>Americans believe WW1 was fought with muskets
>Dev has to correct their expectations
>>337307870
>Dice
>American
¿Que?
>>337308643
>Reading comprehension
>>337307870
The lead dev drew a conclusion that it's a "common misconception", while admitting that it was only his own team that was actually that retarded.
In America, at the very least, WW1 is famous as fuck for mustard gas and tanks. All this really says is DICE is full of both uneducated and socially detatched retards.
This is actually the first time I've heard anyone who thought they used muskets in WW1. Did they just not teach them the part where a shitload of men got mowed down by machine guns or something in history class?
>>337307870
WWI was a battle of attrition though. Most of the action was shotting from your trenches to the opposite threnches all day every day and mortar barrages.
Only the most disputed strategical points saw bombardments and tank action and still those were meant to hold a vauable position rather than gain enemy territory.
>>337311047
Amurricans don't know anything about universal history, sometimes not even their own story.
>>337307870
just the fuck, I haven't met anyone that thought muskets were in the civil war.
>>337309652
You're kidding right?
I've seen plenty of people thinking that this is a fucking alternate history or some shit.
>>337309652
Well they are Swedish, Sweden is basically a meme country now.
>>337312713
Pretty sure people have been saying that for reasons other than the lack of muskets.
>>337311421
>Americans
>Swedish dev
Apply yourself
>>337315146
learn to read.
>>337312713
People have been saying that more for people running around with machine guns and wearing gothic plate, the common idea is that everybody had bolt action rifles and machine guns were heavy crew weapons while armor was nonexistant
Wasted potential. The game. So sad it's just crap.
>>337312713
They think that because of the "but it has a super secret twist that changes everything ;)" shit DICE has been saying.
Europeans don't actually believe that the
>american education
meme is anything more than banter, right?
>>337315581
I'm so very butthurt right now
>>337315261
You first
>>337309652
>>337309652
Many European countries have this problem.
They then try to downplay the importance of America's entry and that Australians were nothing more than fodder.
>>337315821
I'm sorry. Do you want to talk about it?
>>337315827
Eat shit, burger.
>>337316097
German command made special note of where colonial troops( ex Canada, Australia) were since after the war had been going on for a few years they were healthier and better equipped.
>>337307870
>Europeans believe WWI was fought by niggers
>>337307870
no one thinks that
what the fuck
>>337307870
And Swedes believe there were mudslime women warriors
>>337316287
>So angry over the glorious burger
where did hamburger touch you friend?
>>337311047
>mowed down by machine guns
No mans land, right. I was confused about automatic weapons, I thoight maybe he meant assault rifles
>>337316859
I watched a video in which a dude really just said something to the effect of "This might not be rooted in history since they mostly just used muskets and bolt guns and gamers are used to rapid fire and modifications" or something like that.
Another guy who actually saw a playable build had to correct him with what DICE has stated.
Really though, I'd think there are quite a bit of people don't entirely know what weapons were used in WWI becuase there are hardly any media about it. People just assume it's the next step back from WWII and went too far back since they don't know anything about weapons or WWI in general
>>337311280
Most of the deaths were from artillery.
>>337309652
>Swedens
>knowing anything about war
>>337318063
I swear to god, if they talk in the game like they do today in modern times I will kill a black baby and put it on liveleak.
It's too bad the dev didn't realise that no negros fought in WW1.
>>337316097
While the USA was the reason the allies won both wars, their contribution is overestimated in the minds of Americans.
>sweeden
>haha people are so dumb they dont know anything about ww1
>random nigger dressing like its 2015
>random muzzie on horseback
Seriously dice
>>337318468
It is too bad that you are wrong and that every time you say that you make yourself look retarded.
>>337318468
There were some, people pulled in from the colonies and descendants of slaves in the home countries, but they were very rare
>>337318468
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/369th_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States)
>>337318063
Wow, one whole squadron in a war that killed millions! Such a huge contribution, truly this was a war of the black man
I can't think of single person I know who thinks muskets were used in WWIexcept possibly multiple women, but that's par for the course unfortunately.
Can't wait to play this game, gonna rain artillery down on campibg snipers from a battleship. Jump it a triplane and do some dog fighting, then i'm gonna jump on a horse, ride in to battle and shoot noobs in the face with my riffle.
This game is going to be awesome.
>>337318612
>USA was the reason the allies won both wars
Nigga, US intervention only shortened WW1, entente already won on the long run.
>>337318107
Who is that moron?
Even if trench warfare is all he knows about WW1, he should also know about rushing and mowed down by machine gun
>>337318850
>backtracking instead of admitting you were wrong
>>337308712
Speak for yourself, Americans are not featured nor mentioned in the article.
Burgers love war, as a matter of fact the world's biggest WW1 museum is in the USA.
I swear to god if I see AAA on a ship I'm going to slap a swedecuck in the feminine penis
>>337318992
You're not going to rain down shit.
Artillery will be a commander ability.
All the planes will be taken within the first second of round start.
There will be no horses in MP.
It will be just like any other BF game, except grayer.
>>337315730
American education is dire.
>>337318468
They did, but it was segregated. Blacks and whites never fought alongside each other even if they did fight on the same side. I wonder if the devs are going to include this or just pretend segregation never happened.
>>337319157
>There will be no horses in MP
please don't let this be true. it would invigorate battlefield multiplayer, the game NEEDS cavalry.
>>337319157
Why are you talking about things you know nothing about as if you do?
They have already said you will be able to use multiple naval vehicles and they have also said you will be able to ride horses.
