Why is this lowest common denominator trash getting a pass here? It requires even LESS skill than TF2.
>>337649346
No it doesn't, it requires more aiming and teamwork.
>>337649346
You can make good money shilling for Blizzard.
You just have to email your application over to their support website, theyl'l take just about anyone if you put up some sample shilling.
And you can make a good $25-50 a day if you keep at it. Pretty decent money for a NEET.
I'm considering coding a bot that just copy pastes from a few set 'shills' on a few different boards and then forwarding the proof over to the email they give.
Beats working at mcdonalds anyway.
>>337649638
>it requires more aiming
The hitboxes are twice the size of the character.
>>337649346
>Implying that putting on a bunch of hats takes skill
>>337649346
>Why is this lowest common denominator trash getting a pass here?
Blizzdrones and literal children who are enamored by cartoon vaginas.
Because TF2 is garbage and we've only been putting up with its bullshit for a decade because there were no other competent devs to make a successor.
>>337649768
Yeah, this isn't a bad idea really. Something to pay for my cruise over a day.
>>337650205
people forget that tf2 kinda went to shit over the last half decade it feels like
>>337650205
>TF2 is garbage
Overwatch is also garbage, make no mistake.
It's not a skill based shooter, and that's fine. Overwatch is about coordination and team composition more than anything. Coordinating ultimates with your team, picking heroes that are suited for the job and not your "main" or whatever you're best at is what is most important. You could be the best shooter player in the world but get steamrolled by a mediocre group of players with a game plan. Games come with different sorts of challenges, even shooters, and that's okay. Not every shooter needs to be Quake III.
/v/ likes it because it's fun and has interesting charactersby which I mean waifus with a lot of porn. That's about all it boils down to. TF2 is also getting old, people get sick of playing the same game for so many years, even if it's a really good game.
>>337649775
Either that or bullets are magnetic, it truly is even more casual than tf2.
>>337650658
>more casual than tf2.
Nah, it's 6v6 which means that a team with a casual shithead or two loses hard.
>>337649346
>It requires even LESS skill than TF2
So...the casuals that browse /v/ can actually play the game? Maybe that's why they like it?
>>337650572
>picking heroes that are suited for the job and not your "main" or whatever you're best at is what is most important.
You just described tf2, anyway, I'm fine with people finding in OW what they couldn't in tf2, from what I've seen, they are the same people that couldn't stop bitching about their teammates being bad, blaming others for their own lack of skill.
Also, if this manages to hurt TF2's playerbase Valve will actually do something about the current state of the game.
>>337649346
casuals are taking over
>>337650572
>Overwatch is about coordination and team composition more than anything
and yet this is DOTA / CS to a T (at higher levels in CS) and yet those get shit on hardcore by /v/. And before >le v isnt one person hurr!!! I know faggot, but a vast majority of /v/ posters actually DO believe that, because they dont actually play the games.
Nothing against overwatch, btw, just wanted to point out a blatant double standard if your hypothesis is indeed the case
It's a MOBA shooter. It'll be popular because Blizzard, polished design, and that generally supers will let even the most retarded of players feel good and capable for a moment.
Like all Blizzard games made in the last decade Blizz will desperately try to push a competitive esport scene for it which will fizzle out miserably because they're really really bad at it now.
One of the other MOBA shooters will end up with the actual competitive scene and we're fucking doomed to see endless shitposting threads between whatever it turns out to be and Overwatch.
anybody still play tf2? thinking about downloading it again.
>>337649346
It's fun.
>>337651395
almost every single person on earth has double standard. It doesn't make for strong arguments but it's unavoidable
>>337651426
There's one person who plays it, outside of him, no one does.
>>337651426
literally zero players desu
blizzard has mastered the art of addicting game design, it's all they do nowadays
no depth, filled with skinner box shit, lots of splashy effects, rewarding at all time don't let the player know if they're doing poorly because it turns them off
their games are like casinos really
You can't get more casual than RANDOM CRITS.
>>337651569
>data from 2 years ago
woa dude
>>337649346
>Le skill meme.
>>337649346
Waifus
>>337651117
Swapping in TF2 is definitely as important, but the big difference is in the amount of characters. TF2 only has 9, so the 9 there are pretty versatile and can do a lot more things well than any OW character, and as such have higher skill caps. OW characters are more specialized, so they involve more swapping and skill caps are lower.
If a situation arises in TF2 where you need a Scout, chances are you already have one. If a situation arises in OW where you need a similar character, you might not have one because perhaps another character was better on the previous section of the map. Then it's a choice of choosing between Tracer for high mobility and backstabbing, Genji for countering defense heroes, or Reaper if you have a lot of tight spaces where you can catch people easily. There's definitely a lot more thought needed into which character you choose in OW, but TF2 is naturally more skillful.
>>337651395
Honestly most of it is just that Dota-clones are super popular at the moment, and have kind of taken over the E-sport scene. More people love it, so more people hate it by nature. Overwatch is definitely getting a lot of hate though, /v/ most certainly does not universally love it.
