What was the purpose of him changing like this?
To make us think the game would be good.
I fucking hate you, Kojima.
Looks cool for a trailer.
>peace walker
>tiger stripes
>>337650592
To make you buy the game.
>>337650592
That skullface bit at the end really fooled the hell out of me
>MFW Pre release I thought Skullface and Big Boss were the same entity or at least Big Boss was losing his mind due to the brain damage caused by the horn.
>>337650592
To show off future DLC Outfits
This was so bullshit. The Phantom Pain never ends... why this game was so fucking unfinished and letdown? Why are we still here? Just to suffer? WHY? I loved the gameplay, but story was ABSOLUTE garbage.
Ground Zeroes, hospital scene and shining lights were great, but the rest of the story is SHIT.
And I hate chapter 2 very, very much.
>>337651551
You know why hospital scene was good?
Because of linear gameplay.
MGS is about SET-PIECES
Not VAST OPEN LANDSCAPE
>>337651551
cool your autism
we agree, but you got to let it go
>>337651257
We all did anon. We all did.
>>337650592
The first part is to fool the viewer into thinking the character they played as from MGS3 to Peace Walker to Ground Zeroes and finally in V is the same character. He is not.
Lastly, it shows his fate. The explosive fireball and visible incineration of his flesh is when Venom Snake is killed at the hands of Solid Snake in Operation Intrude, Metal Gear 1. The following change is him as a corpse, blue and gray decayed flesh.
It shows you the character's fate while masking the truth that you are not who you think you are.
mgs meme thread.
>>337650592
To make me want to kill myself due to disappointment and frustration
>>337650592
>tfw we never got to see the scorched face before Skullface's
>>337651349
Pretty much this.
>>337651551
>The Phantom Pain never ends
>Game is literally unfinished, meaning it doesn't have a proper ending
Like pottery
>>337653631
I'm pretty sure they just used the texture from the Skulls. Apply the texture to BB's head + null out his hair and beard.
>>337654464
Oh they're like that underneath their mask ? No lips ?
Im holding out for a Phantom of the First Sin year one edition for 4k consoles only with improved free roam enemy activity and difficulty. E3 please
we got cheaped out of the best headband for the shitty kind
>>337654830
I think so, yeah.
>>337654951
Too bad we never get to see that either...
>>337655130
When they teleport in, you can see what I'm talking about. I haven't looked at the textures to see if they're exactly the same, but I don't know why they'd make completely new assets just for two seconds of the trailer.
Then again, I'm pretty sure Snake's MGS3/PW textures are different, and that bandana is definitely not in the game, so who knows :\
how much of a fucking loser are you if you're still upset a video game didn't meat you expectations. like holy shit what decisions in life made you end up like that?
>>337650956
Good thing it was good then.
>>337650592
Simbolic scene that shows how he ultimately becomes the same person he hunted down and blamed for his suffering and loss
It's not a big surprise, really
>>337655360
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
It can turn things that were just "that's pretty cool"
Into "that was the greatest thing in gaming"
>>337651868
Oh damn youre right so the one at the end isn't skullface it's just venoms corpse?
>>337655789
>>337651868
It's Skullface. Notice the lack of horn.
>>337655526
still shilling this meme
>Got to fight Burning Man
>Got to fight Liquid in Hand-to-Hand
>Didn't get to fight Skull Face hand-to-hand that ended in a stalemate
>Didn't get to fight Skull Face hand-to-hand while he uses Psycho Mantis to control Burning Man like a fucking stand, where you have to either go for Burning Man first while dodging Skull Face until you put him out of commission for a bit to focus on SF, or attempt to focus on SF while dodging Burning Man which is the harder route
>>337656080
>Skull Face w/ MOF as his stand
fuck yesssss that'd be so cool
>>337650592
What's the first snake supposed to be? Portable Ops? I thought that wasn't cannon. Is it end game MGS3?
>>337656261
Probably Peace Walker.