>>337319082
WWI was fought 99% by whites, I wasn't really wrong. Europeans would disagree, they emphasize the importance of modern minority ethnicities in all historical events
>>337319085
I think that may have more to do with Euros not wanting to be reminded of the conflict outside of remembrances
>>337319371
don't pretend those people exist in only europe. they exist in all western nations.
>>337319205
>Blacks and whites never fought alongsid
This in't true at all, jesus christ why do you people make this shit up?
>>337316287
>makes such an asspained response after getting BTFO so hard
>>337315730
It's pretty fucking bad.
Even very good public schools teach bullshit lies and education standards are bizarrely low.
>Can you recite 100 vocabulary words from memory? You pass foreign language class
>Can you string together five paragraphs with an introduction, body, and conclusion? You pass english class
>x^3=cos(0)/sqrt(16). Can you solve for X? You pass math class
>Can you do all of the above? Here's your diploma
>>337319085
Before WW2 people in the US were largely against foreign wars
>>337318612
It was a war of attrition, once the allies got support from the us, germany had to try an all out attack in an all or nothing kinda deal but failed, without the us, either germany would have run out of soldiers or the brits run out of food
>>337319590
>tfw not even american and can't do that math problem
>spawn as a rifleman
>run to the objective
>die of typhus and spanish flu
>>337319590
it's because they have no money. that's literally entirely to blame. all of America's money goes to paying for their boatloads of old people, "foreign aid" of which billions go to israel (this is not /pol/ stormfront bullshit it is fact) and the F-35, Zumwalt class, and other weapons systems that they don't need, while their schools suffer.
>>337315689
If anything it'll be some shitty ass sort of futuristic superweapon a la Wolfenstein
>>337319808
calling it right now, airships are the super weapons and they're super hard to destroy
FUCKING WOOLIE
>>337319401
>more to do with Euros being sensitive faggots
What else is new.
>>337319743
cosine of 0 is 1 and the square root of 16 is ???
>>337319371
>black main character means they think most soldiers were black
>>337318063
History fag here
When General Pershing arrived in france, he went to one of the french commanders and said "we were forced to bring a bunch of niggers with us. we dont want them so you can have them. and we dont need them back."
I just hope you can do jihad horses like jihad jeeps in BF3/4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjL_Yrfcz2s
>>337319760
Are you unironically talking about f-35's? Those are a military necessity, them actually working is irrelevant
>>337319590
>go to a shit school district
>OMG US EDUCATION IS HORRIBLE
>>337319851
That's a bit unfair, after the war almost all the males of a generation were dead. It was a much rawer wound.
>>337320235
>after the war almost all the males of a generation were dead.
complete bullshit
unless you only meant serbia lel
There was certainly what could be named an African Theatre present in WW1. Germany was a present colonial power on the continent, with plenty of resources to protect.
It was an interesting conflict, with plenty of sometimes/often majority-black participation in British, French, Belgian, and German forces. Really neat fighting effort the krauts put up being so vastly surrounded in southwest and western Africa.
I would adore a game about the African theatre of WW1. This bullshit is, of course, pandering in an attempt at grabbing shekels. It isn't to illuminate some oft-forgotten piece of history or anything as they might allude to. It's for the sales.
Can't really blame them, I guess. Still not gonna think about buying it.
>>337319590
That's a problem shared by all developed nations. You can teach breadth or depth, but breadth will better equip students for the modern world.
Saying that, things have progressed to where graduating primary education alone is a weak showing in America; you need several AP honours, a GPA above 4.5, teacher recommendations, and leadership roles to be considered a good student. Hell, some American colleges are letting primary school students take classes so they have a head start on their bachelors.
If the American education system sucks at one thing, it's bureaucracy. Needless redundancy and 'busy' positions, tenure lock-in, bizarre private sector contracts, etc. A byproduct of needing to administrate the third most populous country in the world, but the kind of shit that should be addressed by breaking things up by state.
>>337320308
I would kill to be able to play as a soldier in Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck's guerilla army in East Africa.
The US isn't the reason for victory in either war because of MAH USA, it's because of the massive amount of supplies we brought with us.
US supplies were a godsend to the Russians for example. In both wars Russia suffered so much loss and suffered so much starvation, particularity due to its major agricultural regions being under enemy occupation in the second world war, the involvement of US industry was mana from heaven.
And then there was the land-lease.
No one ever gives a shit about the Canadian involvement in both wars which was also super important. Or the fact that not just young Britons were in the skis of the Battle of Britain. Volunteers from everywhere were flying up there to help out regardless of their countries being officially part of the war at that time or not. It's why London's St. Paul's Cathedral has dedicated memorials to badasses like Billy Fiske who was a New Yorker that flew up there along with others in special "Eagle Squadrons".
>>337317013
Woolie did.
>>337319031
No, it didn't.
See:
>>337319679
The brits would've run out of food. It's funny, because the Germans offered a peace treaty, but a handful of jews went to England and suggested England not accept that treaty and that they were going to make the USA join the war, their price was Israel.
Get redpilled, son.
And in the second world war, it's obvious that Germans would've won. The Japs could've just started attacking the Soviets from the East and it would've been over, instead, the USA joined the war and at that moment the war was lost for the Axis, cause even if the Germans managed to overcome the USSR, the Americans would still have developed the atomic bomb.
>>337320340
Pretty sure school districts aren't even obligated to offer advanced placement classes, that's just something that districts with more resources can do to draw in more white collar parents.
>>337314556
>Sweden is basically a meme country now
This statement should be more prevalent, I have never seen a better description of Sweden then this sentence.
>>337320308
>East African campaign
>shoot the beehives to attack the enemy
>>337320435
Absolute madman, dude. Basically just running around barely-remotely-civilized Africa with literally no supply lines at all, equipped and supplied COMPLETELY on plunder from the enemy. For four fucking years.
