How do we fix Pharah, /v/?
What about her and Overwatch make her fundamentally less useful than the soldier was in TF2, or Rockets in games like Quake?
But pharah is amazing against everything that isn't a widowmaker
Rockets travel slow
Small health pool
Contrary to her look, Pharah seems to be an ambush character that takes advantage of her super jump. She's not a front-line fighter.
superior rocketfu
>>337349561
She gets picked off like a turkey, ez. And can't deal with targets like Bastion who she is meant to counter.
>>337349680
>can't counter bastion
lol
lool
two hits bastion. Just peek corners and shoot. Thats it and bastion is dead and can't do anything to stop you other then just getting the fuck out of the way.
I wish competitive mode was in the open beta so people could understand their skill level more
>>337349680
>And can't deal with targets like Bastion
are you a fucking baka face
>>337349831
That's three, actually, faggot. Get your math right and figure out how Armor works. Where as Bastion will kill you by the time you show your head the second time (before you can shoot).
>>337349978
but 100% unequivocally objectively wrong and can't be refuted
>How do we fix Pharah?
By shipping her harder with Mercy
>>337349561
>everything that isn't a widowmaker
soldier is potent against her as well
>>337349360
>TF2 Soldier
>slow movement speed, but insanely mobile due to rocketjump
>highest HP of any class except heavy
>able to quickly disengage from bad situations and close distances with horizontal rocket jumps
>fastest class to get from spawn to middle point on nearly every map (sometimes demo is faster) with proper knowledge of rocket-jump roll-outs
>rockets, while slow moving and only moderate damage, have huge splash radius so he can utilize interior areas of the map to kill quick-moving classes
>has a shotgun for dealing with targets that are normally hard to kill with your rockets
>moves incredibly fast when at low HP due to le balanced pickeaxe
>easy to pick up, difficult to master, a class with a lot of depth
>isfun to play
>Pharah
>among the lowest HP classes in the game except for Tracer / Zenyatta
>very limited mobility skill (a vertical jump) tied to a long cooldown
>able to slow falling speed with jetpack boosters, which have "fuel"
>rocket-jump does basically nothing except hurt you
>rockets are slow, weak and have a very tiny splash radius
>has no answer to any class that rockets are lousy against
>crappy knockback ability
>ultimate does a lot of damage but makes you a sitting duck to a myriad of abilities that can punish you
>easy to pick-up, easy to master, no depth
>you'll get bored of her faster than you can say "JUSTICE RAINS FROM AB--AAAUUUGGH"
A direct hit with her rocket easily does over 100 damage
The physics for air-based movement is fucked for everyone except mercy and the gorilla
>mine jump with junkrat
>lose all forward momentum for no apparent reason. fall to the ground like a fucking rock
>dash with the ninja
>instantly stops like he hit a fucking wall
Pharah has the same problem except she doesn't instantly fall; She can slowly float around and get blown the fuck out of the sky.
Soldier in TF2 can take a hit unlike Pharah. Soldier Rockets also fly faster and hit harder. She is Queen of maneuverability so sacrifices have to be made I suppose. Her knockback kinda sucks though.
Make her white
>>337349360
Slow rockets, little splash damage and tiny radius, no secondary or melee because classes in overwatch are 1/3 of a TF2 class.
>>337350291
God I get such a hard on whenever I can float around the sky with her as Mercy, giving her my damage buff for ults, letting her soar like a beautiful eagle through the sky unharmed
Here are the major differences that affect Pharah.
More units can headshot Pharah, Sniper was weaker in TF2 than Widowmaker is here.
There are more "Sniper" classes in this game.
There are more characters with counters to distant, non-moving targets ( Roadhog, Genji, Bastion)
Remaining classes lack damage falloff (hard exception is Reaper), so you can't out distance turrets.
She's slow in the air, Rocket Jump in other games rely on the speed of gravity OR more rocket jumps to keep you from becoming a target, Pharah doesn't have that.
Relative to the rest of the cast, she doesn't have a large health pool the way Soldier did (second or third highest vanilla health if I recall correctly).
The biggest difference is that Blizzard wants you to get in the air and STAY there AND bring your healer along for the ride.
A smaller difference is that there are more fast targets in this game compared to TF2, but I don't think that's an actual problem.
There's no Capture Point or Capture the Flag, meaning there are no maps where teams switch between Attacking and Defending AND moving (King of the Hill requires you to be stationary to a degree), so ambush-play is less effective.
And finally, overhealing, Sym is the only one who can do it right now and it sucks.
