What's the equivalent in terms of 1v1 power level to a standard space marine from every faction
chaos is the obv one, just a standard chaos space marine.
what about orks? a Nob?
Eldar
Dark Eldar
tyranids
Imperial guard lol
'Ard Boy/Nob
One of the Aspect Warriors
Whatever the Dork Eldar equivalent of Aspect Warriors is
Whatever they have that's between a Termi/HomoGaunt and a Hive Guard
Stormtrooper
Space Marines in the games are supposed to be the faction with well-rounded heavy infantry that make up the core. As far as balanced ranged/melee prowess goes it's going to be harder to find equivalents for every other faction
The average CSM is probably more experienced than the average SM mind you, though plot armor makes them punching bags
A standard Ork Boy is about five Boys to a single Space Marine, dunno about the rest, I believe a single Eldar is equivalent to a single Space Marine.
>>337454732
A Nob will kick the shit out of a standard Space Marine
>>337455451
>A single Eldar
That's not how this works, son.
>>337455872
A single Eldar is a war machine in close range, as is a Space Marine, they work in different aspects, but they are very similar in standings
>>337454061
>chaos is the obv one
Chaos Marines are better than their loyalist counterparts, anon.
1 on 1, the Space Marine will have the shit beaten out of him.
It only starts getting equal once you start adding figures to these as Chaos guys lack any sort of proper organization or discipline whereas Space Marines don't.
>>337456002
>A single Eldar
Again, you don't know how this works. You are implying all Eldar are identical and equally skilled and powerful. A Guardian would be destroyed by a Space Marine. An aspect Warrior, like a Striking Scorpion or a Banshee, on the other hand...
>>337456306
Why'd we get the screaming faggots instead of these tossers
>>337456306
Which is why the whole topic is "standard"
If we want to get into unknown variables, I could say the same thing about Terminators, or Librarians, or Captains, or Chaplains, or a Chapter Master.
>>337455789
pretty sure that's not the case m8.
How powerful is Custode in comparision with a regular Space Marine?
>>337454061
There is a big difference between the games and the lore.
In lore 10 spess marines can kill hundreds of orks
>>337455789
In close combat yes, however a space marine can shoot him several times before that if he's crossing an open field.
>>337454061
The whole point is that marines are expensive m8. They might be worth 2.5 guardsmen each, a necron and half or three quarters of a nob, but finding even a single unit that's 1:1 identical will be pretty hard.
All I can think of are are chaos marines, they're pretty much the same.
>>337456718
I think a custode is on a par with a space marine captain.
>>337456631
It is the case, your average Nob is probably 8-9 feet tall, bristling with even more muscle than a normal Ork, and has a nasty streak a mile wide. Usually wielding some kind of chain axe or power klaw, which would split a Marine open like a tin can, usually they have a good amount of combat experience as well, to have survived long enough to become a Nob, and are very hardy. Thats not even getting into Power Armor Nobs.
>>337456571
A standard SM is already a elite op force.
There are just 1000 SM in one chapter.
>>337456718
Custodes are bigger and stronger than Astartes. They're more like smaller Thunder Warriors than bigger Marines, though.
They also operate in completely different ways
>>337454732
a stormtrooper = a space marine?
>>337454732
The Aspect Warrior equivalents of the Dark Eldar are elites, like Trueborn, Scourges, Incubi etc.
Also, Terma- and Hormagaunts are literal cannonfodder. Tyranid Warriors are closer equivalents of Marines (and arguably superior warriors than Marines are).
>>337456306
Guardians are equally skilled in combat as marines are m8.
>>337457442
no
guardian gay
all eldar is gay
mariners better in every way, especially lack of gayness
>>337457442
>in-game stats
You can't be serious. A Human being claiming to like Warhammer 40,000 can't be making the post you are.
>>337456128
>>337455361
so is a standard CSM is better than a standard loyalist marine?
what from Chaos would be equivalent?
>>337457256
Not really, but the thing about the Guard is that they're able to field the fellas in numbers. At best, those guys get bionics for things like enhanced reflexes, but nothing Astartes-grade.
Another comparable bunch from within the Guard would be the Ogryns, but those guys tend to suck at using guns.
>>337457654
the way you think is dreadful
what it must be like trapped inside a mind like yours
>>337457256
Stormtroopers are the absolute elite of the Imperial Guard, the best armed, equipped and trained of all non-augmented human forces.
The standard issue Hellgun is closer to a Space Marine's Lascannon than it is the regular Lasgun of the rank and file Guard
>>337457551
Something being gay is just your opinion senpai.
Statwise, Eldar Guardians are just as good shots, and equally skilled in wielding a blade, as Marines are. They also hit first in melee, because they are faster.
>>337457602
Those stats are fluff accurate m8.
The Eldar are superhuman beings, even their civilian militia are extremely good combatants. The Eldar are a race of genetically engineered warriors, just like the Orks are. Old ones made the Eldar to fight against Necrons after all.
>>337457954
And it still isn't near the level of an Astartes. A himan is still uman, an Astartes is that elite human taken above and beyond.
>>337456901
well lorewise a space marine could kill hundreds of guardsmen, nobs and tyranids but the tabletop can hardly have that scaling. I mean a few thousand marines can clear up a planet system and regularly do. In tabletop its basically two of anything else is a match for one marine (two necron warriors, two nobs, two tyranid warriors, two dire avengers).
