This is the man who fucked over the entire human race to save a little girl.
This is a quality thread truly worth posting in.
Funny enough, he also belongs to the most overrated video game ever made.
>>337454190
GEAMS r ART now
>>337454190
They were gonna kill him though. And they werent even 100% that they would have gotten a cure from her. Wasn't there a tape where they said they had lost other patients ?
>>337454190
>this thread again
For the millionth time, those doctors didn't know what the hell they were doing. All that would've resulted from the operation was one dead girl.
>sacrifice Ellie just so the Fireflies can fail to produce a cure again after not even telling Ellie that she'd die
Does this have stable fps on ps3?
I would too.
>>337454190
tips
>The little girl is lesbian and can't birth a child.
>>337454460
If anything, it's underrated.
>>337454190
It should have been a choice at the end of the game
>>337454784
Was there?
>>337455227
Eh, it's not great, it dips quite a bit. If you are someone who can't stand looking at sub-30 framerates then don't get it. But since the gameplay is very slow and methodical I never found myself being actively fucked over because of the framerate.
>>337454784
>And they werent even 100% that they would have gotten a cure from her.
They were. The doc on the tape was ecstatic and called it the greatest discovery since penicillin.
>Wasn't there a tape where they said they had lost other patients ?
No. They say Ellie is like they've nothing they've seen before and are glad that the sacrifices they've made have paid off. Joe lies to Ellie about them having other patients.
>>337455362
wouldn't =/= can't
>>337455636
Thanks, I'll get it for ps4k then.
He did the right thing.
>>337455389
*in /v/
Right, cause a cure was totally gonna fix everything.
>>337455754
This.
Can't believe people missed such a simple message.
>>337455754
Most of the survivors are still white so it would. The world would only be unable to re civilise if there were only african americans left.
This is the man who fucked over the entire human race to save a little girl.
>>337454190
He's a simple man who likes lolis, blowing things up and bricking people and doesn't want his lifestyle to change.
This is the man who fucked over the entire human race to save a little girl.
>>337456156
The actual reason was that he didn't want to lose his daughter again.
>>337454190
>believing that three faggots with limited tech could actually use Ellie for a cure
get a load of this cunt
>>337456157
Brad did nothing wrong. He just wanted to save Buddy from being raped.
Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHJ9QicCGT4
>implying they would have been able to find a cure
They didn't even know if that shit would work.
If you were Joel, what would you have done?
I'd have saved Ellie, too.
>>337454190
>e to save a little girl
he's a pedo fagget -- what did you expect?
>>337455389
>>337455746
It's looked at somewhat objectively on /v/. A lot of people will just shitpost and say it's a garbage 2/10 game, but the rest will actually talk about what it does well and poor. Websites like reddit and neogaf will just regurgitate, rephrase, and summarize all of the 10/10 reviews and GOTY awards it got.
The Fireflies were willing to kill a person without their knowledge or consent in the hopes of a cure.
Joel lied to her too, the whole thing with The Last of Us is "We are all shitty people."
Meanwhile, Joel's brother and the people he's been with have sufficiently rebuilt society in a small scope and even restored electricity.
>>337454460
MEME OPINION ALERT!1!!
If the fireflies actually created a cure or vaccine, how would they go about distributing to the population? What's to say they wouldn't use it to extort and bribe the government, charge exorbitant prices, etc?
>>337456795
I agree, but just as the other websites regurgitae how good it is, /v/ regurgitates how bad it is.
It's a lose-lose situation really.
>>337457001
Much of the discussion that occurs in these tlou threads is decent talk about the game itself or the plot; it's certainly more thoughtful and in-depth than anything I've seen on gamefaqs besides the "this game is shit" rhetoric.
>>337457110
I've talked at length about TLoU with my friends, which frequent reddit daily and have never been exposed to 4chan for more than an hour.
There are sane, moderate people on both sides, best thing you can personally do is not falling into the extremes yourself. Godspeed anon.Also I think Joel was right fuck the Fireflies.
>>337456795
The people that call it average have the biggest bias of all. They do it to appease the people saying it's shit when they know that the game is better than average.
>The Last of Us is practically forgotten outside of Neogaf
TRULY CITIZEN KANE OF GAMING
>>337454190
>fireflies didn't just take Joel and breed an army of fucking apex predators with Ellie
>not giving every Joel Jr a loli sidekick to enhance their innate dad strength and gruff survivalist instincts
>not marching an army of Joel Jrs into every clicker hive and raider settlement in Boston and leaving nothing but ash
MEDIOCRE.