No chance of it, though. Real shame.
>>337320562
The British introduced rationing in 1918. The Germans had food riots by 1915. Britain wasn't the one running out of food.
>>337320340
>you need several AP honours, a GPA above 4.5, teacher recommendations, and leadership roles to be considered a good student.
I attended an acceptance ceremony for a medical school recently, for a family member. EVERY fucking student that was accepted had some list of accolades that was a combination of the following
>GPA of upwards of 4.0
>member of some exclusive sorority/fraternity
>chair member or leader of some student organization
>volunteer laborer at some big deal charity organization
All I could think was, holy shit, these people have no souls. That was BEFORE med school. Imagine if your whole fucking life was pursuing a career.
>>337320563
You're right, they aren't. Which is why kids from New York Nosebleed are so outclassed by Seattle Burclavians. Feds only have the time and money to get bare minimum in classes around the country (not helped by POTUS policy flip-flop), so it's up to parents to push things beyond that shitty image Europe has of the US.
>>337307870
Most weapons were bolt action rifles though. I hope they dont go too far and give everyone ak 47 secret russian prototypes
>>337320538
Makes sense. Canadians on one of the least historically savvy people on the planet. All they know about is France and the US and both are just cursory, I've met some Canadians that were so oblivious of other cultures I legit thought they were US locals.
Give me some good WW1 documentaries.
>>337320562
>germans could have won WWII
>it's obvious
Topest kek
>>337321112
what is youtube
>>337321158
Which ones should I watch though.
American here. Never in my fucking life have I ever met or seen or heard anyone claim that muskets were used in WWI.
>>337321182
Does it matter? They are all about the same subject, just pick a few to watch.
>>337307870
the following would be historically accurate
>WW1 for soldiers
>wait in trench to do a suicide rush with your comrades towards mounted machine guns and you all die
WW1 for pilots
the only ways you can attack anything on the ground is by firing your guns while angling the plane towards the ground in what is known as strafing (strafing isnt going to the side and firing forward apparently who knew)
or throwing a brick from the plane
>>337321112
>Give me some good WW1 documentaries.
the best is the great war
All 26 parts are on youtube https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdEBPyoq11-7H07u7iwGM_3l-_QfxFj9B
Its easily the best and covers virtually every aspect and theater in good detail
>>337315730
It's depressing. I'm not sure what the case is in Europe, but over here, 99% of elementary teachers are retarded sluts with no marketable skills and no talent, so they went to college because they "love kids" and want to teach.
I've fucked about 4-6 stupid sluts on campus at parties, black out drunk, who have told me they were education majors. They're too fucking stupid to learn anything more complicated than algebra or "hurr 1776 we became independent and in 1861 there was a big war" so they just fuck and suck their way through 4 years to get a piece of paper that says they're qualified to teach 8 year olds that 2+2=4.
If you see a female teacher who teaches any grade lower than 9th in the USA, and she's under 35, there is a 99.999% chance she is a stupid whore who is dumber than a box of rocks and has no problem filling your child's head with nonsense and wasting 20% of class time talking about her day and complaining about how her new boyfriend dumped her so all her students can bloat her ego by telling her she's pretty and the bestest person in the whole wide world and make her feel better about the fact that she doesn't have any children of her own because she wasted the best years of her life being a worthless cumdumpster passed around from guy to guy instead of staying faithful to the one guy who actually gave a shit about her I hope you're happy Sarah you filthy fucking whore
>>337321251
Completely wrong on both points you fucking retard
>>337321018
>Most weapons were bolt action rifles though
You make that sound like you fired them with the speed of molasses. Stripper clip rifles aren't slow and combat loading a stripper clip takes literal seconds.
>>337321248
It does matter.
>>337320581
Yeah well I got it from another /v/irgin on a BF1 thread so he's the credit for it, unless he got it from another anon before him, in which case we are in the throes of a new meta meme.
>>337321260
>All 26 parts
>26
NEAT
>>337321276
Are you ok anon?
>>337321112
If you want an old one, with actual accounts from some of the men who survived, go watch Lions Led by Donkeys.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEZdlLBiA-A
>>337321415
Its worth watching all of them too
great music and narration too
>>337321150
Germans could've won the war many times due to some small problems, it's not even funny. But if we're considering no American intervention, it's pretty obvious Germans would've won. The war in the west was a child's play compared to the Eastern front, a fraction of all deaths of WW2. A defeated USSR would've meant the end of the war. The Germans problem with Britain was they didn't have explosives to put in the V2s.
>>337319590
Probably because most middle-class jobs and day-to-day activities in their lives don't exactly require any more than that. We have AP classes and specialized colleges if you're truly wanting a meaningful role in something, as >>337320340 says.
>>337321369
I didnt say that. Bolt action rifles are far superior to muskets obv, but I was just hoping the devs wouldnt go too far and implement weapons freely when they were not widely used, especially automatic rifles. If we have viable and mostly bolt actions for infantery im sold
>German steel alloy technology allowed them to shell Paris from 75 miles away
>a hundred years ago
Can you imagine how fucking spooky that must have been? Like getting shot by somebody a state over.
>>337320948
>muh brits
>muh germans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8OmxI2AYV8
Educate yourself. Ask yourself what is that "betrayal" the Nazi party was talking about.
Will we get to see one of the greatest fighter pilots ever, Manfred von Richthofen represented in the game?
