the best arpg ever made
Australia made an rpg?
interesting
It's alright, the lack of randomized map layouts knocks it back a bit. Still not better than Titan Quest.
>>337668406
>wanting randomized layouts
disgusting
>still not better than the game it literally took and grew upon
disgusting.
Only "bad" thing about grim dawn is the lack of an indepth "end game" but theres a dlc coming out soon.
>>337668492
It's just kinda boring doing multiple playthroughs without it, you know where everything is and just beeline for it. No real exploration or anything fun.
Is this a diablo/path of exile type game?
>>337668662
have you played any other arpg?
>>337668492
No randomized layouts is fucking stupid as fuck.
Dropped it after my third replay, unlike Diablo 2. Still the king, baby.
Nothing will top D2.
>>337667647
ah, so that's why I've never heard of it
>>337667647
I still thinkTorchlight 2is the best
>>337667647
>no endgame
>shitty areas
>loot is pretty bad
>all points into physique
>story is bad
>class combinations can be pretty crappy
>spongy enemies at higher difficulties
i liked TQ more
>>337669139
>d2
>randomized
"okay"
>>337668406
Titan Quest was the slowest most boring game I have ever played. Even PoE was more exciting.
>>337667647
the setting sucks major balls
scrap weapons suck
i wish someone would make something different from the usual settings arpgs have been using since d1. tq's mythical setting was neat.
>>337667647
You mean progress clicker.
This is an ARPG.
POST 'EM
>no one posts 'em
>>337671891
and what is that
>>337674403
Looks like a video game.
>>337674403
>what are filenames
>what is reverse image search
Drink some bleach
>>337667647Sacredstill has that title
Also TQ is more fun
>>337667647
It gets kinda repetitive desu
>>337671891
Fuck that game is fun, I wish it didn't have so many problems. The humor in it is A+
>>337671891
I remember having tons of fun with it
Also, Sacred
![71ICaeJ7P9L._SL1500_[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Dnkb6w4.jpg "71ICaeJ7P9L._SL1500_[1].jpg")
D-did you forget about me, senpai?
>>337674691
>tfw playing Sacred 2 now
>I will never get to experience it online with an active community
I really hope Unbended doesn't get scrapped. Or turn out shit.
>>337674972
Oh hey it's the game with no items.
>>337675116
I didn't really like Sacred 2 it felt too different also the voice bugs really annoyed me(people kept saying the same thing for hours, but that's probably fixed by now)
>>337674629
and what is this post
>>337675235
I think it's called spoonfeeding
>>337672280
>>337675307
What's that M1 ability?
Is this game any fun for someone who has never played an ARPG? Or will I get bored of it quickly?
As a child I always played ARPGs "wrong"
I played through them and then and then stopped
Didn't give a fuck about items, minmaxing, or shitty cosmetics
>>337669139
My nigga
>>337675619
You played them just right my friend
>>337669139
Diablo 2 has randomized layouts, nigga
>>337675707
Shit, wrong link
>>337669645
>>337671891
Are Beyond Divinity and Divinity 2 worth playing?
>>337675702
I agree, but once I learned that you are supposed to play them in a certain way they lost all their fun
I can't focus on fun instead my brain wants to min max and read wikis
>>337674972
I could never forget yourRule 34.
>>337675839
>tfw have fun with these games regardless
Feels okay, man.
>>337675810
Yes but they're not Diablo-likes.
>>337675707
>>337675775
hardly, grim dawn has just as much randomization LMAO
>>337675810
I've only heard bad things about Beyond but I don't have an opinion of my own
>>337675810
Beyond is kinda like DD only broken. The two character system has absolutely no flow, you either pause and micro all the time or you get rekt. Also I spent like 15 hours in that game and still didn't leave the starter dungeon, I'm not even sure if it has outdoor areas.
Divinity 2 is a very different game, a 3rd person hack&slash. The combat is kinda clunky and grindy (you literally HAVE to kill everything on the map to have the necessary level to face later enemies), but the world is pretty and the writing still has that "old Larian" charm. I'd say it's worth playing until you reach the floating fortresses, then alt-f4, uninstall and never think about it again.
>>337675116
While Sacred 2 has a huge world, it gets boring really quick.
3/4 through the game I decided just to rush it to end it.
>>337676401
protip: don't mash LMB through the quest dialogues, they often give you a nice backstory for why you're supposed to go to the other end of the map and kill 10 skeletons, and they really help bring the world to life.
Treat it as a shallow RPG with ARPG mechanics, it's fun to roam the world to see what the devs put in there. If you play it like Diablo and the various clones - minmax skills -> farm items -> farm exp -> repeat then yeah, it does get boring fast.