Feel free to add to this list or tell my why certain points don't count, this was interesting to think about.
>>337349576
This senpai.
She's fantastic and was my favourite character.
You get behind them and rain rockets whilst darting out of view again. Its easy to clear a path for your own team with her.
But you have retards trying to use her in plain view of the entire enemy team.
>>337349680
>can't deal with bastion
I don't think i've ever died to bastion as pharah
you seem to be terrible at this game
>>337349360
> make her fundamentally less useful than the soldier was in TF2
she has a lower skill ceiling and does less damage, and actually is threatened by multiple other heroes
no class is threatening to a good soldier aside from good scouts and other good soldiers, pharah can be completely fucked in the air by multiple heroes
>roadhog hooks
>mccree stands back and shoots her out the sky
>even junkrat can kill her
>bastion can chip her down if he's ready, but pharah wins this most of the time
>widowmaker/genji/hanzo all shit on her
she has very little air mobility
>>337349360
Whenever I see someone trying to play Pharah like soldier in TF2, I die a little inside.
You can tell when someone has never gone fast in their life.
>>337350540
>i'm only good at easy characters
>>337350552
direct hits do 120, same as junkrat bombs
>>337350626
>pharah
>queen of maneuverability
>her rocket jump does basically nothing
>he mobility skills have long cooldowns
>>337349360
She needs more health.
And increased splash zone.
>>337350540
I think Soldier is easily the least fun class to play against though
>>337350580
>mine jump with junkrat
>lose all forward momentum for no apparent reason. fall to the ground like a fucking rock
You didnt play with it, and talk shit.
>>337349360Git gud
Pharah's rockets have tighter splash than almost all rockets in other games. She can two-shot most heroes if you land them, but otherwise its more like 4-5.
Use conc blast to position, avoid being in the air for no reason at all. Go from there.
>>337350637
I feel like they're 1/3rd TF2 and 1/3rd Moba, lacking the 1/3rd of rounding elements that would make it sensible for them to survive in the world ( like a side arm).
>>337350884
>her mobility skills have long cooldowns
Nigga you wat? Her jetpack recharges to full in a second, or were you too retarded to hold down space?
>>337349561
What?
Soldier76 hard counters Pharah
>>337350637
everyone have melee in OW.
Weak Antiwatch.
>>337350884
You have to use the environment to your advantage to move quickly as Pharah, not just depend on her shift and E.
Plenty of people play Pharah, but 95%+ have no idea how to bring out her actual potential.
>>337350991
Their jump jet has a 10 second cooldown, which is essentially their version of a rocket jump. That hover jet ability is a fucking joke, it doesn't even count as a mobility skill. It's basically just the soldier's parachute item, only you can't unequip it and get a shotgun instead.
>>337350892
Increased splash OR faster rockets.
More health OR more speed.
She feels incomplete, that's why its easy to imagine multiple ways to make her more effective, because instead of having strengths and weaknesses, she just has weaknesses and a weapon (technically).
>>337350540
>pharrah's jump only hurts you
>Soldier's rocket jump
>DOESN'T
>HURT
>YOU
>>337349360
She is neither of those things.
She is the Tribes element of the game.
That's why her jet is also on right click.
>>337350540
>very limited mobility skill (a vertical jump) tied to a long cooldown
>>crappy knockback ability
have a F R E E tip: that knockback works on you, and moves you pretty darn quick.
Regardless of anything else, a rocket jump that can be done at any angle - but costs health - is more interesting and fun than a 1-angle big jump with a 10-second cooldown.
>>337351442
Can't you read?
He's saying that's all Pharrah's rocket jump does while the Soldier gains massive momentum and movement at the cost of health.
>>337350580
>>337350956
he was probably just standing on top of it like a fucking retard
>>337351634
It also doesn't move you fast at all.
Walk up to a wall, hop, and fire directly into the wall. You won't go ANYWHERE.
>>337351247
this is some pretty weak sauce anon.
>heir jump jet has a 10 second cooldown, which is essentially their version of a rocket jump. That hover jet ability is a fucking joke, it doesn't even count as a mobility skill.
False, the jump pack is good, it will easily get you around, just a little slower. Pharah's mobility isn't like a soldier, you shouldn't be trying to play her as such, no wonder you got shit on and made this post.
>t's basically just the soldier's parachute item
No it isn't, you can easily fly up with it to pretty much any ledge or roof.
>you can't unequip it and get a shotgun instead.
Yes, because again THIS ISN'T TF2. If you're getting shit on as Pharah, you hero switch, it's part of the game, anyone who's actually played the game will tell you that.
