The original Doom is not really that fast. Monsters and weapons are actually much slower than in most other shooters. They are so slow they can never even follow you into another room. It's just that running is game breaking - it's too fast.
Also Doom was designed to be played with keyboard keys. 99% of normies back then played it with a keyboard and didn't use "run" button. That way it's almost as slow and clunky as Killzone 2.
If you take away the cheat running, the Doom is slow as fuck.
hexen on hardest difficulty with fighter is the true GOTTA GO FAST game
can we keep talking about hexen?
The most ideal iterations of the doom formula have shown the necessity and beautiful integration of action and speed like no other games in history
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RElfXigIe4c
>If you take away what made the game fast, it's slow.
Jesus.
You are a dumb motherfucker if you think people who could be bothered to set up DOS 20 years ago never managed to find the run key (which is mandatory to progress during several points of the game).
Clearly you're a console kiddie and you've been playing the this game for only 2 hours.
>>337516710
You run as fast as your rockets. Enemies as slow as shit. It's obviously a design flaw.
People who pretend to know what they're talking about talk about how fast Doom is, but for folks actually old enough to have played these games at launch, it's common knowledge that that was very much a Quake thing.
Basically, shitposting children gonna shitpost.
>>337517015
DOOM is faster than Quake.
>>337517193
Not even close.
>>337516979
It's not a flaw at all when there's tons of enemies heading towards you and you need to maneuver around them
>>337517193
That's such a simplistic statement. What exactly is faster about it? The run speed, certainly. What else?
>>337517193
>he never fought a shambler
No. Running speed is slower, but enemies are much faster.
>>337516979
The late game areas are packed with enemies. Endgame DOOM was a 3D bullet hell, Anon. It's not about the speed of the individual monster. Fucking retard.
>>337516375
>If you take away running, the game is slow.
No fucking shit, genius. Are you faster when you run instead of walk?
The whole point of the run being so fast is to avoid the onslaught of shit that can get thrown at you from hitscan weapons to the Cyberdemon's Rockets. You would understand how important it is if you played it on ultra violence.
Also, I WAS a normie when DOOM was new and absolutely used the run button because, guess what? Both shift, ctrl and alt keys had the same mapping as the other key and you have two hands.
>>337516375
>Also Doom was designed to be played with keyboard keys.
>>337516375
>99% of normies back then played it with a keyboard
I'm pretty sure no "normies" played PC games in 1993
>>337516375
>99% of normies back then played it with a keyboard and didn't use "run" button.
Blatantly untrue. Mouselook was a capability of Doom from day 1.
Also, most normies didn't make it very far past Episode 1. Why does their opinion dictate the state of mechanics?
Doom had a very low learning curve, but a very high skill ceiling.
>>337516979
>It's obviously a design flaw.
Why is it a design flaw?
Enemy speed is not the only factor to take into account, anon. Doomguy is vastly outnumbered in all iterations, most of the later enemies have far more health than Doomguy, and damage output.
This is some retarded shilling, Bethesda. You should pay your guys more. Better incentives are needed here.
>>337517334
>That's such a simplistic statement. What exactly is faster about it? The run speed, certainly. What else?
Brings up a good point. Quake is faster than Doom in some aspects, slower than others.
Arguing over whether or not a game is "fast" or "slow" isn't entirely subjective, but you have to be very specific on what grounds, definitions and terms you are arguing.
>>337517275
Yes, it is. That's a fact, not opinion.
>>337517334
>What exactly is faster about it? The run speed, certainly. What else?
Pretty much everything. The only thing really fast I can think of from Quake is the fiend enemies.
Here's some footage from Quake, an actual fast game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmiC8oYr4ik
And this is how Doom typically played:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoDBTdQffFw
>>337517715
>quake 3 "were back to the tech demo again"
fite me book.
Quack 3 Arena is the best Arena shooter of all time.
>>337518032
>e:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmiC8oYr4ik [
>The first level of the bad part of Final Doom
Now that's not fair.
Why is it so common for /v/ to be right, but still unfair?
>>337517715
I don't even like Q1 that much but saying that it doesn't have a good SP and Q-fucking-2 does is retarded. I mean, Q1 shambler shits all over every single one Q2 enemy.
>>337516375
>HURRR DOOM WAS NEVER FAST THEREFORE EVERY OTHER GAME NEEDS TO BE SLOW EVEN THO SLOW IS FUCKING PATHETIC STOP COMPLAINING YOU SHITS
total faggot
Doom had faster singleplayer. Quake had faster multiplayer. Quake singleplayer probably would be faster if they were able to cram more enemies on screen and didn't have to compensate for it with higher hp.
