Continued
>>337618375
Topics:
What did Oceiros do to Ocelot that drove the Queen away?
Why was Gertrude imprisoned just for liking angels?
What drove Gwynevere to become Rosaria?
Why is Pontiff such a fucboi?
>>337650597
>Pontiff Sulyvahn
the real monster of Irithyll
>>337650881
what the shit? I've never seen them do that.
>>337650881
Holy fuck, do they all do that?
>>337650992
>>337651037
you have to do a visceral attack, if it doesn't kill them but gets them to a low health, they'll stay in a praying motion until you mercy kill them.
Anyone else turn blood off? For one it felt out of place that a hundred year old hollow was spewing blood upon being hit, and secondly it looked awful. It was washed out as fuck.
>>337650992
>>337651037
Not him, yes if you leave them at a sliver.
>>337650881
The fuck is that thing? Is it a baby gaping dragon or something?
>>337651150
>>337651169
Holy shit, why do I feel bad?
>>337651195a human before the Pontiff fucked his people over
>>337651195
It's a Crocdog.
In DS3, the 3 are referred to as Sullyvahn's beasts.
>>337650597
I'm not there yet, but someone mentioned Gertrude was blind and mute? So is that how she was manipulated by the "angels" (serpents?)
So does DSIII retcon DSII and the whole cycle thing?
>>337650881
>>337651195
Never realized how gaping they look.
Shit is super gaped...
>>337651360
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Divine+Pillars+of+Light
"Miracle of Gertrude, the Heavenly Daughter.
Brings down multiple pillars of light in vicinity.
The Queen's holy maiden Gertrude was visited by an angel, who revealed this tale to her.
Despite losing both her sight and voice, she was determined to record the tale. Ordinary men cannot decipher her fragmentary scrawl, nor comprehend how it became the foundation of the Angelic faith of Lothric."
Something they did fucked her up proper.
>>337651717
>yfw its all anons faults gwyndolin died because of skipping over gaping dragon boss.
>yfw no one remembers lore about gaping dragon coming from the "deep"
BECAUSE EVERYONE SKIPPED IT.
you DENSE mother fuckers.
>>337651542
No, why do you think that? Nobody knew what the events of DS2 would accomplish, but they had to try. Turns out it didn't do what they wanted it to do, and nothing much changed.
As it stands Dark Souls 2 stands as an unimportant side story in a side area meant to develop the world and the lore and show that there's more going on out there than we thought. It's just world development. Honestly I don't know why so many people hate the story and such. I understand that it doesn't make much sense and, mechanically it has it's flaws but people act like it's existence is an affront. It's just a bit of world development, showing life elsewhere.
>>337651923
Wait a sec
You can skip the gaping dragon?
Not that I had trouble with it or anything, but damn there's always new shit to find out in these games.
>>337651923
This.
This clears up so much about the deep.
everyone forgot about The Depths because they skipped it with master key and guides.
Pontiff literally confirmed for using gaping dragon shit to fuck anor londo up
>>337652106
yup, everyone did.
People keep picking master key and taking backroute to the blighttown, like the guideusing shitstains they are
>>337651806
So she lost her sight and voice. but was it from the angel, or from her imprisonment?
>>337652190
Wait. Links?
I haven't killed gaping in a long time, but he doesn't drop a soul does he? His tail weapon also doesn't mention the deep.
Where is this? That's super cool.
>>337651923
Sauce on where it's described as being from the deep/Deep, can't find it myself.
>>337652283
>>337652190
>>337652106
>>337651923
>>337651717
>>337650881
Sullyvahn didnt kill Gwyndolin... We didDEEPest lore
>>337652283
>implying you need a guide to not be an idiot
>>337652584
>>337652445
The place where gaping Dragon is found is CALLED "The Depths".
Its the Deep.
How is this not obvious?
>>337652386
The implication is that she lost her sight and voice by learning that Miracle. That she insisted on learning it anyway.
Because she got taken for a fucking ride, because the angels are a ruse all along.
>Poor Gertrude.
Pic Related. It's your angel
>>337652647
P-Pingas?
>>337652652
>Implying Soulsbabbies aren't idiots who NEED a guide to find the fucking Asylum Demon
>>337652652
>Not getting Gaping dragons tail, extra loot boss armor merchant and even the upgrade flame for weaponsmith
No anon, YOU'RE the idiot for skipping anything
>>337652741
Because that's not the Deep dude....
The DEEP is a different thing.
Look at all of this:
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Deep+Gem
>Deep weapons inflict dark damage, but lose scaling effects.There is a darkness that lies beyond ken.
Compare
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Great+Deep+Soul
to
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Affinity
Note that the "Deep" spell is black with blue outline, while "Dark" stuff is black with white. Dark is officially Pygmy / Dark Soul stuff, just like Humanity from DS1 (Black with white highlights).
Compare to
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Soul+of+the+Deacons+of+the+Deep
Also blue around black.
The deep is explicitly a darkness that is different from humanity.
it's not just "Those fucking sewers below undead burgh."
>>337652772
shit man, every time i see those statues.
Jewsneks are the funniest shit.
>>337652741
You want me to believe that a shitty sewer that was described by the Blighttown Key as being afraid of Blighttown itself to be the infamous eldritch Deep of worship?
Let's do this.
>favorite boss
>favorite area
>favorite weapon
>favorite armor
>favorite track
>favoritegirl
>>337653047
The Deep comes from the depths, with whatevers at the bottom, where the gaping dragon came from in his boss arena at the bottom of the sewers being the real Deep.
You seem to think i have it confused with the Abyss, which i do not.
Now fuck off.
Not once did i confuse deep or dark.deep dark fantasies. Fuck you
>>337653047
>>337652741
In fact, look at Aldrich soul
"Soul of Aldrich,
One of the twisted souls, steeped in strength.
Use to acquire many souls, or transpose to extract its true strength.