>>337351710
>implying
https://youtu.be/-qFThhcswak?t=1m9s
Killl yourself you nigger.
Your forward momentum quickly deteriorates
>>337351215
>>You have to use the environment to your advantage
that goes for literally every other character too. 99% of the retards that tried out open beta didn't realize that. They all just picked a character played them like they would play call of duty with no regards to positioning, map, what your class role is etc
>>337351706
They conveniently forgot to mention how Soldier blows off his feet and breaks his legs each rocket jump. Makes his higher health moot to a degree.
It's folly to directly compare the two games. Soldier has few counters but there's only eight other classes. Why is Soldier's lack of weaknesses a good thing necessarily? OW is designed around counters.
>>337349978
>Play what is probably the most mobile character in the game
>Poke out from the same spot
Yeah you're fucking retarded. The entire point of Pharah is that you don't know where she is going to pop out from and launch missiles at you.
>>337350540
Pharah can rocket jump too so your entire post is invalid.
She can also jump on her concussion grenade skill.
>>337350769
Torbjorn can also "overheal" with armour.
>>337352134
>Links a video where one Junkrat consistently makes the jump while baddie can't.
>Forward momentum is lost because he impacts the wall
So what you are saying is that you suck at the game and other players are better than you?
>>337353646
Last point on hanamura.
Kill yourself
>>337350769
>Blizzard wants you to get in the air and STAY there AND bring your healer along for the ride
How are you getting this idea?
What has to happen in your head that you reach this kind of conclusion about the character?
>>337354151
I linked to a specific part of the video that demonstrates the momentum falling off and yet you're talking about the vertical jumps.
Are you really that stupid?
Do you know the difference between horizontal and vertical?
>>337354202
>Cherrypicks one broken point on one map in the game in an attempt to show a character is underpowered.
>Doesn't realize that his rocket is long-range, Bastion can't move, and you don't have to step on to the point in order to shoot at him.
I would agree with you if you said "Hanamura is a shittily designed map". It causes problems for a large number of characters
But thinking this somehow invalidates my point about Pharah only proves that you should kill yourself anon. Especially if you are still struggling against Bastion as Pharah.
>>337354282
The fuck devplay???
make her have limbs
>>337349360
But Pharah is probably the most balanced character in the entire game?
>>337354674
Last point on King's row Defense.
Fuck, first point on King's Row Defense, since everyone knows where you're coming from.
The indoor King of the Hill map.
I'll accept the arguement that it's primarily a map design issue, though, but don't pretend its not more widespread than that.
>>337354875
the first and last both have great flanking for climb characters and climb characters are great for both points
Reminder Phara x Mercy is OTP
>>337349360
Every character in Overwatch can be mastered within 10 minutes of playing unless. There's zero execution required. You literally push buttons and it does it all for you, no timing, aim, or motor skills required.
>>337355259
You're full of shit
Genji is literally harder than anything in that garbage game that is TF2
>Make a game
>Have RANDOM CRITICAL HITS IN IT
LOL!
>>337355259
You know that all those things are not possible because the characters were designed that way, but because Source is literally the simplest engine in the world, which allows all kinds of """"physics"""" shenanigans right?
>>337350540
>Soldier needs to hurt himself to be mobile
>Soldier has limited ammo
>There is this thing on your keyboard called "E" that Pharah can use for mobility, pseudo rocket jumping or dealing with enemies you can't take on at short range
>>337351823
He's talking about the E power, genius.
>>337355821
>He's talking about the E power, genius
So was I
>>337350540
>TF2
>Random critical hits
>Overwatch
>No random critical hits
I wonder which game can be taken more seriously
>>337349650
Battleborn art style is a fucking abortion.
>>337355710
What exactly are you trying to argue? Intentional or not, the fact remains the TF2 has psychics and different mechanics that make it way more complex than anything that's in Overwatch.
>Directly comparing two characters from two different games when the only similarity they share is that they both use rocket launchers
Why not put Anti-Tank class from the Battlefield games and compare them too?
>>337356625
Yeah but at the same time it also has random critical hits which immediately make it a garbage game
>>337356647
Why don't you just shut fuck up cunt?
Because the soldier was one of the objectively easiest classes in tf2.
>pick up soldier for the first time
>shit on entire server
>literally point in their general direction and shoot
the only thing that can stop you as a soldier is another soldier or a competent >pyro
>>337349360
Fuck off, pharah is the bane of my existence as zenyatta. Just two rockets in my general direction and the splash will kill me with no chance of escaping. Same with junkrat just blindly throwing grenades everywhere.
