Is there a worst gaming mechanic than frenzy?
Frenzy is the most anti-fun thing ever. Areas like the Brain of Mensis aren't even difficult, they just require you go buy more sedatives.
>>337449194
It's not that bad. It only occurs a few times throughout the game, and I like the concept behind it, with your brain being filled with Ayy Lmao concepts, ideas etc...
>>337449194
Just wear Djuras armor
>>337449194
I thought it would've been cool if frenzy didn't just damage you, but do things like create false enemies and shit
>>337449296
>I like the concept behind it
So do I, but its horribly executed. I don't know how I would go about tweaking it myself. I like how some enemies can actually cause you to go frenzied just by looking at them.
It makes more sense than the poison mechanic lore-wise, I don't see what's so bad about it. Also never really had any problems with it.
Having to go back to the hubworld to level up
I've wasted more time on that tedious chore in Bloodborne alone, let alone the whole series, faaar more than stopping every few meters to blow an item
Was there a boss that used frenzy? I kinda remember Phtemerian Queen using it but I'm kinda kinda hazy
It wouldn't be as bad if it didn't tie to your insight level. Also Skl scaling on weapons is fucking terrible.
Chalice dungeons.
>>337449723
Ebrietas could frenzy you if you got hit by her blood attacks
>>337449407
Not to mention that you're already in a twisted nightmare world created to communicate with the gods and have seen and fought untold horrors to get to that point but all of a sudden a walking singing brain makes younfrenzy? I agree it was a cool idea,but it needed consistency and tweaking to make it better.
Is frenzy any different from blood loss?
>>337449510
Even fucking worse is the fact you have to warp back to the hub in order to warp somewhere else.
>>337451280
No, not really
What do you gain from stock-piling insight? It just seems to make some enemies more annoying to deal with.
>>337450524
>It wouldn't be as bad if it didn't tie to your insight level
That's what's so cool about it though. However, even having zero insight, frenzy can kill you really quickly.
>>337449252
or you just git gud and learn to visceral atk when your about to get frenzied
>>337451534
The brains signing gets more out of tune the more insight you have.
curse in dark souls is way worse, and frenzy is basically the same thing as bleed anyway
>>337451280
When people say Frenzy is bullshit, usually they don't mean the mechanics of it, a 80% damage hit when a status bar fills up isn't too bad, but Winter Lanterns and The Brain of Mensis cause it's build up just by looking at you.
>>337449510
I didn't mind going back to level up because I got used to it in DS2, the thing that ticked me off though was not being able to refresh blood vials and ammo by standing next to a lamp, along with not being able to warp. I wonder why From's programmers couldn't be able to do that.
>>337451534
You get to shit your pants when you see the Amyacdala on Oeden Chapel when he wasn't there before you were summoned to coop.
But, really, nothing, I never use Madman's Knowledge until I actually need it and buy all clothes I can at the Insight Store.
>>337451641
Its more about how enemies have to just look at you in order for the effect to happen.
>>337451694
>Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Is frenzy Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Walk Away From The Screen Like Nigga Close Your Eyes Haha
>>337451694
Similar to Jailers causing all your HP to disappear in the blink of an eye just by gazing your way in DS3?
>>337452093
You can hide behind a wall to avoid Jailers iirc. In BB, just being in the proximity of Winter Lanterns causes you to have frenzy increase.
>>337452093
Kinda, but Jailer's sight can't kill you and it only drains HP when skill is activated, meaning you can rush them.
>>337451694
There's also the problem of the fact that frenzy continues to build up for a long time even when you leave the sight or kill the brains.
>be in tight hallway
>this fucker shows up
>you're in a nightmare labyrinth with your girlfriend when suddenly this guy slaps her ass and runs away
what do
>>337449194
Holy shit Pcucks are running out of buzzwords!
So Pathetic
>>337452430
Run past him and stand in the doorway.
Sedatives and insight family
>>337451905
This is my biggest problem with the game. Vials and bullets being consumable adds constant anxiety that you'll run out if you use them often, it discourages retrying a boss over and over, and it's generally just unnecessary. If you were guaranteed to start with say 10 of each and could farm more that would make PvE infinitely more bearable
Weapon badge mechanic. What the hell was wrong with just finding weapons in the overworld? Now I also have to arbitrarily give away my blood echos for them.