>>337651743
i wish, tf2 should be justifiably dead after valve just 1:1 copied csgo's monetization scheme over
http://store.steampowered.com/stats/
i wonders if it was possible to have juggernaut mode in OW and how they would even do that. specialized as they are even a DM seemed impossible
>valvedrones panicking because their hats are going to be worthless
>>337649346
But it's pvp. Being easy means both sides are at an advantage?
>>337649346
Why do so many Anti-Overwatch threads mention TF2?
It reminds me of when EverQuest players would constantly badmouth WoW as the latter was taking over the MMO market.
>>337649346
Because it's morefun
>It requires even LESS skill than TF2.
That's impossible since TF2 requires no skill.
>>337652282
To some extent, I can kind of follow the reasoning. There are a few comparisons to be made between the two games. Some characters have weapons/playstyles which mimic TF2 to some degree, and the class based thing is best known for TF2.
That said, its comparing apples to oranges at this point.
>>337652039
Not even Valve can change the price of the hats, that's up to the community, traders managed to inflate the prices of keys so much rendering idling worthless, when I started getting into trading Keys were 2-3 ref IIRC, last time I checked they were like 50 fucking ref.
I would love if hat prices went down, I'm not obsessed with hats but being able to get some more for cheap wouldn't be bad, playing dress up is fun <3
>>337649346
Blizzard money and Rule 34?
man im sick of false flag shitposting about overwatch, why can't the game just fucking release now I'm tired of waiting
>>337649346
Easy.
TF2 = Focus on game
Overwatch = Focus on women's butts
Both are casual games, but virgin losers and horny teenagers will claim overwatch is superior just because of the girls.
/v/ is awfully easy to please, give them something they can fap to, disregarding gameplay, music, story, art, difficulty and or any other aspect that makes a game a real game, and they will glady call it a masterpiece.
Previous examples are: Skullgirls, Neptunia, Code of Princes, Shantae, Dead or Alive, Disgaea and many others.
Overwatch is fun! FUN!
>>337652282
>It reminds me of when EverQuest players would constantly badmouth WoW as the latter was taking over the MMO market.
Shit anon I was one of those fuckers, don't remind me. WoW killed my game man, it took my friends, and it proceeded to fuck up the MMO market. I'll always be salty.
>>337652039
That's the one thing I don't understand about overwatch. Where are the hats?
99% of the unlockables are boring shit that I wouldn't equip if I even had them, only the epic skins are interesting at all.
I'm guessing they will roll out the item shop properly after the game is full established, but at the moment I don't see how they can grab the hat audience at launch.
>>337649346
Are we not allowed to enjoy a no skill game? I mainly play fighters, but I do enjoy playing mindless casual games every now and then. I get the same amount of enjoyment playing Overwatch as playing Mario Party with friends.
>>337652282
Because it is essentially a copy of TF2.
>Same whimsically cartoonish theme.
>Same larger than life character personalities.
>Same match types and objectives.
>Same map sizes.
>Many very similar character abilities.
>Many characters that are essentially TF2 weapon choices turned into characters of their own.
They've taken everything about TF2, changed it slightly while preserving the basic thrust of the original and then repackaged it as a new game.
This is what blizzard does, they did it with warcraft, starcraft, world of warcraft, hearthstone and now overwatch.
The only people who are salty that it's a copy of TF2 are people to young to know how Blizzard operates and people who are still playing TF2 for god knows why.
>>337653898
Only two of those are really valid, and thats the match types and sizes bit.
Last two points are pretty much the same thing, and even then not entirely correct. Characters have elements from TF2, but its like 1/4th of their kit. First two points could be condensed into " Uses cartoons as inspiration ", since thats really all thats similar about them.
>>337649346
>TF2 requires more skill
I thought it was because that game had a ton of exploits?
>>337649768
Tell me more about how to sign up
>>337649346
TF2 may require more skill, but Overwatch is at least 20 times morefun
At least in my opinion.
Can't we just get along?
If you like tf2. Good for you
If you like ow, Good for you.
just fucking enjoy the games. since when do we need to argue over this shit? oh wait im on /v/
>>337654918
Maybe you should go back to red dit if the content of this thread offends you
>>337654761
Well first you've got to make a few samples of your work, build a portfolio you know.
Basically go to /v/ and reddit and post something along the lines of:
"Have Blizzard made the best game of all time?" and an over watch picture.
If you get lucky people will respond, if it gets to 50+ replies with the first few replies good, screen cap that and send it to Blizzard. They will get back to you giving you a few assignments or specific forums to go for. Then if you post evidence they will pay. Small amounts at first proportional to number of replies and positivity of responses.
Sometimes you might be asked to shill for WoW though, that's a lot harder and doesn't pay as much.
Good luck!
>>337655295
>he makes a logical point
.G-GO BACK TO R-REDDIT FAG!
ahah got him!
>>337649346
A game doesn't have to require skill to be fun anon.