>>337655789
no it is Skull Face. it's foreshadowing what would happen if Venom gave in to his thirst for revenge like Skull Face did.
>>337656261
MGS3 w\ sneaking suit.
>>337656261
MGS3 Naked Snake in the sneaking suit. They probably used that instead of the NS fatigues to stand out more from PW Snake.
>>337656261
there's an optional sneaking suit in Snake Eater you can only find during like the last quarter of the game
>>337656383
No, that's Demon Snake. Skull Face was there to show how similar he is to Big Boss.
>there will never be an actual game about the downfall of Big Boss
Did anyone else notice how Skullface has no physical appearance in the game when Psycho Mantis isn't around? Almost all of his scenes have Mantis preceding him, and the ones that don't have him appear very shortly afterward.
>>337656632
That was Peace Walker >:V
>>337656680
>>:V
just die
>>337656591
tripfag pls shitpost somewhere else
>>337656632
That was Peace Walker.
>>337656754
>:V
>>337656080
>The villain who wanted to infect the world with a bacteria that would stop people from speaking their language doesn't have a boss fight
>Instead he takes you on a tour in his 4x4 and gives you a villain speech
>There's a long pause of silence filled by one of the best themes of all time, wasted just like that
>Venom doesn't even get to say a word
What in the world was Kojima thinking
>>337656740
Ok.
>>337656804
>bacteria
YOU FUCKED UP.
>>337656804
Kojima was giving you the phantom pain through unfinished conversations. Isn't it deep?
Isn't it?
i still watch the trailers and then try to forget the actual game exists
>>337656804
Venom not talking was the only good part of that. Skull Face wanted the full package fight with Big Boss. the banter, the "you monster, i'll stop you!" hero bullshit and Venom completely denied him of that before he gets crushed by a steel beam and killed by the biggest beta pussy bitch in the whole series.
>>337655874
>>337656383
Pay close attention to the spot where the horn was. The flesh there looks all kinds of fucked up compared to the other side of his head. It's Venom Snake's corpse, but it's made to look like Skull Face for reasons.
It's only logical when you view this transition cutscene as a sequential timeline shift.
To mislead you into thinking that this game would mark Big Boss's transition from a man who has an army of mercenaries because fighting gives them purpose to a man who creates conflict using deplorable methods because it's the only way he can get it up. You know, the only reason this game would have had a right to exist.
>Remember when the Nuclear Trailer dropped and the Garbage one too and we all thought we were bearing witness to what would be the greatest game of all time?
>tfw
WISH WE COULD TURN BACK TIME TO THE GOOD OLD DAYS.
>>337656632
>all these people talking about PW or V
>not mentioning Snake Eater
>>337651551
Said everything.
>>337656839
Parasite
I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote bacteria instead
>>337657248
Exactly, the ending of Snake Eater was the fall of Big Boss: That hateful glare he gives the president before being forced to shake his hand was all we needed.
>>337657152
It's Skull Face's head. You can even see his right eye when the scene changes to him.
PW the donwfall of BB? Niggers please.
It's like you say that Venom is "A DEMON" in V, when he is like Jesus.
>>337656754
i don't think you understand what a downfall is
>>337657216
everyone's fantheory was better than what we ultimately got.
>>337657405
Boss in Peace Walker...
>raised a private army in international waters free of legal jurisdiction.
>fought in proxy wars on whatever side would pay him, including the Sandinistas who were notorious for their brutal tactics.
>hired at least one child into his private army
>used the funds from the conflicts to fund his own nuclear weapons program.
That's basically what he did in Metal Gear 2, give or take a detail or two.
And yeah, Venom being soldier Jesus was the point: He was the Big Boss that all of the characters spoke about in such high regard, because the real Big Boss never actually mattered. The man, Jack, was just a figurehead.
Paz should have lived.
Fuck Kojima.
>>337658058
i thought Chico dying offscreen was fucked up too. at least Strangelove got a tape of her death.