>member of the aristocracy
>sent to military school at age 12
>war breaks out
>put on supply line duty as an officer, escorting barrels of apples and water
>screw this, joined the war to fight for the country
>demand to be given a more active combat role
>sent to flight school, average life expectancy is 2 weeks
>crash plane, emerge uninsured from wreckage
>start racking up kills, get to 40, surpass your now deceased mentor
>paint your plane red so the enemy knows who they're dealing with, everyone in the squad tries to copy you
>fly hundreds of missions, mentor and brother die over the course of the war
>get shot in the head, survive and return to active duty
>forced to take a month off, hate it
>become national hero, higher ranking officers say you should retire
>screw that, the soldier fighting in the trenches doesn't get to retire, why should the soldier in the sky?
>back to flying, now most senior surviving member of graduating class
>claim 80 successful engagements before finally being shot down
>have autopsy performed by enemy
>buried with full military honours and rifle salute by enemy troops
He was 25 years old when he died.
>>337318063
man i would not have a single problem if the black guy from all the promotional material actually looked some what like these guys in that at very least they seem uneasy cause war and have probably seen some shit.
And not like some sort of faggity ass male model
>>337321729
>crash plane, emerge uninsured from wreckage
At least he doesnt have to worry about his premiums going up!
Ga-hyuck!
> Euros blame Americans for shit Europeans say
Americans and Russians are more likely to casually know about gun history than Euros. The fact that DICE is saying muskets instead of lever action rifles and revolvers, which is actually the most common misconception among Americans regarding WW1, shows how retarded Europeans are.
Fuck white people
>>337321729
Certainly a truckload of red triplanes in the trailer. You'd think they'd have in there, even if only as a cameo.
>>337321729
He'll get shot down by a black guy.
>>337318379
>get fleet sunk by british
>renounce war and embrace somali cock
>>337321958
Fuck your people more.
>>337321729
>start racking up kills, get to 40, surpass your now deceased mentor
Sounds like an intro mission to any CoD.
>>337321660
I don't see why they would, the Garand was everyone's bread and butter in the old Battlefield games regardless of the rare shit added for fun.
I do look forward to using a T-Gewehr though. And I could give less of a shit if there weren't that many fielded in actual war. There were enough for everyone else to take notice and that's seems good enough for me.
>>337321589
Even if we consider no us intervention for the sake of the argument, and thats already a HUGE if, eastern front was a bleeding gigantic wound for the german army. "Winning" in russia would have required destroying both the demographic advantage and the industrial soviet power. And both were terribly difficult to do. Russia is fuck huge with too many people to send to die unti you have no ammo left and they could shit tanks faster than germany.
Now im not saying that russia could have won either without western help but a german victory seems really hard to accomplish.
Axis was insanely lucky in the beginning of the war, especially with the poker offensive in France but it could have been real bad. The following years proved that their strategy was too dangerous and risky to be rewarding in the long term.
>>337321589
>The Germans problem with Britain was they didn't have explosives to put in the V2s.
oh please
The v2s had explosives, but they were unguided and thus pretty much useless. Got the germans to waste a ton of time and material though.
The war was doomed for germany by the start of the soviet invasion.
>>337321729
>got replaced by a future nazi
>>337321251
>suicide rush
You mean a brisk march, there's no rushing in these engagements.
>>337319760
>america putting money into anything but the defense budget
old people and foreigners barely get shit
>>337307870
>all these features and modes that the devs are talking about
>community is going to find the most meatgrinder map and play on that all the time
>>337312713
>you think they aren't gonna take liberties out the ass with it and be "true" to WWI
Yeah, no.
>>337322281
You are genuinely retarded if you believe that. Go look at the fucking budget. Social security for the baby boomers holding onto their jobs until 75 is going to bankrupt us.
>>337312713
It almost is, though.
Before Battlefield 1 i never heard that niggers fought in WW1 and everybody that i ask for it said that they never think about it before and they maybe were some nigros but only in Africa
>>337321589
Actually the German's problem what that Hitler was a moron one trick pony with his Blitz tactics. After that all he did was make bad decisions when he should have let his commanders actually command. One of the biggest issues was for instance, the fact that Hitler would not let the Luftwaffe protect its bombers as they wanted to. The fucking imbecile.
But that also goes both ways, as he witnessed the horror of WW1 gas tactics himself, he also vetoed any suggestion that his forces use heavy poison gas in their engagements. So good on him for that I guess.
>>337322448
>social budget is going to bankrupt us
>not the fuckton of money we put in our military and which is more than the sum of the ten following countries budget and which doesnt serve to anything except create instability in the countries we try to help
Ok
>>337322564
What shithole do you live in?
>people here are actually taking the /int/ banter seriously
>>337322189
You'd have to take out all them supplies America threw at Russia if you're taking out the Americans.
>>337322564
Would you be surprised to learn that the India had SS brigades during WW2 or that Bayer, the same company who manufacture aspirin also manufactured shit like mustard gas for the Germans in WW1?
>>337322632
>I cant look at the budget
>so let me make an unrelated point!
>>337320562
>No, it didn't.
Yes it did.
>>337319590
>Can you recite 100 vocabulary words from memory? You pass foreign language class
To be honest I can kind of understand the importance not really put on language since English is the current lingua franca and it really depends on where you live in the US whether it behooves you or not to learn Spanish. There is also a feeling that those coming from Mexico or South America should learn English, not the other way around.
This is completely different from the Europe where you have a bunch of countries next to each other who all speak different languages.
>>337322725
It helped them a lot sure but the soviet union still had a huge industrial capacity, out of reach from the german army after stamin moved thz factories to the east.
The first year was desastrous for the union but the german strategy was inefficient against it.