>>337349360
>What about her and Overwatch make her fundamentally less useful than the soldier was in TF2
Pharah has to actually aim
>>337353646
>Phara most mobile
weak bait faggot that goes to Genji
>>337360238
No, that goes to Tracer
>>337349650
My niggah!
Lore-wise, how long after death could Mercy revive someone?
What if she tries to revive someone who died of natural causes?
>>337360285
She has better movement speed when going forward Genji is by far the most mobile and agile when it comes to all around with his double jump climing and wall jumps. Almost any map is his play ground.
>>337360285
Tracer has zero vertical mobility and must climb stairs like a pleb.
>>337360408
This is true. She's better horizontally though.
>>337360384
I do suppose that's a better way to see it. Tracer is better horizontally, Pharah is better vertically, Genji is more well rounded.
Wait, people think she's bad?
I actually stopped playing her because she was so easy to just carry games with. Y'all just need to get good
>>337349360
farrah doesn't have crit rockets, and the game has no fall damage.
This is why her rocket launcher feels weaker
>>337350892
>>337351268
You cannot be serious
Her rockets fucking destroy everything if you even attempt to aim and she can fly around like a fucking phantom. Her biggest weakness is her immobile JUST ult that some strategic flanking/positioning takes care of just fine for the most part.
>>337360784
Her rocket launcher does at least 60 in splash and 120 if it hits head on though.
>>337361001
yeah but crockets do 270 plus falling damage in a game where the max health with overheal is 450
>>337356376
>tf2
>random critical hits which can be turned off and are in serious games
>overwatch
>TWENTY TICK for casuals which can't be turned off, even in serious games
>>337361364
Only three characters who are TANKS have over 300 health. Phara can one to two shot most characters you shitter.
>>337361534
>implying im arguing she is bad or that she can't 1 shot people
I'm just explaining why she feels weaker that the soldier, that class that is made to destroy immobile tanks and sentry emplacements.
>>337361859
But shes not weaker then him the only real difference is no fall damage and if there was fall damage in this game half the cast would be ruined.
>>337349680
>And can't deal with targets like Bastion
>>337351710
Different guy
The game barely gives you any forward momentum. It seems like once you're outside a certain radius you will be imparted the same vector regardless of distance to the device. In any other game with this sort of mechanic you'd be able to get some really horizontal jumps out of it. It feels more like impact hammer jumping in UT4 than it does rocket jumping.
A Pharah is meant to have a Mercy on her team at all times. They're meant to be together.
>>337361530
>TWENTY TICK for casuals which can't be turned off, even in serious games
That's wrong though, there's a 60 tick option for custom games
>>337360368
A long time. She could keep you youthful and immortal. That's why she's best wifey.
>>337362587
The servers are high tickrate, it's the client that's not. Stupid reddit memes.
>>337362147
For reference when you do a double mine jump you should be able to do stuff like tau jumping in hldm but you can't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nOKMPyRGCs
>>337362147
Which points to it more being a intentional balancing decision than the ability somehow being broken for me, especially for respawn.
Honestly I don't think the soldier was initially intended to have the sort of mobility you can get out of beggars + gunboats. If you looked across all pub servers, I'd imagine soldier consistently does better than any other class, so I can see why blizzard would make their equivalent character have much less horizontal mobility.
>>337362587
Which you will hardly ever use because you can't run private servers.
>>337362783
Which one do you think it is that tells the server that you ran behind that wall?
>>337350291
>>337362820
Knowing Blizzard, the reason why jumps feel so controlled in OW is because they are. Blizzard hates mechanics that they can't control, and leaving rocket jumps to the game's physics is the last thing they'll do.
All the boosts/jumping in OW are designed for and implemented as an intentional interaction, whereas the rocket jumping in TF2 is a side effect.
>>337350769
>Blizzard wants you to get in the air and STAY there AND bring your healer along for the ride.
But Pharah has a nice synergy with Mercy just like the Heavy with the Medic or just like my dick with your mom's insides.
It doesn't necessarily means it's meant to be played this way and this way only, Heavy wasn't even picked in TF2 competitive yet the medic was mandatory.
>>337363036
>Knowing Blizzard,
Man if valve stamping out mechanics was bad, I'd hate to see what it would have been like if blizz had been making fps for decades.