>>337457654
the warp is a strange place. while the SM might be 10k years old in real time, only a week might have passed in the warp. They have severe logistical issues because of no mechanicus and their mutations are a mixed bag. Having a penis hand doesn't make you a better fighter.
Also they do drugs in the warp instead of training for the most part.
>>337458198
what about lore wise what would be the equivalent?
>>337458460
Another Space Marine
>>337454061
>CSM
A Chaos Marine is a hardened asskicker but their gear tends to be inferior. Overall I'd say they might have a bit of an edge on a standard loyalist SM. But that's before taking into account the blessings and mutations of Chaos.
>Eldar
This is a hard one, given the fact that Eldar soldiers choose a path with strict standards of training, equipment and battle doctrine. Physically, every Eldar is incredibly fast and agile, but obviously their specialization might put them at a disadvantage in a straight up gun/sword fight. If I had to pick one, I'd just go with the Dire Avenger as a 'standard' pick. Or perhaps a Striking Scorpion.
>Orks
A Nob is a good matchup for a Space Marine. Your standard ork boy is already pretty strong but is pretty inferior in terms of skill/training.
>Necrons
The closest would be an Immortal but they're at a disadvantage in close combat.
>Tyranids
There isn't one - Warriors are outright stronger, lictors are faster, genestealers are just plain meaner.
>>337458460
maybe a smart bone'ead
>>337457954
A space marine has the elite training + superhuman abilities that the storm trooper lacks.
And he has much better armor.
The bolter is also muc hstronger. Its not a assault rifle. Its a assault mini rocket launcher.
>>337456718
The Custodes don't really do shit unless Daddy Emps really is fighting off horrors of the warp from the broken webway
>>337458565
Bone'ead's are only just capable of spelling their own name
Genius level intellect for Ogryn but dumb as a box of rocks compared to even the most backward dung flinging Feral World recruit
>>337458076
>Those stats are fluff accurate m8.
Not him, but stat lines are not an entirely accurate indicator of in-universe capability. Unless you want to argue that Sergeant Harker could beat a Space Marine in an arm wrestling match.
>>337458743
but they are cute though.
We aren't discussing space marine's intellectual capacity, which is immense but directed towards combat tactics.
>>337457954
Stromtroopers are definitely hardcore, but they're still inferior to any Space Marine.
>>337458824
>stat lines are not an entirely accurate indicator of in-universe capability.
True, and I am not even arguing that Guardians are as good combatants as Marines are. However, they are on Muhreen skill level in regards to shooting and melee, even in fluff. The advantage Marines have is that unlike Guardians, who are basically civilians with some combat training, Marines are professional soldiers who have been indoctrinated for fighting.
>>337458987
they are more like genetically rebuilt soldiers brainwashed into fighting.
>>337457654
An individual chaos space marine is stronger than an individual loyal space marine due to mutations/experience/blessings. But a squad of loyalists are better than a squad of traitors due to improved training, modern wargear and a stronger bond. Every chaos space marine wants to kill his superior to take his place, whereas a squad of loyalists is a well synchronised killing machine.
>>337457602
>You can't be serious. I just... Wow... Wow. It's 2016! It's LITERALLY 2016. Come on. Wow. You can't seriously think that. Wow... just wow...
Make your point or shut the fuck up, butthead.
>>337454061
why do people like warhammer
i dont understand
im not trying to start shit i'm just honestly confused about how adults could blow money on this fictional world that doesnt seem that special
like i know all these fat metal dudes who yell "blood for the blood god" and shit
they're nice guys but
>>337459227
Also discipline. CSM are more likely to fucking wet their steel pants when things don't go their way, the selfish fucks.
>>337459318
same reason why people like tolkien.
yes ME isn't special compared to it's derivative works for the most part but it is a coherent world.
Warhammer is completely opposite. It is a pastiche of several things from the 70s and 80s blended together and ramped up to 11. It is a fun universe to base a wargame in, unlike lets say Star wars or Star trek
>>337455872
>what is a harlequin
>>337459227
>a stronger bond
>>337459318
Reality is fucking boring. For an example, did you ever did fitness? You need to work your ass off really hard to gain anything worthwhile. Yea maybe it's satisfying at first but then you realize it's a tiny little gain that changes fucking nothing. Everything in life is like that. So power jerking fantasy fiction like Warhammer 40k is fun to discuss, way better than /pol/ discussions, or anything related to normalfag's problem.
>>337459318
It's like star wars for heterosexuals
>>337459318
>doesnt seem that special
Elves, orcs, undead and knights in space in the furture isnt special?
Everything in wh40k is based on fantasy (Except Tyranids and Tau)
>>337459543
A fragile glass canon that, if it failed to murder the Space Marine squad in hand to hand (which it can do, but not likely) it will die from a punch to the face.
>>337458893
Ogryns are actually stronger than Marines. So they can easily tear them apart, limb for limb. But raw strenght doesn't matter if the Marine will score like 5 deathblows with his melee weapon before the Ogryn can even get his hands on him.
WFB>W40K
This is a FACT
>>337460058
>WFB got shafted due to not making as much money as 40k
This is what facts look like, anon.
>>337460046
Worse, the Marine can just engage the Ogryn in a shooting match.
>>337459952
A single Harlequin is more than a match for a single Space Marine, mate.
>>337459543
my waifu
>no qt space clown to make you laugh.