When Aldrich ruminated on the fading of the fire, it inspired visions of a coming age of the deep sea.
He knew the path would be arduous, but he had no fear. He would devour the gods himself."
This refers to a "coming age of deep sea".
Sounds like "The Deep" to me...
>>337653047
The formatting of this post is annoying, just post anime tiddies if you want attention.
>>337653296
No, I refuse to believe you actually believe the Depths is the Deep. You're a fucking braindead fool if you actually believe that. The Depths were just named that because they were deep below the Burg. It's just a name to denote where they are.
You have to be trolling. You simply must.
>>337650597
>What drove Gwynevere to become Rosaria?
I want to know this too.
I also thought the "Church of the Deep" worshiped the Pigmy's soul, and The Abyss that sprang forth because of it.
>>337653069
Yes.
Essentially, and there have been threads about this.
The church of the deep doesnt worship the deep, its a holding ground for abombinations that pontiff later corrupted and released said abombinations from.
This is referenced by the braille tome you find there.
One can assume that gaping dragon may have also been kept at the church of the deep, or at least, its soul/ whatever caused the dragon to become the gaping dragon.
>>337653296
I didn't insinuate that you had it confused with the abyss, but it is -clearly- the same type of thing as the abyss. It is not just "some sewer below the burgh".
It's a "Darkness that lies beyond human ken"
It's a "a coming age of the deep sea."
I'm just saying it's not the location "The Depths". Maybe it's tied to what fucked Gaping up, he is referred to by: "Gaping Dragon, a distant, deformed descendant of the everlasting dragons."
So something clearly happened, but it wasn't just living in the sewers.
>>337650597
In what way is Rosaria confirmed to be Gwynevere?
Who is Aldrich anyways? Just some priest gone slimey?
I never understood the story behind Pontiff. What did he do to Irithyll and how does it link to Anal Rodeo?
WHO THE FUCK IS OCELOTTE?!
>>337653371
>Coming age of the deep sea.
Next From/Souls game confirmed for underwater?
>Bioshock, but more Medieval/Blood Farts
>>337650597
Oceiros is actually Logan from DS1. Think about it you can buy 'White Dragon Breath' with Oceiros' soul and if you killed Logan in DS1 you got 'White Dragon Breath' as well. The white dragon breath spell also states that "old Big Hat, who in his mad, disrobed state, made divine works such as this, his own." . Also, Logan was obsessed with dragons, so he turned himself in to one.
>>337653735
Well bloodborne has a LOT of ocean references. It's a very lovecrafian thing, but read a lot of the runes from Bloodborne. Tons talk about water and the ocean.
>>337653735
confirmed for space
>>337653441
The depths has the Deep below it.
Whatevers down there, fucked an actual dragon up, and turned it into a gaping, toothy monster, VERY SIMILAR to the things you see corrupted by "the deep" in DaS3.
You are a moron
>>337653461
Pontiff has the power that darklurker used to create shadow clones, and darklurker is a reincarnation of the four kings.
Pontiff sullyvahn must be channelling the power of the abyss
>>337653735
My theory is thatIt's Bloodborne. The usurpation of the fire ending is canon, it begins the age of dark, which leads to humanity slowly rebuilding and prospering for a time. Hundreds of years pass, new civilizations are built and Yharnam is born. Aldrich was right, the coming age of a deep sea came true, only it's not a sea of water, but of stars - the cosmos, and the kin.
>>337653861
Wait, actually? That looks fucking sick and atrocious at the same time.
And edgy as balls.
>>337652741
Leave your fucking headcannon at home, anon.
He comes from the depths of the sewer.
Depths =/= The Deep.
>>337650597
>What did Oceiros do to Ocelot that drove the Queen away?
Not even TO Ocelotte, he fucking became mini-me Seath and knocked her up with half-dragon shitbabby again. Then after he went nuts and the place fell apart she left, just like she did when Lordran went to shit.
>Why was Gertrude imprisoned?
Because she started angel worship, and worshiping anything that wasn't part of the recognized three pillars of rule was heretical, so they stuffed her in a cage where she proceeded to write the divine pillars miracle.
>what drove Gwynevere to become Rosaria
She's not Rosaria you cock
Rosaria, Dancer, and possibly Queen of Lothric if she ISN'T Gwynevere herself are all daughters/relatives/handmaidens of Gwynevere.
>Why is Pontiff such a fucboi?
Because he's a moron who thinks making a powergrab matters anymore in an era where everything is going to shit, just like Gwyndolin did way back when.
>>337653638
The Deep and the Abyss are not the same. At least I think not.
So far, we have 3 concepts of Darkness and no one really understand how any of them work.
There's the regular Darkness that arose from the Dark Soul the furtive Pygmy used to create humanity.
There's the Abyss, which lies beyond humanity and is a result of humans trying to harness and control the dark, same thing as the Chaos Flame was to the First Flame.
And then there's the Deep Dark. Which is a different concept entirely from the Abyss, even the spells look different.
Perhaps the DLC will explain more.
>>337653803
Oceiros isn't Logan.
White Dragon Breath:
"Emits crystal breath of Seath the Scaleless. Crystal breath has piercing qualities.
Seath's research seemed to strike a chord with old Big Hat who, in his mad, disrobed state, made divine works such as this, his own. Oceiros was no doubt edified by this."
Oceiros and Logan are explicitly referred to as two different people here.
>>337653638
I think the power of the deep is very clearly there, under the depths.
Depths being a path that leads to the real deep.
Also, i think theres a lot of stuff down there similar to the goop you see lying around aldritch's boss chamber.
The whole thing of the deep power fucking shit into toothy hungry monstrosities is a very common recurring theme here
>>337653803
>Oceiros is Logan
No, Logan is Logan. He's on top of the church off of Profaned Capital bonfire.