>>337675116
I just reinstalled Sacred 2 for shits and giggles, only to realize how slow and abysmal the gameplay feels. Do people actually enjoy it?
The game feels absolutely terrible to play in the beginning, does it get better after a while or what?
>slowly working on following this Arc Destroyer build
>2H physical/bleed/internal trauma Warder
>no idea if I should level Cadence or Blade Arc first
That's not Path of Exile
>>337677007
>The game feels absolutely terrible to play in the beginning, does it get better after a while or what?
It does. You should know if you're re-installing, no?
>ARPG
>the skills that you need to level up are X/Y/Z weapon limited
>there is no easy respec option so you're entirely at the mercy of the RNG to give you a not shit weapon for your build
Fuck every game that ever did this and fuck extra hard games that still do this in the CURRENT YEAR.
>>337675401
Troll's rage or something from the Mistborn Talisman. I changed for a shard of beronath now though.
>the most boring arpg ever made
fixed that for you
>>337677420
Not him but I see OFF. Is your build more of a caster cold build or melee cold? I'm assuming the latter.
>>337677465
That's POE.
>>337677493
Melee cold/pierce
>>337677710
How is that? I was interested in trying one but wasn't sure how to build it. I have a 70s Spellbreaker already but it's lightning-based and I didn't really want to recreate the same kind of character (dual-wield, Shadow Strike, Pneumatic Burst, other same/similar skills, etc.) Maybe one day.
>>337677316
Well I originally played the game back when it came out on a new computer, so I was more focused on the neat graphics but ultimately stopped playing because the game was buggy as fuck.
Which character should I play?
>>337677845
Something along those lines.
http://grimcalc.com/build/RdJfEu
I'm just throwing points at random because I'm not really 100% sure what my build will look like at max level. The whole Dual blade line will depend of how many +1 all skills you get since there's not much point overcapping those skills.
Depending of how many points I have left, I might go full on shadowstrike and max the skill but right now I'm being carried by items I got on my previous char, may her soul rest in piss.
>>337677465
That's POE
>>337677914
Dual wield Seraphim. It starts slow like every character, but once you have 2 decent swords and some points in pelting strikes and dashing alacrity she just mows enemies down and runs faster than a character on a mount.
I based mine on this, only took spell resistance instead of combat reflexes (spell effects really are a bitch in this game):
http://darkmatters.org/forums/index.php?/topic/9686-the-queen-of-blades/
>>337678387
Yeah I know Nightblade generally leaves most DB addons around 4 or 5. I've heard ridiculous things about SS, especially regarding poison builds. I figure it should be insane for poison/pierce. I have it on my lightning Spellbreaker at 74 but it's mostly for utility (movement); same for my cold-caster in her 30s although I forget to even use it most the time.
I suppose I could always turn my caster into a melee if I really wanted but I'll see how fun later levels are with her, especially since I primarily make melee characters anyway.
>>337668118
Underrated post
>>337678609
I might try a poison build next, or bleed, I haven't played enough with Nightblade and almost never with Soldier but I'm not too interested in the latter.
My Spellbreaker is probably going to die to retaliation at some point anyway, the damage is obscene but I'm often not paying attention to reflective mobs.
>>337678469
I guess I'll go with that, thanks.
Any class I should absolutely avoid in case I change my mind?
>>337678942
Most poison builds seem to be the same nature (melee dual-wield, etc). Bleed build is very fun although fighting anything Skeletal or Aetherial is a bitch. I followed a Trickster build for mine but I hear Warder is very strong with it as well. I suppose it's your decision over if you want to dual-wield or use a 2H. I also got lucky and one of my BIS weapons dropped. Anything 'flesh-y' fucking melts. It's great.
>>337667647
>80% of your build is going to be boring passives
>No option for randomized maps
>Looks like shit
>Extremely slow start
>>337675707
Diablo 2 has randomized map layouts per se, but they only randomize between 4-5. If you played Diablo 2 any, then you'd realize after you 10th Mephisto run where the next floor usually is.
>>337679024
I wouldn't know, I only tried like 6 builds between 4 characters, but none of them reached an acceptable tempo of gameplay in the first 10 or 15 levels.
The caster elf is boring as shit, none of her spells are good. You basically hit the enemies with a DOT area spell then kite them until they die.
>>337671891
Mah nigga
>>337679115
tfw Bleed build isn't >1000% yet
>>337672280
>>337679952
Is every character in that game a manlet?
>>337668406
Titan Quest is horrible and a meme to like anon.
>>337680192
You are a meme Anon.
