What went wrong?
Blood elfs.
Corridor dungeons.
give worgens to horde in exchange for blood elfs and we gonna have a A:H ratio from 9:1
>>337551967
Nothing, best expansion ever.
inb4 wotlk babbies cry
>Patch 2.3.0 (13-Nov-2007): Badges of Justice now also drop from bosses in Karazhan and Zul'Aman.
>>337553090
Don't forget all the nerfs they did to Kara.
Kara was legitimately brutal at one time.
>>337552156
>implying they don't have the best starting area of ALL TIME
Arenas killed world pvp
Flying Mounts, killed wpvp and exploration
>>337553193
>>337552156
and the best voice
Draenei are what went wrong.
>>337553193
Draenei have better one.
>>337553268
>in before some horse-fuking penis sucker talks about tail or hips or some autistic shit
>>337551967
Wrath of the Lich King happend, TBC was the best WoW expansion ever.
Check your facts before you post something stupid anon.
>>337553291
>>337553193
>tfw the draenei and belf starter zones are the only one untouched by casualclysm
>tfw they're the only ones that actually feel like world of warcraft
It ended.
>>337553291
Literally just fucking moths and trash.
>>337553339
>implying something good fantasy possibly have any flaws or start bad trends
Axe yourself.
>>337553360
wish they could at least update them so you can fly there.
>>337553193
Apparently, there were some people who recorded the DPS of all people in raids and found that blood elves were on average the worst players out of all races. I would agree with them.
>>337553515
They're like 50% of the races, of course they're bad.
It was a good expac overall, lowering attunement reqs for the raids was kinda dumb though. I played a noskill healbot pally in BC and grinding Kara for ages with multiple guilds till I had a decent pre T5 set. However, by that point Champion of the Naaru and Hand of A'dal weren't required for higher level stuff so I was able to bump up to TK/SSC and eventually half of Hyjal and some of BT. I pushed to earn Hand of A'dal on the very last day it was available to earn just to have an actual title that mattered for raiding.
other low points
>resilience gear
>badges
>caving to shitters who hated the pre wrath world event
>flying mounts ruining world pvp
>>337551967
>draenei
>blood elves
>making Illidan and Kael the villains
>naaru
>arena
>flying mounts
>standardizing end game progression
>making old world obsolete
>>337553437
you can though
>retconning everything about draenor, the draenei, the eredar and introducing fuckstupid naaru
>turning kael and illidan into villains because we need a raid boss!!!!!!!!!
>making epics outstripped by greens in the new expac
>>337552891
>Stockades
>>337553791
People hated the prewrath event? How?
>>337554719
Oh my fuck, vanills has three corridor dungeons out of 30.
And BC is 12/12.
You fucking retard.
>>337554427
>making epics outstripped by greens in the new expac
From where this meme come? People kept good epics until 70, even fucking warlord set you could just farm in prepatch hold itself pretty good
It's like you never even played back then or something
>>337554767
Wotlk kids complained
Linear dungeons
Heroic modes
Badge Grinding
End game focus
Arenas
It was a good expansion, but if it didn't make all the good shit obsolete it would have been better.
>>337554889
I still have my Paladin T2 recolor from it on my Rogue, I never use the damn set, but I love knowing its there.
Season 3 and Sun Well. Before that my server was a hive of activity, world PvP and happenings. Then once these two hit the server started dying and people in it started to seem less interested. The gear from them caused huge imbalances to the game. Sever never recovered and people drifted off
>>337553217
No.Flying mountsdid world PvP in. No more running scared through contested zones to get to your group members at the dungeon entrance.
>>337554934
>Arenas
>Bad
Please elaborate on your shitty taste
>>337555663
Oddly enough on Defias Brotherhood EU the opposite happened. Before TBC world PvP started to die when Blizzard started putting insta gib guards everywhere like lights hope. Then TBC came along and for at least the first 2/3rds of TBC flying was used more of a means of getting to world pvp happenings faster. There was a huge explosion in world PvP in TBC for some servers.
Turning Illidan and Kael into Saturday morning cartoon villains
>>337555765
>instanced PVP
>in an MMO
I don't need to elaborate, its fucking retarded no matter how you spin it
>>337554767
People complained like crazy on the forums because if you were anywhere near a major city you couldn't get anything done. It was amazingly fun, first and last time I've ever been in a raid group to raid the auction house and bank of one of my faction's own cities before. The people who complained were the "no fun unique events, gotta seriously raid until the very last second of BC" crowd.