>>337454061
Pretty much anything with an anti-tank weapon. A single lucky Guardsmen carrying a shoulder mounted launcher and Krak missiles can reasonably expect to disable or kill a Space Marine.
Fluff wise they are amazingly durable and powerful, but they can't really stand in open warfare against a trained army- they just don't have the numbers. A full company of Marines can shock-assault a world and knock out all of its command stations and take the beachheads to allow for mass landings... but it takes the Guard (or Chaos cultists) to actually take the whole world and hold it.
Space Marine homeworlds tend to have huge PDF forces for a reason- they also tend to be better trained and equipped than Guardsmen would be and, being Marine fiefdoms, the Guard has no ability to tithe soldiers from that PDF.
>>337459492
>It is a pastiche of several things from the 70s and 80s blended together and ramped up to 11. It is a fun universe to base a wargame in
good ass answer anon. thanks for giving context; i didnt realise how old it was. i thought it was just some super edgy shit from the early 2000s that people never learned to let go of
>>337459781
are people like you actually real
>>337459781
>>337460443
What do you even mean?
>>337459318
This is interesting to talk about since Warhammer has solidified itself as my favorite sci-fi setting these past few years.
Firstly, I don't play the tabletop. I honestly don't have the money for it and I think I wouldn't be interested, no I get my dose of Warhammer from the Black Library novels.
Honestly what I think I like about 40k is how epic and grand in scale it is, alongside the large amounts of narrative it has. Like someone already said, and I've actually heard this before: Liking 40k has some sort of correlation to liking tolkein, and I did like the Lotr movies.
And I guess the shorter, shameless reason is that it appeals to my inner boy with its sci-fi badassery raised to 11.
>>337460443
Nah, Warhammer is waaaay older. Goes back to Rogue Trader, which came from the same era and mindset that gave us Judge Dredd. Which is why if you want to trigger Warhammer fans talk about how Space Marines were ripped from Starcraft.... when Starcraft was originally going to be a licenced Warhammer 40k game but the negotiations fell through.
Should I play dawn of war 1 or 2 first? I want to play them both immensely but if certain campaigns are necessary predecessors then I'll play them first
For the first game I have the base game, dark crusade, soulstorm and winter assault
For the second I have the grandmaster collection or whatever it's called that has all the dlc and shit (including chaos rising, the original and retribution)
I'm only playing for singleplayer
>>337460058
You mean Age of Sigmarine?
Do eldar not reproduce? Why haven't they started a new empire why is it a big deal if they lose a eldar?
They make a big deal out of it in the games if one of them dies
>>337460721
No I mean "the age where Kislev wasn't btfo"
>>337457097
wut
how big were thunder warriors?
>>337460749
Because when they die, if their soul does not have a wraithbone soul stone thing to enter, it is immedately eaten by Slaanesh. They don't build a huge empire again because they don't want to out-breed their ability to replace wraithbone. Its a morality thing.
>>337456718
They're chumps, actually.
Latest Black Library book had a Shadowseer kill dozens of them, solo.
>>337460694
DoW 1 is a standard rts with base building and massive armies.
DoW 2 is squad based with no bases.
If plot matters, its chronological with release.
Both are good in different ways.
>>337460749
dark eldar literally grow by the dozen in test tubes.
If an eldar dies, their soul gets eaten by slaanesh. so they need soulstones to preserve their souls. Since they are a rare commodity, they have to be very very careful.2908
>>337460975
spirit stones aren't wraithbone.
>>337460749
Because if they're not careful their soul is scooped up by a chaos god and tortured for all eternity. I believe it's less "no reproduction" as it is "if we have uncontrolled reproduction chaos will feast on more eldar souls."
Also the last time they had uncontrolled reproduction they accidentally created a chaos god so there's that as well.
>>337460975
why cant they make more wraith bone. or a better way to hold souls.
>>337461101
Are they not? I thought it was all the same ball of stuff. Either way, I know the soul stuff. I mostly read Imperial Guard stuff, never got into the Eldar novels.
>>337456718
1v1 is massively in the Custode's favor.
But the bigger the numbers get, the more advantage the marines have.
Custodes are trained to be individualists, and do their own thing most of the time. Not to mention the Eternity Gate is basically made to reenact the Battle of Thermopylae. Chaos had to bust out the Gal Vorbak to match the level of 1v1 assrape the Custodes could dish out.
Marines the exact opposite, and are trained to act in perfect unison with their squad.
>>337460749
They do, but it's supposedly a long process. But that's not the problem. Every Craftworld Eldar must wear their Soulstone which will protect their soul from being devoured and tortured for all eternity by Slaanesh. The only way of getting Soulstones is to travel to their Core Worlds, which are in the Eye of Terror. So at best you have to fight off some Daemons and ressist the temptations of the Eldar ghosts still haunting them, at worst you have to break through Chaos Space Marine ambushing you alongside their warbands and Daemons. Or the worst case scenario, Chaos Eldar decide they want to fuck you up. And that's not even mentioning all the bad shit you can encounter on the way there, in the Webway or real space.
>You will never be a member of Deathwatch
>>337461069
Don't exagerrate, a Shadowseer and a Death Jester killed 12 of them.
>>337460942
They're the Proto-Space Marines, not necessarily bigger, but they're stronger than Astartes and unstable to boot. They're the guys the Emperor used to conquer Terra.
