Was Charles Lee a decent antagonist?
Would AC3 be better received on some level if we felt a stronger motivation to find and kill the bastard
AC2/Brotherhood focused on the Borgia family as the main source of >muh evul conspiracy and to an extent I`d say the villains served their purpose in moving the story further
>>337321665
Charles wasn't a decent antagonist because the game didn't focus too much on what else his character was besides being Connor's lost chew toy.
But he would've made a good character if it followed George Washington more.
>>337321665
no he was not
>>337321665
AC2's villains were fucking terrible, they were cartoonishly evil. They might as well have been Snidely Whiplash. Granted the Borgias genuinely were like medieval supervillains but still, AC3 and AC1 had much better writing for their villains. If only AC3's protagonist weren't complete shit.
AC3 protag sucks.
Helps the guy that burned down his village.
Doesn't help his native folks that are slaves even though he has the power to do so.
ac3 was just terrible through and through and really showed how ubishit had a dozen studios working on it with each one having no idea what the other was doing.
>>337321816
The early sequences of AC2 were intentionally light and comically.
>>337322004
The entirety of the AC2 trilogy has laughably stupid writing. But Ezio is likable enough to carry it. AC1 had good writing and an unlikeable protagonist, AC3 had mediocre writing and an unlikeable protagonist.
>>337321816
Assassin's Creed 1 and IV had more respect for the main villains, even made the protagonist seem like neutral antiheroes than goody two-boots vigilantes.
III and Rogue were mixed bags in characterizations but way better than Ezio's cast of mustache-twirling old men.
>>337321665
WHERE'S CHARLES LEE
>>337322158
AC1's villains were genuinely fantastic, all of them, not just the main villain. I really enjoyed all the villain monologues where they basically told you exactly why what you did was stupid and short sighted.
>>337321665
WHERE IS CHARLES LEE?!
>>337322308
holy shit i can still hear him in my head and i hate his voice
>>337322367
Except for Abbas, but he was technically a Revelations character.
>>337322462
yeah an okay character, revelations really went under the radar, kinda depressing
>>337322462
I really enjoyed Malik and Altairs subtle character development over the course of the game too. And then in the Revelations flashback, Malik is like Altair's right hand man. Shit was great. I really had high hopes for this fucking series, I thought 1 was such a great foundation to build on, what a fucking trainwreck.
So what did you guys think of the AC movie trailer?
>>337321665
I'm a general! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
AC3's prolog was good.
>mfw HOW YOU LIKE THEM APPLES?
>>337322765
Trailer's better than expected, still almost certainly gonna be a shit movie.
>>337321665
Borgia was a cooler villain. I like my villains uncomplicated, I like really wanting to punch them in the face.
>no books ... no wisdom ... just you, fratello mio
>>337322920
ACII was the only game where you could beat up a pope. Other games, you'd probably just sniper them or whatever.
>>337323471
There is an alarming lack of pope punching games in the industry.
>>337322786
The intro sequences where u play as Haytham actually were good for Lee
What happened to the combat in III? They described it as faster and that you could fight while running or some shit, but it's slowed down more than II with the enemy types forcing you to use one tactic.
While I'm at it why the fuck can't I equip my bare hands or the fucking hidden blade anymore in Unity!?
>>337323492
When you think about it Ubisoft got the balls and got away with having the pope receive a proper ass whoopin
>>337321665
I don't remember much about AC3, but I remember hunting down Charles Lee while we were both wounded and having a drink in a bar or something while he bled out. That was prettyfun
>>337323958
Faster as in you can pull off counters far easier and that you can run and kill by holding the attack button as you ram down an unsuspecting guard.
Meanwhile in Unity, they stripped down everything trying to up the combat challenge so that everyone will try Multiplayer.
>>337324045
yeah thats the ending of AC3, it was really unsettling how both of them looked at each other and said almost nothing
>>337323958
>While I'm at it why the fuck can't I equip my bare hands or the fucking hidden blade anymore in Unity!?
