What can we do to fix it?
Euthanasia
>>337292174
like kill it and start again? or just kill the franchise altogether
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVKFRxgwSWE
This. This is how.
>>337292274
Second option bud
>>337292694
why? is there really no hope left for Sonic at all? What's stopping them from making another 2d?
>>337292694
Well then, that's not really "fixing" anything now is it, bud? Your suggestion is just to give up. How about you use that smart brain of yours and actually try to come up with something constructive?
>>337293000
They did. It's called Sonic 4. Sonic being 2D, or 3D isn't the issue. The issue is that Sonic Team's devs apparently never graduated elementary school, as they all flunked out of 5th grade physics.
A loaded gun
Sonic isn't going to get any better until they put people who know what the fuck they're doing in Sonic Team. The only person who actually has half a clue about what people actually want is Aaron Webber, but he's assigned to spouting memes on Twitter.
Hire WayForward and GalaxyTrail to collaborate on it, with the support of what remains of AM2.
Make it HD and hand drawn, no overt 2.5/3D bullshit, make it the most beautiful 2D game ever made, complete with the physics and design philosophy that made the 16-bit games so successful.
Look at the early concept art for the first game and the Sonic CD intro, try and capture that early 90s cartoony feeling.
Gameplay over story, show instead of tell presentation.
>>337294274
Hmm... The Rayman Legends Approach, eh? I like it! Fund it!
>>337293413
Killing it means saving money for SEGA. Recent non-mobile Sonic games have sold like shit, because the series can absolutely not stop shooting itself in the foot.
Bringing back older Sonic's doesn't work.
Reinventing Sonic doesn't work.
Continuing with current Sonic (Boom) will not work.
The only way to save the series is to really invest in an extremely fast game that we have never seen before, surpassing everything else we have ever seen in a Sonic game. But they are guaranteed to fuck it up.
It's a fucking leech of a series, but Sega just can't remove it since it's their legacy franchise.
>>337294727
Sonic Boom is in no way "current Sonic". Stop pulling shit from your ass. By the way, the 2016 game has absolutely no excuse not to be pristine given its context.
>>337294727
>>337295658
what about Generations? I enjoyed that, I thought it was a step forward in a way
>>337292174
This. Give the series a peaceful death.
>>337295823
>physics and momentum completely fucked for Classic Sonic
nothx
>>337294727
>it's their legacy franchise
that didn't stop them from killing their other successful legacy franchises
>>337291989
>Sanic augmented reality game
>rings irl
>you have to collect them for points
>rings in the street
>faster you go, the more points you get
>>337295658
>Sonic Boom
>Sonic Boom cartoon
>Sonic Boom Fire and Ice
>Not current sonic
I'm ready for the "It's just a spin-off xD" meme
>>337295823
Generations came out 5 years ago, Anon.But you are right
>>337291989
Take an example from the comics & add more characters to it.
>>337291989
Kill the series
Revive it as a modern day cartoon franchise that parodies real life; like sonic coming to life from a game to a human cartoon earth world. None of that sonic universe character bullshit
Hire good writers to parody American culture and poke fun at it.
License the IP to indie devs that actually make good mobile games; the ones making a lot of bank
Forget making any more sonic games for consoles and handhelds
Basically kill it and revive it as the new Mickey Mouse using the original design
>>337296215
Its just a spinoff dumbass
>>337296105
And suddenly, autists around the world got fit, and the track and field records at the Special Olympics overtook those at the regular Olympics.
>>337291989
>Sonic Adventure 2 (Successful)
>Lets just go in a completely different direction
WTF NIGGERS.
>>337291989
Make good games.
>>337296215
It's just a spin-off xD
Seriously, Boom isn't even developed by Sonic Team. It has absolutely no bearing on the main series and might as well not even exist. You could say it's "current Sonic" in that it's relevant right now, but that doesn't change the fact that it's simply a side thing and nothing more.
>>337296268
Archie wouldn't have that.
>>337296284
>kill sonic and pander to furries and freemium gamers
kek
like this
>>337296993
oh....
>>337296993
good job
>>337292274
Kill it for, like, 10 years. Start completely fresh with a new audience. Sonic is tainted with bad juju and autism.
>>337291989
You got a let a vet handle that, anon. Also, I don't think he'd take kindly to getting fixed.