Anyone want to trade legendaries?
>tfw Mythical Relic drops
>>337682445
The recipe you mean?
>>337682653
Yeah. My bad, pal.
so i should get this instead of Path of Exile?
>>337682753
PoE is free, you can get it whenever you want.
That's not saying Grim Dawn is bad or anything.
>>337682753
Totally, if you have the money.
>>337682858
well i mean by "get" i'm talking about which one is better, and which one i should play.
think i might prefer single player slightly.
>>337682913
Grim Dawn then, it's a single player game and the itemization is made with that in mind while PoE relies heavily on trading.
You can trade in GD if that's your thing but beating the game is perfectly doable with self found gear and build.
>>337683236
>>337682867
>>337682858
guess that settles it, gaben take my money
>it's a groble area
>>337677130
>Cadence
>Not Savagery
Come on now.
>>337684556
I'm level ten. Figured I'd try something new.
>>337684619
Well, Savagery and Cadence will basically replace your usual attack.
So for more damage and better mopping you should take either one of these early.
Savagery is far more better in the long run, I think.
>>337684880
Oh I know what they do. I could have clarified more. This is an alt but didn't want to level using the same ol' Savagery as normal. I'll likely drop Cadence later on, for sure.
>>337685037
Ah, I see. I have a Warder Level 83 on Absolute myself, but wanting to try something new too, like Witchhunter or Witchblade, but this time taking it to Hardcore.
>>337685379
>Absolute
What. You mean Ultimate or something equivalent, right? I have many alts myself but only one character in Ultimate.
>>337685480
My mistake, Ultimate is called Absolute here where I live in my language.
Right now, I'm bored with the game, though.Does this new DLC offer only a new dungeon or will we ger more?
>>337685672
It's okay.
It's supposed to. One of the recent update posts listed everything that is included.
>>337685834
Damn, so nothing new in particular.
My main concern with the game is that It had to many loose ends in it's plot, like that quest with Uroboruuk which kind off ended abruptly.
Hope they will fix this.
>>337686360
Well it has a new dungeon, new area, and other stuff. I just don't remember everything. Go look it up, nigga.
Not as good as PoE senpai
>>337677465
That's PoE
>>337686415
Found it, thanks for your help. Waiting warmly.
It's good, but it's not as fun on multiple playthroughs and there's a lack of endgame content.
>another D3 """""" killer""""""
No thanks, they never get it right
>>337687226
Wouldn't we need a D2 killer first? And D3 definitely wasn't it.
>>337688363
D2 killed itself with stamina bar and character only skills. It was hard to botch Diablo formula, but blizz made everything they could wrong.
Getting better from d2 milestone wasn't difficult.
grim dawn is shit. Its hilarious how a rpg that took like 5 years to make is worse then their previous game titan quest.
So I need another AROG to play guys
I like Diablo 3 fun and all that but I need a break from it.
I remember pirating Torchlight 2 and having fun with it how is it hokding up?
>>337689098
Get Synergies and play it. Playing right now, having great fun with it.
>>337688774
It's an achievement they managed to finish in the first place though. The engine might be the same, but Crate had the fraction of the staff working on it.
>In an update provided to the Grim Dawn Kickstarter project on April 18, 2012, Crate revealed that the core of the company consists of only two full-time employees, with additional work being provided by former Iron Lore employees when needed.
>>337688363
Well that's the thing. Arpg contenders are trying to imitate the same logic that was applied to d2-3. It's endless random farming of items with insignificant 3.5% to something, so you would replace one with 3.1%. There's no way to do this but bring and hope it will drop. Good thing you run around faster than mobs and trash them with one swoop.
First diablo was slow, and square grid caused risk of being overpowered. Your resources were limited to your belt, even gold you carry took item space. You could use any magic to compensate, mostly in scrolls.
D2 shat all over it for the sake of raw looting. Use the most powerful skill that covers entire screen, kite enemies and carry about 50 potions so you could outdrink the boss. People that cherish runewords and Baal runs deserved what they got in d3, as it's the quintessence of their mmo-like experience they loved
>>337689427
There's a big forum post too on why it took so long.
>>337678884
It's a terrible joke
>>337689584
Not him but I actually liked the idea of Rifts although I disliked having to farm keys.
>>337682214
Somebody trade me alreadyree
And don't let the thread die!
>>337667647
nah fable was better its like dark souls but with a jump button and good archery
>>337691136
I would but I'm don't have anything in Softcore, plus I barely get anything good.
>>337667647
new season comes out for diablo 2 in 2 days, why the flying fuck would I give this the time of day
>>337692064
Goddommit.
welp one last bump
>>337691136
do u have any ultos set parts?