>>337517715
>such as Valve, which developed Half-Life using the Quake II engine)
this is 100% untrue. Half-Life was developed on GoldSrc, which was a Quake I-descended engine. Also, all the reviews for Quake when it came out were extraordinarily positive.
Whoever wrote this must've been talking straight out of their ass.
>>337516375
Maybe on the two lowest difficulty levels, but UV mode is clearly designed around running.
>>337517715
>Pretty much everything
Such as? Soldiers are slow, imps are slow, imp projectiles are slow, pinkies are slowish, cacodemons are slow, cacodemon projectiles are slow. Lost souls dash quite fast and barons walk at a brisk pace but outside those the enemies are more like a classic zombie horde that is slowly ut surely walking towards you. The point isn't so much that the enemies are quick, it's that there's so many of them and you need to manage them. Being able to move fast is one tool you have
Here's a nice video talking about the enemy designs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuOObGjCA7Q
>>337518159
Written after Romero was out so a they wanted to shit on him.
How's the darkplaces engine for Quake? I'm not a graphics fag but I'd want to play it with a twist
>>337516901
DOOM 1 you don't need to actually run to beat the game, not sure about 2 or the expansions.
>>337516375
Fast does not refer to movement speed, but the pacing of the game.
A game can be quake-fast in movement but can still be slow paced.
>>337518625
I think that's what I used a few months ago, it's good. Doesnt do anything fancy, just makes the game look higher-res
>>337518389
>Lel how's it fast again?
>Lemme just post a video that talks about how DOOM enforced 'quickfire thinking' and describes it as a bullet hell.
>B-but it wasn't fast! Individual enemies were slow!
>>337518625
It's ok, just make sure not to use any graphics enhancements other than high resolution, AA and AF. It ruins the atmosphere.
>>337517715
What a horrid paragraph. Q1's frenetic pace shits all over Q2.
>>337516375
Put fast monsters on and watch those Pinky Demons zip around!
>Doom isn't fast
>it's too fast
make up your mind faggot
>>337516979
you don't run as fast as the rocket you dildo, unless you wall run which doesn't count
>>337518748
>>337518809
I wanted to try some HD textures and high poly models, how's the perfomance?
>>337518389
Quake is full of slow enemies too. As if those all those zombies, knights, gunner dudes, chainsaw guys, and flying ghost things are super speedy. They're hard to avoid because Quake is mostly about confined spaces and corridors. The only fast enemies are the dogs and a few monsters. That's it. The running isn't faster, but it has the illusion of extra speed because you can jump which makes it easier to dodge shit.
>>337518804
The same quickfire thinking is true for Quake
>>337516553
>Fighter is naturally faster than Doomguy
>proceed to give him the Boots of Speed
>>337517715
>(such as Valve, which developed Half-Life using the Quake II engine)
i must be autistic because this sentence pissed me off more than the rest of the page
>>337519158
>Castle of Greed
>Boots of Speed
>Fighter
>Straferunning
>Jumping
GOTTA GO FASTER
>>337519037
So I guess the tempo of the fights are about the same in the two games
>>337517715
>Half-Life using QII engine
>All that slander of QI
Fuck that guy.
>>337519037
Knights are total assholes, fiends are fast as fuck and shamblers run towards you and attack relentlessly.
>>337519338
Shamblers are fucking brutal.
>>337516553
>the true GOTTA GO FAST game
That would be Tribes.
I like that the first thing said in the game is rip and tear.
>>337516375
>If you don't play the game fast, it's not really fast!
No shit. It's also the exact same case with DOOM 4. If you play it fast and use the controls it was actually designed for, then it's as fast as in the Nvidia footage. If you're touched in the head like OP and decide to play it slow with the worse control option, then it's as fast as the Polygon footage. The same case stands for the original DOOM.
>>337519495
Shhhh anon, the plebs want to feel like their game takes skill
>>337519495
That was an early development bug they decided to keep and base the rest of the game around.
A happy accident.
>>337519309
>tfw str and dex
>>337519757
Too bad the same can't be said about you.
>>337519689
>Cuts out at the end instead of showing a blue plate special
So he missed then.Using two grenades is not very hard to do to go fast
>>337519819
Rude.
>>337519819
God DAMN
>>337519827
That nigga was gonezo bro, I was good enough to get one shot on him at leastIS THIS WHAT YOU WANTED ANON?!