>>337555275
I think the average raid focused player saw it as another Naxx with a 5 man that didn't really matter. Most groups didn't have the gear and coordination to tackle even the first boss in the Sunwell. Most people saw it for the dailies could net you tons of gold, that's about it.
>>337556113
>Battlegrounds somehow aren't instanced now
nigga
![pandaleak[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5lAWebW.jpg "pandaleak[1].jpg")
>>337551967
Literally draeneis - they were scrap material, used instead of pandas - but since China was a huge market and their complains about panda in a violent game forced the change...
"Chris Metzen confirmed during an interview with Direct TV that the pandaren were indeed the original Alliance race for The Burning Crusade, but about halfway through the development of BC they were replaced with the draenei."
But that's my only complaint everythign else in TBC was awesome - then everything in other xpacs sucked until pandaria, which was actually pretty fun
>>337556275
I would have been fine with the Draenei if they'd used this type rather than the stupid russian bodybuilders/horsecock sluts we got.
>>337556113
>instanced PvE
>in an MMO
How's this any better?
Would you rather two teams fight at a time like in the Brawler's Guild? If so, hf with your 10+hour queues.
>>337551967
It was replaced with the garbage we have now.
>>337556197
I seriously raided until the last week, we got KJ, we also raided Ironforge with a massive horde of zombies. The two weren't mutually exclusive. The people who complained were the kind of shithead loser who idled more than they played, everyone else had a blast, and I know this because my guild had all kinds, I know exactly who complained and why.
>>337556428
>Brawler's Guild arena
That would be a fun option for casual matches.
>walljumping fixed
the day WoW died to me
>>337556275
>WotLK arena sucked
>Ulduar sucked
>The new WotLK ablilities and talents sucked
wut?
>>337556578
Brawler's Guild style arena would be the greatest shit in any mmo, the problem is, you would have to have instancing, OR a shitton of arenas running at the same time. The last option doesn't work for WoW, since them mashing in 100 Nagrand Arenas side by side would fuck up the zone. And therefore, you'd end up with 10+ hour queues
>>337551967
WotLK came out.
Giving Alliance Shaman and Horde Paladins.
TBC is WoW's only good xpac. WotLK and onward put the game through a meatgrinder and turned it into casual chum.
Isle of Quel'Danas and daily quests.
Resilience.
>>337553291
>Tfw can't fucking stand Draenei or NE starting areas.
Fuck, they're so fucking dark and boring. Hurr durr, dark trees and magical glowing lights. I've never been able to get one above level 6 because I can't even stand running them to another starting area.
>>337556660
holy shit, the hours spent climbing all the stuff. it was like a game within a game
>>337557232
>Blood Elf starting zone
>dark
Nigger, what?
>>337557182
>Isle of Quel'Danas
>Not the absolute best update in the entire expansion
casual PvE shitter detected
>>337557328
Uh, anon...
>>337557435
90% of it is bright, pretty forests. The fucking color scheme is red/orange/yellow/green.
>>337557328
>NE = Bloof Elf
Nigga, what?
>>337557610
>NE
>Nigger Elf
What about it?
>>337557328
flying mounts, arena gear, mace stun
>>337551967
Bruning crusade was the best, fuck you
Killing kael'thas with a legendary 2 handed axe 2 weeks before he was nerfed to oblivion was the most fun I ever had in that game ever
WotlK ruined the game with the trial of the crusader update... that was when they started giving top gear to shit players, had everybody defeating bosses day one and then dumbed down hard mode so everybody could do it, so instead of fighting new bosses your guild would force you to kill a slightly stronger version of the boss you already killed before
Icecrown was cool though, not as good as uldaman, but still fun, if only for lore reasons. But after that everything went downhill
>>337555663
It didnt hurt the pvp on my server since most of it was still done in Azeroth rather than in outlands
Cata destroyed it though once they let you fly in Azeroth
>>337557685
Oh. Good one, I guess.
>>337556361
I really dont know why they didnt just use the broken, they look cool anyway and are less of a stretch from the broken ones
>>337557685
>Trying to play off your mistake, but incorrectly using meme arrows.
inb4 you claim to be retarded on purpose
>>337557762
>mace stun
Mace stuns are from Vanilla.
Noob.
>>337559057
>>337553193
What is Mulgore
>>337559275
Quilboars are hella epic bro
>>337559180
So your beef is with one item.
Mace Specialization and weapons with stun procs were not introduced in TBC.
See The Unstoppable Force.
Newb.