>>337654218
How in the hell could you possibly think that's Logan
>>337654054
Agreed.
Though I'm not certain "The Abyss" is different than Pygmy Darkness.
Although I haven't played AotA in a long time.
Deep is definitely something eldrich and grand though.
I was only saying it's not just a sewer with a shitty dragon in it.
>>337654254
The fact his name is Logan?
>>337653984
its not headcannon, if enemies in both games corrupted by the deep share the same exact design of being hungry toothy critters.
I did not say depths is the deep, but it contains the power of the deep for damn certain.
>>337654304
Oh and the fact that Obreck refers to him as "Big Hat Logan" when you give him the Scroll he drops.
I don't know another "Logan" from DS1.
>>337654182
fair point.
Deep = The Depths is a weak correlation.
Gaping Dragon wanting to eat fucking everything and Aldrich being a crazy man eating cannibal is a MUCH more interesting connection.
>>337654304
Please point out to me where it says his name is Logan, because all he is is just a court sorcerer for the Profaned Capital that happens to be a part of the magic school they set up that FOLLOWS the work that Logan put forth.
>>337654427
Aldrich is to Gaping what Logan was to Seath or CU to everlasting stone dragon
>>337653803
>lol this character with a completely different name is the same as this other character who existed thousands of years ago!
You're the worst kind of faggot.
>>337654437
>Remember him having a big hat when I fought him on the roof
>Watch a quick vid to make sure I'm not retarded
>I'm retarded
I retract my Logan statements.
So help me out here. What's the deal with Irithyll?
I mean there's tons of city we didn't see and explore in DaS1, look. It's under Anor Londo and everthing, I know the few districts of the Burg we trudged through wasn't the only shit. So was Irithyll there all along?
>>337654268
It is eldritch and grand.
When I said this
>>337652741
I am inferring that the depths contains the deep.
You just dont see it in game.
Whatever it is, it fucked up a real dragon though, considering you can get a tail cut from it. there is that cliff in the arena, and it just looks off into dark ess. you never see where the dragon crawled out from. who knows what other horrors are/were down there?
>>337654647
Chances are, Irithyll is relatively new. Think geographically, it is approximately directly in front of and below Aldrich's chamber, which is where you fought Fatty and ThinBoy. Now figure out what was there in DS1.
>>337654647
Not sure about that one. Anor Londo might be where it is just because it was the most major part of the land that the first lord of cinder owned, seeing as all the other lands converging around Lothric are owned by much more recent lords of cinder. Either that, or Pontiff knocked down much of the architecture that existed and put up what he wanted to put up in its place.
That and its been a long ass time since DS1.
If the real Dragons are immortal, and the Fire needs fuel, and the stronger something is the better it works as fuel, why didn't Gywn just stick an immortal Dragon in there to be burned forever instead of offing himself?
>>337653613
There is no evidence that the CoTD existed during or around the events of DS1. The only thing the Deep Tome describes is that the Way of White members occupying the Cathedral fell, with the exception of the Cathedral Knights who are tied to Lothric.
As for the Cathedral being a zoo of fuckways dildobeasts, that they are there is not evidence that they have always been there, nor that it is the purpose of the Cathedral.
>>337654320
Gaping Dragon isn't corrupted by the deep, though. Where does it say that?
He's just a dragon-descendant that got cleaved almost in half, but lived (his axe confirms this). Since then, his eternal hunger has transformed him into the beast you see (according to the artbook).
Aside from the connection in design, I don't see any other connection. I don't see anything else connecting Depths and Deep aside from the words being similar, but I'm sure they're not in Japanese. Just like the arguable translation issues with Sen's Fortress.
>>337654897
>>337654928
All right, so maybe because Anor Londo itself was so high up it survived, although not unscathed, whereas most of the land below crumbled? And was reconquered and named Lothric, aye?
>>337654984
dragons are immune to fire you fuck, they fucking breath that shit
>>337654427
What if Aldritch consumed gaping dragons soul to become aldritch?
Would really make sense.Demon's Souls Doujins explore this idea in depth.
So are the Deep and Dark two different things?
>>337655068
transitory lands
>>337654984
Eternal Dragons don't have souls.
>>337655087
If dragons breathe fire then why was the first flame so important.
>>337655193
Yes.
>>337655204
Wait what, really?
>>337655068
No, Lothric is FAR away from Anor Londo. But otherwise, sound conclusion all things considered.
Why Anry is still alive?
So she became harrow Quine?
>>337655205
who said it was important? gwyn was a coward and wouldnt let the first flame go out because he was scared of the dark
>>337654752
The Deep is considered to be the absolute lowest point of anything, where only the dregs of human souls come to rest. So I don't think its in a hole in a sewer that happened to have a massive swamp under it, which had the ash lake under that, and then lava and demons under it on the other side.
Maybe if that hole continued all the way down through ash lake and kept going, but I doubt that.
As it is, the Gaping Dragon was much more likely to have been fucked up by lack of light exposure, pollution and toxicity in the depths/blighttown, and malnutrition.
>>337655068
I don't think that land was conquered by Lothric, no. Aldrich's people seem to be the likely conquerors, though there probably wasn't much left there to conquer, besides Gwyndolin and Yorshka. Remember, the lands of the old LoCs converged ON Lothric, instead of being built around it presently.
>>337655249
ok
Thanks
>>337655204
Ancient dragon corpse in the dragon memory in 2 had a soul, or is that one not 'eternal'?
>Lothric is chosen of current cycle and can link the flame alone
Why we need other ashes for rekindle if one trap is enough?
>>337655301
Trevor?
>>337655260
yup, thats why you get weapons from their tails.
They have no boss souls.
>>337655478
burns x5 longer
>>337655478
He refused to do it, despite being bred and raised specifically to do it. The flame got desperate as it neared the end, so it began raising other Ashen ones.
>>337655260
As far as I am aware in the lore, they don't.