>tfw gameplay will be just like the other 3 predecessing games reskinned
>tfw there will be videos of people doing le epic call of duty tier montages over a fucking WW1 game
>tfw I can almost guarantee everyone will be running around with some obscure as shit prototype smg and bolt actions will be useless and forgotten
>tfw this game will spread misinformation and make the hellish nightmare that was WW1 into complete joke
>tfw this game will take a big steamy shit all over history
>>337322725
Even then, Germany was at the end of their chain when the stalled outside of Moscow, they had overstretched their logistical capabilities pretty badly, fuck they were relying on horse wagons to move supplies up to the front more heavily than trucks on some parts of the front.
Pit that against Stalin moving most of the important factories back to the Urals and Germany still doesn't have it easy.
>>337322632
Here's a tip, you complete fucking retard, Google the goddamn budget before you open your dumb mouth. Unemployment, Labor, and Social Securities is more than double the military spending.
>>337307870
>tfw my countrymen are retarded niggers
http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=c7nRTF2SowQ&video_start=0&audio=0P47yvI7SWM&audio_start=25
>>337322936
>Can you recite 100 vocabulary words from memory? You pass foreign language class
English has such a smattering of other languages already in it that most people who speak English can do this unintentionally with little effort.
>>337322896
I did. 16% going to the defense is far too much
Thank god, and entire game worth of trench warfare would just be horrible and depressing, unless that's their goal
>>337322956
>It helped them a lot sure but the soviet union still had a huge industrial capacity
Zhukov himself said that they would not have won without lend lease
The soviets were pretty shit in the production of lots of things during the war. They put most of their capacity into tanks and planes and neglected everything else.
>>337307870
Jeff Gerstmann implied the same thing when addressing shooting from horseback.
"Highly inaccurate guns while riding a horse"
Niggah, WW1 guns were fairly accurate. You don't need reflex sights to hit your target.
>>337319614
And I think things are swinging back towards that now because people have learned from the current US wars that war is inevitably followed by nation building and guerilla warfare.
It's longer simply going into a country, smashing shit, and leaving.
>>337322612
Germany's other problem was choosing shit allies:
Italians
>expand the war to the Balkans, can't win against anyone and needs Germany to bail them out
>can't fucking hold out in Africa, needs Germany to bail them out again
>can't hold flanks for shit, lets Germany get surrounded in Stalingrad
>gets invaded, can't hold out and needs Germany to bail them out
Japan
>pisses off America so they become an active military participant instead of just a supply broker
>has a non-aggression pact with Russia so the soviets just move their eastern armies west at pivotal moments
>literally started a fight with a power it could never win against and gets slowsly crushed under the power of American ship manufacturing and superior training speed
Romania and Hungary
>did okay I guess
>still couldn't hold out against the Soviets
Finland
>whooped Russia's ass in terms of loss ratios
>still lost
>>337323129
Of course but they would have bled germany far too much at this point for allowing a victory. Shit you cant control a territory as big as russia anyway.
>>337322189
Nah, you're wrong, Stalingrad was the last defense for Russians.
> demographic advantage
What demographic advantage? The soviets sent way more untrained people to fight than the Germans.
>the long term
What long term? If no US intervention the war would've been over by 1946, Britain and France would've been independant countries, not German territory. You seem to be bent on the idea that Germans were trying to occupy territory, they were waging war. You conveniently seem to forget that the Japs could've attacked the USSR from the east.
>>337322191
Even if they did have enough explosives for the V2 rockets, which they didn't, but whatever, once they took lands in the soviet union, they could've rearmed, build more rockets, shoot more rockets, reorganized and started waging real war in the west. At which point, Britain would've collapsed.
They shot ~3000 rockets during the war, many of them filled with concrete, imagine if they launched 30000 or 100000. What if they found a way to guide them? What if they managed to build bigger ones, what if the Wehrmacht concentrated their efforts on Britain?
>>337323213
Yahtzee, when reviewing medal of honor airborne, claimed that flak towers were complete fiction and unbelievable
Why are game reviewers so stupid? Cant they google shit before saying it in the public record?
Apparently, from those that attended the press event, there was shots of "soldiers landing on a beach".
So it sounds like the Battle of Gallipoli will be in the game, pretty excited for that.
>>337314556
Sweden makes guns and are damn good at it too.
Every hear of the Carl Gustaf RPG?
I'm sure you've seen it in your meme FPSs.
If you got to play pre-ww2 hitler would pol still be mad over the cover
>>337319590
>Can you recite 100 vocabulary words from memory
Simple word memorization but also word forms and using them in sentences. After the mandatory two years it of course gets more complex and quite a few will take three or four years, but usually everyone has that knowledge atrophy later through lack of use.
>>337322612
>Hitler refused to use gas on other people
wew lad
>>337323059
That syncs up pretty well in some parts, though the trailer overall is a bit too fast (with all those quick cuts) outside of those few scenes that are slow enough to go with the music.
>>337323213
I think the implication was "it's hard to hit shit from a moving horse" which is fairly accurate, I think most cavalry units of the era dismounted before engaging in ranged combat.
>>337323329
>They shot ~3000 rockets during the war, many of them filled with concrete, imagine if they launched 30000 or 100000.
Then their is no luftwaffe
You cant just make a ton more rockets out of thing air. You have limited resources, especially in the case of germany. So do you make more rockets, or more fighters, or bombers? What do you cut to hit that 30k figure.
And this is assuming that they'd find a way to guide the rockets to make them useful - because even 30-100k unguided v2s wont do much in terms of strategic impact. Much better off building up a bomber force to actually hit factories.
>What if they managed to build bigger ones, what if the Wehrmacht concentrated their efforts on Britain?
They did, and it lead to the end of the luftwaffe. Its why Udet committed sodoku in 41.
>>337323451
Are you Swedish?