Bare hands+cestus were my favorite weapons in 2. This makes me glad I dropped the series at 3.
Most AC villains are either underused or too cartoonishly evil
>>337323958
Game was unfinished, why do you think it was bugged to fuck when it came out even though the Ezio trilogy was all pretty polished? Ubisoft gave em a hard deadline and the game just wasn't finished. For fuck's sake they cut the monologue that gives you the entire catharsis of the story.
>>337324147
nice cheat engine mate : ^ )
>>337324032
No one's gonna get angry about Borgia getting an ass whooping, his corruption is very well documented.
>tfw hidden blade only run in AC1 makes it the best game in the series
>most people never even realize you can do combat counters with the hidden blade that instakill any enemy in the game, including the final boss
>>337324269
Not cheat engine, downloaded save.
>>337324147
I liked Unity's combat a lot, since it was actually kinda tricky. It even vaguely reminded me of Souls combat. You had your light attack, heavy attack, roll, and parry.
Big shame that they removed grabbing guys as meat shields though
>>337324379
Most people didn't even know you can do air assassinations in AC1, as well as advanced vaulting.
>>337324147
Unity fucked up by segregating the multiplayer instead of making it a simple jump in, jump out affair. Co-op story missions, at least. I imagine it's pretty fucking great if you're playing with friends and not actively trying to screw each over by not playing the game as intended.
>>337324589
But you can jump in and out
>>337324402
why would you download a save of AC3 to begin with
>>337324379
It's more like AC1 had perfect amount of gear you would need for every situation while subsequent games turned the main character into a walking armory.
>>337324706
I lost mine and no way in hell am I repeating the story. I just play through free roam while having fun with the assassin recruit settings.
>>337324765
I fucking wish I can craft darts in bulk in Black Flag, that shit used to drive me nuts while on a mission
>>337324182
Playing as older Ezio near the end of the game just dodging and disarming enemies' weapons and knocking them unconscious.
We even lost the ability to dodge like that somewhere, wasn't it 3 as well? I also loved dodging instead of counter killing when you were young Ezio before being trained, you could slip behind them and just pierce their necks.
Shit, how about how difficult it was in 1 to fight by only countering with the single hidden blade? Compared to how it became a regular weapon afterwards anyway. Then the enemies would get spooked as fuck when you started killing guys with your hand and run off.
>play as Haytham
>Charles is a pretty cool sidekick and upstanding fellow
>play as Connor
>Charles is the most obvious, ugly villain ever seen
What went wrong?
>>337324441
I hated the shit out of Unity's combat because it was slow and that you relied on smokebombs and medicine just to end the forced fights. I mean don't get me wrong, I like a challenge but in parts where you're forced to fight, it gets dragging.
Then again I only finished it with a vanilla run so most of the enemies were bullet sponges.
>>337324832
yeah ok thats fine, i wouldn`t have bothered if my save got deleted, I wasted 3 hours on a full sync at the boston siege mission with the 2 ships where u have to sneak undetected, air assassinate a jacobite and some other shit
>>337324883
TEMPLARS.
Not even once.
>>337324865
Hell AC1 had enemies that could fake attacks and COUNTER. We lost that much in the next games.
>>337324865
Because they had this great idea of changing overall controls in AC3 for some reason even though it didn't need changing and no one was asking for it. Also, for all the blandness of the main campaign DLC campaign more than made up for it by actually being fun.
>>337324883
do you remember that one fucking piece of hair across his forehead that was soaking wet all the time for some reason
>>337324935
>the two ships air assassinate grenadier
The things I did for that buggy Altair suit
>>337324989
dlc pros:
>eagle flight
>hot mom cameo
cons:
>the animus retrieve your wolf power shit
I imagine I'd still be enjoy this series if they didn't make it a yearly franchise. Yeah yeah, they're taking a year off now, but open world games are completely blase at this point because everyone's doing them.