>>337655460
>he
Just say "I", you fucking pussy.
>>337655295
good one
>>337654918
Unfortunately overwatch is a shit game. It's financial success (defined by box sales) breeds more shit games wasting good developer time on shit publishers like Blizzard.
Blizzard, EA, Activision. These companies just need to lay down and die. They have no business in the video game industry. They need to go back to selling dish washing liquid and T-shirts. So they can release a new model every year, that house wives will buy because it will be better than last years.
This model doesn't work in the gaming industry.
By allowing Acitivision to succeed financially we are letting dirty weeds grow in our garden that will eventually strangle the fruit. WE cannot have this. This is why we must reveal overwatch for the piece of burning shit it is.
Now those animated trailers? They have potential. I'm fine with that. Blizzard should just be an animated trailer company. Their product is hype and animated trailers. The best part is they are giving their product out for free, I'm fine with that. I'm NOT fine with allowing people to spew crap about overwatch being a good game, fooling others into trying it, and then justifying Activision to continue with their shitty development model. They need to die. They need to starve, lose sales, go under massive financial loss and walk away from the gaming industry never to return calling it a bad investment.
Because that's all gaming is to them; an investment.
>>337655964
blizzard don't exactly spew out yearly rehash games though, anon
also, overwatch being shit is entirely subjective and there's plenty of people that like it.
>>337649346
It doesn't really, alot of people know it's not the best and has flaws. Really blizzdrones and waifufags are running it around.
>>337655964
>Millions upon millions of people buying games i don't like are ruining the gaming industry even though those people buying the games are what make the industry.
>>337655964
I don't think it's a shit game. So how is me enjoying this game harmful to gaming?
>>337649346
blizzard marketing
>>337654918
Nah, I've watched TF2 turn from a great game into the horrible autistic mess it is today.
No TF2 fag is gonna get an easy time from me, I don't even really care about Overwatch.
>>337649346
you're a fucking faggot OP, did you even play the beta? It's fun and if you didn't have fun playing the beta then you don't like having fun so go fuck yourself
>>337655339
Wow thanks guy
Out of curiosity are you a paid shill
>>337656068
Don't they?
WoW does with a yearly expansion.
D3 does not, I think they gave up on that one.
SC2 Does, infact they're trying to sell $15 'mission packs' now after butchering the story turning tassader into a giant space worm and kerrigan into a light bulb.
Hearthstone does, they sell card expansion packs on a more than yearly basis.
In fact every game they made since Activision TOOK OVER (i won't have none of this 'we merged' crap, activision tells blizzard what to do in terms of monetisation and Blizzard does it). has been filled with some form of 'drip feed' payments. They CANNOT be happy with a simple box sale anymore. They need a yearly release of some kind.
>>337656260
People are susceptible to hype. The comapnies have figured this out. Don't even worry about the game. The game is secondary. First and foremost is HYPE. Because that's what industry YOUR refering. The 'hype' industry.
1) Hype a game to no end, make extremely good trailers, pay shills, advertise whatever you need to.
2) Take in pre-orders, offer some ridiculous pre-order bonus
3) On launch day, count profits
4) Move on as fast as possible to the next hype. Time is money.
>B..B..But.. what about the game?
Fuck the game this is about Hype.
This isn't the gaming industry you're talking about when you say "Millions upon millions of people buying games"... Millions upon millions of people are buying Hype. The games themselves are shallow microstransaction/DLC filled rushed out shitholes.
>>337655339
stop this meme
>>337656729
I was, but then I got a real job.
Now I just play GOOD games.
>>337649346
>It requires even LESS skill than TF2.
Many you got in so few words and still are pretending to not know why so you can bait people.
That's dedication my friend.
Go die in a fire.
>>337656845
Stop this meme you say?
Do you want me to:
"DELETE THIS RIGHT NOW?"
>>337656815
>WoW does with a yearly expansion.
it's like every two years, desu
pretty sure the sc2 games were two years apart as well but i could be wrong
d3 gets frequent non-paid content updates after RoS because blizz realised they fucked up release really bad and it's arguably less terrible now.
hearthstone is shit and can go die
>>337656330
By you thinking it's not a shit game when it clearly is a shit game, and you spewing this crap on /v/... impresionable people will think "Hmm let me purchase this game for $60".
This $60 will then travel through the ecnomy. Some of it will go to the developers, which is fine. Some of it will go to the distributors which is okay.
Most of it will go to activision's coffers.
At the next CEO meeting, Bobby kottick will stand up and point to your $60 and the $60 other people contributed due to your shilling or enjoyment of this shit game.
He will say
>>"Look, the model works, they fell for it!".
Then he will take his bonus and be more motivated so next year he will find a small indie studio that is making an actual decent game... buy them out and ask them to make some other flaming piece of shit.
And thus a viral infection will spread through gaming FUNDED by your shilling of this flying fecal matter game Overwatch.