>>337449194
Just spend your insight and temporarily wear a frenzy resistant armor. You don't have to wear the deep sea rune and sacrifice rune slot for it like most complainers do.
>>337449194
Malaria in Far Cry 2.
>just lost over 50k in echoes after getting bum-rushed by a group of those snake-headed fuckers
God damn it.
>>337452614
It also prevents guns from being a viable playstyle, since the ones that actually deal good damage eat up bullets like candy.
>>337452203
False. You can hide behind walls to avoid the Winter Lanterns. Also, they only frenzy you when their light is on (which it almost always is, admittedly).
>>337452757
I wish the cannon didn't eat up so many bullets, even when I wanted to try it against Ebreitas, with all the runes and extra bullets I could muster I only managed to fire it about 3 times for abysmal damage at +6 with the bullet power up
didn't give me much problems when i learned how to stop getting it
dunno if you can find something worse anyway
>>337452430
Grant him eyes.
>>337451534
i never went below 40 till yesterday i wasted it all (finishing DLC for first time on ng1
>>337453467
I've never once used beasthood / became a beast.
Is it any good?
>>337451626
>>337451925
>>337453467
Huh. Well good. I don't mind any aesthetic changes, or lack thereof.
>>337452430
Shoot him.
>>337453752
>this is what modern gamers consider difficult
Who's the biggest douche in the game?
Who didn't deserve one iota of the shit that happened to 'em?
>>337453553
can't answer you , still waiting for that "you'll become a beast if you attack too much" devs said before the game was released
>>337453467
I wish there was more to insight than just this. What they went with just feels like humanity with a few minor extras tacked on.
>>337453553
After hitting a bunch of times you fill up the bar. Your damage and attack speed increase, and if you have beast claw as a weapon it transforms into actual beast's claw and gets new moveset.
>>337452430
awoo at him
>>337453553
Beast rune + Claws = closest to real beasthood we're gonna get
In short, yes.
>>337453874
micolash
alfred
Lumenwood, or beast form?
>>337454359
>>337452430
AWOOOOOOO
AWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>337453074
>>337452757
>using guns as if it's cod
>>337454797
>alfred
Nothing happened to him though. He did all that shit himself then took his own life just so he could be a martyr.
>>337455173
he did do it to himself, didn't deserve it though.
>>337455557
that could've been the worse quints ever.
>>337452757
>what is literally any gun when upgraded with points into BLT
Evelyn deals insane damage and so does the Blunderbuss when fired at close range.
>>337451591
>Need to exploit the game to have fun and hide the game's shit design
>>337455119
i avoided using the gun till i was done with my first playthrough
>still 600 ammo
>>337454894
>>337454359
Before I played BB, I would browse the threads just to see webms of people playing and stuff, but I would often see this cage head got posted with awooo. Had no idea why and then I finally got to his boss fight and the moment he awoo'd I dropped the controller laughing hysterically.
>>337452757
>>337455950
I'm using the evelyn in >>337453752 . Bloodtinge build + bone marrow does crazy damage. My bloodtinge isn't even that high, its only 35 at the moment.
>>337454797
Wait, alfred is a douche? I haven't managed to find him after getting the unopened summons, but what does he do that's so bad?
>>337452430
>>337454359
>>337454894
Unironically my favourite bossfight in BB is Micolash.
It feels like the final battle in Blade Runner, it even has weird mannequins and the antagonist howling like a wolf.
>>337457859
Could have been better executed. I like the idea of labyrinth boss chases, but actually confronting him was so boring. Plus chasing him down was easy. I knew what From was going for with the fight but it felt really lazy.
If they just toned down a single aspect of frenzy like making it only take off 40% HP, making it proc like bleed with contact damage, or making it so that it doesn't build up for a while even after the source is gone, I think it would be fine. All of those together make it really tedious.
>ahh, Kos, or as some say, Kosm
who actually refers to it as Kosm aside from Micolash?
>>337457965
I agree with the fact it could of been better executed.
On my first play through my 'holy shit' levels were through the roof so I didn't have any time to reflect on it being a mediocre fight. Just how the story and world was unravelling and the twists it was taking had me totally engaged.
Man, does BB have the best secrets, lore, and level design or what.