>>337456631
A Nob will completely destroy an Astartes in close quarters combat. If this wasn't true then the only Ork capable of fighting an SM would be the Warboss, which is bullshit. Nobs are bigger and stronger than the average Astartes and usually kitted out in heavy armour, power weapons and bionics.
>>337461508
Aaah right. Didn't he pull a 'you have outlived your usefulness' on all of them?
>>337457954
In the fluff isn't there only like 10,000 Tempestus / Kasrkins?
>>337461227
they are both made from the warp, but SS are found only on crone worlds whereas bonesingers manipulate the wraithbone with their singing.
>tfw no qt bonesinger turned banshee waifu
>>337460942
They were basically mortal primarchs.
>>337461724
She'd sing to my bone alright.
>>337461459
>12
Definitely more than that.
>>337461834
>inb4 the autist who wants his eldar to look like Ayylmaos
have another one. a qt soft faced space elf
>>337461787
Aren't you exaggerate their power?
>>337461682
Yes. But a bunch still survived and engaged in minor actions during the Great Crusade and the Horus Heresy.
>>337462050
>eldar with freckles
>>337462050
>>337461724
HIT 'EM 'ARD ENOUGH AND ELDAR TURN TA PASTE
>>337462030
Vangorovich mentions the dead Death Jeaster and twelve dead Custodes, 4 of them lying around the Death Jester. Not dozen, twelve.
>>337458076
>Something being gay is just your opinion senpai.
no, it canon
eldar gay is lore and in every codex
mariners better
>>337462302
You should go back and reread it, then. It went more like
>rey and bho run into one group
>kill them and move on
>run into another group
>kill a few of them to get past
>get to the gate guarded by titans
>get bogged down by custodes and have to stand and fight
>bho gets killed, while rey fights on
>she surrenders
Simply going by the 12 that Vangorich saw, then there was definitely more than 12 dead Custodes, because he didn't mention the ones killed before the first set of gates, let alone how many might have not been dead near the Death Jester.
So I'll concede that it might not have been dozens but it was probably something like 20-25.
They're still chumps.
>>337458076
I dunno if elves being gay is an opinion anon.
>>337461589
A Nob can't aim for shit, though. A Space Marine dumb enough to not outshoot an ork warboss is not doing his job right. Marines are faster though, so a Space Wolves or Blood Angels might kill a Nob in h2h with their insane amount of attacks. If they fail, they'd get krumped, though.
>>337462190
Nope. Well, maybe a little. Some renegade Thunder Warriors tried to escape a prison. Emps sent the War Hounds AKA the World Eaters after them.
The basically naked thunder warriors killed the shit out of them. They still lost in the end, but for every dead thunder warrior, there were six dead World Eaters.
They're strong as fuck.
>>337462856
Nobs aint stupid, I mean, by Ork standards. They are also incredibly fast despite their size, thats what a lot of opponents don't expect when fighting Orks, for those massive frames to move so fucking fast. Not to mention just how fucking durable they are, especially Nobs. Anything less than a power weapon will just as likely get lodged in their muscle and get stuck, or just slice through but not even slow the Nob down. If we put the Nob in power armor, it gets even more insane, since they are moving faster, hitting harder and tanking more
>>337462856
The reason a Nob lived long enough to become a Nob is because he's smart enough not to run into gunfire like a retard. Firing at a Warboss would also be pointless considering he'd be wearing mega armour.
>>337462664
They don't kill whole groups. She kills like three herself, one by decapitating him and two by shooting them. And Custodes only engaged them in the hallway leading to the gate, so Vangorovich would see them all.
I can't quote it because I deleted the file like 3 hours ago, but the way it's worded made it absolutely clear to me that only 12 died.
>>337463347
Even without mega armor, a Warboss is usually thick enough to take bolter fire and not even slow down.
>>337461408
> Slaanesh will never tempt you with unending pleasure while you try to maintain your faith in troubling times
posting more qt space elves
1 Ultramarine is enough to kill a Warboss. Didn't you guys play Space Marine?;^)
>>337463423
>They don't kill whole group
Yes they do. If I could copy-paste those paragraphs I would do so but I can't.
>I can't quote it because I deleted the file like 3 hours ago
Then trust me, because I have the book right here and just reread that chapter. It's explicitly clear that there are more than 12 dead Custodes.
The esteemed guardians of the God-Emperor are a bunch of pushovers.
![147465-1161x972-circle+a-warhammer+40k-adeptus+mechanicus-skull+probe-tech+priest-girl[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/d8i1bLo.jpg "147465-1161x972-circle+a-warhammer+40k-adeptus+mechanicus-skull+probe-tech+priest-girl[1].jpg")
>>337463629
>>337463631
group of ultramarines are enough to defend a planet from entire nid swarm
What are the other factions equivalent of a titan? Im talking imperator class
>>337463784
>adeptus mechanicus
>with flesh
now THIS is HERESY
>>337463784
I see no problem with this. It just show how effective are the teachings of Guilliman. There's a reason why every other marine chapter sees him as their spiritual liege.
>>337463978
>Not reading the Ciaphas Cain novel where he off-screen bangs a qt AdMech Enginseer who uses a mechanderite tail for everything
>Not reading the 2nd book where she shows up again, many decades later and now heavily augmented
>She kept the lower half of her face to facilitate dick sucking
Are some chapters more powerful than others? I mean individually, not the whole chapter.
For example the Thousands Sons have magic 'n shit, the Iron Hands have more tech.