>>337349360
her role is supposed to be that of an airborne harasser, to punish teams for grouping up say behind a reinhardt. but splash damage is so worthless, she's much better in corridors and tight quarters because it's literally impossible to dodge the rockets there and direct damage is insane.
buff her splash damage, nerf her direct damage. ez.her ult is mostly fine.
>>337363036
but rocket jumps are in the games physics, they just aren't as good
>>337363402
So what you're saying is, junkrat a best?
>>337363484
They're rocket jumps, anon. They aren't ridiculously fast rocket jumps like what Soldier can do that let him fly from one side of the map to the other faster than Scout can.
>>337363036
>All the boosts/jumping in OW are designed for and implemented as an intentional interaction,
I hope they don't remove that jump at the beginning of russia.
Pharah is fun and if played properly arguably has no counters. She can snipe windowlickers and Soldier 76s and Bastions from across the map with no damage falloff forcing them to retreat or eat more rockets.
>but anon, I can't lead rockets that good! That means she gets countered!
literally get good punks
>>337362798
that level of skill is fucking ridiculous
Pretty sure Pharah is designed to destroy healers.
At least that's how I play her and it works really well.
>>337363713
>has no counters
What is McCree, Widowmaker, Hanzo, ROADHOG HOOK SKILLZ?
>>337349360
Honestly, let her fly more
Like, Armored Core sort of staying in the air firing rockets.
>>337363713
>trained with the direct hit
>got good
you guys got 2 weeks, might as well do this, you'll be good at her in now time
>>337364738
>IT'S HIGH NOON
>step out of sight or E him out of view
>Stuns you, press shift and then E to create distance and fall back/start juggling
>Widowmaker being a counter when you can juke the fuck out of her through your abilities and rocket juggling
>Hanzo
>see above
>Roadhog hooks you
>E, Shift, apply pressure
>>337363036
This so hard. I know the game is designed where if something doesn't work you just change characters, but there could at least be some dynamics to a character.
>>337349650
Why are you stuck in a shit game?
>>337364738
The argument was led with, "If played well," and i'm sincerely hoping you understand that skill will always beat on paper hard counters. A good pharrah will shit on a number of bad players, but same for every other character in the game.
>>337349360
Only people who say Pharah is underpowered are people who want to play her but can't get good. She is extremely powerful when used right
>>337365849
>skill will be hard counters
Yeah you kill pharah as junkrat. Oh sure it's possible but that skill difference has to be massive.
>>337349360
She's slow
She floats like an elephant
It's like I'm skeet shooting
>>337350956
no, hes right.
i played as rat the entire open beta and i should have been able to fling myself like demo, but couldn't. his conc jump starts nice, but you slow down in the air, which you fucking shouldn't given his size.
also fun to conc people into pits and off the side of mexico by cart start.
>>337352134
these guys suck
wow
i figured they would be teaching you how, but they are noob as fuck when it comes to conc jumping. just wish you could use rats nades to jump too.
>>337367941
They do suck but there's not much more you can do with them.
>>337357316
You mad
>>337363490
this, if i see a rein around. i bounce shit BEHIND HIM off walls and shit.
fuck, playing FPS for 2 decades makes me feel eilite as fuck playing this game. i just wish eygpt could rocket jump, then i'd be using her more.
>>337362783
But that's wrong, you fucking retard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHO6Ky-w0UQ
tl;dw client sends updates every 16ms, server sends updates every 48ms
>>337366153
yeah, im godlike with rat, so....
>>337368406
Just angling a mine really well is great. Sends his healer in the opposite direction and sends him careening into your forces who will then fuck him raw.
>>337368057
i use concs to dislodge reinhearts or basts. rats nades hurt when they hit direct.
>>337366584
>pharah
>skeet shooting
What are you trying to say anon?
>>337368836
I meant for movement.
Overwatch is designed for braindead women and children.
TF2 is designed for older PC gamers.
>>337351710
Compared with TF2, you lose momentum in the air extremley quickly in Overwatch.
>>337363713
>pharah has no counters
HA
HAHAHA
HAW HAW HAW
literally WHO IS ANY CHARACTER WITH A LONG-RANGE OR HITSCAN WEAPON
>>337368441
>>337362783
Yup. While the servers receives at a tickrate of 60, it only sends at a rate of 20.
This can be changed in custom game settings if you do a private match though.
>>337349680
>play Bastion
>hear a Pharah
>spray a little in turret to get her attention
>go out of turret and watch skies
>100% of the time dumb pharah players leap out in view for pokes
>I just gun them down with three shot bursts
>no spread, better damage than 76
>pharah player shits up chat begging for bastion nerfs
>I go back to turret and pentakill their team for potg
>>337369987
Don't you mean
>killed 2 people at a random unimportant time for potg
>>337349360
You just fix one character when the whole game is retarded.