>>337325029
I DID IT FOR AUTISM
>>337325145
>AC1 had collectible flags that unlocks nothing
>They did it making fun of collectibles and achievements
>Fast forward 8 years later
Rogue still had the best collectibles
>>337325145
holy fuck is this unity
im at the end of black flag and Im enjoying the occasional 2 chests on an island errand
>>337325302
>Playing Rogue and Black Flag with the big mouth cheat
and I thought they didn't care
>>337325251
I loved how almost any action you could do in AC1 was pertinent to whatever your mission was at the time. There's a lot of great stuff that game did that got overshadowed by people complaining about repetitiveness.
>>337321665
My biggest problem with AC 3 was the main story. Im not American so it was boring as fuck. I really couldnt care less about red indians, and im a bit of an ameriboo. The main in-animus stories have gotten progressively lazier and more cliched since AC 2.
Another major problem was that there were NO FUCKING GOOD CITIES. if I want an AC game I want a built up city to free run around in, not fucking forests. AC 4 only managed to negate this with its ships.
>>337325379
>weeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>337325565
see >>337321996
The creative teams were a clusterfuck and they had probably retconned several things after the "CONNOR IS A PATRIOT, BRITAIN BIAS" cries during the trailer's release
>>337325302
Yeah but most of them are just chests. There are some coat of arms artefacts but Unity does not even compare to Syndicates map size what you have to do to unlock them and how fucking cluttered the map is.
>>337325565
I wonder if ac3 would have been better if the ship could be used to go between Boston and new york and there was more shit to do at various spots along the coast a la 4.
>>337322786
Yeah. He's not the choice I would have gone with.
>>337325565
>Another major problem was that there were NO FUCKING GOOD CITIES.
That was just a fucked up setting choice they purposefully made. They probably banked on wilderness being a refreshing change of pace.
>>337325729
The wilderness might have been alright if they had more than one tall tree model. Climbing the same tree over and over to get all the scenic views made the entire wilderness feel like a chore.
>>337322765
pretty good desu. I'm expecting good things from a guy who made one of my favourite movie adaption of macbeth.
>>337325690
not Imo, the ship began to feel repetitive towards the end of black flag (Which was twice the game AC3 was) and through out rouge. The game was just irredeemably bad.
>>337325818
well the other thread is pessimistic at best but I can't blame them. Praying that I might have something to look forward to.
>>337325841
>rouge
come on, man
fuck, responded in the wrong thread
>>337325729
>>337325816
>>337325668
That's because this unreleased beta demo was comfy as fuck, but the end result was meh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg3F0SaPfp0
>>337324984
Oh yeah I forgot about the assholes that would feint.
>>337324989
I'll have to get that when I eventually get around to starting III over for completion's sake and for a want to go back to when you could leave the simulation to a Desmond overworld.
>>337326051
it was such a bad game, but still somehow better than AC3
>>337326051
GETTING REAL TIRED OF YOUR SHIT, VANE
>>337325718
Thx love you anon
>>337326121
>rouge
>rogue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWPUPKYWbLQ
Excuse me, which way is the Observatory
>>337325565
It wasn't boring because you're not American, at first I thought being American was the reason I was uninterested. It was just an awful choice of time period for this series.
>>337326417
>Edward: WHERE IS THE OBSERVATORY
>Connor: WHERE IS CHARLES LEE
Haytham couldn't give fucks even when his sister was kidnapped
>>337326112
Getting to wander around monteriggioni as Desmond was really cool I thought.
I think Connor was more of a problem for III than Lee was. Remember like the first time he goes to Boston with Achilles?
>Connor in bar
>goes up to random dude
>"WHERE'S CHARLES LEE??!!"
I can't be the only one who thought that was awful.
>>337326417
kek, the hp bar and draw dildo button
>>337326612
Well to be fair he's socially inept and unknowing in how society works outside of his homeland.
>>337326612
nah thats when he went with Faulkner and his ship to a completely random bar outside of Boston
>>337321665
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpO8BO6GWSM
>>337326687
Lord knows why they decided to make his primary characteristics: angry and stupid. It's not like everyone else in the tribe came off as autistic, just Connor.