>>337658118
Yea, that made me upset too. Chico only being mentioned in the tapes. All the resources they used in GZ for him, to just have him die off screen.
What a waste.
>>337658118
he didn't die offscreen though he literally died at the moment of the blast in GZ. We know when he died and we were right there when it happened. Would you have preferred the camera to zoom in on his face as its caved in by the impact of the blast?
>>337657374
Yump you're right damn dude. Tfw you start looking everywhere in the phantom pain for some ounce of deep shit so that it can be another mgs2
>>337658570
except the tapes say he died in the hospital you mongloid
Why didn't they just remake Mg 1 and 2. Cum fuck
>>337656983
That's what I hate about this game. Because people keep on saying that it's supposed to unfinished to leave a phantom pain, but just because that technically makes sense it doesn't mean that the story is now not total shit
Why doesn't the game have a NG+ option? Seriously think about it, it would be perfect for mgsv. Is there a way to bring this to Konami's attention or some shit?
>>337658707
No, A tape with either Ocelot or Miller explains that Chico died in the helicopter.
>>337658570
why should we witness any character's death
why should any character's death be setup to have an emotional impact
The Boss should have just died offscreen, Snake walks to the plane and tells EVA "oh btw i killed the boss lol"
>>337658775
no
have fun being retarded tho
>>337658118
Honestly, I'm starting to think that Chico was supposed to be Venom Snake, but they resorted to the character creator when the deadline drew near.
>>337651551
Because MGS stories were ever good.
>>337658871
there's all kinds of shit they seemed to change at the last minute
i thought for sure they were going to make Chico into Decoy Octopus. it was pretty fitting, after the GZ mindbreak it was pretty clear Chico hated himself and would rather be anyone else.
>>337658843
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ4w0BbfziM
And your evidence?
>>337656632
I don't think it's actually necessary.
Like, I'm fine with PW and V existing and I think they're OK, but all I need to know about BB's downfall is in 3.
That one scene where he refused to shake the President's hand? That's enough. The ending of 3 alone is enough to give context and justify all of BB's action until MG1.
>>337659031
Chico being Decoy Octopus would make perfect sense. We'd gt a full arc for that character, an explanation as to how Octopus got the facial disfigurement, and why Octopus was in the "sons of Big Boss"; Decoy was the only member of Foxhound in MGS1 who had no tie to Big Boss.
>>337658881
Let's end this meme, mgs has one of the best and most interesting stories in vidya.
What could happen with MGS6? Apparently it's happening
>>337659291
Alright so you've never read a book.
>>337659412
mechanically it's going to be a cheap regurgitation of MGSV with base management, developing weapons and items, and fultoning enemies. it's probably not going to be another open world game which could be nice. i have no hope for the story though. anytime anyone other than Kojima is giving the reigns the story is almost always fucking boring. (Portable Ops, Ac!d)
for all his faults at least Kojima knows how to keep an audience invested.
>>337659468
>in vidya
>>337659468
He specifically compared it to video games only. That's pretty reasonable.
>>337659468
>in vidya
>never read a book
>a book
What are you stupid or something?
>>337659412
MGS6 will probably be a reboot.
>>337659547
>>337659554
>>337659627
>if i compare shit to shit this turd smells best
>>337659658
i thought for sure MGSV was going to have some over the top sci-fi elements like time travel or alternate dimensions. MGSV was going to establish this idea by being the results of time travel or something so after Kojima was done Konami could keep making games without fucking up "his" timeline. (anymore than he already had anyway)
>>337659539
I watched portable ops online and it didn't seem to bad. You're right though, I think I'm more excited for whatever Kojima has in store next but I'm still curious because I love MGS.
>>337659784
yeah? why would you compare shit to anything but other shit?
>>337659784
Fuck off razorfist.
>>337659784
>if I tard out after being corrected, people will think I'm cool!
>>337659114
Out. Fucking. Skilled.