There's a reason things are the way they are in TF2 whereas Overwatch is just a meltingpot of shit taken from different game and game genre and blizzard just taped the whole thing together hoping it would work and balance itself.
It doesn't. It's shallow and shitty.
>>337369426
Whats sad is how ass backwards 76s relationship with Pharah is
You would imagine accurate rifle man might do well
Except by any remote distance you drop to 5 damage, but die to 2 shots from her (or really just 3 splashes). You have to fully nearly twice (without missing more than 10/50 shots) to kill her.
>>337352875
>OW is designed around counters.
Whereas TF2 is designed around aiming and player skill. Amazing right? You counter people by outplaying them instead of picking another hero and pressing a button
>>337370336
>Whereas TF2 is designed around aiming and player skill.
Maybe around launch. It's basically about counters now thanks to the updates.
>>337370529
Not even close, shitter.
>>337368561
its what i did in TF all the time, its just basic to me.
>>337369079
>TF2 is designed for older PC gamers.
tf is also for casuals, dont kid yourself it is at this point a fucking free to play game
>>337369017
oh, i use it for movement all the damn time
i use it to get where snipers and other stupid classes think they are safe. 99% of the time, i kill them unless i jump in front of them somehow.
>>337370529
kek what?
>>337370750
>tf is also for casuals
>>337355259
>>337350892
I'd say give her the ability to move while doing her ult can give her 25 more health and it'd be fine.
>faster rockets that deal a bit more damage
>make the jetpack not complete shit
SPLASH DAMAGE
SPLASH DAMAGE PLZ
>these shitters thinking she is good
Try playing in competitive overwatch and you'll see how bad she is
>>337371797
Very few here are going to play outside of pubs. In pubs anything goes. Don't pretend that organized comp play and pubs are even remotely the same.
>>337349360
she is completely fine
>>337371941
There is no point in discussing if something is good at low level casual play. It's pointless.
>12 days to go
>TWELVE DAYS
>>337371797
This will happen in ranked when it launches and it will be fucking awful
Autists raging 24/7 that you aren't playing THE META?!?!?!?
>>337372181
That's kind of my point. It's going to lead to stupid shit like this >>337372315
>>337371797
she gets picked in comp though
>>337355710
I didn't know some there were people on this board retarded enough to think rocket jumping in tf2 was an accidental consequence of a shitty engine.
If you don't know jack shit about the subject why the fuck would you willingly embarrass yourself by taking the most stupid guesses ever? Have you no shame?
>>337372489
How can we even talk about comp and meta at this point?
The game hasn't even launched.
Either makes her rockets faster or deal more splash damage.
For a fully armored looking character, she's squishy as fuck. More hp would help.
Add a secondary ability to her rocket jump, a stomp of sorts for quicker descent.
>>337372872
people were playing comp in closed beta which lasted like a year.
>>337349360
As a Pharrah Main I just think she should have the last 50 of her health to be armor and that's it. It's just a slight buff in survivability from getting one shotted.
>>337373279
how does armor work?
isn't it just health you can't recover?
>>337373710
Half damage
>>337373795
no shitter, armor reduces the damage you take by 5 points everytime you take damage
>>337349360
She doesn't deal nearly as much damage as soldier, nor as rockets from quake/UT
But she is still super good, better then a lot of the other assault classes. If she would be any better, she'd be OP just like soldier.
>>337373710
it's recoverable but for normal health you could see that you take damage at a 1:1 ratio (ie. if an enemy gun shoots you once for 14 damage, you'll lose 14 health points) whereas armor loses it at about a 2:1 ratio (if the same 14 damage gun hits you you'll take 7 damage up until you run out of armor hp and move into regular hp)
>>337373710
-5 damage or if the incoming damage is less than 10 it halves the damage taken.
>>337351002
The word you're looking for is soft counter.
>>337370978
parachute, for casuals
razorback, for casuals
piss sniper, for casuals etc
the games rocket jumping mechanics are slightly more complex but that doesnt change the fact that the majority of players wont be able to pull off 2 consecutive rocket jumps (full of casuals)
in turn the scout equivalent in overwatch is much harder to aim with and play, you actually have to aim for critical spots rather walking up to pop a shot up close for 100 damage, anywhere you aim. talk about casual, rewarding plays that require no skill.
>>337349360
How can you fix what is perfect?