>if you play the music box while papa g if your ally, he'll have a secret dialogue with the player
>the celestial emissary and celestial mobs are the most typical alien looking of the alien enemies, which is ironic considering the fact that they are in fact humans who have "ascended" to kinhood. The game shows the player how they were once human by using imposter iosefka and tidbits of lore involving the healing church
What Metal Gear is to TECHNOLOGY, Soulsborne is to LORE.
>>337458553
>if you send someone to Iosefka's clinic after killing the impostor, they still get ayy lmao'd
Explain this bullshit. Did they just find a potion of ayy lmao on the shelf and decide it was a good idea to drink it?
whats the scariest moment for you? all the bell ringers lining up for the one reborn's boss fightwhich is funnier for me because I beat it on my first try
>>337458652
Obviously an oversight on From's part, but could be justified if you claim there were multiple cultists helping Imposter Iosefka.
>>337458652
Probably a Dev oversight. If she is dead why even have the option to send them there? That option should of been removed in that circumstance, the fact it still exists suggests an oversight.
Remember kids. DEVELOPERS ARE NOT INFALLIABLE! Their humans too!
>that one kid who says if it's in the game then the devs meant even though it's clearly broken bullshit.
>>337458652
>water...water...'ayy lmao blood'?
>WARNING: DO NOT INGEST
>DO NOT INGEST
>DO INGEST
>CANDY
>*glug glug glug*
>Ayyyyyy
I'm entirely sure this is how it went.
>>337458872
>water...water...'ayy lmao blood'?
>WARNING: DO NOT INGEST
>DO NOT INGEST
>DO INGEST
>DELICIOUS MENSTRUAL BLOOD
>*glug glug glug*
>Ayyyyyy
>>337458652
I always wondered about this as well. I also don't kill real Iosefka and wish there was a way to un-ayylmao her
>fear the old blood, Laurence.
>I will not forget our adage master Willhem
>5 minutes later
>what did Willem say again
>abuse the old blood?
>yeah that's what he said
>AAHHHH FUCK I HAVE LAVA POWERS BUT I'M NOT IMMUNE TO THEM WHO WROTE THIS
how do i get all endings on the same playthrough
>>337459385
Get a different ending in NG+ and NG++
>>337459385
get all 3 umbilical cords, copy save game to USB before entering gehrman. You can then consume all 3 cords and fight gehrman and moon presence. Copy file back from USB to system and then don't consume cords and fight gehrman, then copy again and just accept your fate.
>>337459768
thx bae
>>337452751
I hate those things
>>337453553
It depends on what weapon you're using. Transforming will open up a meter that fills as you attack enemies, and the more full the meter is, the higher your attack becomes, but the lower your defense becomes. It's easy to manage with fast weapons, but if a weapon's too fast, like the Blades of Mercy, you'll probably just end up getting yourself killed, while a slow weapon like the Hunter's Axe will barely make the meter budge.
>>337453553
if you use beast claw with beast's embrace and have gear with high beasthood each attack does 2x the physical damage at maximum beasthood. You also take roughly 2x as much damage.
General soulsborne question
How much is leveling up important to souls games? Like, I'm sure level one playthroughs are possible and maybe even a common challenge, right?
Can I get to the point where I'm so powerful from leveling up that I can even beat Yharnam with relative ease?
>>337460047
Thanks for the response. I can see by the webm alone I would hate beasthood. Glass cannon is not my playstyle.
>>337460061
>I'm sure level one playthroughs are possible and maybe even a common challenge, right?
Yes but in Bloodborne the lowest level is 4. It's hard but if you git gud you can definitely beat any boss at BL4.
So BB has been out for a year, do you think we've seen all the secrets in the game?
>>337460061
upgrading weapons is generally more important than leveling
>>337459872
Seriously what's with all the fucking snakes
>>337453836
>>337460267
I've never even got a technique down for those guys. You keep your distance and they stretch at you. Plus they seem to have 360 degree strike range and can't be staggered.
>In Bloodborne, depending on your heritage, your blood has different effects. Those in the healing church have blood which gives the standard blood regeneration where as those of the Cainhurst bloodline, who are related to the Pthumerian Queen, have blood which can inflict rapid poison.