>>337296993
DELETE THIS
>>337296418
>>337296795
Doesn't mean every Sonic game within the last couple years has been shit. Last decent one was half a decade ago, and that was after the biggest flurry of shitty Sonic games we may ever see.
>>337296993
DONT
>>337296549
This.
Stop making spin offs and focus in on making good main series games.
>>337292517
this video makes me hard
>>337297608
No, you're missing the point completely.
Just make good games.
Stop putting qualifiers on it. Just make good games. It doesn't matter if they're main series games, spin-offs, platformers, action, racing, sports, Sonic, Knuckles, Shadow, who cares. Just make good games. That's it.
>>337291989
It was never all that amazing in the first place. It was about as well designed as Cool Spot, but with extra visual flair.
Kill it.
Maybe bring it back in ten years. It just has to stop.
Make a fast paced Sonic game that is actually challenging.
What could possibly go wrong?
Sonic Unleashed 2
>>337298337
Ew, no.
>>337298660
Then RIP Sonic! Enjoy hits like Sonic Boom, Sonic Dash, Sonic Lost World, and Sonic Generations. Unleashed was the last sonic game worth a damn, took more than 3 hours to beat, had effort and quality in it, and introduced 2 new styles of gameplay that were both solid.
>>337298337
>>337299305
Why would you want them to rehash the worst 3D Sonic game? If anything we need Colors 2.
>>337299305
Generations was fine.Dash and Runners are fun.
>>337299305
>introduced 2 new styles of gameplay that were both solid.
Werehog was boring as fuck.
>>337296530
seriously. I've been waiting over a decade for a sonic adventure 3
>>337299782
It happened in 06.
>>337292174
This.
At this point even the Genesis games are bad.
Something unprecedented.
A fully licensed AAA-endorsed gamejam competition.
Take the best three. Give them funding. Nothing else but funding. Let the chips fall where they may.
Done.
>>337299362
>colors
You mean that heavily 2D game with shitty voice acting, boring levels out the ass, and a bland gimmick? Colors is a 2D game, not a 3D game
>>337299417
Classic sonic is terrible, and the modern stages are worse than Unleashed day stages. Unleashed project overshadows Generations by far
>>337299534
Werehog is way better than classic sonic. The only good CS level was speed highway. Everything else is a fucking boring mess
>>337296993
>*pepper-sprays someone*
make his arms blue
>>337300853
>Werehog is way better than classic sonic
There's one of those black-and-white, sad music call-to-action charity adverts for people with opinions as wrong as yours.
>>337300671
>He doesn't know
Sonic Generations 2 with a Sanic skin.
>>337301104
literally the only reason I played sonic adventure 2 battle was because of the chao
>>337301069
Bruh i dont give a fuck what you think. CS in generations is a mess. Every level in the modern era is a clusterfuck. CS doesnt get a pass just for being 2D and being CS. The werehog objectively offers a more varied, challenging, fun experience than anything CS can provide
>>337301428
>We will never get a new chao garden ever
>>337301492
You can't 'objectively' offer more fun, you semi-sentient sack of sick.
The werehog is a clunky mess of limbs that would've been vaguely passable if they'd reskinned him as Knuckles and called the whole thing Sonic and Knuckles 2 for the nostalgia factor.
Otherwise, it's more pointless fuckery with a format that was perfected in Sonic Adventure 2 and discarded swiftly afterwards.
Instead of an entire game of Sonic/Shadow levels, which are fast-paced, vibrant and capture the essence of Sonic in a 3D space, we get... I dunno, stand in a corner and bash punch like you're in a furry's deviantart reimagining of God of War.
>Generations is one of the best Sonic games
When will this meme end?
>Finally start to iterate and polish a unique gameplay style people generally like after two decades of throwing random ideas and bad alternate gameplay styles at the wall hoping something sticks.
>Throw it away in favor of throwing more garbage at the walls
It can't be fixed if the people in charge don't want to fix it
>>337301589
Watch the 25th anniverisary presentation. SoA knows and is bugging SoJ about it.Also watch it because Webber is a funny man.
>>337301760
We get exactly that in the day. And in the night we get slower paced brawling and platforming stages. You throwing memes and buzzwords around doesnt make you right you know. Generations CS sucked ass and the werehog will forever provide a more fun experience. If we have to choose a gameplay that takes up the other half of the game, give me a 3D platformer with a proper jump and combat over what ever the fuck classic sonic was. God damn im still butthurt i bought generations full price. Beat it in one afternoon and the game ended on fucking planet wisp, a terrible remake of egg dragoon, and time eater. Generations is a mess
>>337302051
>SoA knows and is bugging SoJ about it.