>>337519338
>>337519418
fucking spawns i swear to god
jumpy ass motherfuckers
>>337516979
>Enemies slower than fucking ROCKETS
>its a design flaw, t. professional video game design expert
fuck this thread. This whole fucking thread is 14 year olds who never played Doom (1995) or understanding fucking ANYTHING about the effects of the hardware of the age.
>>337519819
What is your nationality?
>>337519757
Which is a good thing. A sign of a good developer is being willing to accept good aspects and recognize when they have something amazing on their hands.
Of course, they weren't a good developer considering what happened to Tribes. But it was still a happy accident.
>>337519945
That is exactly what I like.I don't really find the going fast in T:A too hard to do, I always felt the blue plate specials is where all the skill is actually shown
>>337519993
>Doom (1995)
>effects of the hardware of the age
>>337516979
>One of the most highly praised shooters of all time
>Design flaw
>>337519945
It's not really the same as Quake fast. It's like saying flight sims are fast. You don't get to test your reflexes and endurance here.
>>337520185
Its the fast blue plates that really matter. Come for the fast, stay for the specials
>>337516375
The player runs fast and has to deal with bullshit like Chaingunners and Revenants
>>337520185
I was so proud of myself the first time I got a blue plate special
>>337517193
>he never played MP
>>337520461
The original Doom did not have chaingunners or revenants
>>337519495
Suddenly, Nostalgia.
>>337520317
True story, but I used to use quake live to warm up for tribes however.
>>337517715
That actually made me mad, Q1's sp is far better, holds up to this day. No one likes Q2 sp.
>>337519495
Tribes was much more sanic than Ascend though.
>>337519993
>This whole fucking thread is 14 year olds
>Doom (1995)
>>337519993
>understanding fucking ANYTHING about the effects of the hardware of the age
Are you going to tell us how the game ran slower because the hardware wasn't good enough again
>>337516375
>Also Doom was designed to be played with keyboard keys.
Me and most people I knew didn't start using m+kb up until Quake, but the game had mouse support right up from the start.
>mfw I accidentally discovered you can use mouse to aim
>mfw you proceeded to literally melt everyone else in multiplayerthen everyone started copying you
>>337520703
>No one likes Q2 sp.
I do, more than Q1 actually. It's objectively bad, though.
>>337518224
The new game isn't slow, stop pretending you've played it.
I'm with OP. Idon't know where this "Doom should be fast" meme comes from, but I've never saw the original Doom as a particularly fast paced game, unless you were doing a speedrun. The technology back then just didn't allow that kind of gameplay in FPS, simple as that.
>>337521264
Q2? It's not bad, it's just... bland and lifeless. Pretty average overall, but kinda fun for the most part.
>>337521328
>I'm with OP.
*I'm OP.
Fixed that for you.
>>337521328
>The technology back then just didn't allow that kind of gameplay in FPS
Do elaborate
>>337521586
Nope
>>337521847
No mouse support and "semi"-tank controls (strafe was a thing, but it wasn't perfected and not nearly as convenient as in today's games). I can't see how could you rush like a maniac while obliterating every single enemy on sight just by relying on such a slow control design.
>>337522157
>No mouse support
How many times must this be proven wrong in one thread.
>>337522157
>No mouse support
>>337522157
>No mouse support
See >>337517630
>>337522264
Doom had no mouse support when it came out, anon.
>>337522363
Read the fucking thread, this has been proven wrong like 10 times now.
You've demonstrated you know shit about what you're talking about, so leave and go fuck yourself.
>>337522363
>The instruction manuals provide a tip that recommends using the keyboard and mouse simultaneously, saying "the mouse provides fine control for aiming your weapon (allowing you to smoothly rotate right and left) [...]".
>>337522281
>>337522491
MODS
O
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>>337516375
>video game myths "doom is fast"
>running is game breaking - it's too fast.
probably just kill yourself.
>>337522491
Doom had mouse support, but nobody knew it was a thing until years later. People played it with keyboard like they did Wolfenstein 3D.
>>337517630
What is this, a tweet for ants?
>>337522680
The fucking instruction manual and default setup have the option
The first time i played Doom on DOS i fucking used the mouse & keyboard, after admittedly trying it with keyboard at first
>>337522680
moving goalposts.webm
I'd ask for proof of your assertion, but you've already shown you know fuck all about anything.
>>337522680
>nobody knew it was a thing until years later
>manual recommends it
Sure.