You should be ashamed of that post.
>four empires died because of WW1
Huh? I guess the Ottoman Empire, but what else?
Also, in the 1900's where did the Ottomans rule?
>>337323304
You don't need to control Russia, this is a stupid point. You need to block their supply lines and it's over for them. The Japs could've steamrolled through the east and destroyed all hope for the commies.
>>337323261
I agree with that, Japan was probably the main reason the Axis lost that war, even all of Italy's failures are better to fucking forcing the US into war.
>>337318434
reported
>>337323598
German and Russian too.
![tumblr_mls35ew5FW1r84pkto1_500[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/YJWBoR0.jpg "tumblr_mls35ew5FW1r84pkto1_500[1].jpg")
>>337323608
>The Japs could've steamrolled through the east and destroyed all hope for the commies.
Hahaha
yeah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol
>1939
The reason japs never attacked was because they learned their lesson in 1939
![Ottoman_Empire_1914_h[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/HKXffNK.png "Ottoman_Empire_1914_h[1].png")
>>337323598
Austro-Hungarian
Russian
German
>>337323608
Hitler being too cocky and Mussolini being too much of a pansy lost the axis ww2.
>>337323451
The Goose is a recoilless rifle, not an RPG.
>>337323341
>complete fiction
Fascinating how someone could reach this conclusion, when several Flak towers still exist today.
The most simple of google searches would tell you this. Just like googling "Did black people fight in WWI" would tell you all French Senegalese soldiers and the American Hellfighters, among many others.
>>337323568
yeah, the pace of the trailer pissed me off a bit, but I've still had some fun with my dubbing
http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?
video=c7nRTF2SowQ&video_start=0&audio=7uTAIpU0sa0&audio_start=1
>>337321503
Pretty sure it's pasta. I think I've seen this before.
>>337323807
>>337323762
Russian Empire died of a different, albeit a pretty similar reason.
>>337323807
But Germany and Russia are still here?
>>337323883
fucking hell
http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=c7nRTF2SowQ&video_start=0&audio=7uTAIpU0sa0&audio_start=1
>>337323598
germany + austria + russia i guess
>>337323578
There's a lot of iron in the east, anon.
>30-100k unguided v2s wont do much in terms of strategic impact
Is this a joke?
This is what made the Japanese give up. The threat of total annihilation, what if Germans started building defense on the mainland and just started shelling Britain with v2s? What would Britain do? Invade? Nope? Air attacks? How do you find where the rockets are shot from? What was Britain gonna do? What happens when Japs blockade Britain navally from the west, where is Britain gonna get oil? Occupation does not require a large force, contrary to public opinion, you need to occupy the right spots, do you think the citizens will revolt? No, it's going to be just some guriella fuckers with no weapons.
>>337323936
It might have not died without WW1
My aunt believes WW1 and the Civil War were the same thing, no matter how much someone tries to explain to her how those are different things she still confuses both.
>>337323942
Empire loss, not country dissolution
>>337323830
Nah, it was the USA that lost the Axis the war and nothing else. I mean, I can't scratch Britain as the second best fighter, but they are on a fucking island.
>>337307870
American education, ladies and gentlemen!
>>337323942
>Empire
Germany could no longer operate as an Empire after the war, and the Russian Czarist Empire was dissolved during the war because of the communist revolution.
The countries may still exist in name, but they are certainly not the empires they used to be.
>>337323598
Austria-Hungary (divided into smaller nations)
Czarist Russia (overthrown in revolution)
Germany (reorganized into the Weinmar Repbulic with no colonial holdings)
>Also, in the 1900's where did the Ottomans rule?
Middle East from Egypt to Iraq I think, with Greece and the southern Balkans.
>>337323608
>block Russian supply lines
This implies you can get behind them, something which Germany was never able to do in the war, even in their best year (1941, the initial offensive). They were never able to cut off the northern sea route with either naval forces (U-boats and surface groups) or land forces (Finnish or northern units stuck at Leningrad). They were never able to cut off the southern route and get to that sweet oil via Stalingrad. They were never going to take out the central route, because that would require them to encircle the ENTIRE Soviet army. And they most certainly weren't going to take on the Pacific route, which was a world away.
>Japanese
>beating the Russians in a land war
>1941
Even without the nonagression pact, the Japanese army was heavily tied down in fighting China, yet another huge country with lots of people. To launch an offensive to fight Russia would have been madness, especially as the Russians gained significant advances in small arms and tank design over the Japanese who had mostly stagnated at this point in favor of naval and air manufacturing.
>>337323568
m8 cavalry using guns while mounted was a thing for centuries
>>337319371
WW2 was fought by 99.99999% not Easy Company, yet they figurehead a plethora of WW2 media.
Being a rarity, or a standout, makes you more likely to be a poster child for media than a generic nobody in a sea of similar people.
Will we be able to play as hussars?
>>337321849
>i would not have a single problem
Yes you would. You'd be complaining all the same until he stopped being black, you can quit pretending.
>>337307870
Actually the war was fought mostly with bolt action rifles. But they're going to make that the designated sniper weapon and everyone else will get shotguns and SMGs. That's what most people are complaining about. I feel like Dice have taken maybe one uninformed complaints out of millions of legitimate complaints and is basically saying "see, this is how stupid everyone who hates our game is."
>>337322956
>It helped them a lot sure but the soviet union still had a huge industrial capacity
Yeah great. What with all the food they'd be able to give to those workers without British, Canadian and US aid. The U.S., UK and Canada supplied the USSR with some $130 billions worth of supplies during WWII.
Russia could only really field good light tanks with their industry, because a great deal of it was destroyed. By 1941 30% percent if Russia's medium to heavy tank product was British built and shipped.