>get to Bills place
>first time playing
>like the characters and their interactions
>combat is the most boring, terrible piece of garbage i've ever encountered in a AAA video game
so does he give Ellie to the Fireflies or not, i'm not finishing this shitty game.
>>337457604
Dude, where is this webm from?
>>337457771
It gets better as you go on, just finish it you fuck
>>337457837
TLOU
>>337457474
It's very average though
>>337457771
Anon please, give it another shot. I promise you Pittsbourgh is so much better. Infected fights suck balls but firefights with humans are so much better and Pittsburgh is fucking full of them. When I replay I actually just start from that chapter because I just love fighting the human AI, even though it isn't as glorious as it was hyped up to be.
People missed the point of the game. All the shit you see other people doing in the world is bad. It shows you all that for a reason. Joel knew that humanity was too far gone and beyond saving
>>337457876
>>337454507
They've always been art you twat.
>>337454792
This.
>>337457771
Yea. Bills is lame. It gets better
>>337455754
>Implying /v/ is capable of understanding even a simple, obvious point unless it's explicitly stated to them.
>>337457771
>>combat is the most boring, terrible piece of garbage i've ever encountered in a AAA video game
What a fucking degenerate
>>337454190
Fuck this game had strong characters.
I didn't even care that they railroaded you into the '''wrong''' decision, because it fit his character so well. They really hammered home that he came to view Ellie as a replacement daughter, and it was so subtle over the course of the game.
>>337456058
Kek
>>337457771
I though that i was the only guy who make that!
>Go to the store
>Buy the shitizen kane of gaming
>The game cover is full of 10/10 "who cares company"
>Put the game in the ps4
>Start the game
>Cool intro
>You daughter die
>You x many years in the future
>The life is shit
>Start the gunplay
>The gameplay is a piece of shit
>AI is terrible for a "remastered"
>Dialogue is stupid
>Stop to play
>Turn off ps4
>Feel cheated
>>337458273
>AI is terrible for a "remastered"
What fucking remaster have changed the AI?
>>337458376
It didn't, fuck knows what he's on about.
>>337458273
>Last of Us discussion
>most people are either highly negative or overly positive about it
>its either 2/10 it fucking sucks or 10/10 fucking masterpiece
If a game has a great story, that will be something that outweighs it's negatives in gameplay.
If a game has great gameplay, that will be something that outweighs it's negatives in story.
Why can't we just admit that it's a solid 8/10? 9/10 story with 7/10 gameplay
>>337454460
not when Skyrim exists
Not a sonyfag or naughtyfag. I have never bought a sony console. I played the last of us at a friends and loved it. It's not the best game of last gen, but it's one of them. Fuck the pallet stuff though
>>337458376
Sorry the AI wasn't remade i've heard that from some comentaries in this imge board but is still a bad AI which don't make the game deserve a 10/10.
>>337458376
I honestly can't understand all the 10/10 ratings. The graphics were pretty decent and the story was engaging, but the gameplay was absolutely horrific. Some of the clunkiest mistakery I ever experienced in vidya. And yes, I played through the whole game.
>>337454190
The human race wasn't fucked in the first place. Joel's brother's group has a civilization. Sacrificing Ellie would have given humanity a better chance, yes. But I think Joel did the right thing.
Honestly, if you have to sacrifice a little girl to (big maybe) help people, is it really worth doing? Part of what makes us human is our compassion. Plus, she's like a daughter to him. Killing your own daughter is a disgusting, irredeemable, and overall inhuman act. Is it really worth it to sacrifice your humanity for humanity? No.
Joel should have told the truth though. Lying was a dick move.
>>337458620
>i've heard that from some comentaries in this imge board
Why don't you image your self out of your samefaging thread then nigger
The game never once justified his actions, instead it emphasized how much he valued Ellie as a daughter figure. In his perspective, Ellie meant more to him than anyone else on the planet.
>>337458558
Some people will argue that gameplay is all that matters and story has no place in a video GAME. Sometimes I agree with them but they make it sound like lyrics in music are meaningless too or writing in movies don't matter.
>>337459048
>But I think Joel did the right thing.
kill yourself you fucking idiot
>>337454190
He didn't do the right thing.
I would have done the same.
Humans aren't programmed to choose their actions based on the greater good for mankind, being selfish is our nature. Those who sacrifice themselves to save others lack the most important part of humanity, the wish for self preservation.