Black Dragon Kalameet and Gaping Dragon both specifically do not drop a soul.
Seath does, but the description points out it was a fragment of the Lord Soul given to him--
"Seath allied with Lord Gwyn and turned upon
the dragons, and for this he was awarded
Dukedom, embraced by the royalty, and given
a fragment of a great soul."
Furthermore, so much of the lore sets up that the Eternal Dragons are, well, eternal and that the birth of fire birthed the Souls.
I could be wrong, but the evidence seems to indicate this.
>>337655478
Every lord linked the fire once. I think the issue is that Lothric pussied out like a bitch and didn't burn himself alive like the others, which is why Yhorn, Aldrich and the Watchers are rezzed at the intro but not him and his brother.
I think.
I wonder something after playing 2 and playing 3 right now: How the shards of Manus know about they origins?
Those bitches konw since birth of people just create them? Also shouldnt they be non humans or at least mutated humans ?
Alo Karla best waifu
Does manus get a mention in ds3?
What about Aldia?
Only two characters I could care about.
>>337655473
The description on that souls reads "Use the dragon soul, created by those who peered into the essence of the soul, to acquire numerous souls, or to create something of great worth."
So the soul was created, likely in the same way that Seath's 'soul' was created.
>>337655506
>>337655639
Woah. Neat.
But wait, what happens when you turn yourself into a dragon? Do you lose your soul as your transformation progresses?
Or do you become a dragon with a soul like Seath?
>>337655780
Sadly no
And thank Fucking good, no.
>>337655798
You keep your soul, from as far as we know.
When you kill the 'dragon' in Dark Souls II, you find a Giant's Soul.
You just become more dragon-like. You're never a dragon in the way that the original Eternal Dragons were.
>>337655798
Seathe proves dragons can have souls. They just weren't made with them.
>>337655685
They're shards of the first human. While they can make their own humanity go wild and turn into monstrosities like Nashandra, Elana, or turn into whatever the fuck Nadalia turned into, ones who want to retain their humanity as it is can stay the same, like Alsanna. Karla probably did too if she was actually a child of Manus, but I don't think she was.
>>337655780
Not really and technically yes, if you count a lot of reaching on the whole 'first of the scholars' thing with the Soul Stream spell. Shame too, Aldia deserves to come back, as do a lot of things from 2.
>>337655910
>>337655894
Thanks.
>You're never a dragon in the way that the original Eternal Dragons were
Depressing.
>>337652283
>everyone did
Literally who did? Cause noone did. Speed runs, maybe. But only after actually playing the game and killing Gaping.
>>337652283
>Accidentally found that route my first time through the game
Thank Christ
>>337655315
I wouldnt doubt the dragon that crawled all the way up from the depths came from deep below even ash lake
>>337655315
While the tendency to eat everything is an interesting connection to make, I don't see any other connection between the two. Fun to hypothesize though.
>>337650597
My biggest question is
>what are the lords of cinder?
Why do we need to collect them before we can link the fire? We didn't need to do that in ds1? Why are those 5 guys so important?
>>337656717
The fire hasn't been linked in so long it needs WAY more power.
>>337656717
They're people who had enough strength of flame to link the fire. You're Unkindled, so you've got jack shit besides Embers, which is fleeting strength. You need all them to give up their strength of flame to let YOU link the flame, and the only reason you need all of them and they even got revived is because its crunch time and the flame is just about fucking dead. In DS1, the flame was dying out, yes, but it wasn't in nearly as dire straits as it is here since Gwyn was still keeping it going in some capacity.
>>337656717
in Das1 you had to go around collecting all the great soul fragments to recreate the first soul that Gwyn split. This is so you're strong enough to link the fire.
Same in Das2. Great soul fragments that were scattered.
In Das3 the Unkindled is going around collecting scraps. The great soul is long gone and burnt. Each and every time the fire is re-linked by a "chosen Undead", the fire burns for less and less time.
Das3 is you clinging to the very last remnants of the fire and attempting to keep the age of Dark at bay even for a tiny bit of time.
>>337656828
>>337656878
But the Soul of Cinder boss is explicitly the combined souls of those that linked the fire, including gwyn.
Why did the 5 loss of cinder get to not be a part of that?
>>337656717
>We didn't need to do that in ds1?
We didn't?
Wasn't that essentially filling the lordvessel with the souls of lords and then kill gwyn?
I thought the whole lords of cinder ritual was there as a ritual recreation of what we did in das1.
>>337657126
Oh, I guess that is what let's you into the kiln.
Fair enough. My point stand though. Why aren't they a part of the soul of cinder like all the rest?
>>337657121
Best guess is that the SoC is those who were burned completely away by the flame, like the Chosen Undead. After all, looking at Ludleth shows that he was very near to it when he was either retired from burning or someone else came to take his place.
>>337657228
They started NG+
Is there a lore reason for why I can't get Sulyvahn's set?
>>337655984
The Japanese translation of Soul Stream mentions Aldia by name.
>>337657326
I'm honestly hoping his story is somehow linked to the Darklurker from Das2 in the DLC. He is SO reminiscent of him it hurts.
>>337657273
They still have souls though. Gwyn explicitly hollowed after linking.
>>337657228
>Why aren't they a part of the soul of cinder like all the rest?
Why would they be? Soul of Cinder is a combination of all our characters from das1 and gwyn.
Maybe they have other lord souls or maybe the ritual just dictates powerful souls.
>>337655639
"Soul of Sinh the Dragon, who sleeps in the lowermost depths of this land."
might Shulva been close to Lordran? we don't go there physically, and the Drakeblood Knights confirm a distinct connection.
might Irithyll was once known as Eleum Loyce?
DaS3 refers to an oracle in the profane capital storyline, and the only oracle i know of was Alsanna.
"Crown of Wolnir, the Carthus conqueror.