Does that make a big difference or a SM equals a SM regardless of the chapter?
>>337463683
Man I doubt it, you are the first one who has actually read the book and claimed 12+ deaths. But I'll take your word for it, the engagement was really badly writen imo.
I'd be a little less of a salty Imperialfag if it made it clear why the two Eldar managed to effortlesly fight through a hallway full of Custodes waiting for them, almost all of them at the end of it. Especially when the Emperor's presence is fucking with them, or at least it was before never being mentioned again, the Shadowseer admitting to herself that the more skilled Custodes could easily take her 1 v 1 and in the end they just dogpile her for no reason and the Captain punches her so fast she barely regiatered it. Not to mention they don't even use their full powers, just equipment, so it can't even be accused of elf wankery.
I know 40k powerlevels are all over the place, but it's usually just authors doing cool shit. But to have such huge differences, a little bit of Imperial wankery and half assed Eldar wankery in like 10 pages is an achievment.
>>337464373
yes
![_Shadowsun%20Daemonette%20Dark_Eldar%20Dawn_of_War%20Eldar%20Farseer%20Farseer_Macha%20Imperial_Guard%20Imperium_of_Man%20Necron%20Sister_of_Battle%20Tau%20Tyrani[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/5tP2Any.jpg "_Shadowsun%20Daemonette%20Dark_Eldar%20Dawn_of_War%20Eldar%20Farseer%20Farseer_Macha%20Imperial_Guard%20Imperium_of_Man%20Necron%20Sister_of_Battle%20Tau%20Tyrani[1].jpg")
>>337464239
Why not keep her fucking pussy what good is a mouth on a woman
>>337463908
Gargants for Orks, Wraithfags for Eldar, Bio-Titans for Tyranids
Necrons didn't have one last I looked and Tau have their almost-but-not-quite Big Boy Crisis Suit and before that their anti-Titan thing was a plane
>>337456892
Gots ta be a kunning git den
>>337463978
Not all Adeptus Mechanicus go full robot, at least at first. Early adepts are mostly human with maybe a few mechandrites, it's only when you start going higher up the echelon and the older priests do you see full mechanicals.
>>337464573
Would be hugely amused, in a Monty Python kind of way, if that chart included a Space Marine just wearing a bikini that didn't fit him at all, but still had the helmet on, with just a caption under him that said 'Why?"
>>337464373
Ultramarines are the most powerful chapter.
>>337457551
>>337464685
Funny how Orks are the only faction with a reasonably realistic titan.
>>337464573
Loli D is cute, but she looks very uncomfortable and that makes me upset and ashamed of my terrible perversion.
>>337464845
She's upset she was forced into a one piece instead of a bikini
>>337454061
Lorewise?
Tabletopwise?
Gamewise?
Space Marine power levels varies wildly.
![1555320-vengeful_black_templars[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VH1V8a5.jpg "1555320-vengeful_black_templars[1].jpg")
>>337464845
>>337464406
>the engagement was really badly writen imo
I can't argue there.
I'm hardly an Eldarfag but I thought it was always the case that Harlequins don't fuck around. And she was actually a Shadowseer, which is second best next to a Solitaire.
And it didn't help that they were being pretty fucking stupid when they charged the Eldar instead of just hanging back and letting the Warhounds do their thing. Or bringing in some godamn flamethrowers.
I've read very little Horus Heresy (where I assume the Custodes actually get to do shit), is there anything showing how much ass they can actually kick?
>>337464685
>almost-but-not-quite Big Boy Crisis Suit
Riptide?
>>337459085
Chaos plz go
>>337464845
Dont be ashamed, she is literally a creation of lust and excess, her appearance is based on what you find attractive and alluring. If you get off on lolis and Slaanesh sent a Daemonette to lure you in, it would probably look very prepubescent in appearance to you, while to others it may look like a voluptuous woman. The uncomfortable expression is literally just an act to get you horny for her.
>>337465002
Supremacy armor and Stormsurge, it's the Tau's current answer to Titans, and still don't do the job very well.
>>337465086
>>337459227
>stronger bond
>implying you can be more bro-tier then Blood Gorgons
>>337465173
>>337465173
>it's the Tau's current answer to Titans
>imperium stomps all over the place with their Titans
>everyone else, even the Tyranids, just respond with their own titans
>Tau try to be clever instead of just making a fucking titan
>>337465173
>>337465250
Every time I look at the ankles on these things I'm reminded of the time I accidentally snapped the foot off a Crisis suit model just by fiddling with it a little too much
>>337465250
the legs are sexy
Post your favorite
>Dawn of War 1 expansion
>Dawn of War 2 expansion
>>337465206
No one can be more bro tier than Deathwatch. Part of their training is to be strapped down and forced to watch hours of Space Marines being slaughtered in hopeless battles with an Oculus Rift, they have to be restrained because they get so fucking angry from how real it is to watch space marines being slaughtered that they want to jump in and save them, because at that point it's no longer about chapters, it's about another marine being killed.
>>337461408
>you will never be some inquisitor's puppet
seems like a good feel to me anon
>>337465173
>army full of weaboo mechas are to stupid to make giant mecha
![dmitrys-417761-Elodie[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/gX7sbcm.jpg "dmitrys-417761-Elodie[1].jpg")
>>337465086
Thats not good
>>337465335
They literally cannot make a titan, those two Titan-killers, as they are called, are the limit of their engineering and resources. Just to power the things they are using highly experimental, highly dangerous power sources, and the things themselves can't even move, despite having legs, the Supremacy Armor and Stormsurge are, for all intents and purposes, stationary weapons, and have to be moved around by other ships. The things are huge fucking resource sinks for exceedingly rare resources which the Tau can barely spare as is, but it's their best bet at the moment.