>>337659412
It's going to be either a reboot or a remake of another game like MG1-MG2
Consider that it will flop like crazy and probably compromise their future MGS games if they try to go on with a serious new project without Kojima's direction (but NOT writing) so they're not left with a lot of optionsHIT THE LEVER
>>337659539
It'll be that, but with the rest of the script from mgs5. They'll squeeze two more games out of mgs5's script.
>you will see big boss become a demon
>jk big boss dindu nuffin
>>337659878
>if i tripfag while making retarded statements people will think I'm cool!
>>337659941
Except sell out like the useless coward he is.
>>337659824
it's not really a good sign when the first non-Kojima MGS effort is basically a regurgitation of the Shadow Moses incident almost verbatim
they couldn't even come up with an original ninja character so they ruined Gray Fox's backstory
>>337659941
>>337659982
the biggest problem is the Venom thing was Zero's plan all along. so it's just Jack going along with Zero's crazy schemes like usual. it really would have come full circle if Jack was the one who sanctioned it.
>>337660067
That bothered me too. It's like snake never gets to do shit on his own terms.Except die.
>>337659412
Pachinko.
>>337660020
DAVID
DID I EVER TELL YOU ABOUT THE TIME I WAS A NINJA IN CENTRAL AMERICA AND BASICALLY DID ALL THIS SAME SHIT WITH YOUR FATHER, THE WAR CRIMINAL BIG BOSS
HE WAS A GOOD FRIEND
>>337660067
Wasn't that the point of Boss since Snake Eater?Zero just built up Jack as this legendary hero to be used as a propaganda figure, when in reality he wasn't really that important.
This game was and will be the most dissapointing shit i've ever witnessed
Suck a dick, Kojima
>TPP will NEVER be good
Those trailers were so great, kill me
>>337660067
Well he did just accept it and let all those people die for him. Also his ideologies totally differ from zeroes and in the end he does just do his interpretation of the bosses will.
>>337659982
There was no explanation, no rationale for it, granted Kojima turns established good characters into villains all the time, but not major protagonists.
But nope, there is no reasoning for Big Boss to suddenly decide child soldiers and eternal warfare are great ideas, it just happened overnight apparently.
What a shitty way to end the series.
>>337659412
the next metal gear will be in a casino.
Metal Gear Slotted: Jackpots of the Patriots
>>337660227
>>337660289
Fuck off, easily one of the best games of 2015. But every thread we have to hear the reddit tier memers.
>whhhyyyy its a lieee, trailers so much better !!! XD
>>337660369
>But nope, there is no reasoning for Big Boss to suddenly decide child soldiers and eternal warfare are great ideas, it just happened overnight apparently.
But that's wrong, the problem is the series is actually subtle and people completely miss it. Big Boss, Zero, and Skull Face all had different interpretations of the Boss' will. Big Boss of course needs to feed the flames of war and shit, you can figure this all out from tapes and exposition. It's all there.
Even after all this time, I have mixed feelings about the game. I genuinely enjoyed it and thought it was a great game despite the horrible repetitiveness, but at the same time I'm so fucking disappointed that we didn't get a better story and that what we did get was unfinished as fuck. Skullface was probably what I was most disappointed with. Some random nigga that apparently has been watching you suddenly comes in and fucks everything up for everyone and you have no idea who he is? For an earlier game, I probably wouldn't have nitpicked about this, but it's the last game in the series. Make him someone relevant to the rest of the series instead of saying "DIS GUY WAS WATCHIN U IN 3 IN LE CIA LMAO."
>>337660689
It makes sense though cause why would you know who skullface is before? I mean snake is just another guy to Zero who is working under him. No need for him to know Skull Face. Up until he poisoned zero and blew up snakes shit he was just another man working for zero.
>>337660689
the thing is MGS4 was originally meant to be the series' sendoff. it was a game made for the fans, crammed with as much fanservice as he could manage.