Once upon a time, such things were bequeathed judiciously to each of the rightful lords, until Wolnir brought them to their knees, and ground their crowns to dust. Then the crowns became one, and Wolnir, the one High Lord."
he's obviously not the Bearer of the curse, but it's interesting if there's a connection to the crowns he gathered up.
now before any of you faggots go assblasting me, i'm just throwing ideas with a similar tone binding them. my headcanon is far from being organized.
>>337657394
No it doesn't.
>>337650597
>>337657507
I wouldn't look too far for das2 references.
Considering the dlc is not directed by miyazaki it seems fair to assume that we might get all the das2 stuff with the dlc.
I am looking forward to the souls of cincer equivalent which technically should be a combination out of manus, nashandra and the bearer of the curse.
>>337652283
first time no. every subsequent run yes. because fuck 10fps town.
>>337657648
>combination of manus and nashandra
You realize they're the same thing right?
>>337657791
Not exactly though. Nashandra is just a small part of manus' soul. My point is more that a boss fight should also involve something from manus. Since it works differently.
>>337657675
was Blighttown really that bad on console? I bought and played Das1 the first time ever on PC when Prepare to die Edition came out. My PC at the time was only using a gtx 670 and I got solid 30 FPS in Blighttown.
Is the Soul of Cinder supposed to be the chosen undead of DS1?
Seems awfully similar
>>337650881
Okay let's talk some fucking LORE.
These fuckers are VERY similar to Gaping dragon thanks to that wriggling teeth stomach, So here's some questions.
How long has the Pontiff existed?
Does the ring bring the look of dragons or abyss?
What IS the gaping dragon?
And WHY do they have the nearly exact same Teeth stomach?
>caring about Dark Souls lore
>ever
This shit should have stopped in 1 because now its just uninteresting dull shit like cycles cycles cycles and cycles
None of the endings fucking matter, whats the point in even going on if its just another cycle or age of dark? The whole marketing for "the fire fades" is such bullshit, it doesn't change fucking anything.
>>337657930
The gaping dragon became gaping because he was hungry right?
Like the stomach just said fuck this food going through my head bullshit I need to suck everything I can get right where I need it.
Could be that the pontiff beasts are the same shit but it could also be that the process of turning someone into an outrider knight (which I assume is the middle step before you turn into a complete beast) involves opening the rip cage somehow.
>>337657920
Is all the undead that have ever linked the flame. This includes gwyn as evident in phase 2.
Why the 5 lots of cinder weren't trapped in there isn't clear.
>>337655301
Because she's also a fucking Ashen one? You get stabbed, slammed, burned and lighting bolted to death a thousand times. You think a sword that absorbs your dark signs is gonna end it? She was just the carrier from the beginning. You're being taken on the ruse cruise.
>>337658145
>Why the 5 lots of cinder weren't trapped in there isn't clear.
Is the game saying somewhere that they all linked the flame?
>>337653964
Fan art, buddy
How would it feel to turn into one of Sulyvahn's beast?
>>337657895
i was kind of exaggerating. it struggles to maintain 30fps with frequent drops to around 10 fps. it's pretty disorienting. plus let's not forget how the camera fucks your ass in some parts of that area.
>>337658008
Well that's kinda the point, extending the flame just delays the inevitable.
Here's a question: Why does Horace want to kill you in Smoldering Lake?
Nothing up to that point in any quest line would indicate his turning.
Nor after.
>>337658287
Suffering, longing, depression, madness, and finally, acceptance.
>>337653861
This looks retarded.
Don't make Sci Fi if it's just going to be fantasy with terrible anime tropes everywhere.
>>337650881
I rather would like to know what these spiderthingies are that can curse you with every hit.
>>337658406
He hollowed nigga.
Same reason the crestfallen tried to kill you in 1 in new londo.
>>337658273
I figured as much, wanted confirmation since I figured it would be all over /v/, if true.
>>337658406
wasn't he in league with Yuria? she says her agent is with Anri before you "marry" her, so it seems odd that she's be talking about that old chameleoning hag, unless she follows them ever since they got to Lothric.
>>337658243
Who's they? Lords of cinder? Yeah, Ludeth says that he aimed to link the fire and in doing so became a lord of cinder. In fact if you kill him and reload the nexus you catch him sleeping and he talks in his sleep about his dream. About how much the fire hurts and he begs it to stop.
In fact. It makes me wonder if he really chose to do. Sounds almost like he was forced.
Alright but i want to fucking know what kind of a beast the ring that Ludleth was wearing was transposed from.
Because all i can think of is the Demon Souls Ancient One, It's the only thing i can think of that's ever referred to as a "Devourer of Souls"
>>337658287
I was hoping the rings would have some sort of debuff. Like make the rings more powerful, but make your hits require more stamina as you keep attacking. Or Make it so your armor/damage reduction is drastically reduced when absorbing HP per hit etc.
Something to actually show the madness those rings cause. Those alligator wolf things are just soldiers who wore one of those rings into battle and lost their sanity. Says right in the description that those who stared into the ring became unstoppable in battle and the rings were only given to soldiers or knights going to far away lands.
>There are people in this thread that believe Yuria was evil
>There are people in this thread that believe Yuria killed Yoel
>There are people in this thread that don't want to help Yuria accomplish her dream of accomplishing your dream of ruling humanity
>>337658612
I can see the Soulfeeder being a DLC fight.
>inb4 it actually grows stronger by eating your bloodstain
>>337658406
both of them are hollowed already
horace probably lost his shit too much when he lost anri
if you kill horace real early
anri just gives up from being hostile and drops on his/her knees
>>337658593
read his armor set
horace and anri both escaped the pontiff when they were kids
horace is a real bro until he hollowed
>>337658604
>In fact if you kill him and reload the nexus you catch him sleeping and he talks in his sleep about his dream. About how much the fire hurts and he begs it to stop.
Cool shit.