>>337464994
Yeah, Shadowseers and Death Jesters are serious business. No problem with them wrecking shit, but the engagement was really badly presented. Still cool to read though, so that's ok.
They are pretty hyped in HH in most of the battles they participate in. Valdor even beat Horus 1 on 1 in a sparring duel. Except for Prospero, they don't really do anything notable against the Thousand Sons. There is also that time in Outcast Deadwhere a unarmored and unarmed World Eater tears a fully equiped Custodes, maybe even more than that, I can't really remember, to shreds after being imprisoned on Terra for some time. I don't even think he had the Nails in him.
>>337465471
>it was actually the Space Marines themselves who came up with the idea for the Deathwatch
>they still operate and execute missions when not in contact with the Inquisition
chaos cultist pls go and stay go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J46EQKe8GY
Anyone else excited for Space Hulk: Deathwing?
>your legs are broken
Remonder that dreadnoughts are just as fast and agile as marines. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6g6QdTeJFs
>>337465335
Im pretty sure you don't make the Titans, you randomly find them from some ancient race that is long gone
>>337465347
You discovered the hidden weakness of every Tau battlesuit and didn't report it to your nearest inquisitor? Are you some kind of xeno loving heretic per chance?
>>337465864
Can I play as Ezekiel and do EVERYTHING?
>>337465864
release date when
>>337461069
>>337461459
Which book is that???
>>337464373
Depends on their doctrine, geneseed, wargear, experience, etc. This might be an interesting read
>https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Gene-seed#Mutation
If we take Grey Knights into consideration, they've got top-tier stuff and they're all psykers
>>337465960
They gotta be. You stuff a highly skilled space marine into a dread, but don't make the dread capable of keeping up with his previous skills, you pretty much gimp him, making his whole existence redundant
>>337465864
What are you playing as? They're not space marines right?
>>337466067
I'unno.
>>337466073
My completely unqualified guess is sometime this autumn.
>>337465405
>Dawn of War 1 expansion
Dark Crusade
>Dawn of War 2 expansion
As much as I love Chaos Rising I had too much fun with new units and IG in Retribution. The fact that that most of its life Chaos Rising used gfwl also kind of helps to make a decision.
>>337465662
I see. Sounds like the Tau need to give the Necrons a call, ask them how it's done.
>>337466210
They're space marines belonging to the Deathwing company, belonging to the Dark Angels chapter. The key diffrence is that they're wearing terminator armour.
>>337465173
Wait, this thing can't walk?
Are you fucking serious?
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>337466114
Throneworld. Latest book from The Beast Arises series.
>>337466138
>1d4chan
The stuff there isnt all serious.
>>337466286
Wew. Where can I start reading about warhammer 40 k? It seems so badass
>>337466067
ARCHIVE RECORD VIEWER
>>337463498
>>337465086
>>337465642
>Be an Imperial Inquisitor
>Study Slaanesh daemons to combat them
>Everyone wonders why you are able to resist the allure of Slaanesh
>Tell no one you are able to resist them due to being a lolicon
Not even Daemons can win against 2D
>>337465173
No no and no. It's GW's answer to make single units that cost shitloads and people will still buy them. Tau uses Flyers with shitlaods of railgun batteries to blow titans. But these models do not sell because people dont like flyers for some reason and the rules for them are shit.
>>337466340
It could probably move a few feet, but it's absolutely no where close to the nimble movement that all other Tau battlesuits are known for, it's why it and the Stormsurge have so many god damn weapons, so it can defend itself since it can't move around. The Supremacy Armor is actually a defensive battlesuit, by the way, the first of it's kind for Tau.
Even with all that, it takes multiple of these things to kill single titan, the majority of them given the job of popping the void shield, while the remaining ones aim for the titan once it's shields down
>>337466443
Just browsing https://1d4chan.org/ gives you a good idea of how fun 40k can be. Keep in mind that it's all largely delivered with a heavy dose of sarcasm, hyperbole, and a light-hearted attitude.
Otherwise there are sites like http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/ but they're not even half as fun
>>337460342
They're more dramatists than comedians, anon.
>>337466646
The only flyer with enough umph to do anything against a Titan are the Tau's Tiger Sharks, and those just weren't enough, because titans are still too strong to be beaten by a bunch of augmented fighter-bombers.
>>337466951
>he doesn't find the fall of the Eldar funny
found the xenoposter
>>337466398
Well yeah, pretty obvious when it isn't. It's sorta okay for casual rundowns of 40k nonsense overall if you can tolerate the /tg/ memes.
>>337458076
>Old ones made the Eldar to fight against Necrons after all.
Wasn't it the Orks? I thought the Eldar came to be naturally.
>>337466810
Oi, where could I find this "interrogation" Cant find the old threads. Never got to see it finished when it was new
>>337467130
Nope, the Krork, Eldar, Jokaero and a bunch of others were all made to fight the Necrons
>>337466951
yeah. its funny to laugh at their misfortunes.