Canada would eventually produce 1,420 Valentine Tanks, almost exclusively for delivery to the Soviet Union. By July 1942 the Red Army had 13,500 TOTAL tanks in service, with more than 16 percent of those imported, and more than half of those British.
A total of 699 Lend-Lease aircraft had been delivered to point Archangel by the time Arctic convoys switched to Murmansk in December 1941. Of these, 99 Hurricanes and 39 Tomahawks were in service with the Soviet air defense forces on January 1, 1942, out of a total of 1,470 fighters. About 15 percent of the aircraft of the 6th Fighter Air Corps defending Moscow were Tomahawks or Hurricanes.
The Russian army lost 58 percent of its vehicles in 1941 alone. To recover these losses, the Allies supplied more than 400,000 vehicles, mainly trucks, to the USSR. During the occupation, the German concern Daimler Benz set up a vehicle assembly line at a factory in Minsk (now the capital of Belarus). After the liberation of the city, the assembly of American vehicles under Lend-Lease was organized there.
In the first protocol of Lend-Lease (there were four of them), only 20 percent of deliveries were in military equipment, while 80 percent were related to industrial and food production. The Allies supplied 1900 locomotives to the USSR, while only 446 locomotives were produced in the country itself during the same period, as well as 11,000 carriages, while only a few more than 1,000 were made in the USSR.
who /adrianhelmet/ here?
>>337321024
Oh look, it's an American comments on the teaching of a country he's never been to episode.
Please do tell me more about my country.
>>337324286
that would be great
which means no, you can't
>>337318612
>While the USA was the reason the allies won both wars
Technically true. in WW1 however it had very little to do with military action. Germany was fighting a losing war, largely in part due to England being supplied by America. Germany in a last ditch effort decided to cut off the supplies knowing full well that it would cause America to enter the war for real. They surrendered shortly afterward.
>>337324286
No, but you get an equally important historical figure instead.
>>337324307
I'm at least hoping there are "across the board" class weapons in the form of bolt-actions.
Weapons that any class can choose, because I will damn sure choose a bolt action if given the choice, and I would hate if it had to be scoped.
![latest[2].png](https://i.imgur.com/Jj4DtVg.png "latest[2].png")
Wait, so they didn't use muskets in WW1?
>>337321251
>American thinks WW1 was all trenches and all happened within a 100 mile radius in central europe
What a shock, go back to school.
No slouch hat, no buy
>>337319590
>X^3=1/4
That's actually kind of a bastard to solve
>that half hour long argument I had with a friend after the BF WWI leak a couple months back and he thought WWI was fought with muskets.
Some people really are that stupid.
>>337324462
No, Tyrone. Go ask your dad for a history book.
>>337324462
They use crossbows.
>>337323965
>This is what made the Japanese give up. The threat of total annihilation,
Nope
Mass stragic bombing campaign had crippled japan and widespread starvation was just around the corner. Soviets entering sealed the deal
>what if Germans started building defense on the mainland and just started shelling Britain with v2s?
You mean like the atlantic wall? Or the massive investment in flak to protect the reich. Both things they did that didnt work
>How do you find where the rockets are shot from?
With arial recon, like what they actually did.
>What happens when Japs blockade Britain navally from the west, where is Britain gonna get oil?
Japan had neither the numbers nor the projection power to do such a thing, even if they had an inclination to (guess what, they didnt!)
The reality is the V2s were little more than a nuisance that did more to steel public resolve against the germans than break it.
If you triple, or even increase production and launches by 10 fold its still achieving jack shit - because the V2s as were did next to nothing.
The germans would have been much better off investing in strategic bombers and firebombing the shit out of britian. This could have brought england to its knees.
>>337324360
No, because fuck the Italians.
>>337324187
>>Japanese
>>beating the Russians in a land war
They didn't need to beat them, they just needed to occupy their time and resources. And this is the case, because Japs wanted to invade China, why would they do that in the first place, Japs were so fucking stupid. Why would they not help their allies, this makes no fucking sense.
>>337323567
Combatants bitch. He outright refused the use of phosgene and other asphyxiating gases on enemy soldiers.
>>337324462
nah
cartridge repeating rifles were in use for 50 years before WW1
>>337323954
I don't think any tragic war music will ever fully work with the trailer just because of the speed of the cuts, but good effort.
>>337323965
>What happens when Japs blockade Britain navally from the west
Please help I'm dying of laughter. The Japanese already had shortages of fuel (one of the key reasons why they attacked the Americans in the first place) so even ignoring a lack of infrastructure in the Atlantic that would support the IJN they wouldn't have the fuel to get there. On top of that they would have to either break through the Royal Navy in the Indian Ocean, round the horn of Africa, past Britain's Atlantic patrols, and then defeat the Home Fleet. The alternate route would be to cross the entire pacific, get past the Falklands (since America would most likely bar any Japanese ships from using the Panama canal, and I believe most of the big Japanese ships were too wide to fit the locks), defeat the Atlantic patrols and the Home fleet.
>>337324587
we are sorry
>>337324364
Its on fire and full of brown ticking time bombs
>>337324307
The war was fought mostly with days upon days of sitting in a goddamn trench taking occasional potshots.
>>337324356
>Russia could only really field good light tanks with their industry, because a great deal of it was destroyed.
iirc, most of the machinery used in soviet tank production was from the usa
A pretty astounding amount of machinery and tools were sent to the ussr, in addition to the stuff people generally think about.
>>337324546
I sat next to a girl in high school who I found out through conversation didn't know what the Soviet Union was. Wasn't sure who Hitler was, but thought he had SOMETHING to do with WWII.