So yeah I guess we just didn't leave after linking the fire, maybe?
>>337658670
They were probably given to people strong enough to pose a threat to the Pontiff or The ones that were sent away was given the ring to transform and wreck havock at that designated location.
I wouldnt put it past the Pontiff to think this shit trough.
>>337658736
>really petite character
>lets give her thighs that are as wide as the actual character
Every time with these pictures it is my dick and my autism having a fight.
>>337657326
there are a bunch of finished sets in the game data that are just not available in game and I think that his are one of them.
why does Oceiros show the same growths on his back as the giant, dead, four armed Ghru in Izalith's ruins?
LITERALLY DID NOTHING WRONG
>>337658986
Well, we don't know how thicc her thighs actually are. Dress kind of conceals it
How do you write braille script with ink?
>>337658736
I know she didn't kill Yoel. There is no way. I didn't get all 5 free levels from him before progressing to a certain part of the game. I got back after murdering poise break Legion and he dead. Yuria nowhere to be found. I had no problems helping her. The world needs an age of Dark. The age of Dark is only feared by the old Gods because their rule would end. Age of dark is needed in equal measure as the age of fire. Otherwise we reach the point we're at now where the age of Dark is LONG over due.
Beat waifu my ass.
>>337659191
braille is only read by the blind
but written by people with eyes
>>337658994
>>337657326
http://imgur.com/a/olgvn#prALAxS
there's so much shit from DaS2 that didn't get in the final cut, it makes me mad.
that vangarian armor description fills me with dreams.
>>337659285
woah who dat
>>337658898
that's what I mean. The description says that the rings were only given to knights going to far away lands. Pontiff knew exactly what havoc those rings would wreak on foreign lands.
while a monster, he was smart.
>>337651806
>the primordial serpents can be seen as angelic statues
>gertrude was visited by an angel but is not one herself - the feather imagery most certainly comes from her and not the angels themselves
>let's assume this angel is frampt
>frampt basically kickstarts a dragon-worshipping religion
but why?
>>337659214
wonder who's behind this post
>>337659320
Yes, but it works by touching the bumps in the pages.
How do you make bumps in the pages with medieval technology?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwjUe4B_g7M
Everyone who wants to discuss lore has to first watch this video. This guy literally destroyed every single theory that Vaatishit came up with
>>337659191
depending on the paper it'd be obviously raised and you could feel it
>>337659285
But Kaathe did nothing wrong
>>337659326
That's everyone's favorite degenerate Yuria.
Your waifu fucks snakes anon.
>>337659385
maybe the ink is made with wax
they dry up and leave bumps
>>337659432
I get that, I just dont know when this scene triggers
>>337658736
Best girl
>>337659514
it happens when you kill her sometimes
Did they rebuild New Londo after the events of DS1 and over time it just became known as Londo? Is that where the pilgrims come from?
>>337659334
To draw the attention of the masses away from the Primordial Serpents of course, If the "angel" hadnt showed up, People would've started to wonder were shit came from, Who controlled things yada yada. Some serpents just like to stay in the dark.
>>337659514
When you kill her, specifically for me right after I healed the sigil.
>>337659514
When you kill before finishing her questline. Once you do, she just begs you to stop attacking and never retaliates
>>337659385
you do realize braille isn't new tech? In our world, it was established in 1809. DaS is in a world of gods, old beings, eternal dragons, and other such things. What's so hard to believe they had braille?
Speaking of braille, why did they have it so you can make that nun lady a firekeeper by buying all her good miracles, but nothing else? Great a firekeeper that is out of the way and provides nothing special.
>>337659618
>>337659617
>>337659550
holy fuck
wait hold up maybe I need to go back a little but how the fuck does she know kaathe?
>>337659385
it isn't necessarily braille as we know it, ancient writing always had bumps, and ifyou train long enough, you could read them just by touch.
the most ancient writing i can think of now is Sumerian, just google bro.
>>337659758
She probably works for him.
>>337659758
he probably told her how to bring about the age of dark or some shit, that's my guess
considering that's what he wanted in 1
>>337659758
you see statues of them sometime, depicted as angels, so obviously they are well known.
>>337659758
Because she's obviously a giant snake fucker.
We don't know WHY she's working with Kaathe, but it's definitely something with the angels and convincing the brothers to not link the flame.
Link, Betray, or Ursurp it doesn't matter to them. They want the cycle to continue for some reason.
>>337659758
What the fuck do you think LONDOR is?
Remember any place in dark souls 1 sounding similar?
There were two. And you did find anor londo in das3. So it is probably the other one.
>>337659334
For the lulz of starting a civil war between the knights in lothric
>>337659758
She works for him and is without a doubt a sign that the darkwraiths are alive and kicking?
You play the fool AGAIN in dark souls 3 when you go for the "Dark Lord" ending, Played right into their hands like the fucking dog you are.
>>337659758
the last place we saw Kaathe was in the Abyss, found in the flooded city of New Londo - Kaathe incited the darkwraith problem and it can be assumed he was either trapped there or decided to wait there
following the events of Dark Souls 1 - in which any ending is feasible considering the cycling ages of fire and dark - he used his presence and influence to make the kingdom of Londor from the ruins of New Londo
Yuria lived in this kingdom - it is unknown entirely what Londor is like outside of having a very cloak-and-agger church - and is sent to Firelink Shrine as an agent of kaathe as it becomes apparent that the fire may yet be linked again
she is just a pawn
>>337659951
>Londor is a massive water park
BEST KINGDOM
BEST GIRL
FUCK EVERYTHING ELSE
>>337659951
Don't forget, Londor is literally a civilization of hollows.
Dem motherfuckers are evil as fuckkkk.
>>337659619
gameplay purposes, if you make her a firekeeper and kill the original one, you can still level up without going to a NG+ cycle.