>>337326794
>guys how are we going to top Ezio's character with the fifth game?
>Make him less charismatic so he wouldn't feel like an Ezio clone
>>337326519
Yeah and you had that weird time limit.
They seemed to be hinting at you eventually being able to do assassinations in the real world with Desmond as the games progressed, did that ever go anywhere?
>>337326869
Instead he felt like an Altair clone with all the self righteousness and none of the character development.
>>337326886
Desmond does 2 or 3 assassination missions in ac3 but at the end he just unceremoniously dies.
Tell you what, the main bad guy of Syndicate was fucking useless. Everytime you kill off one of the templars, he just acts like he doesn't care in each cut-scene. For the "ruler" of London, he was no threat at all.
>digging Achilles' grave at the end
>while Achilles' letter is read in his voice
>mfw
>>337327068
I've felt that way about the last few AssCreeds to be fair, it's always the same deal:
>before mission
>Templars trying their hardest to stop you from killing <minor character>
>Being the protagonist, you of course do kill the guy
>Head honcho mysterious character is like; "no matter, our plans move forward, this actually works in our favour..."
Every fucking time. Every mission.
>>337327068
He or the guy from Revelations (that no one remembers) are probably the overall worst villains in the series.
>>337327463
although someone mentioned revelations "villain" in this very thread, i don`t remember his name,
It starts with M i believe
>>337327463
To be fair Ahmet and the Byzantines weren't in control of the city and just had a few buildings to themselves. He was a weak antagonist but far from the worst.
>>337326992
Damn, at least he gets something done.
>>337324861
>that one jungle mission where you have to slip by the natives without killing them and them detecting you
>no more darts left
AC3 suffered from being the game that followed Ezio's trilogy. I think Lee and Connor are fine characters, but compared to Ezio, the Pazzi, the Borgia etc. they're not as memorable.
>>337327463
wait, there was an antagonist in revelations?
>>337328809
I vaguely recall chasing a guy on a carriage at the end, and that's it.
>>337328521
>fine character
explain.
>>337328809
Either Fatty McTemplar or the evil uncle.
I don't fucking remember.
>>337329091
I just don't think they're as bad as everyone makes them out to be.
>>337328809
>>337329168
Currently replaying the game. The plot is that someone in the royal family is doing treason. You follow the army general and you kill him, but he was actually on the good guys' side and he was sabotaging an arms deal. You then go to the cave city and kill the uncle who was the real traitor all along.You proceed to murder a hundred people in a cave explosion you causedto cripple the Byzantine Templar army and then you chase Ahmet through Constantinople as he kidnaps your love interest and goes out to escape in the fury roads of Istanbul.
Then you catch up with him, the Sultan catches up with you. Sultan kills traitor and tells you to fuck off with your waifu and never return
>>337329405
The novel makes Haytham decent and Connor a bit more explained the same way the novels did Elise DelaSerre justice with her godawful character in the main series.
>>337329091
>spend whole game chasing the guy who burned down your village
>find out later that George Washington told him to do it and he was just following orders
>"uh hey george washington where's that guy?"
fucking retarded plot
it also pissed me off a lot when he got all butthurt that his dad used torture to get answers, when meanwhile he usually murders like 1000 people every time he wants to figure something out
>>337329643
I still haven't read the Haytham novel. "Forsaken" I think it is? Would you recommend it?
Holy shit the trailer for AC movie is a fucking mess.
>>337329878
It's alright. It's a neat novel up until Connor arrives and the novel goes a bit too rushed in the end parts.
I guess you can say that Connor keeps ruining everything.
>>337330189
Hardly. The music was shit but it gives enough as a teaser while showering the audience with flippy moves and sci-fi, along with location scenery.
>>337329818
Shay should've been the III protagonist anti-hero
>>337324993
kek
always stressing and sweatin
>>337326417
>Hey! Fuck off! What's wrong with you?
>rolls off boat
>>337329592
thanks, I was really sad I didn`t remember any of it although playing it earlier this year...
