all 4
>Only had remotely any fun with 2 of them
Paladins and Battleborn are shit. The 2nd of which is the next Evolve, but not nearly as bad.
>>337701484
>Because not League, not Dota, not TF, not even overwatch has appealing characters to me. They all endlessly seem bland as fuck to me.
Don't play any multiplayer games for the characters. Go play an RPG or something.
>>337700112
they are all shit, the genre is shit, LoL is shit, Dota is shit, everything millenials like is shit.
>>337707637
The only thing I regret really is not giving OW a chance and playing the beta.
Thank god I still have a bunch of financial aid money lying around that I can spend on games. I'll probably get it when it comes around.
>>337707917
>However I gave it some though, and I feel maybe i should wait a month and see how the game has been picking up. Or if there's a time to get into it, it's now?
My opinion. Get neither. See in a months time after the shilling from Overwatch is done to see how both games are doing community wise.
I like Battleborn a whole lot but if you're on the fence, just take a step back. Or just get some more cash and get both, ya dingus. Getting them both off places like kinguin/cdkeys is the cost of a single PS4 title.
>>337707772
Yeah fair nuff. That shit was stupid.
>>337707953
Cartoony styles are fun and distinctive, and allow things to be more believable.
For example, people would have a much harder time accepting a photo-realistic jetpacking gorilla or mushroom ninja. Cartoony styles just lend themselves better to more out-there character designs.
>>337700112
TF2 is a shadow of its former self
Paladins is literally who: the game
Battleborn is DoA
Overwatch beats all three
>>337708232
wait, doesn't that make you 16 years old?
>>337708412
It is also just a natural evolution from the many years of brown and bloom shooters.
>>337708242
i was interested in overwatch and then played the beta and realised it was terrible. zero skill ceiling, aiming optional, overpowered ultras and special moves reign supreme.
i know, this is /v/, unusal for someone to shit on a game
>>337707953
>>337708412
It's also worth mentioning that cartoony aesthetics make optimizing the game much easier.
>>337707054
This, it's not like "we want the CoD audience" where you're trying to steal people away from a popular, well-accepted game. TF2 fans have had nothing decent to play for years now.
>>337707917
>>337708307
https://www.reddit.com/r/Battleborn/comments/4ip8ep/qa_with_jythri_creative_director_on_a_twitch/
Listen to this if you want to see how the lead designer thoughts on the future of the game.
>>337708307
>I like Battleborn a whole lot but if you're on the fence, just take a step back. Or just get some more cash and get both, ya dingus. Getting them both off places like kinguin/cdkeys is the cost of a single PS4 title.
Good point.
At first I thought battleborn was the game being put in favor, then I looked at more videos and I see this very often.
"Overwatch is better" "I cannot see the appeal to this, it looks boring"
And then right after "well I tried it and I had a blast". Seems like everyone who's tried Battleborn are surprised by it, but like you or another anon said, it's not an entry level game, so I can't trust first impressions of it.
>>337700112
Dirty Bomb.
>>337708657
The 2 games are different to the point that it comes down to personal taste of which gameplay style you prefer.
>>337700112Loadout
>>337705151
> everyone goes back to tf2
Most of the overwatch playerbase didn't come from TF2. Also blizzard games last forever, even hots has an active core being the relative flop that it is.
>>337708853
Oh no, i could enjoy both of them, no problem there.
It's a matter of bang for buck and future potential.
So, Overwatch is TF2 with minor MOBA elements, Battleborn is LOL with minor shooter elements?
>TF2
old and busted
>paladins
lol hi-rez can fuck off
>battleborn
servers drying up in 3...2...
>Overwatch
Team fortress 3? I'll take it
>>337700643
Overwatch clone.
>>337709138
pretty much yea
>>337700112
TF2 & Overwatch are the best.
All others are irrelevant.
Take shit-tier Paladin off that fucking list
>>337708562
I do hear this a lot.
So would you say that Overwatch basically be one of those games you play with yourfriendsfor a night or two before you go back to your other games?
>>337709347
You mad paladins is doing better than your shitty battleborn cuck?
>another try to invent a genre to see if it sticks like "doom" or "diablo"
>put tf2 in this fucking invented genre
please, do not enter in this pieces of shit game
>>337709138
Well the shooter elements are pretty big in battleborn aswell. You need aim to track targets etc.
i hope overwatch being a thing shows the fucking trashcan that is robin walker that people still want to play fps games.
>>337700681
This. Even Blizzard's failures (like Diablo 3) generally end up outliving similar titles.
It's a company that fucks up occasionally but never on such a level that their games fall into oblivion. Considering how much they put into Overwatch development and promotion, I expect it to be a huge success regardless of whether or not it's as good as TF2.
Honestly, it's a shit-tier normie genre and I don't indulge in it.
>>337700309
anatema. Its mere mention could get you executed by beth shill dept.
>>337700112
I'm glad you included paladins. It's so under rated. Still, overwatch is better.
>>337700112
You mean Class-based fps?
What is this heroshooter meme
>>337700681
>compares blizzard with neo-activision-blizzard-vivendi-shithole
wewlad
>>337700951
>overwatch is like tf, quake, cs
Stopped reading there.
what the fuck are you saying
>>337709812
He is right you know.