Aldrich = Nito
Abyss Watchers = 4 Kings
Yhorm = Bed of Chaos
Prince Lothric = Seath
Ludleth = Gwyn
>>337659910
>>337659887
>>337659879
>>337659860
>>337659951
>>337660003
>>337660028
why do the snake want to make the dark age I dont get what they get out of it
fucking cryptic ass game
>>337660093
>prince lothric is seath
>when fucking OCIEROUS EXISTS
>>337660146
So no one can see their Jew noses
>>337660093
Do you mean reincarnations like 2? If so I agree.
Also
>Lotric is Seath
>He took on a curse (no scales) to help his dying brother (gwyn)
How the fuck did I not see this before?
>>337660070
nope. You can't kill the original firekeeper. If you kill her, she asks "What's wrong?!" and will respawn if you warp out of and into the the shrine again.
>>337660146
This is basically Kaathe
>>337660146
We dunno. And they don't necessarily want an age of dark or fire (Frampton being at the dark lord ending).
They just want this particular cycle to keep going for some reason.
>>337660146
there's several possibilities
one is that frampt and kaathe are trying to foil each other and their conflict of interests has caused the cycle (frampt succeeds in having someone link the fire either personally or through influence, kaathe introduces the dark age by manipulating a potential candidate)
the other is that they are working together to keep a cycle of fire and dark, for fear of what may come to exist in the absence of either
>>337660295
in one of the endings, you can kill her to trigger a different cutscene.
>>337660146
that's the biggest question. Since Das1. All we know is they're "Primordial Serpents" and that they've been around for as long as the original Gods. Why they want the age of dark, and what the age of dark will TRULY bring is unknown.
>>337660093
>Aldrich = Nito
Not at all. Maybe he ate Nito but aldrich is essentially lovecraftian kirby
>Abyss Watchers = 4 Kings
What? If anything they have the closes relation to the dark souls and to manus through artorias.
>>337660378
What if that alternative to fire and dark is The Deep?
>>337659325
Literally the same description from DS2 though
>>337659619
>>337660070
She's also the sign that Firekeepers are being prepared en masse for all the linking of the flame, Preparing yet again to assist the one who links the flame, Reason it all needs to be good miracles is because her Visions of the Linking of the Fire must be of ONLY the linking, And not the age of dark.
When she reffers to "Little Creatures, Nibbling at my flesh" It's the goose bumps she's getting from the occasional visions of the age of dark.
>>337660154
I think it's more likely that Oceiros is some incarnation of Logan as he shared the same obsession with dragons as Logan and you get white dragon breath from his soul. They also share the same staff.
Dragon =/= Lord Soul.
>>337660531
>we don't talk about that
DELETE THIS
>>337659325
im be pissed if this shit makes it in only if you get dlc.
>>337660549
i see no problem with that.
>>337660394
that I know but it's too circumstantial. "Let's give the player a possible chance of another firekeeper in the CHANCE they choose to off the original"
>>337660570
That much I know but in the grand scheme of things, what does it mean? Why give the player the opportunity to get another firekeeper? Just more lore building? Maybe she'll play an important role in the DLC?
This being the Last DaS, I'm hoping they solve a lot of questions.
>>337660531
Man I don't want even to go anywhere near the deep. That is where all the lovecraft shit hides.
Lets keep that shit in Bloodborne. It triggers me too much.
New Londo DLC confirmed.
>>337660773
I think her quest line is just to show the making of a fire keeper, How they must come to be and how heavily protected they are, Going to the point that sealing them away from EVERYTHING is a preferable option.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9dNrmGD7mU
best track in the game imo
>>337660928
>literally Saurons hammer
fucking From
>>337660378
>the dragons only knew grey, and came to fear the age of fire
>the gods only knew fire, and came to fear the age of dark
>the humans have known both, but endure regardless
>the serpents have known both the grey, the fire, and the dark
What are they afraid of?
>>337660985
that's true. I always did wonder what made a fire keeper. Like I said though, I still hope she has some type of major role to play.
>>337660928
what is that from? It's not even in the wiki. One of the hidden game items buried in the code?
>>337661169
It's a mace though.
>>337661151
https://youtu.be/tFRaZs6ri7s
Track always gets me emotional, I didn't want to kill them.
>>337661173
but the gods also knew what the gray-times were like. they found the fire in the gray and that's what made them cool kids
but the serpents are still in the know of things. who's to say they weren't doing something else in the age of dragons? there's clearly some sort of society/civilization structure given that they have the capability to exclude a being such as Seath the Scaleless
hell i'll bet you frampt or kaathe was the one who pushed Seath to betrayal
>>337661173
>>337661341
WHERE DID THE FUCKING LORD SOULS AND DARK SOUL COME FROM IN THE FIRST PLACE
FUCKING SERPENTS FUCK OFF
>>337661457
Dark Souls big bang
Were did our Universe come from?
>>337660985
No dipshit, she was sealed away in the tower because eygon took her to become a firekeeper but she couldn't because she is tainted. She's locked away because she's a failure and eygon's a dick for doing it seeing as how he was going to kill her anyways.
>>337661525
>dipshit
why the hostility tho, you'd do well to grow as a person.
>>337660378
>we'll never know because DS3 was the last game in the series
fuck so many things left unanswered
>>337661609
I dunno I'm grumpy, sorry. Games been on all day and not a single autosummon. I'll admit I'm getting butthurt about it.
>>337661683
There will be a fourth one just believe in meme magic.
>>337661525
Then i wanna ask you why he goes and offs himself when her task is completed? Or why he tries to take her away if you buy dark miracles from her? Because he could've easily killed her at any point, But he didnt, Because it's his fucking mission to keep her safe until the task is completed.
>>337650597
>What did Oceiros do to Ocelot that drove the Queen away?
>What drove Gwynevere to become Rosaria?