>>337522762
I somehow ended up saving a thumbnail and I honestly can't be bothered finding it and saving it correctly. It's readable, anyway.
the thing about threads like this, is that most people here are not actually 40 years old and played doom1 in college
so most people are ignorant, and any time you prove them wrong the conversation ends
the only continued conversations are the ignorant people screaming at each other
btw oldfag here, doom1 was played slowly because it was genuinely terrifying at the time, but it had the potential for high speed, which quickly became the defacto in LAN deathmatch, you played WSAD+mouse with run 'on' or you got fucked
>>337522786
No, he's actually right. Almost everybody used to play doom with keyboard only
What's with all the revisionism in these threads?
>>337522772
That's because you weren't born when it came out. Otherwise you would have known that not every PC had mouse in 93. You didn't need mouse to use DOS.
>>337522871
>most people here are not actually 40 years old
>btw oldfag here
What are you doing in 4chan?
>kicking ass on your local BBS
good times, y'all are faggots most likely but I can't be pissed to read the thread
https://twitter.com/romero/status/473587688977596416
Might as well kill yourself.
>>337523090
Shills trying to make nuDoom look better, obviously. If they can convince people that old Doom wasn't actually that fast, then that's one less criticism that will be thrown against nuDoom.
>>337523147
>implying Romero knows shit
>>337523090
on /v/ people will act intentionally obtuse or make up shit based off anecdotes just to further a point
>>337523092
are you fucking retarded? you know there were other operating systems besides dos int he 90s right? what year were you born in? fucking 2000? I had a packard bell in 1992 that had a mouse. every one had a fucking mouse in the 90s. just shut the fuck up.
>>337523129
40 will come much faster than you realize
I like to keep track of what young losers are doing and thinking
you've met typical old people right? do you want to be one of them?
>>337523283
Adrian, I know you're upset that after pouring your heart and soul into a plot and setting about how evil John and his VR bullshit is, Romero backpeddaled and now wants to make a demo.
But shut the fuck up.
>>337523092
>93
>not having a mouse
What the fuck? How poor were you? How poor ARE you?
>>337523129
>AMAGAD 40 YEAR OLD ARE ONLY SUPPOSED TO WEAR KAHKIS AND GOLF SHIRTS
>>337518854
This. Pinkies are one of the deadliest monsters on fast monsters.
>>337522976
True as well, but it did have mouse support on launch.
>>337523314
>I had a packard bell in 1992 that had a mouse
Such a special snowflake :)
>>337523512
my whole point is that it ISNT special you fucking newfag
>>337523496
IT'S PINKYS
>>337523350
>I like to keep track of what young losers are doing and thinking
You must hate your life so much, anon.
>>337523653
>WOW THIS GUY IS DOING WHAT IM DOING WHAT A LOSER LOL
>>337522857
>lol mice actually didn't exist back then believe me im an oldfriend
I bet you faggots didn't even take off the ball below to play with it
>>337517715
The fvck? I played through Q1 a few months ago and it was one of the best FPS games I've played. It's fast and the mouse control was perfect. And the harder difficulties kicked my ass in.
>>337523831
Thank you, kind Anon. Saved and replaced.
>>337523512
So you admit you're wrong then?
>>337523763
Being 40 years old and lurking 4chan is unacceptable. I bet your wife is riding a huge african cock at this very moment.
>>337523868
I did, cause you had to clean the shit every day or so. But still played Doom with keyboard. And Duke. Nobody was aware you can play with mouse.
>>337524015
I'm probably going to lurk 4chan at my forties. I'll probably be single, too.
>>337524015
>being x years old and using the internet is unacceptable
This is how you sound like
>>337524028
>Nobody was aware you can play with mouse.
Your retarded ass isn't everybody.
>>337517659
That depends, in Europe PC gaming was pretty mainstream at the time everybody I knew had a computer of some sort.
>>337522871
>Was 5 when Doom released
>Didn't give a single fuck about all the demons and hell imagery.
>Meanwhile all the cartoony aliens in the Commander Keen games scared me shitless.
>>337524015
Jokes on you faggot. I'm not the 40 year old. Im 30. My wife is cooking me dinner.
>>337524161
Yeah but you were still nerds
>>337524118
Your diaper got wet again, grandpa
>>337516375
It's funny that you felt you needed to explain this now, instead of any time this past decade. Gee I wonder why that would be?
>Proven wrong
>Start shitposting
Everytime
>>337524257
I'm not that guy, I'm 25. Your point of view is just dumb
>>337524335
He knew he was wrong. His first post was the shitposting.