MGSV isn't meant to be a sendoff for the series, that's just Konami banking on Kojima claiming he was done with the franchise so they wanted to milk this as the "conclusion" or whatever. if anything it's Kojima's personal sendoff to the series, with him pretty much doing whatever he wants and experimenting with elements he personally finds interesting regardless if it's what the fans want.
>>337661084
>someone who had previously been working in collaboration for a popular franchise is given full creative control with a giant budget to do whatever they want
Boy where have I seen this before?
To show how Big Boss progressed through his life until his death.
>But that was Skullface in the end!
Bullshit. It's how BB looked like after being set on fire in MG2 by SS. Don't argue about it!
Also
WHEN ALL HOPE BLEEDS OUT
>>337661294
kind of but it was a conscious decision. there's all these little quiet, subtle moments that just feel so personal and intimate. it seems like he wanted as much of himself in the game as possible even if the game's quality suffered. that final cutscene, Truth, it just frames everything about the game as this intimate one on one conversation between Kojima and the player.
what really divides it from the prequel trilogy to me is how Truth sets up that Venom=The Player and Naked=Kojima with the whole arc of Naked Snake's journey seeming about humanizing Big Boss and showing that he's not this infallible legend, but a human being with flaws who can get shit wrong sometimes.
whereas George really believes he is the mastermind behind Star Wars and he didn't have any kind of help to make the original trilogy great.
>>337661721
Big Boss is the key to all of this.
>>337661294
Boy I wonder?
>>337661896
what the FUCK is wrong with that dog?
>>337661991
he's sad because that other dog keeps dancing like a retard
>>337651724
THIS
Why does everyone harp on about "freedom" and "openness" in games? They seem to think more freedom = better game, no exceptions. My favourite games are always ones with linear-ish corridor-based level design, not massive sandboxes with nothing to do that only serve to pad out game length because you have to walk across them every time you want to start a mission.
At least Miller was as entertaining as ever. He was such a crotchety old bastard in V.
>>337651724
>>337662101
that's really the biggest tragedy about MGSV. everyone was so hyped for the open world but GZ did the free form, open sneaking just fine in an enclosed space. it's what few linear, hand-crafted setpieces MGSV have where the game really shines, all the open world shit gets kinda tired by the time you get to Africa and it all feels the same.
>>337662298
africa has to be the most disappointing setting ever
it wasn't even cool lion king africa, it was just muddy swamp africa
>>337662190
MGSV feels like it's more about him than anyone else a lot of the time. especially Ground Zeroes, RAD was arguably the star of the game and had more lines than anyone.
>>337662397
my biggest problem is most of it is just a big empty reskinned Afghanistan. there's almost no forest or jungle. what they showed at GDC introducing the buddy system was so deceptive. i was hoping for something really dense that would always be tense to sneak through because you never know what's beyond the next corner, like the admin building in GZ.
>>337655294
>>337655130
>>337654951
>>337654830
>>337654464
>>337662397
I wasn't too disappointed by Africa because I figured it'd just be the second of three areas. Maybe like a snow/mountain area for the third one, or something. Then the game stopped.
>>337662617
i would have preferred like 3-4 Camp Omega sized areas with diverse biomes and weather to what we got.
>>337662520
I would have rather they just brought back the mgs3 setting if they were going to forget how to do jungles.
>>337662617
I had the exact same expectation. I was actively hyped for the third urban/snowy area.
>>337660437
I dont know why this made me laugh so much.
>>337659784
hang yourself.
>>337653631
TFW that scene wasn't as great as the trailers
>>337662101
Hub-based layouts like VtMB are pretty godtier
a lot of stuff to go around, but each area has its own style and feel to it
>>337662298
MGS V would be better praised if it did the following:
Kill off open world and just make levels like GZ you can infiltrate via heli (this would allow for more locales than Afghanistan and Africa)
Add more villains besides Skull Face
Change the story progression and push the "repeat" missions until you beat the game instead of during chapter 2.
More reasons to visit MB besides increasing random morale, invasions and the shooting galleries.