Same thing,Ocelotte was stillborn as a hollow. Queen, who has the same relation to Gwynevere as Rosaria (i.e. can be the tittymonster herself or some descendant of her) has turned into "mother of rebirth" because she seeked ways to revive her lost baby. Cathedral of the Deep was initially a monument to the King's grief, there are even statues of a winged dude who looks like he's crying, holding "nothing" in his hands there. This pose is eerily similar to Oceiros both during the first phase of the bossfight and on the achievement art. It explains the cries during Oceiros fight too, the child is a never aging little undead shit. Invisble because half-dragons and shit.
>>337661683
DLC is basically garunteed
>>337661827
Yeah but miyazaki is not attached.
So who gives a fuck?
So considering how some of the corpses in demon ruins and oceiros looks, can we confirm that Bloodborne is part of the souls lore now?
>>337661769
because he cares about her
all of eygon's interactions from the moment he realizes you opened her cage is him trying to act like he doesn't give a shit
but if he didn't give a shit, why would he keep showing up to firelink and making sure she's alirght?
i assume he kills himself because of the guilt of being a humongous asshole towards her. a sense of letting her down because, ultimately, a complete stranger helped her become who she was meant to be
>>337661961
I just assumed irina offed the fucker for all the torment he's caused. I mean she was already tainted and couldn't be a firekeeper and why you can't give her the eyes.
>>337661961
and the reason he takes her away is that when she's reading the miracles of the dark and the deep, she goes a little crazy with fear and despair at understanding the darkness
eygon takes her away because he loves her and has had enough of you, the cunt who is making her read these spooky stories so he can fight better
it can be assumed that the effect of reading dark/deep miracles is the same feeling that our firekeeper gets when you give her the eyes and she sees the dark for the first time
>>337661961
>>337662332
>eygon just wants to protect that smile
Why, anon. I didn't want to know this feel.
>>337661151
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIX_-AMuAhY
1:47 is great shame this was probably the least memorable boss in the whole game
The Lothric Castle itself is Logan. If you take aerial shot from above, you can see the map form his face.
Seath and Gwynevere become jealous of Big Hat Logan during DS1. The game assumes you met with Logan right after you get to meet Seath, and thats why Seath has this slighty blueish hue, because when you mix Gwyn's golden soul with green, you get blue. And that green you see is his envy.
At the end of DS2, Seath and his wife Gwynevere captured Logan and turned him into Lothric Castle, on the exact same spot where you find him the last time on DS1. Seath then used his Moonlight Butterflies to form Twin Sages. You can see the Twin Sages looking remarkably similar to Logan, but thats just a trick Seath pulled by giving his minions hats. Fooled me first time, till I realised they had the same move set from butterflies, they just couldn't fly becouse of the hats keeping them down.
It is likely Seath used the Transformation Kiln to do all of this, since the Kiln can be found at the Rotted Great Tree boss, that has also been transformed from witch of Izalith to a tree. It also explains why we didn't see any other Twin Sages, since the Moonlight Butterfly cocoons hanging from the Great Tree have rotted.
Its kind of interesting how Nito, after having never known Seath before, is now against Seath on DS3. You can find Nito's new skull lair right below the Rotted Great Tree, from where he rotted the tree and stopped one of the witches from becoming the new Demon King. Theres also an NPC thats wearing the remains of one of the hats ment for the butterflies over his armor. Its possible that he is actually Nito in disguise, since you can see all the skulls there that didn't quite fit in the armor with him.
The armor Nito is wearing is also reference to the Paladin that guarded Nito in DS1. Its the little things From does for their games.
Hopefully the DLC we get is going to explain what happened to the rest of Nito's men and why is he going against Seath the Scales.
>>337657228
My guess is that Ludleth, the Watchers, Aldrich, and Yorm were all had their ages one after another, so their ashes can be revived in full physical form. Anyone earlier than them goes to the Soul of Cinder, who is basically scraps. Strong scraps, but not ideal.
>>337662417
>>337662332
>>337661961
He's so fucking mad at you when she becomes tained because of the promise Irina speaks of when you touch her while wearing Eygons Gloves, She tells you to kill her, So they knew the day might come when she becomes corrupt.
>>337654054
Similarly there with fire, you fire that rose from the first flame, and the chaos flame that came from Izalith.
So So we have the Fire and dark, and Chaos and the abyss. But then we have the deep which has no correlation, all we know it is a "holy" land of sorts, in Dark souls 3 the two IMO most important things in understanding what the Deep is
Human dregs:
>Dregs are the heaviest things within the human body, and will sink to the lowest depths imaginable
And the spell Great Deep Soul
>Archdeacon McDonnell, a sorcerer himself, delighted in the cathedral's stagnating souls. For him, they represented the glorious bedrock of this world.
My guess that the Deep is most likely the origin point of man or the world itself, a place that later became corrupted by whaterever found it
>>337662879
>corrupt a girl, ntr the guy, then kill the guy and then the girl fooling her into thinking you were the nice guy
So, what's Rosaria's deal? The hell is she? You go and meet this fucking creep cuddling with some horrendous beast that accepts shit that you get by murdering other people.
>>337663485
Just a maiden that was Blessed with power by Gwynevere
>>337661878
He turned the entire game into DaS1 fanservice. If he's out of the picture, we might actually get something interesting.
In the end you have the option to steal the fire or something, and then you can kill the firekeeper or leave the flame with her. What would be the purpose of each choice? Can't say I understood that shit.
Dima is Nick Valentine's brother and the endings are to replace the children of atom leader with a synth, nuke Far Harbor or the children, or kill DIMA. Red death is a mirelurk. Far Harbor DLC ending.
>>337661878
source?
>>337653204
>Soul of Cinder
>Kiln of the First Flame
>Firelink Sword
>Firelink Set
>Soul of Cinder
>Yuria of
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>>337665267
Soul of Cinder please stop posting here. No one wants you on this board.