Oh, so nothing will happen then. Good to know.
ANON'S GUIDE ON HOW TO IMPROVE SONIC
>Stick with 2D sonic, 3D sonic as it was in Generations, Unleased, and Colors were better than the other games at the time, but still not great
>Stick with HD sprites, with a 90s cartoony style to them.
>Use the physics from the genesis games, maybe revamp them a tad
>Use the parkour from lost world, and rails
Before I get shit on for parkour, let me explain. Parkour is an excellent concept for Sonic games, I feel it will help capture the element of speed, if they can do it right. Do I think the current Sonic Team could do it right? No, but it's not like they can do anything right anymore.
>>337302124
>If we have to choose a gameplay that takes up the other half of the game
Well, there's the problem really, isn't it? We shouldn't have to. We should have a solid 9+ hour 3D Sonic/Shadow-from-SA2 game with replayability and Chao Gardens out the ass by now, but we don't.
However, the Werehog is still about as dumb as Sonic's gotten, conceptually. And that's in the same game in which a squirrel who likes chocolate chip ice cream is actually the God-spirit of a planet.
>>337297507
CALL
>>337302295
>HD sprites
>Not hand-drawn sprites in the style of CD's intro
Make a Sonic game that plays like the recent Rayman games.
>>337301838
I legitimately can't think of a better mainline Sonic game in the past 20 years. It's less Generations being legitimately good and more Sonic having such a low bar.
>>337302610
Hnnng, I've never known how much I wanted this until now
>>337302354
You think its easy to assemble dozens of stages moving at the speed sonic does? Use your fucking head. Fuck. No one uses their fucking head when it comes to this.
Sonic moves fast. Very fast. Unleashed depicted speeds never before seen in sonic and is the fastest sonic yet. 2 hour games were cool in the 90s, but standards and expectations change. So to keep a game at a reasonable length of 7-10 hours, something needs to be added. While i have nothing against the shooting or treasure hunting of the old adventure games, the werehog and his stages are much better designed than those ever were. Chao gardens have not a single thing to do with sonic. nothing. zero. It was just a system sonic team was playing with and brought it over from nights on the sega saturn. Raising pets is the furthest thing away from sonic and it was done because of fads at the time.
Again, you saying something is dumb doesnt make it true. If you spent...gee i dont know, 5 minutes watching the opening cgi, the werehog makes total sense story wise.
>sonic is captured while super
>eggmans machine reverses the positive energy of the emeralds (still in sonic) and gets nega energy from the earth
>sonic is caught in this crossfire, his dna is fried, any longer in the device and he wouldve been dead
>sonic now transforms
>fuck yo thats stupid! dumb! sonic should just save animals in capsules forever, thats way more cool!
>>337302354
Arguing with Unleashed-kun is a lost cause, anon. He would probably defend the two five minute long QTE airplane stages
Let him die. Sonic is a relict of the age of gimmicky mascot characters with 'tude. There is no reason why he should get another game.
If Werehog or such returns, make the combos interesting, impactful. Make the combat not shit. Make it like a proper character action game in that manner.
Make NPCs, if you need them, that actually look like they belong in Sonic world or have it make sense. Don't just throw in bullshit that looks like it was just thrown into mix for no reason.
Proper Voice Acting.
Make sure the whole thing isn't glitchy as all fuck.
If you need to, focus on Sonic segments instead of adding other character segments for no reason, with them being unpolished. Or, if you add other characters, make them fun to play as.
Make the player feel the speed. Make us feel like we're sonic. Make it so that we don't run into random obstacles, that we have good handling over our Sonic, just like the way he is in comics, the cartoons, etc.
Make Eggman a legitimate threat and make his plans make sense.(Archie's Eggman?)
>>337303045
>we made this incredibly stupid decision, so we need to make another incredibly stupid decision in the hopes that they'll balance each other out
>>337303425
>Make Eggman a legitimate threat and make his plans make sense.(Archie's Eggman?)
No. Please, no. What works for the comic won't automatically work for the games.
>>337303376
sounds like you're taking things pretty personnelkid
grow up
stop being a child
cure autism
>>337303845
being a child is hard
>>337303045
It is in fact possible to make a decent-length modern platformer with fast-paced levels that doesn't resort to padding.