>>337556667
absurd shit like that retribution talent that made flash of light instant cast and made it heal for 50%
the retardness that was season 5 dks
the wizard faggots in the next seasons hitting for 15k shatters and 9k chaos bolts
further on, lolmourne warriors raping healers in 3 globals
wotlk was the beggining of the end, at least for pvp
>>337560069
>absurd shit like that retribution talent that made flash of light instant cast and made it heal for 50%
I remember that. It was called Art of War I think.
>>337559832
Mace stuns were never a problem untill TBC or considered a problem. You mention mace stun to any real WoW player that was really playing it and they think of TBC. Rogues were super popular at the time and 90% of rogues were mace speced for PVP, it was everywhere.
>>337560069
>Forgetting about rld, rmp, atc and wmd being perfectly fine comps among other non spellcleaves.
Name me an expansion with less arena bullshittery than WotLK and I'll remind you of how retarded you're being.I only played the last patch of cata, so I don't know much about its situation
>>337551967
They made an MMO
>>337560560
They were not introduced in TBC you mongoloid.
>>337551967
Activision
>>337560069
>>337560381
That's still in through Cata mop and WoD, It's called selfless healer, everytime they cast a Successful Judgement it reduces the cast time and mana of your next flash of light by 35%. I think they are losing it in Legion
>he never spent hours wiping to brutus and listening to the pleas of the shitty DPS as they begged not to be kicked from the guild
>>337553193
That's a weird way of reminding him of Elwynn Forest being the best starting area.
>>337560947
Selfless Healer is something similar but entirely different. Art of War Flash Heals were way too strong.
>>337551967
the lore
kael'thas had literally no reason to side with the demons.
illidan going insane just to be a raid boss was also completely fucked up
>>337560845
No one gives a shit about pig stick because it hardly ever happened, mace stuns were never a practical thing till TBC. And if you think otherwise you did not fucking play TBC.
>>337561152
Ahhh, I get what happened so they removed the healing aspect of art of war and made selfless healer?
>>337561272
>mace stuns were never a practical thing till TBC
lol
Literally everything
>obsession on MUH BALANCE in MUH RAIDS and MUH ARENAS, resulting in things like blood shits on horde, cross faction paladins and shamans, therefore destroying the integrity of the game and heinous lore rape, castrating fun and unique talents like illumination
>flying mounts fuck up everything, world design becomes pointless, moreover "flying" is literally just swimming in air, not fun at all
>daily quests, among the worst piece of shit design choices plaguing MMOs, recycling "content" artificially to give players pointless busywork they must do
>speaking of recycling, "heroic" shit is putrid garbage, destroys the integrity of the game world, every place has a million different "difficulties" resulting in very artificial and "videogamey" feeling; before, a dungeon was a single defined and balanced setpiece
>soulless loot, literally just + to numbers your spec must stack, soulless money (badge) grinding instead of a loot roulette ala diablo 2
>dungeons are soulless loot corridors
>creates the trend of trying to force every boss into becoming an "iconic" character, with pointless, repetitive, cringeworthy quips during battle and minute-long dialogues when they die
>throws the entire world the game had been built around into the trash, and forces the endgame into a small new continent where every previous endgame element has been artificially recreated and which will be again discarded in the next expansion, an insane cycle of running in a hamster wheel and wasted content, disconnects the earlier levels from the endgame completely
>power creep, inflation as the game goes on and on and artificial gold sinks to reduce it, again an insane cycle of adding things that will inevitably have to be removed later
Only scratching the surface
>>337561272
While it's true that mace stun didn't win you any fucking Nagrand Arena matches in vanilla. Mace stuns were not implemented in TBC, and therefore it does not apply to this thread of what TBC did wrong.
Imbecile.
>>337551967
I liked everything about BC except for the fucking Sunwell Raid. Every Gear looked the same, the design was lazy and the lore so pulled out of the ass.
HURR DURR SUNWELL WAS MERELY A SETBACK 5man dungeon.
I mean the dungeon was great and especially the group boss was really fun but FUCK WHY Zombie Kaelthas?
Still enjoyed the shit out of that content patch. Isle of Quel'danas was the greatest thing ever. Running around with 1 or 2 friends having the alliance form a raid to deal with us.
>>337551967
Blood Elves
Linear shit dungeons
Anything related to Caverns of Time
Arena Esports faggotry
Pretty lame endgame outside of raids until Isle of Queldanas
Most zones were ass
>>337561648
Kael'thas didnt come back as a zombie, he didnt die when you "kill" him the first time
He yells into shattrath city after you defeat him
There's literally nothing wrong with arenas.