I already have the axe
>>337695896
>u
I don't. I need them too. Sorry, mang.
>>337696317
is there anything you need?
>>337696615
Yeah but I don't have exact names.
If you have anything for a melee dual-wield Bleed/Pierce build or a ranged dual-wield fire/chaos build, that would be nice.
>>337696771
>>337695896
And if you need other things, I can look for those as well.
>>337696771
these are for a bleed build
>>337695896
Actually fuck.
Is that a Brutallax?
>>337697632
Holy shit I need that Vileblood Mantle. Uh is there anything else specifically that you need? I can make a list of everything I have if you want to do the same? Otherwise, I don't know what you would want in return for the legendary or two but I'd appreciate it very much.
>>337697641
nope, earthsplitter and butcher of burrwitch
>>337697791
Ah lame. Looks like the same graphic is used then.
>>337697770
my steam id is krabocopter, add me
>tfw my minions reck every boss within seconds
Summoner build is soooo relaxed in Grim Dawn..
Why is nobody playing HC god damn it, I just want people to trade with.
>>337697908
>>337697881
>>337697791
>>337697770
>>337697641
>>337697632
>>337697535
>>337696771
>>337696615
>>337696317
>>337695896
>>337691136
>>337682214
What the fuck, does that game not have ingame chat and trading rooms?
>>337699179
>trading with randoms
>>337699242
>trading with /v/
The former might actually be preferable.
>>337667647
What are some good builds?
Thinking about some summon based one. Any others?
>>337699337
People from the forums are weird.
>>337699381
Depends on what you want to play.
>>337699381
You can pretty much make anything work. Find a fun skill and make your build around it. I'm currently doing a cocktail/grenade spam and it's fun as fuck, if a bit slow'ish.
>>337699532
Not him but you think a melee fire/lightning build is feasible?
>>337699381
Get that Conjurer with lightning totems, shit's fun as fuck.
>tfw didn't grab Asterkarn Valley rift before trading
>gotta run through the entire Darkvale Gate again
ree
>>337699596
Very. The whole of Ulzuin's set is fire+lightning. You can go sword&board or dual wield. Go with fire strike for your autoattack, slap a Riftstone on a weapon for on demand teleport to fuckers and there you go, wreck stuff. Put points in vindictive flame/ulzuin's wrath to zap fuckers that hit you.
>>337699912
Yeah it sounds fun too with all the skills, especially early on.
>can throw lightning jacks on the ground
>can throw a grenade
>can throw cocktails
>can throw flash bangs
>plus defensive skills
>>337700045
Plus if you're softcore, you have a lot of flexibility to pick whatever the fuck you want. At lategame, you'll have so much shit flying around, meteors dropping, fire rain everywhere. What I learned after around 300 hours of GD is that a lot builds are viable and can work. A staggering amount of shit that you'd never think could work actually does.
>>337667647
is Path of Exile
>>337700267
For sure. I just hit over 400 hours myself.
>tfw the game will never be properly optimized so you will already experience severe fps drops when shit is flying around
>>337700468
PoE was the slowest most boring game I have ever played. Even Titan Quest was more exciting.
>>337700931
sorry you have bad taste. no one will agree with you.
>>337701696
I agree with him about PoE being horrifically boring and overrated.
>>337699417
Something that gives a consistent experience. I know pretty much everything can work with the right gear and endgame build, but a lot of builds would be miserable to level with.
I would prefer something that is consistently useful from start to "finish"
>>337702919
nice samefagging.
>>337703019
There's a build compendium on the forums that offers a lot of different styles of play, if you wanna check it out.
>>337667647
pshhh
I have a question about stats. Where should your points go? Is it fine going heavy spirit as a magic user, for example, or should I be going min everything but physique, then lots of physique?
Or what?
>>337705597
Softcore anything goes. Hardcore 100% physique. Exception is probably a full glass cannon AAR build where you need to go full spirit.
>>337699596
Demo is the king of Fire damage and does quite a fair bit of lightning as well.
Saboteur (Nightblade/Demo) might be the most fun, you'd be dual wielding weapons and hitting with Fire Strike while throwing flashbangs and cannister bombs to cc.
>>337706559
I googled saboteur to check a few videos and that looks pretty fun. https://youtu.be/P9qmbnsJ7WY?t=838
Any build focused around guns?
It has its flaws, but I spent so many hours in this game. Just looking at the cover makes me nostalgic.
>>337706708
>dual wield
>takes Crab constellation
>and Chariot of the Dead
What the fuck am I even watching.