>>337657226
it's $40 you fucking autist
>i don't want people to play [game]
>i should make a thread about [game] to give it more exposure
>>337649346
>It requires even LESS skill than X
anon its fun to play, I dont care
you die quicker in this and death is much more punishing. Hat sim will never compare.
>>337657280
AUD unfortunately.
In any case the principle holds. Overwatch is a SHIT game, and people that enjoy it, or buy any of Blizzard or Activision's games are ruining the gaming industry as a whole.
>>337657226
But it's not shit. I hope they take my money and make more fun games.
what is a good game that requires skill that i should play
>>337657416
and what does you and your amazing and flawless taste enjoy, anon?
>>337649346
Underage, new, and complete shitters who need no challenge or depth.
>>337657312
>i could easily make a thread about [other game], because i enjoy playing it
>but other people might call [other game] bad and make me feel bad about myself for liking it
>>337657226
You must be really, really cynical to say OW is objectively a shit game.
It's also funny people talk about 'low skill ceiling' when that's most definitely not the case. It is a matter of knowing who counters who and how to deal with such-and-such hero.
The very fact you have to assess map potential, team composition, and even game mode when picking a character makes it way more skillful than TF2 by default. TF2 only had nine choices, and a few of those are a given by default (Solider, Scout, Medic, etc)
>>337657449
It is shit, and you're one of those kids that need to be hit before they learn a lesson.
Youl'l realsie your mistake when you take your next bites into overwatch as the weeks roll on and that steaming fecal taste starts to soak into your tastebuds permanently.
>>337657453
tetris
>>337657621
I'm not even talking about skill,
It's going to be a shit game because it's backed by a shit publisher that's put out nothing but dog genitals for the last 8 years+.
This is an argument from historical competence.
See all of BLizzard's games over the last 8 years. Take the average. That's what Overwatch is going to be.
Crappier than Hearthstone, better than D3 Vanilla.
Something around the same level as HOTS. Lots of hype during launch, and then a few weaks later isolated to a small niche community that stills plays for questionable reasons.
The majority of the audience will move onto the next flavour of the month game.
That's the problem with targeting 'casuals'... They are Casuals for a reason.
>>337649346
>Why is this lowest common denominator trash getting a pass here?
Did you really expect anything different from this place? The significant difference between that pile of shit and games like CoD is the presence of waifus.
>>337652605
Wh- says the waifu self insert moron who plays some garbage Korean MMO.
I played Quake, UT2K4, TF, TF2, and I'm currently a Global Elite on CSGO.
The game is pretty fun desu. It's only $40, and as long they keep pumping out free content I think it's worth it. I doubt 99% of you are even competent enough to worry about skillcap just by statistics standpoint. The skillcap gets higher when there's more players, as more players means there will be a highly skilled group that competes amongst each other. Even though Faker players a casual game like League of Legend, the fact that he stands at the top of millions of players probably means he has the highest skill. That's just the nature of MULTIPLAYER games.
>>337657928
See, I could agree with Hearthstone, but HOTS isn't really 'niche', and it's honestly a way better game than either DOTA or LoL
D3 is meh because I was never one for click-tastic games.
It's really all a matter of what sort of games you like or dislike.
>>337658140
thank you for not being retarded
honestly
>>337657928
>Something around the same level as HOTS. Lots of hype during launch, and then a few weaks later isolated to a small niche community that stills plays for questionable reasons.
You'll be surprised how many people are playing HoTS. Just because it isn't e-sports doesn't mean it's not popular.
>>337657226
You keep on talking about a model and I have no idea what this model actually is.
Is it the cosmetic microtransactions? Is that the trigger?
>>337658371
It's obvious that he's completely clueless regarding how a business works. Why are you responding?
>>337658140
ex comp-tf2 faglord + q3a/cpm player reporting in
seems like if an fps isn't literally cpm tier individual skill requirements /v/ will shit on it, but if it is nobody will actually play it because you have to actually be good at it
overwatch doesn't have to be the next painkiller/q3a, it just has to be fun to play and i think it does that pretty well personally.
>>337658497
he's also ignoring any posts that say anything that disagree with him/confront him about anything that isn't "overwatch is terrible :("
>>337658497
Yeah, I just didn't get it.
Paying money for a focussed game is bad now somehow. And to tell you the truth, if Blizzard makes good on their free gameplay updates approach, I don't see the problem with cosmetic microtransactions.
>>337658756
Cosmetic microtransactions are the only microtransactions that are ok. RNG boxes are not ok, but if they only contain cosmetics they are tolerable.
>>337658497
>>337658557
I want you guys to really internalise the lengths your going to defend this shit game overwatch.
So when it flops I want you guys to fully embrace how stupid you feel/look.
>>337658140
>>337658557
How do you bros defend all the stuns/slows in the game? TF2 has Sandman and Airblast, but OW has Mei, McCree, Reinhardt(2), Devourer, Zarya, and especially Junkrat. They're not like, flagrantly overpowered, but they're not fun to play against and they aren't acceptable at all in my eyes. I'd rather just die than suffer through having my controls ripped from me. It's downright lame.