>>337563470
So they did not start their entire recycling bullshit with kaelthas you say?
>>337564810
Read the lore behind him
Its part of the story, he survived and brought kil'jaeden into the sunwell
>>337565234
it helps if you've played the game rather than read wowwiki. priestess delrissa found his corpse and impaled the fel crystal sticking out through his chest to revive him.
>>337553332
Horns. Crystals,Hoofjobs
Couldn't stand Outland itself and didn't care much for most of the dungeons.
>>337551967
Nothing? It was literally the best expansion WoW ever produced.
It was also the height of WoW. It was never any better than TBC.
>>337566534
I think you meant wotlk
>>337565912
Did YOU actually play the game? He literally yells into shattrath "you failed to finish the job"
He doesnt yell "someone stabbed my corpse with a magical crystal so here i am"
You fucking idiot
>>337566707
Wrath of the Lich King was utter garbage.
My guild farmed Naxx so many times it made half of us quit the game.
>>337567168
>this game sucks cuz my guild did this a lot
>>337566707
>You live in a time where Wrathbabbies actually think their opinion holds any weight
>>337567261
No. It sucked because it had literally one raid zone for a long ass time with nothing else for guilds to do.
Wrath was a shit expansion and TBC was miles better than it.
>>337554427
You hear what happened to Illidan lately.Naruu turned him to the light, he a super paladin demon hunter now.
Lots of flaws and some bad shit in it but it's the overall best expac. The nostalgia from just thinking about TBC is making me want to cry.
>>337554767
Tons of complaints, I was so mad it was cut early. Zombies were the funnest shit, you could take over a city by yourself by corrupting the guards.
>tfw you will never team up with zombie alliance at the crossroads and rape orgrimar.
It got funnier when the timer for turning into a zombie got lower.
>>337567328
Yeah, one that was so huge it was split into 4 different patches
It was a good raid, youre just a big baby
>>337567552
>split into 4 different patches
Uh you talking about Naxx son? That was put in fully when Wrath was released. It was the only raid zone for like 6 months.
>>337553256
Probably this.
>>337567642
Did you even actually play lich king when it came out?
Each quarter was released seperately just like ice crown citadel
>>337567642
It wasn't the problem that it was the only proper raid(Malygos was better anyway), it was garbage because it was so easy
You could kill bosses in green and most of people finished it in first 2 weeks
>>337567768
>Each quarter was released seperately just like ice crown citadel
Did YOU play? Cause that didn't happen at all. The entire thing was playable at Wrath's release. Hell, they didn't even change anything from when Naxx was in vanilla.
>>337556660
>spent a whole evening climbing the outer wall of Winterspring
What was I even thinking
>>337567858
Youre obviously either trolling or youre retarded and dont know what youre talking about
Either way youre fucking dumb
>>337568181
Fine. Link the patch notes where each wing was added separately.
>>337568260
Sorry cant, on my phone and im with my child cuz im actually doing something with my life, im sure youll understand some day
>>337568452
Tell your wife's son I said hi.
>>337556197
the last raid of the expansion should be extremely hard, otherwise you have nothing to do besides grind the same shit over and over again until the next expansion in a year
>>337568452
>doing something with your life
>making up stories about a 10 year old game on a singaporean picnicing forum
>>337568452
So you have absolutely no proof.
Right.
I thought so.
>>337568593
>making up stories
Prove me wrong
>>337568489
He says "oh shit waddup"
>>337568609
I dont see you posting any proof either anon
>>337551967
>flying mounts
>paladins/shamans for both races, removed the uniqueness of both sides
>rehashed models
>boring dungeons, but at least the heroic modes made them actually challenging
>daily fucking isle
>arena gear didn't have unique models
>no legendary weapon quest chains
>it was merely a setback
Other than that, pretty fucking good. They managed to keep linear raid progression in the game. Although the later badge of justice items were a bit too good, but I guess blizzard wanted everyone to experience tier 5 and parts of tier 6 before WotLK.
Also a lot of content on release. Tier 5 raids and Black Temple were some of the greatest raids Blizzard ever made. Perhaps The Eye was lacking in some departs, but at least Kael'thalas fight was great.
>>337568756
http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Patches/3.x
Patch notes for every patch of Wrath of Lich King, showing Naxx was never added by wing but rather was available in its complete form from day 1 of Wrath.
>>337568689http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/15/naxxramas-world-first-by-twentyfifthnovember/
Wrath of the lich king released on the 13th of november btw
>>337568881
Everybody look at the tryhard and laugh
Zul'jin was killed off. That's what went wrong. Horde could use him right about now.