Overwatch is a very fast paced game.
hero shooter is the new ASSFAGGOTS
i propose
SHooter
Integrated
Telematic
System
Universal
Xtreme
What about Gigantic?
>>337700112
Hi-Rez has repeatedly raped Paladins with one patch after another, each somehow making the game, which at a fundamental level is actually kind of fun, worse and worse. The game's own developers have killed it before they even got it out of alpha.
>>337709681
No, because that would include fps military shooters that have basic classes like 'solider, medic, engineer'.
Hero shooters make each class feel a lot different than those fps class based games do.
>>337710027
No one cares about that disaster of an ASSFAGGOT
>>337710027
Gigantic is a moba, not a hero shooter.
Team Fortress 2 is the only one with actual interesting competetive gameplay in the form of mobility/push-based 6v6 or janky-ass 9v9, every other game is a gross halfassed MOBA/bullet sponge shooter hybrid at high levels where the only interesting thing is how well their teamwork is as they slowly make their way through chokepoints in gamemodes and settings that TF2 came up with years ago.
These games are really fun to play with friends, especially Overwatch, but they're just gonna be the fun flavour of the month game with teens and young adults until the playerbase slowly dies out like with The Division.
Overwatch has a huge advantage because it's a Blizzard game and therefore is guaranteed a huge playerbase so it'll die out slower, but it's really obvious that it's a soulless cash cow with microtransactions even though they expect people to pay for it.
TF2 has been totally fucked over by Valve though, and competitive TF2 is super unstable and volatile, so chances are TF2's competitive scene will die out before any of these other games (except Paladins) despite its merits.
>>337710243
Overwatch entire meta is mobility and push based meta tho. No need to shill a decade old game like TF2.
>>337710243
>but it's really obvious that it's a soulless cash cow with microtransactions
That's exactly what TF2 has become though.
>>337703881
Nexon shit.
>>337710243
I mean the only microtransactions in OW are the boxes which you already get at a pretty steady rate just from levelling up. And those only contain cosmetics.
>>337700112
It amazes me how people are still comparing their shooters with a game that is almost a decade old.
>>337711194
have they stated that is coming? Because for now, there is no microtransactions in the game at all.
>>337710101
Is starwars battlefront 2 a "hero shooter"
>>337711406
Fuck no.
>>337711361
You'll be able to buy credits and loot boxes with real money at launch.
>>337711361
Yes, it's on their game page. I'm pretty sure they said it at some point a long ass time ago.
They weren't in the beta because shit's getting wiped before launch.
>>337710243
kotaku, is that you?
>>337711406
No.
>>337711481
Not credits, those are contained in boxes and from duplicate items.
>LOOT
>A random selection of customization options come packaged in Loot Boxes—you’ll unlock one box every time you level up, and can purchase more in the in-game Shop. Loot Boxes have a chance to contain credits you can use to acquire any specific cosmetics you want.
>>337711651
Okay then, just boxes. Which is even more RNG to throw your money at.
>>337700112
>battleborn is a moba
Overwatch is in a whole different league.
>>337711000
Yeah, but TF2 competitive play and Valve-endorsed play are two completely different things. 6v6 with strict rules and 16v16 killfests are barely the same game.
Contrast that to modern eSports games where the developers have to keep both competitive and casual play in mind while designing the game. It's like Melee vs. Smash 4.
I miss you.
>>337711601
Why? All the classes play really different
Battleborn was more fun than Paladins or Overwatch, but I didn't buy it because I'm on PC and it was always obvious that the PC playerbase would be small for it. I have friends that are buying Overwatch, so I might get that at least the fact that it's 40 dollars is nice. It's definitely more enjoyable than Paladins. I haven't played TF2 in a very long time so I can't really comment on it anymore.
>>337709998
>Overwatch is a very fast paced game.
>Every character moves slower than molasses going uphill in January
>fast paced
>>337712312
>it's not doom/quake speed it's slow
>>337711970
Not really. It's been a while since I played battlefront 2 but they where just different shooty gun classes e.g sniper, engineer etc. The only classes that play different are the heroes but you don't play them from the get go.
>>337704843
and the solider is the only class with a rocket launcher? The demoman can sticky jump but its not the same. how is that not a fair comparison?
>>337700428
it's just retards
TF2 and Overwatch are not similar to Battleborn or Paladins and people need to fuck off
>>337712639
>not liking shock trooper
>not playing droideka
>not enjoying bothan spy
Poor taste
It's more hero shooter than any on the board desu
>>337712824
Tf2 isnt similar to overwatch outside of engineer guy that makes sentries with levels and payload gamemode
>>337700616
>needing spellcheck
hee hee
>>337712824
Paladins and overwatch are very similar. I've played both. Still play paladins actually. The only thing paladins does different is add the card system.
>>337700581
No.
Never get gearbox games.
>>337712964
>overwatch has three 3 THREE classes whose gimmick is sentries
jesus can you think of a better idea blizz?
>>337710010
pretty good but not as good as assfaggots
how about
Diegetically Integrated Competition - Killing TF2 and Undermining Really Dead Shooters
What do you guys think about Paragon? Any of you try it yet?
>>337713721
Feels slowish, the item system in game is dumb and a complete turn off, it's really fucking pretty
>>337705151
This. It's a quaint shallow game but it's not as good as tf2 and only a matter of time it's novelty wears off.