>muh self-made skill wall
>>337658756
>>337658814
I'm worried they'll go full valve on cosmetic gachaboxes, I hope it doesn't happen but it's a legitimate fear.
>>337658876
I want you to stop and look at what you're typing. A game does not have to appeal to you and you alone and sell 500m copies to be a success - if the playerbase is enough to find a game whenever I feel like playing it, then it's so far from a "flop" it isn't funny.
Are you seriously going to argue that absolutely anyone who likes this game is a shill? What games do you enjoy that are so perfect, showcase incredible individual skill and are untouched by corporate greed?
>>337659013
I'm not really trying to defend it as a serious competitive shooter honestly, I just think it's fun to play in pubs with a friend or two and when you're not taking it seriously they're far less of an issue.
>>337658876
How sad must your life be, to make you so angry about other people enjoying themselves?
>>337649346
>2016
>still playing tf2
F2P poorfag detected
>>337652605
You're not wrong. You're a faggot, but you're not wrong.
>>337653389
No one is allowed to have fun or not have fun.
>>337659013
I don't pretend to be good at fps - about 4000 hours in tf2 and something like 500 total in quake and all its derivatives, and I'm still not as good as I'd like to be in any of those games.
There's no defending it because it's Overwatch, and not CS, or Quake, or UT. It should be judged on its own merits.
>>337649346
it is fun
>>337659278
I also think the new Call of Duty is the only interesting one I've seen in what feels like a long while, for what it's worth.
>>337650572
Plenty of shooters already do this without making movement slow as fuck and making everything an easy target. It's pretty pathetic how low the velocity cap is I'm this game and how easy it is to get a headshot with Widowmaker. Team composition is more about hard countering the other team over making something with good synergy.
>>337658557
yeah, people complain about low skill ceilings but will refuse to ever actually learn anything about the game, and thats for literally every type of game
besides, its not like you cant do some quake-ish shit in this game with some of the characters. the whole thing is pretty varied in general as far as 'aim required' goes
>>337659691
Yeah, it's not trying to be Quakeworld or Warsow, it's its own thing and should probably be approached as such. If everyone who bitched about the low skill ceiling of recent fps'es actually played one with a high skill ceiling, they'd be far less dead.
Warsow quite literally averages a dozen people playing at once, Reflex averages like 30, Q3A/QL on steam average like 12/600 respectively, and i'm not entirely sure UT4 is the pinnacle of activity either.
>>337659691
Shooting pharrahs out of the sky as Hanzo is one of the most satisfying things.
Yeah I understand where people are getting at with "low skill" required on Overwatch, but honestly it's just a balance issue. Skills are way too powerful for their availability. My personal opinion is that a team of 6 who have their own mains and are highly skilled should be able to deal with any counters they have. Instead of a switch and adapt meta, which I think is more stale.
>2016
>tf2 still doesn't have action replay
Kek, Call of Duty had that in 2003.
>>337649346
Games don't have to require a lot of skill to be fun.
Team fortress 2 requires zero skill and anyone that says otherwise is an underage faggot,
>>337649346
Heavy shilling
>>337660509
Why wouldn't Heavy be shilling for TF2, though?
A simple game with high production values is more appealing than a super complex game that looks like shit
>>337657928
I'm going to agree with the anon who called you cynical. Overwatch could be a masterpiece but you'd call it shit because that's just the contrarian you are.
I tried the beta on a whim, expecting something mediocre and ended up liking it quite a bit.
>>337659109
>I'm worried they'll go full valve on cosmetic gachaboxes, I hope it doesn't happen but it's a legitimate fear.
There was an article somewhere about the legendary chances in these boxes. Kaplan said that it isn't actually random, so it's already better than what Valve does.
>>337660451
I honestly find it hilarious how people are adamant on defending TF2 now even though everyone was shitting on how dead and low skill Hat Simulator 2 was not even a month ago.
People reaction to Overwatch was literally the same as original Team Fortress players reaction to TF2
>>337650658
The game has built in aim bots with certain heroes
>>337660875
I'm not worried about the chances, rarity is fine. Valve just do a lot of ridiculously greedy shit with their cosmetics, like stripping key features from community-made & voted for items and then selling them with stuff like particles/animations locked behind further microtransactions or just completely removed from the original item.
I don't even understand why /v/ is so obsessed with FPS needing to be high skill UT or Quake-like fastpaced games, but do they talk or even play those games? There's no threads about them.
>>337660993
Each with huge audio and visual tells, and you have to "earn" your right to use that skill.
>>337661154
Shitters, all of them. I'm only defending Overwatch because it's a genuinely fun game.
I DO have a problem that Blizzard-Activation is not only the one behinds, so you're gonna expect a lot of jewery in the future and there's no modding support, no community servers, Blizzard is literally running everything. That'll be the only reason why this game dies in a month or two.