People have a tendency to be pretty stupid.
>>337324668
They made that shit to WW2 for years now, how WW1 is different in being shit on than WW2?
war is hell
>>337324726
That's a myth. battles were actually settled by commanding officers having a dance off in no mans land.
>>337324659
's ok bby, just stop using nepotism to decide your officer corps.
>>337323261
>>337323608
It would help to understand why Japan attacked the US.
If you really think that Japan just attacked for a selfish land grab you must be foolish, the Japanese were no strategic idiots, they knew full well a war with the US meant certain destruction unless they racked up significant decisive victories in the opening moves of the Pacific War (which was the hope at Pearl Harbor, the only saving grace for the Americans was that many of the aircraft carriers were out of port and thus saved from destruction)
No, the real reason Japan attacked first is that the US was already at economic war with Japan in the form of oil and rubber sanctions. Because of the rapid expansions the Empire made in the previous decade, without a steady supply of war materials Japan's economy began to crumble. On the verge of economic crisis at the onset of WW2 and since Roosevelt was being a dick and not giving them any avenues for diplomatic maneuvering the last desperate move was a gamble for a decisive first strike at the US Pacific Fleet. Unfortunately due to the circumstances stated above the Japanese gambled and lost, and IJN high command knew this very early on in the Pacific War.
>>337324206
I'm not saying it wasn't, but typically it was less accurate as a combination of the shorter weapons (carbines instead of rifles) and the violent motion of the horse. Normally you would stop or dismount before firing for best results, especially as counter-fire got more accurate as being on top of a horse made you a huge fucking target.
>>337324601
The Japanese were already engaged in China when war broke out in Europe (invaded in 1937, Poland was invaded in 1939). They couldn't exactly leave, especially when it provided lots of resources to fuel the war machine. Also you're backpedaling from "The Japs could've steamrolled through the east and destroyed all hope for the commies."
>>337324871
Imagine running into a field where random goddamn spots exploded.
>>337324726
Until the higher ups got fed up that no progress was being made and ordered charges straight into machinegun fire.
>>337312713
They already have TRENCH MARINES
This game will end up as alternate history.
>>337324954
best place to hide was in a crater since shells were so inaccurate they most likely wouldn't hit the same place twice
You know why anyone would think WW1 was fought with muskets, outside of idiots who fell asleep in history class? They're confusing muskets with bayonets.
>>337324974
So just like the previous WW2 Battlefield installments where one guy is able to kill hundreds of Nazi by himself due to player agency?
>>337323768
>Overall, the Japanese lost 42 tanks in these encounters, primarily to 45mm tank and anti-tank guns, which outranged the Japanese weapons
Fuck I couldn't imagine the frustration
>>337318063
>brought bunch of black
>nobody likes them, nobody wants them
>dump them to the French
>French were like, ok we need more fodder on the front line anyway
>bunch em up with other north african slaves and colonial draft
They were murrican, but they fought under french banner, using french equipment, under the order of french command.
>>337324569
>that mortar at the very end
>that guy casually arming it, getting a safe distance away a mere seconds from firing
>>337324920
>No, the real reason Japan attacked first is that the US was already at economic war with Japan in the form of oil and rubber sanctions. Because of the rapid expansions the Empire made in the previous decade, without a steady supply of war materials Japan's economy began to crumble. On the verge of economic crisis at the onset of WW2 and since Roosevelt was being a dick and not giving them any avenues for diplomatic maneuvering the last desperate move was a gamble for a decisive first strike at the US Pacific Fleet. Unfortunately due to the circumstances stated above the Japanese gambled and lost, and IJN high command knew this very early on in the Pacific War.
RAPE OF NANKIN IS A LIE USA DID SANCTIONS FOR NO REASON
JAPAN DINDUNUFFIN DEY A GOOD BOY
>>337324607
So gassing dirty Bolsheviks wasn't an option but gassing Jewish children was?
>>337307870
>we could have a WW2 game with today's technology
>they pick fucking WW1
Literally JUST
>>337324839
that pic is from ww2
>>337324920
>the only saving grace for the Americans was that many of the aircraft carriers were out of port and thus saved from destruction
Not quite true, Japan specifically targeted the battleships, thinking retaining theirs would give them the edge. As that was where naval combat was at tactically at the time. Carriers were only really support. Necessity and the evolution of technology changed the line of thinking very quickly, however.
>>337324569
They aren't crossbows, they're slingshots.
There better be lots of comfy trench warfare
>>337318468
They call it a world war for a reason...
>>337325265
gassing children is easy when you've got them contained in an airtight shower room
>>337324187
excuse me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't the plan to attack Russia with Germany?
>>337325282
I actually watched a great video on flamethrowers. Apparently America got into the war so behind on the flamethrower meta that they disavowed the use of them. Until WW2.
>>337325309
They'll eventually start churning out the WW2 shit again soon enough
>>337324807
I think History class is the one people are most likely to fall asleep in. It's the one that probably gets cited most as "I'll never need this shit in my life." As such the average person is more likely to be ignorant of history over the other core subjects of math, science, and English/your native language class.
>>337324920
I didn't mention it in my initial poor allies post, but yeah the Japanese decision wasn't made out of stupidity (like I think the Italian ones were) but out of a percieved necessity in order to continue the existing campaigns in China. However, the option quitting the war in China was on the table, which would have ended the American embargo and also not given America Causus Belli to declare war on the Axis (though obviously they probably would have found an excuse at some point, given their secret agreements with Britain). Would they have ever realistically chosen to withdraw from China over war with the United States? Probably not, but it was always an option.
>>337325309
We have enough WW2 shit, fuck off