I got the free WoD + 7 days a little while ago. How likely is it that a GM will give me 30 days gametime if I just straight up ask for it? Will talking about coming back for Legion (and how I want to prepare alts for it) help my case? Should I make up some issue about my account then slide in some mention about game time instead?
>>337569010
>I was only pretending to be retarded
>>337569158
Glad you know how dumb you are
>>337568970
>Naxx
>Hero
Naxx only came in 2 flavours, 25m and 10m not heroic.
>>337569201
I'm not the moron who was making up stories of Naxx being released a wing at a time.
>>337569324
10 man was Standard.
25 man was Heroic.
>all the petty bickering in this thread
nostalgiafags truly are the worst
Everything apart from dungeons & raids. Fuck outland, fuck it all to hell.
>>337569329
Patch notes can be forged
Experiences can not
>>337569674
>Patch notes can be forged
Yeah uh huh.
Fuck off retard.
>>337569720
>not even debating anymore
>caught in his lies
>>337556361
>>337556275
I actually like the draenei, stupid sex dimorphism aside. I just wish that they being so faithful to the light was depicted more as close minded who can't accept other religions and don't believe in gods, only in powerful aliens, instead of being goody 2 shoes.
>>337570001
We already proved you wrong.
Fuck off retard.
>>337570280
Wow good one
You didnt prove shit other than you know how to open word document
Flying mounts and welfare epics.
>>337570842
I don't get the problem people seem to have with flying mounts.
>>337570959
Flying mounts makes people immortal. You're not subject to danger (other players) when travelling, and if you do manage to die, it has no consequences (being camped) because you just run back to your corpse, mount up and you're suddenly untouchable.
World PvP was one of the absolute best aspects of WoW and flying mounts killed it.
>>337571282
You still had world PVP in the old world. You couldn't use flying mounts in old world during TBC.
>>337571282
Your post seems to imply people only played on PvP servers and not PvE ones.
>>337570959
For the first few months people thought of flying mounts as a tool to get to events, places, world pvp or happenings faster so were great. But after a while people started to view them as a tool to avoid everything and as such took a lot of the early WoW community feel with it.
>>337571417
WoW community is the worst thing about WoW.
>level cap increase
>>337571473
Bigger numbers = better
>>337571448
It is now, but while it's never been awesome early WoW communities for many servers was heaven to now. In that there was a community, now none.
>>337571370
It was still relatively fine because shit still did go down in Azeroth, but you didn't have things like Vanilla Blackrock Mountain happening with 40v40 raids clashing. The relevant content was almost entirely hosted in areas where players could fly, and WPvP suffered a lot for it.
>>337571389
Your 2 minutes of convenience here and there aren't really worth a feature as significant as WPvP being totally nullified.
>>337554889
>"""Wotlk kids""" complained about a pre-expansion event before wotlk was out
You want to try that again pal?
>>337570959
makes world PVP obsolete, makes adventuring feel less like an adventure if you can just swoop by and kill that one named mob you need for your quest. Makes a world that felt huge feel tiny. Not to mention capital city eye pollution when every single person is on a dragon.
>>337571648
except WPvP didn't even exist at all for most servers
>>337571473
110 is such a ugly number. Just keep it 100 and give us other reasons to quest. This way you should also be able to lower the increase of Ilvl on stuff.
They should stop coming up with expansions and produce quicker single tier content and build on that.
>>337571925
40-50% of the population played on PvP servers. You don't enjoy WPvP, that's fine. Deal with taking an extra minute to walk here and there though.
Imagine if PvPers wanted to get rid of your favorite feature, whether it be pet battles or LFR, all for the sake of a tiny convenience on their end. That'd be fucked up, wouldn't it?
>>337572175
PvPers do that all the time when they fuck up classes, spells and fun for the sake of their autistic competition.
>>337572662
This.
PvP has, on too many occasions to count, fucked up the PvE balance just because some faggot complained about one class being OP in PvP.
>>337572175
while I support you, people bitching over PvP balance deffinetly affected PvE raiding as well. I remember life tap being nerfed at one point in TBC because it was too powerful in arena or some shit.
>>337572175
or, you know, have flying mounts only in PvE servers
>>337551967
Flying mounts needed to have a slower maximum speed, and the ability to dismount other flying mounts to keep world PvP alive.
Arenas caused a massive split between PvP and PvE that has persisted to this day.
There needed to be more reasons to go back to Azeroth.
There needed to be a cap on the number of blood elves, holy shit.