>>337350540
But the biggest problem with Soldier is that hes clearly OP. Pharah is at least balanced
>>337373182
So you're telling me we know the meta from a closed beta that doesn't even include balance changes from updates?
>>337351247
You're meant to rapidly tap your space bar to stay afloat, you fucking nigger. By the time you're forced to land you'll have about 2 seconds of cooldown on your Shift rocket boost.
>>337374876
there haven't been any balance changes since the closed beta
>>337349360
>How do we fix Pharah, /v/?
What needs fixing? She's fine, if a bit too fragile
git gud
>>337375087
You're telling me we have a meta from a closed bracket of players that isn't even a fraction of the playerbase?
overwatch needs a ctf mode.
>>337375436
I don't know if it would work in this game...it'd be interesting to see.
>>337375436
The only way for that to work would be to deactivate abilities when you're carrying the flag.
he has less mobility, even though she has a fucking jetpack.
>>337375741
jesus genji and especially tracer would dominate
>>337375838
Fuck those two. You know who would be the worst? Mercy. Especially if the team also has a Pharah.
>>337375409
yes, it's the same as any other game.
>>337350908
>not enjoying rocket jumping around the map, getting airshots and juggling fools
>>337375436
>6 Tracers vs 6 Tracers.
>first rumored hero is a healing support sniper
>>337376329
Pharah's mom?
>>337376329
Where did this start? The only article I read about this referenced 4chan as the origin of the rumor.
>>337376051
What I'm saying is it's way too early to even start to realize what the meta is. A majority of people are still learning the game and characters.
What exactly is the advantage of projectile weapons in this game; splash is small and so is splash damage, directs do good damage but since their firing speed is so slow DPS favors hitscan.
Seriously do Blizz even understand that projectiles are harder to aim than hitscan.
>>337376494
Just pick tracer and blink around killing shit. Or pick McCreed and ulti the living shit out of everyone. Or pick Reaper and ulti the living shit out of everyone. Or pick any of the spam classes and spam the living shit out of everyone.
Also, remember that you're 12 and you breath through your mouth.
>>337355259
The way the soldier decelerates at the end there kinda triggers me. Was TF2s physics that bad?
>>337376628
>since firing speed is slow
>>337351462
The only correct post in this thread, fucking hell you guys are a bunch of dried up shits.
>>337351462
Not even tribes 2 played as slowly as she did.
>>337376667
spoken like a true idiot.
>>337371797
>competitive
>overwatch
choose one
>>337376721
you have slight aerial control over your jumps which also is altered by how fast you're going. It's also very very difficult to pull something like that off while in the middle of a match.
>>337376318
>Bastions and torbs set up camp
>WOOOOOOW WHERE DID ALL MY HEALTH GO
>>337371797
she's one of the most picked characters
>>337376380
>>337376481
you can see a character model that isn't in the game being worked on in the documentary.
>>337374475
All that crap is optional and made solely for people who can't play worth a shit. Those people are still bad even with crutches.
Overwatch goes the extra mile by not even showing stats so "everybody is a winner" and everybody has an instant kill button.
>>337377324
Did it look anything like this?
>>337377325
TF2 already hides stats for players outside of points. (which are meaningless)
>>337362890
But he just said you can if you run a custom game...
Are you dumb or something?
>>337377324
link to it please
>>337356017
It knocks you back like 10 meters, I've used it multiple times to get out of a dangerous situation.
Not to mention making people fall off the map or down the well on ilos. That shit is comedic gold.
>>337376329
That's pretty sexy.
>>337377432
It looked like Sombra, who might be Pharah's mom imo, or Athena. I'm trying to find the pic of the dev working on the model right now.
>>337377518
But there's still K/D for TF2, isn't there?
>>337376729
your still out DPS'd by a good deal of hitscan, not to mention hitscan can headshot so even more DPS
>>337376819
Not necessarily no, but you can take some elements from tribes 2 from it, concussive grenade jumping, midairing, I don't even need to talk about leading someone with a grenade and midairing them. If they made her jumpjet much more faster jesus I would fucking wreck every single one of you bioderms
Why are there so many shazbots in this thread? Fuck
>>337350193
120 damage rockets vs 300 health bastion
>>337355546
>Genji
>Hard
HAHAHAHA; I could easily slice my way through the whole team while shooting my little stars across the map. Hard? No.
>>337377528
im trying to find it. but the character model itself was not detailed and had what looked like a hood on the head.