I don't get it
it's a pvp game
the difficulty is as high as the opponents you face, the "it takes no skill" meme makes no sense
>>337661154
No. If you want even bigger laughs read /v/ threads about fighting games.
>>337661572
are you new to /v/? most here don't play the games they talk about
>>337652605
You're right, we should all strive to be like you and play a weeb mmo as a maid girl all day and beg for people to draw our characters in draw threads.
>>337661154
You know the thing about UT and Arena Shooters, though. They aren't as fun with a group of friends as Overwatch is.
They've got a very high skill ceiling, sure, but they're terrible when you try to get a group of people in with you.
>>337661572
People are starting to realize how bullshit of an argument this is, don't worry. Read the thread >>337659691
>>337658557
>>337658140
I'm more worried about Blizzard ruining this game which is why I haven't bought it yet.
>>337661572
>Guys, tick-tack-toe is a pvp game and the difficulty is as high as the opponents you face, the "it takes no skill" meme makes no sense
>>337649346
Because after 2008, 4chan became more popular over the years. So now casuals are the majority and nothing can change that.
Just lay down and let /v/ die.
>>337662254
>a 6v6 game with 21 classes is literally solved and impossible to lose if you play a certain way
>>337662254
>HERE LET ME MAKE MY POINT WITH THE ABSOLUTE MOST RETARDED COMPARISON I COULD POSSIBLY COME UP WITH
>>337649346
It has waifus and lots of colour. Also the low skill ceiling appeals to people who aren't good with competition.
>>337662285
go and google the letter v, this board is literally the first result
>>337661742
>They aren't as fun with a group of friends as Overwatch is.
Yeah, they are. That, and the argument that they're not fun if you're not good at them, amaze me because it's like people completely forget how big they were or how popular they were at LAN parties.
>overwatch is so fucking bland its shills have to compare it to a 9 year old game to be relevant.
>>337661572
you cant be serious, right. whats easier. versing a human in tic tac toe or someone in counter strike.
>>337651395
Look at any "most played games" thread and you'll see tons of people showing that Dota 2 and/or CS:GO are one of their most played games. People shitpost about those games because of the cancerous playerbases, because of how they perceive the game as "hardcore", and because it gets plenty of (you)'s.
>>337662929
>it's like people completely forget how big they were or how popular they were at LAN parties.
thats because most of these kids weren't even born yet.
>>337661742
>You know the thing about UT and Arena Shooters, though. They aren't as fun with a group of friends as Overwatch is.
>>337663120
I'd be confident against someone in CS actually, I didn't memorize tic tac toe yet like everyone else did apparently.
>>337663120
the difference is that tic tac toe is a solved game, which overwatch is not, and never will be
i feel like arguing that the skill floor is too high is a far better argument against overwatch but i've literally never seen it posted
'fun with friends' is a hollow argument. Anything is fun with friends. Sitting around doing nothing but chattering with your friends is fun.
I had fun playing fucking HAZE with friends.
HAZE
>>337663342
WHOEVER GETS THE FIRST MOVE TAKES THE CENTRE, THEN YOU WIN. Fuck did any of you have childhoods?
>>337663528
I remember playing the box game more then tic tac toe. Is that one solved?
>>337663365
oh, riiiight, that changes everything. uh, somehow. i think.
okay, soccer and thumb war.
>>337663342
>tic tac toe requires too much thought, counterstrikes easier for me
>>337663365
Overwatch is a solved game.
Widowmaker aimbot.
Sure, it's not mathematically rigorous, but you won't find a human who can beat that.
>>337663906
>Overwatch is a solved game.
>Widowmaker aimbot.
>>337663789
no idea what the box game refers to
>>337649768
>25-50 dollar a day
>more money than a wagecuck
this is one of these i made 100,000 working at home scams isn't it
>>337663836
It was a joke anon, I was saying that I was more confident on CSGO because I don't know the solution of Tic tac toe so if both playerrs don't know, it's more chance.
But whatever floats your boat
>>337664064
You have a dot grid and you take turns drawing lines and you get a point for completing a box.
>>337649346
Fuck off tryhard
>>337655339
This doesn't make any sense though, there's loads of those threads on /v/, how could they possibly prove whose is whose?
>>337657453
Platinum Games; DMC, Bayonetta, Vanquish, Metal Gear Rising Revengeance, Viewtiful Joe
high difficulties of course
I need a multiplayer game to get rid of the crave for overwatch /v
help
How sad is it that the year is 2016 and there are not currently servers filled with people shooting rockets at each other on big ass unreal tournament servers. Remember facing worlds? The one map where you'd fight in space first and then land on an enemy ship?
This is how the current populated arena fps lives. 6v6, class based with the holy trinity of MMO's tank, healer and dps.
>>337664750
>136 hours in Ring Runner single player because I'm waiting for the day the multiplayer starts up again if that ever happens
help
>>337658140
Show participation/victory medals!
>>337665027
That sounds neat.
Any webms?
>>337649346
Because it's fun to play with friends, not like you'd know.