>>337454190
When will people realize the situation wasn't all black and white?
No one bothered consulting Ellie about the situation. The fireflies and Joel wanted to decide her fate for her. We don't know if Ellie would have been fine with sacrificing her life for a vaccine because they didn't tell her anything.
Creating a vaccine doesn't suddenly fix the world's problems. There are still plenty of Infected walking and hiding. Most of Mankind has gone to shit. They're far too gone to be saved.
>>337457771
Ending
>Find the hospital
>doctors about to rip Ellie apart
>Kill them all becasue loli complex
>Running out of the hopstial
>Get ambushed by firefly soldiers
>Suddenly some maniac comes in kicking people in the balls and pulling their grenade pins then tossing them into each other.
>Kills them all
>That one nigger lady shows up
>What the FUCK
>The maniac runs to her, puts her in a choke hold and kills her
>He yells THAT'S your NECK.
>Guy looks like he's seen some shit
>points gun at Joel
>Joel trys to calm the guy down
>Guy is crying/laughing
>Its my fault, its all my fault, I'm sorry guys.
>Joel tells the guy its going to be alright and to put the gun down
>Ellie is still brain dead from the anesthetics
>Crazy guy puts gun to his temple
>I'm sorry Elena
>Pulls trigger
>Joel still trying to figure out what the fuck is going on
>searches dead guy's body
>Finds a journal. It reads "El Dorado" and has a picture of the now dead guy, some girl with a camera, and an old man with a cigar is inside.
>There's also a picture of a gold statue
>Joel reads the journal as his facial expression shows growing fear
>Next scene Ellie wakes up in back of truck
>Whoa where am I?
>Its over Ellie. We're going home
>Did they get the cure?
>No there is no cure. Doctors are complete retards. blah blah emotional dialogue
>Get to safe spot
>Joel are you lying to me?
>No. Would I ever lie to you?
>Ok.
>Joel gets to fuck Ellie for the rest of the apocalypse
>The end.
>>337455640
Im pretty sure they have lost other similar patients but only people who were resistant not completley immune or some shit like that
>>337454190
The human race was already fucked. There was nothing to save.
Let me sum up his decision for you.
>>337454460
It wasn't even the most overrated the year it came out
>You live in a world where Bioshock: Infinite got multiple perfect scores
>>337454190
Did he fuck her at least?
>>337457984
Art is subjective there for art does not exist, only shit taste does.
>>337454190
That's what was great about Joel. He didn't make the noble sacrifice, he selfishly placed what he wanted - his surrogate daughter's life over the extinction of humanity.
The game never sold you on him being a hero anyhow. He tortured people. He slaughtered dozens of other men brutally with his bare hands. There's not a lot of humanity left in Joel outside Ellie.
It was the perfect bittersweet note to end the game on.
>>337465841
But did he at least get to fuck her?
I mean if the rest of humanity's dead they're gonna need to reproduce right?
>>337454190
So.... This is the power if. ... pedophilia!
>>337465841
literally 0 characterdevelopment
>>337454190
Last of Us is good, but not fun.
>>337455754
>>337456026
>>337458057
>one step won't fix everything, so do nothing.
How old are you? Society can't recover without a way to combat the infection. Given the rarity of an immune subject and how difficult it was to gather people who even had an idea of what to do, there will probably not be another chance.
>>337466139
He started out wanting nothing to do with Ellie and tried abandoning her several times. Ending in a place where he was torturing people to find her and sacrificing the future of humanity to save only her life is the very definition of character development you salty PC mustard faggot.
>>337455640
They've had other Ellies before, and they all died with zero progress. Even if it worked a vaccine wouldn't unfuck the world.
>lies to ellie's face afterwards, denying the whole thing
lmao fucking joelfags WILL defend this despicable piece of shit
That whole "cognitive dissonance" shtick they were trying to pull between the player and Joel was already done before in Spec Ops but because this wasn't an army shooter, brown and bloom, and featured women and gays it's 10/10 best thing ever.
>>337454190
>implying most of 4chan wouldnt just to rape her later
This website needs to be nuked.
humanity had it's chance.
>>337458558
The problem is the gameplay itself is highly divisive. Nobody really thinks it's amazing but there are some people who think it's irredeemable shit and honestly I can see where they're coming from.