>>337522157
>I was too stupid to change the control options from default so the option must not have been there
AYYL M A O
>>337524335
It's really fucking funny, though. He seriously thought we'd buy his fake story.
>>337524403
THE DIAPER, GRANDPA
>>337524316
Gee I wonder too why everyone is talking of Doom. Why would they? Must be shills.
>It's just that running is game breaking - it's too fast.
what the fuck/10
Please commit honourable suicide.
>>337524612
I can't hear what you're saying son
>>337524675
I SAID YOUR DIAPER GOT WET. GO CHANGE.
>>337517579
That's a good way of putting it. Enemies that use projectile attacks that you can actually dodge is a defining feature of a Doom-style shooter. You just don't see it at all in modern games because muh realism.
>>337520754
>tfw 1995 was 29 years ago
>>337519945
what game is this?
>>337524976SHAZBOT
>>337524876
>projectile attacks that you can actually dodge
It's kinda dumb how fast the fireballs are in the new Doom. They knew people won't be able to dodge them consistently so they just made it so the balls fly in your general direction instead of your exact position
>>337516375
You're wrong and your thread is shit.
>>337524948
Who won the election in 2016?
>>337525407
McCarthy
>>337524230
Well I sure was but pretty much every other boy had some contact with PC games like Doom, Quake or Hexen it wasn't a nerdy hobby at all, unlike learning over 100 latin names of dinosaurs but that's a different story.
>>337525660
>it wasn't a nerdy hobby at all
Yes it was, just accept that you were all a bunch of nerds you stinky nerd
>>337519338
man those Shamblers gave me nightmares.
>>337516375
>Doom was not fast
eat shit dude
>>337519557
>If you play it fast and use the controls it was actually designed for, then it's as fast as in the Nvidia footage
It's not fast like that at all you memeloving fuck.
>>337519557
every single thread someone references this nvidia video
the game logic is locked to 60hz...in the video they unlock the framerate and the game is actually running faster than it runs
it is never that fast. nor should it be...doom was never about the pursuit of fast. the gameplay doesnt feel anything like an id software game which is a much greater issue
>>337526571
>doom was never about the pursuit of fast
LOL
>>337516375
Boy Zenimax is getting desperate, it's really hilarious to be honest. Here's a (you) though mr.marketer/normie. Get that 10cents a reply.
So should I play the original doom? Any mods I should get for it?
>>337526973
Brutal Doom should be your start.
>>337526973
Go to /vr/ and download the "So you wanna play Doom" 2gb zip
or download GZdoom and go to tinyurl /doomiwads and put the wad files in the GZdoom folder
>>337527079
>Brutal Doom
>>337518625
Extremely solid. Runs SP and almost any SP mods flawlessly with huge framerate as long as you're not using realtime shadows.
>>337527272
What's wrong with that? It's pretty great
>>337527124
>2gb zip
>of doom
no, absolutely not. this is the most ass-backwards way to approach shit like this.
you dont need fucking 2gb of wads to play doom. you dont need ANY wads
fucking 2gb...doom is 14mb if i recall correctly
>>337516689
almost cut myself watching this
>>337526973
>mods
Holy shit you faggot just play the original first
>>337526973
This is an old version, I'm sure someone has the latest one
>>337527450
I'm asking because mods fix a ton of problems for most games.
Is there a repository of old Q1 mods anywhere? Some of the shit people pumped out back then was rad as hell.
>>337527625
>I'm asking because mods fix a ton of problems for most games.
please dont play doom. stick to your "most games"
thanks
>>337527578
i have the next version up, dunno if that's latest though
my personal recommendation for anyone who's somewhat disinterested in vanilla doom is complex doom, it's super great.
>>337527359
Not for the first Doom playthrough you sillywilly.
>>337527578
>>337527745
hurr durr image didn't attach for literally no reason
>>337527692
nah
>>337527625
>>337527975
Thanks anon
>>337527975
>missing the point: the image
all you need is final doom wad
>>337528126
and then i'll play it on the sourceport i don't have. It's a idiot infodump guide to stop idiot questions.
the whole point of the image is to describe the basis of sourceports, iwads/wads, gameplay mods, ZDL loaders and Multiplayer. You're the one missing the point.
Nothing's stopping you from just downloading the Doom IWADS from the tinyurl and running them in GZdoom.
>>337525660
it definitely wasn't cool in america. still isn't really
>>337525118
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