The Crash Bandicoot series was built on the idea. Two Rayman games have come out in recent years that demonstrate exactly that idea, and the 'New' Mario games aren't too shoddy in that area either.
Besides which, this isn't some third-rate indie dev that bought the license to Bubsy (because why the fuck would you do that). This is fucking SEGA, with Sonic Team, the people who are meant to know how it all works.
They knew enough to build the amazingly genius levels in Sonic Adventure 2 in the first place, then they half-populated Unleashed with them and just kinda... gave up.
FIX SONIC'S ARMS IMMEDIATELY
>>337294727
>Bringing back older Sonic's doesn't work.
Only because they're shit. If they did it properly it would work. The ports/remasters of the classics are still successful and loved by pretty much all fans.
>>337296268
Within reason. I think Archie cranks characters out too fast to give most of them the best possible design.
>new 3D sonic game, almost no story or supporting characters to be seen, put the budget into the levels you cunts
>gameplay focus put more on maintaining control of INTENSE fucking speed maintained by cheap or infinite boost (it would end up in the league of F-Zero GX in terms of pace)
>air control modified to be actually usable while boosting
>platform segments dispersed throught, but designed to "flow" with the rest of the level so that players who master said refined air control can fuck their way through them while maintaining CRAZY SPEED
>parkour system like Lost World but with more retention of momentum and an emphasis on getting on and off of walls as fast as possible
>A FUCKING OFFICIAL LEVEL EDITOR (at least on PC, jesus christ)
>have it run well for the love of god, I tried replaying Unleashed recently and I forgot how horrible fast-paced games become when locked to 30FPS
basically what everyone expected from Unleashed desu
>>337304913
At least its partly justified; Penders left them with barely any characters left, so they had to create a bunch of new ones to pad out the roster.
>>337305378
They're going too fast with it, it feels like. I liked at least a dozen of the characters since the reboot, like that chinchilla chick. But now it feels really... thin. Like I can barely taste the broth.
>>337304042
Crash? You mean 2 and 3 which are loaded with gimmick stages? Rayman and NSMB work because they use very simple graphics, move way slower, and are locked to 2D, where unleashed/modern games switch back and forth.
Just simply make a good game and be consistent with something.
Why are there so many fuckheads itt?
>>337303425
http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Skills_%28Sonic_Unleashed%29
You should be happy there was as much variation as there was in the first place. The ps2/wii versions of the werehog are inexcusable. The only defense for that version having dumbed down combat and stages was because it was a very quick afterthought with little development time. Thats why mazuri and empire city are missing, why adabat is butchered, why there are tons of night stages, and so on.
NPCs looked natural and belonged very much so in unleashed. They are 95% optional, and most have little side stories or missions attached to them and involve travelling the world to help them. Very good use of the games theme and continents.
Unleashed had the best voice acting in any Sonic game bar a few awkward lines from chip and the game wasnt that glitchy unless you were hunting for them.
Unleashed in the day is all about speed. The fact that you feel like speed was poorly communicated is very sad and almost makes it sound you didnt play the game, and instead are just listening to ign/metacritic/youtube celeb of the week. Double so when you think Unleashed Eggman isnt a threat, when in fact, his banter between him and sonic in the egg dragoon fight show a clear hate and disdain for sonic.
>>337307846
Just post a pic of yourself fucking your copy of Sonic Unleashed already
>>337308206
Would if I could, dick is to big for the hole on the disc though. If what youre saying is great games deserve a fucking, then sure why not?
>>337308367
I'm saying you're fucking slavishly devoted to a mediocre, to the point where you think anybody with any beef with it is just some IGNorant sheeple following ecelebs or whatever the fuck.
>>337296268
>Wanting Archieshit OCs
The full cast of recurring characters in the games haven't even been fully used for awhile, why would you want more?
>>337292517
/thread
Go back to 2D and work on physics
>>337308704
mediocre game*
I dunno why I'm even responding, you probably think the sky chase stages are gold too
>>337308704
I am, because its not a mediocre game and is one of the few huge budget sonic games with tons of effort. I can understand the common complaints against it, but since I enjoy an overwhelming majority of the game, it doesnt affect me. Its a solid 9.5. Would be a 10 if it werent for tornado chase act 1 (act 2 is ok), and the extra acts being garbage for the most part (surprisingly, the werehogs extra acts are better designed).