The problem is that ND had a very specific idea of how the game was "meant to be experienced" and that idea is tonally dissonant depending on how seriously/realistically you take the premise. They bill the game as this "mature" bleak struggle for survival in a post-apocalyptic wasteland but in reality the game experience is a lot more like Uncharted in that it constantly puts you in absurd situations that would be flat-out unsurvivable in reality. If you try to approach the game realistically you get punished; after all the fanfare about resource management and difficult to impossible-to-kill enemies I valiantly tried to hardcore stealth my way through the game, avoiding everything and everyone and it just led to failure and frustration again and again.
In particular I remember retrying for probably an hour in the room just before you rescue Ellie, trying to stealth past the dozen or so guards, and finally getting to the doors only to realize they're literally scripted not to open until the room's been cleared out. To add insult to injury two guys suddenly spawned on top of me because they didn't think it was possible to get to that point without alerting someone.
(1/2)
>>337457771
After Bill's the game becomes less of "just another zombie game" and I think that requires some praise.
>>337454190
Sorry anon,he saved is pseudo-daughter
Humanity had it's chance and failed horribly
>>337458558
>>337467023
Basically the game is designed for someone whose primary gaming experience is with games like Uncharted who aren't used to hardcore survival-horror/stealth mechanics. The resources are "scarce" but as you use them enemies miraculously drop more just as you need them; enemies have difficult-to-avoid detection zones, but that's because you're supposed to get caught and fight them off sequentially rather than "jump ahead" and get swarmed by a dozen guys at once. It all simulates a kind of stylized, visceral experience of "survival" while lacking much of the realism and subtlety of actual survival.
Does all that make it bad? Well, I'd hesitate to say that exactly, but I do feel comfortable saying it probably doesn't make it exceptional or even good. Above all, the biggest question you have to ask and the real most divisive issue is to what extent ND deserves to be taken to task for ostensibly "promising" one thing and delivering something else. Say what you will about Uncharted, but its premise, marketing, design -- everything -- is unabashedly stylized and over-the-top; there's no ambiguity about what you're getting. TLoU promised a more "personal" story about "survival," which ended up creating ambiguity and thus the potential for disappointment.
(2/2)
>>337461759
>>Joel are you lying to me?
>>No. Would I ever lie to you?
>>Ok.
She was clearly seeing through his bullshit though.
I thought that was the meaning oft the ending - Joel and Ellie, two hurt and distrustful individuals, cautiously building up a friendship and then Joel destroying everything by lying to Ellie.
>>337466749
The problem with TLOU and SPOPS is that you literally have no control over the development of the characters or the story.
The game forces you into one direction and concludes the story basically without considering your input or your thoughts.
Thats why those games aren't liked by many people, because they try to force "dem feels" on us, while actually failing very hard at that
>>337466746
hot damn that's a rare Evans
>i lost my young daughter due to this apocalypse and know how deeply traumatic and hurtful that was
>that's why i'm not going to fix this apocalypse and make sure this happens thousands of times to other people over and over again :^) no, i haven't considered my own brother is at risk of losing everyone he loves too
>humanity is terrible and not worth saving, have you seen all these cannibals and military juntas?
>now i'm going to live with my fellow humans in a perfectly fine settlement with decent people :^) no i haven't considered none of them are immune and will therefore most likely fall anytime
>>337466359
It's not a viral infection though, it's a parasite, it would eventually die off on its own and people would eventually come out of the quarantine.
It's not even that infectious really, gas masks are enough of a precaution to get people through the most infested places.
If she's immune, she can procreate and generate immune offspring, thus repopulating the Earth with humans that can't be infected
He made the right choice
>>337467081
>humanity had it's chance
These statements are so painfully dumb, they hurt to read. Humanity is fine, it survived the outbreak, it learned how the spores spread and it knows how to combat it. There's still even a functioning society and government, there is absolutely nothing to suggest humanity is doomed/going extinct.
>>337454190
He did nothing wrong.
>>337467362
There is nothing inherently wrong with a linear plot.
If anything, giving the player choice in the story would've detracted from it's focus.
>>337462961
>>337466410
No. I finished the game again last week, with 100% items. Read and listened all of them and it's very clear Ellie is unique. She's the only immune they ever heard about.
>>337468086
You should try the Zero Escape games where choices actually matter in the story.
>>337463804
Except replace "strangers" with "the entire fucking human race".
>>337468274
You can't kill what's already dead. There was no "saving" humanity because humanity was already fucked.
>>337455461
Yes there was
They flat out said they had people like ellie before but never could derive a cure from them
>>337454190
>implying human kind is worth saving
>>337468274
>>337468348
People please>>337467606
The fireflies are just being dramatic, there is no danger of the human race going extinct, instead it's been only a few years and it's already been proven that the parasite has a relatively short life cycle.