>>337377432
>mother has eye of ra on the left side
>daughter has eye of horus on the right side
good taste blizzard, they did their research for once
>>337377797
You can even simulate skiing by landing on a sloped roof.
>>337377432
You can tell where Pharah got her god-tier looks
What /v/ thinks Blizzard's approach to Pharah was:
>Uhhh
>TF2 had a soldier
>So just maker her Solider
>But make it easier
What it more likely was:
>So the game is very 'horizontal' and people's feet are on the ground more often than not
>Lets make a hero with a more "vertical" playstyle
>What kind of weapon suits that playsty- rockets? yea, rockets.
>Oh, neat, that also gives mercy some extra mobility and makes her more fun to play
>Babies complain because Pharah isn't point-and-click faceroll like the Soldier
>>337376932
Oh, you really got me there. Now what? Are you going to call me 'salty'? Or are you going to play your childrens game with shitty tickrate, classes made for casuals and have 'fun' with your 'friends'? I bet you are. You've just shown me, kid. I'm in tears rite now.
>>337352134
>watch video
>it's 5 minutes of an idiot that doesn't know you need to jump while detonating for maximum momentum/height
>this one retard who cant corner peak to kill bastion
>>337350908
if you play bad classes like engineer or spy, I enjoy fighting against decent soldiers as a soldier/demo/scout. Medic even, since surfing their rockets away out of harm is fun.
>>337378381
I play with friends, loving my 60hz tickrate.
>>337377990
>>337378203
Pharah is so good looking that it causes me physical pain
Fuck everything
Bastion is o p pls narf
1. baston shoot many hurt babushka
2. baston hard like rusian tank
3. bastion make tyime life of game hard
>>337378796
>/fit/ pharah
I NEED TO STOP FAPPING SOMEBODY HELP
>>337349360
Pharah's problem is that she can't maintain momentum. Sure you have the concussion blast, but after half a second, she's slowed to a crawl. Which is bullshit because what could possibly be slowing her down that much when she's in mid air?
>>337378938
No
>>337378945
it would be awesome if she kept her momentum, how do we get blizzard to do that?
>>337379136
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
Played closed beta to 100, got to 50 during the weekend. Played Pharah A LOT and I personally think she's fine right now.
The difference between a Pharah players and a good Pharah player is using their conc blast whenever its up.
>>337378208
That or the "built in high ground" character came first then they built Mercys concept around the ability to follow everyone including the flyer.
>>337377990
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>>337349360
i mained soldier in tf2 but i just dont feel the similarities with pharah
wat do?
>>337349360
Her rockets don't seem to deal as much splash damage as in other games and she's quite fragile. I think the rockets are workable though, she could probably use a slight buff in survivability but that's it.
>>337379513
brOTP
>>337379613
Because there aren't any? Soldier is all rocket jumping. Pharah doesn't have it.
>>337379159
Er well we don't, because that would raise the skill ceiling for her too much and then a skilled pharah could beat any class in the game, especially when so much of the cast have short range/non-hitscan wepaons. The game is for casual audiences, so they're not going to put in something fast and high-skill like that.
>>337349360
We don't. Her dependence on mobility and accuracy is what makes her so fun.
>>337379338
I just started to learn to rely on my conc blast.
It's the best on levels with pits
>>337379613
play tf2
Soldier honestly just has so much more mobility options than Pharah. Pharah can hover slowly and has a rocket launcher, compared to a soldier that can build momentum by shooting his feet.
>>337378381
you're retarded. but i think you deserve an explanation.
>Just pick tracer and blink around killing shit.
even though she high skills to be used. her hp is shit and she cant take on tanks and multiple characters
>Or pick McCreed and ulti the living shit out of everyone.
except that mcree has the hardest ult to use in the game
>Or pick Reaper and ulti the living shit out of everyone.
reaper is the weakest offensive hero in the game and is actually better on defense. so if you let him get the upper hand to use his ultimate. you are bad and so is your team.
i dont understand why you are so assblasted about ults. to build ults you have to get kills and deal damage (healing works too). you have to be good and you get rewarded for being good. but you're so garbo you can't even do that and complain about it.
>>337379614
QUAKE ROCKETS, fast and little splash. Funny how people can complain about them, if you can aim they are fucking ridiculously good. I can 1v1 close range Reaper, McCree, Tracer or Genji easily, and that's playing against tryhard 6 stacks.
>>337378064
yes this too, I laughed like an autist when I discovered it
>>337349360
have mercy hand holding her and she suddenly amazing.
>>337379274
More torment for you
Didn´t even need concussion