>>337467130
It's never outright confirmed, and both stories are equally possible. Some say the Eldar were already around, other say the Eldar were made along with the Korks to fight the Necrons
>>337467228
try "an eldar's ears"
on 1d4chan
>>337467029
thats why they should have made new class of fighters instead. But rules for flyers were ass and are even more ass now with the new dogfighting suplement that no one would have bought them. And the players get their dicks moist from big walkers that somehow classify as monstrous creatures
>>337467130
>Wasn't it the Orks?
Sometimes it was both, or neither. Sometimes it just mentions the Eldar as being allies of the Old Ones. The lore is purposefully vague on that subject.
But if they were made to fight the Necrons, they really fucking suck at their jobs. 10 billion years later and those guys are still kicking around the galaxy.
>>337467390
Sadly it does not have the pictures
>>337467413
I personally would have loved to see the Tau pull out some new flyers, or a tank or something to combat titans, it would have given them a really interesting take on titan-combat, but I also kind of like the idea that all their titan-tier combat options are just stationary walkers with shit loads of weapons.
>>337467493
Eldars had a starchart with every Necron tomb worlds location. The knuckleheads lost it when they sexed slaanesh into being. Eldars suck at everything
>>337467493
>His legs are not okay.
>>337465250
THICC
>>337467604
I got them off /tg/
>>337467727
I'm just annoyed that GW only caters to the battlesuit loving crowd. I like my hammerheads and devilfishes but they both are useless except it very niche situations. DW still costs too much for a transport with peashooters anything AT is better than hammerhead because more manouverability. Updated crisis suits models are fucking ace though
Tyranids; Genestealer.
Orks; Nob.
Eldar; Aspect Warrior.
Tau; Fire Warrior.
IG; Chimera Tank.
Chaos; God-Aligned Marine, actually. Chapter Marines are actually more capable than standard Chaos Marines. Runic Marines, Noise Marines, Plague Marines and Khornates are actually equivalent.
Necrons; Warriors.
Dark Eldar; Who cares?
>tfw no qt wych waifu
>>337466210
Okay, in simple terms.
Every chapter (formations of 1000 marines from a distinctive faction, like Space Wolves, Dark Angels, Ultramarines) has a First Company with the 100 most badass dudes of the chapter.
From these 100 badass, one dozen and a half are chosen as the most badass and given an even more heavy armor called Terminator Armor, designed basically to turn it's wearer into an indestructible, self-supporting killing machine, able to resist even the depths of the sea or the void of space withouth support. Then they load them with the biggest, baddest weapons the chapter has and group them in squads of 5 mofos that can effectibly deal with seemingly impossible threats.
That's what you'll be playing in the game.
>>337467749
>guys the necrons are waking up shit FUCK we were supposed to kill them like a million fucking years ago
>it's cool we still have the map of all their shitty tomb planets
>alright where is it
>>337462856
Nobs also aren't aiming for you mostly, they're going in with 'uge hammers or big choppas.
>>337468019
>Eldar; Aspect Warrior.
Way to narrow that down.
>>337468523
Except for the Space Wolves, who have a company that might actually be even more powerful than it's first company in that they journeyed into the Eye of Terror fully intending to do nothing other than kill their way to their lost Primarch. They have an entire company of what is essentially berserker Vikings slamming around in the warp killing everything they come across.
>>337464373
So
>minotaurs have the fanciest anti-marine toys since they are designed to fight other chapters
>dark angels are dark angels,shitton of archeotech and are basically a legion
>Ultramarines,Wolves and Templars have more then 1000 member
>Blood Angels and their succesors have shitton of magic and rip and tear in close combat
>Ultramarines are simply the best of them all
>>337469572
you mean dogfuckers
Phoenix Lords vs Primarchs
Who are the bigger power wanks?
>>337469709
Templars have many, many more than 1000 members. As a crusading chapter the Imperium decrees they can have as many members as they want. Last estimate was something like 600,000.
>>337469709
Dont forget that the Salamanders have the highest quality gear, since every Salamander is a blacksmith and is capable of fixing their own gear and building things, so their Techmarines are able to work on making really high quality shit instead of spending all their time fixing the equipment, practically all Salamanders are decked out in near artificier-tier equipment
>>337469887
Are they all working together in one big cluster fuck fight? The Primarchs would win, there are more of them, and they are all fucking crazy powerful.
>>337469572
Also the Black Templars who are without a doubt back at legion strength, the Inquisition knows this but they just can't prove it because every time they ask the High Marshall how many marines he has under his command, he just shrugs his shoulders and goes "I don't know".
>>337469887
Phoenix Lords win because they are immortal and one soloe'd enire nid Hive Fleet tendril
>>337469887
Are you fucking stupid?
so why didnt the god emperor just fuck the chaos gods up?
>>337470154
Angron > arhara
>>337459310
Nice hyperbole. At least he didn't manipulate the greentext like a child.
>>337469963
Salamanders have slower reactions compared to other Astartes, though still much better than the average Joe
>>337469916
>>337470127
This was literally never true. Legions were massive, Black Templars were never even near those numbers. I mean 600k for fucks sake? That would mean that 60% of all Marines are BT if we go by the official and retarded number of a million marines.
And it was retconed explicitly, BT are only slightly over 1000 now.