It was close to perfect, for an MMO anyway.
>>337567768
>Each quarter was released seperately just like ice crown citadel
Erm, what? Naxx was fully playable from day 1 of the expansion.
>>337568874
>boring dungeons
shut your whore mouth. Shattered Halls, Shadow Labyrinth, Arcatraz were some of the best fun I had doing dungeons since BRD.
>>337573225
Don't start that argument again.
We BTFO'd that anon proving him wrong but he just keeps saying we faked patch notes and "world first" announcements.
>>337573379
man, shattered halls was agony
trying to avoid pulling an extra group of mobs was a pain in the ass
I loved it.
>>337572662
>>337572860
When I was big into PvE, class changes for the sake of PvP balance didn't really affect my enjoyment. You're not in direct competition with other classes, so a slight change to a utility spell really has zero impact.
>>337573083
I'd be fine with that personally, it still doesn't change that flying mounts take away so much from the game and add essentially nothing.
>>337573225
Another person that didnt play wotlk on release
>>337556660
Fucking this. It was a minor issue in the grand scheme of things, but it was symptomatic for the game becoming more sterile despite or perhaps because it became more competently designed at the same time.
>You'll never be able to troll your entire server's Horde faction by attacking the hidden troll village NPCs again.
>>337573751
They add letting you ride a dragon.
You have to be dead inside to not have a part of you that wants that.
>>337574340
It was novel. Now I don't care. It's swimming through the air.
>>337551967
>Recently bought a 60 day card after getting WoD for free
>Want to get gear, "rare" mobs everywhere hand it out for free
>Get to 100, go to dungeons
>Its all AOE cleared
>Get enough gear to do heroics
>its all AOE cleared
>Get enough gear to do LFGs
>Its all AOE cleared
>Meanwhile the final zone gets you ez raid-level epics
When the fuck did this game become so easy?
>>337551967
Level cap increase
>>337551967
Flying mounts but other than that it was pretty fuckin sweet
>>337559180
the glory days.
I miss it
>>337574675
>LFG and Tanaan are your barometers for playing WoW
you are the cancer
>>337574976
>wanting to be in a guild
I'm not subbing to this shit again
>was a PvP resto shaman during TBC
CUT MY LIFE IN TO PIECES
>>337551967
Pros
>Horsecock Draneis
>Belf shitting up the horde
>those godly starting areas for the new races
>Arena and resilience to separate pvp casuals from people with actual strategy
>Heroics
>Emblems
>Engineering googles
>Prot Paladin, Feral Druid, Sub Rogue, Shadow Priest, Lock, Resto Druid, Warrior, Ele Shaman, all buffed.
>spec specific gear for all classes.
Cons
>Flying mounts
>paladin didn't exist in pvp still
>TBC launch day
>can't wait to play muh Blood Elf because fuck yes best race from TFT
>Make my elf
>Intro narration
>fuck yes can't wait
>"As one of the few remaining Blood Elves."
>Right as I start to load the THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE in the starting zone
>So many people, they don't even have to move off mob spawns
>Everything dying so quickly the server can barely keep up the minimum spawn levels
>Finally get to Silvermoon
>It's half destroyed still
>No Kael
>Learn later he's a raid boss
>No redemption or explaination
>Just a worse version of Arthas' m"uh corruption" story
>Muh Sunwell Patch
>"Sweet, the Sunwell!"
>Kael brought back all fucked up just to kill him again permenantly
>Sunwell restored by Draenei because why not
>Sunwell restored
>Literally and canonically no reason to drain demons for fel energy anymore
>Blood Elves should now be tapping into a font of pure light based magic
>No flying in all of Quel'Thalas
>Fast forward 9 years later to today
>Still no flying in Quel'Thalas
>Still no integration of Quel'Thelas/Azufemyst Isle into Azeroth proper despite all previous expansion content being wrapped into the base game
>No mention of any progression of the Sunwell's restoration affecting any part of the storyline (aside from the small part in the Quel'Delar quest)
>Demon crystals still everywhere
>Fel green still a huge BE motif
I'm still mad. It's like they took the Blood Elves badass storyline from TFT and just shat all over it for WoW.
Oh wait I just described every storyline from WC3 compared to its progression into WoW.
Shit game desu senpai desu sempai.
There's a reason HotS uses Warcraft heroes almost exclusively from their circa WC3-era appearances.
giving horde fucking elves and giving alliance tailed tentacle fucks
also new continents are bad ideas. They should've just revamped the old world and added new areas.