>The hunter is one of the candidates to become the next Great One. The hunter has a special blood property themselves. This is shown by the bloodletter weapon. The bloodletter is a weapon which uses your own blood as a way of dealing damage to enemies. The blood of the hunter allows the bloodletter to frenzy enemies much like Great Ones and kin.
DEEPEST LORE
>>337460662
you can parry their axe attack, otherwise your best bet is a large weapon with high stagger like holy blade
also you can use axe spin to win to knock them back 6 feet
>>337460710
Pretty sure it causes frenzy when Brador uses it against you. That's just how the weapon works.
>>337460267
>>337460662
whats the enemys name? I don't remember seeing this. Is it in the DLC?
>>337460710
But the Chikage causes rapid poison when covered in your blood.
>>337460863
they're in forbidden woods
>>337460710
Normal people have normal blood. people of the healing church have fucked up healing blood because of all the shit they've done over the years.
>>337460252
Thanks to datamining, we don't need longer than a few days to figure out every secret in a video game.
>>337460710
your heritage? As in what you choose at the beginning of the game?
>>337460903
yep, and the more bloodtinge you have the more damage your blood does, hence guns being better (the bullets are covered in your own blood) and chikage / bloodletter being better.
>>337457521
Alfred does nothing wrong. All he does is smash, and ground, and pound that disgusting heretical Vileblood queen.
POST MOAR LOAR
>the doll can only inhabit the dream realm
>the winter lanterns can only inhabit the nightmare realm
>yfw the winter lanterns are alternate universe versions of the doll
>>337460985
Damn shame tbqh. I spent hours trying to Make Contact with everything and trying to figure out the effects of 99 Insight. When I gave up and read the wiki it was pretty disappointing.
>>337460950
What the fuck did the person who took that picture do to make it look so shit? The PS4 has a dedicated screenshot button- he didn't need to record his footage onto a VHS and take a picture of it with a cell phone from 2002.
>>337460985
how do i into datamining?
>>337461164
I think it's just a random frame from a youtube video, I found it on google
>>337461118
The lanterns have doll joints as well.
>>337460950
Oh, those guys weren't tough.
>>337461118
Likewise, Micolash is the nightmare version of Gherman.
What are the nightmare version of the messengers though?
You do know that low insight makes frenzy a joke?
You know you can kill "mother brain" right?
>>337461401
Micolash is the nightmare version of Micolash. You find his corpse in Ya'hargul- it's what triggers the player's teleportation to the Nightmare of Mensis to begin with. The College of Mensis were deliberately trying to use Mergo to gain "eyes on the inside" and created the Nightmare while leaving their bodies behind.
>>337461401
Winter Lanterns and the tentacle things at Nightmare Frontier are covered in dead messengers.
>yfw there are Celestial Emissaries in the Forbidden Woods
WHAT DOES IT MEEEEAAAAN?
>>337461652
>You do know that low insight makes frenzy a joke?
Not really. The rune and armor which increases frenzy resistance are more meaningful.
>You know you can kill "mother brain" right?
I think people are alright with frenzy for the most part. Its the winter lanterns which cause the problems people have with frenzy, who remain unaffected on whether or not you kill mother brain.
>>337458553
>>337460710
>failed experiments in the Research Hall still have tentacles coming from their heads like the Celestial Mob and spit frenzy-inducing blood like Ebrietas
>you can still rally from the ghosts in Cainhurst because they're still bleeding from their slit throats
>you can't rally the Ethereal Walkers since they're just reanimated
>Coldblood Flowerbuds are growing down in the cavern under the graveyard outside Iosefka's clinic and on the Altar of Despair
>the creature on the Altar of Despair is a unique model to Rom
>the Winter Lanterns and the Brain of Mensis are made of the intertwined corpses of Messengers
>>337461401
Orphan of Kos is the nightmare version of Gerhman
>>337461839
Byrginwerth is close by where experiments were carried out.
>>337461961
The higher your insight the more frenzy affects you. Just by spending around 30 or 40 insight I saw a big difference in frenzy buildup. And I still had 40.
Winter Lanterns are not that problematic. Kill them one at a time and use sedatives. Jeez.
>>337461839
I guess the Choir was dumping their failed experiments there.
>>337461996
>nightmare version
>>337461708
>nightmare version
That literally doesn't mean anything. Micolash and Gehrman and OOK are all separate characters.