People just need to hide for a while longer.
>>337468217
I've played 999 a while back, got ending B.
I'd say that Growlanser 4, with it's 40-odd endings is a great example of freedom of choice in vidya, and a great game, but that doesn't mean every game needs to be that way to tell a good story.
>>337468348
Thats not how humanity works you utter fucking retard
>>337468871
Its been 20 years since the outbreak though
i would have fucked the little girl over the entire human race
so what
>>337454190
He did good.
Human race was already fucked to begin with.
>>337454190
Are you absolutely fucking dumb?
Letting some run of the mill thugs cut up a girls head won't get them closer to any cure at all.
>>337467606
>it would eventually die off on its own
Not while there is life to sustain it. Did they even explain how the spores spread or how they ended up in random places? why could you wait out this but you can't do that for real world parasites?
>gas masks are enough of a precaution to get people through the most infested places.
You saw that not work out during the game.
Rage virus zombie cliche is so fucking overdone.
Why are people still doing it?
>>337469527
Because it's action-y. Nobody is having fun shooting at slow, lame zombies. We need some threat level.
>>337469246
>You saw that not work out during the game.
I remember going through such places with a gas mask on and coming out fine, even after coming in contact with infected, It's been a while since I played the game though.
>Not while there is life to sustain it. Did they even explain how the spores spread or how they ended up in random places? why could you wait out this but you can't do that for real world parasites?
Real world parasites don't need to be waited out because they're not really that dangerous, ther'es no point comparing game world and real world, but I'm just saying we never see the parasite in anything other than humans.
>>337469527
It's not a rage zombie virus at all, it's a fungus parasite that grows on people's brains and takes control of them.
There's a real life example of this by the way, not on humans of course.
>>337469943
It's the same fucking trope
>hurr infected
>hurr become murder machine
>hurr bite others to get them infected
>>337470285
Well sure, it's a popular thing but you gotta give em credit for a decent execution at least.
>tfw nobody tells me if they fuck or not
Guess I know the ending now.
I tried this game recently but got bored shortly after leaving Bill.
I feel like I should've played it when it came out, it feels like a clunky slideshow at this point.
Why hates TLOU?, its a great game after all. Well, it is true that not innovates in the mechanical and has already seen before, but is a good game and charismatic characters. Fuck you /v/.
>>337470757
You got to play past Bill to get why people laud the game. They shift from zombie focus to the bad human focus up until the end.
>>337454190
So would the majority of /v/, /a/ and a few others.
>people discussing whether or not it was possible to save the world and shit
You guys do realize Joel didn't gave a fuck about that right? Joel lost a daughter once and just when he's gotten a new one who changed him back to his old self, people want to take that away from him again. Even if there was a 100% possibility to save the world or even the universe by killing Ellie, he would have acted the same, it's the whole point of the game.
>>337459379
The entire game justifies his actions. The old world is gone, and the new world is a violent, graphic place with few pockets of decent people. During Joel's journey he encounters significantly more people who are more than willing to kill him and Ellie indiscriminately and without provocation, for reasons such as hording supplies (Pittsburgh hunters) or food (David's town cannibals). And that's not even counting the horrible shit he must have seen in the 20 years since the infection broke out. Humanity is gone, it's an example of how all that separates us from being just as violent as the infected is the rules of society.
In Joel's eyes humanity as a whole is not worth saving, because humanity as a whole is selfish and greedy. It all comes down to people on a person-by-person basis. That's the great paradox at the end of the game: Joel's selfish decision echoes the state of humanity as a whole in the 20 years of TLOU's infection.
Besides, the doctors in the Firefly compound aren't even 100% sure they can get a reliable cure from Ellie since they've had people like her before and it never worked. Joel would have saved her even if it was a sure thing, so there was no question for him when he learned it might not even work.
> can't cure people who have turned
> people who haven't turned live in walled cities and know how to protect themselves
> infected eventually become trees and die
> "We need to kill this little girl so we don't have to use gas masks where there are spores"
>>337469795
>Real world parasites don't need to be waited out because they're not really that dangerous
Even if it could be done (It can't) you are talking about comparatively tiny settlements "waiting it out" with limited resources and a target on their ass. The majority of people would be left unprotected, scavenging and/or raiding.
>>337459379
The whole second half of the game was about how humans were nuts.
>>337468274
>the entire human race
>not strangers
I got some news for you.