>>337665146
Nah but I found it on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95JjCQBQ7N8
The amount of variety you could find playing the old UT games is crazy.
>>337649638
kek I like the game due to how casual it is; you can play perfectly well on PC with an xbone controller plugged in while you're chilling on the couch.
>>337651117
>You just described tf2, anyway
Competitive TF2 is either 6v6 with 2 scout, 2 soldier, 1 medic and 1 demo or highlander with 1 of every class. In 6v6 swapping out for other characters is fairly uncommon, and only a couple of people will do it- if you main medic or demo you will play nothing else competitively.
The skill ceiling really was incredibly high in TF2 on some classes, but it's hard to say what Overwatch will wind up as competitively.
>>337663504
There's a little something called force multiplier in gaming. Some games have a huge force multiplier, while others have very little. The games with a large force multiplier and much much more fun with friends.
>>337665265
Anyone else feel like FPS has stagnated hardcore?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpMfgmpwBrQ
>>337652605
TF2 had a lot of heart. The black humor, the characters, the art style. Pubs are now gaudy bullshit where children repeat the price of the keys they're selling over and over again but I used to really love that game.
>>337665434
That's funny because the guy literally let the bots do everything.
>>337665434
Whats the last multiplayer game that had varied amounts of objectives anyways?
>>337649346
This is the new vidya cancer after LoL, Undertale and Hearthstone. Just ignore it, anon.
>try to play TF2
>full of memers who sit around playing friendly heavy
>took valve years to understand that the comp scene was important, but refused to acknowledge the existence of 6v6 for a very long time (muh highlander)
>competitive matchmaking is in shambles; it's based off of fucking MvM and barely works
>new interns lazily tacking on things like fucking CS:GO microtransaction system
>poor b4nny thinks the devs actually give a shit
>game is fundamentally fucked from years of bitrot, and all this cruft has accrued to poor game performance. remember the replay feature? yeah neither do I
>try to play Overwatch
>built for competitive from the ground-up
>not going to have these problems
>>337660357
>Switch and adapt meta
>Stale
lmao what
>>337662615
No, that's actually a decent comparison. There are games where there is very little familiarity or adaptation required to win consistently. Spending 2000 hours on rock paper scissors will not make you better at it; you are as good when you start.
Low skill ceilings exist. That all classes in overwatch will be easy to use in all situations is probably wrong, but there will probably be many classes that are incredibly easy to play. The same was actually true of TF2. Competitive TF2 just favored classes which required more skill.
>>337664750
seriously how are you guys getting your dose of "competetive" now?
>>337665434
I might be lynched for saying this, but Roblox honestly preserves the FPS genre pretty well.
>>337665969
Overwatch will not end up with a formulaic cycle of counter picking, it will end up with a couple of strong, versatile classes that aren't easily or seriously countered for offense and defense and some support classes. Probably 3/4 of the cast will not be used very much at all competitively.
>>337665962
>play tf2
>full of memes
>play overwatch
>is a meme
>>337665690
Missing the point. You would usually be playing this map vs other people back in the day.
>>337665828
Quake Wars? Its been a while since I've seen any crazy set piece big fighting FPS aside from the biannual battlefield game.
>>337649346
>Why is this lowest common denominator trash getting a pass here?
Its called aggressive shilling.
guys
what if
i know this may sound crazy
but what if
stick with me
what ifboth of the games are fun and people are allowed to enjoy one over th e other?
what an awful world that would be
>all these threads glorifying TF2 to shit on Overwatch
It took TF2 dying for somebody to care about it.
>>337665962
Is the match making messed up? I heard it was largely functional.
>>337649346
It'sfun
Not every game needs to be a super fucking serious high skill ceiling for it to be enjoyed on this board
It's fun and TF2 isn't.
That's literally the only reasoning I need.
I don't care if that's casual or what the fuck ever, because it's my entertainment, not yours.
>>337665387
You do realize TF2 competitive has class restrictions, right?
That's one of the reasons why TF2 is inherently a casual game and Valve's efforts to make it a big competitive game will never work.
>>337667129
>fun in spoilertext
Kill yourself you fucking worm.
We need to get rid of all the trash on /v/ nowadays.
>There are people who think a game being fun isn't enough of a justification to play it
I don't understand.
It's that the reason for playing video games, to have fun?
>waifus
>>337667264
When video games are the one and only thing in your life, you tend to take them QUITE seriously. Try to remember what kind of people you're talking to
>>337667204
Not all competitive TF2 has class restrictions, 6v6 does not.
>That's one of the reasons why TF2 is inherently a casual game and Valve's efforts to make it a big competitive game will never work.
This is dumb. The window of opportunity to make TF2 a big competitive game passed a long time ago, but it could have been one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJvtXaLXjAE
TF2 was honestly far more complicated and required significantly more situational experience than CS did at a high level.
>>337667496
>significantly more situational experience than CS did at a high level.
Uh huh.
Enjoy your dead comp scene.