>>337461839
Large bodies of water are mediums for interacting with the Great Ones, same reason that phantasms were called their familiars. Probably the same reason Mother Kos and Ebrietas look the way they do.
Those Celestials came from Iosefka's Clinic down the same path you would have and were probably seeking out the closest large body of water to commune with the gods.
>>337462036
Did Willem really do experiments? I thought it was just Iosefka.
Willem seemed like a good guy who lost himself because of too much insight, not someone who carried out experiments on others.
>>337460252
Some people say Guidance 3 exists, and I say that's bullshit.
>>337462258
When you kill the Orphan, Gerhman stops having fitful sleep and is at peace. Orphan also features essentially the same face model as Gehrman and shares some of the same audio files, you have your fingers in your ears if you think they're not connected.
Same way that the Doll and Maria are connected, same way the Winter Lanterns and the Doll are connected.
>>337461996
>the creature on the Altar of Despair is a unique model to Rom
The Altar of Despair can be used to "resurrect" Annalise. What actually happens is that the Altar of Despair rewinds time for objects. Annalise, who becomes a puddle of organs, is repaired into her humanoid form. She in particular can never die and is even alive as that gooblygoock Alfred turns her into. When she is "repaired" by the altar, she has lost all memory of her being slain by Alfred and turning into a pile of organs.
The reason why Rom is there is because Ebrietas brough Rom there in order to resurrect him. Ebrietas was mourning Rom's corpse which is why she won't attack you until you attack her.
>>337449194
Regain
>>337452362
>get grabbed
>survuve with less than half health, stand up and try to roll
>instantly grabs again
>>337451385
>not visiting you're waifu on every trip
You'd make a poor husbando, anon.
>>337462484
I thought killing Orphan maybe lifted some of the guilt Gerhman has for the slaughter at the fishing village.
He is relieved because he is no longer haunted by what he did, kind of like how the Doll says she feels like as weight has left her after you kill Maria.
>>337449381
Yep, something like that would be awesome. But sadly it's just second rapid poison.
>>337462393
I think there might be a few signs of experimentation in the building before Rom, but I can't remember exactly.
Also the alien things could be in the forest because of the secret path there that connects to the clinic.
>>337462496
>The reason why Rom is there is because Ebrietas brough Rom there in order to resurrect him. Ebrietas was mourning Rom's corpse which is why she won't attack you until you attack her.
It's not Rom, though, Rom isn't even a spider, he has sixteen small legs placed equidistant along the entire body. The thing on the Altar of Despair has eight large legs all clustered between the cephalothorax and abdomen the way a spider should.
cute and misunderstood
>>337462904
There are the eye insect things, but I thought they came about from students who got too much insight/too many eyes, not through experimentation by someone else on them.
>>337462989
Edgy.
>>337462904
>I think there might be a few signs of experimentation in the building before Rom, but I can't remember exactly.
Giant jars full of eyes is a pretty strong indicator.
The real signs of experimentation are in the Nightmare School and Research Hall, the School of Mensis and the Healing Church were a lot less reserved than Willem was.
>>337462484
Because Gehrman is wracked with guilt over killing the real Orphan and fucking up the hamlet. The Orphan you fight isn't the real thing, it's a manifestation of the old hunters' guilt, which is why it moves like a hunter and resembles a human. It's not Gehrman's alter-ego or persona or whatever other dumb shit Vaati came up with.
The doll is made to resemble Maria because Gehrman is a weird lonely old man with unrequited love for Maria.
>>337462939
It's possible that Rom is dead IRL and alive in a dream world (the same way Micolash is), so that could be the actual corpse of Rom? I don't know if there's any connection between Rom and Ebrietas though. Maybe Rom was Ebrietas' surrogate child?
>>337463105
absolutely not
>>337462619
just blast them with magic from the other side of the room
>>337463375
PUREST LOVE
>>337451905
>>337449510
>he went past Bloodlevel 75
>he didn't need to rebuy molotows, vials and bullets instead
Shit, Bloodstarving hunter desu. Someone invade him right now.
>>337463360
>The doll is made to resemble Maria because Gehrman is a weird lonely old man with unrequited love for Maria.