Like why they waited till cata to release hyjal just to have it a shitty preclude to MC 2.0 is beyond me
>>337574675
Didn't AOE clearing start in WotLK?
>>337551967
Reminder that Nostfags are literally Goobergate 2.0.
Nothing went wrong in BC, as it advanced WoW and helped shape it into the epic adventure known as Legion.
>>337576703
yes.
>Rogue got fan of knives
>SPriest got mind flay
>Paladin
>Cat Druid and Boomkin got aoe
>>337551967
Faction exclusive classes rolled into the new off faction races.
>>337576329
HotS is terrible
>>337557232
agreed its boring but after lv 10 in the bloodmyst ilse or w.e. the dreanie questing becomes the most immersive ever but BE place is still better cuz its OVERALL better
Why are people so angry about the draenei? yeah, I get they were retconned from W3 but it's a minor retcon compared to other stuff, like female nelves being able to be druids
>>337575756
Ret didn't exist in PvP or PvE. I remember not having resilience on our gear until S3 or so. I also remember people making fun of it and Prot in trade chat. It was so bad people had armoury profiles of Hyjall/BT prot tanks on standby so they could immediately point out it's doable.
I think certain profession bonuses were a good touch. I loved being able to finally craft my Stormherald after neglecting mining and blacksmithing in Vanilla.
>>337577558
They werent just going to remove a class because of a gender, lore or not that would be bad business
>>337577558
were female NEs even said to be unable to be druids?
Or it's just that the wc3 models had only male druids?
>>337577558
They hatehorse cuck futastealing all their women.
>>337578206
>>337577558
http://wow.gamepedia.com/Druid_and_Priest_Statue_Set
>>337556275
What did they managed to change for Mists of Pandaria to allow them back in?
>>337579845
creative bankruptcy
I advise everyone to watch this which proves BC was the golden age of WoW.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g75YgZL-HuI
No single expansion is to blame. Things just went to shit gradually, like for example flying mounts(BC), dungeon finder(WotLK), raid finder(Cata) and Transmog(Cata). i didn't really play in MoP and WoD so i have really nothing to say about those two.
>>337581514
What's wrong with transmog?
>>337582132
Can't tell how powerful another player is based on appearance. You can also obtain a uniform aesthetic while staying viable without getting your BiS set.
>>337582457
>Can't tell how powerful another player is based on appearance.
Looks at his healthpool
>You can also obtain a uniform aesthetic while staying viable without getting your BiS set.
And this is bad because
>>337582457
...all of which is bad because?
The only thing that comes to mind is that you can't look at an endgame dude and thing HOLY SHIT I WANT TO HAVE FULL DREADNOUGHT TOO SOME DAY! However that's a problem with the multiple difficulty raids and not transmog.
>>337582602
Looking at the healthpool takes more than just a glance at their character model. It's also not indicative of their achievements.
A uniform aesthetic is desired by many players, it should be a prestigious reward that motivates people to play the game more by working for it in difficult raids.
>>337580394
Fuck off, Preachcuck
>>337583118
>A uniform aesthetic is desired by many players
Many players desire to look good, which tier set often doesn't do. Also, looking good often requires effort and working to get the stuff you want to look good.
>>337578212
What's wrong with their pupils? Are they both blind? Is that why she's licking her?
>>337583295
The draenei is trying to find the genitals
>>337583275
>Many players desire to look good, which tier set often doesn't do
They all look 1000x better than pic related which was the only alternative if you wanted to stay capable/viable.
>Also, looking good often requires effort and working to get the stuff you want to look good.
Not nearly as much as it used to. You had to farm a full tier set from the most recent raids to look good in Vanilla-Wrath. Alternatively you could reach a high rank/rating in PvP and farm tokens/arena points for PvP gear. You can buy a full set of uniform gear off the auction house or farm old raids that you can clear in 5 minutes for your tier sets nowadays.
>>337583767
>They all look 1000x better than pic related which was the only alternative if you wanted to stay capable/viable.
Maybe if you like the wow motif of spikes and shite.
>>337551967
Blizzard listened to their fans too much and added too many convenience features for the sake of convenience.
Cutting out a bit of the tedious shit is nice but they overdid it and now the game basically plays like Farmville where you press a few buttons and have everything done for you. You can do literally everything from your garrison or a city and that's just not how an MMO should be. You should have to go out into the world to get things done, not sit in your garrison waiting for a queue to pop. The worst part is that these features are either required or so good/lucrative that you'd gimp yourself by not using them.
Basically they tore out the soul of the game (player interaction) to make things more convenient for players without thinking of the consequences.