>>337667129
I can direct rocket people as pharah. I can headshot people as mccreed and soldier. I am easy to please.
>>337649768
I work for free.
>>337667339
Reddit it's time to leave.
>>337666603
This. If you watch the young comp scene so far there's not a lot of class switching. On some maps there is some since the nature of attack/defense at the beginning and end are different, but largely teams stick to a strong and flexible comp and run it.
>>337667496
Every single angle of every map is incredibly important in CS. Watching demo's and planning for every move your opponent might make is important in CS.
The players who have been playing for 10+ god damned years of CS are the vast majority of people that make up the entirety of the top level pro scene. Situational experience is pretty fucking damn important in CS.
>>337667701m-make me:^)
>>337649346
tf2 has a huge skill ceiling, so that's still saying something
>>337667829
>>337667829
tf2 has 10% of the skill ceiling of most shooting games
if you get decent at quake you're already a tf2 pro
>>337667496
Are you actually saying angles and choke points aren't the most important thing in CS?
If so then you clearly knowing nothing about the pro scene there so you should just stop talking you silver baby.
>>337667549
>>337667785
>Enjoy your dead comp scene.
Counter Strike is obviously much simpler than TF2. The economy in CS follows a pretty strict flowchart most of the time, the best places to throw flashbangs and smoke grenades in a route are well known, you make call outs, you try to get head shots. It's a very simple, twitchy game. The matches are short and usually do not vary that much.
It's extremely likely Overwatch will be much more complicated and will have a higher "skill ceiling" than CS does.
>>337668032
>read this post
>watch the video in this post
>>337667496
It checks out. Fuck it looks boring. I feel bored just watching it. Usually when I watch CS or Quake Arena it makes me really wanna fucking play it instead of watching it. I don't know what the fuck I'm watching here.
Thank god overwatch has a lot more hitscan headshot rewarding classes and better mobility being the norm rather than DURR rocket jump.
The amount of prediction rockets I saw that are just banking on pure luck that the opponent doesn't dodge in a giant 5 second window is hilarious.
If it's so easy, then why can't random ragtag teams win games against dedicated sponsored teams?
>>337668123
>tfw running at faggots spraying the ak and getting rng headshots
>>337668123
>usually do not vary that much.
This isn't even true at low levels of play so you being shit can't be an excuse.
You literally just don't play CS and only know of it.
>>337667680
Man, comparing the TF2 lineup to the Overwatch lineup makes me depressed. What happened to coherent artstyles and colour palettes?
>>337668334
They are fueled by redbull and monster. Fucking pay 2 win bullshit.
>>337668067
>>337668067
>Are you actually saying angles and choke points aren't the most important thing in CS?
I didn't say this at all. Obviously choke points are the most important thing in CS. The techniques for checking around a corner and killing somebody in CS are not remotely complicated though. You play a lot of matches and master choke points pretty fast.
>>337668297
>better mobility being the norm rather than DURR rocket jump
The soldier is obviously very strong, but rocket jumping damages you and doing it effectively requires map familiarity. Getting a rocket to hit somebody after you pop them up with splash damage consistently is very hard.
>banking on pure luck that the opponent doesn't dodge
If you see opponents and ammo isn't that limited you do not lose anything by shooting a rocket towards them.
>>337668486
I played for about 300 hours. Most matches really do progress in fairly routine ways, especially at first. They sometimes become interesting towards the ending, but that's pretty uncommon, and the several guys left alive tiptoeing around is almost never remarkable.
CS is popular competitively because it's extremely simple and it progresses just slow enough that it comes in short, addicting bursts but you can spectate players and have some idea of what's going on.
>>337668780
>300 hours
you haven't even scratched the surface of this deep dark rabbit hole
>>337668780
>master choke points pretty fast
This isn't true. What I mean is, the things you can do at choke points are not that sophisticated, you run into the same choke points over and over again, and after not very long on a map it becomes almost all reactions and, to a lesser extent, guessing.
>>337668905
Why the fuck would I want to?
>>337649346
So tell me op, why should I give a fuck about skill if I have fun ?
Your lack of achievement in life push you to aim for elitist game so you can feel like someone instead of a fucking looser?
>>337668969
so you can shout your gigantic ego over the mountains of shitters you've stomped on your way up the MM ladder to realize after 3000 hours of CS you've climbed a small hill and are looking straight up mount Everest which will destroy your life as you learn tiny thing after tiny thing every map.
I don't recommend it, its not healthy to play as a try hard.
>>337669421
gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
>>337669278
don't kid yourself dude half of CSGO pros started with CSGO and many of them haven't even been playing since release
>>337669768
Are you high? All of the top teams have most players dating since 1.6. Its kinda funny how few just got in since source.
If by pros are you talking about shitty NA teams whose players still have day jobs?
>>337668067
>>337668672
Anyone got a download of these smug girl images?
>>337669768
You do realize that most of the top players have played 1.6 in some form, right?
>>337670765
I'll take that as a no.