Gehrman lost his daughter (Maria) and longed for a surrogate (the Doll). He probably treated Maria like a surrogate daughter because he lost his own daughter in the first place.
>I don't know if there's any connection between Rom and Ebrietas though. Maybe Rom was Ebrietas' surrogate child?
Micolash says that Mother Kos was the one who granted eyes to Rom, so that's not outside the realm of possibility. Although Ebrietas is also said to be one of the "left-behind Great Ones" and she was probably just looking for any sort of company since she's been on Earth since the time of Isz. Since Rom is explicitly said to have been created by another god and Ebrietas is just a fully-grown Celestial Child they're probably on a lower tier than some of the other Great Ones.
>>337463360
I get the feeling Ebrietas is the Great One who is most sympathetic to humans.
She is implied to have stayed behind, so she might have done so to 'look after' Yharnum or help the humans ascend.
Maybe Rom was a human she took a shine to who she mentored and eventually Rom ascended into what we see in the game.
The fact she doesn't attack the player unless attacked possibly shows that she is comfortable around humans. I also didn't get a horrible vibe from Ebrietas; she just seemed... nice? Even though she was obviously very alien, she has a certain warmth to her.
Maybe it's just me but I felt bad fighting her.
>>337452614
>it discourages retrying a boss over and over
Yeah, it courages you to get good and not spend Souls on Levels and unimportant shit you won't use.
>>337452757
>not using guns only
>>337460420
>having help
>doing this, before you run out of bullets
>could've parried her for more damage and better bullet usage
Well, whatever you say, weirdo
>>337452614
Once you realise that your Quicksilver Bullets and Vials are restored from the ones in your workshop inventory every time you die, it's pretty easy to make the connection that you're supposed to fill it with vials and bullets.
Once I realised this is how it works I never ran out again.
>>337460662
Fire and Axe, Spin to Win or Ludwigs Holy Blade 6+ should kill them with either one charged R2 or two times.
>>337463628
>buying things
some people dont like to use every cheap trick aviable to them
>>337460831
I don't think it causes frenzy, the blast just does big damage, it only does frenzy to yourself
>>337463989
this is not okay
>>337464057
>stack all three Moon runes
>one run through one of the levels in a depth 4 or 5 chalice
>enough echoes to buy vials and bullets by the hundreds and never have to worry about them
Didn't even have to do this past the first playthrough since you learn to stop overusing vials and bullets.
>>337460831
>>337460710
The bloodletter l2 is just an aoe, it only causes frenzy on the user
>>337464191
Cheap trick?
Do you play the game blindfolded, while using one hand only and only take a breath in 10 minutes?
Explain Cheap and Trick in relation to Bloodborne before you leave the thread. Oh wait, you can't. I am so sorry anon, didn't want to bully you or anything...
>>337464191
>its intentionally in the game but i dont like it
>cheap trick
Kill yourself.
>>337464289
>using moonrunes
fucking weeaboo
>Cainhurst armor looks way better than any armor set in DaS3
fuck
>>337464005
that hunter tool can also parry opponents
its essentially like parrying with a 2 handed greatsword in dark souls 2 but its possible
>>337465285
Yuria's is like a shitty Cainhurst for girls.
>>337463375
>>337463463
Maria deserves nothing but to be bullied
>>337464905
>shitty molotovs
>not cheap tricks
you are the same retard that killed maneaters with a bow before the fog or stuck enemies in corners , thanks for the info
It would be fine if it didn't keep going up after you had killed the enemy that inflicted it upon you. That was just annoying as fuck.
>>337460950
>>337465285
>Not wearing Gascoine's Hat and the Charred Hunter set
>Not being Vampire Hunter D
I'd like the Cainhurst set a lot more without that little white tuft of hair sticking out the back, but that's just me.
>>337465285
>old hunters hat
>Henryks set
Nothing has come close to this in these games.
>>337465408
you are completely wrong, only love.
>>337465429
>not using everything the game gives you
>spamming items at all
Are you retarded, stop projecting
>>337465285
Armor is just fashion and Bloodborne has the best fashion
>>337465551
>Not wearing the Old Hunter hat and Gascoigne's Garb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0ii1E1Y1KI#t=06s
>>337465936
That last one actually his scream...
WHAT ARE YOU PLAYING AT FROM?