>>337676359
The floating fortresses are made much more tolerable in Dragon Knight Saga.
The expansion is good too.
Divinity II is underrated, I enjoyed it far more than anything made by Bethesda for example
>>337667647
I still like NoX better.
>>337705597
The rule of thumb is to get enough to wear the gear you want then dump the rest into Physique.
Always keep your last 5-10 points unspent in case you find gear that you want to use but don't have the stats yet.
Also, going full glass will be the death of you, I usually aim for HP = 100*Character_Level but I play HC so find your own balance between damage and survivability.
And super important, don't let a few mistakes in how you spent your attribute points undermine you, what you lack in a stat can be fixed with gear.
>>337707240
Chariot works in every build, Crab though, I don't get it either.
>>337707752
Chariot is shit. When you tank a crit, either you don't give a shit about it or you're dead. There's no inbetween, especially on ultimate. There's no point to chariot. If it gave a shield, then we'd be going somewhere.
>>337706849
Yep, either start as Demo with Fire Strike and build from there if you want to dual wield pistols or Shaman with Primal Strike for Rifle (the best ranged primal strike weapons are crossbows tho).
>>337707928
Crits that won't kill you can get you low enough that you'll die with the next couple hits if you don't react fast enough.
I once got hit for 9k by Fabius in Elite and I'm loaded with defense, I would have been dead a couple seconds later were it not for Chariot+Tortoise.
It won't save you from getting OS by bullshit crits but it saves your ass all the time.
>>337675537
My second arpg, first one I got anywhere in. Its pretty fun.
hows dragon age origins ??
is it worth getting?
>>337704920
this cracka know what's up.
>>337709921
the first one is OK.
>>337708071
>rotating the camera
>nobody knows how good Dungeon Siege 2 is
>Obsidian fucking raped the series and then killed it
>we'll never get another Dungeon Siege
Fuck you Obsidian.
>>337711414
>sacred never
Another arpg bites the dust
>>337712445
>>337711414
good riddance
>>337667647
Wasn't hard to to top the genre with low standards like that
>>337712445
Come to think of it, Sacred met the same fate. They butchered the series with the 3'rd one. Disciples too. Fuck this world. And fuck Obsidian.
>>337712445
The original dev is trying to cook up a spiritual sequel to Sacred but last I heard they hit funding problems.
Also looking at the history of kickstarted "throwbacks to the good old days" doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. But there's still a chance.
>>337713708
>spiritual sequel to Sacred
It wouldn't work. It's not the same world, no Seraphim. And no more Blind Guardian, that's for sure. Still, I hope they pull it off. That series deserved better.
>>337713972
I wouldn't rule out Blind Guardian donating a song for free just as a fuck you to Deep Silver for ruining the Sacred brand name.
Also, Risen wasn't Gothic and it turned out alright.
>>337714459
>Also, Risen wasn't Gothic and it turned out alright.
I wonder how Elex will turn out though. And yeah Risen did turn out well, I'm one of the very few people that genuinely liked Risen 2 as well.
>all summons are 1 at a time type shit
>no armies of whatever minion shitfests that are so fun in other games
just fuck my shit up
>>337674972
of course i did
>>337714927
so you're the guy
>>337715893
it'll probably be the mastery that comes with expansion
>>337711098
Source!
reverse image search gives nothing
>>337715893
Summons were so boring to use.
Also, the only necromancy was a devotion skill that raises a maximum of 3 skeletons from enemies you just killed. And those 3 skeletons live for 10 seconds then die.
>>337715893
Well you can still have a shitton of summons up if you build that way.
>>337716567
Has there been a announcement about a expansion?
What is the best, most brutally overpowered spell and why is it Olexra's Flash Freeze?
You can max it by about level 7 and be set for the majority of the game. A 16-meter radius nova spell that one-shots armies. Absolutely brutal.
Couple it with the fireball item and you're set.
>>337716974
Doesn't work on bosses and the dmg falls off hard in ultimate. Still, my best build currently is a OFF/TSS hybrid build and it works. The major downside of OFF is that its dmg is completely tied to freeze duration so anything immune to freeze won't take any dmg. You can nullify unstoppable elites but most bosses will just be immune to it.
>>337717429
That was why I carry an item with the fireball component. Gives you a spell for just those occasions.
Some item skills can be stronger than actual class skills. Greater fireblast is devastating and has no cooldown.
>>337716974
>Olexra's Flash Freeze
>>337716790
If by build that way you mean find the right epic items, then yeah.
>>337716593
artist seem to be kemonono.
>>337716593
>>337718772
and by that I mean him http://exhentai.org/g/870619/21bd489959/