>>337470127
Legion numbers mean nothing when a single ultramarine is worth 20 templars
>>337470127
The Black Templars only had six Grand Crusades, with each being a whole Chapter's worth of insane bastards
The smallest Legion was eighty thousand strong (Raven Guard) and the strongest two hundred fifty (Smurfs)
>>337470251
He was trying to. He had no way of fucking them up in person, so he was trying to starve them and make them irrelevant. The Emperor had more than enough power to stride into the warp and kick the shit out of the gods in their own domains (individually, all together and even Emps would be fucked) but it would be pointless, since any damage he delivered would be irrelevant within the god's domain. It's why they ran like little girls when the Emperor vaporized Horus' soul, they were currently in the materium, so if they got caught in the Emperor's attack, there was a very real chance they would have been completely destroyed as well.
>>337470251
cause he's a corpse and the chaos gods are dank
orcs and the great destroyer are the biggest problems in the universe and probably going to kill everything
>>337465002
how are pilots supposed to sit in anything above Stealth? no matter how you position someone they won't be able to move arms or legs to control stuff
>>337470127
>without a doubt back at legion strength
>fanwank bullshit now counts as being canon, 'without a doubt'
I don't think so.
>>337457442
Not even close to true.
There are in-lore cases of a squad of tactical marines massacring thousands of eldar, enough to make a pile so high they were touch the top a ceilings of one of the imperiums massive buildings.
Normal eldar are in no way equal to a space marine.
>>337470567
whose the great destroyer?
>>337470571
Cockpits with control panels instead of one to one movement
>>337470567
> implying the thing that the nyds are running from wont win the war
>>337457442
>5+ Armour rolls
>>337470571
Most Tau battlesuits are piloted in tandem with a Tau pilot and an AI program.
>>337467493
Actually they did a good enough job. The Necrons were so beaten they spent 10 billion years in hibernation to recuperate. Don't forget it is only recently that they're rising and they're nowhere near their old power level.
The eldars were the favoured creation of the Old Ones. The orks were made in desperation when they needed a more brutal and Hardy creatures.
Humanity is the petri dish that grew sentient.
>>337470749
Great Devourer*
It's the tyranids
>>337470832
>Humanity is the petri dish that grew sentient.
Nice heresy you got there.
>>337470832
>The Necrons were so beaten they spent 10 billion years in hibernation to recuperate
Yeah, due to the fact that they had just waged a second war against the C'tan.
Eldar couldn't even cut it as janitors.
>>337470571
One of these shitty things in the middle
>>337470832
The crons weren't beaten.
They won. They utterly and completely beat the old ones. Then they went to war with the C'tan, which weakened their forces significantly. The pn the enslaver plauge happened. All this caused the silent king to realize they fucked up big time, so he ordered all the Necrons to hibernate, until the time comes for the to retake the galaxy and find a way to get new organic bodies. He then freed them from mindlessness and then left the galaxy for what was supposed to be forever, as punishment for what he did.
>>337459227
>modern wargear
Anything modern is shit.
Old stuff is superior in 40K.
>>337470770
I was under the impression they were moving away from themselves, because they've already consumed so many galaxies and are over populated and out of organic material to consume
because there's separate fleeting moving towards the milky way from so many different directions
>>337471127
Thanks for reminding me why I hate the retconed lore.
so what are the powerrankings in the 40k universe?
God emperor > Chaos gods etc
>>337471218
The Stormbolter is explicitly superior in every way to the outdated Combi-Bolter Chaos Marines still use
>>337471278
The old lore was the same except the bit with "pokemanned the C'tan"
>kick the shit out of Old Ones
>Enslaver plague
>literally nothing to be gained fighting Warp spawn so lets all hibernate and get up when the galaxy has recovered from being eaten by bugs
>>337471245
Yeah, you can pretty much ignore the
>nids are running from something
memesters. It's just some stupid fan theory that gets repeated way too often.
>>337471278
Yeah, it sucks, but the crons winning wasn't a retcon. That's always been the case
>>337471048
WINSTON'S BEEN HIT
>>337471282
he is the strongest warp entity there is. He fucked chaos up good.
>>337471282
Gork/Mork > Power Gap > Everything else
>>337471546
>He fucked chaos up good.
>ended up handing them the strongest warriors they would ever need
Your Imperial propaganda is no good here, loyalist.
>>337471546
he's not even alive he's a skeleton with a diaper
>>337471724
>literally unmakes the strongest champion of chaos with his mind.
A Krootox might be able to do it at close quarters, but he's screwed at range unless a rider's got a mounted sniper.
>>337471607
except they don't have a corporeal form
and orcs are too retarded to use their physic powers for non retarded things
they might be mary sue levels of powerful on paper but they're barely even real
>>337471757
the strongest entity in the universe is a skeleton with a diaper
>>337471501
You wanna hear a meme theory ?>>337471607
Gork and mork fucking nonsense is a meme, not nyds running from reapers
>>337471724
The emperor did fuck up chaos good.
He beat horus, who had all the power of the chaos gods poured into him at the time, so badly that horus' soul ceased to exist. And he did that while he was mortally wounded and he hadn't been trying at all until the very end of the fight.
The emperor did make quite a few mistakes, but that doesn't change that he fucked chaos up.
Also, the emperor is the reason Failbadon the armless is in charge of the legions of chaos. That isn't exactly handing them the best warriors ever.
He failed 13 failed black crusades. 13
>>337471808
>killed a pawn that had fulfilled its purpose
Chaos has already won The Long War.
>>337471936
>corporeal form
Neither do the Chaos Gods, what's your point