>>337583123
Hi Totalbiscuit.
>>337584052
Fuck, thought this was about WoW in general and not TBC.
TBC was the GOAT expansion. Almost perfect.
>>337583843
>Maybe if you like the wow motif of spikes and shite.
It blows the alternative out of the water. And some of the sets are bitchin, let's be real.
>>337561536
>Mace stuns were not implemented in TBC
Nothing went wrong, until they released welfare epics and starting dumbing down the attunement system even though it was easy to begin with.
>>337584295
They should have made it account wide as I think the only reason why they took it out was because people hated doing the attunment quest on their alts.
>>337584132
What?
Totalbiscuit and Preach are both diehard Blizzcucks. If cancer wasn't killing TB he probably would have a natural death by chocking on Blizzdick.
>>337577048
didn't help the aoe balance was shit in wotlk and nearly as good as single target even for 1-2 mobs
>>337583767
xmog is more pandering to casuals/autists, it gets way more dev time that it should
>>337584295
Attunements were a necessary evil in a way. They were tedious in terms of getting your guildies and alts up to speed on raid content but they also ensured that people were always running dungeons and heroics so people making pugs never had to wait long.
They also functioned as a casual filter.
>>337556275
Wouldn't it have made more sense to give the Horde Pandaren and the Alliance Blood Elves?
>>337560761
As a 11 year fiery fan of WoW... I must say I agree.
>>337584673
>xmog is more pandering to casuals/autists, it gets way more dev time that it should
It only gets so much dev time because they have to go through every piece of armor and weapon individually and arbitrarily decide what can and can't be mogged instead of just enabling everything if you have it.
They keep making bullshit excuses that you can't mog some things because it would look silly meanwhile I can mog two fucking frying pans with eggs on them any time I want to. If they cared about how silly shit looked then maybe they shouldn't have made them in the first place.
Now an absolute waste of dev time and resources would be the selfie camera and twitter integration, or their abortion of a voice chat system that didn't even fucking work. THAT was a waste of their time.
>>337567287
this
>>337586375
What's truly a waste of time is the fact that they create each raid and it's rewards 4 different fucking times to make sure every dumb cunt on the retard spectrum is represented. Surely that has to contribute to the 14 month long content drought.
>>337586971
Pretty much. I don't know how they thought that players would want to run the same treadmill four times to progress in their game.
I miss the BC model where you had easier raids like Gruul's and Kara and then tougher raids like Tempest Keep and SSC and onward if you wanted to be serious about it. I remember being casual during the school year as a kid and grinding Kara til vacations when I could get serious and do the rest. Shit was amazing. Probably helped that Kara was an absolutely massive raid that could be done in a million different ways if you wanted to.
>>337587718
>four times to progress in their game
No, you run heroic on the first 2 weeks and then progress in the mythic only
While in the wotlk(best raid experience according too many retards) you was forced to run both 10 and 25 ppl every fucking week
>>337551967
they put a picture of kid rock on the box
Arena
Nerfed raids to 25
Stat inflation
Dailies
Linear leveling
Av nerf
Beginning of relaxed attunement
Flying mounts
Neutral main city
New continent making the old one useless
Welfare epics
Raped the lore
Corridor dungeons
The sad part is tbc was the best expansion
there's literally nothing wrong with arenas
>>337584295
>welfare epics
The irony. Because you had to be receiving welfare from the government in order to play this shitty game 15 hours a day and raid. The 1% of the population that got to raid and beat every single boss were probably all scamming welfare and poopsocking and pissing into bottles.
>>337589232
>Beginning of relaxed attunement
Yes, Naxx attunement was so hard to get...
And AQ40 one, oh wait it didn't had any
And BWL one was easier than any BC ones
>Stat inflation
Yep, you are retarded, stat inflation didn't started until wotlk
>Welfare epics
ZG and AQ20 says hi
Why people who obviously never played back then always try to say their worthless opinion?
>>337589771
t. triggered wagecuck
>>337589771
You decide your own level of involvement anon. If you can't handle a game that takes time and effort, you have other options. Clash of Clans, Call of Duty, LoL, etc.
>>337589771
Or they just played the game more than you did.
Not everyone needs to access all of the content or even deserves to. I never raided BT or ICC when it was current content and I didn't care. The content I did have access to was good enough for me and if I wanted more I could have put in the time and effort if I wanted to. You didn't need to poopsock or on welfare to be a hardcore raider. I had friends who raided top tier content when it was current and the only thing they had going for them was they were still in high school at the time.