>>337291989
Sonic Unleashed without Werehog stages and give levels a classic aesthetic.
Market it as the fastest Sonic ever and force journalists to only show bullshots that look fast. Keep repeating that Sonic is returning to form and that it's going to be a classic and a traditional Sonic.
Preorders get Shadow the Edgehog skin, but call it a character not a skin.
>>337297108
This, completely.
And it wouldn't help if the devs actually put their all into it, either. Really went out of their way to give us something special. I believe it can be done.
But not right now.
>>337310131
*wouldn't hurt.
sorry whiskey
Leave it broken like it is. Freedom Planet has done what Sega cannot
I didn't get around to completing Sonic Colors, but the cheesy dialogue brings me back to the classic Sonic cartoons of my youth. It's a good game, good gameplay, but I'm not motivated to finish it.
I wish I could send Sonic Colors and a Wii back in time to when I was 8 years old and Sonic 3 & Knuckles was my favorite game. I would've fucking loved Sonic Colors so much more during that time of my life.
>>337311192
You cant finish it because its a bad game, no need to hide around it friend. Colors is a meh game, its ok to say it now
>>337298112
So the day levels in Unleashed?
>>337312354
Yeah, Sonic Lost World sucked.
>>337313841
>30fps
>fast
>unleashed
>challenging
>>337314129
learn to read
>>337292517
shit, this nigger takes too fucking long to make his point, trying to watch this now, and he's like "I'm going to describe a 3D Sonic that will encapsulate the gameplay of classics", "hey it won't be perfect, that would be.."
Shit man just get to the fucking point if that's going to be 40min of walking around then point you want to make
>>337291989
The new show is actually not bad, not great but not bad.
>>337316210
lol
>>337316431
it's a stupid video and yet for some reason it gets posted over and over again, people think it's great
The video about Sonic games losing focus and funneling all of the resources into making the 1st stage look good made more sense than this thing
>>337316761
nice response, kiddo
>>337299981
Well that's just plain wrong.
>>337317263
Care to post some of your times in day levels then? Whats your best eggmanland time? Arid sands? Rooftop run? Skyscraper scamper?
>>337317508
Not autistic enough to go to the other side of my house, probably waking up my dog in the process, just to plug my 360 in and take a picture of my times for some assburger on an anonymous imageboard.
Besides, I don't see how that would prove that the game isn't locked to 30 (THIRTY) frames per second.
>>337317865
>WAAAH MUH FRAME RATE EVEN THOUGH ITS PERFECTLY PLAYABLE
Youre garbage at the game, say no more. Have a good night pal, and dont start up shit when youre shit at the game your bashing. Very IGNish of you
>>337316830
>it's a stupid video and yet for some reason it gets posted over and over again, people think it's great
So anon why is it stupid. Let's hear your brilliant opinion.
>>337291989
Super Sonic God form, and Super Sonic God Super Sonic. Gotta get in with what is cool and steal it like always
>>337317981
>frame rate doesn't matter
you have to be 18 years of age to post on this website
Anyway, how exactly does getting a good time require more skill than in Adventure, a game with much more ATs, or Generations, a game with much more intricate level design (inb4 muh wii/ps2 version)? Legit question here.
>>337318003
because it's an hour and i don't feel like listening to some fag yammer on about game design. we both could probably design better Sonic games than Sonic Team if we were directors but we aren't
the person talking hasn't given me a reason to value his opinion, and you haven't either so shove off matey
>>337318152
Mastering of control, shortcuts, and some tricks like QSS or drifting, you know, like any other sonic? You think anyone can pick up the game and be an expert at it? Holy shit when the game was new people were crying jungle joyride and eggmanland were way to hard. Its one of the few sonic games that actually has a good difficulty curve, starting off simple, showing you a new gimmick or idea per level, and it all racks up at end game and expects you to have a solid understanding of the nuances and controls
>>337318359
Generations has the same ATs you're describing with more intricate level design, and Adventure has a shitfest of its own, talking about drifting doesn't even attempt to prove me wrong.
Complaints about eggmanland (assuming you're talking about the next-gen version) were definitely not because it was hard, mate. It was a fucking awful slog of a level. I have no clue what you're talking about with adabat, probably just /v/ having no reflexes or motor control as usual. I do definitely remember how it dropped to sub-20 FPS at multiple points on the next-gen versions though :^)
